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Updated: Tories' clean sweep in Rochford
3:20pm Friday 5th June 2009
THE Conservatives swept the board at the Essex County Council elections in Rochford and Rayleigh.
The Tories held on to their seats in all five divisions in the district.
The British National Party gained more votes than Labour in every division.
The Conservatives were re-elected across the board and Labour came last in all but one area.
County council Olympics superemo, Stephen Castle, for Rayleigh North, was re-elected.
Mavis Webster was delighted to win Rayleigh South and Tory chief whip at County Hall, Tracey Chapman, won back her seat in Rochford north.
Roy Pearson was elected again in Rochford South and county council chairman Bonnie Hart for Rochford West.
Labour prospective candidate for Rochford and Southend East Kevin Bonavia said: “It is clearly a disappointing night for Labour across the area. It is a shame national politics have let down for excellent local candidates.”
It was a good night for the British National Party which saw its candidates come second in two of the three Rochford seats but failed to make any impact in Rayleigh. It was the first time the party has stood in any county council seats in the area.
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Your Say Your Southend
LocalBoy, Hawkwell says...
8:17am Fri 5 Jun 09
LocalBoy, Hawkwell says...
8:17am Fri 5 Jun 09
Rocky, Hadleigh says...
8:37am Fri 5 Jun 09
Chris Black, Rayleigh says...
9:23am Fri 5 Jun 09
margrete, Rochford says...
9:35am Fri 5 Jun 09
Commiserations to my friends John and Paula Hayter, English Democrats (Rayleigh North and South respectively).
The BNP people whom I met last night seemed to be young, smart, intelligent, well-organised people. They told me they now have a branch in Rochford - it's only been going for 3 months and they were able to achieve this, gaining more votes than Labour in every division.
I see no reason why anyone should be 'ashamed', or that anyone should start throwing around the 'racist' accusation. This word is one of the easiest to use, with the least justification. Being a nationalist does not automatically make you a racist, whatever that Marxist term really means.
Chris Black, Rayleigh says...
10:27am Fri 5 Jun 09
proud2bbritish, ashingdon says...
11:42am Fri 5 Jun 09
I think the tories discraced themselves last night with their silly remarks, it only proves their arrogance is equal 2 Labours and although i accept they will win the next general election they will fail yet again-then it will be our turn!
ps thanks margrete for the unbias remarks.
margrete, Rochford says...
12:46pm Fri 5 Jun 09
Chris Black wrote:Labour have the advantage of being a long-established party, has been in office for 12 years now, before that was in office many times during the last century and introduced many reforms which have benefited the people of this country - the NHS is an obvious example.
Margrete - it was no great achievement to come ahead of Labour last night - and the BNP percentage vote was considerably down compared with previous elections in Hullbridge and Hockley.
As a member of a relatively new party, the EDP, we find the disadvantage at every stage is that few people have ever heard of us. This election was the first time ever that we've had a Party Political Broadcast.
The BNP, by contrast, gets publicity, but mostly it gets nothing but negative publicity. I think media representatives have taken a vow or something that nothing good can be said about the BNP - in any case, it appears that they can't mention BNP without appending 'odious' or some other negative qualifying adjective. I know little about Hullbridge and Hockley, but this is the first time, to my knowledge, that a BNP person has stood in my town, Rochford, and I've voted in every election since I came to live here in 1990. In fact, some elections I've been faced with the 3 usual suspects and in despair I've written 'None of these!' I stood myself last year but came nowhere, but on that occasion I believe Labour came after me, and Myra Weir (Labour) still can't give me a civil word!!!
Chris, there is a lot of Euro-scepticism about now, particularly since we were promised a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty but it didn't happen. John Hayter has found that people's concerns are (1) immigration and (2) the EU. Very many people want us out of it. Your party is, forgive the words, so far up Europe's a**e that we can't trust you, whatever else you stand for (and one man I have a lot of time for is Vince Cable).
I think that if the BNP have managed to come this far with all the opprobrium that is slung at them, without millionaire backers or union subscriptions, then you will hear much more of them as time goes on. I make that prediction. Remember my words.
Stop the UAF, Basildon says...
1:08pm Fri 5 Jun 09
You are correct in pointing out to Chris Black that this is the first time the BNP have contested the County Council Elections. With vote shares as high as 16.69% the BNP have indeed made remarkable strides in so short a time.
A real shame the proceedings were soured with the unnecessary arrogance and well rehearsed childish name calling from Stephen Castle and Tracey Chapman.
The BNP have merely offered the people of Rochford & District a democratic choice.
After all, were not the Conservatives themselves standing on a platform of 'Vote for Change'.
LocalBoy, Hawkwell says...
1:41pm Fri 5 Jun 09
The BNP are a racist party with a racist agenda and by default racists vote for them. If you think otherwise you really are kidding yourself, but not fooling the rest of us.
As for Magerete you really need to study the lessons of history. Smart, intelligent, well-organised. Is this 2009 or 1930?
eastendboy, Rochford says...
1:42pm Fri 5 Jun 09
It was interesting to note that all of the 'fringe ' parties managed to converse in a friendly and intelligent manner without the need to resort to gutter politics. The BNP have an excellent range of policies in all areas and are the fastest growing party in (what is left of) Britain.
I would like to thank Margrete for her kind comments and all of the party representatives who chatted with us throughout the evening (Including one enlightened Tory!). I would also congratulate the EDP on some very outstanding results.
Stop the UAF, Basildon says...
1:56pm Fri 5 Jun 09
LocalBoy wrote:Three short paragraphs of puerile rhetoric and platitudes.
You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time. But you will not fool all of the people all of the time. The BNP are a racist party with a racist agenda and by default racists vote for them. If you think otherwise you really are kidding yourself, but not fooling the rest of us. As for Magerete you really need to study the lessons of history. Smart, intelligent, well-organised. Is this 2009 or 1930?
Hardly worth the cyber space.
Margarete's comments reflect a far greater level of understanding than you appear to possess.
proud2bbritish, ashingdon says...
2:16pm Fri 5 Jun 09
I am old enough to remember the Tories in power take it from me the working class is in for a hammering!
Vote BNP the Labour party your Dad would have joined!
margrete, Rochford says...
2:31pm Fri 5 Jun 09
I've heard the arrogant comments of Tories before, and I didn't want to hang around to hear them, although the lady I sat with at Rayleigh Methodist Church when we were both tellers yesterday afternoon was nice, friendly and ordinary.
At the count I heard Mavis Webster boasting 'I have a well-organised experienced mature team and they swing into action'. Which is one of the things that we in the EDP lack. There are just too few of us to inform voters about who we are and what our policies are. Brian Lee, our local chairman, has a lot of political experience in other parties, but we haven't the resources of any of the bigger parties. We have no helpful millionaires or trade union subscriptions and all this does actually cost a fortune.
As for me, I have read a fair bit of history, so to trot out '1930' at me isn't productive. That was 5 years before I was born, by the way, and I have seen a lot since then.
Eastendboy, I wonder if you were one of the people I talked to last night. You're married to a foreign national - well, my husband is a third-generation immigrant but, as we English Democrats say, he has 'England in his heart' and that is all that matters. His grandparents were fleeing for their lives, and who can blame them. I am well aware of what will have happened to any relatives who chose to stay, and also what would have happened to him and all his relations if we hadn't 'stood alone' in 1940.
As for 'racist', the word which is bandied about so freely, few of those who use it can give me an accurate definition. I believe it was Trotsky who coined this term originally. When I was growing up we never heard such a word, although probably, there were words around then which would fall into that category. 'Johnny Foreigner' was one that I remember.
Please tell me - what were John and Paula's results?
Stop the UAF, Basildon says...
2:41pm Fri 5 Jun 09
http://www.rochford.
gov.uk/council__demo
cracy/elections/elec
tion_results.aspx
John received 718 votes coming third, whilst Paula came second with a vote of 847.
Very credible results for both candidates and congratulations.
margrete, Rochford says...
3:06pm Fri 5 Jun 09
Rocky wrote:I have often wondered this myself. In particular, I've wondered what the results would look like if the voting pattern was really representative. When you have a turnout of 30-35% the result can hardly be said to be representative of the other 65-70% of the population. I think we have more than enough compulsion nowadays and, as a person who has always voted throughout my adult life (having read some history I know what a long and difficult road it was to adult franchise) I can't really comprehend why people wouldn't vote. Especially those who are professional moaners but don't get up of their behinds to vote!! Having said that, my neighbours on both sides are away on holiday at present and 'didn't think' of getting a postal vote before they went. It's just not a big priority in many people's minds, also, there is the apathy which is not helped by this headline 'Tories' clean sweep'.
Should it be compulsory for all those eligible to vote, to vote? Would this affect any overall result throughout the country?
Just like last year, I am reminded of that famous quote by Lord Acton 'Power tends to corrupt, absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely'. In other words, if you are sure that your position is unassailable, the arrogance will be obvious, as has been described above.
Thanks for the link to the results. I just wish that we nationalists and patriots did not have to compete...
woody88, Southend says...
3:15pm Fri 5 Jun 09
margrete wrote:The BNP is racist at its core.
"The British National Party gained more votes than Labour in every division." Commiserations to my friends John and Paula Hayter, English Democrats (Rayleigh North and South respectively). The BNP people whom I met last night seemed to be young, smart, intelligent, well-organised people. They told me they now have a branch in Rochford - it's only been going for 3 months and they were able to achieve this, gaining more votes than Labour in every division. I see no reason why anyone should be 'ashamed', or that anyone should start throwing around the 'racist' accusation. This word is one of the easiest to use, with the least justification. Being a nationalist does not automatically make you a racist, whatever that Marxist term really means.
http://shanecroucher
.wordpress.com/2009/
05/29/nick-griffins-
hidden-agenda/
I'm embarassed to come from an are where BNP support is apparently quite strong.
woody88, Southend says...
3:16pm Fri 5 Jun 09
Stop the UAF, Basildon says...
3:23pm Fri 5 Jun 09
A truly stunning result, and one which will bring much joy to you and your fellow party members, all of whom were most gracious and polite to myself and our party contingent last evening.
margrete, Rochford says...
3:35pm Fri 5 Jun 09
Stop the UAF wrote:Wow, that really is good news! But then, it's this kind of grass-roots growth which we need, which is where your party has been growing and gaining support steadily over the past few years. Our disadvantage has been in getting noticed and getting our message across.
Margrete...as an aside, in case you have not yet heard, the EDP have won the Mayoral Election in Doncaster.
A truly stunning result, and one which will bring much joy to you and your fellow party members, all of whom were most gracious and polite to myself and our party contingent last evening.
Woody88, if you object to the BNP so vehemently, had you not ever considered the EDP as a possible alternative? We are sometimes criticised for being 'civic nationalist' rather than 'ethnic nationalist'. However, you should be clear about one thing: the UK, and England in particular, is full up and cannot take any more incomers, especially those who have no love for our English way of life, our culture, our laws, our values, our language and in fact, only seek to undermine our ways and impose their ways on us. If this is what you define as 'racism' then so be it. I admit the charge.
proud2bbritish, ashingdon says...
3:37pm Fri 5 Jun 09
What have the likes of you and the traitor Tories ever done for this country apart from giving it away!
Hitler would of been proud of you!
proud2bbritish, ashingdon says...
3:43pm Fri 5 Jun 09
eastendboy, Rochford says...
3:49pm Fri 5 Jun 09
Can Labour not be considered racist when they favour incoming ethnic minorities over the indigenous people and those people who have come here in previous generations and helped to build our country. Why should we just sit idly by when bogus asylum seekers are allowed in when clearly they have crossed numerous safe countries to get here and then have everything handed to them on a silver platter?
Is Section 5 of the Race Relations Act not in itself racist in allowing jobs to be advertised for ethnic minorities only?
It is all too easy to bandy around the word 'racist' willy nilly without first considering exactly what it means (as Margrete very clearly alluded to in her mention of Trotsky). Self-preservation and wishing to retain ones culture and heritage is not racism. The mainstream parties' only defence left is to use this all-encompassing term to cling to power. Even their constant smears and underhand tactics are fast wearing thin with the great British public.
Karin Smith, says...
12:02am Sat 6 Jun 09
Are you not aware of what their Constitution states? The BNP is "... committed to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration and to restoring, by legal changes, negotiation and consent the overwhelmingly white makeup of the British population that existed in Britain prior to 1948."
&
"... firm but voluntary incentives for immigrants and their descendants to return home."
Karin Smith, says...
12:22am Sat 6 Jun 09
However, it depends which racism we are talking about. Institutional racism, reverse racism or racial ethnic discrimination. All three are present within the BNP.
The Human Rights Act bans any form of racism.
Also, I was telling at the Methodist Church between noon and 3. Around 2.30, an elderly gentleman arrived, wearing a English Dem rosette. Initially, in his panic to 'grab' incoming voters for their polling number, he literally knock me out of the way. I put it down to inexperience and let it go. Please do not let enthusiasm override good manners. Next time, I might not be so considerate.
woody88, Southend says...
12:57am Sat 6 Jun 09
margrete wrote:No Margrete.
Stop the UAF wrote: Margrete...as an aside, in case you have not yet heard, the EDP have won the Mayoral Election in Doncaster. A truly stunning result, and one which will bring much joy to you and your fellow party members, all of whom were most gracious and polite to myself and our party contingent last evening.Wow, that really is good news! But then, it's this kind of grass-roots growth which we need, which is where your party has been growing and gaining support steadily over the past few years. Our disadvantage has been in getting noticed and getting our message across. Woody88, if you object to the BNP so vehemently, had you not ever considered the EDP as a possible alternative? We are sometimes criticised for being 'civic nationalist' rather than 'ethnic nationalist'. However, you should be clear about one thing: the UK, and England in particular, is full up and cannot take any more incomers, especially those who have no love for our English way of life, our culture, our laws, our values, our language and in fact, only seek to undermine our ways and impose their ways on us. If this is what you define as 'racism' then so be it. I admit the charge.
With regards to the BNP, I consider it racist owing to the likes of Nick Griffin and Mark Collett running the party.
If you dig a little deeper it's not hard to see how inherently racist the BNP are, at their core.
I have no doubt that unsuspecting individuals, concerned about Britain and mass immigration, who perhaps aren't racist but deluded into thinking the BNP aren't, vote for them.
But it doesn't take a lot of research to see why the BNP do not belong as a legitimate political party.
As for the EDP, no I don't consider them as an alternative for me. I'm not so isolationist.
Karin Smith, says...
12:58am Sat 6 Jun 09
As all Conservatives do, when they stand for election. You will see evidence of that when the General Election comes along. I mean no disrespect. However, Parliament must be run by MPs, across parties, who know what they are doing and have the electorate's interest at heart first.
eastendboy, Rochford says...
8:06am Sat 6 Jun 09
I am very aware of what the BNP's manifesto states; I wonder how many Tory voters could say likewise about their own manifesto? Having been a Thatcherite for many years (although no longer), I am fully aware of how politics has changed in that there is hardly any difference between New Labour and the Conservatives. Between them they have destroyed our feeling of identity and made us second class citizens in our own country. Blair became 'all things to all people' just to get elected and Cameron has followed suit. False promises to the electorate just make us feel even more disenfranchised.
The BNP are not a one policy party as is all too often suggested. They have excellent policies on Crime, Education, The EU and health. As they say in their myriad of leaflets and literature, if you agree with more of their policies than those of the other parties then you should vote for them. I do not agree with all of their policies but it is clear they are the only party who can turn around our country economically!
eastendboy, Rochford says...
8:15am Sat 6 Jun 09
Karin Smith wrote:Therein, by your own admission, lies the problem.
"At the count I heard Mavis Webster boasting 'I have a well-organised experienced mature team and they swing into action'." As all Conservatives do, when they stand for election. You will see evidence of that when the General Election comes along. I mean no disrespect. However, Parliament must be run by MPs, across parties, who know what they are doing and have the electorate's interest at heart first.
The Tories only swing into action come election time when they want our vote. We never ever see them any other time. We are different. We will be maintaining a high profile presence all year, every year and working in the community to help all people even though we gained no seats in Rochford District.
margrete, Rochford says...
10:27am Sat 6 Jun 09
Karin Smith wrote:That was Ron, one of our stalwarts. I took over from him at 3 pm. I'm sure he didn't mean to knock you out of the way. He's the type of Englishman who is the salt of the earth and even at his advanced age, he stands up for what he believes in. He would have meant no discourtesy and would be the first to apologise. He doesn't hear too well.
I don't bandy around the word racism.
However, it depends which racism we are talking about. Institutional racism, reverse racism or racial ethnic discrimination. All three are present within the BNP.
The Human Rights Act bans any form of racism.
Also, I was telling at the Methodist Church between noon and 3. Around 2.30, an elderly gentleman arrived, wearing a English Dem rosette. Initially, in his panic to 'grab' incoming voters for their polling number, he literally knock me out of the way. I put it down to inexperience and let it go. Please do not let enthusiasm override good manners. Next time, I might not be so considerate.
All of us would like our England back, as she used to be. Except, of course, for the class-distinctions which I remember so well. We don't want 80% of our legislation coming from Europe. We don't want to be told that England no longer exists, that our native land is 9 regions which are part of Europe. We don't even like the name 'Eastern Region' with the unelected regional authority. We are the Eastern Counties of England. The Human Rights Act is a complete nonsense and should be repealed. Some of these woolly ideals sound fine in theory, but can be misused by the unscrupulous, as we have seen. Like the free movement of labour - fine in theory, and in small numbers, but as we have seen in the last few years, it can be disastrous in practice. Other countries seem to cope better - it's no good going to France looking for a job if you don't speak French, and you won't get a job ahead of a French person, assuming there are any jobs. We have to fall over backwards to accommodate people's 'human rights' and 'not be racist'. The Germans seem to have kept their industry - Dornier and Zeppelin are still flourishing on the shores of Lake Constance - where has our industry gone to? We have to allow European firms to compete against us and we have to allow foreigners their 'human rights'.
'Parliament must be run by MPs who know what they're doing'? Please don't make me laugh. I think James Duddridge has his heart in the right place but as for some of them - they're enough to make a cat laugh. I would like it to be made compulsory for any prospective MP to have held down a proper job before even thinking of standing for election. Alice Mahon (Red Alice) of Calderdale was a woman I had a lot of time for, she had been one of the best of Old Labour who had worked for her living. I have absolutely no time for any 'career politicians' who do a non-job straight from university and then, you say, know what they're doing? In a pig's ear.
proud2bbritish, ashingdon says...
11:04am Sat 6 Jun 09
margrete, Rochford says...
11:30am Sat 6 Jun 09
Karin, you have not yet defined 'racism' in any of its forms. This is what I mean by the term being bandied about unknowingly.
I will give you one example of what I believe to be racism. If you apply for a higher education course, as I did last year to the Open University, you'll be asked to state your ethnic origin. Only, my ethnic origin does not exist according to the Higher Education Statistics Agency. I am English. There is no space for that. I was told I could be white British, Scottish, Irish, Welsh or even Irish traveller, but not white English. I opted for 'white other' and then was told I couldn't even be that.
I took advice on this one and I learned, from an organisation called the English Lobby which resists racism against the English, that it isn't allowed under the Race Relations Act 1974 to deny someone their ethnic or national origin. This is where the Irish travellers have got into the classification - they are what they say they are. Only we English are told we are not what we say we are - we have to be what we're told - white British.
I had 6 months to lay a complaint against HESA under the RRA, but unfortunately, events overtook me - my husband was so ill and for so long - there were other priorities.
Now, this is not serious for me. I don't need yet another degree. It IS serious when it's applied to every prospective student - many thousands - within these islands.
We are now reduced to looking fearfully over our shoulders in case we're accused of racism. We can't have our traditional jokes any longer: 'There was an Englishman, a Scotsman and an Irishman...' most of this was gentle humour poking fun at ourselves, the kind of self-deprecating humour that the Jews are so good at, and the English used to be. 'There was a vicar, an imam and a rabbi...' it wouldn't be allowed.
typhoon32, Southend says...
11:44am Sat 6 Jun 09
Oh the BNP isn't racist at all, not at all, they are very civilized peoples.
Funny that yet most of their councilors are no doubt violent criminals or at least they look like it.
I hear what you BNP supporters say 'well most MPs are anyway'
what naive people you are if you believe that comment.
You don't have to believe everything the media says you know.
Oh and you BNP lot what does your policy clearly state on racism then if you claim you are not racist don't make it up I have read your policy and you are racist.
So everybody who dosen't vote BNP is a coward Proud2british okay then two can play at that game:
Serviceman or women who are serving today do not vote for the BNP, are they cowards? NO
I don't vote BNP I am going to join the Armed Forces am I a coward? NO
Are our soldiers traitors? NO
Those who do not vote BNP I will need your support no doubt the BNP lot will come on here and start there brainwashing conforming games again.
Un PC, Rochford says...
12:17pm Sat 6 Jun 09
margrete, Rochford says...
12:33pm Sat 6 Jun 09
One of the most disgraceful incidents recently was the demonstration against the returning Royal Anglians on the streets of an English town - Luton - where they were called rapists and baby-killers. The police took no action presumably because it is within 'human rights' to shout such abuse unchallenged.
We English Democrats want a parliament for England to make decisions for England. We're also against the PC culture and against multi-culturalism. In a small country like England there should be ONE culture - the English culture. If you want a foreign culture, practise it within closed doors and don't impose it on the rest of us.
typhoon32, Southend says...
1:22pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Our parliament does make decisions the expenses scandel has really thrown us joe public's of our balance but we must still have faith in our MPs.
I know it is a strong demand but we must, it is the only way forward.
CMac, says...
1:33pm Sat 6 Jun 09
eastendboy, Rochford says...
4:52pm Sat 6 Jun 09
"Immigration is out of control. Britain's population is over 60 million and rising, solely due to immigration. Not only is Britain increasingly overcrowded, but the fact is that a country is the product of its people and if you change the people you inevitably change the nature of the country. We want Britain to remain - or return to - the way it has traditionally been. We accept that Britain always will have ethnic minorities and have no problem with this as long as they remain minorities and neither change nor seek to change the fundamental culture and identity of the indigineous peoples of the British Isles."
"The current open-door policy and unrestricted, uncontrolled immigration is leading to higher crime rates, demand for more housing (driving prices out of the reach of young people), severe extra strain on the environment, traffic congestion, longer hospital waiting lists, lower educational standards, higher income taxes, lower wages, higher unemployment, loss of British identity, a breakdown in community spirit, more restrictive policing, higher council taxes, a shortage of council homes, higher levels of stress and unhappiness and a more atomised society."
Maybe I am missing something but even in the loosest sense of the term, how can that be considered racist? Just common sense.
Our MP's cannot be trusted. What happened to the promised referendum on Europe? They have simply changed a few words in the Treaty and told us it is so longer the same document they promised we could vote on. And if you and I have fiddled our CGT to the extent certain MP's have then do you think we would get away with it?
typhoon32, Southend says...
5:33pm Sat 6 Jun 09
They want to tell us not to trust our MPs, what should we do then trust some racist right wing fascist group?
NO
We should trust our MPs, may I remind you eastendboy that only the minority of MPs have been on the fiddle, not all of them.
Honestly the media have blown it right out of proportion so much so, that everyone wants to kill all the MPs when only the small minority of MPs are responsible.
The PM and indeed the whole of parliament will deal with those in due time and it will be sooner rather than later.
May I point out some have already been dealt with.
eastendboy, Rochford says...
6:00pm Sat 6 Jun 09
typhoon32 wrote:Only a limited number of expenses have been published so far - there is a lot more to come! Just have a look at this Sky link:
This is the fear the British National Party want. They want to tell us not to trust our MPs, what should we do then trust some racist right wing fascist group? NO We should trust our MPs, may I remind you eastendboy that only the minority of MPs have been on the fiddle, not all of them. Honestly the media have blown it right out of proportion so much so, that everyone wants to kill all the MPs when only the small minority of MPs are responsible. The PM and indeed the whole of parliament will deal with those in due time and it will be sooner rather than later. May I point out some have already been dealt with.
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It is admirable your wanting to trust MP's even if it is somewhat misguided. The claims revealed so far are an utter and contemptible disgrace.
If you actually read the BNP's policies you may not still consider them 'Far Right'.
typhoon32, Southend says...
6:05pm Sat 6 Jun 09
What about donations from the KKK is that admirable???
I refuse to co-operate on the BNP topic or change my views that we must trust our MPs.
margrete, Rochford says...
7:14pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Un PC wrote:We English Democrats say 'Putting England First' and 'Not left, not right, just English'.
I am not ashamed to have voted BNP this election. I don't consider myself a racist but I do feel that this country has gone too far one way & we need someone like the BNP to just balance things a little. In these days when it is not considered politically correct to be proud to be British (probably because we don't have much left to be proud of anymore) it's about time someone stood up & said yes it is OK to put ourselves first for a change!
We also have a saying 'Keep England in your heart' (our annual conference a couple of years ago was titled 'England in my heart').
That saying means that if you have England in your heart, you are one of us. It doesn't matter where your grandparents came from, only that your love and loyalty is here in this beautiful little land.
I see the new Mayor of Doncaster has made a good start: http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/england/south
_yorkshire/8086919.s
tm
Southendman, Southend-on-Sea says...
7:25pm Sat 6 Jun 09
typhoon32, Southend says...
7:32pm Sat 6 Jun 09
You think Southendman that Alan Johnston should be PM?
Alan Johnston, will not go on the warpath with Mr Brown because He has shown his support for the PM.
andyh, Rayleigh says...
7:43pm Sat 6 Jun 09
15-20 years ago the Liberals were a serious force here and now they seem to have slipped into the "also-rans" - what happened?
andyh, Rayleigh says...
7:51pm Sat 6 Jun 09
So, noone who has any sense in the parliamentary party actually wants to replace him and have their ambitions squashed by losing an election (like happened for Hague and IDS in the tories - either of which would probably make a better PM than Cameron). So a real leadership challenge is unlikely.
Un PC, Rochford says...
9:55pm Sat 6 Jun 09
typhoon32 wrote:The PM is not unpopular... which planet exactly are you on????! Gordon Brown has got to be the most unpopular prime minister this country has never elected! And no not everyone dislikes the PM, I'm sure his Mother probably loved him.
The PM is not unpopular, the media may be putting that across but not everyone dislikes the PM. You think Southendman that Alan Johnston should be PM? Alan Johnston, will not go on the warpath with Mr Brown because He has shown his support for the PM.
Un PC, Rochford says...
10:02pm Sat 6 Jun 09
typhoon32 wrote:If you asked the general population if they trust our MP's I think you will find a resounding NO. Maybe you don't trust "some racist right wing fascist group" but hopefully the now real threat of the BNP's obvious public support will make these politicians realise that some of us have had enough of their c**p & they may finally start to get their house in order?
This is the fear the British National Party want. They want to tell us not to trust our MPs, what should we do then trust some racist right wing fascist group? NO We should trust our MPs, may I remind you eastendboy that only the minority of MPs have been on the fiddle, not all of them. Honestly the media have blown it right out of proportion so much so, that everyone wants to kill all the MPs when only the small minority of MPs are responsible. The PM and indeed the whole of parliament will deal with those in due time and it will be sooner rather than later. May I point out some have already been dealt with.
typhoon32, Southend says...
10:05pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Letting the government do their job without me complaining about what they are doing.
Un-pc you have to remember what the IMF only stated a few weeks ago that the UK government's aggressive action is leveling or stopping the recession from Deepening.
I am compelled to stand by my government.
typhoon32, Southend says...
10:08pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Un PC wrote:Look you obviously are really annoyed about the MPs scandal as are most people, I have written to the PM, David Cameron and nick Clegg and I hope to hear back soon, they are aware of the situation, things will be done about it, and they will have things in order shortly Un PC.
typhoon32 wrote:If you asked the general population if they trust our MP's I think you will find a resounding NO. Maybe you don't trust "some racist right wing fascist group" but hopefully the now real threat of the BNP's obvious public support will make these politicians realise that some of us have had enough of their c**p & they may finally start to get their house in order?
This is the fear the British National Party want. They want to tell us not to trust our MPs, what should we do then trust some racist right wing fascist group? NO We should trust our MPs, may I remind you eastendboy that only the minority of MPs have been on the fiddle, not all of them. Honestly the media have blown it right out of proportion so much so, that everyone wants to kill all the MPs when only the small minority of MPs are responsible. The PM and indeed the whole of parliament will deal with those in due time and it will be sooner rather than later. May I point out some have already been dealt with.
I know that the minority have spoiled it for the majority of MPs and am certain that they will be dealt with Un Pc, you must understand they cann't all be dealt with in a day.
Un PC, Rochford says...
10:22pm Sat 6 Jun 09
typhoon32 wrote:The government and in particular the "financial wizardry" of Gordon Brown is what got us in this recession in the first place. Sorry to hear you are compelled to stand by your government, I do hope you get well soon.
I also show my support for the PM, because I am content with waiting and being patient. Letting the government do their job without me complaining about what they are doing. Un-pc you have to remember what the IMF only stated a few weeks ago that the UK government's aggressive action is leveling or stopping the recession from Deepening. I am compelled to stand by my government.
typhoon32, Southend says...
10:24pm Sat 6 Jun 09
And will continue to support Gordon Brown and the government in its endeavors which you clearly don't want, you obviously want to stay in recession.
DO you vote?
Un PC, Rochford says...
10:28pm Sat 6 Jun 09
typhoon32, Southend says...
10:33pm Sat 6 Jun 09
have you considered writing to the PM?
Southendman, Southend-on-Sea says...
10:40pm Sat 6 Jun 09
typhoon32 wrote:I agree about his support of course if you have any ambition to replace a leader about to either lose an election or be booted out you keep you head down just like John Major he stayed at home pretending to be ill while the others booted Thatcher out. Hestletine put his head on the block was never to get the top job he wanted cause he was seen as a bully even though many were glad he started the ball rolling. Actually glad the likes of Parnell, Flint and Blears have left the cabinet all of them two-faced self serving slimeballs hope they never set foot in a cabinet room again.
The PM is not unpopular, the media may be putting that across but not everyone dislikes the PM. You think Southendman that Alan Johnston should be PM? Alan Johnston, will not go on the warpath with Mr Brown because He has shown his support for the PM.
Un PC, Rochford says...
10:46pm Sat 6 Jun 09
typhoon32 wrote:Why on earth would I consider writing to Gordon Brown? If he was listening he would hear the majority of the public screaming in agony but he doesn't want to know. The only way any of us can get through to him is by putting a X in any box that does not say Labour, that will give him the message clearer than any letter he won't bother reading.
Un PC the PM is listening, what are your concerns? have you considered writing to the PM?
Some of my concerns are that this country has become anti British, we are not allowed to be patriotic, we are not allowed to think for ourselves or use our own common sense, we have become a Nanny state. Businesses can no longer afford to employ people because of the costs of adhering to all the crazy government rules. Europe make all our rules, we stick to them & every other European country sensibly ignores them. We throw away public money on crazy causes like legal aid for terrorists, we cannot even enforce our own laws as Europe will override us. We agree to take 1000's of illegal immigrants in exchange for Sangatte being closed down. Weeks later a new Sangatte opens & we still have financial migrants flooding in.. why? because we are the softest touch in the world. The rest of the world openly laughs at us! I could go on and on...
woody88, Southend says...
10:51pm Sat 6 Jun 09
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=4nBiCymtc
hA
Un PC, Rochford says...
10:53pm Sat 6 Jun 09
woody88 wrote:For anyone trying to justify the Labour government, read your bank statements!
For anyone trying to justify the BNP: http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=4nBiCymtc hA
eastendboy, Rochford says...
7:38am Sun 7 Jun 09
Un PC wrote:WELL SAID!
typhoon32 wrote: Un PC the PM is listening, what are your concerns? have you considered writing to the PM?Why on earth would I consider writing to Gordon Brown? If he was listening he would hear the majority of the public screaming in agony but he doesn't want to know. The only way any of us can get through to him is by putting a X in any box that does not say Labour, that will give him the message clearer than any letter he won't bother reading. Some of my concerns are that this country has become anti British, we are not allowed to be patriotic, we are not allowed to think for ourselves or use our own common sense, we have become a Nanny state. Businesses can no longer afford to employ people because of the costs of adhering to all the crazy government rules. Europe make all our rules, we stick to them & every other European country sensibly ignores them. We throw away public money on crazy causes like legal aid for terrorists, we cannot even enforce our own laws as Europe will override us. We agree to take 1000's of illegal immigrants in exchange for Sangatte being closed down. Weeks later a new Sangatte opens & we still have financial migrants flooding in.. why? because we are the softest touch in the world. The rest of the world openly laughs at us! I could go on and on...
margrete, Rochford says...
9:55am Sun 7 Jun 09
typhoon32 wrote:Good heavens. I have 'waited and been patient' over many decades. Since leaving school in 1951 I have seen my country go down the pan.
I also show my support for the PM, because I am content with waiting and being patient.
Letting the government do their job without me complaining about what they are doing.
Un-pc you have to remember what the IMF only stated a few weeks ago that the UK government's aggressive action is leveling or stopping the recession from Deepening.
I am compelled to stand by my government.
I'm not a habitual 'Daily Mail' reader, but here's a man who says exactly what I'd like to say if I had a platform and if I had his way with words. http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/debate/column
ists/article-1191258
/The-week-lost-chanc
e-fear-God-monsters-
like-this.html
I am glad that, unlike typhoon32, I am not 'compelled' to stand by and say nothing. Even if I get arrested for 'racism' (whatever that is) it will be worth it.
typhoon32, Southend says...
11:42am Sun 7 Jun 09
If you kids or your partner, wife/husband or family asked for 1 million pounds tomorrow you couldn't do it if you tried, come on.
Margrete if you vote BNP that is your choice not mine, my intention is to tell you all the PM is trying that is all.
There are various definitions of Racism here are two:
1. the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races
2. discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race
margrete, Rochford says...
1:38pm Sun 7 Jun 09
Regarding the Prime Minister, I have 2 objections to him. One is that he refused to allow a referendum on the LIsbon treaty, the one that Ireland said 'no' to, when we were promised one. The other is that he has signed the Scottish Claim of Right which commits him, and other ministers, to 'putting the interests of Scotland before everything else'. And yet he can make announcements and decisions about England which he cannot make in respect of his own constituency, Kirkcaldy - this is because of Scottish devolution. Accordingly, there are many of us now who want a Parliament for England.
Karin Smith, says...
1:35am Tue 9 Jun 09
Fact, Gordon Brown has been Chancellor for 10 of the 12 years Labour has been in power. Therefore, he was accountable for the legislative provisions which empowered the FSA to control the UK's financial services. He didn't act to strengthen their control, in the false hope that markets would continue to grow unabated. The uncontrolled credit bubble burst!
As Chancellor, Gordon Brown's lack of control, at its most serious, was for Labour's political gain and not in the interest of the economy. At the very least, his failure to act was sheer incompetence.
Whichever it is, it happened on Labour's watch and had nothing to do with the Conservatives. Historically or otherwise. We had to clean up Labour's mess in 1979. Now we have to do it again. The golden legacy we left in Labour's care, was wasted away. From 2003, National Debt started rising again. It continues to rise as I speak.
Karin Smith, says...
1:36am Tue 9 Jun 09
Fact, Gordon Brown has been Chancellor for 10 of the 12 years Labour has been in power. Therefore, he was accountable for the legislative provisions which empowered the FSA to control the UK's financial services. He didn't act to strengthen their control, in the false hope that markets would continue to grow unabated. The uncontrolled credit bubble burst!
As Chancellor, Gordon Brown's lack of control, at its most serious, was for Labour's political gain and not in the interest of the economy. At the very least, his failure to act was sheer incompetence.
Whichever it is, it happened on Labour's watch and had nothing to do with the Conservatives. Historically or otherwise. We had to clean up Labour's mess in 1979. Now we have to do it again. The golden legacy we left in Labour's care, was wasted away. From 2003, National Debt started rising again. It continues to rise as I speak.
Karin Smith, says...
1:39am Tue 9 Jun 09
http://www.timesonli
ne.co.uk/tol/news/po
litics/article645775
2.ece
Karin Smith, says...
1:54am Tue 9 Jun 09
Who are these "many" exactly? The only thing you are supporting, is the breaking up of mainland United Kingdom. Millions are very proud of the United Kingdom and HRH Queen Elizabeth II. It's who and what our brave soldiers fight for overseas. Including my Son, a 14 year serving soldier.
It's about time this 'English' rubbish is kicked into the ditch, where it belongs. I'm British and a citizen of the United Kingdom. And I'm very proud to say it.
Karin Smith, says...
2:16am Tue 9 Jun 09
Karin Smith, says...
2:22am Tue 9 Jun 09
eastendboy, Rochford says...
7:32am Tue 9 Jun 09
typhoon32 wrote:Legislation allows you to advertise jobs for ethnic minorities only but not 'whites' only.
Gordon Brown is listening to the public, He is trying, He cann't do everything we all have our limits you all now that. If you kids or your partner, wife/husband or family asked for 1 million pounds tomorrow you couldn't do it if you tried, come on. Margrete if you vote BNP that is your choice not mine, my intention is to tell you all the PM is trying that is all. There are various definitions of Racism here are two: 1. the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races 2. discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race
Therefore it could be argued that if discrimination is racism then successive governments have been 'racist'.
Tax Credits can be backdated 3 months from time of application. Unless you are an Asylum Seeker whereby they can be backdated to the date asylum was first applied for with the potential of a windfall of many thousands of pounds.
No wonder we are flooded with bogus asylum seekers. The Tories and Labour are both as bad as each other. It is OK to discriminate against the British people of whatever background but if you question unfair policies you are labelled a racist! This is just another way to keep us all quiet and let them continue destroying our country!
Stephen Castle with campaigner Cheryl Roe
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anon anon, southend on sea says...
7:32am Fri 5 Jun 09