How you can help ease late-night hell in A&E

Tough role - Bec Boyes says many A&E people visit unnecessarily

Tough role - Bec Boyes says many A&E people visit unnecessarily

First published in Echo News by

LONG waiting times, abusive patients and staff stretched to breaking point – everyone has heard the horror stories about late-night A&E trips.

So I went and spent an evening observing staff and patients to see if things really are as bad as they say.

With capacity for 15 beds in the major injuries unit, about five in the resuscitation room and four in the examination room for minor injuries and illnesses, Southend A&E treats an average of 250 patients a day.

Staff are dedicated to meeting their four-hour waiting time target to treat patients, from their entry to A&E, while still providing the best care possible.

From arriving at 7pm to leaving at 1.30am, the flowof patients bucked the usual Friday night trend and steadily eased.

Ambulances were queued up outside A&E when I arrived, but the loading bay was completely empty when I left.

The hospital has come in for criticism in recent weeks over ambulances having to wait longer than 15 minutes to transfer a patient and leave. However, it is easy to see how this could happen.

With only a limited number of beds available, it is sometimes inevitable patients will have to wait to be seen.

Dr Caroline Howard, clinical lead for A&E, said: “We will always see the people in most need first. Sometimes patients cannot wait to be treated so others have to – it’s not first come, first served.”

One of the friendly faces that patients see in A&E is receptionist Kim Allain, who has been at the hospital for 18 years.

She’s the one in the firing line if patients are not happy with their wait, or the care they receive.

She said: “We have the public shouting at us and we do get a lot of abuse.

“We have to explain to patients that we are sorry they have not been seen yet, but I do not have anything to do with the nursing staff.

“Some people get frustrated and find it hard to understand that it is not when you come in, but the priority of their illness or injury.”

Abusive patients are sadly a reality for staff in A&E and Dr Howard uses a card system to deal with problem patients.

A yellow card indicates a patient is on a warning and, should they continue to be abusive, they get upgraded to red.

A red card means a patient is banned from Southend A&E should they not require urgent care, in which case staff are ethically bound to treat them.

Dr Howard said: “When I come in on a Monday morning after a weekend, there will almost always be a red card.

Unfortunately it is a lot more common now.”

The nerve centre of the A&E is undoubtedly the patient boards in both the minor and major injury units. These boards are constantly watched over by a camera, beaming pictures back to a control room.

In charge of the boards are nurses, logging each patient in and out, noting what tests they have had, when they next need checking, what medication they are on – the list goes on.

Bec Boyes is a senior sister and has been at Southend A&E for 14 years. She thinks the number of patients visiting A&E would reduce if theywere more aware of the alternatives.

She said: “We screen people when they come in and filter the people that could just be seen by an out-of-hours GP.

“People don’t know there is also a walk-in centre at St Luke’s Health Centre, in Pantile Avenue, which is open 8am to 8pm.”

Luckily, Kevin Thompson, 54, from Leigh, found A&E quiet when he came in with a wrist injury.

He said: “I was waiting for all the Friday night drinkers, but they’re not here. Other than a bit of a wait, the care has been very good.”

Crystal White, 21, from Southend, added: “I was resisting coming because I thought it would be rammed, but I didn’t have much choice. I’ve come a few times and never waited longer than an hour.”

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10:25am Thu 13 Mar 14

Howard Cháse says...

Only have accidents and emergencies during the day.....
Only have accidents and emergencies during the day..... Howard Cháse
  • Score: 3

10:38am Thu 13 Mar 14

dvl dude says...

stop going in there to make staff pose for pictures for the newspaper whilst theyre working
stop going in there to make staff pose for pictures for the newspaper whilst theyre working dvl dude
  • Score: 6

10:52am Thu 13 Mar 14

DCLEIGH says...

Simply introduce A&E charges for self inflicted injuries caused by drunkenness, fighting, drug abuse, car racing, sports with a likelihood of injury (Rugby, Football, Racing).
Charge attackers in domestic violence, street fighting, robbery (obv. the attacker must be caught but the victim would not be charged).
The NHS was NOT founded to pay for these things. It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident.
Simply introduce A&E charges for self inflicted injuries caused by drunkenness, fighting, drug abuse, car racing, sports with a likelihood of injury (Rugby, Football, Racing). Charge attackers in domestic violence, street fighting, robbery (obv. the attacker must be caught but the victim would not be charged). The NHS was NOT founded to pay for these things. It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident. DCLEIGH
  • Score: 2

10:59am Thu 13 Mar 14

Happy Chickie says...

DCLEIGH wrote:
Simply introduce A&E charges for self inflicted injuries caused by drunkenness, fighting, drug abuse, car racing, sports with a likelihood of injury (Rugby, Football, Racing).
Charge attackers in domestic violence, street fighting, robbery (obv. the attacker must be caught but the victim would not be charged).
The NHS was NOT founded to pay for these things. It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident.
"It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident"

Really?
[quote][p][bold]DCLEIGH[/bold] wrote: Simply introduce A&E charges for self inflicted injuries caused by drunkenness, fighting, drug abuse, car racing, sports with a likelihood of injury (Rugby, Football, Racing). Charge attackers in domestic violence, street fighting, robbery (obv. the attacker must be caught but the victim would not be charged). The NHS was NOT founded to pay for these things. It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident.[/p][/quote]"It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident" Really? Happy Chickie
  • Score: 7

11:09am Thu 13 Mar 14

ThisYear says...

DCLEIGH wrote:
Simply introduce A&E charges for self inflicted injuries caused by drunkenness, fighting, drug abuse, car racing, sports with a likelihood of injury (Rugby, Football, Racing).
Charge attackers in domestic violence, street fighting, robbery (obv. the attacker must be caught but the victim would not be charged).
The NHS was NOT founded to pay for these things. It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident.
Are not most injuries self-inflicted?

You'd like another lot of departments developed to deal with the bureaucracy for deciding who should be charged and for what?
[quote][p][bold]DCLEIGH[/bold] wrote: Simply introduce A&E charges for self inflicted injuries caused by drunkenness, fighting, drug abuse, car racing, sports with a likelihood of injury (Rugby, Football, Racing). Charge attackers in domestic violence, street fighting, robbery (obv. the attacker must be caught but the victim would not be charged). The NHS was NOT founded to pay for these things. It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident.[/p][/quote]Are not most injuries self-inflicted? You'd like another lot of departments developed to deal with the bureaucracy for deciding who should be charged and for what? ThisYear
  • Score: -8

11:33am Thu 13 Mar 14

VanRes says...

One way would be to enable the triage nurse to send people for x-rays when it is deemed necessary. You sit and wait for hours to see the doctor, only to be told to go for an x-ray, then more waiting around until the doctor is free again to view the x-ray. Surely both the diagnosis and relevant treatment can then be given by the doctor on his initial meeting with the patient.
One way would be to enable the triage nurse to send people for x-rays when it is deemed necessary. You sit and wait for hours to see the doctor, only to be told to go for an x-ray, then more waiting around until the doctor is free again to view the x-ray. Surely both the diagnosis and relevant treatment can then be given by the doctor on his initial meeting with the patient. VanRes
  • Score: 9

11:49am Thu 13 Mar 14

Miss Southchurch says...

Well my advice would be, based on recent experience, unless it is a REAL emergency-use the 111 Out of Hours service. I called them recently and got an appointment within the hour. I'm sure that is much quicker than the average time in A&E, isn't it? I also helped a friend recently, and the same thing there, really quick service.

You've got to give credit where credit is due to the NHS, surely??
Well my advice would be, based on recent experience, unless it is a REAL emergency-use the 111 Out of Hours service. I called them recently and got an appointment within the hour. I'm sure that is much quicker than the average time in A&E, isn't it? I also helped a friend recently, and the same thing there, really quick service. You've got to give credit where credit is due to the NHS, surely?? Miss Southchurch
  • Score: 9

12:16pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Kim Gandy says...

DCLEIGH wrote:
Simply introduce A&E charges for self inflicted injuries caused by drunkenness, fighting, drug abuse, car racing, sports with a likelihood of injury (Rugby, Football, Racing).
Charge attackers in domestic violence, street fighting, robbery (obv. the attacker must be caught but the victim would not be charged).
The NHS was NOT founded to pay for these things. It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident.
Can't see anything wrong with that suggestion.

Why SHOULD weekend drunken yobs take up space that is needed for people who are ill through no fault of their own?

I see the usual minority of thumbs downers are at it again. Suggest anything common sense or decent around here and the nutters will oppose you.

But that's because they have nothing better to do.

SOME of us come on here between working and getting on with other stuff rather than spending all day thumbs downing the comments of people who have common sense.
[quote][p][bold]DCLEIGH[/bold] wrote: Simply introduce A&E charges for self inflicted injuries caused by drunkenness, fighting, drug abuse, car racing, sports with a likelihood of injury (Rugby, Football, Racing). Charge attackers in domestic violence, street fighting, robbery (obv. the attacker must be caught but the victim would not be charged). The NHS was NOT founded to pay for these things. It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident.[/p][/quote]Can't see anything wrong with that suggestion. Why SHOULD weekend drunken yobs take up space that is needed for people who are ill through no fault of their own? I see the usual minority of thumbs downers are at it again. Suggest anything common sense or decent around here and the nutters will oppose you. But that's because they have nothing better to do. SOME of us come on here between working and getting on with other stuff rather than spending all day thumbs downing the comments of people who have common sense. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -3

12:26pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Gaz Michaels says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
DCLEIGH wrote:
Simply introduce A&E charges for self inflicted injuries caused by drunkenness, fighting, drug abuse, car racing, sports with a likelihood of injury (Rugby, Football, Racing).
Charge attackers in domestic violence, street fighting, robbery (obv. the attacker must be caught but the victim would not be charged).
The NHS was NOT founded to pay for these things. It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident.
Can't see anything wrong with that suggestion.

Why SHOULD weekend drunken yobs take up space that is needed for people who are ill through no fault of their own?

I see the usual minority of thumbs downers are at it again. Suggest anything common sense or decent around here and the nutters will oppose you.

But that's because they have nothing better to do.

SOME of us come on here between working and getting on with other stuff rather than spending all day thumbs downing the comments of people who have common sense.
How is charging folk injured in sport common sense? Would you seriously charge the parents of an 15-year old who breaks an arm in a footy match?

And why charge people injured in sports in general? These are people who are exercising and as such are probably pre-empting treatment later down the line.

That's not common sense; it's short-sighted idiocy.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DCLEIGH[/bold] wrote: Simply introduce A&E charges for self inflicted injuries caused by drunkenness, fighting, drug abuse, car racing, sports with a likelihood of injury (Rugby, Football, Racing). Charge attackers in domestic violence, street fighting, robbery (obv. the attacker must be caught but the victim would not be charged). The NHS was NOT founded to pay for these things. It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident.[/p][/quote]Can't see anything wrong with that suggestion. Why SHOULD weekend drunken yobs take up space that is needed for people who are ill through no fault of their own? I see the usual minority of thumbs downers are at it again. Suggest anything common sense or decent around here and the nutters will oppose you. But that's because they have nothing better to do. SOME of us come on here between working and getting on with other stuff rather than spending all day thumbs downing the comments of people who have common sense.[/p][/quote]How is charging folk injured in sport common sense? Would you seriously charge the parents of an 15-year old who breaks an arm in a footy match? And why charge people injured in sports in general? These are people who are exercising and as such are probably pre-empting treatment later down the line. That's not common sense; it's short-sighted idiocy. Gaz Michaels
  • Score: 7

12:43pm Thu 13 Mar 14

AuldGit says...

So you wouldn't blame the idiot who has broken nearly every bone in his body in a long series of hunting accidents over the last 30 years, and evidently has a season ticket to the orthopaedic surgeon, regularly congratulated for being remarkably fit for his age ... but he isn't responsible for his own frequent injuries despite indulging in a dangerous sport on the back of an animal he evidently can't control properly.
If you're involved in a traffic accident, I believe you are charged for the ambulance. But not for sports accidents.
So you wouldn't blame the idiot who has broken nearly every bone in his body in a long series of hunting accidents over the last 30 years, and evidently has a season ticket to the orthopaedic surgeon, regularly congratulated for being remarkably fit for his age ... but he isn't responsible for his own frequent injuries despite indulging in a dangerous sport on the back of an animal he evidently can't control properly. If you're involved in a traffic accident, I believe you are charged for the ambulance. But not for sports accidents. AuldGit
  • Score: 0

12:48pm Thu 13 Mar 14

pembury53 says...

stick a couple of gorillas on the door and smack anyone who gets out of line.... too many goby idiots after a few beers in A&E
stick a couple of gorillas on the door and smack anyone who gets out of line.... too many goby idiots after a few beers in A&E pembury53
  • Score: 18

12:53pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Kim Gandy says...

Happy Chickie wrote:
DCLEIGH wrote:
Simply introduce A&E charges for self inflicted injuries caused by drunkenness, fighting, drug abuse, car racing, sports with a likelihood of injury (Rugby, Football, Racing).
Charge attackers in domestic violence, street fighting, robbery (obv. the attacker must be caught but the victim would not be charged).
The NHS was NOT founded to pay for these things. It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident.
"It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident"

Really?
Here is a history lesson for you.Because I know how hard it is for you to present a reasoned debate as you never research anything. You'd far rather throw insults around than actually make a comment that is of any substance or that is based on experience or knowledge.

I'll keep it simple because I know how hard it is for you to assimilate FACTS.

The NHS was set up under a Labour government at a time when Labour was a party that supported the rights and freedoms of the working man. It was meant to be totally "free at the point of delivery" at the beginning but over years, various charges have been introduced including prescription charges, which are free in Scotland but paid for by the taxpayer in England.

The English taxpayer also supports free prescriptions in Scotland under the Barnett Formula, which also supports Scottish social care and even student fees. If the Scots get their independence, I totally expect us as English taxpayers, to stop supporting this - which should have ended years ago anyway, according to the man who designed it.

The NHS is now oversubscribed and groaning at the seams due to mass uncontrolled immigration and health tourism - that is, people coming from EU for free treatment then returning home without paying a penny.

Even people from non EU countries do this - some even manage to get themselves appointments from abroad. I know. I've done my research. And there is a lot more that you don't know either.

Nye Bevan, who was Minister for Health in the post war government was the original instigator of the idea of a NHS. As I said, this was at a time when Labour weren't a bunch of champagne socialists and were genuinely the party of the working man.

Political correctness hadn't been invented at that time either.

I hope that helps you to understand, before you make yourself look any sillier.

I notice all you ever do here is carp and criticise others but you never offer any PRACTICAL solutions or opinions to anything based on real experience and in depth knowledge. You don't know me personally for example, yet you referred to me as "demented" the other day. If you'd ever worked with dementia as I have, you'd understand just how disgusting a comment that is.

Have you ever stood for, or held public office? Or stood for parliament? Campaigned on anything? Stuck your neck above the parapet? Or even voted in an election? Have you been involved in legitimate protests? Attended public meetings, lobbied your MP, or discussed anything with a councillor, or got involved at any level? Have you ever had your personal life and character ripped to shreds by lunatic leftie liars? Had people writing disgusting things about you and false accusations?

I have done all of the above.

When you do all or any of these things, you are open to abuse, slander, libel and lies and rumours circulated by trolls, then regurgitated by people like yourself who would rather mouth off than actually ASK the person concerned if any of it is true. Or even bother to look at a person in an unobjective and totally unbiased way.

In other words, you pay a large price for your "freedom of speech", such as it is these days.

When you have even bothered to make your comments under your own name instead of hiding behind a daft pseudonym, let alone done any of the things I have done, as described above - and can offer some reasoned debate based on any of these things, your opinions will have more credibility.

Until then, there are plenty of places to troll - Farcebook and Tw@tter included... you'll be in good company there. Because merely rehashing things you've heard others say and basing your dislike of someone or something without prior knowledge of it, is the best way of embarrassing yourself.
[quote][p][bold]Happy Chickie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DCLEIGH[/bold] wrote: Simply introduce A&E charges for self inflicted injuries caused by drunkenness, fighting, drug abuse, car racing, sports with a likelihood of injury (Rugby, Football, Racing). Charge attackers in domestic violence, street fighting, robbery (obv. the attacker must be caught but the victim would not be charged). The NHS was NOT founded to pay for these things. It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident.[/p][/quote]"It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident" Really?[/p][/quote]Here is a history lesson for you.Because I know how hard it is for you to present a reasoned debate as you never research anything. You'd far rather throw insults around than actually make a comment that is of any substance or that is based on experience or knowledge. I'll keep it simple because I know how hard it is for you to assimilate FACTS. The NHS was set up under a Labour government at a time when Labour was a party that supported the rights and freedoms of the working man. It was meant to be totally "free at the point of delivery" at the beginning but over years, various charges have been introduced including prescription charges, which are free in Scotland but paid for by the taxpayer in England. The English taxpayer also supports free prescriptions in Scotland under the Barnett Formula, which also supports Scottish social care and even student fees. If the Scots get their independence, I totally expect us as English taxpayers, to stop supporting this - which should have ended years ago anyway, according to the man who designed it. The NHS is now oversubscribed and groaning at the seams due to mass uncontrolled immigration and health tourism - that is, people coming from EU for free treatment then returning home without paying a penny. Even people from non EU countries do this - some even manage to get themselves appointments from abroad. I know. I've done my research. And there is a lot more that you don't know either. Nye Bevan, who was Minister for Health in the post war government was the original instigator of the idea of a NHS. As I said, this was at a time when Labour weren't a bunch of champagne socialists and were genuinely the party of the working man. Political correctness hadn't been invented at that time either. I hope that helps you to understand, before you make yourself look any sillier. I notice all you ever do here is carp and criticise others but you never offer any PRACTICAL solutions or opinions to anything based on real experience and in depth knowledge. You don't know me personally for example, yet you referred to me as "demented" the other day. If you'd ever worked with dementia as I have, you'd understand just how disgusting a comment that is. Have you ever stood for, or held public office? Or stood for parliament? Campaigned on anything? Stuck your neck above the parapet? Or even voted in an election? Have you been involved in legitimate protests? Attended public meetings, lobbied your MP, or discussed anything with a councillor, or got involved at any level? Have you ever had your personal life and character ripped to shreds by lunatic leftie liars? Had people writing disgusting things about you and false accusations? I have done all of the above. When you do all or any of these things, you are open to abuse, slander, libel and lies and rumours circulated by trolls, then regurgitated by people like yourself who would rather mouth off than actually ASK the person concerned if any of it is true. Or even bother to look at a person in an unobjective and totally unbiased way. In other words, you pay a large price for your "freedom of speech", such as it is these days. When you have even bothered to make your comments under your own name instead of hiding behind a daft pseudonym, let alone done any of the things I have done, as described above - and can offer some reasoned debate based on any of these things, your opinions will have more credibility. Until then, there are plenty of places to troll - Farcebook and Tw@tter included... you'll be in good company there. Because merely rehashing things you've heard others say and basing your dislike of someone or something without prior knowledge of it, is the best way of embarrassing yourself. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -6

1:00pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Kim Gandy says...

I cannot be bothered to read the usual diatribe from the resident slimeballs.

I've had my say. When anybody has anything sensible to contribute, instead of slagging off people who make valid comments, I'll read it.

Until then.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I cannot be bothered to read the usual diatribe from the resident slimeballs. I've had my say. When anybody has anything sensible to contribute, instead of slagging off people who make valid comments, I'll read it. Until then.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz Kim Gandy
  • Score: -7

1:03pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Gaz Michaels says...

Partyboy2 wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
DCLEIGH wrote:
Simply introduce A&E charges for self inflicted injuries caused by drunkenness, fighting, drug abuse, car racing, sports with a likelihood of injury (Rugby, Football, Racing).
Charge attackers in domestic violence, street fighting, robbery (obv. the attacker must be caught but the victim would not be charged).
The NHS was NOT founded to pay for these things. It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident.
Are not most injuries self-inflicted?

You'd like another lot of departments developed to deal with the bureaucracy for deciding who should be charged and for what?
most injuries are self inflicted.

Tell me, which planet are you inhabiting this week?

So people who are injured as a result of others' carelessness have inflicted it on themselves then. People who have had falls or been injured at work. Or victims of domestic violence? That's their fault some brute whacked them is it?

There are people with sudden illnesses, rogue viruses, everything to life threatening diseases - all self inflicted I suppose.

Once again you are talking utter utter drivel.

You really are the most amazingly thick moron I've ever encountered and believe me I've encountered a few.

Except I've never encountered you for real because you hide behind your keyboard.

You take being stupid to dizzying new heights.

Why don't you just shut up and jog on. There are people here who don't like me (even though they've never met me) but there are also people here that secretly agree with me although they aren't brave enough to admit it.

You however, are an exception. Most people on here think you're as thick as a brick judging by the response you get.

Try doing some research on the subjects you opine on and try engaging your brain before writing this utter utter nonsense.
Why would someone walk into A&E and say they broke their leg playing football, only to be charged when they could quite easily say they tripped over a pot hole or some other excuse?

It would never work.
Exactly. You end up with medical staff being given responsibility for trying to ascertain whether a charge should be made or not. People will then lie to avoid the charge. Then people will be wrongly or injustly charged because they aren't believed, so you end up with an appeals process - thus the role of the A&E Truth Czar is created at more expense to the taxpayer.

Unworkable bureaucracy.
[quote][p][bold]Partyboy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DCLEIGH[/bold] wrote: Simply introduce A&E charges for self inflicted injuries caused by drunkenness, fighting, drug abuse, car racing, sports with a likelihood of injury (Rugby, Football, Racing). Charge attackers in domestic violence, street fighting, robbery (obv. the attacker must be caught but the victim would not be charged). The NHS was NOT founded to pay for these things. It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident.[/p][/quote]Are not most injuries self-inflicted? You'd like another lot of departments developed to deal with the bureaucracy for deciding who should be charged and for what?[/p][/quote]most injuries are self inflicted. Tell me, which planet are you inhabiting this week? So people who are injured as a result of others' carelessness have inflicted it on themselves then. People who have had falls or been injured at work. Or victims of domestic violence? That's their fault some brute whacked them is it? There are people with sudden illnesses, rogue viruses, everything to life threatening diseases - all self inflicted I suppose. Once again you are talking utter utter drivel. You really are the most amazingly thick moron I've ever encountered and believe me I've encountered a few. Except I've never encountered you for real because you hide behind your keyboard. You take being stupid to dizzying new heights. Why don't you just shut up and jog on. There are people here who don't like me (even though they've never met me) but there are also people here that secretly agree with me although they aren't brave enough to admit it. You however, are an exception. Most people on here think you're as thick as a brick judging by the response you get. Try doing some research on the subjects you opine on and try engaging your brain before writing this utter utter nonsense.[/p][/quote]Why would someone walk into A&E and say they broke their leg playing football, only to be charged when they could quite easily say they tripped over a pot hole or some other excuse? It would never work.[/p][/quote]Exactly. You end up with medical staff being given responsibility for trying to ascertain whether a charge should be made or not. People will then lie to avoid the charge. Then people will be wrongly or injustly charged because they aren't believed, so you end up with an appeals process - thus the role of the A&E Truth Czar is created at more expense to the taxpayer. Unworkable bureaucracy. Gaz Michaels
  • Score: 6

1:10pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Gaz Michaels says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
I cannot be bothered to read the usual diatribe from the resident slimeballs.

I've had my say. When anybody has anything sensible to contribute, instead of slagging off people who make valid comments, I'll read it.

Until then.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Wow, Kim's posts make for lively if somewhat predictable 'Angry of Essex'-type reading on here, but some of her comments today above seem to me to be in a class of their own:

"You really are the most amazingly thick moron I've ever encountered"
"You take being stupid to dizzying new heights."

Then she has the cheek to remark about people having "anything sensible to contribute, instead of slagging off people who make valid comments?"

Pot and kettle anyone? :)
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: I cannot be bothered to read the usual diatribe from the resident slimeballs. I've had my say. When anybody has anything sensible to contribute, instead of slagging off people who make valid comments, I'll read it. Until then.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz[/p][/quote]Wow, Kim's posts make for lively if somewhat predictable 'Angry of Essex'-type reading on here, but some of her comments today above seem to me to be in a class of their own: "You really are the most amazingly thick moron I've ever encountered" "You take being stupid to dizzying new heights." Then she has the cheek to remark about people having "anything sensible to contribute, instead of slagging off people who make valid comments?" Pot and kettle anyone? :) Gaz Michaels
  • Score: 1

1:44pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Chris Flunk says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Happy Chickie wrote:
DCLEIGH wrote:
Simply introduce A&E charges for self inflicted injuries caused by drunkenness, fighting, drug abuse, car racing, sports with a likelihood of injury (Rugby, Football, Racing).
Charge attackers in domestic violence, street fighting, robbery (obv. the attacker must be caught but the victim would not be charged).
The NHS was NOT founded to pay for these things. It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident.
"It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident"

Really?
Here is a history lesson for you.Because I know how hard it is for you to present a reasoned debate as you never research anything. You'd far rather throw insults around than actually make a comment that is of any substance or that is based on experience or knowledge.

I'll keep it simple because I know how hard it is for you to assimilate FACTS.

The NHS was set up under a Labour government at a time when Labour was a party that supported the rights and freedoms of the working man. It was meant to be totally "free at the point of delivery" at the beginning but over years, various charges have been introduced including prescription charges, which are free in Scotland but paid for by the taxpayer in England.

The English taxpayer also supports free prescriptions in Scotland under the Barnett Formula, which also supports Scottish social care and even student fees. If the Scots get their independence, I totally expect us as English taxpayers, to stop supporting this - which should have ended years ago anyway, according to the man who designed it.

The NHS is now oversubscribed and groaning at the seams due to mass uncontrolled immigration and health tourism - that is, people coming from EU for free treatment then returning home without paying a penny.

Even people from non EU countries do this - some even manage to get themselves appointments from abroad. I know. I've done my research. And there is a lot more that you don't know either.

Nye Bevan, who was Minister for Health in the post war government was the original instigator of the idea of a NHS. As I said, this was at a time when Labour weren't a bunch of champagne socialists and were genuinely the party of the working man.

Political correctness hadn't been invented at that time either.

I hope that helps you to understand, before you make yourself look any sillier.

I notice all you ever do here is carp and criticise others but you never offer any PRACTICAL solutions or opinions to anything based on real experience and in depth knowledge. You don't know me personally for example, yet you referred to me as "demented" the other day. If you'd ever worked with dementia as I have, you'd understand just how disgusting a comment that is.

Have you ever stood for, or held public office? Or stood for parliament? Campaigned on anything? Stuck your neck above the parapet? Or even voted in an election? Have you been involved in legitimate protests? Attended public meetings, lobbied your MP, or discussed anything with a councillor, or got involved at any level? Have you ever had your personal life and character ripped to shreds by lunatic leftie liars? Had people writing disgusting things about you and false accusations?

I have done all of the above.

When you do all or any of these things, you are open to abuse, slander, libel and lies and rumours circulated by trolls, then regurgitated by people like yourself who would rather mouth off than actually ASK the person concerned if any of it is true. Or even bother to look at a person in an unobjective and totally unbiased way.

In other words, you pay a large price for your "freedom of speech", such as it is these days.

When you have even bothered to make your comments under your own name instead of hiding behind a daft pseudonym, let alone done any of the things I have done, as described above - and can offer some reasoned debate based on any of these things, your opinions will have more credibility.

Until then, there are plenty of places to troll - Farcebook and Tw@tter included... you'll be in good company there. Because merely rehashing things you've heard others say and basing your dislike of someone or something without prior knowledge of it, is the best way of embarrassing yourself.
You missed the most important of the founding principles of the NHS:

That it meet the needs of everyone.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Happy Chickie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DCLEIGH[/bold] wrote: Simply introduce A&E charges for self inflicted injuries caused by drunkenness, fighting, drug abuse, car racing, sports with a likelihood of injury (Rugby, Football, Racing). Charge attackers in domestic violence, street fighting, robbery (obv. the attacker must be caught but the victim would not be charged). The NHS was NOT founded to pay for these things. It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident.[/p][/quote]"It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident" Really?[/p][/quote]Here is a history lesson for you.Because I know how hard it is for you to present a reasoned debate as you never research anything. You'd far rather throw insults around than actually make a comment that is of any substance or that is based on experience or knowledge. I'll keep it simple because I know how hard it is for you to assimilate FACTS. The NHS was set up under a Labour government at a time when Labour was a party that supported the rights and freedoms of the working man. It was meant to be totally "free at the point of delivery" at the beginning but over years, various charges have been introduced including prescription charges, which are free in Scotland but paid for by the taxpayer in England. The English taxpayer also supports free prescriptions in Scotland under the Barnett Formula, which also supports Scottish social care and even student fees. If the Scots get their independence, I totally expect us as English taxpayers, to stop supporting this - which should have ended years ago anyway, according to the man who designed it. The NHS is now oversubscribed and groaning at the seams due to mass uncontrolled immigration and health tourism - that is, people coming from EU for free treatment then returning home without paying a penny. Even people from non EU countries do this - some even manage to get themselves appointments from abroad. I know. I've done my research. And there is a lot more that you don't know either. Nye Bevan, who was Minister for Health in the post war government was the original instigator of the idea of a NHS. As I said, this was at a time when Labour weren't a bunch of champagne socialists and were genuinely the party of the working man. Political correctness hadn't been invented at that time either. I hope that helps you to understand, before you make yourself look any sillier. I notice all you ever do here is carp and criticise others but you never offer any PRACTICAL solutions or opinions to anything based on real experience and in depth knowledge. You don't know me personally for example, yet you referred to me as "demented" the other day. If you'd ever worked with dementia as I have, you'd understand just how disgusting a comment that is. Have you ever stood for, or held public office? Or stood for parliament? Campaigned on anything? Stuck your neck above the parapet? Or even voted in an election? Have you been involved in legitimate protests? Attended public meetings, lobbied your MP, or discussed anything with a councillor, or got involved at any level? Have you ever had your personal life and character ripped to shreds by lunatic leftie liars? Had people writing disgusting things about you and false accusations? I have done all of the above. When you do all or any of these things, you are open to abuse, slander, libel and lies and rumours circulated by trolls, then regurgitated by people like yourself who would rather mouth off than actually ASK the person concerned if any of it is true. Or even bother to look at a person in an unobjective and totally unbiased way. In other words, you pay a large price for your "freedom of speech", such as it is these days. When you have even bothered to make your comments under your own name instead of hiding behind a daft pseudonym, let alone done any of the things I have done, as described above - and can offer some reasoned debate based on any of these things, your opinions will have more credibility. Until then, there are plenty of places to troll - Farcebook and Tw@tter included... you'll be in good company there. Because merely rehashing things you've heard others say and basing your dislike of someone or something without prior knowledge of it, is the best way of embarrassing yourself.[/p][/quote]You missed the most important of the founding principles of the NHS: That it meet the needs of everyone. Chris Flunk
  • Score: 14

2:01pm Thu 13 Mar 14

BenfleetBarrel says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Happy Chickie wrote:
DCLEIGH wrote:
Simply introduce A&E charges for self inflicted injuries caused by drunkenness, fighting, drug abuse, car racing, sports with a likelihood of injury (Rugby, Football, Racing).
Charge attackers in domestic violence, street fighting, robbery (obv. the attacker must be caught but the victim would not be charged).
The NHS was NOT founded to pay for these things. It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident.
"It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident"

Really?
Here is a history lesson for you.Because I know how hard it is for you to present a reasoned debate as you never research anything. You'd far rather throw insults around than actually make a comment that is of any substance or that is based on experience or knowledge.

I'll keep it simple because I know how hard it is for you to assimilate FACTS.

The NHS was set up under a Labour government at a time when Labour was a party that supported the rights and freedoms of the working man. It was meant to be totally "free at the point of delivery" at the beginning but over years, various charges have been introduced including prescription charges, which are free in Scotland but paid for by the taxpayer in England.

The English taxpayer also supports free prescriptions in Scotland under the Barnett Formula, which also supports Scottish social care and even student fees. If the Scots get their independence, I totally expect us as English taxpayers, to stop supporting this - which should have ended years ago anyway, according to the man who designed it.

The NHS is now oversubscribed and groaning at the seams due to mass uncontrolled immigration and health tourism - that is, people coming from EU for free treatment then returning home without paying a penny.

Even people from non EU countries do this - some even manage to get themselves appointments from abroad. I know. I've done my research. And there is a lot more that you don't know either.

Nye Bevan, who was Minister for Health in the post war government was the original instigator of the idea of a NHS. As I said, this was at a time when Labour weren't a bunch of champagne socialists and were genuinely the party of the working man.

Political correctness hadn't been invented at that time either.

I hope that helps you to understand, before you make yourself look any sillier.

I notice all you ever do here is carp and criticise others but you never offer any PRACTICAL solutions or opinions to anything based on real experience and in depth knowledge. You don't know me personally for example, yet you referred to me as "demented" the other day. If you'd ever worked with dementia as I have, you'd understand just how disgusting a comment that is.

Have you ever stood for, or held public office? Or stood for parliament? Campaigned on anything? Stuck your neck above the parapet? Or even voted in an election? Have you been involved in legitimate protests? Attended public meetings, lobbied your MP, or discussed anything with a councillor, or got involved at any level? Have you ever had your personal life and character ripped to shreds by lunatic leftie liars? Had people writing disgusting things about you and false accusations?

I have done all of the above.

When you do all or any of these things, you are open to abuse, slander, libel and lies and rumours circulated by trolls, then regurgitated by people like yourself who would rather mouth off than actually ASK the person concerned if any of it is true. Or even bother to look at a person in an unobjective and totally unbiased way.

In other words, you pay a large price for your "freedom of speech", such as it is these days.

When you have even bothered to make your comments under your own name instead of hiding behind a daft pseudonym, let alone done any of the things I have done, as described above - and can offer some reasoned debate based on any of these things, your opinions will have more credibility.

Until then, there are plenty of places to troll - Farcebook and Tw@tter included... you'll be in good company there. Because merely rehashing things you've heard others say and basing your dislike of someone or something without prior knowledge of it, is the best way of embarrassing yourself.
TL : DR
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Happy Chickie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DCLEIGH[/bold] wrote: Simply introduce A&E charges for self inflicted injuries caused by drunkenness, fighting, drug abuse, car racing, sports with a likelihood of injury (Rugby, Football, Racing). Charge attackers in domestic violence, street fighting, robbery (obv. the attacker must be caught but the victim would not be charged). The NHS was NOT founded to pay for these things. It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident.[/p][/quote]"It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident" Really?[/p][/quote]Here is a history lesson for you.Because I know how hard it is for you to present a reasoned debate as you never research anything. You'd far rather throw insults around than actually make a comment that is of any substance or that is based on experience or knowledge. I'll keep it simple because I know how hard it is for you to assimilate FACTS. The NHS was set up under a Labour government at a time when Labour was a party that supported the rights and freedoms of the working man. It was meant to be totally "free at the point of delivery" at the beginning but over years, various charges have been introduced including prescription charges, which are free in Scotland but paid for by the taxpayer in England. The English taxpayer also supports free prescriptions in Scotland under the Barnett Formula, which also supports Scottish social care and even student fees. If the Scots get their independence, I totally expect us as English taxpayers, to stop supporting this - which should have ended years ago anyway, according to the man who designed it. The NHS is now oversubscribed and groaning at the seams due to mass uncontrolled immigration and health tourism - that is, people coming from EU for free treatment then returning home without paying a penny. Even people from non EU countries do this - some even manage to get themselves appointments from abroad. I know. I've done my research. And there is a lot more that you don't know either. Nye Bevan, who was Minister for Health in the post war government was the original instigator of the idea of a NHS. As I said, this was at a time when Labour weren't a bunch of champagne socialists and were genuinely the party of the working man. Political correctness hadn't been invented at that time either. I hope that helps you to understand, before you make yourself look any sillier. I notice all you ever do here is carp and criticise others but you never offer any PRACTICAL solutions or opinions to anything based on real experience and in depth knowledge. You don't know me personally for example, yet you referred to me as "demented" the other day. If you'd ever worked with dementia as I have, you'd understand just how disgusting a comment that is. Have you ever stood for, or held public office? Or stood for parliament? Campaigned on anything? Stuck your neck above the parapet? Or even voted in an election? Have you been involved in legitimate protests? Attended public meetings, lobbied your MP, or discussed anything with a councillor, or got involved at any level? Have you ever had your personal life and character ripped to shreds by lunatic leftie liars? Had people writing disgusting things about you and false accusations? I have done all of the above. When you do all or any of these things, you are open to abuse, slander, libel and lies and rumours circulated by trolls, then regurgitated by people like yourself who would rather mouth off than actually ASK the person concerned if any of it is true. Or even bother to look at a person in an unobjective and totally unbiased way. In other words, you pay a large price for your "freedom of speech", such as it is these days. When you have even bothered to make your comments under your own name instead of hiding behind a daft pseudonym, let alone done any of the things I have done, as described above - and can offer some reasoned debate based on any of these things, your opinions will have more credibility. Until then, there are plenty of places to troll - Farcebook and Tw@tter included... you'll be in good company there. Because merely rehashing things you've heard others say and basing your dislike of someone or something without prior knowledge of it, is the best way of embarrassing yourself.[/p][/quote]TL : DR BenfleetBarrel
  • Score: 4

2:04pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Nebs says...

Yellow cards and red cards? If someone is abusive call the police. There are loads of signs saying abuse of staff will not be tolerated, seems like they are a waste of time. If there are so many troublemakers then have them nicked, get the story in the papers, word will spread, and the problem will reduce. At the moment there is no sanction so people can do as they like.
Yellow cards and red cards? If someone is abusive call the police. There are loads of signs saying abuse of staff will not be tolerated, seems like they are a waste of time. If there are so many troublemakers then have them nicked, get the story in the papers, word will spread, and the problem will reduce. At the moment there is no sanction so people can do as they like. Nebs
  • Score: 10

2:17pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Happy Chickie says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Happy Chickie wrote:
DCLEIGH wrote:
Simply introduce A&E charges for self inflicted injuries caused by drunkenness, fighting, drug abuse, car racing, sports with a likelihood of injury (Rugby, Football, Racing).
Charge attackers in domestic violence, street fighting, robbery (obv. the attacker must be caught but the victim would not be charged).
The NHS was NOT founded to pay for these things. It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident.
"It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident"

Really?
Here is a history lesson for you.Because I know how hard it is for you to present a reasoned debate as you never research anything. You'd far rather throw insults around than actually make a comment that is of any substance or that is based on experience or knowledge.

I'll keep it simple because I know how hard it is for you to assimilate FACTS.

The NHS was set up under a Labour government at a time when Labour was a party that supported the rights and freedoms of the working man. It was meant to be totally "free at the point of delivery" at the beginning but over years, various charges have been introduced including prescription charges, which are free in Scotland but paid for by the taxpayer in England.

The English taxpayer also supports free prescriptions in Scotland under the Barnett Formula, which also supports Scottish social care and even student fees. If the Scots get their independence, I totally expect us as English taxpayers, to stop supporting this - which should have ended years ago anyway, according to the man who designed it.

The NHS is now oversubscribed and groaning at the seams due to mass uncontrolled immigration and health tourism - that is, people coming from EU for free treatment then returning home without paying a penny.

Even people from non EU countries do this - some even manage to get themselves appointments from abroad. I know. I've done my research. And there is a lot more that you don't know either.

Nye Bevan, who was Minister for Health in the post war government was the original instigator of the idea of a NHS. As I said, this was at a time when Labour weren't a bunch of champagne socialists and were genuinely the party of the working man.

Political correctness hadn't been invented at that time either.

I hope that helps you to understand, before you make yourself look any sillier.

I notice all you ever do here is carp and criticise others but you never offer any PRACTICAL solutions or opinions to anything based on real experience and in depth knowledge. You don't know me personally for example, yet you referred to me as "demented" the other day. If you'd ever worked with dementia as I have, you'd understand just how disgusting a comment that is.

Have you ever stood for, or held public office? Or stood for parliament? Campaigned on anything? Stuck your neck above the parapet? Or even voted in an election? Have you been involved in legitimate protests? Attended public meetings, lobbied your MP, or discussed anything with a councillor, or got involved at any level? Have you ever had your personal life and character ripped to shreds by lunatic leftie liars? Had people writing disgusting things about you and false accusations?

I have done all of the above.

When you do all or any of these things, you are open to abuse, slander, libel and lies and rumours circulated by trolls, then regurgitated by people like yourself who would rather mouth off than actually ASK the person concerned if any of it is true. Or even bother to look at a person in an unobjective and totally unbiased way.

In other words, you pay a large price for your "freedom of speech", such as it is these days.

When you have even bothered to make your comments under your own name instead of hiding behind a daft pseudonym, let alone done any of the things I have done, as described above - and can offer some reasoned debate based on any of these things, your opinions will have more credibility.

Until then, there are plenty of places to troll - Farcebook and Tw@tter included... you'll be in good company there. Because merely rehashing things you've heard others say and basing your dislike of someone or something without prior knowledge of it, is the best way of embarrassing yourself.
You are a complete and utter loser Kim Gandy. You really are a piece of a work. Do you ever wonder what life would be like if you'd had enough oxygen at birth?

Yes you are demented, you aren't wired up right either. You have the personality of a peach pit and a mouth like a sewer.

You look like you sound, like something that has crawled out of the gutter.
It really must be painful being you.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Happy Chickie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DCLEIGH[/bold] wrote: Simply introduce A&E charges for self inflicted injuries caused by drunkenness, fighting, drug abuse, car racing, sports with a likelihood of injury (Rugby, Football, Racing). Charge attackers in domestic violence, street fighting, robbery (obv. the attacker must be caught but the victim would not be charged). The NHS was NOT founded to pay for these things. It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident.[/p][/quote]"It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident" Really?[/p][/quote]Here is a history lesson for you.Because I know how hard it is for you to present a reasoned debate as you never research anything. You'd far rather throw insults around than actually make a comment that is of any substance or that is based on experience or knowledge. I'll keep it simple because I know how hard it is for you to assimilate FACTS. The NHS was set up under a Labour government at a time when Labour was a party that supported the rights and freedoms of the working man. It was meant to be totally "free at the point of delivery" at the beginning but over years, various charges have been introduced including prescription charges, which are free in Scotland but paid for by the taxpayer in England. The English taxpayer also supports free prescriptions in Scotland under the Barnett Formula, which also supports Scottish social care and even student fees. If the Scots get their independence, I totally expect us as English taxpayers, to stop supporting this - which should have ended years ago anyway, according to the man who designed it. The NHS is now oversubscribed and groaning at the seams due to mass uncontrolled immigration and health tourism - that is, people coming from EU for free treatment then returning home without paying a penny. Even people from non EU countries do this - some even manage to get themselves appointments from abroad. I know. I've done my research. And there is a lot more that you don't know either. Nye Bevan, who was Minister for Health in the post war government was the original instigator of the idea of a NHS. As I said, this was at a time when Labour weren't a bunch of champagne socialists and were genuinely the party of the working man. Political correctness hadn't been invented at that time either. I hope that helps you to understand, before you make yourself look any sillier. I notice all you ever do here is carp and criticise others but you never offer any PRACTICAL solutions or opinions to anything based on real experience and in depth knowledge. You don't know me personally for example, yet you referred to me as "demented" the other day. If you'd ever worked with dementia as I have, you'd understand just how disgusting a comment that is. Have you ever stood for, or held public office? Or stood for parliament? Campaigned on anything? Stuck your neck above the parapet? Or even voted in an election? Have you been involved in legitimate protests? Attended public meetings, lobbied your MP, or discussed anything with a councillor, or got involved at any level? Have you ever had your personal life and character ripped to shreds by lunatic leftie liars? Had people writing disgusting things about you and false accusations? I have done all of the above. When you do all or any of these things, you are open to abuse, slander, libel and lies and rumours circulated by trolls, then regurgitated by people like yourself who would rather mouth off than actually ASK the person concerned if any of it is true. Or even bother to look at a person in an unobjective and totally unbiased way. In other words, you pay a large price for your "freedom of speech", such as it is these days. When you have even bothered to make your comments under your own name instead of hiding behind a daft pseudonym, let alone done any of the things I have done, as described above - and can offer some reasoned debate based on any of these things, your opinions will have more credibility. Until then, there are plenty of places to troll - Farcebook and Tw@tter included... you'll be in good company there. Because merely rehashing things you've heard others say and basing your dislike of someone or something without prior knowledge of it, is the best way of embarrassing yourself.[/p][/quote]You are a complete and utter loser Kim Gandy. You really are a piece of a work. Do you ever wonder what life would be like if you'd had enough oxygen at birth? Yes you are demented, you aren't wired up right either. You have the personality of a peach pit and a mouth like a sewer. You look like you sound, like something that has crawled out of the gutter. It really must be painful being you. Happy Chickie
  • Score: 6

2:18pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Happy Chickie says...

Gaz Michaels wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
I cannot be bothered to read the usual diatribe from the resident slimeballs.

I've had my say. When anybody has anything sensible to contribute, instead of slagging off people who make valid comments, I'll read it.

Until then.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Wow, Kim's posts make for lively if somewhat predictable 'Angry of Essex'-type reading on here, but some of her comments today above seem to me to be in a class of their own:

"You really are the most amazingly thick moron I've ever encountered"
"You take being stupid to dizzying new heights."

Then she has the cheek to remark about people having "anything sensible to contribute, instead of slagging off people who make valid comments?"

Pot and kettle anyone? :)
That woman, if you can actually call her that has serious mental problems.
Never seen anyone foam and rant at the mouth over the smallest things.

What a nutcase she is.
[quote][p][bold]Gaz Michaels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: I cannot be bothered to read the usual diatribe from the resident slimeballs. I've had my say. When anybody has anything sensible to contribute, instead of slagging off people who make valid comments, I'll read it. Until then.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz[/p][/quote]Wow, Kim's posts make for lively if somewhat predictable 'Angry of Essex'-type reading on here, but some of her comments today above seem to me to be in a class of their own: "You really are the most amazingly thick moron I've ever encountered" "You take being stupid to dizzying new heights." Then she has the cheek to remark about people having "anything sensible to contribute, instead of slagging off people who make valid comments?" Pot and kettle anyone? :)[/p][/quote]That woman, if you can actually call her that has serious mental problems. Never seen anyone foam and rant at the mouth over the smallest things. What a nutcase she is. Happy Chickie
  • Score: 5

3:29pm Thu 13 Mar 14

smiffy1980 says...

DCLEIGH wrote:
Simply introduce A&E charges for self inflicted injuries caused by drunkenness, fighting, drug abuse, car racing, sports with a likelihood of injury (Rugby, Football, Racing). Charge attackers in domestic violence, street fighting, robbery (obv. the attacker must be caught but the victim would not be charged). The NHS was NOT founded to pay for these things. It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident.
Are you actually for real? Charge people who get sporting injuries.......

Im afraid sir, injuries in sport is part and parcel of the game, whatever it may be. Infact muscle tears/damage is more of a cost on the NHS than a break and muscle tear's can happen in any sport, not just ones with a "likelihood of injury". Are you really suggesting that the answer to it all is to charge people who get injured like that ???? You are nuts, along with Kim if you think that is the way forward.
[quote][p][bold]DCLEIGH[/bold] wrote: Simply introduce A&E charges for self inflicted injuries caused by drunkenness, fighting, drug abuse, car racing, sports with a likelihood of injury (Rugby, Football, Racing). Charge attackers in domestic violence, street fighting, robbery (obv. the attacker must be caught but the victim would not be charged). The NHS was NOT founded to pay for these things. It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident.[/p][/quote]Are you actually for real? Charge people who get sporting injuries....... Im afraid sir, injuries in sport is part and parcel of the game, whatever it may be. Infact muscle tears/damage is more of a cost on the NHS than a break and muscle tear's can happen in any sport, not just ones with a "likelihood of injury". Are you really suggesting that the answer to it all is to charge people who get injured like that ???? You are nuts, along with Kim if you think that is the way forward. smiffy1980
  • Score: 4

4:05pm Thu 13 Mar 14

jolllyboy says...

have a well publicised walk in at each end of town since GPs cannot be troubled to open at hours that working people can do. Other than that it has to be remembered that the population has increased in the last 20 years and so should the emergency facilities.
have a well publicised walk in at each end of town since GPs cannot be troubled to open at hours that working people can do. Other than that it has to be remembered that the population has increased in the last 20 years and so should the emergency facilities. jolllyboy
  • Score: 2

5:51pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Living the La Vida Legra says...

Chris Flunk wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Happy Chickie wrote:
DCLEIGH wrote: Simply introduce A&E charges for self inflicted injuries caused by drunkenness, fighting, drug abuse, car racing, sports with a likelihood of injury (Rugby, Football, Racing). Charge attackers in domestic violence, street fighting, robbery (obv. the attacker must be caught but the victim would not be charged). The NHS was NOT founded to pay for these things. It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident.
"It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident" Really?
Here is a history lesson for you.Because I know how hard it is for you to present a reasoned debate as you never research anything. You'd far rather throw insults around than actually make a comment that is of any substance or that is based on experience or knowledge. I'll keep it simple because I know how hard it is for you to assimilate FACTS. The NHS was set up under a Labour government at a time when Labour was a party that supported the rights and freedoms of the working man. It was meant to be totally "free at the point of delivery" at the beginning but over years, various charges have been introduced including prescription charges, which are free in Scotland but paid for by the taxpayer in England. The English taxpayer also supports free prescriptions in Scotland under the Barnett Formula, which also supports Scottish social care and even student fees. If the Scots get their independence, I totally expect us as English taxpayers, to stop supporting this - which should have ended years ago anyway, according to the man who designed it. The NHS is now oversubscribed and groaning at the seams due to mass uncontrolled immigration and health tourism - that is, people coming from EU for free treatment then returning home without paying a penny. Even people from non EU countries do this - some even manage to get themselves appointments from abroad. I know. I've done my research. And there is a lot more that you don't know either. Nye Bevan, who was Minister for Health in the post war government was the original instigator of the idea of a NHS. As I said, this was at a time when Labour weren't a bunch of champagne socialists and were genuinely the party of the working man. Political correctness hadn't been invented at that time either. I hope that helps you to understand, before you make yourself look any sillier. I notice all you ever do here is carp and criticise others but you never offer any PRACTICAL solutions or opinions to anything based on real experience and in depth knowledge. You don't know me personally for example, yet you referred to me as "demented" the other day. If you'd ever worked with dementia as I have, you'd understand just how disgusting a comment that is. Have you ever stood for, or held public office? Or stood for parliament? Campaigned on anything? Stuck your neck above the parapet? Or even voted in an election? Have you been involved in legitimate protests? Attended public meetings, lobbied your MP, or discussed anything with a councillor, or got involved at any level? Have you ever had your personal life and character ripped to shreds by lunatic leftie liars? Had people writing disgusting things about you and false accusations? I have done all of the above. When you do all or any of these things, you are open to abuse, slander, libel and lies and rumours circulated by trolls, then regurgitated by people like yourself who would rather mouth off than actually ASK the person concerned if any of it is true. Or even bother to look at a person in an unobjective and totally unbiased way. In other words, you pay a large price for your "freedom of speech", such as it is these days. When you have even bothered to make your comments under your own name instead of hiding behind a daft pseudonym, let alone done any of the things I have done, as described above - and can offer some reasoned debate based on any of these things, your opinions will have more credibility. Until then, there are plenty of places to troll - Farcebook and Tw@tter included... you'll be in good company there. Because merely rehashing things you've heard others say and basing your dislike of someone or something without prior knowledge of it, is the best way of embarrassing yourself.
You missed the most important of the founding principles of the NHS: That it meet the needs of everyone.
If you work!
[quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Happy Chickie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DCLEIGH[/bold] wrote: Simply introduce A&E charges for self inflicted injuries caused by drunkenness, fighting, drug abuse, car racing, sports with a likelihood of injury (Rugby, Football, Racing). Charge attackers in domestic violence, street fighting, robbery (obv. the attacker must be caught but the victim would not be charged). The NHS was NOT founded to pay for these things. It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident.[/p][/quote]"It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident" Really?[/p][/quote]Here is a history lesson for you.Because I know how hard it is for you to present a reasoned debate as you never research anything. You'd far rather throw insults around than actually make a comment that is of any substance or that is based on experience or knowledge. I'll keep it simple because I know how hard it is for you to assimilate FACTS. The NHS was set up under a Labour government at a time when Labour was a party that supported the rights and freedoms of the working man. It was meant to be totally "free at the point of delivery" at the beginning but over years, various charges have been introduced including prescription charges, which are free in Scotland but paid for by the taxpayer in England. The English taxpayer also supports free prescriptions in Scotland under the Barnett Formula, which also supports Scottish social care and even student fees. If the Scots get their independence, I totally expect us as English taxpayers, to stop supporting this - which should have ended years ago anyway, according to the man who designed it. The NHS is now oversubscribed and groaning at the seams due to mass uncontrolled immigration and health tourism - that is, people coming from EU for free treatment then returning home without paying a penny. Even people from non EU countries do this - some even manage to get themselves appointments from abroad. I know. I've done my research. And there is a lot more that you don't know either. Nye Bevan, who was Minister for Health in the post war government was the original instigator of the idea of a NHS. As I said, this was at a time when Labour weren't a bunch of champagne socialists and were genuinely the party of the working man. Political correctness hadn't been invented at that time either. I hope that helps you to understand, before you make yourself look any sillier. I notice all you ever do here is carp and criticise others but you never offer any PRACTICAL solutions or opinions to anything based on real experience and in depth knowledge. You don't know me personally for example, yet you referred to me as "demented" the other day. If you'd ever worked with dementia as I have, you'd understand just how disgusting a comment that is. Have you ever stood for, or held public office? Or stood for parliament? Campaigned on anything? Stuck your neck above the parapet? Or even voted in an election? Have you been involved in legitimate protests? Attended public meetings, lobbied your MP, or discussed anything with a councillor, or got involved at any level? Have you ever had your personal life and character ripped to shreds by lunatic leftie liars? Had people writing disgusting things about you and false accusations? I have done all of the above. When you do all or any of these things, you are open to abuse, slander, libel and lies and rumours circulated by trolls, then regurgitated by people like yourself who would rather mouth off than actually ASK the person concerned if any of it is true. Or even bother to look at a person in an unobjective and totally unbiased way. In other words, you pay a large price for your "freedom of speech", such as it is these days. When you have even bothered to make your comments under your own name instead of hiding behind a daft pseudonym, let alone done any of the things I have done, as described above - and can offer some reasoned debate based on any of these things, your opinions will have more credibility. Until then, there are plenty of places to troll - Farcebook and Tw@tter included... you'll be in good company there. Because merely rehashing things you've heard others say and basing your dislike of someone or something without prior knowledge of it, is the best way of embarrassing yourself.[/p][/quote]You missed the most important of the founding principles of the NHS: That it meet the needs of everyone.[/p][/quote]If you work! Living the La Vida Legra
  • Score: 0

6:43pm Thu 13 Mar 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

Beer, Curry, Fight, Hospital, court....
Beer, Curry, Fight, Hospital, court.... carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: -5

7:56pm Thu 13 Mar 14

rude boy says...

Simple get more staff and nhs 2 pay 4 more staff 2
Simple get more staff and nhs 2 pay 4 more staff 2 rude boy
  • Score: -6

8:13am Fri 14 Mar 14

pembury53 says...

smiffy1980 wrote:
DCLEIGH wrote: Simply introduce A&E charges for self inflicted injuries caused by drunkenness, fighting, drug abuse, car racing, sports with a likelihood of injury (Rugby, Football, Racing). Charge attackers in domestic violence, street fighting, robbery (obv. the attacker must be caught but the victim would not be charged). The NHS was NOT founded to pay for these things. It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident.
Are you actually for real? Charge people who get sporting injuries....... Im afraid sir, injuries in sport is part and parcel of the game, whatever it may be. Infact muscle tears/damage is more of a cost on the NHS than a break and muscle tear's can happen in any sport, not just ones with a "likelihood of injury". Are you really suggesting that the answer to it all is to charge people who get injured like that ???? You are nuts, along with Kim if you think that is the way forward.
the way forward is to stop dishing out free health care to thousands of people who have no entitlement to it, and usually no entitlement to even be in the country...... a disgrace of epic proportions that we pay for these parasites
[quote][p][bold]smiffy1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DCLEIGH[/bold] wrote: Simply introduce A&E charges for self inflicted injuries caused by drunkenness, fighting, drug abuse, car racing, sports with a likelihood of injury (Rugby, Football, Racing). Charge attackers in domestic violence, street fighting, robbery (obv. the attacker must be caught but the victim would not be charged). The NHS was NOT founded to pay for these things. It was set up so poorer people would NOT have to save up to pay for the doctor in times of illness or in the event of an accident.[/p][/quote]Are you actually for real? Charge people who get sporting injuries....... Im afraid sir, injuries in sport is part and parcel of the game, whatever it may be. Infact muscle tears/damage is more of a cost on the NHS than a break and muscle tear's can happen in any sport, not just ones with a "likelihood of injury". Are you really suggesting that the answer to it all is to charge people who get injured like that ???? You are nuts, along with Kim if you think that is the way forward.[/p][/quote]the way forward is to stop dishing out free health care to thousands of people who have no entitlement to it, and usually no entitlement to even be in the country...... a disgrace of epic proportions that we pay for these parasites pembury53
  • Score: 2

1:50pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Abington86 says...

Miss Gandy - for the second time, the is expression 'stuck your head above the parapet' not your neck. Not really that intelligent/educated are you.

You also failed to point out that another problem with the NHS is that we all now expect things like unnecessary plastic surgery, IVF and all manner of totally non life threatening ailments to be cured by the NHS. These things all cost money that we do not have.

But perhaps your political views have clouded your judgement - you have concentrated on immigration.

You are constantly informing everyone that you WERE a local councillor. Presumably you lost your seat as your were spouting bile and viciousness to the population as you continue to do so on here.

Try to stick with the arguments and do not bring your personal predjucies on here.
Miss Gandy - for the second time, the is expression 'stuck your head above the parapet' not your neck. Not really that intelligent/educated are you. You also failed to point out that another problem with the NHS is that we all now expect things like unnecessary plastic surgery, IVF and all manner of totally non life threatening ailments to be cured by the NHS. These things all cost money that we do not have. But perhaps your political views have clouded your judgement - you have concentrated on immigration. You are constantly informing everyone that you WERE a local councillor. Presumably you lost your seat as your were spouting bile and viciousness to the population as you continue to do so on here. Try to stick with the arguments and do not bring your personal predjucies on here. Abington86
  • Score: 4

1:53pm Fri 14 Mar 14

TheaWells says...

Why do the Echo allow Kim to post? She really is gut wrenchingly vile. She has the cheek to tutt tutt at people "slagging off" on here yet happily and publicly states the old and infirm should be euthanised!!.
Because it's ok to 'slag off' the elderly... but not others.

Well you're elderly and a vile person, when will you be euthanised?
Why do the Echo allow Kim to post? She really is gut wrenchingly vile. She has the cheek to tutt tutt at people "slagging off" on here yet happily and publicly states the old and infirm should be euthanised!!. Because it's ok to 'slag off' the elderly... but not others. Well you're elderly and a vile person, when will you be euthanised? TheaWells
  • Score: 4

5:24pm Sat 15 Mar 14

ThisYear says...

Abington86 wrote:
Miss Gandy - for the second time, the is expression 'stuck your head above the parapet' not your neck. Not really that intelligent/educated are you.

You also failed to point out that another problem with the NHS is that we all now expect things like unnecessary plastic surgery, IVF and all manner of totally non life threatening ailments to be cured by the NHS. These things all cost money that we do not have.

But perhaps your political views have clouded your judgement - you have concentrated on immigration.

You are constantly informing everyone that you WERE a local councillor. Presumably you lost your seat as your were spouting bile and viciousness to the population as you continue to do so on here.

Try to stick with the arguments and do not bring your personal predjucies on here.
Gandy was. apparently, a non-political councillor! I have asked her on many occasions that that meant and entailed and to date she has not felt the need to answer..Im sure many can easily come to their own conclusions why she holds no public office..
[quote][p][bold]Abington86[/bold] wrote: Miss Gandy - for the second time, the is expression 'stuck your head above the parapet' not your neck. Not really that intelligent/educated are you. You also failed to point out that another problem with the NHS is that we all now expect things like unnecessary plastic surgery, IVF and all manner of totally non life threatening ailments to be cured by the NHS. These things all cost money that we do not have. But perhaps your political views have clouded your judgement - you have concentrated on immigration. You are constantly informing everyone that you WERE a local councillor. Presumably you lost your seat as your were spouting bile and viciousness to the population as you continue to do so on here. Try to stick with the arguments and do not bring your personal predjucies on here.[/p][/quote]Gandy was. apparently, a non-political councillor! I have asked her on many occasions that that meant and entailed and to date she has not felt the need to answer..Im sure many can easily come to their own conclusions why she holds no public office.. ThisYear
  • Score: 1

8:28am Mon 17 Mar 14

Happy Chickie says...

TheaWells wrote:
Why do the Echo allow Kim to post? She really is gut wrenchingly vile. She has the cheek to tutt tutt at people "slagging off" on here yet happily and publicly states the old and infirm should be euthanised!!.
Because it's ok to 'slag off' the elderly... but not others.

Well you're elderly and a vile person, when will you be euthanised?
Kama will get Kimbo Gandy - it always does.
[quote][p][bold]TheaWells[/bold] wrote: Why do the Echo allow Kim to post? She really is gut wrenchingly vile. She has the cheek to tutt tutt at people "slagging off" on here yet happily and publicly states the old and infirm should be euthanised!!. Because it's ok to 'slag off' the elderly... but not others. Well you're elderly and a vile person, when will you be euthanised?[/p][/quote]Kama will get Kimbo Gandy - it always does. Happy Chickie
  • Score: -1

7:13pm Mon 17 Mar 14

jolllyboy says...

If you cant see your doctor you have to go. Otherwise you get told you should have come sooner. But doctors dont call at the house, they say call paramedics, they take to hosp, et etc. time that drs did a week every 3 years in A&E and then they can see why people go there instead of to them.
If you cant see your doctor you have to go. Otherwise you get told you should have come sooner. But doctors dont call at the house, they say call paramedics, they take to hosp, et etc. time that drs did a week every 3 years in A&E and then they can see why people go there instead of to them. jolllyboy
  • Score: 1

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