Occupy Southend will scale down for funeral (From Southend Standard)

b6947 wrote:
That's big of em! Stop their dole money - that will soon move the workshy b*stards!!

Eastwood Biker wrote:
I cannot believe they are allowed to get away with this. Next they will move into someone's garden or house and it will cost a fortune to get rid of them the law in this regard truly needs revising.

Max Impact wrote:
That’s big of them, so if they vote to stay on Saturday they will scale back the illegal camp for the funeral, but what is stopping them piling everything back on the moment the people attending the funeral leave?

This is a small attempt to win back some face a small attempt to get support back on their side but it’s too little too late, a hollow gesture that means little, the time to leave is now, not on Saturday, not on Sunday not Monday but now and leave the site completely and forever.

What about services on Sunday will they scale or better still completely remove the camp for them?

This is one protest too far from occupy and the members of skipp who have been very vocal in their support for this illegal action.

It’s time the two groups were put out to pasture their actions have criminalised the church and are clearly not what the people of Southend want or asked for.

I wonder what the press release will read...

kde wrote:
all that matters is occupy will stay

Max Impact wrote:
Yawn.

aducksquack trying his nest to get this thread locked out and messaged deleted.

So are people not permitted to have a view that if diffrent to yours or must we all support those that are breaking the law?

aduksquack wrote:

Max Impact wrote:
Yawn.

aducksquack trying his nest to get this thread locked out and messaged deleted.

So are people not permitted to have a view that if diffrent to yours or must we all support those that are breaking the law?

I would respect your view if it was yours, but it isn't. You're just mindlessly parroting what your Civic Centre tory masters tell you to say.

Nebs wrote:

aduksquack wrote:

Max Impact wrote: Yawn. aducksquack trying his nest to get this thread locked out and messaged deleted. So are people not permitted to have a view that if diffrent to yours or must we all support those that are breaking the law?

I would respect your view if it was yours, but it isn't. You're just mindlessly parroting what your Civic Centre tory masters tell you to say.

Do you recon Max might have rigged the local elections too. If he's the only one who thinks that way, and everyone else agrees with you, I wonder how they keep in power.

Nebs wrote:

aduksquack wrote:

Max Impact wrote:
Yawn.

aducksquack trying his nest to get this thread locked out and messaged deleted.

So are people not permitted to have a view that if diffrent to yours or must we all support those that are breaking the law?

I would respect your view if it was yours, but it isn't. You're just mindlessly parroting what your Civic Centre tory masters tell you to say.

Do you recon Max might have rigged the local elections too. If he's the only one who thinks that way, and everyone else agrees with you, I wonder how they keep in power.

Ross Kemp wrote:
after visiting today i am certain they will vote to stay on saturday

kde wrote:
Great work from occupy, and good to see so much support from the church goers. Occupy Southend is here to stay.

A Dermot wrote:
They are going to blockade Sutton Road Crematorium next or perhaps a hospice.

southendshrimper wrote:

kde wrote:
Great work from occupy, and good to see so much support from the church goers. Occupy Southend is here to stay.

Yeah great work, if you f*** off. Have some god dam respect will you. I already know you will fix the 'vote' to stay. You should ask the people of Southend. Bet you would get 1% to stay & 99% will tell you to go. You are illegally camping in a graveyard. Set up your illegal camp in your front garden then you can stay there. Occupy skipp craw back under the rock you came from & never come back.

katch22 wrote:

A Dermot wrote:
They are going to blockade Sutton Road Crematorium next or perhaps a hospice.

Crass comment re: the hospice.

Max Impact wrote:
What is the diffrence between a squatter and an occupy camper?

A squatter has a roof over his head it's not his but it is a roof!


I would be intrested to see the numbers and names of those on site during the day and over night. last announced number were 25 during the day and SIX at night, if you are going to protest don't be a fair waether warm waether protester be in for the laong haul.

LewisP wrote:
I am shocked by how many of you are objecting to a group of people who are saying exactly what the rest of us are muttering, that pay differentials have spiralled way out of proportion. I could understand your attitude if the protesters were violent and aggresive but they're not, they seem to be a very decent group who are doing all they can not to be a nuisance. What is even more surprising is that even the church, the supposed protector of the weak and the disenfranchised, is trying to get rid of them. It just shows what a bunch of hypocrites the CoE is. And most of the posters on here prove there is a direct correlation between fossilisation of the brain and the extreme right.

Max Impact wrote:
Yawn.

aducksquack trying his nest to get this thread locked out and messaged deleted.

So are people not permitted to have a view that if diffrent to yours or must we all support those that are breaking the law?

paulzone wrote:
The council and police moved the one man campsite from the seafront last week.. Why dont they move these freaks ?

kde wrote:
The area in use did one have housing on it, back in the 1920's

Max Impact wrote:

kde wrote:
The area in use did one have housing on it, back in the 1920's

I have never seen any photos of housing in the 1920's on the spot where the camp is, there was housing opposite the chippy and in fact all the way up to the museum was housing at one point.

Is it these you are thinking about? if youc an supply a link to photos of housing on the spot where the camp is I think everyone would be intrested in seeing them.

aduksquack wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

kde wrote:
The area in use did one have housing on it, back in the 1920's

I have never seen any photos of housing in the 1920's on the spot where the camp is, there was housing opposite the chippy and in fact all the way up to the museum was housing at one point.

Is it these you are thinking about? if youc an supply a link to photos of housing on the spot where the camp is I think everyone would be intrested in seeing them.

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kde wrote:
good luck to the occupy people, trying to fight for all

aduksquack wrote:

kde wrote:
good luck to the occupy people, trying to fight for all

Seconded.

aduksquack wrote:
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sash bore buoy wrote:

aduksquack wrote:
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that is disingeuous as the road was widened on the right hand side and the church is behind those buildings. more disinformation from the minister of dis-information

southendmechanic wrote:
they only question on the site that matters is On sunday 19th feb 2012 was the site that was stolen from the church of st mary the virgin in the parish of prittlewell part of the grave yard, which is not seperate or distiguished from any other ground of the church defined by the wall which covers all 4 sides of the church grounds?
If the answer of this is yes than its covered and protected in its use by law.

bigboy57 wrote:
I FOUND MY WATCH!

Cockle wrote:
IMHO these protesters have done more harm than good to their cause by choosing the site they did. Although it was obviously tempting to use the link to the Church by aping the St Paul's camp, a corner of one of our local church graveyards was never going to endear them to the majority who will see it as a distasteful lack of respect, whether it is intended, or not. Funnily enough I have a lot of sympathy with the Occupy movements views but cannot support their choice of site. Now, if they'd pitched up on the other side of the road on the green in front of Churchill Gardens........

katch22 wrote:

southendshrimper wrote:

kde wrote:
Great work from occupy, and good to see so much support from the church goers. Occupy Southend is here to stay.

Yeah great work, if you f*** off. Have some god dam respect will you. I already know you will fix the 'vote' to stay. You should ask the people of Southend. Bet you would get 1% to stay & 99% will tell you to go. You are illegally camping in a graveyard. Set up your illegal camp in your front garden then you can stay there. Occupy skipp craw back under the rock you came from & never come back.

Calm down dear, its only a protest!

BIRLIS wrote:

LewisP wrote: I am shocked by how many of you are objecting to a group of people who are saying exactly what the rest of us are muttering, that pay differentials have spiralled way out of proportion. I could understand your attitude if the protesters were violent and aggresive but they're not, they seem to be a very decent group who are doing all they can not to be a nuisance. What is even more surprising is that even the church, the supposed protector of the weak and the disenfranchised, is trying to get rid of them. It just shows what a bunch of hypocrites the CoE is. And most of the posters on here prove there is a direct correlation between fossilisation of the brain and the extreme right.

No, we are not all muttering what they are saying. Some of us completely disagree with their point of view.

aduksquack wrote:

sash bore buoy wrote:

aduksquack wrote:
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that is disingeuous as the road was widened on the right hand side and the church is behind those buildings. more disinformation from the minister of dis-information

It looks to me that at the very least that part of the churchyard was the backyards of those buildings.
But hey, you carry on ignoring the evidence and bleating your right-wing ignorance.

And it IS ignorance, because it has been proven that right-wingers are less intelligent than the rest of us. Don't believe me? Here it is in your very own right-wing bible:

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and the BEST bit of that story is the comments section, where right-wingers then go on to prove the study absolutely correct. :)

LewisP wrote:

BIRLIS wrote:

LewisP wrote: I am shocked by how many of you are objecting to a group of people who are saying exactly what the rest of us are muttering, that pay differentials have spiralled way out of proportion. I could understand your attitude if the protesters were violent and aggresive but they're not, they seem to be a very decent group who are doing all they can not to be a nuisance. What is even more surprising is that even the church, the supposed protector of the weak and the disenfranchised, is trying to get rid of them. It just shows what a bunch of hypocrites the CoE is. And most of the posters on here prove there is a direct correlation between fossilisation of the brain and the extreme right.

No, we are not all muttering what they are saying. Some of us completely disagree with their point of view.

Then you lot are very definitely in the minority as most people do not support massive bonuses for bankers and the ridiculous pay differentials we have today. Only the extreme right would be stupid enough to support this which makes you lot way out of synch with public sympathies.

sash bore buoy wrote:

LewisP wrote:

BIRLIS wrote:

LewisP wrote: I am shocked by how many of you are objecting to a group of people who are saying exactly what the rest of us are muttering, that pay differentials have spiralled way out of proportion. I could understand your attitude if the protesters were violent and aggresive but they're not, they seem to be a very decent group who are doing all they can not to be a nuisance. What is even more surprising is that even the church, the supposed protector of the weak and the disenfranchised, is trying to get rid of them. It just shows what a bunch of hypocrites the CoE is. And most of the posters on here prove there is a direct correlation between fossilisation of the brain and the extreme right.

No, we are not all muttering what they are saying. Some of us completely disagree with their point of view.

Then you lot are very definitely in the minority as most people do not support massive bonuses for bankers and the ridiculous pay differentials we have today. Only the extreme right would be stupid enough to support this which makes you lot way out of synch with public sympathies.

and the relevance of st mary's church to any of this is?

LewisP wrote:

BIRLIS wrote:

LewisP wrote: I am shocked by how many of you are objecting to a group of people who are saying exactly what the rest of us are muttering, that pay differentials have spiralled way out of proportion. I could understand your attitude if the protesters were violent and aggresive but they're not, they seem to be a very decent group who are doing all they can not to be a nuisance. What is even more surprising is that even the church, the supposed protector of the weak and the disenfranchised, is trying to get rid of them. It just shows what a bunch of hypocrites the CoE is. And most of the posters on here prove there is a direct correlation between fossilisation of the brain and the extreme right.

No, we are not all muttering what they are saying. Some of us completely disagree with their point of view.

Then you lot are very definitely in the minority as most people do not support massive bonuses for bankers and the ridiculous pay differentials we have today. Only the extreme right would be stupid enough to support this which makes you lot way out of synch with public sympathies.

sash bore buoy wrote:
well same relevance as yours frankly ducksuck. the question is what relevance have banker's bonuses got to do with st mary's church but duck the question (no pun intended)

j-w wrote:
and what doeas any of that have to do with a load of feckwits pitching up tents on church land?

j-w wrote:
except the church are not doing it on other peoples land!

j-w wrote:
its a lovely day, get your camera on and your bike out and go for a ride. youtube is crying out for some more southend cyclepath madness.

j-w wrote:
The irony of a lot of pagans setting up tents on church land get the hump when told to clear off and start quoting bible verses. lol

j-w wrote:
I went into a police station once but I am not a policeman!

aduksquack wrote:

j-w wrote: The irony of a lot of pagans setting up tents on church land get the hump when told to clear off and start quoting bible verses. lol

I saw no mention of any of the Occupy protesters being pagans. In fact many of them attended the church on Shrove Tuesday.

BIRLIS wrote:

LewisP wrote:

BIRLIS wrote:

LewisP wrote: I am shocked by how many of you are objecting to a group of people who are saying exactly what the rest of us are muttering, that pay differentials have spiralled way out of proportion. I could understand your attitude if the protesters were violent and aggresive but they're not, they seem to be a very decent group who are doing all they can not to be a nuisance. What is even more surprising is that even the church, the supposed protector of the weak and the disenfranchised, is trying to get rid of them. It just shows what a bunch of hypocrites the CoE is. And most of the posters on here prove there is a direct correlation between fossilisation of the brain and the extreme right.

No, we are not all muttering what they are saying. Some of us completely disagree with their point of view.

Then you lot are very definitely in the minority as most people do not support massive bonuses for bankers and the ridiculous pay differentials we have today. Only the extreme right would be stupid enough to support this which makes you lot way out of synch with public sympathies.

I think it might make me out of sync with people who aren't prepared to work hard but who like moan that they have less money than those who are, and out of sync with people who have no idea how business works and why some people are worth what they are paid (and what the effect of losing those people from business would be). Still, if you like living in a tent in a graveyard I guess you don't have much ambition or need much money. Just enough arrogance to assume that you speak for everyone seems to be enough to get by on.

Last Poster wrote:
LewisP: Interesting that you think some people are worth what they are paid, but do you actually extend that reasoning all the way down to the most menial of workers? In terms of value, not £sd, what should the average manual worker be paid for instance? Enough to buy his or her own house? How about holidays? How long should the worker be able to afford to be away on holiday abroad? Does it seem right to you that the average factory worker is only allowed annual holiday when the holiday prices are at their peak? If you really believe people should be paid what they are worth, Then why is it wholesalers have won the business awards for getting rich quicker more than any other sector, when all they do is buy cheap and sell dear. Especially, I might add, in the field of NHS medicines? Sadly, people like you also believe all they are fed by the right-wing owned papers!

LewisP wrote:

BIRLIS wrote:

LewisP wrote:

BIRLIS wrote:

LewisP wrote: I am shocked by how many of you are objecting to a group of people who are saying exactly what the rest of us are muttering, that pay differentials have spiralled way out of proportion. I could understand your attitude if the protesters were violent and aggresive but they're not, they seem to be a very decent group who are doing all they can not to be a nuisance. What is even more surprising is that even the church, the supposed protector of the weak and the disenfranchised, is trying to get rid of them. It just shows what a bunch of hypocrites the CoE is. And most of the posters on here prove there is a direct correlation between fossilisation of the brain and the extreme right.

No, we are not all muttering what they are saying. Some of us completely disagree with their point of view.

Then you lot are very definitely in the minority as most people do not support massive bonuses for bankers and the ridiculous pay differentials we have today. Only the extreme right would be stupid enough to support this which makes you lot way out of synch with public sympathies.

I think it might make me out of sync with people who aren't prepared to work hard but who like moan that they have less money than those who are, and out of sync with people who have no idea how business works and why some people are worth what they are paid (and what the effect of losing those people from business would be). Still, if you like living in a tent in a graveyard I guess you don't have much ambition or need much money. Just enough arrogance to assume that you speak for everyone seems to be enough to get by on.

You have just proven my point. I am far too old to go camping at this or any other time of the year but like the vast majority of the public I am deeply unhappy that wage differentials are larger now than they have been for almost a century. This is not fair and not right and you have just proven that you live on a different planet to most people by trying to defend it.

Last Poster wrote:
LewisP:

Interesting that you think some people are worth what they are paid, but do you actually extend that reasoning all the way down to the most menial of workers? In terms of value, not £sd, what should the average manual worker be paid for instance? Enough to buy his or her own house? How about holidays? How long should the worker be able to afford to be away on holiday abroad? Does it seem right to you that the average factory worker is only allowed annual holiday when the holiday prices are at their peak? If you really believe people should be paid what they are worth, Then why is it wholesalers have won the business awards for getting rich quicker more than any other sector, when all they do is buy cheap and sell dear. Especially, I might add, in the field of NHS medicines? Sadly, people like you also believe all they are fed by the right-wing owned papers!

southendmechanic wrote:

aduksquack wrote:

j-w wrote: The irony of a lot of pagans setting up tents on church land get the hump when told to clear off and start quoting bible verses. lol

I saw no mention of any of the Occupy protesters being pagans. In fact many of them attended the church on Shrove Tuesday.

wrong the skipp three are all pagans in the very least. hey goto the facebook web page of skipp and click on some of the most avid posters of messages reguarding skipp and occupy and hey presto quite a few have many pagan pages as their intrests and some are even moderators of those pages. remember many people in prittlewell know these nutters from our encounters in priory crecent.
One thing is why pick on st marys as it is the parish church of prittlewell and although in the borough of southend it really deserves and should be described as prittlewell.
so really this is occupy prittlewell not southend.

aduksquack wrote:

sash bore buoy wrote:
well same relevance as yours frankly ducksuck. the question is what relevance have banker's bonuses got to do with st mary's church but duck the question (no pun intended)

The relevance is that the church claims to champion the poor and to stand against injustice. AS such people have always turned to the church in times of hardship and injustice:

“I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” Matthew 19:23-24

And:

Luke 12:13-15

13 Then someone called from the crowd, “Teacher, please tell my brother to divide our father’s estate with me.”
14 Jesus replied, “Friend, who made me a judge over you to decide such things as that?”
15 Then he said, “Beware! Guard against every kind of greed. Life is not measured by how much you own.”

sash bore buoy wrote:

aduksquack wrote:

sash bore buoy wrote:
well same relevance as yours frankly ducksuck. the question is what relevance have banker's bonuses got to do with st mary's church but duck the question (no pun intended)

The relevance is that the church claims to champion the poor and to stand against injustice. AS such people have always turned to the church in times of hardship and injustice:

“I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” Matthew 19:23-24

And:

Luke 12:13-15

13 Then someone called from the crowd, “Teacher, please tell my brother to divide our father’s estate with me.”
14 Jesus replied, “Friend, who made me a judge over you to decide such things as that?”
15 Then he said, “Beware! Guard against every kind of greed. Life is not measured by how much you own.”

funny an athiest taking such a keen interest in the bible all of a sudden. nothing more than a convenient figleaf for a soft target. you are fighting "hardship and injustice" - offer them your back garden or live with the hypocrite label ducksuck.

sash bore buoy wrote:
are you unable to answer a direct queston apluckofbacksackandc

rack? why have you not offered your garden for the occupy protesters?

LewisP wrote:

Last Poster wrote:
LewisP: Interesting that you think some people are worth what they are paid, but do you actually extend that reasoning all the way down to the most menial of workers? In terms of value, not £sd, what should the average manual worker be paid for instance? Enough to buy his or her own house? How about holidays? How long should the worker be able to afford to be away on holiday abroad? Does it seem right to you that the average factory worker is only allowed annual holiday when the holiday prices are at their peak? If you really believe people should be paid what they are worth, Then why is it wholesalers have won the business awards for getting rich quicker more than any other sector, when all they do is buy cheap and sell dear. Especially, I might add, in the field of NHS medicines? Sadly, people like you also believe all they are fed by the right-wing owned papers!

What are you talking about? Do you understand what wage differentials mean? What we are talking about is the difference between the highest paid and the lowest paid and that equation has spiralled out of all proportion. We are not only at a point where differentials are larger than they have been for almost a century but differentials are also wider in the UK than anywhere else in Europe. Currently bankers annual bonuses are more than most people earn in a lifetime, which is morally abhorent and must change NOW! So good luck to everyone at the Occupy site, they are saying what most people are saying and if you don't believe that go check out the surveys.

BIRLIS wrote:
So what's the most you would like anyone to earn?

Last Poster wrote:

BIRLIS wrote:
So what's the most you would like anyone to earn?

The key there is earn. If you were to judge who was worth the most in terms of the National economy, the Pit boss, the land owner or the miner, it would be the miner every time. Just before the first world war, Russian labour was brought into the mines, to defeat miners claims for a living wage. (Remember, to exist, miners had to take their children "Below" for a full days labour. The wives earned a pittance as "Sorters" at the surface. the whole family was liable to several ghastly, fatal, Lung disorders. Yet the pit bosses and the land owners were known as "The wealth creators" in their day (Many landowners enjoyed luxuries such as nine-course meals whilst their serfs below ground could not afford meat!)
The problem is, too many people think that the British worker was greedy. I have been working most of my life but know not one person who envied the money grubbers. They were despised mainly because of a system where "Investing" money Guaranties large incomes, without actually producing one nut or bolt on anything. So, in answer to your question, I would not pay the top earners in washers!

Nebs wrote:

Last Poster wrote:

BIRLIS wrote:
So what's the most you would like anyone to earn?

The key there is earn. If you were to judge who was worth the most in terms of the National economy, the Pit boss, the land owner or the miner, it would be the miner every time. Just before the first world war, Russian labour was brought into the mines, to defeat miners claims for a living wage. (Remember, to exist, miners had to take their children "Below" for a full days labour. The wives earned a pittance as "Sorters" at the surface. the whole family was liable to several ghastly, fatal, Lung disorders. Yet the pit bosses and the land owners were known as "The wealth creators" in their day (Many landowners enjoyed luxuries such as nine-course meals whilst their serfs below ground could not afford meat!)
The problem is, too many people think that the British worker was greedy. I have been working most of my life but know not one person who envied the money grubbers. They were despised mainly because of a system where "Investing" money Guaranties large incomes, without actually producing one nut or bolt on anything. So, in answer to your question, I would not pay the top earners in washers!

So what's the most you would like anyone to earn?

aduksquack wrote:
Put the politicians on minimum wage and watch how fast things change.

katch22 wrote:

aduksquack wrote:
Put the politicians on minimum wage and watch how fast things change.

Or make it a vocation again and see them scurrying like rats for the gold hills of the city square mile.

Nebs wrote:

katch22 wrote:

aduksquack wrote:
Put the politicians on minimum wage and watch how fast things change.

Or make it a vocation again and see them scurrying like rats for the gold hills of the city square mile.

For most of them it is a vocation in the sense that they could earn so much more in business than in politics. It worked for Blair.

Last Poster wrote:

Nebs wrote:

katch22 wrote:

aduksquack wrote:
Put the politicians on minimum wage and watch how fast things change.

Or make it a vocation again and see them scurrying like rats for the gold hills of the city square mile.

For most of them it is a vocation in the sense that they could earn so much more in business than in politics. It worked for Blair.

Yes, but Blair had a lot of strings to his bow. He used to do that quiz with Aspell and Stubbs, and he was a very good dancer. He also masterminded the "Which" Project, if my memory serves me.
Oh, and Tony Blair, his brother, was the first PM to run Question time without the need of rehearsed questions. and he was in a band. I think the Blairs should be Bankers!

Nebs wrote:

katch22 wrote:

aduksquack wrote:
Put the politicians on minimum wage and watch how fast things change.

Or make it a vocation again and see them scurrying like rats for the gold hills of the city square mile.

For most of them it is a vocation in the sense that they could earn so much more in business than in politics. It worked for Blair.

katch22 wrote:

Nebs wrote:

katch22 wrote:

aduksquack wrote:
Put the politicians on minimum wage and watch how fast things change.

Or make it a vocation again and see them scurrying like rats for the gold hills of the city square mile.

For most of them it is a vocation in the sense that they could earn so much more in business than in politics. It worked for Blair.

There is no evidence to show that is the case. Most are egomaniacs who want/need the power to manage.

Nebs wrote:

Last Poster wrote:

Nebs wrote:

katch22 wrote:

aduksquack wrote:
Put the politicians on minimum wage and watch how fast things change.

Or make it a vocation again and see them scurrying like rats for the gold hills of the city square mile.

For most of them it is a vocation in the sense that they could earn so much more in business than in politics. It worked for Blair.

Yes, but Blair had a lot of strings to his bow. He used to do that quiz with Aspell and Stubbs, and he was a very good dancer. He also masterminded the "Which" Project, if my memory serves me.
Oh, and Tony Blair, his brother, was the first PM to run Question time without the need of rehearsed questions. and he was in a band. I think the Blairs should be Bankers!

Lionel Blair was top class in Give us A Clue. He would stand up, not say anything, make a few hand gestures, and everyone had to guess what he was trying to do. His brother, Tony, did much the same thing at Prime Ministers Questions.