Residents concerned as Shoebury park buried under mud mountain

Councillor Ann Chalk in front of the earth mound

Councillor Ann Chalk in front of the earth mound

First published in Southend by

RESIDENTS are concerned about a growing mud mountain in a Shoebury park.

The earth, dug out as part of the work on Southend’s cliffs, is being stored on Gunners Park off Barge Pier Road.

The pile is near several homes, including the Garrison estate, as well as the new Hinguar Primary school.

The 3.5m-high pile of dirt is enough to fill 75 swimming pools and could stay there for up to 18 months – or until a controversial flood defence is built across Shoebury Common.

Councillor Ann Chalk says she has raised fears about pollution at the nearby school and wants the situation to be monitored.

She said: “I have asked for a pollution detector to be put on the roof of the school because I am concerned about the affect the noise and dust will have on the children.

“There was no consultation on it or anything and they are just using it, it is very inconsiderate to residents and especially the children at the school.”

Work on the £3.5million cliff slip repairs is moving along swiftly and by storing the mud in Shoebury the council does not have to pay to have it dumped or stored somewhere long term.

Campaigner Ray Bailey, 69, of Parkanaur Avenue, Thorpe Bay, said he was concerned about the area flooding due to the influx of clay.

He added: “It is entirely in the wrong place. There is a school nearby and there is noise and disruption.

“The stuff that is there is impermeable, it is clay. There are some houses close by that flooded in the Sixties. I think it is the wrong place.”

Residents bemoaned the loss of Gunners Park, which provided an open space for children to play on and dogs to run free.

Jacqueline Allsworth, 50, of Ness Road, Shoebury, said her terminally ill father could no longer take his daily walks in the park and she was now forced to walk her two dogs along main roads.

She and fellow dog walker John Drummond, 23, also raised fears for the safety of children forced onto the streets by the loss of the amenity.

Mrs Allsworth said: “It’s not just unsightly, it’s taken away a lot of memories. My mum died a few years ago and I used to walk in the park with her.

“It’s an eyesore and possible danger to young kids playing there.”

Fences around the earth in Campfield Road were down, allowing free access to the unsecured site at night.

Mr Drummond, also of Ness Road, said: “It will create more kids on the street because they don’t have a park to play in.”

Southend Council has already moved 7,500 cubic metres of earth from the cliffs to Gunners Park as part of “Operation Cliff Slip Remediation”.

It estimates it will take another 25 working days to move the total 25,000 cubic metres.

A spokesman said: “We have moved about a third of the earth we plan to store in Shoebury, which doesn’t account for all the material being excavated as part of the remedial work in the cliffs at Southend. Some of it is not suitable for storage at that.”

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11:30am Fri 23 Nov 12

Russ13 says...

This is an absolute non-story!!!!

The mud is being piled up on a section of the park that was sold off and has been off limits to the public for the last 2-3 years and it's a good 200m from the kids park.

As for the flooding risk...... what flooding risk? The local soil is all clay based, whether there's a field or a pile of the stuff it'll collect the same amount of rain water.

I think this is just certain people trying to make a name for themselves ;-)

On the other hand..... the state of New Barge Pier Road is diabolical and on many occasions resembles a dirt track rather than a road. These busy bodies would be better to spend their time complaining to the council to keep this and the surrounding roads clean.
This is an absolute non-story!!!! The mud is being piled up on a section of the park that was sold off and has been off limits to the public for the last 2-3 years and it's a good 200m from the kids park. As for the flooding risk...... what flooding risk? The local soil is all clay based, whether there's a field or a pile of the stuff it'll collect the same amount of rain water. I think this is just certain people trying to make a name for themselves ;-) On the other hand..... the state of New Barge Pier Road is diabolical and on many occasions resembles a dirt track rather than a road. These busy bodies would be better to spend their time complaining to the council to keep this and the surrounding roads clean. Russ13
  • Score: 3

11:32am Fri 23 Nov 12

freecomment says...

The constant convoy of mud laden lorries has made a real mess of the local roads around New Barge Pier Road. An added hazard for drivers and cyclists leaving and accessing the Garrison estate. Be nice if the contractor cleared up sometimes or the council used a street cleaner vehicle man enough to clean the surface properly, not the standard gutter sweep vehicle I've seen on a couple of occasions. Fat chance I suppose, usual story, money first, residents way down the list, and using a park to dump excavated waste beggars belief. With SBC though, anything is permissible.
The constant convoy of mud laden lorries has made a real mess of the local roads around New Barge Pier Road. An added hazard for drivers and cyclists leaving and accessing the Garrison estate. Be nice if the contractor cleared up sometimes or the council used a street cleaner vehicle man enough to clean the surface properly, not the standard gutter sweep vehicle I've seen on a couple of occasions. Fat chance I suppose, usual story, money first, residents way down the list, and using a park to dump excavated waste beggars belief. With SBC though, anything is permissible. freecomment
  • Score: 0

11:36am Fri 23 Nov 12

freecomment says...

I stand corrected on this point if true.

"The mud is being piled up on a section of the park that was sold off and has been off limits to the public for the last 2-3 years and it's a good 200m from the kids park."

I stand by the rest of my comments.
I stand corrected on this point if true. "The mud is being piled up on a section of the park that was sold off and has been off limits to the public for the last 2-3 years and it's a good 200m from the kids park." I stand by the rest of my comments. freecomment
  • Score: 0

11:42am Fri 23 Nov 12

Russ13 says...

freecomment wrote:
I stand corrected on this point if true. "The mud is being piled up on a section of the park that was sold off and has been off limits to the public for the last 2-3 years and it's a good 200m from the kids park." I stand by the rest of my comments.
I haven't taken a close inspection but it seems to be taken to the piece of land adjacent to the School. There's a very wide road between this field and the school.

The rest of Gunners Park remains unaffected, kids can still play in the park and dog walkers can still take their dogs for a cr*p..... I mean walk, which let's face it, is all the park was used for........
[quote][p][bold]freecomment[/bold] wrote: I stand corrected on this point if true. "The mud is being piled up on a section of the park that was sold off and has been off limits to the public for the last 2-3 years and it's a good 200m from the kids park." I stand by the rest of my comments.[/p][/quote]I haven't taken a close inspection but it seems to be taken to the piece of land adjacent to the School. There's a very wide road between this field and the school. The rest of Gunners Park remains unaffected, kids can still play in the park and dog walkers can still take their dogs for a cr*p..... I mean walk, which let's face it, is all the park was used for........ Russ13
  • Score: 2

11:47am Fri 23 Nov 12

Russ13 says...

Just reading it again, Ray Bailey should probably think about what he's actually saying about the flood risk.....

Gunner's Park has always been prone to flooding, it's part of the flood plane, however flooding on a widescale is usually tide related, not because of rainfall.

As far as I'm concerned this earth/clay may even help prevent tidal flooding in the area.
Just reading it again, Ray Bailey should probably think about what he's actually saying about the flood risk..... Gunner's Park has always been prone to flooding, it's part of the flood plane, however flooding on a widescale is usually tide related, not because of rainfall. As far as I'm concerned this earth/clay may even help prevent tidal flooding in the area. Russ13
  • Score: 3

11:50am Fri 23 Nov 12

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Russ13 wrote:
freecomment wrote:
I stand corrected on this point if true. "The mud is being piled up on a section of the park that was sold off and has been off limits to the public for the last 2-3 years and it's a good 200m from the kids park." I stand by the rest of my comments.
I haven't taken a close inspection but it seems to be taken to the piece of land adjacent to the School. There's a very wide road between this field and the school.

The rest of Gunners Park remains unaffected, kids can still play in the park and dog walkers can still take their dogs for a cr*p..... I mean walk, which let's face it, is all the park was used for........
Where they have put the mud is where the brook that runs by there floods. Now it is buried that floodwater will go elsewhere, quite likely to the school grounds as the school was built right on the other part of Gunners that floods regularly.
[quote][p][bold]Russ13[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freecomment[/bold] wrote: I stand corrected on this point if true. "The mud is being piled up on a section of the park that was sold off and has been off limits to the public for the last 2-3 years and it's a good 200m from the kids park." I stand by the rest of my comments.[/p][/quote]I haven't taken a close inspection but it seems to be taken to the piece of land adjacent to the School. There's a very wide road between this field and the school. The rest of Gunners Park remains unaffected, kids can still play in the park and dog walkers can still take their dogs for a cr*p..... I mean walk, which let's face it, is all the park was used for........[/p][/quote]Where they have put the mud is where the brook that runs by there floods. Now it is buried that floodwater will go elsewhere, quite likely to the school grounds as the school was built right on the other part of Gunners that floods regularly. Shoebury_Cyclist
  • Score: 0

11:54am Fri 23 Nov 12

BD says...

it might be 200m from the kids park but it is rabout 15-20 metres from the new school. And if that mound is set to grow threefold it is (a) going to look a right mess and (b) if it is impenetrable clay, cause a flood risk to the surrounding areas - I don't understand why flood plains are still being built on when you can see the problems this casues in other parts of the country..

I though this area of the park, whcih has been fully accessible for the last couple of years was to have the new health centre built on it. Im assuming the council has permission to dump the earth there if indeed it is land that has been sold off.

So how long is it to stay there, until they force their ridiculous and pointless flood defence through (which the water will simply go round the outside of!) and then just dump it again at uncle toms...
it might be 200m from the kids park but it is rabout 15-20 metres from the new school. And if that mound is set to grow threefold it is (a) going to look a right mess and (b) if it is impenetrable clay, cause a flood risk to the surrounding areas - I don't understand why flood plains are still being built on when you can see the problems this casues in other parts of the country.. I though this area of the park, whcih has been fully accessible for the last couple of years was to have the new health centre built on it. Im assuming the council has permission to dump the earth there if indeed it is land that has been sold off. So how long is it to stay there, until they force their ridiculous and pointless flood defence through (which the water will simply go round the outside of!) and then just dump it again at uncle toms... BD
  • Score: -2

11:59am Fri 23 Nov 12

jayman says...

ah.. finally. a metaphor for what the Tory council have done to Southend over to many years in power. note its colour and consistency of the matter that has been 'dumped'.then.. apply the metaphor..
ah.. finally. a metaphor for what the Tory council have done to Southend over to many years in power. [see the picture above] note its colour and consistency of the matter that has been 'dumped'.then.. apply the metaphor.. jayman
  • Score: -2

11:59am Fri 23 Nov 12

jayman says...

ah.. finally. a metaphor for what the Tory council have done to Southend over to many years in power. note its colour and consistency of the matter that has been 'dumped'.then.. apply the metaphor..
ah.. finally. a metaphor for what the Tory council have done to Southend over to many years in power. [see the picture above] note its colour and consistency of the matter that has been 'dumped'.then.. apply the metaphor.. jayman
  • Score: 1

12:03pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Russ13 says...

BD wrote:
it might be 200m from the kids park but it is rabout 15-20 metres from the new school. And if that mound is set to grow threefold it is (a) going to look a right mess and (b) if it is impenetrable clay, cause a flood risk to the surrounding areas - I don't understand why flood plains are still being built on when you can see the problems this casues in other parts of the country.. I though this area of the park, whcih has been fully accessible for the last couple of years was to have the new health centre built on it. Im assuming the council has permission to dump the earth there if indeed it is land that has been sold off. So how long is it to stay there, until they force their ridiculous and pointless flood defence through (which the water will simply go round the outside of!) and then just dump it again at uncle toms...
If you think it's 20-30m from the school then you need to buy a new tape measure ;-)

Shoebury Cyclist.... The brook still exists, you can hear is under Campfield Road still, I would guess it has been covered by the new road for the School but it still exists.

Do you honestly believe they would be able to build a school that would be flooded that easily?

In any case, the design has taken into account the flood risk, there are no classrooms on "ground level". The building is effectively on stilts which has allowed for the staff car park.
[quote][p][bold]BD[/bold] wrote: it might be 200m from the kids park but it is rabout 15-20 metres from the new school. And if that mound is set to grow threefold it is (a) going to look a right mess and (b) if it is impenetrable clay, cause a flood risk to the surrounding areas - I don't understand why flood plains are still being built on when you can see the problems this casues in other parts of the country.. I though this area of the park, whcih has been fully accessible for the last couple of years was to have the new health centre built on it. Im assuming the council has permission to dump the earth there if indeed it is land that has been sold off. So how long is it to stay there, until they force their ridiculous and pointless flood defence through (which the water will simply go round the outside of!) and then just dump it again at uncle toms...[/p][/quote]If you think it's 20-30m from the school then you need to buy a new tape measure ;-) Shoebury Cyclist.... The brook still exists, you can hear is under Campfield Road still, I would guess it has been covered by the new road for the School but it still exists. Do you honestly believe they would be able to build a school that would be flooded that easily? In any case, the design has taken into account the flood risk, there are no classrooms on "ground level". The building is effectively on stilts which has allowed for the staff car park. Russ13
  • Score: 5

12:42pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Russ13 says...

I think this is definitely a case of people making a Mountain out of a clayhill ;-)
I think this is definitely a case of people making a Mountain out of a clayhill ;-) Russ13
  • Score: 5

2:23pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Nebs says...

I wonder if they need planning permission to use this land for the storage of spoil, and who exactly is storing it, the council or the contractor?
Either way, I drove past the cliffs this morning and they are already looking better.
I wonder if they need planning permission to use this land for the storage of spoil, and who exactly is storing it, the council or the contractor? Either way, I drove past the cliffs this morning and they are already looking better. Nebs
  • Score: 3

4:14pm Fri 23 Nov 12

firedog says...

Hurry up and build the sea wall on Shoebury common,and what is a non problem will be solved.
Hurry up and build the sea wall on Shoebury common,and what is a non problem will be solved. firedog
  • Score: -2

4:33pm Fri 23 Nov 12

marshman says...

It's a pile of mud. Not asbestos or surgical waste. The kids should be forced to play on it. Mud pies in this weather, down it on a sledge in the snow or on a sheet of cardboard when the grass grows.

Pollution monitors ffs - what is wrong with people today?
It's a pile of mud. Not asbestos or surgical waste. The kids should be forced to play on it. Mud pies in this weather, down it on a sledge in the snow or on a sheet of cardboard when the grass grows. Pollution monitors ffs - what is wrong with people today? marshman
  • Score: 3

4:58pm Fri 23 Nov 12

sanderling says...

"Residents bemoaned the loss of Gunners Park, which provided an open space for children to play on and dogs to run free". What utter nonsense! The reason children can't run free in Gunners Park is because dogs DO run free there. It ought to be renamed 'Dog Poo Park'. It's an absolutely disgusting place and it's not the council's fault. The majority of dog-walkers I see in the park are happy to see their animals run off into the grass and defecate. You can even play hopscotch around the poo on the footpaths. As for the soil and mud being stored there, I live next to the park and everything I've witnessed is being handled in a very professional and responsible manner. New Barge Pier Road is kept as clean as humanly possible by the use of a roadsweeping and washing vehicle all day long. As has been said earlier in this feed, the ground being used is ground that was 'out of bounds' anyway as it had started to be developed a few years ago for the now-put-on-hold, state-of-the art health centre. The people complaining are 'jobsworths'. The school is in no danger, what do they honestly imagine will happen? Stupid scaremongering.
"Residents bemoaned the loss of Gunners Park, which provided an open space for children to play on and dogs to run free". What utter nonsense! The reason children can't run free in Gunners Park is because dogs DO run free there. It ought to be renamed 'Dog Poo Park'. It's an absolutely disgusting place and it's not the council's fault. The majority of dog-walkers I see in the park are happy to see their animals run off into the grass and defecate. You can even play hopscotch around the poo on the footpaths. As for the soil and mud being stored there, I live next to the park and everything I've witnessed is being handled in a very professional and responsible manner. New Barge Pier Road is kept as clean as humanly possible by the use of a roadsweeping and washing vehicle all day long. As has been said earlier in this feed, the ground being used is ground that was 'out of bounds' anyway as it had started to be developed a few years ago for the now-put-on-hold, state-of-the art health centre. The people complaining are 'jobsworths'. The school is in no danger, what do they honestly imagine will happen? Stupid scaremongering. sanderling
  • Score: 5

10:09pm Fri 23 Nov 12

shoeburyboy says...

The co. sweep the roads all the time but some of the earth is going to garon park as well I wonder why
The co. sweep the roads all the time but some of the earth is going to garon park as well I wonder why shoeburyboy
  • Score: 0

6:13am Sat 24 Nov 12

Olivia2847 says...

And exactly how does it affect most of the population of Shoebox? Nah!!
And exactly how does it affect most of the population of Shoebox? Nah!! Olivia2847
  • Score: -2

9:33am Sat 24 Nov 12

Eric Whim says...

Don't panic, it's only there temporarily, it'll all be scraped off soon to form the basis for Boris Island
Don't panic, it's only there temporarily, it'll all be scraped off soon to form the basis for Boris Island Eric Whim
  • Score: 0

10:40am Sat 24 Nov 12

Olivia2847 says...

Eric Whim wrote:
Don't panic, it's only there temporarily, it'll all be scraped off soon to form the basis for Boris Island
Good - at least someone knows what they are doing .....
[quote][p][bold]Eric Whim[/bold] wrote: Don't panic, it's only there temporarily, it'll all be scraped off soon to form the basis for Boris Island[/p][/quote]Good - at least someone knows what they are doing ..... Olivia2847
  • Score: 0

1:58pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Keptquiettillnow says...

Gunners Park used to be such a special place, closed off at dusk, un spoilt, tree lined road etc
Gunners Park used to be such a special place, closed off at dusk, un spoilt, tree lined road etc Keptquiettillnow
  • Score: 5

2:39pm Sat 24 Nov 12

jayman says...

i here Barling is a prime location for storing this kind of stuff. we could have trucks of it tipping up day and night..
i here Barling is a prime location for storing this kind of stuff. we could have trucks of it tipping up day and night.. jayman
  • Score: 1

6:16pm Sat 24 Nov 12

jolllyboy says...

Clay does not absorb water. This looks unsafe to me with heavy rain.
Clay does not absorb water. This looks unsafe to me with heavy rain. jolllyboy
  • Score: 2

2:18pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Keptquiettillnow wrote:
Gunners Park used to be such a special place, closed off at dusk, un spoilt, tree lined road etc
Southend's tories are directly responsible for the destruction of Gunners Park. It was Southend's tories who granted permission to sell the land and turn it into an industrial estate. It is Southend's tories who are dumping thousands of tons of earth here. It is Southend's tories who invented the lie of needing a flood barrier so they can dispose of the cliff slip on the cheap.

When the local elections come around again, remember it was Southend's tories who did this.
[quote][p][bold]Keptquiettillnow[/bold] wrote: Gunners Park used to be such a special place, closed off at dusk, un spoilt, tree lined road etc[/p][/quote]Southend's tories are directly responsible for the destruction of Gunners Park. It was Southend's tories who granted permission to sell the land and turn it into an industrial estate. It is Southend's tories who are dumping thousands of tons of earth here. It is Southend's tories who invented the lie of needing a flood barrier so they can dispose of the cliff slip on the cheap. When the local elections come around again, remember it was Southend's tories who did this. Shoebury_Cyclist
  • Score: 4

2:28pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Displeased of Shoebury says...

Thank you Mrs Chalk for your concerns
about the mud pile within Gunners Park. Its more than the 3 monkeys who represent this ward have done. Remember two of them sit on the so called inner council. No hope of them getting involved.
Thank you Mrs Chalk for your concerns about the mud pile within Gunners Park. Its more than the 3 monkeys who represent this ward have done. Remember two of them sit on the so called inner council. No hope of them getting involved. Displeased of Shoebury
  • Score: 1

5:55pm Sun 25 Nov 12

jayman says...

extracted from Nigel Holdcrofts blog

"Southend is one of the most densely populated local authority areas outside London and we need to fight to protect and preserve the limited green belt land we have available to us. When we allow one application it will inevitably be followed by others and this important green lung will have been lost"

says the leader of Southend council, the very same council that has allowed permission to build on vast swathes of parkland that serves one of the poorest and most quarters of Southend.

how much green space should we use to store the clay deposits before the council get this silly sea defence built..
extracted from Nigel Holdcrofts blog "Southend is one of the most densely populated local authority areas outside London and we need to fight to protect and preserve the limited green belt land we have available to us. When we allow one application it will inevitably be followed by others and this important green lung will have been lost" says the leader of Southend council, the very same council that has allowed permission to build on vast swathes of parkland that serves one of the poorest and most quarters of Southend. how much green space should we use to store the clay deposits before the council get this silly sea defence built.. jayman
  • Score: 3

11:50am Mon 26 Nov 12

Russ13 says...

Just for clarity.......

Yes there is a big pile of mud/clay within the boundary of Gunner Park.

It is AT LEAST 50m away from the school

No footpaths/walkways have been obstructed by it

The security fences are now intact

Flooding in the park is tidal flooding not due to rainfall therefore this doesn't pose a flooding risk.

As for Gunners Park being an "unspoilt tree-lined road"... When? I used to play over there as a kid about 20 years ago, there wasn't even the playground that's there today!

It was and still is predominantly a doggie dumping ground and we always had be careful not to tread in dogs mess!

If anything, since the Garrison has been developed, the park has improved. New areas have been opened up to the public with paths & cycle tracks being created. Dog waste bins have been added (for the responsible owners who can be bothered to use them) and the kids play area has also improved.

The areas that have been built on were rarely used with the exception of the aforementioned "doggie" fraternity.
Just for clarity....... Yes there is a big pile of mud/clay within the boundary of Gunner Park. It is AT LEAST 50m away from the school No footpaths/walkways have been obstructed by it The security fences are now intact Flooding in the park is tidal flooding not due to rainfall therefore this doesn't pose a flooding risk. As for Gunners Park being an "unspoilt tree-lined road"... When? I used to play over there as a kid about 20 years ago, there wasn't even the playground that's there today! It was and still is predominantly a doggie dumping ground and we always had be careful not to tread in dogs mess! If anything, since the Garrison has been developed, the park has improved. New areas have been opened up to the public with paths & cycle tracks being created. Dog waste bins have been added (for the responsible owners who can be bothered to use them) and the kids play area has also improved. The areas that have been built on were rarely used with the exception of the aforementioned "doggie" fraternity. Russ13
  • Score: -1

12:26pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Russ13 wrote:
Just for clarity.......

Yes there is a big pile of mud/clay within the boundary of Gunner Park.

It is AT LEAST 50m away from the school

No footpaths/walkways have been obstructed by it

The security fences are now intact

Flooding in the park is tidal flooding not due to rainfall therefore this doesn't pose a flooding risk.

As for Gunners Park being an "unspoilt tree-lined road"... When? I used to play over there as a kid about 20 years ago, there wasn't even the playground that's there today!

It was and still is predominantly a doggie dumping ground and we always had be careful not to tread in dogs mess!

If anything, since the Garrison has been developed, the park has improved. New areas have been opened up to the public with paths & cycle tracks being created. Dog waste bins have been added (for the responsible owners who can be bothered to use them) and the kids play area has also improved.

The areas that have been built on were rarely used with the exception of the aforementioned "doggie" fraternity.
Rubbish!

The Campfield Road end of Gunners Park has always flooded after heavy rain. That section is closed off from the sea by tidal floodgates which close with high tides.

AS for the play area, you're right it wasn't there, what was there was unspoiled woods and parkland for everyone to enjoy. It was much better than the sanitised play area and the glass and dog sh!t strewn mess around the stagnant pond near the sea wall.

Here is how Barge Pier Road used to look:

http://img.photobuck
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initar1/gunners1.jpg


and here is the old goldfish pond:

http://img.photobuck
et.com/albums/v223/M
initar1/gunners2.jpg


It was so, so much better than the complete mess we have now thanks to Southend's tories.
[quote][p][bold]Russ13[/bold] wrote: Just for clarity....... Yes there is a big pile of mud/clay within the boundary of Gunner Park. It is AT LEAST 50m away from the school No footpaths/walkways have been obstructed by it The security fences are now intact Flooding in the park is tidal flooding not due to rainfall therefore this doesn't pose a flooding risk. As for Gunners Park being an "unspoilt tree-lined road"... When? I used to play over there as a kid about 20 years ago, there wasn't even the playground that's there today! It was and still is predominantly a doggie dumping ground and we always had be careful not to tread in dogs mess! If anything, since the Garrison has been developed, the park has improved. New areas have been opened up to the public with paths & cycle tracks being created. Dog waste bins have been added (for the responsible owners who can be bothered to use them) and the kids play area has also improved. The areas that have been built on were rarely used with the exception of the aforementioned "doggie" fraternity.[/p][/quote]Rubbish! The Campfield Road end of Gunners Park has always flooded after heavy rain. That section is closed off from the sea by tidal floodgates which close with high tides. AS for the play area, you're right it wasn't there, what was there was unspoiled woods and parkland for everyone to enjoy. It was much better than the sanitised play area and the glass and dog sh!t strewn mess around the stagnant pond near the sea wall. Here is how Barge Pier Road used to look: http://img.photobuck et.com/albums/v223/M initar1/gunners1.jpg and here is the old goldfish pond: http://img.photobuck et.com/albums/v223/M initar1/gunners2.jpg It was so, so much better than the complete mess we have now thanks to Southend's tories. Shoebury_Cyclist
  • Score: 1

12:33pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Oh, and that black and white photo was taken in February 2002.
Oh, and that black and white photo was taken in February 2002. Shoebury_Cyclist
  • Score: 0

2:42pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Russ13 says...

I see you're on your political high horse again Shoebury Cyclist..........

Maybe the World would be a better place for you if we went back to living in caves??? But perhaps not before the time the wheel was invented hey?

Progress happens, some like it, some don't and it's pretty obvious what camp you're in!

I see literally hundreds of people enjoying Gunners Park over the weekends in the summer months, people set up BBQs on the field near the car park, families are out there enjoying themselves, is that such a bad thing?

Before the changes that you so detest you'd get a few people allowing their dogs to crap everywhere and that was about it.
I see you're on your political high horse again Shoebury Cyclist.......... Maybe the World would be a better place for you if we went back to living in caves??? But perhaps not before the time the wheel was invented hey? Progress happens, some like it, some don't and it's pretty obvious what camp you're in! I see literally hundreds of people enjoying Gunners Park over the weekends in the summer months, people set up BBQs on the field near the car park, families are out there enjoying themselves, is that such a bad thing? Before the changes that you so detest you'd get a few people allowing their dogs to crap everywhere and that was about it. Russ13
  • Score: -1

4:48pm Mon 26 Nov 12

BD says...

heres a crazy idea - how about we improve all ofthe park instead of improving the top bit and destroying the rest... oh too late... Shame Nigel Holdcroft wasnt leader of the coucil when this was all planned and we may have kept more of the park. I do enjoy what theyve done to the top half but don't understand why improvements couldn't have been made to all of it, instead of signing it up to have industrial units / offices built on it when there are so many lying empty already.

And currently the pile of mud is less than 50 metres from the gates of the school, its directly opposite the gates at the moment and likely to get a lot bigger as theyve only deposited a 1/3 of what is planned (easy to work out as the average width of a road being 5 metres, 4 lanes plus pavements)
heres a crazy idea - how about we improve all ofthe park instead of improving the top bit and destroying the rest... oh too late... Shame Nigel Holdcroft wasnt leader of the coucil when this was all planned and we may have kept more of the park. I do enjoy what theyve done to the top half but don't understand why improvements couldn't have been made to all of it, instead of signing it up to have industrial units / offices built on it when there are so many lying empty already. And currently the pile of mud is less than 50 metres from the gates of the school, its directly opposite the gates at the moment and likely to get a lot bigger as theyve only deposited a 1/3 of what is planned (easy to work out as the average width of a road being 5 metres, 4 lanes plus pavements) BD
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7:56pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Russ13 says...

BD wrote:
heres a crazy idea - how about we improve all ofthe park instead of improving the top bit and destroying the rest... oh too late... Shame Nigel Holdcroft wasnt leader of the coucil when this was all planned and we may have kept more of the park. I do enjoy what theyve done to the top half but don't understand why improvements couldn't have been made to all of it, instead of signing it up to have industrial units / offices built on it when there are so many lying empty already.

And currently the pile of mud is less than 50 metres from the gates of the school, its directly opposite the gates at the moment and likely to get a lot bigger as theyve only deposited a 1/3 of what is planned (easy to work out as the average width of a road being 5 metres, 4 lanes plus pavements)
The main gate to the school is not adjacent to the pile of mud, the pile of mud is still 50m from the school building....

The road in between the school and the mud is extra wide as it has parking spaces in each direction AND a fenced gap down the middle. The mud pile is also several (5 at least) meters from the far side of the road.

Yes it will get bigger but it wont get any closer to the school.

As I've said before, it has no impact on people going to/from school, people who live on the Garrison (apart from the dirty roads) or anyone else using the park.

It seems you've been caught up in the hype of this complete non-story so probably you best get on with it...... and buy yourself a new tape measure ;-)
[quote][p][bold]BD[/bold] wrote: heres a crazy idea - how about we improve all ofthe park instead of improving the top bit and destroying the rest... oh too late... Shame Nigel Holdcroft wasnt leader of the coucil when this was all planned and we may have kept more of the park. I do enjoy what theyve done to the top half but don't understand why improvements couldn't have been made to all of it, instead of signing it up to have industrial units / offices built on it when there are so many lying empty already. And currently the pile of mud is less than 50 metres from the gates of the school, its directly opposite the gates at the moment and likely to get a lot bigger as theyve only deposited a 1/3 of what is planned (easy to work out as the average width of a road being 5 metres, 4 lanes plus pavements)[/p][/quote]The main gate to the school is not adjacent to the pile of mud, the pile of mud is still 50m from the school building.... The road in between the school and the mud is extra wide as it has parking spaces in each direction AND a fenced gap down the middle. The mud pile is also several (5 at least) meters from the far side of the road. Yes it will get bigger but it wont get any closer to the school. As I've said before, it has no impact on people going to/from school, people who live on the Garrison (apart from the dirty roads) or anyone else using the park. It seems you've been caught up in the hype of this complete non-story so probably you best get on with it...... and buy yourself a new tape measure ;-) Russ13
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9:55am Tue 27 Nov 12

BD says...

I drop my children off every morning at the school the pile of mud is adjacent to the main school gates.

And Im being generous here - pavement (5m) parking (5m) road (5m) central reservation (5m) ROad (5m parking (5m) pavement (5m) plus 5 for good measure 35metres...

your not confusing feet and metres are you..?!?!

Im all for improvement and making things better and I love the school and its current surroundings (despite the only reason they wanted it moving was so they could use the old school grounds for housing - something they couldnt do on gunners), my problem lies with (a) the consistent belief that its ok to build on areas that have been designated as flood plains, for whatever reason - water has to have somewhere to drain away - look whats happening across the country to see the results, its now happening two ro three times a year.., and (b) I can pretty much guarantee in a years time the mud will still be there. The farcical 'flood defence' is another excuse to dump the mud somehwhere else, unless it is built along the entire length of the seafront with all slipways closed it will not be a defence as water will simply go round it, it'll just be a big pile of mud dumped on the seafront, and once the council backs down on that theyve got the choice of paying to store it or keep it where it is.

Im not interested in what political party is complaining Im fed up with Shoebury literally being dumped on and forgotten about, the garrison and southern part of the park shows what can be done, and then it has to be ruined by building unwanted industrial buildings on the rest of the park, once parks are gone they're never going to put back...
I drop my children off every morning at the school the pile of mud is adjacent to the main school gates. And Im being generous here - pavement (5m) parking (5m) road (5m) central reservation (5m) ROad (5m parking (5m) pavement (5m) plus 5 for good measure 35metres... your not confusing feet and metres are you..?!?! Im all for improvement and making things better and I love the school and its current surroundings (despite the only reason they wanted it moving was so they could use the old school grounds for housing - something they couldnt do on gunners), my problem lies with (a) the consistent belief that its ok to build on areas that have been designated as flood plains, for whatever reason - water has to have somewhere to drain away - look whats happening across the country to see the results, its now happening two ro three times a year.., and (b) I can pretty much guarantee in a years time the mud will still be there. The farcical 'flood defence' is another excuse to dump the mud somehwhere else, unless it is built along the entire length of the seafront with all slipways closed it will not be a defence as water will simply go round it, it'll just be a big pile of mud dumped on the seafront, and once the council backs down on that theyve got the choice of paying to store it or keep it where it is. Im not interested in what political party is complaining Im fed up with Shoebury literally being dumped on and forgotten about, the garrison and southern part of the park shows what can be done, and then it has to be ruined by building unwanted industrial buildings on the rest of the park, once parks are gone they're never going to put back... BD
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10:17am Tue 27 Nov 12

sanderling says...

BD wrote:
I drop my children off every morning at the school the pile of mud is adjacent to the main school gates.

And Im being generous here - pavement (5m) parking (5m) road (5m) central reservation (5m) ROad (5m parking (5m) pavement (5m) plus 5 for good measure 35metres...

your not confusing feet and metres are you..?!?!

Im all for improvement and making things better and I love the school and its current surroundings (despite the only reason they wanted it moving was so they could use the old school grounds for housing - something they couldnt do on gunners), my problem lies with (a) the consistent belief that its ok to build on areas that have been designated as flood plains, for whatever reason - water has to have somewhere to drain away - look whats happening across the country to see the results, its now happening two ro three times a year.., and (b) I can pretty much guarantee in a years time the mud will still be there. The farcical 'flood defence' is another excuse to dump the mud somehwhere else, unless it is built along the entire length of the seafront with all slipways closed it will not be a defence as water will simply go round it, it'll just be a big pile of mud dumped on the seafront, and once the council backs down on that theyve got the choice of paying to store it or keep it where it is.

Im not interested in what political party is complaining Im fed up with Shoebury literally being dumped on and forgotten about, the garrison and southern part of the park shows what can be done, and then it has to be ruined by building unwanted industrial buildings on the rest of the park, once parks are gone they're never going to put back...
"I can pretty much guarantee in a years time the mud will still be there". In a circular I received within the past two weeks, it stated permission has been granted for the soil to kept on the Gunners Park site for TWO years while planning approval is sought for the proposed anti-flood 'bund'. Where drainage is concerned, the northern half of the park had land drains dug and laid several years ago, and a drainage dyke was dug along the western perimeter next to Ness Road in more recent years.
[quote][p][bold]BD[/bold] wrote: I drop my children off every morning at the school the pile of mud is adjacent to the main school gates. And Im being generous here - pavement (5m) parking (5m) road (5m) central reservation (5m) ROad (5m parking (5m) pavement (5m) plus 5 for good measure 35metres... your not confusing feet and metres are you..?!?! Im all for improvement and making things better and I love the school and its current surroundings (despite the only reason they wanted it moving was so they could use the old school grounds for housing - something they couldnt do on gunners), my problem lies with (a) the consistent belief that its ok to build on areas that have been designated as flood plains, for whatever reason - water has to have somewhere to drain away - look whats happening across the country to see the results, its now happening two ro three times a year.., and (b) I can pretty much guarantee in a years time the mud will still be there. The farcical 'flood defence' is another excuse to dump the mud somehwhere else, unless it is built along the entire length of the seafront with all slipways closed it will not be a defence as water will simply go round it, it'll just be a big pile of mud dumped on the seafront, and once the council backs down on that theyve got the choice of paying to store it or keep it where it is. Im not interested in what political party is complaining Im fed up with Shoebury literally being dumped on and forgotten about, the garrison and southern part of the park shows what can be done, and then it has to be ruined by building unwanted industrial buildings on the rest of the park, once parks are gone they're never going to put back...[/p][/quote]"I can pretty much guarantee in a years time the mud will still be there". In a circular I received within the past two weeks, it stated permission has been granted for the soil to kept on the Gunners Park site for TWO years while planning approval is sought for the proposed anti-flood 'bund'. Where drainage is concerned, the northern half of the park had land drains dug and laid several years ago, and a drainage dyke was dug along the western perimeter next to Ness Road in more recent years. sanderling
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9:30am Wed 28 Nov 12

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Russ13 wrote:
I see you're on your political high horse again Shoebury Cyclist..........

Maybe the World would be a better place for you if we went back to living in caves??? But perhaps not before the time the wheel was invented hey?

Progress happens, some like it, some don't and it's pretty obvious what camp you're in!

I see literally hundreds of people enjoying Gunners Park over the weekends in the summer months, people set up BBQs on the field near the car park, families are out there enjoying themselves, is that such a bad thing?

Before the changes that you so detest you'd get a few people allowing their dogs to crap everywhere and that was about it.
Doesn't matter which way you slice it, Southend's tories did this. They granted permission for Gunners park to be built on, they granted permission for what remained to be made into a giant dog litter box and stagnant drain.
[quote][p][bold]Russ13[/bold] wrote: I see you're on your political high horse again Shoebury Cyclist.......... Maybe the World would be a better place for you if we went back to living in caves??? But perhaps not before the time the wheel was invented hey? Progress happens, some like it, some don't and it's pretty obvious what camp you're in! I see literally hundreds of people enjoying Gunners Park over the weekends in the summer months, people set up BBQs on the field near the car park, families are out there enjoying themselves, is that such a bad thing? Before the changes that you so detest you'd get a few people allowing their dogs to crap everywhere and that was about it.[/p][/quote]Doesn't matter which way you slice it, Southend's tories did this. They granted permission for Gunners park to be built on, they granted permission for what remained to be made into a giant dog litter box and stagnant drain. Shoebury_Cyclist
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7:20am Sat 1 Dec 12

Russ13 says...

BD.... are you safe to drive your kids to school in the morning?

The main entrance to the school is on New Garrison Road, the pile of mud runs parallel to the old Barge Pier Road.

Having walked from Campfield Road to my home via the new walkway last night, there is WELL in excess of 50m from the school building to the "mud mountain" (I use that term flippantly).

For those that are still on the "flooding" bandwagon, considering large areas of Essex experienced flooding in the last week, would someone care to give me the details relating to the flooding we experienced in Shoebury because of the "mud mountain"?....... anyone? No that's right, there was no flooding.

This was a non-news story to start with and remains the same.

As usual, the usual suspects turn it into a political point scoring exercise..... bet you lot still believe in God too lol
BD.... are you safe to drive your kids to school in the morning? The main entrance to the school is on New Garrison Road, the pile of mud runs parallel to the old Barge Pier Road. Having walked from Campfield Road to my home via the new walkway last night, there is WELL in excess of 50m from the school building to the "mud mountain" (I use that term flippantly). For those that are still on the "flooding" bandwagon, considering large areas of Essex experienced flooding in the last week, would someone care to give me the details relating to the flooding we experienced in Shoebury because of the "mud mountain"?....... anyone? No that's right, there was no flooding. This was a non-news story to start with and remains the same. As usual, the usual suspects turn it into a political point scoring exercise..... bet you lot still believe in God too lol Russ13
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