Updated: Police investigate crash in Southend (From Southend Standard)

Basildon.lad.21 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Bloody cyclists.

I bet he was still on it from last night.

I'm sure I would have been if I owned a Boxter but I wouldn't have been driving, obviously.

I guess the other comments were removed because of their content, prehaps thy should start to block persistant offenders.

Shoebury_Cyclist your comment was not funny first time, to post the same comment on each story involving a road accident is getting really boring.

Joe Wildman wrote:
I guess the other comments were removed because of their content, prehaps thy should start to block persistant offenders.

Shoebury_Cyclist your comment was not funny first time, to post the same comment on each story involving a road accident is getting really boring.

It isn't supposed to be funny. It's supposed to highlight the real problem on our roads.

Bloody cyclists.

Funny how comments get removed when they highlight that the real problem on Southend's roads is dangerous drivers and not cyclists, but ninety odd off-topic posts of anti-traveller racism and nonsense about usernames are left alone under this story:

http://www.echo-news
.co.uk/news/local_ne
ws/southend/9995612.
Frankie_Boyle_cancel
s_Southend_gig/

I suppose people don't want to face the truth about who causes the carnage on our roads, they'd rather post and read racism.

But what about the cyclists that use the footpaths, what about the cyclists that cycle up and down the High Street, they are just as bad as the poor drivers on the roads, who has the right of way on a footpath an adult on a bike or somebody on foot, who should give way?

After much thought I got a Trek Slash on Saturday and was planning to take it out today but the opitunity to do some overtime at work put paid to that.

There was noway I was going to ride to Devon with the equipment on tow! piled in the car and drove, well what would have done!

Joe Wildman wrote:
But what about the cyclists that use the footpaths, what about the cyclists that cycle up and down the High Street, they are just as bad as the poor drivers on the roads, who has the right of way on a footpath an adult on a bike or somebody on foot, who should give way?

After much thought I got a Trek Slash on Saturday and was planning to take it out today but the opitunity to do some overtime at work put paid to that.

There was noway I was going to ride to Devon with the equipment on tow! piled in the car and drove, well what would have done!

Over the past few weeks or so we have had:

A pedestrian pinned to a wall by a car

http://www.echo-news
.co.uk/news/local_ne
ws/southend/9948153.
Woman_pinned_against
_wall_by_car/

Three people injured in a head-on crash between two cars

http://www.echo-news
.co.uk/news/local_ne
ws/southend/9959933.
Three_injured_in_hea
d_on_crash_in_Southe
nd/

A pedestrian knocked down and hospitalised by a car

http://www.echo-news
.co.uk/news/local_ne
ws/southend/9955253.
Pedestrian_hospitali
sed_after_Southend_c
rash/

A schoolboy knocked down by a hit-and-run driver in Leigh

http://www.echo-news
.co.uk/news/local_ne
ws/leigh/9961047.15_
year_old_cyclist_inj
ured_after_Leigh_hit
_and_run/

An elderly pedestrian knocked down by a hit-and-run driver in Shoebury

http://www.echo-news
.co.uk/news/local_ne
ws/southend/9858391.
Elderly_man_knocked_
down_by_hit_and_run_
driver_in_Shoebury/

A young man needing to be cut out of the wreckage of his car after he crashed it on Royal Artllery Way

http://www.echo-news
.co.uk/news/local_ne
ws/southend/9973791.
Man_cut_out_of_car_a
fter_Southend_crash/


A van driven through railings into an underpass

http://www.echo-news
.co.uk/news/local_ne
ws/southend/9973733.
Van_plunges_into_Sou
thend_underpass/

An eleven year old pedestrian knocked down by a driver in Shoebury

http://www.echo-news
.co.uk/news/local_ne
ws/southend/9974626.
Eleven_year_old_boy_
knocked_down_in_cras
h/

A young girl knocked down trying to cross the road on Southchurch Road / Sutton Road roundabout

http://www.echo-news
.co.uk/news/local_ne
ws/southend/9974320.
14_year_old_girl_lef
t_with_broken_knee_a
fter_crash/

A car on its roof in Thorpe Bay Broadway

http://www.echo-news
.co.uk/news/local_ne
ws/southend/9994824.
Car_on_its_roof_in_T
horpe_Bay/

A four vehicle pile-up on the A13

http://www.echo-news
.co.uk/news/local_ne
ws/basildon/9969280.
Updated__Man_arreste
d_after_A13_pile_up/


A car crashed into a bus shelter

http://www.echo-news
.co.uk/news/local_ne
ws/southend/9997943.
Police_searching_for
_driver_after_Southe
nd_crash/


In the same period there have been NO stories of pedestrians hospitalised by cyclists. NONE. Open your eyes to the real problem. I'll give you a clue: It isn't cyclists.

Thanks for the clue S/C,I wonder how many cars are on the road for each cyclist riding a bike,perhaps that has somthing to do with the statistics you seem to believe in.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Joe Wildman wrote: But what about the cyclists that use the footpaths, what about the cyclists that cycle up and down the High Street, they are just as bad as the poor drivers on the roads, who has the right of way on a footpath an adult on a bike or somebody on foot, who should give way? After much thought I got a Trek Slash on Saturday and was planning to take it out today but the opitunity to do some overtime at work put paid to that. There was noway I was going to ride to Devon with the equipment on tow! piled in the car and drove, well what would have done!

Over the past few weeks or so we have had: A pedestrian pinned to a wall by a car http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9948153. Woman_pinned_against _wall_by_car/ Three people injured in a head-on crash between two cars http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9959933. Three_injured_in_hea d_on_crash_in_Southe nd/ A pedestrian knocked down and hospitalised by a car http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9955253. Pedestrian_hospitali sed_after_Southend_c rash/ A schoolboy knocked down by a hit-and-run driver in Leigh http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/leigh/9961047.15_ year_old_cyclist_inj ured_after_Leigh_hit _and_run/ An elderly pedestrian knocked down by a hit-and-run driver in Shoebury http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9858391. Elderly_man_knocked_ down_by_hit_and_run_ driver_in_Shoebury/ A young man needing to be cut out of the wreckage of his car after he crashed it on Royal Artllery Way http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9973791. Man_cut_out_of_car_a fter_Southend_crash/ A van driven through railings into an underpass http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9973733. Van_plunges_into_Sou thend_underpass/ An eleven year old pedestrian knocked down by a driver in Shoebury http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9974626. Eleven_year_old_boy_ knocked_down_in_cras h/ A young girl knocked down trying to cross the road on Southchurch Road / Sutton Road roundabout http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9974320. 14_year_old_girl_lef t_with_broken_knee_a fter_crash/ A car on its roof in Thorpe Bay Broadway http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9994824. Car_on_its_roof_in_T horpe_Bay/ A four vehicle pile-up on the A13 http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/basildon/9969280. Updated__Man_arreste d_after_A13_pile_up/ A car crashed into a bus shelter http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9997943. Police_searching_for _driver_after_Southe nd_crash/ In the same period there have been NO stories of pedestrians hospitalised by cyclists. NONE. Open your eyes to the real problem. I'll give you a clue: It isn't cyclists.

As firedog states how many cars pass through and round Southend without accident?

Do you or have any of your family go cars?

So your not botherd by those adult cyclists who ride on footpaths, who ride on the High Street?

I always ride in the road or on cycle paths.

You seem bitter towards cars, probaly somebody who who can't pass the test.

all these comments do not matter if its bike car or peds or whatever it hurts when you lose someone to it cool it some one is hurting out there

Bring on a Police Commissioner who will have a zero tolerance to motorists who constantly break the law. Even better a Police force that has to fund or part fund itself. Then perhaps we might start to see people realising they are not going to get away with crime just because it involves a car.
I am fed up with cars parked by lazy owners on footpaths, being driven aggressively, parked on double yellows around the local schools, drivers on mobile phones. And this is not to mention the many innocent people who are killed and seriously injured each year.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Joe Wildman wrote:
But what about the cyclists that use the footpaths, what about the cyclists that cycle up and down the High Street, they are just as bad as the poor drivers on the roads, who has the right of way on a footpath an adult on a bike or somebody on foot, who should give way?

After much thought I got a Trek Slash on Saturday and was planning to take it out today but the opitunity to do some overtime at work put paid to that.

There was noway I was going to ride to Devon with the equipment on tow! piled in the car and drove, well what would have done!

Over the past few weeks or so we have had:

A pedestrian pinned to a wall by a car

http://www.echo-news

.co.uk/news/local_ne

ws/southend/9948153.

Woman_pinned_against

_wall_by_car/

Three people injured in a head-on crash between two cars

http://www.echo-news

.co.uk/news/local_ne

ws/southend/9959933.

Three_injured_in_hea

d_on_crash_in_Southe

nd/

A pedestrian knocked down and hospitalised by a car

http://www.echo-news

.co.uk/news/local_ne

ws/southend/9955253.

Pedestrian_hospitali

sed_after_Southend_c

rash/

A schoolboy knocked down by a hit-and-run driver in Leigh

http://www.echo-news

.co.uk/news/local_ne

ws/leigh/9961047.15_

year_old_cyclist_inj

ured_after_Leigh_hit

_and_run/

An elderly pedestrian knocked down by a hit-and-run driver in Shoebury

http://www.echo-news

.co.uk/news/local_ne

ws/southend/9858391.

Elderly_man_knocked_

down_by_hit_and_run_

driver_in_Shoebury/

A young man needing to be cut out of the wreckage of his car after he crashed it on Royal Artllery Way

http://www.echo-news

.co.uk/news/local_ne

ws/southend/9973791.

Man_cut_out_of_car_a

fter_Southend_crash/



A van driven through railings into an underpass

http://www.echo-news

.co.uk/news/local_ne

ws/southend/9973733.

Van_plunges_into_Sou

thend_underpass/

An eleven year old pedestrian knocked down by a driver in Shoebury

http://www.echo-news

.co.uk/news/local_ne

ws/southend/9974626.

Eleven_year_old_boy_

knocked_down_in_cras

h/

A young girl knocked down trying to cross the road on Southchurch Road / Sutton Road roundabout

http://www.echo-news

.co.uk/news/local_ne

ws/southend/9974320.

14_year_old_girl_lef

t_with_broken_knee_a

fter_crash/

A car on its roof in Thorpe Bay Broadway

http://www.echo-news

.co.uk/news/local_ne

ws/southend/9994824.

Car_on_its_roof_in_T

horpe_Bay/

A four vehicle pile-up on the A13

http://www.echo-news

.co.uk/news/local_ne

ws/basildon/9969280.

Updated__Man_arreste

d_after_A13_pile_up/



A car crashed into a bus shelter

http://www.echo-news

.co.uk/news/local_ne

ws/southend/9997943.

Police_searching_for

_driver_after_Southe

nd_crash/


In the same period there have been NO stories of pedestrians hospitalised by cyclists. NONE. Open your eyes to the real problem. I'll give you a clue: It isn't cyclists.

Of course there is going to be more accidents involving cars, because there is more cars on the road then cyclists, and cars travel faster meaning more likely to be an accident.

Im not condoning cyclists because I am one myself also. Im not the best of cyclists and have been guilty of bad cycling myself, riding on footpaths, through high streets on the path, no lights at night etc..

You probably cant even drive a car. So keep your sh!t opinions to yourself.

Joe Wildman wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Joe Wildman wrote: But what about the cyclists that use the footpaths, what about the cyclists that cycle up and down the High Street, they are just as bad as the poor drivers on the roads, who has the right of way on a footpath an adult on a bike or somebody on foot, who should give way? After much thought I got a Trek Slash on Saturday and was planning to take it out today but the opitunity to do some overtime at work put paid to that. There was noway I was going to ride to Devon with the equipment on tow! piled in the car and drove, well what would have done!

Over the past few weeks or so we have had: A pedestrian pinned to a wall by a car http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9948153. Woman_pinned_against _wall_by_car/ Three people injured in a head-on crash between two cars http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9959933. Three_injured_in_hea d_on_crash_in_Southe nd/ A pedestrian knocked down and hospitalised by a car http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9955253. Pedestrian_hospitali sed_after_Southend_c rash/ A schoolboy knocked down by a hit-and-run driver in Leigh http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/leigh/9961047.15_ year_old_cyclist_inj ured_after_Leigh_hit _and_run/ An elderly pedestrian knocked down by a hit-and-run driver in Shoebury http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9858391. Elderly_man_knocked_ down_by_hit_and_run_ driver_in_Shoebury/ A young man needing to be cut out of the wreckage of his car after he crashed it on Royal Artllery Way http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9973791. Man_cut_out_of_car_a fter_Southend_crash/ A van driven through railings into an underpass http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9973733. Van_plunges_into_Sou thend_underpass/ An eleven year old pedestrian knocked down by a driver in Shoebury http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9974626. Eleven_year_old_boy_ knocked_down_in_cras h/ A young girl knocked down trying to cross the road on Southchurch Road / Sutton Road roundabout http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9974320. 14_year_old_girl_lef t_with_broken_knee_a fter_crash/ A car on its roof in Thorpe Bay Broadway http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9994824. Car_on_its_roof_in_T horpe_Bay/ A four vehicle pile-up on the A13 http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/basildon/9969280. Updated__Man_arreste d_after_A13_pile_up/ A car crashed into a bus shelter http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9997943. Police_searching_for _driver_after_Southe nd_crash/ In the same period there have been NO stories of pedestrians hospitalised by cyclists. NONE. Open your eyes to the real problem. I'll give you a clue: It isn't cyclists.

As firedog states how many cars pass through and round Southend without accident?

Do you or have any of your family go cars?

So your not botherd by those adult cyclists who ride on footpaths, who ride on the High Street?

I always ride in the road or on cycle paths.

You seem bitter towards cars, probaly somebody who who can't pass the test.

Nice try. Fail. Where are the stories of people being run down by cyclists? Where are the stories of cyclist hit-and-runs? There are none.

The truth is the carnage on Southend's streets is being done by drivers.


I agree with keptquiettilnow, we need a zero tolerance approach to bad driving.

A £1000 fine for a first offence of speeding. Car taken and crushed for a second offence.

A £1000 fine for a first offence of illegal parking. Car taken and crushed for a second offence.

A £1000 fine for using a phone while driving. Car taken and crushed for a second offence.

Car taken and crushed and licence removed for life for a first offence of drink/drug driving.

Automatic ten years in prison for any death caused while driving.

… and so on.

Zero tolerance. It's the only way Britain's ignorant, arrogant, dangerous, killer and scofflaw motorists will learn.

Just getting back to the subject of the thread for a moment..."

"...Officers arrived shortly afterwards and are now trying to identify and locate the driver...."

Shouldn't take more than five minutes, assuming the driver was the owner.
If not, was it reported stolen.

APR wrote:
Just getting back to the subject of the thread for a moment..."

"...Officers arrived shortly afterwards and are now trying to identify and locate the driver...."

Shouldn't take more than five minutes, assuming the driver was the owner.
If not, was it reported stolen.

Are Shoebury cyclist & aducksquack the same poster?

So was the car left at the accident scene or was it eyewitnesses that reported the type.

We all have seen cyclists filter through cars at traffic lights, they go through red lights, ride on the pavement and generally ignore the rules of the road, when they get hit they always point the finger at the car driver. A few years back a cyclist hit my car whilst it was parked in a designated parking bay, he blamed ME for the accident, he ignored the fact that he was riding hands free whilst trying to send a text! It's NOT just car drivers that are irresponsible there are plenty of cyclists as well.

Shoebury cyclist/aducksquack or whatever your name is why will you not acknowledge that fact. Why will you not acknowledge that cyclists that use the High Street as a race track, why not condone those that use public footpaths and expect pedestrians to get out the way, you can not lay the whole blame on car drivers.

I have a bike and a car I use both in a curious manner which is more than can be said by some car drivers and some bike riders.

Joe Wildman wrote:

APR wrote:
Just getting back to the subject of the thread for a moment..."

"...Officers arrived shortly afterwards and are now trying to identify and locate the driver...."

Shouldn't take more than five minutes, assuming the driver was the owner.
If not, was it reported stolen.

Are Shoebury cyclist & aducksquack the same poster?

So was the car left at the accident scene or was it eyewitnesses that reported the type.

We all have seen cyclists filter through cars at traffic lights, they go through red lights, ride on the pavement and generally ignore the rules of the road, when they get hit they always point the finger at the car driver. A few years back a cyclist hit my car whilst it was parked in a designated parking bay, he blamed ME for the accident, he ignored the fact that he was riding hands free whilst trying to send a text! It's NOT just car drivers that are irresponsible there are plenty of cyclists as well.

Shoebury cyclist/aducksquack or whatever your name is why will you not acknowledge that fact. Why will you not acknowledge that cyclists that use the High Street as a race track, why not condone those that use public footpaths and expect pedestrians to get out the way, you can not lay the whole blame on car drivers.

I have a bike and a car I use both in a curious manner which is more than can be said by some car drivers and some bike riders.

Cyclist use the the High Street as a race track? What utter tosh. If they did it would be all over the Echo. Meanwhile drivers are killing over 2000 people every year. And you're worried about cyclists?

Get a grip on reality you muppet.

I love the 'after apparently losing control' bit.

Of course they lost fekkin control. Either that or the driver was a stunt man.

Any vacancies for reporters / subbies at the Echo?

Those chimps are struggling.

Joe, is it wrong for cyclists to filter to the front of a line of waiting cars?
Seriously I ride a bike and drive a car. Some car drivers need to get it out of their heads its not a race. On a bike you are always going to get around quicker than in a car.
If car drivers actually left space for cyclists to filter by, instead of blocking their paths by stopping right next to the kerb, it would actually make life a lot better for all concerned.

aduksquack wrote:

Joe Wildman wrote:

APR wrote:
Just getting back to the subject of the thread for a moment..."

"...Officers arrived shortly afterwards and are now trying to identify and locate the driver...."

Shouldn't take more than five minutes, assuming the driver was the owner.
If not, was it reported stolen.

Are Shoebury cyclist & aducksquack the same poster?

So was the car left at the accident scene or was it eyewitnesses that reported the type.

We all have seen cyclists filter through cars at traffic lights, they go through red lights, ride on the pavement and generally ignore the rules of the road, when they get hit they always point the finger at the car driver. A few years back a cyclist hit my car whilst it was parked in a designated parking bay, he blamed ME for the accident, he ignored the fact that he was riding hands free whilst trying to send a text! It's NOT just car drivers that are irresponsible there are plenty of cyclists as well.

Shoebury cyclist/aducksquack or whatever your name is why will you not acknowledge that fact. Why will you not acknowledge that cyclists that use the High Street as a race track, why not condone those that use public footpaths and expect pedestrians to get out the way, you can not lay the whole blame on car drivers.

I have a bike and a car I use both in a curious manner which is more than can be said by some car drivers and some bike riders.

Cyclist use the the High Street as a race track? What utter tosh. If they did it would be all over the Echo. Meanwhile drivers are killing over 2000 people every year. And you're worried about cyclists?

Get a grip on reality you muppet.

2 different usernames on the same story?

rhetorical question as everyone here sees straight through you. don't bother responding.

ShoeburyAsbo, AsboFoundation, ChurchofAsbo, AsboIndustries...

do you not understand the word simultaneous?

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aduksquack wrote:

Joe Wildman wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Joe Wildman wrote: But what about the cyclists that use the footpaths, what about the cyclists that cycle up and down the High Street, they are just as bad as the poor drivers on the roads, who has the right of way on a footpath an adult on a bike or somebody on foot, who should give way? After much thought I got a Trek Slash on Saturday and was planning to take it out today but the opitunity to do some overtime at work put paid to that. There was noway I was going to ride to Devon with the equipment on tow! piled in the car and drove, well what would have done!

Over the past few weeks or so we have had: A pedestrian pinned to a wall by a car http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9948153. Woman_pinned_against _wall_by_car/ Three people injured in a head-on crash between two cars http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9959933. Three_injured_in_hea d_on_crash_in_Southe nd/ A pedestrian knocked down and hospitalised by a car http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9955253. Pedestrian_hospitali sed_after_Southend_c rash/ A schoolboy knocked down by a hit-and-run driver in Leigh http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/leigh/9961047.15_ year_old_cyclist_inj ured_after_Leigh_hit _and_run/ An elderly pedestrian knocked down by a hit-and-run driver in Shoebury http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9858391. Elderly_man_knocked_ down_by_hit_and_run_ driver_in_Shoebury/ A young man needing to be cut out of the wreckage of his car after he crashed it on Royal Artllery Way http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9973791. Man_cut_out_of_car_a fter_Southend_crash/ A van driven through railings into an underpass http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9973733. Van_plunges_into_Sou thend_underpass/ An eleven year old pedestrian knocked down by a driver in Shoebury http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9974626. Eleven_year_old_boy_ knocked_down_in_cras h/ A young girl knocked down trying to cross the road on Southchurch Road / Sutton Road roundabout http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9974320. 14_year_old_girl_lef t_with_broken_knee_a fter_crash/ A car on its roof in Thorpe Bay Broadway http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9994824. Car_on_its_roof_in_T horpe_Bay/ A four vehicle pile-up on the A13 http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/basildon/9969280. Updated__Man_arreste d_after_A13_pile_up/ A car crashed into a bus shelter http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9997943. Police_searching_for _driver_after_Southe nd_crash/ In the same period there have been NO stories of pedestrians hospitalised by cyclists. NONE. Open your eyes to the real problem. I'll give you a clue: It isn't cyclists.

As firedog states how many cars pass through and round Southend without accident?

Do you or have any of your family go cars?

So your not botherd by those adult cyclists who ride on footpaths, who ride on the High Street?

I always ride in the road or on cycle paths.

You seem bitter towards cars, probaly somebody who who can't pass the test.

Nice try. Fail. Where are the stories of people being run down by cyclists? Where are the stories of cyclist hit-and-runs? There are none.

The truth is the carnage on Southend's streets is being done by drivers.


I agree with keptquiettilnow, we need a zero tolerance approach to bad driving.

A £1000 fine for a first offence of speeding. Car taken and crushed for a second offence.

A £1000 fine for a first offence of illegal parking. Car taken and crushed for a second offence.

A £1000 fine for using a phone while driving. Car taken and crushed for a second offence.

Car taken and crushed and licence removed for life for a first offence of drink/drug driving.

Automatic ten years in prison for any death caused while driving.

… and so on.

Zero tolerance. It's the only way Britain's ignorant, arrogant, dangerous, killer and scofflaw motorists will learn.

Yawn. I dont agree with that one bit. If that was the case nobody would have any money or cars left. I use my phone, and speed everyday while driving. Sometimes both at the same time. If I felt unsafe then I wouldnt do it. The amount of speeders/mobile phone users that flout the law everyday, compared to the amount of crashes that are directly involved with them two, is relatively low.

I would like the police to concentrate on real crime such as drugged/boozed up yobs, mugging, raping, or either killing people.

thanks. i'll take that as an admission of guilty as charged. i assume both your usernames will be voting for putin at the next election.

Keptquiettillnow wrote:
Joe, is it wrong for cyclists to filter to the front of a line of waiting cars?
Seriously I ride a bike and drive a car. Some car drivers need to get it out of their heads its not a race. On a bike you are always going to get around quicker than in a car.
If car drivers actually left space for cyclists to filter by, instead of blocking their paths by stopping right next to the kerb, it would actually make life a lot better for all concerned.

I kinda disagree when you say bikes are going to get around quicker in a car.

I tell you what, I drive, you cycle. Will race from Basildon to Scotland. Ill even let you have a 5 hour headstart if you really want.

aduksquack wrote:

Joe Wildman wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Joe Wildman wrote: But what about the cyclists that use the footpaths, what about the cyclists that cycle up and down the High Street, they are just as bad as the poor drivers on the roads, who has the right of way on a footpath an adult on a bike or somebody on foot, who should give way? After much thought I got a Trek Slash on Saturday and was planning to take it out today but the opitunity to do some overtime at work put paid to that. There was noway I was going to ride to Devon with the equipment on tow! piled in the car and drove, well what would have done!

Over the past few weeks or so we have had: A pedestrian pinned to a wall by a car http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9948153. Woman_pinned_against _wall_by_car/ Three people injured in a head-on crash between two cars http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9959933. Three_injured_in_hea d_on_crash_in_Southe nd/ A pedestrian knocked down and hospitalised by a car http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9955253. Pedestrian_hospitali sed_after_Southend_c rash/ A schoolboy knocked down by a hit-and-run driver in Leigh http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/leigh/9961047.15_ year_old_cyclist_inj ured_after_Leigh_hit _and_run/ An elderly pedestrian knocked down by a hit-and-run driver in Shoebury http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9858391. Elderly_man_knocked_ down_by_hit_and_run_ driver_in_Shoebury/ A young man needing to be cut out of the wreckage of his car after he crashed it on Royal Artllery Way http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9973791. Man_cut_out_of_car_a fter_Southend_crash/ A van driven through railings into an underpass http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9973733. Van_plunges_into_Sou thend_underpass/ An eleven year old pedestrian knocked down by a driver in Shoebury http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9974626. Eleven_year_old_boy_ knocked_down_in_cras h/ A young girl knocked down trying to cross the road on Southchurch Road / Sutton Road roundabout http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9974320. 14_year_old_girl_lef t_with_broken_knee_a fter_crash/ A car on its roof in Thorpe Bay Broadway http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9994824. Car_on_its_roof_in_T horpe_Bay/ A four vehicle pile-up on the A13 http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/basildon/9969280. Updated__Man_arreste d_after_A13_pile_up/ A car crashed into a bus shelter http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9997943. Police_searching_for _driver_after_Southe nd_crash/ In the same period there have been NO stories of pedestrians hospitalised by cyclists. NONE. Open your eyes to the real problem. I'll give you a clue: It isn't cyclists.

As firedog states how many cars pass through and round Southend without accident?

Do you or have any of your family go cars?

So your not botherd by those adult cyclists who ride on footpaths, who ride on the High Street?

I always ride in the road or on cycle paths.

You seem bitter towards cars, probaly somebody who who can't pass the test.

Nice try. Fail. Where are the stories of people being run down by cyclists? Where are the stories of cyclist hit-and-runs? There are none.

The truth is the carnage on Southend's streets is being done by drivers.


I agree with keptquiettilnow, we need a zero tolerance approach to bad driving.

A £1000 fine for a first offence of speeding. Car taken and crushed for a second offence.

A £1000 fine for a first offence of illegal parking. Car taken and crushed for a second offence.

A £1000 fine for using a phone while driving. Car taken and crushed for a second offence.

Car taken and crushed and licence removed for life for a first offence of drink/drug driving.

Automatic ten years in prison for any death caused while driving.

… and so on.

Zero tolerance. It's the only way Britain's ignorant, arrogant, dangerous, killer and scofflaw motorists will learn.

I agree with all the proposed fines, and crushing cars for repeat offenders. I would also add:
A £1000 fine for cycling without lights at night. Bike taken and crushed for a second offence.
A £1000 fine for cycling or driving through a red light. Bike or car taken and crushed for a second offence.
And just to make sure everyone is offended by my post,
A £1000 fine for pedestrians crossing the road while using a mobile phone. Pedestrian taken and crushed for a second offence

aduksquack wrote:

Joe Wildman wrote:

APR wrote:
Just getting back to the subject of the thread for a moment..."

"...Officers arrived shortly afterwards and are now trying to identify and locate the driver...."

Shouldn't take more than five minutes, assuming the driver was the owner.
If not, was it reported stolen.

Are Shoebury cyclist & aducksquack the same poster?

So was the car left at the accident scene or was it eyewitnesses that reported the type.

We all have seen cyclists filter through cars at traffic lights, they go through red lights, ride on the pavement and generally ignore the rules of the road, when they get hit they always point the finger at the car driver. A few years back a cyclist hit my car whilst it was parked in a designated parking bay, he blamed ME for the accident, he ignored the fact that he was riding hands free whilst trying to send a text! It's NOT just car drivers that are irresponsible there are plenty of cyclists as well.

Shoebury cyclist/aducksquack or whatever your name is why will you not acknowledge that fact. Why will you not acknowledge that cyclists that use the High Street as a race track, why not condone those that use public footpaths and expect pedestrians to get out the way, you can not lay the whole blame on car drivers.

I have a bike and a car I use both in a curious manner which is more than can be said by some car drivers and some bike riders.

Cyclist use the the High Street as a race track? What utter tosh. If they did it would be all over the Echo. Meanwhile drivers are killing over 2000 people every year. And you're worried about cyclists?

Get a grip on reality you muppet.

I have a bike but I am not one of the muppets who this will effect

http://www.echo-news
.co.uk/news/local_ne
ws/southend/9743835.
Cyclists_to_be_fined
_in_pedestrian_area/


Let me guess you have never seen somebodt ride their bike in the High Street or are you one of the muppets that are against this new scheme as you ride your bike in the High Street.

2000 killed on the road each year, how many people are not killed?

aduksquack and Shoebury Cyclist ARE the same poster, I have seen that in the short time I have been signed up, seems like quite a few people sign up a number of names Asbo this that and the other, EEK A HOUSE was another.

What could my other name be how about Lord MPD, as in Lord Multiple Personality Disorder as thats what must people seem to have on here!

no, you are only half right. the crime is to have active, simultaneous usernames. the poster with a bicycle on this thread is using simultaneous usernames which he acknowledges above.

FORGETTING ALL THE COMMENTS ABOVE

Where is this bus shelter outside/nearby Downes? I am a regular bus user and have never come across a bus shelter in that area, it's always been a bus stop sign only there.

Basildon.lad.21 wrote:

Keptquiettillnow wrote:
Joe, is it wrong for cyclists to filter to the front of a line of waiting cars?
Seriously I ride a bike and drive a car. Some car drivers need to get it out of their heads its not a race. On a bike you are always going to get around quicker than in a car.
If car drivers actually left space for cyclists to filter by, instead of blocking their paths by stopping right next to the kerb, it would actually make life a lot better for all concerned.

I kinda disagree when you say bikes are going to get around quicker in a car.

I tell you what, I drive, you cycle. Will race from Basildon to Scotland. Ill even let you have a 5 hour headstart if you really want.

Well, like I said, some motorists just have to win ;-)

asbo industries inc wrote:
no, you are only half right. the crime is to have active, simultaneous usernames. the poster with a bicycle on this thread is using simultaneous usernames which he acknowledges above.

I do NOT have two user names on here I was taking the pee out of those that do, such as Shoebury_Cyclist/adu
cksquack.

ShoeburyGuy17 wrote:
FORGETTING ALL THE COMMENTS ABOVE

Where is this bus shelter outside/nearby Downes? I am a regular bus user and have never come across a bus shelter in that area, it's always been a bus stop sign only there.

Bus ****!er

This thread seems to have got a bit off subject as usual, but ShoeburyGuy17 raises a good point - where is the bus shelter?
By the way, just for the record, I got a busted collar bone from a hit-and-run cyclist 5 years ago (and it still hurts!).

The bus shelter is / was just before the pedex as you travel in the direction of Southchurch. In a layby.

asbo industries inc wrote:
no, you are only half right. the crime is to have active, simultaneous usernames. the poster with a bicycle on this thread is using simultaneous usernames which he acknowledges above.

So it's worse to still be logged in with an old username on a different computer, than it is to be banned from the site every other week and have to change your username multiple times. How many bans have you had now? Six, seven? I'm losing count.

ScaredAmoeba wrote:
During the last five years (2005-2009), there were 3,051 pedestrians killed in collisions with motor vehicles: 2,118 involving cars, 933 involving other vehicles. That’s an average of 610 a year.
By contrast, there were 11 pedestrians fatalities in cycle collisions during this period, an average of 2.2 per year.
Of course, these statistics say nothing about who was at fault. However, even if we look at pedestrians killed on the footway or verge, the figures still show that the threat to pedestrians comes overwhelmingly from motor
vehicles, not pedal cycles. There were 226 pedestrians killed by motor vehicles on footways and verges in that five-ear period: 161 by cars, 65 by other vehicles. That’s an average of 45 a year, almost one a week. Even if
we double the period to a whole decade (2000-09), the total number of pedestrians killed by cycles on pavements or verges was just three.

To put it another way, the figures show it would take nearly one hundred and fifty-one years for people on pedal cycles to kill as many pedestrians on the footpath as cars have done each year from 2005-2009.
Figures from DFT

The latest figures are a lot worse than that.

In 2011 there were 203,950 road casualties reported to police. 1,901 of those were deaths. The most frequently reported cause was 'failed to look properly'.

The economic cost of all those collisions was over £15 billion.

http://assets.dft.go
v.uk/statistics/rele
ases/road-accidents-
and-safety-annual-re
port-2011/rrcgb2011-
00.pdf

The NHS kills more than 130,000 people every year - no one has demanded we ban that yet have they?

Why is it ANY story on this site about a vehicle crash instantly brings up the car vs bike saga again?

What is the point? I mean, a car is heavier than a bike, travels at faster speeds, and is a darn site wider, so it's more likely to hit someone.

Yet at the same time, SOME cyclists ride like they own the road (I've mentioned several times how my pregnant wife was nearly knocked over by a cyclist who ignored the red light at a pedrestrian crossing)

So, some drivers have their faults, some cyclists have their faults. Yes, cars kill more people than cyclists, but that's like saying trees are stronger in the wind than daffodils - it's obvious due to their different attributes. There cannot be an argument against it!

For one, I'd love to see a conversation about a vehicle accident that doesn't bring this senseless argument up. Some people like bikes, some like cars. Yes, it's good to sometimes DISCUSS - not ARGUE - thoughts and beliefs, but I swear some just come on here to bait.

We all think different things, and we're entitled to do so. No amount of arguing can change minds. So what's the point in doing it?

Grow up!

aduksquack wrote:

asbo industries inc wrote:
no, you are only half right. the crime is to have active, simultaneous usernames. the poster with a bicycle on this thread is using simultaneous usernames which he acknowledges above.

So it's worse to still be logged in with an old username on a different computer, than it is to be banned from the site every other week and have to change your username multiple times. How many bans have you had now? Six, seven? I'm losing count.

yes. why would you have simultaneous logins in the first place?

Rochford Rob wrote:
The bus shelter is / was just before the pedex as you travel in the direction of Southchurch. In a layby.

If you're thinking of the bus-stop just before the Crossing traffic lights, there has never been a bus shelter there. It's always been a Bus Stop sign on a pole. I know that,
as basildon.lad.1 said- I'm a busW!@$"%.... I know all the stops lmao

It's just so curious as to where this bus shelter is the supposed crash occurred. The only bus shelter along that road is right at the beginning nearby Maplin road, which, is not a layby, and still stands when the incident was meant to have occured.

Don’t know why you keep going on about cycles on the pavement because as a cyclist and car driver I’m well aware that cycling on today’s roads is just too dangerous so I’l l
continue to cycle on the pavement purely for self preservation and no amount of legislation or hot air from the self centred know-alls on here will make me change

Jose El Mezclador wrote:
Don’t know why you keep going on about cycles on the pavement because as a cyclist and car driver I’m well aware that cycling on today’s roads is just too dangerous so I’l l continue to cycle on the pavement purely for self preservation and no amount of legislation or hot air from the self centred know-alls on here will make me change

So when you come face to face with an old lady pushing her shopping trolly will you give way or expect her too?

Mother with buggy you or her?

Young guy just walking along him or you?


I drive, I ride a bike and I walk, I drive in the road, ride in the kerb I walk on the pavement.

asbo industries inc wrote:

aduksquack wrote:

asbo industries inc wrote:
no, you are only half right. the crime is to have active, simultaneous usernames. the poster with a bicycle on this thread is using simultaneous usernames which he acknowledges above.

So it's worse to still be logged in with an old username on a different computer, than it is to be banned from the site every other week and have to change your username multiple times. How many bans have you had now? Six, seven? I'm losing count.

yes. why would you have simultaneous logins in the first place?

Because it winds you up. It's fun watching you get all self-righteous, especially when you're the most banned person on this website.

PJR-121 wrote:
Why is it ANY story on this site about a vehicle crash instantly brings up the car vs bike saga again?

What is the point? I mean, a car is heavier than a bike, travels at faster speeds, and is a darn site wider, so it's more likely to hit someone.

Yet at the same time, SOME cyclists ride like they own the road (I've mentioned several times how my pregnant wife was nearly knocked over by a cyclist who ignored the red light at a pedrestrian crossing)

So, some drivers have their faults, some cyclists have their faults. Yes, cars kill more people than cyclists, but that's like saying trees are stronger in the wind than daffodils - it's obvious due to their different attributes. There cannot be an argument against it!

For one, I'd love to see a conversation about a vehicle accident that doesn't bring this senseless argument up. Some people like bikes, some like cars. Yes, it's good to sometimes DISCUSS - not ARGUE - thoughts and beliefs, but I swear some just come on here to bait.

We all think different things, and we're entitled to do so. No amount of arguing can change minds. So what's the point in doing it?

Grow up!

Some people like both bikes and cars. It isn't an either/or thing.

" I mean, a car is heavier than a bike, travels at faster speeds, and is a darn site wider, so it's more likely to hit someone."

Not if it's being driven properly and safely with due care and attention, and within the law.

"I've mentioned several times how my pregnant wife was nearly knocked over by a cyclist who ignored the red light at a pedrestrian crossing"

You mean she wasn't knocked down by a cyclist who ignored a red light*... If we use your criteria then every pedestrian can claim every car passing them "almost knocked me down". "That plane passing overhead almost hit my house…" etc. *and anyway this is pure anecdata with no evidence whatsoever to back it up.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

PJR-121 wrote: Why is it ANY story on this site about a vehicle crash instantly brings up the car vs bike saga again? What is the point? I mean, a car is heavier than a bike, travels at faster speeds, and is a darn site wider, so it's more likely to hit someone. Yet at the same time, SOME cyclists ride like they own the road (I've mentioned several times how my pregnant wife was nearly knocked over by a cyclist who ignored the red light at a pedrestrian crossing) So, some drivers have their faults, some cyclists have their faults. Yes, cars kill more people than cyclists, but that's like saying trees are stronger in the wind than daffodils - it's obvious due to their different attributes. There cannot be an argument against it! For one, I'd love to see a conversation about a vehicle accident that doesn't bring this senseless argument up. Some people like bikes, some like cars. Yes, it's good to sometimes DISCUSS - not ARGUE - thoughts and beliefs, but I swear some just come on here to bait. We all think different things, and we're entitled to do so. No amount of arguing can change minds. So what's the point in doing it? Grow up!

Some people like both bikes and cars. It isn't an either/or thing. " I mean, a car is heavier than a bike, travels at faster speeds, and is a darn site wider, so it's more likely to hit someone." Not if it's being driven properly and safely with due care and attention, and within the law. "I've mentioned several times how my pregnant wife was nearly knocked over by a cyclist who ignored the red light at a pedrestrian crossing" You mean she wasn't knocked down by a cyclist who ignored a red light*... If we use your criteria then every pedestrian can claim every car passing them "almost knocked me down". "That plane passing overhead almost hit my house…" etc. *and anyway this is pure anecdata with no evidence whatsoever to back it up.

If the car is being driven safely and within the law then yes - so why are people pointing to the statistics that cars kill and injure more people than bikes?

Pregnant wife - waited at the crossing having pushed the button. Light for crossing went green, so traffic lights were red. However, if someone hadn't pulled her out of the way, she'd have been hit.

My point with that is that not all cyclists are saints. I travel all over the UK, in cities, towns, and I see cyclists jump red lights - even at pedrestrian crossings when there's no traffic.

Now at a pedrestrian crossing, when the traffic lights are red, and the crossing lights are green, who has right of way?

And as for the 'it's not an either/or thing" - then why argue?

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

asbo industries inc wrote:

aduksquack wrote:

asbo industries inc wrote:
no, you are only half right. the crime is to have active, simultaneous usernames. the poster with a bicycle on this thread is using simultaneous usernames which he acknowledges above.

So it's worse to still be logged in with an old username on a different computer, than it is to be banned from the site every other week and have to change your username multiple times. How many bans have you had now? Six, seven? I'm losing count.

yes. why would you have simultaneous logins in the first place?

Because it winds you up. It's fun watching you get all self-righteous, especially when you're the most banned person on this website.

i can assure you i'm the one doing the winding. i feel it's my duty to point out your attempts to deceive the other posters who may not have noticed. whenever you need a character reference - be sure to let me know.

PJR-121 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

PJR-121 wrote: Why is it ANY story on this site about a vehicle crash instantly brings up the car vs bike saga again? What is the point? I mean, a car is heavier than a bike, travels at faster speeds, and is a darn site wider, so it's more likely to hit someone. Yet at the same time, SOME cyclists ride like they own the road (I've mentioned several times how my pregnant wife was nearly knocked over by a cyclist who ignored the red light at a pedrestrian crossing) So, some drivers have their faults, some cyclists have their faults. Yes, cars kill more people than cyclists, but that's like saying trees are stronger in the wind than daffodils - it's obvious due to their different attributes. There cannot be an argument against it! For one, I'd love to see a conversation about a vehicle accident that doesn't bring this senseless argument up. Some people like bikes, some like cars. Yes, it's good to sometimes DISCUSS - not ARGUE - thoughts and beliefs, but I swear some just come on here to bait. We all think different things, and we're entitled to do so. No amount of arguing can change minds. So what's the point in doing it? Grow up!

Some people like both bikes and cars. It isn't an either/or thing. " I mean, a car is heavier than a bike, travels at faster speeds, and is a darn site wider, so it's more likely to hit someone." Not if it's being driven properly and safely with due care and attention, and within the law. "I've mentioned several times how my pregnant wife was nearly knocked over by a cyclist who ignored the red light at a pedrestrian crossing" You mean she wasn't knocked down by a cyclist who ignored a red light*... If we use your criteria then every pedestrian can claim every car passing them "almost knocked me down". "That plane passing overhead almost hit my house…" etc. *and anyway this is pure anecdata with no evidence whatsoever to back it up.

If the car is being driven safely and within the law then yes - so why are people pointing to the statistics that cars kill and injure more people than bikes?

Pregnant wife - waited at the crossing having pushed the button. Light for crossing went green, so traffic lights were red. However, if someone hadn't pulled her out of the way, she'd have been hit.

My point with that is that not all cyclists are saints. I travel all over the UK, in cities, towns, and I see cyclists jump red lights - even at pedrestrian crossings when there's no traffic.

Now at a pedrestrian crossing, when the traffic lights are red, and the crossing lights are green, who has right of way?

And as for the 'it's not an either/or thing" - then why argue?

Because many here do not comprehend that it isn't an either/or thing. They whine about the costs of motoring and berate cyclists for choosing a cheaper alternative while completely missing the fact that there is nothing stopping them from using a bike too.

They then post irrational prejudice against cyclists purely because cyclists choose not to drive, because we choose not to be stuck in traffic going nowhere at huge cost.

There are even psychologists researching this irrational hatred. They think the prejudice, anger, and verbal and physical assaults on cyclists may actually stem from a mental illness or deficiency:

http://www.thepsycho
logist.org.uk/archiv
e/archive_home.cfm?v
olumeID=25&editionID
=217&ArticleID=2136

Re:...... There are even psychologists researching this irrational hatred. They think the prejudice, anger, and verbal and physical assaults on cyclists may actually stem from a mental illness or deficiency.......htt
p://www.thepsycho
logist.org.uk/archiv

e/archive_home.cfm?v

olumeID=25&editionID

=217&ArticleID=2136.
......

I can find nothing in that article to suggest that drivers expressing irrational hatred towards cyclists are mentally ill.

People getting somewhat off subject on the Echo website - now that's another matter

I HAVE RETURNED!

Joe Wildman: Just thought you might like to know that Shoebury_Cyclist/adu
ksquack also has the log in Lefty_Cyclist_Type and in his post 2:40pm Mon 22 Oct 12 he admits to having multi log in's so people take note of what they all have to say and ignore it.

So this car vs bike thing is still going on is it, give me a car over riding a bike in this weather!

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

PJR-121 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

PJR-121 wrote: Why is it ANY story on this site about a vehicle crash instantly brings up the car vs bike saga again? What is the point? I mean, a car is heavier than a bike, travels at faster speeds, and is a darn site wider, so it's more likely to hit someone. Yet at the same time, SOME cyclists ride like they own the road (I've mentioned several times how my pregnant wife was nearly knocked over by a cyclist who ignored the red light at a pedrestrian crossing) So, some drivers have their faults, some cyclists have their faults. Yes, cars kill more people than cyclists, but that's like saying trees are stronger in the wind than daffodils - it's obvious due to their different attributes. There cannot be an argument against it! For one, I'd love to see a conversation about a vehicle accident that doesn't bring this senseless argument up. Some people like bikes, some like cars. Yes, it's good to sometimes DISCUSS - not ARGUE - thoughts and beliefs, but I swear some just come on here to bait. We all think different things, and we're entitled to do so. No amount of arguing can change minds. So what's the point in doing it? Grow up!

Some people like both bikes and cars. It isn't an either/or thing. " I mean, a car is heavier than a bike, travels at faster speeds, and is a darn site wider, so it's more likely to hit someone." Not if it's being driven properly and safely with due care and attention, and within the law. "I've mentioned several times how my pregnant wife was nearly knocked over by a cyclist who ignored the red light at a pedrestrian crossing" You mean she wasn't knocked down by a cyclist who ignored a red light*... If we use your criteria then every pedestrian can claim every car passing them "almost knocked me down". "That plane passing overhead almost hit my house…" etc. *and anyway this is pure anecdata with no evidence whatsoever to back it up.

If the car is being driven safely and within the law then yes - so why are people pointing to the statistics that cars kill and injure more people than bikes? Pregnant wife - waited at the crossing having pushed the button. Light for crossing went green, so traffic lights were red. However, if someone hadn't pulled her out of the way, she'd have been hit. My point with that is that not all cyclists are saints. I travel all over the UK, in cities, towns, and I see cyclists jump red lights - even at pedrestrian crossings when there's no traffic. Now at a pedrestrian crossing, when the traffic lights are red, and the crossing lights are green, who has right of way? And as for the 'it's not an either/or thing" - then why argue?

Because many here do not comprehend that it isn't an either/or thing. They whine about the costs of motoring and berate cyclists for choosing a cheaper alternative while completely missing the fact that there is nothing stopping them from using a bike too. They then post irrational prejudice against cyclists purely because cyclists choose not to drive, because we choose not to be stuck in traffic going nowhere at huge cost. There are even psychologists researching this irrational hatred. They think the prejudice, anger, and verbal and physical assaults on cyclists may actually stem from a mental illness or deficiency: http://www.thepsycho logist.org.uk/archiv e/archive_home.cfm?v olumeID=25&editi
onID =217&ArticleID=2
136

Many on here do accept that it's an either/or thing. That's why we don't bother to post.

As it's the elite few why rise to it?

And - while I liked the "bloody cyclists" irony to start with - it's started these arguments.

Why not stop doing it for a few articles, and see if anything anti-cycling related is mentioned? You are starting the arguments by offering up the bait for those who want to bite.

I have not seen anything in this argument berating cyclists for chosing a cheaper cost. Ages ago there used to be the argument of 'why don't cyclists pay road tax (which you rightly pointed out doesn't exist, it's VED)' - but I've not seen that in ages.

You are happy with your ideals in life, so allow others to be happy with theirs. If people do have an irrational hatred toward cyclists so what? Why is it your problem? It's theirs, and it's up to them to deal with it.

I hate football and love motor racing, whic most people see as a sport where cars just race round in circles. I know it's more than that, but it doesn't mean I stand outside football grounds telling people they shouldn't follow it.

Max Impact wrote:
I HAVE RETURNED!

Joe Wildman: Just thought you might like to know that Shoebury_Cyclist/adu

ksquack also has the log in Lefty_Cyclist_Type and in his post 2:40pm Mon 22 Oct 12 he admits to having multi log in's so people take note of what they all have to say and ignore it.

So this car vs bike thing is still going on is it, give me a car over riding a bike in this weather!

I said no such thing. Still, it beats being a fantasist who claims to be a pilot and own an iPhone 5 in Italy… who when challenged to post a photo from Italy using that iPhone 5 then blethers about sending it back to the shop, and then demonstrates they don't even know the phonetic alphabet.

As I said above, I changed my username. I then used a different computer which was still logged in on the old username. Nothing sinister about that. But it does so get Asbo's knickers in a twist I might just carry on using both just to watch him froth himself into yet another banning.

Max Impact wrote:
I HAVE RETURNED!

Joe Wildman: Just thought you might like to know that Shoebury_Cyclist/adu

ksquack also has the log in Lefty_Cyclist_Type and in his post 2:40pm Mon 22 Oct 12 he admits to having multi log in's so people take note of what they all have to say and ignore it.

So this car vs bike thing is still going on is it, give me a car over riding a bike in this weather!

Let out early for good behaviour? :)

Nebs wrote:

Max Impact wrote: I HAVE RETURNED! Joe Wildman: Just thought you might like to know that Shoebury_Cyclist/adu ksquack also has the log in Lefty_Cyclist_Type and in his post 2:40pm Mon 22 Oct 12 he admits to having multi log in's so people take note of what they all have to say and ignore it. So this car vs bike thing is still going on is it, give me a car over riding a bike in this weather!

Let out early for good behaviour? :)

Nah, just could not be ar5ed posting tell it as it is.

Still "nice" to see the same old going on, nothing changes, well taking ballroom dancing lesons has been fun and getting hold of a fit bird with the wifes blessing how could I grumble!

ShoeburyGuy17 wrote:

Rochford Rob wrote:
The bus shelter is / was just before the pedex as you travel in the direction of Southchurch. In a layby.

If you're thinking of the bus-stop just before the Crossing traffic lights, there has never been a bus shelter there. It's always been a Bus Stop sign on a pole. I know that,
as basildon.lad.1 said- I'm a busW!@$"%.... I know all the stops lmao

It's just so curious as to where this bus shelter is the supposed crash occurred. The only bus shelter along that road is right at the beginning nearby Maplin road, which, is not a layby, and still stands when the incident was meant to have occured.

It will make you even more of a true bus wan!ker if you know the timetable off by heart for EVERY stop. Better so, if you have a copy of the local timetable on your bedside drawer!

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Max Impact wrote:
I HAVE RETURNED!

Joe Wildman: Just thought you might like to know that Shoebury_Cyclist/adu


ksquack also has the log in Lefty_Cyclist_Type and in his post 2:40pm Mon 22 Oct 12 he admits to having multi log in's so people take note of what they all have to say and ignore it.

So this car vs bike thing is still going on is it, give me a car over riding a bike in this weather!

I said no such thing. Still, it beats being a fantasist who claims to be a pilot and own an iPhone 5 in Italy… who when challenged to post a photo from Italy using that iPhone 5 then blethers about sending it back to the shop, and then demonstrates they don't even know the phonetic alphabet.

As I said above, I changed my username. I then used a different computer which was still logged in on the old username. Nothing sinister about that. But it does so get Asbo's knickers in a twist I might just carry on using both just to watch him froth himself into yet another banning.

don't think of it as banning. think of it as a change of username. on that note..i thought you might have metamorphosized as the shoebury clown. more apt don't you think?

What a lot of silly twaddle this all seems to be.
The report was about a CAR (apparently stolen) leaving the road.
WHOEVER MENTIONED A CYCLIST?

PJR-121 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

PJR-121 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

PJR-121 wrote: Why is it ANY story on this site about a vehicle crash instantly brings up the car vs bike saga again? What is the point? I mean, a car is heavier than a bike, travels at faster speeds, and is a darn site wider, so it's more likely to hit someone. Yet at the same time, SOME cyclists ride like they own the road (I've mentioned several times how my pregnant wife was nearly knocked over by a cyclist who ignored the red light at a pedrestrian crossing) So, some drivers have their faults, some cyclists have their faults. Yes, cars kill more people than cyclists, but that's like saying trees are stronger in the wind than daffodils - it's obvious due to their different attributes. There cannot be an argument against it! For one, I'd love to see a conversation about a vehicle accident that doesn't bring this senseless argument up. Some people like bikes, some like cars. Yes, it's good to sometimes DISCUSS - not ARGUE - thoughts and beliefs, but I swear some just come on here to bait. We all think different things, and we're entitled to do so. No amount of arguing can change minds. So what's the point in doing it? Grow up!

Some people like both bikes and cars. It isn't an either/or thing. " I mean, a car is heavier than a bike, travels at faster speeds, and is a darn site wider, so it's more likely to hit someone." Not if it's being driven properly and safely with due care and attention, and within the law. "I've mentioned several times how my pregnant wife was nearly knocked over by a cyclist who ignored the red light at a pedrestrian crossing" You mean she wasn't knocked down by a cyclist who ignored a red light*... If we use your criteria then every pedestrian can claim every car passing them "almost knocked me down". "That plane passing overhead almost hit my house…" etc. *and anyway this is pure anecdata with no evidence whatsoever to back it up.

If the car is being driven safely and within the law then yes - so why are people pointing to the statistics that cars kill and injure more people than bikes? Pregnant wife - waited at the crossing having pushed the button. Light for crossing went green, so traffic lights were red. However, if someone hadn't pulled her out of the way, she'd have been hit. My point with that is that not all cyclists are saints. I travel all over the UK, in cities, towns, and I see cyclists jump red lights - even at pedrestrian crossings when there's no traffic. Now at a pedrestrian crossing, when the traffic lights are red, and the crossing lights are green, who has right of way? And as for the 'it's not an either/or thing" - then why argue?

Because many here do not comprehend that it isn't an either/or thing. They whine about the costs of motoring and berate cyclists for choosing a cheaper alternative while completely missing the fact that there is nothing stopping them from using a bike too. They then post irrational prejudice against cyclists purely because cyclists choose not to drive, because we choose not to be stuck in traffic going nowhere at huge cost. There are even psychologists researching this irrational hatred. They think the prejudice, anger, and verbal and physical assaults on cyclists may actually stem from a mental illness or deficiency: http://www.thepsycho logist.org.uk/archiv e/archive_home.cfm?v olumeID=25&editi

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Many on here do accept that it's an either/or thing. That's why we don't bother to post.

As it's the elite few why rise to it?

And - while I liked the "bloody cyclists" irony to start with - it's started these arguments.

Why not stop doing it for a few articles, and see if anything anti-cycling related is mentioned? You are starting the arguments by offering up the bait for those who want to bite.

I have not seen anything in this argument berating cyclists for chosing a cheaper cost. Ages ago there used to be the argument of 'why don't cyclists pay road tax (which you rightly pointed out doesn't exist, it's VED)' - but I've not seen that in ages.

You are happy with your ideals in life, so allow others to be happy with theirs. If people do have an irrational hatred toward cyclists so what? Why is it your problem? It's theirs, and it's up to them to deal with it.

I hate football and love motor racing, whic most people see as a sport where cars just race round in circles. I know it's more than that, but it doesn't mean I stand outside football grounds telling people they shouldn't follow it.

"If people do have an irrational hatred toward cyclists so what? Why is it your problem?"

Because I'm one of many on bikes - just trying to get somewhere the same as everyone else - who will be subjected to abuse screamed out of windows, road-rage assaults, punishment passes, being cut up, being left-hooked, being barged off the road etc. all because I choose a different form of transport.

if you cycle with the same chippy philosophy that you post with, on this website, it is no surprise drivers behave as they allegedly do to you.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

PJR-121 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

PJR-121 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

PJR-121 wrote: Why is it ANY story on this site about a vehicle crash instantly brings up the car vs bike saga again? What is the point? I mean, a car is heavier than a bike, travels at faster speeds, and is a darn site wider, so it's more likely to hit someone. Yet at the same time, SOME cyclists ride like they own the road (I've mentioned several times how my pregnant wife was nearly knocked over by a cyclist who ignored the red light at a pedrestrian crossing) So, some drivers have their faults, some cyclists have their faults. Yes, cars kill more people than cyclists, but that's like saying trees are stronger in the wind than daffodils - it's obvious due to their different attributes. There cannot be an argument against it! For one, I'd love to see a conversation about a vehicle accident that doesn't bring this senseless argument up. Some people like bikes, some like cars. Yes, it's good to sometimes DISCUSS - not ARGUE - thoughts and beliefs, but I swear some just come on here to bait. We all think different things, and we're entitled to do so. No amount of arguing can change minds. So what's the point in doing it? Grow up!

Some people like both bikes and cars. It isn't an either/or thing. " I mean, a car is heavier than a bike, travels at faster speeds, and is a darn site wider, so it's more likely to hit someone." Not if it's being driven properly and safely with due care and attention, and within the law. "I've mentioned several times how my pregnant wife was nearly knocked over by a cyclist who ignored the red light at a pedrestrian crossing" You mean she wasn't knocked down by a cyclist who ignored a red light*... If we use your criteria then every pedestrian can claim every car passing them "almost knocked me down". "That plane passing overhead almost hit my house…" etc. *and anyway this is pure anecdata with no evidence whatsoever to back it up.

If the car is being driven safely and within the law then yes - so why are people pointing to the statistics that cars kill and injure more people than bikes? Pregnant wife - waited at the crossing having pushed the button. Light for crossing went green, so traffic lights were red. However, if someone hadn't pulled her out of the way, she'd have been hit. My point with that is that not all cyclists are saints. I travel all over the UK, in cities, towns, and I see cyclists jump red lights - even at pedrestrian crossings when there's no traffic. Now at a pedrestrian crossing, when the traffic lights are red, and the crossing lights are green, who has right of way? And as for the 'it's not an either/or thing" - then why argue?

Because many here do not comprehend that it isn't an either/or thing. They whine about the costs of motoring and berate cyclists for choosing a cheaper alternative while completely missing the fact that there is nothing stopping them from using a bike too. They then post irrational prejudice against cyclists purely because cyclists choose not to drive, because we choose not to be stuck in traffic going nowhere at huge cost. There are even psychologists researching this irrational hatred. They think the prejudice, anger, and verbal and physical assaults on cyclists may actually stem from a mental illness or deficiency: http://www.thepsycho logist.org.uk/archiv e/archive_home.cfm?v olumeID=25&editi onID =217&ArticleID=2 136

Many on here do accept that it's an either/or thing. That's why we don't bother to post. As it's the elite few why rise to it? And - while I liked the "bloody cyclists" irony to start with - it's started these arguments. Why not stop doing it for a few articles, and see if anything anti-cycling related is mentioned? You are starting the arguments by offering up the bait for those who want to bite. I have not seen anything in this argument berating cyclists for chosing a cheaper cost. Ages ago there used to be the argument of 'why don't cyclists pay road tax (which you rightly pointed out doesn't exist, it's VED)' - but I've not seen that in ages. You are happy with your ideals in life, so allow others to be happy with theirs. If people do have an irrational hatred toward cyclists so what? Why is it your problem? It's theirs, and it's up to them to deal with it. I hate football and love motor racing, whic most people see as a sport where cars just race round in circles. I know it's more than that, but it doesn't mean I stand outside football grounds telling people they shouldn't follow it.

"If people do have an irrational hatred toward cyclists so what? Why is it your problem?" Because I'm one of many on bikes - just trying to get somewhere the same as everyone else - who will be subjected to abuse screamed out of windows, road-rage assaults, punishment passes, being cut up, being left-hooked, being barged off the road etc. all because I choose a different form of transport.

Who will be - but how many times have you been? And how many cars have driven past you in your time as a cyclist?

And why keep bringing up the debate time and again?

Can you also accept that some drivers who cut you up, or drive too close, do so by accident, rather than as some form of vendetta, because you choose a different form of transport?

It comes across, especially there, that because you're on a bike you're automatically hated by all!

I get cut up a lot when I drive, I've had road rage incidents, I've been barged off the road a few times too - but I get on. I don't drive like a maniac unlike others, I choose to drive the way I drive - others don't like it then so what? I get on. We all do. World keeps moving...

Ive been involved in road rage incidents in a car and on a bike. One time on a bike, I was in London, and the cabbies up there think they own the road. I was crossing the road, and he was speeding down, I saw him through the window giving the W sign. As he passed his window was open, and I managed to spit straight into his face!

And in car road rage, Ive been involved In calling people cun'ts etc.. winding my window down asking for a fight. So not much then!

Well done Basildon.lad, that's the spirit. Let's see if we can rid the roads of cabbies - more room for peds and cyclists.