Could Ukip and Independent alliance form on Southend Council?

Southend Standard: James Moyies James Moyies

AN ALLIANCE could be formed between Southend’s UK Independence Party and the Independent group to run the council in the future.

Both parties have not ruled out an alliance both before and after the local council elections, being held in May.

Ukip is still yet to win a seat on Southend Council, but is expected to do well in next year’s poll as the vote is on the same day as the European elections.

The Independent group has eight seats on the council, making them the joint second biggest group with the Lib Dems.

Both groups say they could work together to control the council if they get the right number of seats as the Indepdents said they may agree with Ukip's policy of scrapping the current cabinet system.

James Moyies, Shoebury resident and eastern chairman for Ukip, said: “Our policy is to give people a greater say, people are starting to realise that the cabinet system in Southend provides no real democracy.

“Hopefully after May we will be working with the Independents to form a proper local Government for Southend.”

He later added he could work with members of other parties too.

The first signs of a pact between the two groups emerged in 2011, when the parties did not field candidates against each other.

Further links between the two groups have been highlighted further because the Independent group has not put a candidate forward to fight next month’s West Leigh by-election even though Ukip has.

Martin Terry, Independent group leader, hasn’t ruled out a more formal agreement with Ukip in the future.

He said: “There will be some areas where we won’t be standing anyway, and I suspect some where they won’t be standing although our plans haven’t been made yet.

“Ukip have said that its part of their policy to make decisions without a whip and act locally as independents, as far as we’re concerned if that’s their true policy we do feel we can work with them."

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6:16am Mon 23 Dec 13

Keptquiettillnow says...

Why call yourself Independents if your not going to be?
Thanks for the warning, thats two lots who will not be getting my vote.
Why call yourself Independents if your not going to be? Thanks for the warning, thats two lots who will not be getting my vote. Keptquiettillnow

9:27am Mon 23 Dec 13

MatthewSDent says...

The Independents have 9 seats our of 51. UKIP have none. It's something of a relief that people with such poor maths skills lack the numbers to control anything.

After the elections in MayMay, the council will be even more hung than it is at present. UKIP may even gain a councillor. But a UKIP-Independent coalition would need 26 seats to be able to do anything. That is simply not going to happen.
The Independents have 9 seats our of 51. UKIP have none. It's something of a relief that people with such poor maths skills lack the numbers to control anything. After the elections in MayMay, the council will be even more hung than it is at present. UKIP may even gain a councillor. But a UKIP-Independent coalition would need 26 seats to be able to do anything. That is simply not going to happen. MatthewSDent

10:23am Mon 23 Dec 13

Eric the Red says...

MatthewSDent wrote:
The Independents have 9 seats our of 51. UKIP have none. It's something of a relief that people with such poor maths skills lack the numbers to control anything.

After the elections in MayMay, the council will be even more hung than it is at present. UKIP may even gain a councillor. But a UKIP-Independent coalition would need 26 seats to be able to do anything. That is simply not going to happen.
My wife is looking forward to a well-hung council.
[quote][p][bold]MatthewSDent[/bold] wrote: The Independents have 9 seats our of 51. UKIP have none. It's something of a relief that people with such poor maths skills lack the numbers to control anything. After the elections in MayMay, the council will be even more hung than it is at present. UKIP may even gain a councillor. But a UKIP-Independent coalition would need 26 seats to be able to do anything. That is simply not going to happen.[/p][/quote]My wife is looking forward to a well-hung council. Eric the Red

11:28am Mon 23 Dec 13

Nebs says...

There should be no party politics in local council elections.
There should be no party politics in local council elections. Nebs

11:40am Mon 23 Dec 13

eurodoomed says...

A vote for Ukip is about as useful as a vote for the Lib Dems. Both let in Labour and make it more likely that we will finish up as a far flung colony of the EU.
At the local level, Labour means high council tax, wasted spending and poor public services, as well as a potential threat to Southend's best schools.
A vote for Ukip is about as useful as a vote for the Lib Dems. Both let in Labour and make it more likely that we will finish up as a far flung colony of the EU. At the local level, Labour means high council tax, wasted spending and poor public services, as well as a potential threat to Southend's best schools. eurodoomed

12:24pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Kim Gandy says...

Moyes doesn't like women in politics. And he will only be fielding six candidates next year, out of a possible 17, largely because he has a fear of women and loathes any woman who is strong minded.

He could have done so much better in his area but has made too many enemies and has alienated neighbouring UKIP colleagues.

He is all too ready to listen to rumours - and to keep regurgitating them, so afraid is he of females.

This is very typical of UKIP's current policy unfortunately.

There are some decent UKIP candidates in our area. He is not one of them
Moyes doesn't like women in politics. And he will only be fielding six candidates next year, out of a possible 17, largely because he has a fear of women and loathes any woman who is strong minded. He could have done so much better in his area but has made too many enemies and has alienated neighbouring UKIP colleagues. He is all too ready to listen to rumours - and to keep regurgitating them, so afraid is he of females. This is very typical of UKIP's current policy unfortunately. There are some decent UKIP candidates in our area. He is not one of them Kim Gandy

12:27pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Kim Gandy says...

During the summer he was having private meetings with ex National Front UKIP councillor Robert Ray.

And they tried to make ME out to be a Nazi. What a joke.
During the summer he was having private meetings with ex National Front UKIP councillor Robert Ray. And they tried to make ME out to be a Nazi. What a joke. Kim Gandy

2:17pm Mon 23 Dec 13

DannyK86 says...

A vote for UKIP is a vote against the economy.
A vote for UKIP is a vote against the economy. DannyK86

4:12pm Mon 23 Dec 13

BrianOtridge says...

If there had been elections in Southend in May 2013, there would have been UKIP Councillors elected to the Council in line with the national mood. 9 UKIP County Councillors were elected in Essex. Over the last 18 months a lot of people in Britain have woken up to the threats to British jobs and economy posed by mass immigration, and that with LibLabCon there is not a lot to choose between them.

Nearby, Jamie Huntman was elected in Thudersley, Keith Gibbs in Rayleigh South, Alan Bayley in South Benfleet and others in Basildon Westley Heights, Bocking, Brightlingsea, Laindon Park and Fryerns, Tendring Rural East and WIckford Le Crouch.

For a first bite of the cherry, that's pretty impressive.
If there had been elections in Southend in May 2013, there would have been UKIP Councillors elected to the Council in line with the national mood. 9 UKIP County Councillors were elected in Essex. Over the last 18 months a lot of people in Britain have woken up to the threats to British jobs and economy posed by mass immigration, and that with LibLabCon there is not a lot to choose between them. Nearby, Jamie Huntman was elected in Thudersley, Keith Gibbs in Rayleigh South, Alan Bayley in South Benfleet and others in Basildon Westley Heights, Bocking, Brightlingsea, Laindon Park and Fryerns, Tendring Rural East and WIckford Le Crouch. For a first bite of the cherry, that's pretty impressive. BrianOtridge

7:17pm Mon 23 Dec 13

rhowes says...

The dysfunctional Independent "Group", have been largely ineffective on the Council, and have achieved little at Ward level. Mostly egocentrics with no real vision for how Southend should develop.

UKIP have failed to inform Southend voters what their local policies are.
Nationally, their economic policies are a laughing stock!

Who would vote for a toxic combination of these people?
The dysfunctional Independent "Group", have been largely ineffective on the Council, and have achieved little at Ward level. Mostly egocentrics with no real vision for how Southend should develop. UKIP have failed to inform Southend voters what their local policies are. Nationally, their economic policies are a laughing stock! Who would vote for a toxic combination of these people? rhowes

9:03pm Mon 23 Dec 13

southendfanman says...

I will vote UKIP all the way. People who say a vote for UKIP is a vote for labour are just A) Stupid, B) Unimaginative, C) Spreading Tory propaganda D) Out of touch. The tories have lost touch with the residents of southend and only have control due to the spinless actions of the lib-dems. After the next election the lib-dems will fizzle out. Vote UKIP it is the only chance you have of change.
I will vote UKIP all the way. People who say a vote for UKIP is a vote for labour are just A) Stupid, B) Unimaginative, C) Spreading Tory propaganda D) Out of touch. The tories have lost touch with the residents of southend and only have control due to the spinless actions of the lib-dems. After the next election the lib-dems will fizzle out. Vote UKIP it is the only chance you have of change. southendfanman

9:05pm Mon 23 Dec 13

southendfanman says...

I will vote UKIP all the way. People who say a vote for UKIP is a vote for labour are just A) Stupid, B) Unimaginative, C) Spreading Tory propaganda D) Out of touch. The tories have lost touch with the residents of southend and only have control due to the spinless actions of the lib-dems. After the next election the lib-dems will fizzle out. Vote UKIP it is the only chance you have of change. Can't wait to get out of the EU.
I will vote UKIP all the way. People who say a vote for UKIP is a vote for labour are just A) Stupid, B) Unimaginative, C) Spreading Tory propaganda D) Out of touch. The tories have lost touch with the residents of southend and only have control due to the spinless actions of the lib-dems. After the next election the lib-dems will fizzle out. Vote UKIP it is the only chance you have of change. Can't wait to get out of the EU. southendfanman

10:51pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Joe Clark says...

Surely if you are Independent you are just that Independent you are:

On your own
Solo,
Individual
Single
Singular
Solitary
By Oneself
Solitary
Unaccompanied

The second you join with even one other person you are a group and you stop being Independent, to form a coalition with a recognised group just makes you desperate.

I admit I vote inde a while ago but the second they formed a group I refused to vote for them again as they are just as bad as all the others.
Surely if you are Independent you are just that Independent you are: On your own Solo, Individual Single Singular Solitary By Oneself Solitary Unaccompanied The second you join with even one other person you are a group and you stop being Independent, to form a coalition with a recognised group just makes you desperate. I admit I vote inde a while ago but the second they formed a group I refused to vote for them again as they are just as bad as all the others. Joe Clark

11:33am Tue 24 Dec 13

Kim Gandy says...

I have not read any replies because no doubt it will be the usual damaging denigrating cr@p written by people who don't know me - and have largely never even met me - but the down arrows have been noted. Obviously Moyies' very small group of followers don't like the truth.

Well tough, because there are more truths to come out. Instead of the made up rubbish that has been perpetrated about me, 2014 will be the year I see the balance redressed. And this time it WILL be TRUTHS, rather than lies.

There are quite a few shock revelations to come out about UKIP members both local and countrywide; this time people who really DO have a dodgy background with Far Right connections, unlike me who has only ever been a member of the English Democrats, UKIP and the RSPB!

Believe me, some of this stuff I have no involvement in - but I know about ongoing investigations. I just cannot say anything right now because unlike other, I don't go round libelling people. The truth will out in the fullness of time.

I'm afraid your tawdry allegations about myself don't wash any more because people who HAVE done their homework have found them to be totally unfounded. Any idiot can go through Searchlight.

However, Moyies and his mate Robert Ray have a sore need to talk about MY alleged "connections", as has Timur Aker . UKIP's policymaking geek.

What these people actually do is project all the nasty allegations onto totally innocent party members whilst covering their own backsides - to detract attention from their own activities.. This has happened with a number of former UKIP members, as anyone will find out if they research the rubbish that has been perpetrated against former party members, some of them high profile. It's all part of a UAF plot to bring down from the party from within.

And it's working beautifully.

And no I was NOT ejected from the party, this has never been proved.

I issue a challenge once again. If you can find any SERIOUS INCONTROVERTIBLE EVIDENCE that I have a) EVER said nasty things about old people; b) been a member of the BNP or EDL (and so what if I had) or c) been ejected from any political party, feel free to bring it along to the Echo, to Jon Austin, in front of myself, witnesses and a lawyer.

And by incontrovertible, I mean stuff that has NOT been Photoshopped, hacked or cloned. Or misrepresented - ie information that was taken from my former facebook page - but not printed in full showing the REAL context.

Fragments of my supposed comments, cherry picked for maximum impact won't wash either.

I have spent eight years of my life defending the rights of the elderly, even setting up a group to do it. Last night I met up with the daughter of one of them who would have absolutely no problem whatsoever, giving me a good reference - as would others. As IF I have to justify myself to you MORONS.

However, I DO have documentary evidence of the activities of one of your party members, some female down at Pitsea, who has some VERY dubious connections with some VERY dubious characters. AND her connections with local UKIP members and her activities threatening and harassing local politicians including the mayor and and MP. She is also somewhat of a vulture... You know who you are and you have sore need to talk about MY activities when you go around supplying bodies for your funeral director buddy. The things you have done to some of the people of this borough are despicable. And you have the cheek to mouth off made up rubbish about me just because you have a jealousy problem.

Also, despite her UKIP membership, her activities supporting the Labour group in Basildon.

However, I have an idea about just when to release that information, when it will have the greatest effect. I also have messages from her that remain on my iphone.

It's this simple: you people get off my back and retract your damaging comments - and I stay off yours. Otherwise, bring it on and I will take the lid off the lot of you. And believe me I know what you're up to.

So feel free to bring forward cast iron proof that will stand up in a court of law, of any of the allegations you misogynist nutters have made about me. I will be happy to reciprocate in kind.

Merry Christmas
I have not read any replies because no doubt it will be the usual damaging denigrating cr@p written by people who don't know me - and have largely never even met me - but the down arrows have been noted. Obviously Moyies' very small group of followers don't like the truth. Well tough, because there are more truths to come out. Instead of the made up rubbish that has been perpetrated about me, 2014 will be the year I see the balance redressed. And this time it WILL be TRUTHS, rather than lies. There are quite a few shock revelations to come out about UKIP members both local and countrywide; this time people who really DO have a dodgy background with Far Right connections, unlike me who has only ever been a member of the English Democrats, UKIP and the RSPB! Believe me, some of this stuff I have no involvement in - but I know about ongoing investigations. I just cannot say anything right now because unlike other, I don't go round libelling people. The truth will out in the fullness of time. I'm afraid your tawdry allegations about myself don't wash any more because people who HAVE done their homework have found them to be totally unfounded. Any idiot can go through Searchlight. However, Moyies and his mate Robert Ray have a sore need to talk about MY alleged "connections", as has Timur Aker . UKIP's policymaking geek. What these people actually do is project all the nasty allegations onto totally innocent party members whilst covering their own backsides - to detract attention from their own activities.. This has happened with a number of former UKIP members, as anyone will find out if they research the rubbish that has been perpetrated against former party members, some of them high profile. It's all part of a UAF plot to bring down from the party from within. And it's working beautifully. And no I was NOT ejected from the party, this has never been proved. I issue a challenge once again. If you can find any SERIOUS INCONTROVERTIBLE EVIDENCE that I have a) EVER said nasty things about old people; b) been a member of the BNP or EDL (and so what if I had) or c) been ejected from any political party, feel free to bring it along to the Echo, to Jon Austin, in front of myself, witnesses and a lawyer. And by incontrovertible, I mean stuff that has NOT been Photoshopped, hacked or cloned. Or misrepresented - ie information that was taken from my former facebook page - but not printed in full showing the REAL context. Fragments of my supposed comments, cherry picked for maximum impact won't wash either. I have spent eight years of my life defending the rights of the elderly, even setting up a group to do it. Last night I met up with the daughter of one of them who would have absolutely no problem whatsoever, giving me a good reference - as would others. As IF I have to justify myself to you MORONS. However, I DO have documentary evidence of the activities of one of your party members, some female down at Pitsea, who has some VERY dubious connections with some VERY dubious characters. AND her connections with local UKIP members and her activities threatening and harassing local politicians including the mayor and and MP. She is also somewhat of a vulture... You know who you are and you have sore need to talk about MY activities when you go around supplying bodies for your funeral director buddy. The things you have done to some of the people of this borough are despicable. And you have the cheek to mouth off made up rubbish about me just because you have a jealousy problem. Also, despite her UKIP membership, her activities supporting the Labour group in Basildon. However, I have an idea about just when to release that information, when it will have the greatest effect. I also have messages from her that remain on my iphone. It's this simple: you people get off my back and retract your damaging comments - and I stay off yours. Otherwise, bring it on and I will take the lid off the lot of you. And believe me I know what you're up to. So feel free to bring forward cast iron proof that will stand up in a court of law, of any of the allegations you misogynist nutters have made about me. I will be happy to reciprocate in kind. Merry Christmas Kim Gandy

4:38pm Thu 26 Dec 13

John Bull 40 says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
I have not read any replies because no doubt it will be the usual damaging denigrating cr@p written by people who don't know me - and have largely never even met me - but the down arrows have been noted. Obviously Moyies' very small group of followers don't like the truth.

Well tough, because there are more truths to come out. Instead of the made up rubbish that has been perpetrated about me, 2014 will be the year I see the balance redressed. And this time it WILL be TRUTHS, rather than lies.

There are quite a few shock revelations to come out about UKIP members both local and countrywide; this time people who really DO have a dodgy background with Far Right connections, unlike me who has only ever been a member of the English Democrats, UKIP and the RSPB!

Believe me, some of this stuff I have no involvement in - but I know about ongoing investigations. I just cannot say anything right now because unlike other, I don't go round libelling people. The truth will out in the fullness of time.

I'm afraid your tawdry allegations about myself don't wash any more because people who HAVE done their homework have found them to be totally unfounded. Any idiot can go through Searchlight.

However, Moyies and his mate Robert Ray have a sore need to talk about MY alleged "connections", as has Timur Aker . UKIP's policymaking geek.

What these people actually do is project all the nasty allegations onto totally innocent party members whilst covering their own backsides - to detract attention from their own activities.. This has happened with a number of former UKIP members, as anyone will find out if they research the rubbish that has been perpetrated against former party members, some of them high profile. It's all part of a UAF plot to bring down from the party from within.

And it's working beautifully.

And no I was NOT ejected from the party, this has never been proved.

I issue a challenge once again. If you can find any SERIOUS INCONTROVERTIBLE EVIDENCE that I have a) EVER said nasty things about old people; b) been a member of the BNP or EDL (and so what if I had) or c) been ejected from any political party, feel free to bring it along to the Echo, to Jon Austin, in front of myself, witnesses and a lawyer.

And by incontrovertible, I mean stuff that has NOT been Photoshopped, hacked or cloned. Or misrepresented - ie information that was taken from my former facebook page - but not printed in full showing the REAL context.

Fragments of my supposed comments, cherry picked for maximum impact won't wash either.

I have spent eight years of my life defending the rights of the elderly, even setting up a group to do it. Last night I met up with the daughter of one of them who would have absolutely no problem whatsoever, giving me a good reference - as would others. As IF I have to justify myself to you MORONS.

However, I DO have documentary evidence of the activities of one of your party members, some female down at Pitsea, who has some VERY dubious connections with some VERY dubious characters. AND her connections with local UKIP members and her activities threatening and harassing local politicians including the mayor and and MP. She is also somewhat of a vulture... You know who you are and you have sore need to talk about MY activities when you go around supplying bodies for your funeral director buddy. The things you have done to some of the people of this borough are despicable. And you have the cheek to mouth off made up rubbish about me just because you have a jealousy problem.

Also, despite her UKIP membership, her activities supporting the Labour group in Basildon.

However, I have an idea about just when to release that information, when it will have the greatest effect. I also have messages from her that remain on my iphone.

It's this simple: you people get off my back and retract your damaging comments - and I stay off yours. Otherwise, bring it on and I will take the lid off the lot of you. And believe me I know what you're up to.

So feel free to bring forward cast iron proof that will stand up in a court of law, of any of the allegations you misogynist nutters have made about me. I will be happy to reciprocate in kind.

Merry Christmas
Is this person for real?
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: I have not read any replies because no doubt it will be the usual damaging denigrating cr@p written by people who don't know me - and have largely never even met me - but the down arrows have been noted. Obviously Moyies' very small group of followers don't like the truth. Well tough, because there are more truths to come out. Instead of the made up rubbish that has been perpetrated about me, 2014 will be the year I see the balance redressed. And this time it WILL be TRUTHS, rather than lies. There are quite a few shock revelations to come out about UKIP members both local and countrywide; this time people who really DO have a dodgy background with Far Right connections, unlike me who has only ever been a member of the English Democrats, UKIP and the RSPB! Believe me, some of this stuff I have no involvement in - but I know about ongoing investigations. I just cannot say anything right now because unlike other, I don't go round libelling people. The truth will out in the fullness of time. I'm afraid your tawdry allegations about myself don't wash any more because people who HAVE done their homework have found them to be totally unfounded. Any idiot can go through Searchlight. However, Moyies and his mate Robert Ray have a sore need to talk about MY alleged "connections", as has Timur Aker . UKIP's policymaking geek. What these people actually do is project all the nasty allegations onto totally innocent party members whilst covering their own backsides - to detract attention from their own activities.. This has happened with a number of former UKIP members, as anyone will find out if they research the rubbish that has been perpetrated against former party members, some of them high profile. It's all part of a UAF plot to bring down from the party from within. And it's working beautifully. And no I was NOT ejected from the party, this has never been proved. I issue a challenge once again. If you can find any SERIOUS INCONTROVERTIBLE EVIDENCE that I have a) EVER said nasty things about old people; b) been a member of the BNP or EDL (and so what if I had) or c) been ejected from any political party, feel free to bring it along to the Echo, to Jon Austin, in front of myself, witnesses and a lawyer. And by incontrovertible, I mean stuff that has NOT been Photoshopped, hacked or cloned. Or misrepresented - ie information that was taken from my former facebook page - but not printed in full showing the REAL context. Fragments of my supposed comments, cherry picked for maximum impact won't wash either. I have spent eight years of my life defending the rights of the elderly, even setting up a group to do it. Last night I met up with the daughter of one of them who would have absolutely no problem whatsoever, giving me a good reference - as would others. As IF I have to justify myself to you MORONS. However, I DO have documentary evidence of the activities of one of your party members, some female down at Pitsea, who has some VERY dubious connections with some VERY dubious characters. AND her connections with local UKIP members and her activities threatening and harassing local politicians including the mayor and and MP. She is also somewhat of a vulture... You know who you are and you have sore need to talk about MY activities when you go around supplying bodies for your funeral director buddy. The things you have done to some of the people of this borough are despicable. And you have the cheek to mouth off made up rubbish about me just because you have a jealousy problem. Also, despite her UKIP membership, her activities supporting the Labour group in Basildon. However, I have an idea about just when to release that information, when it will have the greatest effect. I also have messages from her that remain on my iphone. It's this simple: you people get off my back and retract your damaging comments - and I stay off yours. Otherwise, bring it on and I will take the lid off the lot of you. And believe me I know what you're up to. So feel free to bring forward cast iron proof that will stand up in a court of law, of any of the allegations you misogynist nutters have made about me. I will be happy to reciprocate in kind. Merry Christmas[/p][/quote]Is this person for real? John Bull 40

5:28pm Thu 26 Dec 13

rhowes says...

If a formal pact is made by the Independent Group with UKIP, then they should all consider their positions. They have, through their leader Martin Terry, spent years criticising the main political Parties, and saying they should get out of local politics! How could they then decide to do a deal with another Party? Utter hypocrasy!
If a formal pact is made by the Independent Group with UKIP, then they should all consider their positions. They have, through their leader Martin Terry, spent years criticising the main political Parties, and saying they should get out of local politics! How could they then decide to do a deal with another Party? Utter hypocrasy! rhowes

12:59am Fri 27 Dec 13

Nebs says...

rhowes wrote:
If a formal pact is made by the Independent Group with UKIP, then they should all consider their positions. They have, through their leader Martin Terry, spent years criticising the main political Parties, and saying they should get out of local politics! How could they then decide to do a deal with another Party? Utter hypocrasy!
Why do we need political parties at all at a local level. We would be better with a small group of local people with business acumen to make sure there is a reasonable contract for emptying the bins and repairing the potholes, making sure planning doesn't get out of control, and helping those who need help. There is no need for a political party affiliation to achieve this.
[quote][p][bold]rhowes[/bold] wrote: If a formal pact is made by the Independent Group with UKIP, then they should all consider their positions. They have, through their leader Martin Terry, spent years criticising the main political Parties, and saying they should get out of local politics! How could they then decide to do a deal with another Party? Utter hypocrasy![/p][/quote]Why do we need political parties at all at a local level. We would be better with a small group of local people with business acumen to make sure there is a reasonable contract for emptying the bins and repairing the potholes, making sure planning doesn't get out of control, and helping those who need help. There is no need for a political party affiliation to achieve this. Nebs

10:01am Fri 27 Dec 13

rhowes says...

Nebs wrote:
rhowes wrote:
If a formal pact is made by the Independent Group with UKIP, then they should all consider their positions. They have, through their leader Martin Terry, spent years criticising the main political Parties, and saying they should get out of local politics! How could they then decide to do a deal with another Party? Utter hypocrasy!
Why do we need political parties at all at a local level. We would be better with a small group of local people with business acumen to make sure there is a reasonable contract for emptying the bins and repairing the potholes, making sure planning doesn't get out of control, and helping those who need help. There is no need for a political party affiliation to achieve this.
Nebs is right in theory, but in practice, such groups always finish up splitting into three. We have seen this often in rural areas, when all the people are elected as Independents. Human nature in the UK. You either think services should be run by private companies, or public bodies, or a mixture of the two.
Hence, Tory, Labour or Liberal Democrat.
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rhowes[/bold] wrote: If a formal pact is made by the Independent Group with UKIP, then they should all consider their positions. They have, through their leader Martin Terry, spent years criticising the main political Parties, and saying they should get out of local politics! How could they then decide to do a deal with another Party? Utter hypocrasy![/p][/quote]Why do we need political parties at all at a local level. We would be better with a small group of local people with business acumen to make sure there is a reasonable contract for emptying the bins and repairing the potholes, making sure planning doesn't get out of control, and helping those who need help. There is no need for a political party affiliation to achieve this.[/p][/quote]Nebs is right in theory, but in practice, such groups always finish up splitting into three. We have seen this often in rural areas, when all the people are elected as Independents. Human nature in the UK. You either think services should be run by private companies, or public bodies, or a mixture of the two. Hence, Tory, Labour or Liberal Democrat. rhowes

11:52am Fri 27 Dec 13

James courtnay says...

With conservatives already offering to change sides and the huge sucsess the independants are having on Southend councill Ukip know its the wise thing to do, join the winning team of independants, who are independants but work together on common causes.
With the numbers that are comming out, councillors such as Evans running away. It does look like the cabinet system will be gone and Southend run by a coallition of sensible people.
With conservatives already offering to change sides and the huge sucsess the independants are having on Southend councill Ukip know its the wise thing to do, join the winning team of independants, who are independants but work together on common causes. With the numbers that are comming out, councillors such as Evans running away. It does look like the cabinet system will be gone and Southend run by a coallition of sensible people. James courtnay

7:23pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Castlethorpe says...

James courtnay says...

With conservatives already offering to change sides and the huge sucsess the independants are having on Southend councill Ukip know its the wise thing to do, join the winning team of independants, who are independants but work together on common causes.
With the numbers that are comming out, councillors such as Evans running away. It does look like the cabinet system will be gone and Southend run by a coallition of sensible people.
James courtnay says... With conservatives already offering to change sides and the huge sucsess the independants are having on Southend councill Ukip know its the wise thing to do, join the winning team of independants, who are independants but work together on common causes. With the numbers that are comming out, councillors such as Evans running away. It does look like the cabinet system will be gone and Southend run by a coallition of sensible people. Castlethorpe

7:35pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Castlethorpe says...

Sensible words from James Courtney but is this the actual Portfolio holder? Whatever, it is good to see a positive comment based upon actual facts. The "Party" system has not worked for Southend for many years and the Cabinet system has been manipulated to reduce democracy. If the expected, few new UKIP Councillors wish to join with the current Independent Group and the Lib Dems actually listen to their residents, it will be the saving of Southend. Ask any Independent for details of Group policy and it will be given. Sensible, cost effective with social concern and local development for employment and housing at its core the Independent policies make a lot of sense and needs NO FURTHER BORROWING that is costing each and every taxpayer some 33% of all Council tax just to pay the current interest payments. The Tory administration plans to borrow even more! A UKIP win in West Leigh is vital. Study the facts and it will happen.
Sensible words from James Courtney but is this the actual Portfolio holder? Whatever, it is good to see a positive comment based upon actual facts. The "Party" system has not worked for Southend for many years and the Cabinet system has been manipulated to reduce democracy. If the expected, few new UKIP Councillors wish to join with the current Independent Group and the Lib Dems actually listen to their residents, it will be the saving of Southend. Ask any Independent for details of Group policy and it will be given. Sensible, cost effective with social concern and local development for employment and housing at its core the Independent policies make a lot of sense and needs NO FURTHER BORROWING that is costing each and every taxpayer some 33% of all Council tax just to pay the current interest payments. The Tory administration plans to borrow even more! A UKIP win in West Leigh is vital. Study the facts and it will happen. Castlethorpe

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