Too many cars cost showroom owner £6k at court

Southend Standard: Too many cars cost showroom owner £6k at court Too many cars cost showroom owner £6k at court

THE owner of a car showroom must pay almost £6,000 after being taken to court for breaking planning rules.

Bruce Paterson, owner of Benfleet Motors, in London Road, Benfleet, pleaded guilty to a charge of contravening a planning condition under the Town and Country Planning Act 1990 at a hearing at Basildon Magistrates’ Court yesterday.

Paterson was taken to court by Castle Point Council after exceeding the number of vehicles on display for sale at the premises, which is set at ten.

The court heard this was his fourth conviction for the same offence at these premises.

Magistrates fined Paterson £2,000 and ordered him to pay the council’s legal costs of £3,827 as well as a further victim surcharge of £120.

Pam Challis, council leader, said: “This sends out a stern message to anyone in the borough who continues to flout planning rules.”

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12:04pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Russ13 says...

I'd be interested to know if this was actually causing a problem or if it's just the council throwing their weight around.

I know "rules is rules" but pretty much all businesses are finding it hard at the moment and I guess cars aren't selling as quickly as they normally would.
I'd be interested to know if this was actually causing a problem or if it's just the council throwing their weight around. I know "rules is rules" but pretty much all businesses are finding it hard at the moment and I guess cars aren't selling as quickly as they normally would. Russ13

12:21pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Kim Gandy says...

Russ13 wrote:
I'd be interested to know if this was actually causing a problem or if it's just the council throwing their weight around.

I know "rules is rules" but pretty much all businesses are finding it hard at the moment and I guess cars aren't selling as quickly as they normally would.
Rules is rules except at Dale Farm where you can break the law for 12 years with vehicles and mobile homes in places they shouldn't be.

And ignore court orders.
[quote][p][bold]Russ13[/bold] wrote: I'd be interested to know if this was actually causing a problem or if it's just the council throwing their weight around. I know "rules is rules" but pretty much all businesses are finding it hard at the moment and I guess cars aren't selling as quickly as they normally would.[/p][/quote]Rules is rules except at Dale Farm where you can break the law for 12 years with vehicles and mobile homes in places they shouldn't be. And ignore court orders. Kim Gandy

12:24pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Russ13 says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Russ13 wrote: I'd be interested to know if this was actually causing a problem or if it's just the council throwing their weight around. I know "rules is rules" but pretty much all businesses are finding it hard at the moment and I guess cars aren't selling as quickly as they normally would.
Rules is rules except at Dale Farm where you can break the law for 12 years with vehicles and mobile homes in places they shouldn't be. And ignore court orders.
I think you're right there Kim.....
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Russ13[/bold] wrote: I'd be interested to know if this was actually causing a problem or if it's just the council throwing their weight around. I know "rules is rules" but pretty much all businesses are finding it hard at the moment and I guess cars aren't selling as quickly as they normally would.[/p][/quote]Rules is rules except at Dale Farm where you can break the law for 12 years with vehicles and mobile homes in places they shouldn't be. And ignore court orders.[/p][/quote]I think you're right there Kim..... Russ13

1:01pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Ian P says...

Pam Challis, council leader, said: “This sends out a stern message to anyone in the borough who continues to flout planning rules.” It is a shame Pam Challis does not send the same stern message to all the car sales operations being run from residential streets in the Borough. Some of these have more than 10 vehicles at a time parked on the public highway. At least Benfleet Motors has room for more than 10 vehicles without causing anyone any problems.
Pam Challis, council leader, said: “This sends out a stern message to anyone in the borough who continues to flout planning rules.” It is a shame Pam Challis does not send the same stern message to all the car sales operations being run from residential streets in the Borough. Some of these have more than 10 vehicles at a time parked on the public highway. At least Benfleet Motors has room for more than 10 vehicles without causing anyone any problems. Ian P

1:04pm Wed 11 Dec 13

DogsMessInLeigh says...

Russ13 wrote:
I'd be interested to know if this was actually causing a problem or if it's just the council throwing their weight around.

I know "rules is rules" but pretty much all businesses are finding it hard at the moment and I guess cars aren't selling as quickly as they normally would.
4th time for this chap....surely he knew he was going to loose.
[quote][p][bold]Russ13[/bold] wrote: I'd be interested to know if this was actually causing a problem or if it's just the council throwing their weight around. I know "rules is rules" but pretty much all businesses are finding it hard at the moment and I guess cars aren't selling as quickly as they normally would.[/p][/quote]4th time for this chap....surely he knew he was going to loose. DogsMessInLeigh

2:34pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Russ13 says...

DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
Russ13 wrote: I'd be interested to know if this was actually causing a problem or if it's just the council throwing their weight around. I know "rules is rules" but pretty much all businesses are finding it hard at the moment and I guess cars aren't selling as quickly as they normally would.
4th time for this chap....surely he knew he was going to loose.
Yes but that in my opinion is irrelevant if he's not actually causing a problem to other businesses or residents.

Is the council just being over zealous with the "rules is rules" mentality? If the owner can safely "store" more than 10 cars what's the actual problem?

Incidentally.... did you mean "too loose" or "to lose"?
[quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Russ13[/bold] wrote: I'd be interested to know if this was actually causing a problem or if it's just the council throwing their weight around. I know "rules is rules" but pretty much all businesses are finding it hard at the moment and I guess cars aren't selling as quickly as they normally would.[/p][/quote]4th time for this chap....surely he knew he was going to loose.[/p][/quote]Yes but that in my opinion is irrelevant if he's not actually causing a problem to other businesses or residents. Is the council just being over zealous with the "rules is rules" mentality? If the owner can safely "store" more than 10 cars what's the actual problem? Incidentally.... did you mean "too loose" or "to lose"? Russ13

4:26pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Alekhine says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Russ13 wrote: I'd be interested to know if this was actually causing a problem or if it's just the council throwing their weight around. I know "rules is rules" but pretty much all businesses are finding it hard at the moment and I guess cars aren't selling as quickly as they normally would.
Rules is rules except at Dale Farm where you can break the law for 12 years with vehicles and mobile homes in places they shouldn't be. And ignore court orders.
Yes,..maybe you should try convincing LL of that fact. Apparently Parliament never had the right in the first place to make the law which they broke! (etc,etc....and on...and on).
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Russ13[/bold] wrote: I'd be interested to know if this was actually causing a problem or if it's just the council throwing their weight around. I know "rules is rules" but pretty much all businesses are finding it hard at the moment and I guess cars aren't selling as quickly as they normally would.[/p][/quote]Rules is rules except at Dale Farm where you can break the law for 12 years with vehicles and mobile homes in places they shouldn't be. And ignore court orders.[/p][/quote]Yes,..maybe you should try convincing LL of that fact. Apparently Parliament never had the right in the first place to make the law which they broke! (etc,etc....and on...and on). Alekhine

6:49pm Wed 11 Dec 13

CHRISTMAS CAROL says...

Ian P wrote:
Pam Challis, council leader, said: “This sends out a stern message to anyone in the borough who continues to flout planning rules.” It is a shame Pam Challis does not send the same stern message to all the car sales operations being run from residential streets in the Borough. Some of these have more than 10 vehicles at a time parked on the public highway. At least Benfleet Motors has room for more than 10 vehicles without causing anyone any problems.
YES There is a car sales racquet in my road, a nusiance. I have seen vehicle licensing vans there and it stops for a while and then the cars return. What about the law that you cant run a business from home. and I know the council have intervened but nothing happens.
[quote][p][bold]Ian P[/bold] wrote: Pam Challis, council leader, said: “This sends out a stern message to anyone in the borough who continues to flout planning rules.” It is a shame Pam Challis does not send the same stern message to all the car sales operations being run from residential streets in the Borough. Some of these have more than 10 vehicles at a time parked on the public highway. At least Benfleet Motors has room for more than 10 vehicles without causing anyone any problems.[/p][/quote]YES There is a car sales racquet in my road, a nusiance. I have seen vehicle licensing vans there and it stops for a while and then the cars return. What about the law that you cant run a business from home. and I know the council have intervened but nothing happens. CHRISTMAS CAROL

9:08pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Nebs says...

6,000 is nothing compared to the parking fines Southend Council must collect from all the cars for sale parked all day along London Rd in Leigh.
6,000 is nothing compared to the parking fines Southend Council must collect from all the cars for sale parked all day along London Rd in Leigh. Nebs

10:16pm Wed 11 Dec 13

John T Pharro says...

Pam Challis says stern message for "flouting planning laws". That's rich coming from a Council that flouts planning laws by overdevelopment on Canvey and produced a Borough Plan so flawed it cost the Council Tax payers thousands of pounds when rejected.
Pam Challis says stern message for "flouting planning laws". That's rich coming from a Council that flouts planning laws by overdevelopment on Canvey and produced a Borough Plan so flawed it cost the Council Tax payers thousands of pounds when rejected. John T Pharro

4:16pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Minceir. says...

"The court heard this was his fourth conviction for the same offence at these premises. "

It seems that the court decided that Paterson was a wee wee taker and applied an appropriate penalty. I have no sympathy whatsoever and hope that any further contravention is dealt with by even sterner penalty.
"The court heard this was his fourth conviction for the same offence at these premises. " It seems that the court decided that Paterson was a wee wee taker and applied an appropriate penalty. I have no sympathy whatsoever and hope that any further contravention is dealt with by even sterner penalty. Minceir.

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