Regular flights from Southend airport from next March

Southend Standard: Regular flights from Southend airport from next March Regular flights from Southend airport from next March

PASSENGERS can fly from Southend Airport from next March.

Stobart Group, who bought the airport in December 2008, have agreed a five-year deal with Irish airline Aer Arann.

It is hoped the airport will serve 300,000 passengers a year flying to places such as Ireland and France.

The offer remains conditional on certain terms being satisfied, including Aer Arann successfully exiting Examinership. The company and their Examiner will be working to eliminate these conditions and it is hoped that the company could exit Examinership before the end of the month.

Airport Managing Director, Alastair Welch, said: “Stobart Group has agreed terms for a five year operating agreement with Aer Arann to use London Southend Airport for flights starting March 2011, with volumes expected to grow to 300,000 passengers annually. As part of the overall investment agreement with others, Stobart Group will invest €2.5 million to incentivise and market Aer Arann’s operation from London Southend Airport."

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5:36pm Mon 11 Oct 10

village of the damned says...

woop woop :) this is great news!!
woop woop :) this is great news!! village of the damned
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5:49pm Mon 11 Oct 10

Bonneville Bert says...

Brilliant news, lets all hope that more companies follow and get the place going again as soon as possible!
One in the eye for the anti's, haha!
Brilliant news, lets all hope that more companies follow and get the place going again as soon as possible! One in the eye for the anti's, haha! Bonneville Bert
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5:49pm Mon 11 Oct 10

vangebasildon says...

Wonderful news, can't wait for more destinations in the future.
Wonderful news, can't wait for more destinations in the future. vangebasildon
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5:52pm Mon 11 Oct 10

tophatdt says...

Hopefully the first of a dozen or so new airlines and routes from Southend. Pity the first one found has already a financial problem but hope this new contract will strengthen their survival. I would like to see longhaul destinations advertised from Southend using transfer hubs like Amsterdam, Paris or Frankfurt. I already do this myself instead of using Heathrow.
Any news on when the runway extension preparation work will start? Well done, Stobarts.
Hopefully the first of a dozen or so new airlines and routes from Southend. Pity the first one found has already a financial problem but hope this new contract will strengthen their survival. I would like to see longhaul destinations advertised from Southend using transfer hubs like Amsterdam, Paris or Frankfurt. I already do this myself instead of using Heathrow. Any news on when the runway extension preparation work will start? Well done, Stobarts. tophatdt
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6:00pm Mon 11 Oct 10

myhumbleopinion says...

Great news at last. Wait for the SAEN spin...
Great news at last. Wait for the SAEN spin... myhumbleopinion
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6:00pm Mon 11 Oct 10

j-w says...

tophatdt, Work on the Eastwoodbury Lane diversion has already started, work on the runway extension itself will start once the new road is open and the moved public areas are reinstated.
tophatdt, Work on the Eastwoodbury Lane diversion has already started, work on the runway extension itself will start once the new road is open and the moved public areas are reinstated. j-w
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6:12pm Mon 11 Oct 10

Ivanna Goodhump says...

tophatdt wrote:
Hopefully the first of a dozen or so new airlines and routes from Southend. Pity the first one found has already a financial problem but hope this new contract will strengthen their survival. I would like to see longhaul destinations advertised from Southend using transfer hubs like Amsterdam, Paris or Frankfurt. I already do this myself instead of using Heathrow. Any news on when the runway extension preparation work will start? Well done, Stobarts.
Aer Arran have suffered losses of 18million Euro's since 2008 and has a balance sheet deficit of 10m Euro.
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The High Court in Dublin placed them in Examinership - which effectively just protects them from creditors (who are owed 72 million Euro) winding them up. Without this they would have gone pop and could still do so.

This only happened in late August and before anyone gets too excited I suggest they read this :
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http://archives.tcm.
ie/businesspost/2010
/08/29/story51325.as
p

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This is not an airline that has just been affected by the Ash problems but a longstanding loss making company that is insolvent and save for Court protection would have ceased trading in August.
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In fact the finances are so bad I am suprised that Ron Martin isn't involved !
[quote][p][bold]tophatdt[/bold] wrote: Hopefully the first of a dozen or so new airlines and routes from Southend. Pity the first one found has already a financial problem but hope this new contract will strengthen their survival. I would like to see longhaul destinations advertised from Southend using transfer hubs like Amsterdam, Paris or Frankfurt. I already do this myself instead of using Heathrow. Any news on when the runway extension preparation work will start? Well done, Stobarts.[/p][/quote]Aer Arran have suffered losses of 18million Euro's since 2008 and has a balance sheet deficit of 10m Euro. ~ The High Court in Dublin placed them in Examinership - which effectively just protects them from creditors (who are owed 72 million Euro) winding them up. Without this they would have gone pop and could still do so. This only happened in late August and before anyone gets too excited I suggest they read this : ~ http://archives.tcm. ie/businesspost/2010 /08/29/story51325.as p ~ This is not an airline that has just been affected by the Ash problems but a longstanding loss making company that is insolvent and save for Court protection would have ceased trading in August. ~ In fact the finances are so bad I am suprised that Ron Martin isn't involved ! Ivanna Goodhump
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6:18pm Mon 11 Oct 10

myhumbleopinion says...

Congratulations Ivanna Goodhump, you're the first!
There are very few airlines that have managed to turn a profit over the last couple of years. Stobart are rescuing the airline. This is only a new start for scheduled services at Southend, and will itself provide employement oppurtunities. I don't understand why you are anti progress - do you have a real reason or are you just a NIMBY?
Congratulations Ivanna Goodhump, you're the first! There are very few airlines that have managed to turn a profit over the last couple of years. Stobart are rescuing the airline. This is only a new start for scheduled services at Southend, and will itself provide employement oppurtunities. I don't understand why you are anti progress - do you have a real reason or are you just a NIMBY? myhumbleopinion
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6:20pm Mon 11 Oct 10

Ivanna Goodhump says...

Ivanna Goodhump wrote:
tophatdt wrote: Hopefully the first of a dozen or so new airlines and routes from Southend. Pity the first one found has already a financial problem but hope this new contract will strengthen their survival. I would like to see longhaul destinations advertised from Southend using transfer hubs like Amsterdam, Paris or Frankfurt. I already do this myself instead of using Heathrow. Any news on when the runway extension preparation work will start? Well done, Stobarts.
Aer Arran have suffered losses of 18million Euro's since 2008 and has a balance sheet deficit of 10m Euro. ~ The High Court in Dublin placed them in Examinership - which effectively just protects them from creditors (who are owed 72 million Euro) winding them up. Without this they would have gone pop and could still do so. This only happened in late August and before anyone gets too excited I suggest they read this : ~ http://archives.tcm. ie/businesspost/2010 /08/29/story51325.as p ~ This is not an airline that has just been affected by the Ash problems but a longstanding loss making company that is insolvent and save for Court protection would have ceased trading in August. ~ In fact the finances are so bad I am suprised that Ron Martin isn't involved !
Oh, and being an Irish low cost carrier - they have outside loos on the planes....

~

A recent announcement on one of their flights went as follows :

"an Aer Arran airliner was flying across the atlantic when, BOOM! The intercom came on 'sorry everyone we gonna be an hour or so late as one of our engines has broken. About 20 mins later, BOOM! 'dis is not a good day, sorry its happened again we gonna be another two hours late.' 20 mins later another BOOM! 'ok its all gonna be ok weve still got 1 engine left were just gonna be 10 or so hours late dats all' another two hours of slow flying when....BOOM ' oh **** were gonna be up here all night de way this is going.!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Ivanna Goodhump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tophatdt[/bold] wrote: Hopefully the first of a dozen or so new airlines and routes from Southend. Pity the first one found has already a financial problem but hope this new contract will strengthen their survival. I would like to see longhaul destinations advertised from Southend using transfer hubs like Amsterdam, Paris or Frankfurt. I already do this myself instead of using Heathrow. Any news on when the runway extension preparation work will start? Well done, Stobarts.[/p][/quote]Aer Arran have suffered losses of 18million Euro's since 2008 and has a balance sheet deficit of 10m Euro. ~ The High Court in Dublin placed them in Examinership - which effectively just protects them from creditors (who are owed 72 million Euro) winding them up. Without this they would have gone pop and could still do so. This only happened in late August and before anyone gets too excited I suggest they read this : ~ http://archives.tcm. ie/businesspost/2010 /08/29/story51325.as p ~ This is not an airline that has just been affected by the Ash problems but a longstanding loss making company that is insolvent and save for Court protection would have ceased trading in August. ~ In fact the finances are so bad I am suprised that Ron Martin isn't involved ![/p][/quote]Oh, and being an Irish low cost carrier - they have outside loos on the planes.... ~ A recent announcement on one of their flights went as follows : "an Aer Arran airliner was flying across the atlantic when, BOOM! The intercom came on 'sorry everyone we gonna be an hour or so late as one of our engines has broken. About 20 mins later, BOOM! 'dis is not a good day, sorry its happened again we gonna be another two hours late.' 20 mins later another BOOM! 'ok its all gonna be ok weve still got 1 engine left were just gonna be 10 or so hours late dats all' another two hours of slow flying when....BOOM ' oh **** were gonna be up here all night de way this is going.!!!!!! Ivanna Goodhump
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6:23pm Mon 11 Oct 10

Nebs says...

Should create a few of the 7,000 promised new jobs, which will come a shock to the professionally unemployed of the area. Where in Europe do they fly?
Should create a few of the 7,000 promised new jobs, which will come a shock to the professionally unemployed of the area. Where in Europe do they fly? Nebs
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6:26pm Mon 11 Oct 10

myhumbleopinion says...

Ivanna Goodhump you really do have a problem. Aer Arran have an impeccable safety record and are no Ryanair. Yes, they do currently charge for sncaks and drinks - but few airlines today don't. This airline is a real gem, as I have flown with them before. They offer free newspapers, and curently have a franchise agreement with Aer Lingus, allowing connections to flights t the Americas through Dublin.
Please, Ivanna Goodhump, if you don't have anything helpful to say, don't post at all!
Ivanna Goodhump you really do have a problem. Aer Arran have an impeccable safety record and are no Ryanair. Yes, they do currently charge for sncaks and drinks - but few airlines today don't. This airline is a real gem, as I have flown with them before. They offer free newspapers, and curently have a franchise agreement with Aer Lingus, allowing connections to flights t the Americas through Dublin. Please, Ivanna Goodhump, if you don't have anything helpful to say, don't post at all! myhumbleopinion
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6:32pm Mon 11 Oct 10

emcee says...

Good news. However, a deal involving a financially volatile airline will not install much confidence with passengers wanting to book flights with them. I fear Stobart have rushed into this deal just so they can start to actually show they have airlines who are interested in flying from Southend. I do hope, mind you, that now the ball has started to roll, other airlines will come forward to express an interest.
Also, 300,000 passengers a year is only about eight aircrat a day (give or take) so it will be hardly a busy airport for passengers. This, in itself, will make it a pleasure to fly from.
Good news. However, a deal involving a financially volatile airline will not install much confidence with passengers wanting to book flights with them. I fear Stobart have rushed into this deal just so they can start to actually show they have airlines who are interested in flying from Southend. I do hope, mind you, that now the ball has started to roll, other airlines will come forward to express an interest. Also, 300,000 passengers a year is only about eight aircrat a day (give or take) so it will be hardly a busy airport for passengers. This, in itself, will make it a pleasure to fly from. emcee
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6:35pm Mon 11 Oct 10

APR says...

This is a cheap and quick way of getting an airline operating licence.

It has nothing to do with making Aer Arann a viable proposition.
This is a cheap and quick way of getting an airline operating licence. It has nothing to do with making Aer Arann a viable proposition. APR
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6:58pm Mon 11 Oct 10

tophatdt says...

so, APR, do you think this will be the start of Stobart Airlines? Hhmm, it's possible. It's one way of operating flights which the airport owner belives in, instead of trying to attract, and be blackmailed into free-landing fees forever, by rithless cowboy outfits like Ryanair. (sorry, I do use them, but....)
so, APR, do you think this will be the start of Stobart Airlines? Hhmm, it's possible. It's one way of operating flights which the airport owner belives in, instead of trying to attract, and be blackmailed into free-landing fees forever, by rithless cowboy outfits like Ryanair. (sorry, I do use them, but....) tophatdt
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7:05pm Mon 11 Oct 10

emcee says...

APR wrote:
This is a cheap and quick way of getting an airline operating licence.

It has nothing to do with making Aer Arann a viable proposition.
I believe it is the airline who has to have an "Airline Operators Licence/Certificate"
. In which case, as they are already a passenger carrying airline, Aer Arunn will already have one. If you are referring to an Airport/Aerodrome licence, this will already have been issued by the CAA as Southend already operates as civil aerodrome with passenger flights. If it needs to be reissued, due to expansion, this would be done anyway as a matter of course.
[quote][p][bold]APR[/bold] wrote: This is a cheap and quick way of getting an airline operating licence. It has nothing to do with making Aer Arann a viable proposition.[/p][/quote]I believe it is the airline who has to have an "Airline Operators Licence/Certificate" . In which case, as they are already a passenger carrying airline, Aer Arunn will already have one. If you are referring to an Airport/Aerodrome licence, this will already have been issued by the CAA as Southend already operates as civil aerodrome with passenger flights. If it needs to be reissued, due to expansion, this would be done anyway as a matter of course. emcee
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7:10pm Mon 11 Oct 10

tophatdt says...

according to the airline's website, they had up to 14 interested parties in financing it back to health. Stobart will inject £2.5m, so if all 14 do it, that's quite a lot of money, and the new investors must surely have some say which routes they will fly. If you locals are worried about the noise, don't be. They currently only operate ATR42 turboprops which are very quiet and eco-friendly.
according to the airline's website, they had up to 14 interested parties in financing it back to health. Stobart will inject £2.5m, so if all 14 do it, that's quite a lot of money, and the new investors must surely have some say which routes they will fly. If you locals are worried about the noise, don't be. They currently only operate ATR42 turboprops which are very quiet and eco-friendly. tophatdt
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7:28pm Mon 11 Oct 10

Seapy says...

Great news. Lets hope they can sign up a few more. I suggest Flybe - a solid company who should be encouraged to expand beyond their seasonal service to Jersey.
Great news. Lets hope they can sign up a few more. I suggest Flybe - a solid company who should be encouraged to expand beyond their seasonal service to Jersey. Seapy
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8:05pm Mon 11 Oct 10

Alice in Her Own Land :P says...

Southend Airport is becoming a proper Airport. Well done to all concerned. The station looks good and it's all coming together. A long time coming and it can only be a good thing. (Just glad I don't live near the flight path, but then I didn't choose to live near an airport).
Southend Airport is becoming a proper Airport. Well done to all concerned. The station looks good and it's all coming together. A long time coming and it can only be a good thing. (Just glad I don't live near the flight path, but then I didn't choose to live near an airport). Alice in Her Own Land :P
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8:10pm Mon 11 Oct 10

killearn says...

I think they need to stay afloat before then...
Google the airline in the hands of admin..........
In spite of making a profit of more than €4.4 million in 2007, Aer Arann, which leases 13 aircraft, has lost about €6 million in each of the three years since.
I think they need to stay afloat before then... Google the airline in the hands of admin.......... In spite of making a profit of more than €4.4 million in 2007, Aer Arann, which leases 13 aircraft, has lost about €6 million in each of the three years since. killearn
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8:35pm Mon 11 Oct 10

SARFENDMAN says...

The door is gradually being opened and this is just a start. This is just the early sign of our local airport coming back to life and that's what we've all been waiting for. The doom, gloom and NIMBYS wont be celebrating, so be prepared for all the negative stuff. They'll be plenty, have no fear.
The door is gradually being opened and this is just a start. This is just the early sign of our local airport coming back to life and that's what we've all been waiting for. The doom, gloom and NIMBYS wont be celebrating, so be prepared for all the negative stuff. They'll be plenty, have no fear. SARFENDMAN
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8:35pm Mon 11 Oct 10

AspergerKidJoe says...

This is not great news. this is BRILLIANT NEWS!!! :-)

What good start towards the expansion of the airport. I hope Aer Arann will serve Cork from Southend, because I have many relatives who often fly with Ryanair from Stansted to Cork to see relatives living there, but the flights time are really arkward from Stansted to Cork. With the first flight at 6:20am and the 2nd flight at 07:45pm or 09:30pm. On the jorney back the flight arrives at Stansted at 9:25am and the scond flight arrives at eithe 8:30 to 9:10pm or even 11:00 at night! But I hope that they do fly to Cork and the flight is in the afternoon.

Anyhow, brilliant news!

Thank you Eddie Stobart and Aer Arann!

;-)
This is not great news. this is BRILLIANT NEWS!!! :-) What good start towards the expansion of the airport. I hope Aer Arann will serve Cork from Southend, because I have many relatives who often fly with Ryanair from Stansted to Cork to see relatives living there, but the flights time are really arkward from Stansted to Cork. With the first flight at 6:20am and the 2nd flight at 07:45pm or 09:30pm. On the jorney back the flight arrives at Stansted at 9:25am and the scond flight arrives at eithe 8:30 to 9:10pm or even 11:00 at night! But I hope that they do fly to Cork and the flight is in the afternoon. Anyhow, brilliant news! Thank you Eddie Stobart and Aer Arann! ;-) AspergerKidJoe
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8:56pm Mon 11 Oct 10

Ivanna Goodhump says...

This airline might be a "gem" but it is massively insolvent and the only thing preventing it from collapsing is a court order whilst an independant auditor assesses whether it has any future at all. They are loosing money hand over fist, the franchise agreement with Air Lingus is collapsing, their planes are all leased with the funders hungry for repossession.

The airline itself has no say in its future, it presents it's case as do the creditors and the court decides based on independent financial advice.

As the airline has no say in it's own future and it got itself into this mess then it's a bit rich them entering into a "deal" to operate flights from next March when (looking at the finances) they are unlikely to survive past next Tuesday.

Sorry if you don't like the truth, but this announcement is hardly groundbreaking and Stobart's are being a little disengenuous implying that it is.

If Stobarts can do a deal with an airline that is a going concern then, and only then is the time to celebrate.
This airline might be a "gem" but it is massively insolvent and the only thing preventing it from collapsing is a court order whilst an independant auditor assesses whether it has any future at all. They are loosing money hand over fist, the franchise agreement with Air Lingus is collapsing, their planes are all leased with the funders hungry for repossession. The airline itself has no say in its future, it presents it's case as do the creditors and the court decides based on independent financial advice. As the airline has no say in it's own future and it got itself into this mess then it's a bit rich them entering into a "deal" to operate flights from next March when (looking at the finances) they are unlikely to survive past next Tuesday. Sorry if you don't like the truth, but this announcement is hardly groundbreaking and Stobart's are being a little disengenuous implying that it is. If Stobarts can do a deal with an airline that is a going concern then, and only then is the time to celebrate. Ivanna Goodhump
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9:04pm Mon 11 Oct 10

el caballero de la noche says...

This is very good news for the airport development, also very good news for the locals who will be able to use the local facility.

However on another note and I am a supporter of the airport I was in a house in Mountdale Gardens the other day when a jet took off from the airport it flew over the house so low the house shook and what is one man's glory is another man's loss.

On a sad note the occupier has tried to sell the property and not been able to because of the future worry about aircraft noise.

Hopefully like other airports over time the worry has diminished and properties have sold.

I am pleased but feel slightly guilty about feeling pleased.
This is very good news for the airport development, also very good news for the locals who will be able to use the local facility. However on another note and I am a supporter of the airport I was in a house in Mountdale Gardens the other day when a jet took off from the airport it flew over the house so low the house shook and what is one man's glory is another man's loss. On a sad note the occupier has tried to sell the property and not been able to because of the future worry about aircraft noise. Hopefully like other airports over time the worry has diminished and properties have sold. I am pleased but feel slightly guilty about feeling pleased. el caballero de la noche
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9:32pm Mon 11 Oct 10

BASILBRUSH says...

Fantastic news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!
See you at the check in desk members of SAEN...! You know you'll use it one day! ;)
Fantastic news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! See you at the check in desk members of SAEN...! You know you'll use it one day! ;) BASILBRUSH
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9:53pm Mon 11 Oct 10

myhumbleopinion says...

Ivanna Goodhump wrote:
This airline might be a "gem" but it is massively insolvent and the only thing preventing it from collapsing is a court order whilst an independant auditor assesses whether it has any future at all. They are loosing money hand over fist, the franchise agreement with Air Lingus is collapsing, their planes are all leased with the funders hungry for repossession. The airline itself has no say in its future, it presents it's case as do the creditors and the court decides based on independent financial advice. As the airline has no say in it's own future and it got itself into this mess then it's a bit rich them entering into a "deal" to operate flights from next March when (looking at the finances) they are unlikely to survive past next Tuesday. Sorry if you don't like the truth, but this announcement is hardly groundbreaking and Stobart's are being a little disengenuous implying that it is. If Stobarts can do a deal with an airline that is a going concern then, and only then is the time to celebrate.
Please Ivanna get your facts right. The franchise agreement with Aer Lingus is NOT on the verge of the collapse. This agrement has been very sucessful as far as both parties are concerned. Yes, the airline leases their aircraft, but that does not mean the airline is not viable. FlyBE are doing very well at the moment. They lease the majority of their planes. As you said, the airline was indeed turning a profit only three years ago, before the financial crisis. The airline has proved that it can be profitible, and I am sure that it will do again. There are obvious economic benefits for the airline cutting non profitable routes and flying to Southend. This is a major breakthrough, and the airport shall become an even greater asset to the community.
[quote][p][bold]Ivanna Goodhump[/bold] wrote: This airline might be a "gem" but it is massively insolvent and the only thing preventing it from collapsing is a court order whilst an independant auditor assesses whether it has any future at all. They are loosing money hand over fist, the franchise agreement with Air Lingus is collapsing, their planes are all leased with the funders hungry for repossession. The airline itself has no say in its future, it presents it's case as do the creditors and the court decides based on independent financial advice. As the airline has no say in it's own future and it got itself into this mess then it's a bit rich them entering into a "deal" to operate flights from next March when (looking at the finances) they are unlikely to survive past next Tuesday. Sorry if you don't like the truth, but this announcement is hardly groundbreaking and Stobart's are being a little disengenuous implying that it is. If Stobarts can do a deal with an airline that is a going concern then, and only then is the time to celebrate.[/p][/quote]Please Ivanna get your facts right. The franchise agreement with Aer Lingus is NOT on the verge of the collapse. This agrement has been very sucessful as far as both parties are concerned. Yes, the airline leases their aircraft, but that does not mean the airline is not viable. FlyBE are doing very well at the moment. They lease the majority of their planes. As you said, the airline was indeed turning a profit only three years ago, before the financial crisis. The airline has proved that it can be profitible, and I am sure that it will do again. There are obvious economic benefits for the airline cutting non profitable routes and flying to Southend. This is a major breakthrough, and the airport shall become an even greater asset to the community. myhumbleopinion
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10:12pm Mon 11 Oct 10

jayman says...

everyone seems to be getting a little bit too excited over this. Southend airport is always going to be a small regional airport. I don't expect Heathrow type facilities. I do expect a few knackered old planes destined for other a*** end locations on a windswept runway. It would have made sense for Stobart to make it into a air/rail freight hub.
everyone seems to be getting a little bit too excited over this. Southend airport is always going to be a small regional airport. I don't expect Heathrow type facilities. I do expect a few knackered old planes destined for other a*** end locations on a windswept runway. It would have made sense for Stobart to make it into a air/rail freight hub. jayman
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10:32pm Mon 11 Oct 10

APR says...

emcee, Southend says...
7:05pm Mon 11 Oct 10

"....I believe it is the airline who has to have an "Airline Operators Licence/Certificate"

. In which case, as they are already a passenger carrying airline, Aer Arunn will already have one...."
.
That's the point I was making. In buying the airline, Stobart will now have that licence.
emcee, Southend says... 7:05pm Mon 11 Oct 10 "....I believe it is the airline who has to have an "Airline Operators Licence/Certificate" . In which case, as they are already a passenger carrying airline, Aer Arunn will already have one...." . That's the point I was making. In buying the airline, Stobart will now have that licence. APR
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11:17pm Mon 11 Oct 10

BASILBRUSH says...

Just a small point....Stobart have not bought Aer Arran. Stobart Group will invest €2.5m to incentivise and market Aer Arann's operation from Southend Airport as part of an overall investment with others.
Just a small point....Stobart have not bought Aer Arran. Stobart Group will invest €2.5m to incentivise and market Aer Arann's operation from Southend Airport as part of an overall investment with others. BASILBRUSH
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11:41pm Mon 11 Oct 10

emcee says...

APR wrote:
emcee, Southend says...
7:05pm Mon 11 Oct 10

"....I believe it is the airline who has to have an "Airline Operators Licence/Certificate"


. In which case, as they are already a passenger carrying airline, Aer Arunn will already have one...."
.
That's the point I was making. In buying the airline, Stobart will now have that licence.
Where does the report say they are "buying" the airline? It does, however, say that Stobart are spending €2.5 million to "incentivise and market".
Besides, if Stobart wanted to enter the airline business I do not suppose it would be too much trouble obtaining the apropriate operators licence. Why would they go to all the trouble of buying an already established airline just for this purpose?
[quote][p][bold]APR[/bold] wrote: emcee, Southend says... 7:05pm Mon 11 Oct 10 "....I believe it is the airline who has to have an "Airline Operators Licence/Certificate" . In which case, as they are already a passenger carrying airline, Aer Arunn will already have one...." . That's the point I was making. In buying the airline, Stobart will now have that licence.[/p][/quote]Where does the report say they are "buying" the airline? It does, however, say that Stobart are spending €2.5 million to "incentivise and market". Besides, if Stobart wanted to enter the airline business I do not suppose it would be too much trouble obtaining the apropriate operators licence. Why would they go to all the trouble of buying an already established airline just for this purpose? emcee
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9:20am Tue 12 Oct 10

Walt Jabsco says...

Fantastic - well done Eddie!
Fantastic - well done Eddie! Walt Jabsco
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10:18am Tue 12 Oct 10

BUNGIE says...

FANTASTIC ! I flew to Spain from Southend Airport in the 80s and my daughter went to what was then Yugoslavia. It was brilliant....free parking and from leaving plane to my door 30 mins !! I hope all goes well with these first deals then we can see more ..Thank you Stobarts!
FANTASTIC ! I flew to Spain from Southend Airport in the 80s and my daughter went to what was then Yugoslavia. It was brilliant....free parking and from leaving plane to my door 30 mins !! I hope all goes well with these first deals then we can see more ..Thank you Stobarts! BUNGIE
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11:03am Tue 12 Oct 10

r6keith says...

emcee wrote:
Good news. However, a deal involving a financially volatile airline will not install much confidence with passengers wanting to book flights with them. I fear Stobart have rushed into this deal just so they can start to actually show they have airlines who are interested in flying from Southend. I do hope, mind you, that now the ball has started to roll, other airlines will come forward to express an interest. Also, 300,000 passengers a year is only about eight aircrat a day (give or take) so it will be hardly a busy airport for passengers. This, in itself, will make it a pleasure to fly from.
Emcee.
I think Stobart are to smart and street wise to rush into anything, this is all part of the Stobart groups long term stratergy. As for me as a resident of Southend I welcome this news it can only be for the good wether you are looking for a job or to fly from Southend things are looking up.
[quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: Good news. However, a deal involving a financially volatile airline will not install much confidence with passengers wanting to book flights with them. I fear Stobart have rushed into this deal just so they can start to actually show they have airlines who are interested in flying from Southend. I do hope, mind you, that now the ball has started to roll, other airlines will come forward to express an interest. Also, 300,000 passengers a year is only about eight aircrat a day (give or take) so it will be hardly a busy airport for passengers. This, in itself, will make it a pleasure to fly from.[/p][/quote]Emcee. I think Stobart are to smart and street wise to rush into anything, this is all part of the Stobart groups long term stratergy. As for me as a resident of Southend I welcome this news it can only be for the good wether you are looking for a job or to fly from Southend things are looking up. r6keith
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11:04am Tue 12 Oct 10

DannyK86 says...

Ivanna Goodhump wrote:
Ivanna Goodhump wrote:
tophatdt wrote: Hopefully the first of a dozen or so new airlines and routes from Southend. Pity the first one found has already a financial problem but hope this new contract will strengthen their survival. I would like to see longhaul destinations advertised from Southend using transfer hubs like Amsterdam, Paris or Frankfurt. I already do this myself instead of using Heathrow. Any news on when the runway extension preparation work will start? Well done, Stobarts.
Aer Arran have suffered losses of 18million Euro's since 2008 and has a balance sheet deficit of 10m Euro. ~ The High Court in Dublin placed them in Examinership - which effectively just protects them from creditors (who are owed 72 million Euro) winding them up. Without this they would have gone pop and could still do so. This only happened in late August and before anyone gets too excited I suggest they read this : ~ http://archives.tcm. ie/businesspost/2010 /08/29/story51325.as p ~ This is not an airline that has just been affected by the Ash problems but a longstanding loss making company that is insolvent and save for Court protection would have ceased trading in August. ~ In fact the finances are so bad I am suprised that Ron Martin isn't involved !
Oh, and being an Irish low cost carrier - they have outside loos on the planes.... ~ A recent announcement on one of their flights went as follows : "an Aer Arran airliner was flying across the atlantic when, BOOM! The intercom came on 'sorry everyone we gonna be an hour or so late as one of our engines has broken. About 20 mins later, BOOM! 'dis is not a good day, sorry its happened again we gonna be another two hours late.' 20 mins later another BOOM! 'ok its all gonna be ok weve still got 1 engine left were just gonna be 10 or so hours late dats all' another two hours of slow flying when....BOOM ' oh **** were gonna be up here all night de way this is going.!!!!!!
Since when did low cost airlines operate 4 engined aircraft? Joke FAIL.
[quote][p][bold]Ivanna Goodhump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ivanna Goodhump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tophatdt[/bold] wrote: Hopefully the first of a dozen or so new airlines and routes from Southend. Pity the first one found has already a financial problem but hope this new contract will strengthen their survival. I would like to see longhaul destinations advertised from Southend using transfer hubs like Amsterdam, Paris or Frankfurt. I already do this myself instead of using Heathrow. Any news on when the runway extension preparation work will start? Well done, Stobarts.[/p][/quote]Aer Arran have suffered losses of 18million Euro's since 2008 and has a balance sheet deficit of 10m Euro. ~ The High Court in Dublin placed them in Examinership - which effectively just protects them from creditors (who are owed 72 million Euro) winding them up. Without this they would have gone pop and could still do so. This only happened in late August and before anyone gets too excited I suggest they read this : ~ http://archives.tcm. ie/businesspost/2010 /08/29/story51325.as p ~ This is not an airline that has just been affected by the Ash problems but a longstanding loss making company that is insolvent and save for Court protection would have ceased trading in August. ~ In fact the finances are so bad I am suprised that Ron Martin isn't involved ![/p][/quote]Oh, and being an Irish low cost carrier - they have outside loos on the planes.... ~ A recent announcement on one of their flights went as follows : "an Aer Arran airliner was flying across the atlantic when, BOOM! The intercom came on 'sorry everyone we gonna be an hour or so late as one of our engines has broken. About 20 mins later, BOOM! 'dis is not a good day, sorry its happened again we gonna be another two hours late.' 20 mins later another BOOM! 'ok its all gonna be ok weve still got 1 engine left were just gonna be 10 or so hours late dats all' another two hours of slow flying when....BOOM ' oh **** were gonna be up here all night de way this is going.!!!!!![/p][/quote]Since when did low cost airlines operate 4 engined aircraft? Joke FAIL. DannyK86
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11:09am Tue 12 Oct 10

DannyK86 says...

el caballero de la noche wrote:
This is very good news for the airport development, also very good news for the locals who will be able to use the local facility. However on another note and I am a supporter of the airport I was in a house in Mountdale Gardens the other day when a jet took off from the airport it flew over the house so low the house shook and what is one man's glory is another man's loss. On a sad note the occupier has tried to sell the property and not been able to because of the future worry about aircraft noise. Hopefully like other airports over time the worry has diminished and properties have sold. I am pleased but feel slightly guilty about feeling pleased.
I live in Mountdale Gardens and they've never bothered me. It's a joy to be out in the garden and see 'em go over :)
[quote][p][bold]el caballero de la noche[/bold] wrote: This is very good news for the airport development, also very good news for the locals who will be able to use the local facility. However on another note and I am a supporter of the airport I was in a house in Mountdale Gardens the other day when a jet took off from the airport it flew over the house so low the house shook and what is one man's glory is another man's loss. On a sad note the occupier has tried to sell the property and not been able to because of the future worry about aircraft noise. Hopefully like other airports over time the worry has diminished and properties have sold. I am pleased but feel slightly guilty about feeling pleased.[/p][/quote]I live in Mountdale Gardens and they've never bothered me. It's a joy to be out in the garden and see 'em go over :) DannyK86
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11:09am Tue 12 Oct 10

r6keith says...

el caballero de la noche wrote:
This is very good news for the airport development, also very good news for the locals who will be able to use the local facility. However on another note and I am a supporter of the airport I was in a house in Mountdale Gardens the other day when a jet took off from the airport it flew over the house so low the house shook and what is one man's glory is another man's loss. On a sad note the occupier has tried to sell the property and not been able to because of the future worry about aircraft noise. Hopefully like other airports over time the worry has diminished and properties have sold. I am pleased but feel slightly guilty about feeling pleased.
Maybe he could not sell his house because he had not priced it in line with current national market trends which is downwards priced right all property sells...............
..
[quote][p][bold]el caballero de la noche[/bold] wrote: This is very good news for the airport development, also very good news for the locals who will be able to use the local facility. However on another note and I am a supporter of the airport I was in a house in Mountdale Gardens the other day when a jet took off from the airport it flew over the house so low the house shook and what is one man's glory is another man's loss. On a sad note the occupier has tried to sell the property and not been able to because of the future worry about aircraft noise. Hopefully like other airports over time the worry has diminished and properties have sold. I am pleased but feel slightly guilty about feeling pleased.[/p][/quote]Maybe he could not sell his house because he had not priced it in line with current national market trends which is downwards priced right all property sells............... .. r6keith
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11:16am Tue 12 Oct 10

r6keith says...

Nimbys : Are you moving on its in the garden ? At least you can now fly out !
Nimbys : Are you moving on its in the garden ? At least you can now fly out ! r6keith
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11:58am Tue 12 Oct 10

anon anon says...

Alice in Her Own Land :P wrote:
Southend Airport is becoming a proper Airport. Well done to all concerned. The station looks good and it's all coming together. A long time coming and it can only be a good thing. (Just glad I don't live near the flight path, but then I didn't choose to live near an airport).
one of the best quotes for a long while re the airport, especially the part that reads '(Just glad I don't live near the flight path, but then I didn't choose to live near an airport).
))))))))))))))))))))
)))))))))))))
[quote][p][bold]Alice in Her Own Land :P[/bold] wrote: Southend Airport is becoming a proper Airport. Well done to all concerned. The station looks good and it's all coming together. A long time coming and it can only be a good thing. (Just glad I don't live near the flight path, but then I didn't choose to live near an airport).[/p][/quote]one of the best quotes for a long while re the airport, especially the part that reads '(Just glad I don't live near the flight path, but then I didn't choose to live near an airport). )))))))))))))))))))) ))))))))))))) anon anon
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2:44pm Tue 12 Oct 10

tophatdt says...

whilst once again we are trending to get away from the main subject "new business attracted to the airport" anybody buying a property during the past 30 years within 4 miles of the airport does take a risk in the future that it will expend, so stop moaning, or move away now while it's still quiet.
whilst once again we are trending to get away from the main subject "new business attracted to the airport" anybody buying a property during the past 30 years within 4 miles of the airport does take a risk in the future that it will expend, so stop moaning, or move away now while it's still quiet. tophatdt
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3:14pm Tue 12 Oct 10

SENSIBLEMAN says...

Another airport for the muslims to attack cos the security wont be like heathrow or gatwick..
Another airport for the muslims to attack cos the security wont be like heathrow or gatwick.. SENSIBLEMAN
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3:36pm Tue 12 Oct 10

r6keith says...

SENSIBLEMAN wrote:
Another airport for the muslims to attack cos the security wont be like heathrow or gatwick..
Pointless racist comment ! What about all the other regional airports around the country ? SENSIBLEMAN is that the most constructive/sensibl
e thing you have to say about this good news ?
[quote][p][bold]SENSIBLEMAN[/bold] wrote: Another airport for the muslims to attack cos the security wont be like heathrow or gatwick..[/p][/quote]Pointless racist comment ! What about all the other regional airports around the country ? SENSIBLEMAN is that the most constructive/sensibl e thing you have to say about this good news ? r6keith
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3:40pm Tue 12 Oct 10

anon anon says...

SENSIBLEMAN wrote:
Another airport for the muslims to attack cos the security wont be like heathrow or gatwick..
idiot
[quote][p][bold]SENSIBLEMAN[/bold] wrote: Another airport for the muslims to attack cos the security wont be like heathrow or gatwick..[/p][/quote]idiot anon anon
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4:06pm Tue 12 Oct 10

Mary Lou says...

SENSIBLEMAN wrote:
Another airport for the muslims to attack cos the security wont be like heathrow or gatwick..
So what about the tube, railways, ships, shopping centres, theatres, basically anywhere there are people.
.
We cannot live our lives wrapped in security scanners and such.If we change our lifestyles the terrorist has won.
[quote][p][bold]SENSIBLEMAN[/bold] wrote: Another airport for the muslims to attack cos the security wont be like heathrow or gatwick..[/p][/quote]So what about the tube, railways, ships, shopping centres, theatres, basically anywhere there are people. . We cannot live our lives wrapped in security scanners and such.If we change our lifestyles the terrorist has won. Mary Lou
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4:31pm Tue 12 Oct 10

Ivanna Goodhump says...

r6keith wrote:
SENSIBLEMAN wrote: Another airport for the muslims to attack cos the security wont be like heathrow or gatwick..
Pointless racist comment ! What about all the other regional airports around the country ? SENSIBLEMAN is that the most constructive/sensibl e thing you have to say about this good news ?
It's not a racist comment. A Muslim is a member of a religon not a race of people.
[quote][p][bold]r6keith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SENSIBLEMAN[/bold] wrote: Another airport for the muslims to attack cos the security wont be like heathrow or gatwick..[/p][/quote]Pointless racist comment ! What about all the other regional airports around the country ? SENSIBLEMAN is that the most constructive/sensibl e thing you have to say about this good news ?[/p][/quote]It's not a racist comment. A Muslim is a member of a religon not a race of people. Ivanna Goodhump
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4:31pm Tue 12 Oct 10

Last Poster says...

All I can say is "Put me down for a seat please." This is great for not only will I be supporting someone who still knows how to run a business (very rare these days) but it will save that wicked drive to Stanport. I bet the parking will be fairer too. Plus, my sister will be able to get here from Ireland in no time short. All of you who arrived around the airport since it opened? well, you could always go back from whence you came if you really don't like it!
All I can say is "Put me down for a seat please." This is great for not only will I be supporting someone who still knows how to run a business (very rare these days) but it will save that wicked drive to Stanport. I bet the parking will be fairer too. Plus, my sister will be able to get here from Ireland in no time short. All of you who arrived around the airport since it opened? well, you could always go back from whence you came if you really don't like it! Last Poster
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4:33pm Tue 12 Oct 10

Ivanna Goodhump says...

It's not a racist comment. A Muslim is an adherent of the religion of Islam - it is not a race of people.
It's not a racist comment. A Muslim is an adherent of the religion of Islam - it is not a race of people. Ivanna Goodhump
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6:50pm Tue 12 Oct 10

r6keith says...

Ivanna Goodhump wrote:
It's not a racist comment. A Muslim is an adherent of the religion of Islam - it is not a race of people.
its definitely ist of some sort ! and an offence to most Muslims.
[quote][p][bold]Ivanna Goodhump[/bold] wrote: It's not a racist comment. A Muslim is an adherent of the religion of Islam - it is not a race of people.[/p][/quote]its definitely ist of some sort ! and an offence to most Muslims. r6keith
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6:52pm Tue 12 Oct 10

r6keith says...

Mary Lou wrote:
SENSIBLEMAN wrote: Another airport for the muslims to attack cos the security wont be like heathrow or gatwick..
So what about the tube, railways, ships, shopping centres, theatres, basically anywhere there are people. . We cannot live our lives wrapped in security scanners and such.If we change our lifestyles the terrorist has won.
Well put Mary Lou..
[quote][p][bold]Mary Lou[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SENSIBLEMAN[/bold] wrote: Another airport for the muslims to attack cos the security wont be like heathrow or gatwick..[/p][/quote]So what about the tube, railways, ships, shopping centres, theatres, basically anywhere there are people. . We cannot live our lives wrapped in security scanners and such.If we change our lifestyles the terrorist has won.[/p][/quote]Well put Mary Lou.. r6keith
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7:16pm Tue 12 Oct 10

APR says...

Ivanna Goodhump wrote:
It's not a racist comment. A Muslim is an adherent of the religion of Islam - it is not a race of people.
Indeed, and those who say it's an insult to Muslims, how many of them have they asked ?
Or are they making assumptions ?

Taking offence by proxy ?
[quote][p][bold]Ivanna Goodhump[/bold] wrote: It's not a racist comment. A Muslim is an adherent of the religion of Islam - it is not a race of people.[/p][/quote]Indeed, and those who say it's an insult to Muslims, how many of them have they asked ? Or are they making assumptions ? Taking offence by proxy ? APR
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7:58pm Tue 12 Oct 10

tophatdt says...

Don't start writing about Muslims/Islam on this airport debate. Most of us seem to be in favour of the new routes from the airport. Mind you, I'd never buy a house beside any potential bomb makers.
Beside an airport is much safer.
Don't start writing about Muslims/Islam on this airport debate. Most of us seem to be in favour of the new routes from the airport. Mind you, I'd never buy a house beside any potential bomb makers. Beside an airport is much safer. tophatdt
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9:57pm Tue 12 Oct 10

BASILBRUSH says...

If you have visited or driven past the airport recently you would also notice the extensive fencing that has appeared over the past year.
The DFT for a start would be on top of any Airport (especially one modernising) at this moment with the current level of threat to the UK and Europe.
Sensibleman (strange choice of name), Southend would have to conform to the same level of security as all Airports in the UK as a minimum.
I wouldn't feel any different flying from Southend than Heathrow in terms of security. In fact by the sheer volume of people using Heathrow, the odds of missing something are 'probably' increased.
The biggest difference will be the convenience in using an Airport less than 3 miles from my front door and with far less people to navigate through even at their peak.


Bliss!
If you have visited or driven past the airport recently you would also notice the extensive fencing that has appeared over the past year. The DFT for a start would be on top of any Airport (especially one modernising) at this moment with the current level of threat to the UK and Europe. Sensibleman (strange choice of name), Southend would have to conform to the same level of security as all Airports in the UK as a minimum. I wouldn't feel any different flying from Southend than Heathrow in terms of security. In fact by the sheer volume of people using Heathrow, the odds of missing something are 'probably' increased. The biggest difference will be the convenience in using an Airport less than 3 miles from my front door and with far less people to navigate through even at their peak. Bliss! BASILBRUSH
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12:50am Wed 13 Oct 10

heartbeat says...

Brilliant news for the town and for everyone who likes to jet off for the odd break - like some others I have flown from Southend airport to Jersey and Spain (think it was the Costa Brava),must have been in the early 80s. A much more pleasant experience than the fraught trip to Gatwick or Stansted. A breeze in fact! Can't wait - this really will help Southend acquire a new image as the town's name will become associated with an airport rather than the usual tired old cliches.

Well done Stobart!
Brilliant news for the town and for everyone who likes to jet off for the odd break - like some others I have flown from Southend airport to Jersey and Spain (think it was the Costa Brava),must have been in the early 80s. A much more pleasant experience than the fraught trip to Gatwick or Stansted. A breeze in fact! Can't wait - this really will help Southend acquire a new image as the town's name will become associated with an airport rather than the usual tired old cliches. Well done Stobart! heartbeat
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11:05am Wed 13 Oct 10

06/24 says...

The 2.2m invested by stobart, will be back in his pocket pretty soon with the landing fee's that the airline will have to pay - self serving i think.. give em money, get them out of debt, then get the money back via landing fees and have the bonus of selling the shares at a later date... not bad
The 2.2m invested by stobart, will be back in his pocket pretty soon with the landing fee's that the airline will have to pay - self serving i think.. give em money, get them out of debt, then get the money back via landing fees and have the bonus of selling the shares at a later date... not bad 06/24
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11:47am Wed 13 Oct 10

margrete says...

I'm delighted that there are so many - mainly - positive comments.

Stobart is a successful English company and I'm sure they know what they're doing.

I hear so many negative comments around where I live - the new control tower 'is an eyesore', 'they can see into our bedroom window from there' - yes, really!

I have been saying for years that the airport cannot stay as it is - the land is worth far more. As for noisy aircraft, the little buzzy club planes are often noisier than the bigger ones which are usually up and gone before you know it.

We've been up to Yorkshire at the weekend, a 250-mile drive, it took ages to get home on Sunday and to get there on Friday. And we've been to Ireland - drive to Swansea, overnight ferry crossing to Cork. It would be much quicker to fly and hire a car at the other end.

I am bored stiff with all the nay-sayers around here. I think the developments are long overdue and are exciting.
I'm delighted that there are so many - mainly - positive comments. Stobart is a successful English company and I'm sure they know what they're doing. I hear so many negative comments around where I live - the new control tower 'is an eyesore', 'they can see into our bedroom window from there' - yes, really! I have been saying for years that the airport cannot stay as it is - the land is worth far more. As for noisy aircraft, the little buzzy club planes are often noisier than the bigger ones which are usually up and gone before you know it. We've been up to Yorkshire at the weekend, a 250-mile drive, it took ages to get home on Sunday and to get there on Friday. And we've been to Ireland - drive to Swansea, overnight ferry crossing to Cork. It would be much quicker to fly and hire a car at the other end. I am bored stiff with all the nay-sayers around here. I think the developments are long overdue and are exciting. margrete
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2:51pm Wed 13 Oct 10

Thames Gateway says...

If people don't like little buzzy planes, you should all have a look at the application to allow unrestricted little buzzy planes at an airfiel to be between Barling Magna and L.little Wakering.
See: http://publicaccess.
rochford.gov.uk/publ
icaccess/tdc/DcAppli
cation/application_s
earchresults.aspx for the details.
If people don't like little buzzy planes, you should all have a look at the application to allow unrestricted little buzzy planes at an airfiel to be between Barling Magna and L.little Wakering. See: http://publicaccess. rochford.gov.uk/publ icaccess/tdc/DcAppli cation/application_s earchresults.aspx for the details. Thames Gateway
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2:56pm Wed 13 Oct 10

Thames Gateway says...

Sorry wrong link!

You need this page: http://publicaccess.
rochford.gov.uk/publ
icaccess/tdc/DcAppli
cation/application_s
earchform.aspx

and then type in the application number below:

The planning application number is 10/00333/LDC.
Sorry wrong link! You need this page: http://publicaccess. rochford.gov.uk/publ icaccess/tdc/DcAppli cation/application_s earchform.aspx and then type in the application number below: The planning application number is 10/00333/LDC. Thames Gateway
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3:06pm Wed 13 Oct 10

margrete says...

I didn't say I minded the little buzzy planes!
I didn't say I minded the little buzzy planes! margrete
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4:31pm Wed 13 Oct 10

Mary Lou says...

06/24 wrote:
The 2.2m invested by stobart, will be back in his pocket pretty soon with the landing fee's that the airline will have to pay - self serving i think.. give em money, get them out of debt, then get the money back via landing fees and have the bonus of selling the shares at a later date... not bad
If that is so what is wrong with that. Are you saying the money should have been a gift, free and gratis. I think your business accumen is somewhat lacking.
[quote][p][bold]06/24[/bold] wrote: The 2.2m invested by stobart, will be back in his pocket pretty soon with the landing fee's that the airline will have to pay - self serving i think.. give em money, get them out of debt, then get the money back via landing fees and have the bonus of selling the shares at a later date... not bad[/p][/quote]If that is so what is wrong with that. Are you saying the money should have been a gift, free and gratis. I think your business accumen is somewhat lacking. Mary Lou
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8:49pm Wed 13 Oct 10

FedUpWithSouthendCouncil says...

j-w wrote:
tophatdt, Work on the Eastwoodbury Lane diversion has already started, work on the runway extension itself will start once the new road is open and the moved public areas are reinstated.
Any the people who are losing their homes are kicked out, or have you forgotten them?
[quote][p][bold]j-w[/bold] wrote: tophatdt, Work on the Eastwoodbury Lane diversion has already started, work on the runway extension itself will start once the new road is open and the moved public areas are reinstated.[/p][/quote]Any the people who are losing their homes are kicked out, or have you forgotten them? FedUpWithSouthendCouncil
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8:58pm Wed 13 Oct 10

FedUpWithSouthendCouncil says...

Last Poster wrote:
All I can say is "Put me down for a seat please." This is great for not only will I be supporting someone who still knows how to run a business (very rare these days) but it will save that wicked drive to Stanport. I bet the parking will be fairer too. Plus, my sister will be able to get here from Ireland in no time short. All of you who arrived around the airport since it opened? well, you could always go back from whence you came if you really don't like it!
Our family have lived in the area since 1963. This expansion may be great for your sister, but is not helping mine.

She & my nephew are going to be made homeless, & Southend Council have told her the best they can expect is a room in a hostel for at least a year.

Plus she'll have to get rid of her dogs because they're not allowed in hostels & "Everyone has to make sacrifices!"

Although why the hell she should have to make sacrifices, to make life more convenient for others is completely beyond me.
[quote][p][bold]Last Poster[/bold] wrote: All I can say is "Put me down for a seat please." This is great for not only will I be supporting someone who still knows how to run a business (very rare these days) but it will save that wicked drive to Stanport. I bet the parking will be fairer too. Plus, my sister will be able to get here from Ireland in no time short. All of you who arrived around the airport since it opened? well, you could always go back from whence you came if you really don't like it![/p][/quote]Our family have lived in the area since 1963. This expansion may be great for your sister, but is not helping mine. She & my nephew are going to be made homeless, & Southend Council have told her the best they can expect is a room in a hostel for at least a year. Plus she'll have to get rid of her dogs because they're not allowed in hostels & "Everyone has to make sacrifices!" Although why the hell she should have to make sacrifices, to make life more convenient for others is completely beyond me. FedUpWithSouthendCouncil
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9:03pm Wed 13 Oct 10

BASILBRUSH says...

FedUpWithSouthendCou
ncil
wrote:
j-w wrote: tophatdt, Work on the Eastwoodbury Lane diversion has already started, work on the runway extension itself will start once the new road is open and the moved public areas are reinstated.
Any the people who are losing their homes are kicked out, or have you forgotten them?
Out of interest FUWSC, do you speak as a resident of the cottages that will be demolished, or on behalf of the residents officially?
Or are you assuming the feelings of the residents as a self confessed hater of the council?
[quote][p][bold]FedUpWithSouthendCou ncil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]j-w[/bold] wrote: tophatdt, Work on the Eastwoodbury Lane diversion has already started, work on the runway extension itself will start once the new road is open and the moved public areas are reinstated.[/p][/quote]Any the people who are losing their homes are kicked out, or have you forgotten them?[/p][/quote]Out of interest FUWSC, do you speak as a resident of the cottages that will be demolished, or on behalf of the residents officially? Or are you assuming the feelings of the residents as a self confessed hater of the council? BASILBRUSH
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9:10pm Wed 13 Oct 10

BASILBRUSH says...

You posted at the same time as my reponse... It's sad for you Sister and nephew and hopefully the council will find something more suitable, but do you not think it's unrealistic to stop the extra employment and long term investment in the area for one tennent (assuming from your post they are not the owners)?.... Realistically?
You posted at the same time as my reponse... It's sad for you Sister and nephew and hopefully the council will find something more suitable, but do you not think it's unrealistic to stop the extra employment and long term investment in the area for one tennent (assuming from your post they are not the owners)?.... Realistically? BASILBRUSH
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9:13pm Wed 13 Oct 10

FedUpWithSouthendCouncil says...

BASILBRUSH wrote:
FedUpWithSouthendCou

ncil
wrote:
j-w wrote: tophatdt, Work on the Eastwoodbury Lane diversion has already started, work on the runway extension itself will start once the new road is open and the moved public areas are reinstated.
Any the people who are losing their homes are kicked out, or have you forgotten them?
Out of interest FUWSC, do you speak as a resident of the cottages that will be demolished, or on behalf of the residents officially?
Or are you assuming the feelings of the residents as a self confessed hater of the council?
If you read my post above yours you'll see, where my comments are coming from.

I believe most of those who own the cottages & smallholdings have now come to some agreement with the Airport.

Unfortunately if you're a tenant, nobody wants to know.

Not the Airport & not Southend Council
[quote][p][bold]BASILBRUSH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FedUpWithSouthendCou ncil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]j-w[/bold] wrote: tophatdt, Work on the Eastwoodbury Lane diversion has already started, work on the runway extension itself will start once the new road is open and the moved public areas are reinstated.[/p][/quote]Any the people who are losing their homes are kicked out, or have you forgotten them?[/p][/quote]Out of interest FUWSC, do you speak as a resident of the cottages that will be demolished, or on behalf of the residents officially? Or are you assuming the feelings of the residents as a self confessed hater of the council?[/p][/quote]If you read my post above yours you'll see, where my comments are coming from. I believe most of those who own the cottages & smallholdings have now come to some agreement with the Airport. Unfortunately if you're a tenant, nobody wants to know. Not the Airport & not Southend Council FedUpWithSouthendCouncil
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9:20pm Wed 13 Oct 10

jayman says...

in the future, progress will remove the demand for graves and grave yards. when you die you they will simply brick up the 6'x3'x2' home you live in.... or according to SBC current housing directive the dimensions listed should be adequate to house a three child family...
in the future, progress will remove the demand for graves and grave yards. when you die you they will simply brick up the 6'x3'x2' home you live in.... or according to SBC current housing directive the dimensions listed should be adequate to house a three child family... jayman
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9:20pm Wed 13 Oct 10

FedUpWithSouthendCouncil says...

BASILBRUSH wrote:
You posted at the same time as my reponse... It's sad for you Sister and nephew and hopefully the council will find something more suitable, but do you not think it's unrealistic to stop the extra employment and long term investment in the area for one tennent (assuming from your post they are not the owners)?.... Realistically?
If the Council were prepared to help them with housing, as you would expect, & as she was led to believe by the Airport, I'd have no problem.

But they made it plain today when she went there that they are not interested in helping her. Apparently they have 4,000 people on their list so my sister & nephew are not a high priority.

All the airport have said is "Maybe something toward moving costs"

Precious little good if you've got nowhere to move to!

Hence my choice of username.
[quote][p][bold]BASILBRUSH[/bold] wrote: You posted at the same time as my reponse... It's sad for you Sister and nephew and hopefully the council will find something more suitable, but do you not think it's unrealistic to stop the extra employment and long term investment in the area for one tennent (assuming from your post they are not the owners)?.... Realistically?[/p][/quote]If the Council were prepared to help them with housing, as you would expect, & as she was led to believe by the Airport, I'd have no problem. But they made it plain today when she went there that they are not interested in helping her. Apparently they have 4,000 people on their list so my sister & nephew are not a high priority. All the airport have said is "Maybe something toward moving costs" Precious little good if you've got nowhere to move to! Hence my choice of username. FedUpWithSouthendCouncil
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9:43pm Wed 13 Oct 10

BASILBRUSH says...

As I said, we seemed to have posted at the same time.
I was a tennant for many years before I was fortunate enough to be able to buy. If I was in this situation and still within the tenancy period, I would expect the landlord to help (whether thats council or private you didnt say).
I dont see how the Airport company itself would be liable, as it's the owner (as you say) that is actually losing asset (the property) and is being compensated.

For what it's worth good luck anyway. I still see this as fantastic news for the area as a whole.
As I said, we seemed to have posted at the same time. I was a tennant for many years before I was fortunate enough to be able to buy. If I was in this situation and still within the tenancy period, I would expect the landlord to help (whether thats council or private you didnt say). I dont see how the Airport company itself would be liable, as it's the owner (as you say) that is actually losing asset (the property) and is being compensated. For what it's worth good luck anyway. I still see this as fantastic news for the area as a whole. BASILBRUSH
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7:53am Thu 14 Oct 10

Norfolk says...

Nobody supports more strongly than I the expansion of the airport and the employment it will bring, but I think it is a poor show if FedUp etc.'s story is correct.
I'm not sure I agree with BASILBRUSH that the airport shouldn't try to alleviate the problem. OK, it's not their legal responsibility, but they are the cause of the eviction after all so if SBC are only offering totally unreasonable alternative accommodation Stobarts should at least consider more tangible help than just "moving costs".
I'll be disappointed if they don't do something, assuming the facts are as presented.
Nobody supports more strongly than I the expansion of the airport and the employment it will bring, but I think it is a poor show if FedUp etc.'s story is correct. I'm not sure I agree with BASILBRUSH that the airport shouldn't try to alleviate the problem. OK, it's not their legal responsibility, but they are the cause of the eviction after all so if SBC are only offering totally unreasonable alternative accommodation Stobarts should at least consider more tangible help than just "moving costs". I'll be disappointed if they don't do something, assuming the facts are as presented. Norfolk
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9:00am Thu 14 Oct 10

r6keith says...

I assume that the residents that have to move because thier houses are to be demolished are paying rent. Is this rent to a private Landlord ? Why do the evicted residents just not move to another private rented house flat etc there are plenty in the area ? If they have been in the dwelling as long as you claim they must be good tenants so getting references etc should be easy. If they are private sector residents why are they going to the council to be rehomed ?
I assume that the residents that have to move because thier houses are to be demolished are paying rent. Is this rent to a private Landlord ? Why do the evicted residents just not move to another private rented house flat etc there are plenty in the area ? If they have been in the dwelling as long as you claim they must be good tenants so getting references etc should be easy. If they are private sector residents why are they going to the council to be rehomed ? r6keith
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9:15am Thu 14 Oct 10

j-w says...

FedUpWithSouthendCou
ncil
wrote:
j-w wrote:
tophatdt, Work on the Eastwoodbury Lane diversion has already started, work on the runway extension itself will start once the new road is open and the moved public areas are reinstated.
Any the people who are losing their homes are kicked out, or have you forgotten them?
sorry I can't answer your question as I do not have a clue what you are asking.
[quote][p][bold]FedUpWithSouthendCou ncil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]j-w[/bold] wrote: tophatdt, Work on the Eastwoodbury Lane diversion has already started, work on the runway extension itself will start once the new road is open and the moved public areas are reinstated.[/p][/quote]Any the people who are losing their homes are kicked out, or have you forgotten them?[/p][/quote]sorry I can't answer your question as I do not have a clue what you are asking. j-w
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9:53am Thu 14 Oct 10

BASILBRUSH says...

Norfolk wrote:
Nobody supports more strongly than I the expansion of the airport and the employment it will bring, but I think it is a poor show if FedUp etc.'s story is correct.
I'm not sure I agree with BASILBRUSH that the airport shouldn't try to alleviate the problem. OK, it's not their legal responsibility, but they are the cause of the eviction after all so if SBC are only offering totally unreasonable alternative accommodation Stobarts should at least consider more tangible help than just "moving costs".
I'll be disappointed if they don't do something, assuming the facts are as presented.
As you pointed out Norfolk. According to FUWSC the airport may offer to help with moving costs. But what else can they/should they do? If that is true, its probably over and above their responsibility, and therefore already a goodwill gesture. It's the landlord that should compensate if they are cutting short the tenancy. But without knowing the full facts about the original agreement, how long they have been there with the current plans in the pipeline etc. It's probably better to leave it to the people involved rather than us sign cheques on behalf of the Airport or council.
[quote][p][bold]Norfolk[/bold] wrote: Nobody supports more strongly than I the expansion of the airport and the employment it will bring, but I think it is a poor show if FedUp etc.'s story is correct. I'm not sure I agree with BASILBRUSH that the airport shouldn't try to alleviate the problem. OK, it's not their legal responsibility, but they are the cause of the eviction after all so if SBC are only offering totally unreasonable alternative accommodation Stobarts should at least consider more tangible help than just "moving costs". I'll be disappointed if they don't do something, assuming the facts are as presented.[/p][/quote]As you pointed out Norfolk. According to FUWSC the airport may offer to help with moving costs. But what else can they/should they do? If that is true, its probably over and above their responsibility, and therefore already a goodwill gesture. It's the landlord that should compensate if they are cutting short the tenancy. But without knowing the full facts about the original agreement, how long they have been there with the current plans in the pipeline etc. It's probably better to leave it to the people involved rather than us sign cheques on behalf of the Airport or council. BASILBRUSH
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10:45am Thu 14 Oct 10

Norfolk says...

Basil, I'm not for a minute trying to write a cheque on behalf of the airport or anyone else and I'm not suggesting they have any legal responsibility in the matter. They clearly don't.
If the tenant has a private landlord then I agree with r6keith they should be able to find a new private rental property, so end of story. But are they an SBC tenant as I thought the smallholdings were Council owned? If so and the Council is offering only hostel type accomodation, and are legally able to get away with that, then I still say that the airport could consider how they might be able to help.
Perhaps FUWSC could clarify if their sister is a private or Council tenant, and if the former why she cannot rent an alternative property in the area.
Basil, I'm not for a minute trying to write a cheque on behalf of the airport or anyone else and I'm not suggesting they have any legal responsibility in the matter. They clearly don't. If the tenant has a private landlord then I agree with r6keith they should be able to find a new private rental property, so end of story. But are they an SBC tenant as I thought the smallholdings were Council owned? If so and the Council is offering only hostel type accomodation, and are legally able to get away with that, then I still say that the airport could consider how they might be able to help. Perhaps FUWSC could clarify if their sister is a private or Council tenant, and if the former why she cannot rent an alternative property in the area. Norfolk
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12:22pm Thu 14 Oct 10

emcee says...

Re. Fedup...'s post.
If a tenant is renting from a private landlord and is still bound by an assured shorthold tenancy agreement (nearly all are these days), a landlord cannot remove said tenant until said agreement has ended (agreements are for either 6 or 12 months). However, if the original agreement has ended and a new one not signed, and the tenant is on a "rolling" or "periodic" agreement (month to month etc...), then the landlord needs to give two months notice to quit at which time it is the tenant who must find alternative accommodation (landlords may assist in this but it is not necessarily an obligation). The council will not help unless the person has been made homeless through no fault of their own an even then may only provide minimal accommodation and place said person on the council waiting list. Only a council tenant can expect suitable alternative accommodation to be provided.
Re. Fedup...'s post. If a tenant is renting from a private landlord and is still bound by an assured shorthold tenancy agreement (nearly all are these days), a landlord cannot remove said tenant until said agreement has ended (agreements are for either 6 or 12 months). However, if the original agreement has ended and a new one not signed, and the tenant is on a "rolling" or "periodic" agreement (month to month etc...), then the landlord needs to give two months notice to quit at which time it is the tenant who must find alternative accommodation (landlords may assist in this but it is not necessarily an obligation). The council will not help unless the person has been made homeless through no fault of their own an even then may only provide minimal accommodation and place said person on the council waiting list. Only a council tenant can expect suitable alternative accommodation to be provided. emcee
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3:59pm Thu 14 Oct 10

jayman says...

the small holdings where linked to ww1 as a rehabilitation programme after the war. every occupant was given a patch of land to tend and garden. its a shame like the destruction of the York road market. oh well progress vs history.
the small holdings where linked to ww1 as a rehabilitation programme after the war. every occupant was given a patch of land to tend and garden. its a shame like the destruction of the York road market. oh well progress vs history. jayman
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6:40am Fri 15 Oct 10

FedUpWithSouthendCouncil says...

r6keith wrote:
I assume that the residents that have to move because thier houses are to be demolished are paying rent. Is this rent to a private Landlord ? Why do the evicted residents just not move to another private rented house flat etc there are plenty in the area ? If they have been in the dwelling as long as you claim they must be good tenants so getting references etc should be easy. If they are private sector residents why are they going to the council to be rehomed ?
Privately rented, they have been in that property well over 10 years.

She is searching, it was the airport who led her to believe that the council would rehome her.

To rent an equivalent property will cost between 50% & 100% more in rent a month.
Plus a deposit of one or 2 months rent will need to be found in advance.

Nearly all lets these days are short term, so in 6 or 12 months, she could easily find herself in exactly the same position, especially if there is an upturn in the housing market, & many who bought to let as an investment, get out while they have the chance.

Many rented properties will not allow pets, even if she was willing to rehome her dogs, the elder one is nearly 10 & has had an operation for cancer, the cat is 15 & has a heart defect, so it would be a likely death sentance for both them.

So still a hell of a price to pay, to make it more convenient for other people to go on their Jollys!
[quote][p][bold]r6keith[/bold] wrote: I assume that the residents that have to move because thier houses are to be demolished are paying rent. Is this rent to a private Landlord ? Why do the evicted residents just not move to another private rented house flat etc there are plenty in the area ? If they have been in the dwelling as long as you claim they must be good tenants so getting references etc should be easy. If they are private sector residents why are they going to the council to be rehomed ?[/p][/quote]Privately rented, they have been in that property well over 10 years. She is searching, it was the airport who led her to believe that the council would rehome her. To rent an equivalent property will cost between 50% & 100% more in rent a month. Plus a deposit of one or 2 months rent will need to be found in advance. Nearly all lets these days are short term, so in 6 or 12 months, she could easily find herself in exactly the same position, especially if there is an upturn in the housing market, & many who bought to let as an investment, get out while they have the chance. Many rented properties will not allow pets, even if she was willing to rehome her dogs, the elder one is nearly 10 & has had an operation for cancer, the cat is 15 & has a heart defect, so it would be a likely death sentance for both them. So still a hell of a price to pay, to make it more convenient for other people to go on their Jollys! FedUpWithSouthendCouncil
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12:06pm Fri 15 Oct 10

mrttev says...

that great news .i am sure another airline will watch and wait if air arran doing well then start muscle in ! i wonder what plane can southend airport handle it with full weight ?
that great news .i am sure another airline will watch and wait if air arran doing well then start muscle in ! i wonder what plane can southend airport handle it with full weight ? mrttev
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12:37pm Fri 15 Oct 10

mrttev says...

FedUpWithSouthendCou
ncil
wrote:
j-w wrote: tophatdt, Work on the Eastwoodbury Lane diversion has already started, work on the runway extension itself will start once the new road is open and the moved public areas are reinstated.
Any the people who are losing their homes are kicked out, or have you forgotten them?
how many home is set to demolition ? but i suspect it is one house near the runway beacon light ?
[quote][p][bold]FedUpWithSouthendCou ncil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]j-w[/bold] wrote: tophatdt, Work on the Eastwoodbury Lane diversion has already started, work on the runway extension itself will start once the new road is open and the moved public areas are reinstated.[/p][/quote]Any the people who are losing their homes are kicked out, or have you forgotten them?[/p][/quote]how many home is set to demolition ? but i suspect it is one house near the runway beacon light ? mrttev
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1:28pm Fri 15 Oct 10

j-w says...

6. I believe, the 4 terraced cottages on the bend and the two smallholdings opposite the chuch.
6. I believe, the 4 terraced cottages on the bend and the two smallholdings opposite the chuch. j-w
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7:00pm Fri 15 Oct 10

BASILBRUSH says...

mrttev have a look at www.flysouthend2012.
com, it gives video presentations of the extension and also explains the Aircraft types that could use Southend.... A319 and smaller with passengers.

Fedup, I don't think anybody doesn't feel for your sisters situation, but the works are not just to make it more convenient for people to go off on their jollys abroad. Its much more important than that.
The extension safeguards the jobs already at the airport, it creates more jobs for the airport and will encourage other much need investment and employment in the area.
Business and pleasure users are likely to use the Airport in time.
Sadly you sister and Nephew are affected, but the expansion has been on the agenda for over 10 years and unfortunately everybody whether renting or buying in the past 10 years have been affected by over inflated property prices.
I hope her landlord is able to help her out, or maybe someone reading knows of somewhere long term that may be suitable.

Good luck!
mrttev have a look at www.flysouthend2012. com, it gives video presentations of the extension and also explains the Aircraft types that could use Southend.... A319 and smaller with passengers. Fedup, I don't think anybody doesn't feel for your sisters situation, but the works are not just to make it more convenient for people to go off on their jollys abroad. Its much more important than that. The extension safeguards the jobs already at the airport, it creates more jobs for the airport and will encourage other much need investment and employment in the area. Business and pleasure users are likely to use the Airport in time. Sadly you sister and Nephew are affected, but the expansion has been on the agenda for over 10 years and unfortunately everybody whether renting or buying in the past 10 years have been affected by over inflated property prices. I hope her landlord is able to help her out, or maybe someone reading knows of somewhere long term that may be suitable. Good luck! BASILBRUSH
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