Will airport study just call for Heathrow extension and throw out estuary plan?

Southend Standard: Will airport study just call for Heathrow extension and throw out estuary plan? Will airport study just call for Heathrow extension and throw out estuary plan?

HEATHROW needs an extra, third, runway and possibly even a fourth, a Commons Select Committee chairman said today.

The west London airport has been short of capacity for a decade and is currently operating at full capacity, said House of Commons Transport Committee chairman Louise Ellman.

She was speaking ahead of tomorrow's  publication of the first report of the Government-appointed Airports Commission, chaired by former Financial Services Authority chief Sir Howard Davies.

As well as publishing measures to ease airports congestion in the short term, the commission will reveal a short list of extra runway options - a list expected to include expansion at Heathrow.

However, firm proposals will not be made until the commission publishes its second, and final, report in summer 2015 - after the next general election.

Mrs Ellman pointed out today that her committee had, earlier in the year, come out firmly in favour of a third runway at Heathrow while rejecting a new Thames Estuary airport east of London on cost and environmental grounds.

The estuary airport plan is supported by London mayor Boris Johnson who has dubbed expansion at Heathrow as "environmentally disastrous and bad for London and the country".

Mrs Ellman's committee also concluded that bosses of Gatwick in West Sussex should be encouraged to "develop a robust business case for their vision of a second runway".

Mrs Ellman said today: "The (committee's) inquiry found very clearly that Heathrow - the UK's only hub airport - has been short of capacity for a decade, is currently operating at full capacity and needs a third runway.

"We also suggested that a four-runway proposal for Heathrow might have merit, especially if locating these westwards from the current site could curb the noise experienced by communities under the flight path."

The run-up to the Davies Commission's first report has stirred passions. Labour has supported a third runway at Heathrow but expansion at the west London airport was ruled out by the coalition Government when it took power in May 2010.

Last week, Tory MP Zac Goldsmith said any decision from the Prime Minister to back Heathrow expansion would represent an "off-the-scale betrayal" and that Mr Cameron would "never be forgiven in west London."

Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin said the coalition's pledge was not to build a third runway "in this Parliament" and stressed any decision would come after summer 2015, when the commission is due to publish its final report.

He said the decision would be in the best interests of the UK, not just London, and pointed out that aircraft are becoming quieter and more fuel-efficient.

Today, think-tank the Institute of Economic Affairs (IEA) said airports should be able to buy the right to expand and emit more noise by paying compensation to local residents.

It added that government involvement in the debate over aviation capacity was both unnecessary and undesirable and so airports needed to be given the ability to cut deals with local residents independently.

Rather than getting involved in decisions about where to expand capacity, politicians should give airports a means to reach agreements with residents affected by their decisions.

A compensation mechanism would allow agreements that benefit both airports and those who live in their surrounds, the IEA said.

In a more radical proposal, the IEA said "tax havens" could be created around airports which pay a large proportion of local levies, allowing residents to pay lower taxes.

Baroness Jo Valentine, chief executive of business group London First, said today: "Building extra capacity, be it through more runways or a new hub airport, is vital to the UK's future prosperity.

"But even a new runway at an existing airport could be a decade away so short-term measures to increase capacity are essential."

In a speech in October this year revealing the commission's "emerging thinking", Sir Howard said: "Our provisional conclusion is that we will need some net additional runway capacity in the south-east of England in the coming decades.

"To rely only on runways currently in operation would be likely to produce a distinctly sub-optimal solution for passengers, connectivity and the economy and would also almost certainly not be the best solution in terms of minimising the overall carbon impact of flights and travel to and from airports."

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6:26pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Nowthatsworthknowing says...

They should consider using Canvey for the next major international airport, superb location....
They should consider using Canvey for the next major international airport, superb location.... Nowthatsworthknowing

6:57pm Mon 16 Dec 13

jolllyboy says...

Stansted - no contest
Stansted - no contest jolllyboy

6:58pm Mon 16 Dec 13

stonybrig says...

Possible language probs there bruv inintintit !!!!!!!!
Possible language probs there bruv inintintit !!!!!!!! stonybrig

7:37pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Southend Andy says...

Southend Airport, that will get jayman & saen jumping up & down.
Southend Airport, that will get jayman & saen jumping up & down. Southend Andy

7:47pm Mon 16 Dec 13

SARFENDMAN says...

The Thames over the last week has suffered a thing called fog and caused massive transport disruption including flight cancellations at City Airport and Woolwich Ferry. Take note Boris.
The Thames over the last week has suffered a thing called fog and caused massive transport disruption including flight cancellations at City Airport and Woolwich Ferry. Take note Boris. SARFENDMAN

7:59pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Vox SoS says...

SARFENDMAN wrote:
The Thames over the last week has suffered a thing called fog and caused massive transport disruption including flight cancellations at City Airport and Woolwich Ferry. Take note Boris.
that would be the same fog which caused chaos at Heathrow too . . . . of have you deliberately overlooked that fact to support your ridiculous argument ?

Oh, and just for the record, Southend was relatively OK when the rest of the other South East airports were suffering, as the number of LCY diverts clearly indicated !
[quote][p][bold]SARFENDMAN[/bold] wrote: The Thames over the last week has suffered a thing called fog and caused massive transport disruption including flight cancellations at City Airport and Woolwich Ferry. Take note Boris.[/p][/quote]that would be the same fog which caused chaos at Heathrow too . . . . of have you deliberately overlooked that fact to support your ridiculous argument ? Oh, and just for the record, Southend was relatively OK when the rest of the other South East airports were suffering, as the number of LCY diverts clearly indicated ! Vox SoS

8:15pm Mon 16 Dec 13

jayman says...

The PM was recently dishing out ice cream with our official regional buffoon at Southend airport. Zac goldsmith has already declared that the airport consultation is a waste of time (the decision was already loaded) and money.

Basically. We will probably get an expansion at Heathrow, much to the plight of the local residents.
The PM was recently dishing out ice cream with our official regional buffoon at Southend airport. Zac goldsmith has already declared that the airport consultation is a waste of time (the decision was already loaded) and money. Basically. We will probably get an expansion at Heathrow, much to the plight of the local residents. jayman

9:59pm Mon 16 Dec 13

emcee says...

Bottom line is capacity needs to be increased substantially regardless where it is. By the time all the arguing, faffing around ends the amount of capacity required for will probably have doubled yet again, anyway, and thus the process starts over.
We need to plan and build for the capacity that may be required many decades ahead and not just try and increase capacity bit by bit, as and when. This may eventually mean extra runways and terminals at Heathrow, Gatwick AND Stansted, as well as needing a whole new airport somewhere else.
Why is it that Britain thinks it is a major international force in the world, and wants to be even greater, but are one of the most backward when it comes to issues such as this. Forward thinking is no good if you are too lilly livered to act upon it.
The reason Asian countries are progressing at a much faster rate in the worldwide arena is because they do not **** foot around when trying to progress and this includes the building airports.
Bottom line is capacity needs to be increased substantially regardless where it is. By the time all the arguing, faffing around ends the amount of capacity required for will probably have doubled yet again, anyway, and thus the process starts over. We need to plan and build for the capacity that may be required many decades ahead and not just try and increase capacity bit by bit, as and when. This may eventually mean extra runways and terminals at Heathrow, Gatwick AND Stansted, as well as needing a whole new airport somewhere else. Why is it that Britain thinks it is a major international force in the world, and wants to be even greater, but are one of the most backward when it comes to issues such as this. Forward thinking is no good if you are too lilly livered to act upon it. The reason Asian countries are progressing at a much faster rate in the worldwide arena is because they do not **** foot around when trying to progress and this includes the building airports. emcee

10:12pm Mon 16 Dec 13

emcee says...

jayman wrote:
The PM was recently dishing out ice cream with our official regional buffoon at Southend airport. Zac goldsmith has already declared that the airport consultation is a waste of time (the decision was already loaded) and money.

Basically. We will probably get an expansion at Heathrow, much to the plight of the local residents.
The price of a modern international, travelling society I'm afraid. Choose to live near or within a few miles of an airport and you take the risk that one day, maybe not today, tomorrow or twenty years down the line, but at some point you may lose your home or you neighbourhood will turn into some airport based metropolis.
Ok, so nowhere is safe from progress requiring compulsory purchase of neighbourhood interuption but live within a certain distance from an airport and your safety from being affected by such progress is hugely decreased. You make your choices you have to live with those choices.
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: The PM was recently dishing out ice cream with our official regional buffoon at Southend airport. Zac goldsmith has already declared that the airport consultation is a waste of time (the decision was already loaded) and money. Basically. We will probably get an expansion at Heathrow, much to the plight of the local residents.[/p][/quote]The price of a modern international, travelling society I'm afraid. Choose to live near or within a few miles of an airport and you take the risk that one day, maybe not today, tomorrow or twenty years down the line, but at some point you may lose your home or you neighbourhood will turn into some airport based metropolis. Ok, so nowhere is safe from progress requiring compulsory purchase of neighbourhood interuption but live within a certain distance from an airport and your safety from being affected by such progress is hugely decreased. You make your choices you have to live with those choices. emcee

11:06pm Mon 16 Dec 13

jayman says...

emcee wrote:
jayman wrote:
The PM was recently dishing out ice cream with our official regional buffoon at Southend airport. Zac goldsmith has already declared that the airport consultation is a waste of time (the decision was already loaded) and money.

Basically. We will probably get an expansion at Heathrow, much to the plight of the local residents.
The price of a modern international, travelling society I'm afraid. Choose to live near or within a few miles of an airport and you take the risk that one day, maybe not today, tomorrow or twenty years down the line, but at some point you may lose your home or you neighbourhood will turn into some airport based metropolis.
Ok, so nowhere is safe from progress requiring compulsory purchase of neighbourhood interuption but live within a certain distance from an airport and your safety from being affected by such progress is hugely decreased. You make your choices you have to live with those choices.
"You make your choices you have to live with those choices."

A consumer society such as ours offers no choice. It offers alternative brands of outsourced unhappiness.
[quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: The PM was recently dishing out ice cream with our official regional buffoon at Southend airport. Zac goldsmith has already declared that the airport consultation is a waste of time (the decision was already loaded) and money. Basically. We will probably get an expansion at Heathrow, much to the plight of the local residents.[/p][/quote]The price of a modern international, travelling society I'm afraid. Choose to live near or within a few miles of an airport and you take the risk that one day, maybe not today, tomorrow or twenty years down the line, but at some point you may lose your home or you neighbourhood will turn into some airport based metropolis. Ok, so nowhere is safe from progress requiring compulsory purchase of neighbourhood interuption but live within a certain distance from an airport and your safety from being affected by such progress is hugely decreased. You make your choices you have to live with those choices.[/p][/quote]"You make your choices you have to live with those choices." A consumer society such as ours offers no choice. It offers alternative brands of outsourced unhappiness. jayman

7:29am Tue 17 Dec 13

SARFENDMAN says...

Vox SoS wrote:
SARFENDMAN wrote: The Thames over the last week has suffered a thing called fog and caused massive transport disruption including flight cancellations at City Airport and Woolwich Ferry. Take note Boris.
that would be the same fog which caused chaos at Heathrow too . . . . of have you deliberately overlooked that fact to support your ridiculous argument ? Oh, and just for the record, Southend was relatively OK when the rest of the other South East airports were suffering, as the number of LCY diverts clearly indicated !
But Heathrow cleared while Thames remained fog bound. There are sometimes issues with aircraft approaching over The Estuary at Southend so a known issue ..fact!
Stansted always comes out tops snow or fog.
[quote][p][bold]Vox SoS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SARFENDMAN[/bold] wrote: The Thames over the last week has suffered a thing called fog and caused massive transport disruption including flight cancellations at City Airport and Woolwich Ferry. Take note Boris.[/p][/quote]that would be the same fog which caused chaos at Heathrow too . . . . of have you deliberately overlooked that fact to support your ridiculous argument ? Oh, and just for the record, Southend was relatively OK when the rest of the other South East airports were suffering, as the number of LCY diverts clearly indicated ![/p][/quote]But Heathrow cleared while Thames remained fog bound. There are sometimes issues with aircraft approaching over The Estuary at Southend so a known issue ..fact! Stansted always comes out tops snow or fog. SARFENDMAN

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