Petition to be discussed in Parliament

Southend Standard: Jack Monroe picking up an award for courage and inspiration at the Southend Youth Awards last month, presented by Jo Ronan Jack Monroe picking up an award for courage and inspiration at the Southend Youth Awards last month, presented by Jo Ronan

A PETITION launched by former Echo reporter to investigate the causes of food bank use and hunger in the UK has received nearly 100,000 signatures in four days.

The volume of support for the petition set up by Jack Monroe, also a campaigner for Oxfam and Child Poverty Action Group, means it will now be debated in the Commons on December 18.

The petition has been signed by some notable individuals, including the leader of the Green Party Natalie Bennett and former Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott.

When launching the petition on Monday, Miss Monroe said on her blog, A Girl Called Jack: “After speaking at both major party conferences this summer about the realities of food banks and poverty in the UK, after sharing my experiences again and again, after countless reports from Oxfam and the Trussell Trust that show food bank use is on the rise in Britain today – the time has come to do something about it.”

Miss Monroe has also been nominated for the Guardian’s Person of Year award.

She was nominated by writer Patrick Butler for her blog of austerity meals and her campaign work throughout the year.

Other nominees include Andy Murray and Pope Francis.

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2:20pm Sat 7 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

Nice one Jack, I just don't have my hopes up for any kind of comment other than "our vicious cuts didn't cause these, despite all the evidence to the contrary, honest!".

Thanks for the constant flow of good recipes too!
Nice one Jack, I just don't have my hopes up for any kind of comment other than "our vicious cuts didn't cause these, despite all the evidence to the contrary, honest!". Thanks for the constant flow of good recipes too! returnoftheleftie

2:43pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Lastlaugh,,. says...

Politicians signing this?

Is that a bit like Blair now signing a petition against the war in Afghanistan?
Politicians signing this? Is that a bit like Blair now signing a petition against the war in Afghanistan? Lastlaugh,,.

3:46pm Sat 7 Dec 13

runwellian says...

Not everyone using food banks is poor. Check on What type of christmas they have?

I have just watched one lady well cared for by food banks buying her christmas shopping, items that I certainly couldn't afford!

It is a shame folk have to abuse the generosity of others!
Not everyone using food banks is poor. Check on What type of christmas they have? I have just watched one lady well cared for by food banks buying her christmas shopping, items that I certainly couldn't afford! It is a shame folk have to abuse the generosity of others! runwellian

6:20pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Joe Clark says...

No need for food banks go to Farmfoods or Iceland and you CAN get dinner for a week for no more than £10 it's all a set up by those in power to make things look worse than they are.
No need for food banks go to Farmfoods or Iceland and you CAN get dinner for a week for no more than £10 it's all a set up by those in power to make things look worse than they are. Joe Clark

8:48pm Sat 7 Dec 13

southchurch bob says...

Joe Clark wrote:
No need for food banks go to Farmfoods or Iceland and you CAN get dinner for a week for no more than £10 it's all a set up by those in power to make things look worse than they are.
I agree with you Joe also in her Echo blog it's as if she discovered poverty and make a meal out of nothing and getting awards for it.
[quote][p][bold]Joe Clark[/bold] wrote: No need for food banks go to Farmfoods or Iceland and you CAN get dinner for a week for no more than £10 it's all a set up by those in power to make things look worse than they are.[/p][/quote]I agree with you Joe also in her Echo blog it's as if she discovered poverty and make a meal out of nothing and getting awards for it. southchurch bob

9:20pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Joe Clark says...

I have seen people come out of food banks, light up a fag and drive off in their car!

Surely if you are that skint you would ditch the fags and car and walk. I bet the very same people have big TV's the latest playstations and have a holiday in the sun every year.

Close them down and instead issue benefits on a credit card style system that can be used exactly the same way as a debit card but they are programmed to block the purchase of booze, fags and specific electronics such as TV's Computers etc.

I know people will probably be against it but at least my taxes will not be smoked or urinated up a wall.
I have seen people come out of food banks, light up a fag and drive off in their car! Surely if you are that skint you would ditch the fags and car and walk. I bet the very same people have big TV's the latest playstations and have a holiday in the sun every year. Close them down and instead issue benefits on a credit card style system that can be used exactly the same way as a debit card but they are programmed to block the purchase of booze, fags and specific electronics such as TV's Computers etc. I know people will probably be against it but at least my taxes will not be smoked or urinated up a wall. Joe Clark

9:59pm Sat 7 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

I once saw one of these dole scum walk out of a food bank, swigging from a champagne bottle, wiped their nose with a £50 note and then get into their chauffeur driven bentley, while singing the praises of karl marx!

Okay, so it's not the normal bullpoop daily mail nonsense, but it's a far better fictional tale (and possibly more plausible) than the commenters apparently stalking the lines outside food banks can give us.

Places like the trussel trust only give out a max of 3 packages a year, which is only available if you are referred to them by a doctor/police/job centre e.t.c. As normal, rather than deal with the fact that hundreds of thousands are in food poverty to the point that for the first time since WWII the red cross are giving out food parcels, they moan about fictional people getting a bag of value range tinned veg for free when they possibly shouldn't have.

A few thousand OAP's will freeze to death this year, can we have some fictional tales about how you saw an old geezer light up a gas fire using the emergency heating allowance before settling down to a fancy bottle of port and a steak?
I once saw one of these dole scum walk out of a food bank, swigging from a champagne bottle, wiped their nose with a £50 note and then get into their chauffeur driven bentley, while singing the praises of karl marx! Okay, so it's not the normal bullpoop daily mail nonsense, but it's a far better fictional tale (and possibly more plausible) than the commenters apparently stalking the lines outside food banks can give us. Places like the trussel trust only give out a max of 3 packages a year, which is only available if you are referred to them by a doctor/police/job centre e.t.c. As normal, rather than deal with the fact that hundreds of thousands are in food poverty to the point that for the first time since WWII the red cross are giving out food parcels, they moan about fictional people getting a bag of value range tinned veg for free when they possibly shouldn't have. A few thousand OAP's will freeze to death this year, can we have some fictional tales about how you saw an old geezer light up a gas fire using the emergency heating allowance before settling down to a fancy bottle of port and a steak? returnoftheleftie

2:15am Sun 8 Dec 13

jayman says...

Joe Clark wrote:
I have seen people come out of food banks, light up a fag and drive off in their car!

Surely if you are that skint you would ditch the fags and car and walk. I bet the very same people have big TV's the latest playstations and have a holiday in the sun every year.

Close them down and instead issue benefits on a credit card style system that can be used exactly the same way as a debit card but they are programmed to block the purchase of booze, fags and specific electronics such as TV's Computers etc.

I know people will probably be against it but at least my taxes will not be smoked or urinated up a wall.
Next time

Take a photograph of the cigarette smoking, food bank user. Go to there house and take photos of the flat screen tv, PlayStation, computer. Get receipts for the said goods. Interview the family or individual. Look through the financial records of the individual or family. Consider the principles of short and long term hardship. Publish your findings in a social science journal.

Do not.

Produce unverified eye witness accounts of supposed food bank users as fact. Your account of what you claim to have seen seem more like a daily mail, Tory policy apologist, botch job of an attempt to pass of something you 'think' for something that you have been encoded to 'belive' and you have reported it as something you 'saw'.

Jacks petition prompts our parliament to 'debate' with 'evidence' this is something that the Tories hate the most.
[quote][p][bold]Joe Clark[/bold] wrote: I have seen people come out of food banks, light up a fag and drive off in their car! Surely if you are that skint you would ditch the fags and car and walk. I bet the very same people have big TV's the latest playstations and have a holiday in the sun every year. Close them down and instead issue benefits on a credit card style system that can be used exactly the same way as a debit card but they are programmed to block the purchase of booze, fags and specific electronics such as TV's Computers etc. I know people will probably be against it but at least my taxes will not be smoked or urinated up a wall.[/p][/quote]Next time Take a photograph of the cigarette smoking, food bank user. Go to there house and take photos of the flat screen tv, PlayStation, computer. Get receipts for the said goods. Interview the family or individual. Look through the financial records of the individual or family. Consider the principles of short and long term hardship. Publish your findings in a social science journal. Do not. Produce unverified eye witness accounts of supposed food bank users as fact. Your account of what you claim to have seen seem more like a daily mail, Tory policy apologist, botch job of an attempt to pass of something you 'think' for something that you have been encoded to 'belive' and you have reported it as something you 'saw'. Jacks petition prompts our parliament to 'debate' with 'evidence' this is something that the Tories hate the most. jayman

4:58pm Sun 8 Dec 13

hornsxandxhalos says...

If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.
If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks. hornsxandxhalos

5:58pm Sun 8 Dec 13

John Bull 40 says...

returnoftheleftie wrote:
Nice one Jack, I just don't have my hopes up for any kind of comment other than "our vicious cuts didn't cause these, despite all the evidence to the contrary, honest!".

Thanks for the constant flow of good recipes too!
have you ever seen anyone
at a food bank without a mobile phone.
[quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: Nice one Jack, I just don't have my hopes up for any kind of comment other than "our vicious cuts didn't cause these, despite all the evidence to the contrary, honest!". Thanks for the constant flow of good recipes too![/p][/quote]have you ever seen anyone at a food bank without a mobile phone. John Bull 40

6:37pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Joe Clark says...

jayman wrote:
Joe Clark wrote:
I have seen people come out of food banks, light up a fag and drive off in their car!

Surely if you are that skint you would ditch the fags and car and walk. I bet the very same people have big TV's the latest playstations and have a holiday in the sun every year.

Close them down and instead issue benefits on a credit card style system that can be used exactly the same way as a debit card but they are programmed to block the purchase of booze, fags and specific electronics such as TV's Computers etc.

I know people will probably be against it but at least my taxes will not be smoked or urinated up a wall.
Next time

Take a photograph of the cigarette smoking, food bank user. Go to there house and take photos of the flat screen tv, PlayStation, computer. Get receipts for the said goods. Interview the family or individual. Look through the financial records of the individual or family. Consider the principles of short and long term hardship. Publish your findings in a social science journal.

Do not.

Produce unverified eye witness accounts of supposed food bank users as fact. Your account of what you claim to have seen seem more like a daily mail, Tory policy apologist, botch job of an attempt to pass of something you 'think' for something that you have been encoded to 'belive' and you have reported it as something you 'saw'.

Jacks petition prompts our parliament to 'debate' with 'evidence' this is something that the Tories hate the most.
and get my nose broken as I do...

I did not vote Tory never have done hate them just as much as the labour party! each is as bad as the other, did not vote Lib Dem either.

The three main parties are all a joke you have the Posh Boys, The Sell Outs or the Spend It's take your pick!

I don't agree with the tax low spend high policy the Labour party had, as when the brown smelly stuff hit the fan it crippled the Country, the Lib Dems are too weak on criminals and would whor e us to Europe and pay them for it, the Tory's are just too posh.

So before you start accusing me of stuff why not ask first.

JC
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joe Clark[/bold] wrote: I have seen people come out of food banks, light up a fag and drive off in their car! Surely if you are that skint you would ditch the fags and car and walk. I bet the very same people have big TV's the latest playstations and have a holiday in the sun every year. Close them down and instead issue benefits on a credit card style system that can be used exactly the same way as a debit card but they are programmed to block the purchase of booze, fags and specific electronics such as TV's Computers etc. I know people will probably be against it but at least my taxes will not be smoked or urinated up a wall.[/p][/quote]Next time Take a photograph of the cigarette smoking, food bank user. Go to there house and take photos of the flat screen tv, PlayStation, computer. Get receipts for the said goods. Interview the family or individual. Look through the financial records of the individual or family. Consider the principles of short and long term hardship. Publish your findings in a social science journal. Do not. Produce unverified eye witness accounts of supposed food bank users as fact. Your account of what you claim to have seen seem more like a daily mail, Tory policy apologist, botch job of an attempt to pass of something you 'think' for something that you have been encoded to 'belive' and you have reported it as something you 'saw'. Jacks petition prompts our parliament to 'debate' with 'evidence' this is something that the Tories hate the most.[/p][/quote]and get my nose broken as I do... I did not vote Tory never have done hate them just as much as the labour party! each is as bad as the other, did not vote Lib Dem either. The three main parties are all a joke you have the Posh Boys, The Sell Outs or the Spend It's take your pick! I don't agree with the tax low spend high policy the Labour party had, as when the brown smelly stuff hit the fan it crippled the Country, the Lib Dems are too weak on criminals and would whor e us to Europe and pay them for it, the Tory's are just too posh. So before you start accusing me of stuff why not ask first. JC Joe Clark

7:13pm Sun 8 Dec 13

jayman says...

http://www.jrf.org.u
k/publications/monit
oring-poverty-and-so
cial-exclusion-2013

here you go...

the Joseph rowntree foundation say that 13 million **WORKING** people are living in poverty in the UK.

read the summery.
http://www.jrf.org.u k/publications/monit oring-poverty-and-so cial-exclusion-2013 here you go... the Joseph rowntree foundation say that 13 million **WORKING** people are living in poverty in the UK. read the summery. jayman

7:20pm Sun 8 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

hornsxandxhalos wrote:
If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.
What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone
[quote][p][bold]hornsxandxhalos[/bold] wrote: If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.[/p][/quote]What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone returnoftheleftie

7:29pm Sun 8 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

John Bull 40 wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
Nice one Jack, I just don't have my hopes up for any kind of comment other than "our vicious cuts didn't cause these, despite all the evidence to the contrary, honest!".

Thanks for the constant flow of good recipes too!
have you ever seen anyone
at a food bank without a mobile phone.
What's the relevancy of this? most people using the food banks are in work, hence they might need to be in contact with their workplace (it might even be issued by them), the others might need them to find jobs, deal with medical appointments or relatives- it's cheaper than a landline, and having a phone is a necessity of modern life.

I can only assume you think they should sell them for a pittance, and keep themselves fed for a few days at most, at the expense of lacking the ability to do the above?

Perhaps they also have a refrigerator at home, they could sell that on perhaps, another needless luxury for the proles?
[quote][p][bold]John Bull 40[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: Nice one Jack, I just don't have my hopes up for any kind of comment other than "our vicious cuts didn't cause these, despite all the evidence to the contrary, honest!". Thanks for the constant flow of good recipes too![/p][/quote]have you ever seen anyone at a food bank without a mobile phone.[/p][/quote]What's the relevancy of this? most people using the food banks are in work, hence they might need to be in contact with their workplace (it might even be issued by them), the others might need them to find jobs, deal with medical appointments or relatives- it's cheaper than a landline, and having a phone is a necessity of modern life. I can only assume you think they should sell them for a pittance, and keep themselves fed for a few days at most, at the expense of lacking the ability to do the above? Perhaps they also have a refrigerator at home, they could sell that on perhaps, another needless luxury for the proles? returnoftheleftie

7:29pm Sun 8 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

returnoftheleftie wrote:
hornsxandxhalos wrote:
If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.
What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone
and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.
[quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hornsxandxhalos[/bold] wrote: If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.[/p][/quote]What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone[/p][/quote]and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits. profondo asbo

7:48pm Sun 8 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
hornsxandxhalos wrote:
If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.
What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone
and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.
21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself?

And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out.

Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best?
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hornsxandxhalos[/bold] wrote: If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.[/p][/quote]What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone[/p][/quote]and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.[/p][/quote]21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself? And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out. Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best? returnoftheleftie

8:07pm Sun 8 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
hornsxandxhalos wrote:
If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.
What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone
and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.
21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself?

And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out.

Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best?
and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers.

pension benefits are sunk costs and paid regardless of location of the oap.

clown.
[quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hornsxandxhalos[/bold] wrote: If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.[/p][/quote]What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone[/p][/quote]and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.[/p][/quote]21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself? And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out. Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best?[/p][/quote]and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers. pension benefits are sunk costs and paid regardless of location of the oap. clown. profondo asbo

8:18pm Sun 8 Dec 13

jayman says...

profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
hornsxandxhalos wrote:
If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.
What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone
and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.
21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself?

And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out.

Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best?
and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers.

pension benefits are sunk costs and paid regardless of location of the oap.

clown.
"and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers."

did you research this.. LoL.
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hornsxandxhalos[/bold] wrote: If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.[/p][/quote]What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone[/p][/quote]and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.[/p][/quote]21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself? And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out. Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best?[/p][/quote]and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers. pension benefits are sunk costs and paid regardless of location of the oap. clown.[/p][/quote]"and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers." did you research this.. LoL. jayman

8:21pm Sun 8 Dec 13

jayman says...

profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
hornsxandxhalos wrote:
If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.
What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone
and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.
21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself?

And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out.

Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best?
and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers.

pension benefits are sunk costs and paid regardless of location of the oap.

clown.
and stop putting your signature at the end of your posts.. Its too formal.
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hornsxandxhalos[/bold] wrote: If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.[/p][/quote]What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone[/p][/quote]and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.[/p][/quote]21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself? And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out. Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best?[/p][/quote]and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers. pension benefits are sunk costs and paid regardless of location of the oap. clown.[/p][/quote]and stop putting your signature at the end of your posts.. Its too formal. jayman

8:22pm Sun 8 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

jayman wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
hornsxandxhalos wrote:
If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.
What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone
and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.
21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself?

And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out.

Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best?
and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers.

pension benefits are sunk costs and paid regardless of location of the oap.

clown.
"and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers."

did you research this.. LoL.
no. i have knowledge you should try it sometime.

so are the expats claiming job seekers?
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hornsxandxhalos[/bold] wrote: If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.[/p][/quote]What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone[/p][/quote]and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.[/p][/quote]21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself? And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out. Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best?[/p][/quote]and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers. pension benefits are sunk costs and paid regardless of location of the oap. clown.[/p][/quote]"and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers." did you research this.. LoL.[/p][/quote]no. i have knowledge you should try it sometime. so are the expats claiming job seekers? profondo asbo

8:29pm Sun 8 Dec 13

jayman says...

profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
hornsxandxhalos wrote:
If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.
What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone
and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.
21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself?

And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out.

Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best?
and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers.

pension benefits are sunk costs and paid regardless of location of the oap.

clown.
"and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers."

did you research this.. LoL.
no. i have knowledge you should try it sometime.

so are the expats claiming job seekers?
http://www.expatforu
m.com/expats/spain-e
xpat-forum-expats-li
ving-spain/51774-une
mployment-benefit-sp
ain.html

here is a forum that discusses the topic.

British expats would be entitled to 'Spanish' out of work benefits. its how the system works.. if you did your research instead of reading the daily mail. you may discover the truth yourself..
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hornsxandxhalos[/bold] wrote: If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.[/p][/quote]What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone[/p][/quote]and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.[/p][/quote]21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself? And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out. Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best?[/p][/quote]and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers. pension benefits are sunk costs and paid regardless of location of the oap. clown.[/p][/quote]"and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers." did you research this.. LoL.[/p][/quote]no. i have knowledge you should try it sometime. so are the expats claiming job seekers?[/p][/quote]http://www.expatforu m.com/expats/spain-e xpat-forum-expats-li ving-spain/51774-une mployment-benefit-sp ain.html here is a forum that discusses the topic. British expats would be entitled to 'Spanish' out of work benefits. its how the system works.. if you did your research instead of reading the daily mail. you may discover the truth yourself.. jayman

8:29pm Sun 8 Dec 13

hornsxandxhalos says...

OAP's living in Spain after retiring, using money from pensions and or savings that they've spent their life earning, is a lot different than foreigners that come over here for benefits or work because they can't get what they can easily here as in their own country. And yes they do come over for those reasons as I work with some and have asked, as well as asking a few others and they all say they moved here because it's easier for them to find a job and claim benefits.
OAP's living in Spain after retiring, using money from pensions and or savings that they've spent their life earning, is a lot different than foreigners that come over here for benefits or work because they can't get what they can easily here as in their own country. And yes they do come over for those reasons as I work with some and have asked, as well as asking a few others and they all say they moved here because it's easier for them to find a job and claim benefits. hornsxandxhalos

8:30pm Sun 8 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

jayman wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
hornsxandxhalos wrote:
If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.
What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone
and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.
21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself?

And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out.

Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best?
and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers.

pension benefits are sunk costs and paid regardless of location of the oap.

clown.
"and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers."

did you research this.. LoL.
no. i have knowledge you should try it sometime.

so are the expats claiming job seekers?
http://www.expatforu

m.com/expats/spain-e

xpat-forum-expats-li

ving-spain/51774-une

mployment-benefit-sp

ain.html

here is a forum that discusses the topic.

British expats would be entitled to 'Spanish' out of work benefits. its how the system works.. if you did your research instead of reading the daily mail. you may discover the truth yourself..
so british expats are going to spain to claim benefits. what planet are you living on?
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hornsxandxhalos[/bold] wrote: If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.[/p][/quote]What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone[/p][/quote]and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.[/p][/quote]21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself? And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out. Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best?[/p][/quote]and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers. pension benefits are sunk costs and paid regardless of location of the oap. clown.[/p][/quote]"and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers." did you research this.. LoL.[/p][/quote]no. i have knowledge you should try it sometime. so are the expats claiming job seekers?[/p][/quote]http://www.expatforu m.com/expats/spain-e xpat-forum-expats-li ving-spain/51774-une mployment-benefit-sp ain.html here is a forum that discusses the topic. British expats would be entitled to 'Spanish' out of work benefits. its how the system works.. if you did your research instead of reading the daily mail. you may discover the truth yourself..[/p][/quote]so british expats are going to spain to claim benefits. what planet are you living on? profondo asbo

8:35pm Sun 8 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

http://www.prospects
.ac.uk/work_in_spain
.htm

for the google addicts your numbers are sadly wrong. and you researched your stats. clueless muppet.
http://www.prospects .ac.uk/work_in_spain .htm for the google addicts your numbers are sadly wrong. and you researched your stats. clueless muppet. profondo asbo

8:36pm Sun 8 Dec 13

jayman says...

profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
hornsxandxhalos wrote:
If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.
What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone
and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.
21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself?

And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out.

Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best?
and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers.

pension benefits are sunk costs and paid regardless of location of the oap.

clown.
"and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers."

did you research this.. LoL.
no. i have knowledge you should try it sometime.

so are the expats claiming job seekers?
http://www.expatforu


m.com/expats/spain-e


xpat-forum-expats-li


ving-spain/51774-une


mployment-benefit-sp


ain.html

here is a forum that discusses the topic.

British expats would be entitled to 'Spanish' out of work benefits. its how the system works.. if you did your research instead of reading the daily mail. you may discover the truth yourself..
so british expats are going to spain to claim benefits. what planet are you living on?
i doubt that British people are travelling to Spain to claim benefits and i made no claim to that effect.

British people are however 'entitled' to European benefits should they find themselves out of work...

i believe you have lost this argument. Do stop trying to misrepresent what I have written. its so tiresome.
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hornsxandxhalos[/bold] wrote: If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.[/p][/quote]What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone[/p][/quote]and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.[/p][/quote]21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself? And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out. Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best?[/p][/quote]and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers. pension benefits are sunk costs and paid regardless of location of the oap. clown.[/p][/quote]"and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers." did you research this.. LoL.[/p][/quote]no. i have knowledge you should try it sometime. so are the expats claiming job seekers?[/p][/quote]http://www.expatforu m.com/expats/spain-e xpat-forum-expats-li ving-spain/51774-une mployment-benefit-sp ain.html here is a forum that discusses the topic. British expats would be entitled to 'Spanish' out of work benefits. its how the system works.. if you did your research instead of reading the daily mail. you may discover the truth yourself..[/p][/quote]so british expats are going to spain to claim benefits. what planet are you living on?[/p][/quote]i doubt that British people are travelling to Spain to claim benefits and i made no claim to that effect. British people are however 'entitled' to European benefits should they find themselves out of work... i believe you have lost this argument. Do stop trying to misrepresent what I have written. its so tiresome. jayman

8:43pm Sun 8 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

jayman wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
jayman wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
hornsxandxhalos wrote:
If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.
What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone
and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.
21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself?

And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out.

Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best?
and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers.

pension benefits are sunk costs and paid regardless of location of the oap.

clown.
"and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers."

did you research this.. LoL.
no. i have knowledge you should try it sometime.

so are the expats claiming job seekers?
http://www.expatforu



m.com/expats/spain-e



xpat-forum-expats-li



ving-spain/51774-une



mployment-benefit-sp



ain.html

here is a forum that discusses the topic.

British expats would be entitled to 'Spanish' out of work benefits. its how the system works.. if you did your research instead of reading the daily mail. you may discover the truth yourself..
so british expats are going to spain to claim benefits. what planet are you living on?
i doubt that British people are travelling to Spain to claim benefits and i made no claim to that effect.

British people are however 'entitled' to European benefits should they find themselves out of work...

i believe you have lost this argument. Do stop trying to misrepresent what I have written. its so tiresome.
so tell me how many uk expats are claiming benefits in spain...?
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hornsxandxhalos[/bold] wrote: If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.[/p][/quote]What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone[/p][/quote]and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.[/p][/quote]21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself? And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out. Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best?[/p][/quote]and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers. pension benefits are sunk costs and paid regardless of location of the oap. clown.[/p][/quote]"and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers." did you research this.. LoL.[/p][/quote]no. i have knowledge you should try it sometime. so are the expats claiming job seekers?[/p][/quote]http://www.expatforu m.com/expats/spain-e xpat-forum-expats-li ving-spain/51774-une mployment-benefit-sp ain.html here is a forum that discusses the topic. British expats would be entitled to 'Spanish' out of work benefits. its how the system works.. if you did your research instead of reading the daily mail. you may discover the truth yourself..[/p][/quote]so british expats are going to spain to claim benefits. what planet are you living on?[/p][/quote]i doubt that British people are travelling to Spain to claim benefits and i made no claim to that effect. British people are however 'entitled' to European benefits should they find themselves out of work... i believe you have lost this argument. Do stop trying to misrepresent what I have written. its so tiresome.[/p][/quote]so tell me how many uk expats are claiming benefits in spain...? profondo asbo

11:51pm Sun 8 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
hornsxandxhalos wrote:
If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.
What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone
and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.
21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself?

And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out.

Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best?
and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers.

pension benefits are sunk costs and paid regardless of location of the oap.

clown.
Over 72% of british expats in spain are employed.

You claimed the OAP's weren't sucking up benefits, you were wrong, I corrected.


There's this thing called google, where you can use it to find out information, maybe try it sometime?
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hornsxandxhalos[/bold] wrote: If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.[/p][/quote]What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone[/p][/quote]and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.[/p][/quote]21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself? And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out. Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best?[/p][/quote]and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers. pension benefits are sunk costs and paid regardless of location of the oap. clown.[/p][/quote]Over 72% of british expats in spain are employed. You claimed the OAP's weren't sucking up benefits, you were wrong, I corrected. There's this thing called google, where you can use it to find out information, maybe try it sometime? returnoftheleftie

12:22am Mon 9 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

profondo asbo wrote:
http://www.prospects

.ac.uk/work_in_spain

.htm

for the google addicts your numbers are sadly wrong. and you researched your stats. clueless muppet.
I can find estimates over 1.2 million, I picked a number roughly in the middle. For countries like australia, the number goes even higher- just under 1 in 10 british born people live abroad.

And as the other poster said, signing your posts isn't required!
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: http://www.prospects .ac.uk/work_in_spain .htm for the google addicts your numbers are sadly wrong. and you researched your stats. clueless muppet.[/p][/quote]I can find estimates over 1.2 million, I picked a number roughly in the middle. For countries like australia, the number goes even higher- just under 1 in 10 british born people live abroad. And as the other poster said, signing your posts isn't required! returnoftheleftie

7:58am Mon 9 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
hornsxandxhalos wrote:
If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.
What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone
and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.
21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself?

And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out.

Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best?
and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers.

pension benefits are sunk costs and paid regardless of location of the oap.

clown.
Over 72% of british expats in spain are employed.

You claimed the OAP's weren't sucking up benefits, you were wrong, I corrected.


There's this thing called google, where you can use it to find out information, maybe try it sometime?
so where are the benefit claimants? state pension is not a "benefit" it is fundamentally a sunk cost. presumably communists are unable to differentiate.
[quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hornsxandxhalos[/bold] wrote: If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.[/p][/quote]What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone[/p][/quote]and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.[/p][/quote]21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself? And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out. Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best?[/p][/quote]and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers. pension benefits are sunk costs and paid regardless of location of the oap. clown.[/p][/quote]Over 72% of british expats in spain are employed. You claimed the OAP's weren't sucking up benefits, you were wrong, I corrected. There's this thing called google, where you can use it to find out information, maybe try it sometime?[/p][/quote]so where are the benefit claimants? state pension is not a "benefit" it is fundamentally a sunk cost. presumably communists are unable to differentiate. profondo asbo

8:01am Mon 9 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
http://www.prospects


.ac.uk/work_in_spain


.htm

for the google addicts your numbers are sadly wrong. and you researched your stats. clueless muppet.
I can find estimates over 1.2 million, I picked a number roughly in the middle. For countries like australia, the number goes even higher- just under 1 in 10 british born people live abroad.

And as the other poster said, signing your posts isn't required!
last i checked oz was not in the eu. ok so you admit your numbers are wrong. distortion is a desperate tactic.
[quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: http://www.prospects .ac.uk/work_in_spain .htm for the google addicts your numbers are sadly wrong. and you researched your stats. clueless muppet.[/p][/quote]I can find estimates over 1.2 million, I picked a number roughly in the middle. For countries like australia, the number goes even higher- just under 1 in 10 british born people live abroad. And as the other poster said, signing your posts isn't required![/p][/quote]last i checked oz was not in the eu. ok so you admit your numbers are wrong. distortion is a desperate tactic. profondo asbo

8:16am Mon 9 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
hornsxandxhalos wrote:
If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.
What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone
and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.
21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself?

And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out.

Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best?
and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers.

pension benefits are sunk costs and paid regardless of location of the oap.

clown.
Over 72% of british expats in spain are employed.

You claimed the OAP's weren't sucking up benefits, you were wrong, I corrected.


There's this thing called google, where you can use it to find out information, maybe try it sometime?
so where are the benefit claimants? state pension is not a "benefit" it is fundamentally a sunk cost. presumably communists are unable to differentiate.
Paid from the DWP's budget every year, it's a benefit. You keep repeating "sunk cost" like a mantra, yet every year it comes out of the DWP's budget.

No answer on the fact that the vast majority of brits in spain are employed? not surprised.
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hornsxandxhalos[/bold] wrote: If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.[/p][/quote]What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone[/p][/quote]and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.[/p][/quote]21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself? And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out. Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best?[/p][/quote]and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers. pension benefits are sunk costs and paid regardless of location of the oap. clown.[/p][/quote]Over 72% of british expats in spain are employed. You claimed the OAP's weren't sucking up benefits, you were wrong, I corrected. There's this thing called google, where you can use it to find out information, maybe try it sometime?[/p][/quote]so where are the benefit claimants? state pension is not a "benefit" it is fundamentally a sunk cost. presumably communists are unable to differentiate.[/p][/quote]Paid from the DWP's budget every year, it's a benefit. You keep repeating "sunk cost" like a mantra, yet every year it comes out of the DWP's budget. No answer on the fact that the vast majority of brits in spain are employed? not surprised. returnoftheleftie

8:19am Mon 9 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
http://www.prospects



.ac.uk/work_in_spain



.htm

for the google addicts your numbers are sadly wrong. and you researched your stats. clueless muppet.
I can find estimates over 1.2 million, I picked a number roughly in the middle. For countries like australia, the number goes even higher- just under 1 in 10 british born people live abroad.

And as the other poster said, signing your posts isn't required!
last i checked oz was not in the eu. ok so you admit your numbers are wrong. distortion is a desperate tactic.
So, pointing out that the numbers could be even higher than a million, which would make my claim even stronger, is distortion? LOL

I never claimed they were in the EU, no-one mentioned the EU before, they flat out talked about sending all immigrants home- there are a fair few australians here, ergo the number of brits in oz becomes relevant.

Would that be distortion on your part?
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: http://www.prospects .ac.uk/work_in_spain .htm for the google addicts your numbers are sadly wrong. and you researched your stats. clueless muppet.[/p][/quote]I can find estimates over 1.2 million, I picked a number roughly in the middle. For countries like australia, the number goes even higher- just under 1 in 10 british born people live abroad. And as the other poster said, signing your posts isn't required![/p][/quote]last i checked oz was not in the eu. ok so you admit your numbers are wrong. distortion is a desperate tactic.[/p][/quote]So, pointing out that the numbers could be even higher than a million, which would make my claim even stronger, is distortion? LOL I never claimed they were in the EU, no-one mentioned the EU before, they flat out talked about sending all immigrants home- there are a fair few australians here, ergo the number of brits in oz becomes relevant. Would that be distortion on your part? returnoftheleftie

8:29am Mon 9 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

PS: you are a poor quality troll, even for the echo!
PS: you are a poor quality troll, even for the echo! returnoftheleftie

8:54am Mon 9 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
http://www.prospects




.ac.uk/work_in_spain




.htm

for the google addicts your numbers are sadly wrong. and you researched your stats. clueless muppet.
I can find estimates over 1.2 million, I picked a number roughly in the middle. For countries like australia, the number goes even higher- just under 1 in 10 british born people live abroad.

And as the other poster said, signing your posts isn't required!
last i checked oz was not in the eu. ok so you admit your numbers are wrong. distortion is a desperate tactic.
So, pointing out that the numbers could be even higher than a million, which would make my claim even stronger, is distortion? LOL

I never claimed they were in the EU, no-one mentioned the EU before, they flat out talked about sending all immigrants home- there are a fair few australians here, ergo the number of brits in oz becomes relevant.

Would that be distortion on your part?
the number is 400k. you were wrong (again). get over it. australians are here on visas after 2 years ergo irrelevant. even a stopped clock is right twice a day but you are never right...what's your secret?
[quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: http://www.prospects .ac.uk/work_in_spain .htm for the google addicts your numbers are sadly wrong. and you researched your stats. clueless muppet.[/p][/quote]I can find estimates over 1.2 million, I picked a number roughly in the middle. For countries like australia, the number goes even higher- just under 1 in 10 british born people live abroad. And as the other poster said, signing your posts isn't required![/p][/quote]last i checked oz was not in the eu. ok so you admit your numbers are wrong. distortion is a desperate tactic.[/p][/quote]So, pointing out that the numbers could be even higher than a million, which would make my claim even stronger, is distortion? LOL I never claimed they were in the EU, no-one mentioned the EU before, they flat out talked about sending all immigrants home- there are a fair few australians here, ergo the number of brits in oz becomes relevant. Would that be distortion on your part?[/p][/quote]the number is 400k. you were wrong (again). get over it. australians are here on visas after 2 years ergo irrelevant. even a stopped clock is right twice a day but you are never right...what's your secret? profondo asbo

9:02am Mon 9 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
hornsxandxhalos wrote:
If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.
What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone
and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.
21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself?

And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out.

Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best?
and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers.

pension benefits are sunk costs and paid regardless of location of the oap.

clown.
Over 72% of british expats in spain are employed.

You claimed the OAP's weren't sucking up benefits, you were wrong, I corrected.


There's this thing called google, where you can use it to find out information, maybe try it sometime?
so where are the benefit claimants? state pension is not a "benefit" it is fundamentally a sunk cost. presumably communists are unable to differentiate.
Paid from the DWP's budget every year, it's a benefit. You keep repeating "sunk cost" like a mantra, yet every year it comes out of the DWP's budget.

No answer on the fact that the vast majority of brits in spain are employed? not surprised.
the state pension is paid to uk national oaps REGARDLESS of their location. job seekers is not. can your pea sized brain understand that concept?

your numbers are doubtlessly wrong...where is the source?
[quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hornsxandxhalos[/bold] wrote: If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.[/p][/quote]What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone[/p][/quote]and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.[/p][/quote]21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself? And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out. Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best?[/p][/quote]and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers. pension benefits are sunk costs and paid regardless of location of the oap. clown.[/p][/quote]Over 72% of british expats in spain are employed. You claimed the OAP's weren't sucking up benefits, you were wrong, I corrected. There's this thing called google, where you can use it to find out information, maybe try it sometime?[/p][/quote]so where are the benefit claimants? state pension is not a "benefit" it is fundamentally a sunk cost. presumably communists are unable to differentiate.[/p][/quote]Paid from the DWP's budget every year, it's a benefit. You keep repeating "sunk cost" like a mantra, yet every year it comes out of the DWP's budget. No answer on the fact that the vast majority of brits in spain are employed? not surprised.[/p][/quote]the state pension is paid to uk national oaps REGARDLESS of their location. job seekers is not. can your pea sized brain understand that concept? your numbers are doubtlessly wrong...where is the source? profondo asbo

9:19am Mon 9 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
http://www.prospects





.ac.uk/work_in_spain





.htm

for the google addicts your numbers are sadly wrong. and you researched your stats. clueless muppet.
I can find estimates over 1.2 million, I picked a number roughly in the middle. For countries like australia, the number goes even higher- just under 1 in 10 british born people live abroad.

And as the other poster said, signing your posts isn't required!
last i checked oz was not in the eu. ok so you admit your numbers are wrong. distortion is a desperate tactic.
So, pointing out that the numbers could be even higher than a million, which would make my claim even stronger, is distortion? LOL

I never claimed they were in the EU, no-one mentioned the EU before, they flat out talked about sending all immigrants home- there are a fair few australians here, ergo the number of brits in oz becomes relevant.

Would that be distortion on your part?
the number is 400k. you were wrong (again). get over it. australians are here on visas after 2 years ergo irrelevant. even a stopped clock is right twice a day but you are never right...what's your secret?
You do realise, that there are multiple estimates (as already pointed out), and picking a midrange is preferable to picking the lowest you can find, and the subtracting from that? Especially as the only estimates around 400K are from before the millennium?

And if we sent australian immigrants home, they would more than likely expel brits in the same manner, visa or not.

You are trying to nitpick your way out- the facts are as this: someone suggested sending ALL the immigrants home. Countries faced with a sudden influx are thus likely to respond in the same manner, and with 1 in 10 brits living abroad, actually increase the number of people living here.

Of course, as already pointed out, this was already a side step from the issue- it was meant as a way of securing jobs for those in poverty, but it turns out most people in poverty are already in jobs.
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: http://www.prospects .ac.uk/work_in_spain .htm for the google addicts your numbers are sadly wrong. and you researched your stats. clueless muppet.[/p][/quote]I can find estimates over 1.2 million, I picked a number roughly in the middle. For countries like australia, the number goes even higher- just under 1 in 10 british born people live abroad. And as the other poster said, signing your posts isn't required![/p][/quote]last i checked oz was not in the eu. ok so you admit your numbers are wrong. distortion is a desperate tactic.[/p][/quote]So, pointing out that the numbers could be even higher than a million, which would make my claim even stronger, is distortion? LOL I never claimed they were in the EU, no-one mentioned the EU before, they flat out talked about sending all immigrants home- there are a fair few australians here, ergo the number of brits in oz becomes relevant. Would that be distortion on your part?[/p][/quote]the number is 400k. you were wrong (again). get over it. australians are here on visas after 2 years ergo irrelevant. even a stopped clock is right twice a day but you are never right...what's your secret?[/p][/quote]You do realise, that there are multiple estimates (as already pointed out), and picking a midrange is preferable to picking the lowest you can find, and the subtracting from that? Especially as the only estimates around 400K are from before the millennium? And if we sent australian immigrants home, they would more than likely expel brits in the same manner, visa or not. You are trying to nitpick your way out- the facts are as this: someone suggested sending ALL the immigrants home. Countries faced with a sudden influx are thus likely to respond in the same manner, and with 1 in 10 brits living abroad, actually increase the number of people living here. Of course, as already pointed out, this was already a side step from the issue- it was meant as a way of securing jobs for those in poverty, but it turns out most people in poverty are already in jobs. returnoftheleftie

9:34am Mon 9 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

it was the first number i found and it is a reliable source. i'm sure i could find sources with lower estimates. you have provided no source and a lot of floundering.

the australian issue is irrelevant. we have a reciprocal agreement where they can work for 2 years on a visa and then they either require a work permit or they go home ergo irrelevant as they are temporary visitors.

why keep making excuses for the eu. the left voted against eu membership in the 70s and exiting europe was a cornerstone of michael foot's '83 campaign. now it's the best thing since one of jack monroe's recipes. a complete 180. the left really are clueless
it was the first number i found and it is a reliable source. i'm sure i could find sources with lower estimates. you have provided no source and a lot of floundering. the australian issue is irrelevant. we have a reciprocal agreement where they can work for 2 years on a visa and then they either require a work permit or they go home ergo irrelevant as they are temporary visitors. why keep making excuses for the eu. the left voted against eu membership in the 70s and exiting europe was a cornerstone of michael foot's '83 campaign. now it's the best thing since one of jack monroe's recipes. a complete 180. the left really are clueless profondo asbo

9:47am Mon 9 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
hornsxandxhalos wrote:
If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.
What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone
and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.
21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself?

And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out.

Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best?
and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers.

pension benefits are sunk costs and paid regardless of location of the oap.

clown.
Over 72% of british expats in spain are employed.

You claimed the OAP's weren't sucking up benefits, you were wrong, I corrected.


There's this thing called google, where you can use it to find out information, maybe try it sometime?
so where are the benefit claimants? state pension is not a "benefit" it is fundamentally a sunk cost. presumably communists are unable to differentiate.
Paid from the DWP's budget every year, it's a benefit. You keep repeating "sunk cost" like a mantra, yet every year it comes out of the DWP's budget.

No answer on the fact that the vast majority of brits in spain are employed? not surprised.
the state pension is paid to uk national oaps REGARDLESS of their location. job seekers is not. can your pea sized brain understand that concept?

your numbers are doubtlessly wrong...where is the source?
You keep constructing these little strawmen, like

"they are all OAP's over there"

And they weren't

or, "pensions aren't a benefit"

Yet they suck up nearly half of the entire benefits budget, with other OAP related benefits taking them over 50%

or "the rest are second homers or retired" and the unemployment rate for brits in spain is actually less than the rate of unemployed spanish in spain (6.3% to 7.7%, IPPR).

Or "but they get paid state pension anyway"

No-one claimed otherwise, it was you claiming that they weren't sucking up benefits, when they actually account for more than half of all benefits paid out by the DWP.

As for sources, the guardian has pretty charts to explain it http://www.theguardi
an.com/news/datablog
/2013/jan/08/uk-bene
fit-welfare-spending (are they not reputable enough? check the linked DWP website for benefits breakdown), or the http://www.ippr.org for a detailed look at employment levels in spain, and for brits across the EU. If you can read spanish, you could even look at www.ine.es, for the Revisión del Padrón municipal 2007.

Then keep trying to squirm around and deflect from the fact that there are a lot of brits abroad, and having them all arrive back because we kicked out dem migrants would be a bad idea
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hornsxandxhalos[/bold] wrote: If they sent the foreigners home and stopped upping the price of everything, then more people would have jobs and there wouldn't be much need for food banks.[/p][/quote]What, and have all our expats sent back at the same time, negating it? There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone[/p][/quote]and? basic and flawed analysis - they're pensioners which we're paying for already and not sucking benefits.[/p][/quote]21.5% of brits in spain are over 65. Took less than a minute to find that one out, ever thought of looking for facts yourself? And as far as sucking benefits, OAP's take up more than half the total benefits bill. Again, less than a minute to find this out. Do you ever bother researching your own position, or do you just blurt out what sounds right and hope for the best?[/p][/quote]and the rest are second homers or early retirees. they ain't exactly claiming job seekers. pension benefits are sunk costs and paid regardless of location of the oap. clown.[/p][/quote]Over 72% of british expats in spain are employed. You claimed the OAP's weren't sucking up benefits, you were wrong, I corrected. There's this thing called google, where you can use it to find out information, maybe try it sometime?[/p][/quote]so where are the benefit claimants? state pension is not a "benefit" it is fundamentally a sunk cost. presumably communists are unable to differentiate.[/p][/quote]Paid from the DWP's budget every year, it's a benefit. You keep repeating "sunk cost" like a mantra, yet every year it comes out of the DWP's budget. No answer on the fact that the vast majority of brits in spain are employed? not surprised.[/p][/quote]the state pension is paid to uk national oaps REGARDLESS of their location. job seekers is not. can your pea sized brain understand that concept? your numbers are doubtlessly wrong...where is the source?[/p][/quote]You keep constructing these little strawmen, like "they are all OAP's over there" And they weren't or, "pensions aren't a benefit" Yet they suck up nearly half of the entire benefits budget, with other OAP related benefits taking them over 50% or "the rest are second homers or retired" and the unemployment rate for brits in spain is actually less than the rate of unemployed spanish in spain (6.3% to 7.7%, IPPR). Or "but they get paid state pension anyway" No-one claimed otherwise, it was you claiming that they weren't sucking up benefits, when they actually account for more than half of all benefits paid out by the DWP. As for sources, the guardian has pretty charts to explain it http://www.theguardi an.com/news/datablog /2013/jan/08/uk-bene fit-welfare-spending (are they not reputable enough? check the linked DWP website for benefits breakdown), or the http://www.ippr.org for a detailed look at employment levels in spain, and for brits across the EU. If you can read spanish, you could even look at www.ine.es, for the Revisión del Padrón municipal 2007. Then keep trying to squirm around and deflect from the fact that there are a lot of brits abroad, and having them all arrive back because we kicked out dem migrants would be a bad idea returnoftheleftie

10:01am Mon 9 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

profondo asbo wrote:
it was the first number i found and it is a reliable source. i'm sure i could find sources with lower estimates. you have provided no source and a lot of floundering.

the australian issue is irrelevant. we have a reciprocal agreement where they can work for 2 years on a visa and then they either require a work permit or they go home ergo irrelevant as they are temporary visitors.

why keep making excuses for the eu. the left voted against eu membership in the 70s and exiting europe was a cornerstone of michael foot's '83 campaign. now it's the best thing since one of jack monroe's recipes. a complete 180. the left really are clueless
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/uk/6161705.st
m

990,000. (This one actually lists less than 75K pensioners, far less than the 21% I found earlier, when you were claiming that, and I quote, "they're pensioners")

Again, if we sent australian immigrants home, they would more than likely expel brits in the same manner, visa or not. That was the argument posited, making up your own version of events and attacking that is a logical fallacy.

And again, the only person to bring up the EU, has been you. Its another strawman, isn't it? No-one mentions it, but according to you, we are "making excuses", which is a flat out lie, isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: it was the first number i found and it is a reliable source. i'm sure i could find sources with lower estimates. you have provided no source and a lot of floundering. the australian issue is irrelevant. we have a reciprocal agreement where they can work for 2 years on a visa and then they either require a work permit or they go home ergo irrelevant as they are temporary visitors. why keep making excuses for the eu. the left voted against eu membership in the 70s and exiting europe was a cornerstone of michael foot's '83 campaign. now it's the best thing since one of jack monroe's recipes. a complete 180. the left really are clueless[/p][/quote]http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/uk/6161705.st m 990,000. (This one actually lists less than 75K pensioners, far less than the 21% I found earlier, when you were claiming that, and I quote, "they're pensioners") Again, if we sent australian immigrants home, they would more than likely expel brits in the same manner, visa or not. That was the argument posited, making up your own version of events and attacking that is a logical fallacy. And again, the only person to bring up the EU, has been you. Its another strawman, isn't it? No-one mentions it, but according to you, we are "making excuses", which is a flat out lie, isn't it? returnoftheleftie

10:07am Mon 9 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

further evidence that the left never concede they are wrong.
further evidence that the left never concede they are wrong. profondo asbo

10:21am Mon 9 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

the bbc article is 7 years old! part timers are completely irrelevant as they are second homers so why did you not go with the lower figure?
the bbc article is 7 years old! part timers are completely irrelevant as they are second homers so why did you not go with the lower figure? profondo asbo

10:33am Mon 9 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

What, you mean the lower figure that's still nearly double what you claimed?

Still waiting on you pointing out where people were "making excuses" for the EU, or are you going to admit you flat out lied, and you were the only one to bring it up, presumably to try and deflect from making multiple false statements in a row?
What, you mean the lower figure that's still nearly double what you claimed? Still waiting on you pointing out where people were "making excuses" for the EU, or are you going to admit you flat out lied, and you were the only one to bring it up, presumably to try and deflect from making multiple false statements in a row? returnoftheleftie

10:48am Mon 9 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

returnoftheleftie wrote:
What, you mean the lower figure that's still nearly double what you claimed?

Still waiting on you pointing out where people were "making excuses" for the EU, or are you going to admit you flat out lied, and you were the only one to bring it up, presumably to try and deflect from making multiple false statements in a row?
the number is from eurostat and is 2 years old.

http://tinyurl.com/o
pnrkch

read it and weep.

i have no clue what the rest of your post refers to
[quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: What, you mean the lower figure that's still nearly double what you claimed? Still waiting on you pointing out where people were "making excuses" for the EU, or are you going to admit you flat out lied, and you were the only one to bring it up, presumably to try and deflect from making multiple false statements in a row?[/p][/quote]the number is from eurostat and is 2 years old. http://tinyurl.com/o pnrkch read it and weep. i have no clue what the rest of your post refers to profondo asbo

11:14am Mon 9 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

returnoftheleftie wrote:
What, you mean the lower figure that's still nearly double what you claimed?

Still waiting on you pointing out where people were "making excuses" for the EU, or are you going to admit you flat out lied, and you were the only one to bring it up, presumably to try and deflect from making multiple false statements in a row?
you still did not answer why you went for the higher figure or did you just round to the nearest distortion whoops meant million?
[quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: What, you mean the lower figure that's still nearly double what you claimed? Still waiting on you pointing out where people were "making excuses" for the EU, or are you going to admit you flat out lied, and you were the only one to bring it up, presumably to try and deflect from making multiple false statements in a row?[/p][/quote]you still did not answer why you went for the higher figure or did you just round to the nearest distortion whoops meant million? profondo asbo

11:19am Mon 9 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
What, you mean the lower figure that's still nearly double what you claimed?

Still waiting on you pointing out where people were "making excuses" for the EU, or are you going to admit you flat out lied, and you were the only one to bring it up, presumably to try and deflect from making multiple false statements in a row?
the number is from eurostat and is 2 years old.

http://tinyurl.com/o

pnrkch

read it and weep.

i have no clue what the rest of your post refers to
What, you need to be told again the difference between a low end estimate cherrypicked by a right wing thinktank, which attacks it's own sources in the article as "patchy and possibly unreliable" and the rest of the estimates, some of which go above a million? You realise the spanish figures only include registered britons, which is an anachronism as brits have not been required to register for well over a decade under the freedom of movement for workers, which lead to the whole uncertainty over numbers in the first place?

Let me break this down, so you can understand the rest of the post.

You claimed people were "making excuses" for the EU. Either point out where they did this, or admit to lying.
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: What, you mean the lower figure that's still nearly double what you claimed? Still waiting on you pointing out where people were "making excuses" for the EU, or are you going to admit you flat out lied, and you were the only one to bring it up, presumably to try and deflect from making multiple false statements in a row?[/p][/quote]the number is from eurostat and is 2 years old. http://tinyurl.com/o pnrkch read it and weep. i have no clue what the rest of your post refers to[/p][/quote]What, you need to be told again the difference between a low end estimate cherrypicked by a right wing thinktank, which attacks it's own sources in the article as "patchy and possibly unreliable" and the rest of the estimates, some of which go above a million? You realise the spanish figures only include registered britons, which is an anachronism as brits have not been required to register for well over a decade under the freedom of movement for workers, which lead to the whole uncertainty over numbers in the first place? Let me break this down, so you can understand the rest of the post. You claimed people were "making excuses" for the EU. Either point out where they did this, or admit to lying. returnoftheleftie

11:27am Mon 9 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

the source is eurostat you clown. the table used in the article is a cut and paste from eurostat. eurostat might be a right wing thinktank in your head.

nope still no clue about making excuses. i have re read the posts. keep on distorting....
the source is eurostat you clown. the table used in the article is a cut and paste from eurostat. eurostat might be a right wing thinktank in your head. nope still no clue about making excuses. i have re read the posts. keep on distorting.... profondo asbo

11:35am Mon 9 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

maybe you're referring to labour's 180 degree about face turn on europe??
maybe you're referring to labour's 180 degree about face turn on europe?? profondo asbo

11:37am Mon 9 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

profondo asbo wrote:
the source is eurostat you clown. the table used in the article is a cut and paste from eurostat. eurostat might be a right wing thinktank in your head.

nope still no clue about making excuses. i have re read the posts. keep on distorting....
migration watch is the thinktank. eurostat is the source, the same source that migration watch attack for being "patchy and possibly unreliable". of course you want to ignore that brits aren't required to register themselves and haven't been for years, as that would be the same as admitting the figures are inaccurate

Lets do this again.

09:34, today, you posted "why keep making excuses for the eu".

Point out where people were making excuses for the EU, or admit you lied.

Here's a hint, its a lie, because no-one had mentioned the EU, let alone defended it. You brought it up, because attacking a position no-one stated is obviously easier than dealing with the facts- record numbers of brits are in poverty, and most of them are in work.
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: the source is eurostat you clown. the table used in the article is a cut and paste from eurostat. eurostat might be a right wing thinktank in your head. nope still no clue about making excuses. i have re read the posts. keep on distorting....[/p][/quote]migration watch is the thinktank. eurostat is the source, the same source that migration watch attack for being "patchy and possibly unreliable". of course you want to ignore that brits aren't required to register themselves and haven't been for years, as that would be the same as admitting the figures are inaccurate Lets do this again. 09:34, today, you posted "why keep making excuses for the eu". Point out where people were making excuses for the EU, or admit you lied. Here's a hint, its a lie, because no-one had mentioned the EU, let alone defended it. You brought it up, because attacking a position no-one stated is obviously easier than dealing with the facts- record numbers of brits are in poverty, and most of them are in work. returnoftheleftie

11:47am Mon 9 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
the source is eurostat you clown. the table used in the article is a cut and paste from eurostat. eurostat might be a right wing thinktank in your head.

nope still no clue about making excuses. i have re read the posts. keep on distorting....
migration watch is the thinktank. eurostat is the source, the same source that migration watch attack for being "patchy and possibly unreliable". of course you want to ignore that brits aren't required to register themselves and haven't been for years, as that would be the same as admitting the figures are inaccurate

Lets do this again.

09:34, today, you posted "why keep making excuses for the eu".

Point out where people were making excuses for the EU, or admit you lied.

Here's a hint, its a lie, because no-one had mentioned the EU, let alone defended it. You brought it up, because attacking a position no-one stated is obviously easier than dealing with the facts- record numbers of brits are in poverty, and most of them are in work.
nope. that is a flounder. are you stating that eurostat's numbers are wrong?

do you or do you not support continued membership of the eu? i'm not expecting a straight answer btw because you have demonstrated that you are not capable of providing one.
[quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: the source is eurostat you clown. the table used in the article is a cut and paste from eurostat. eurostat might be a right wing thinktank in your head. nope still no clue about making excuses. i have re read the posts. keep on distorting....[/p][/quote]migration watch is the thinktank. eurostat is the source, the same source that migration watch attack for being "patchy and possibly unreliable". of course you want to ignore that brits aren't required to register themselves and haven't been for years, as that would be the same as admitting the figures are inaccurate Lets do this again. 09:34, today, you posted "why keep making excuses for the eu". Point out where people were making excuses for the EU, or admit you lied. Here's a hint, its a lie, because no-one had mentioned the EU, let alone defended it. You brought it up, because attacking a position no-one stated is obviously easier than dealing with the facts- record numbers of brits are in poverty, and most of them are in work.[/p][/quote]nope. that is a flounder. are you stating that eurostat's numbers are wrong? do you or do you not support continued membership of the eu? i'm not expecting a straight answer btw because you have demonstrated that you are not capable of providing one. profondo asbo

12:01pm Mon 9 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

Your link states the numbers from eurostat are "patchy and possibly unreliable". That would be your link, stating that the numbers are, "patchy and possibly unreliable". The link that you posted in support of your argument, that states the numbers from eurostat are "patchy and possibly unreliable", that is.

Not that I get the relevancy of the question, I mean I straight up demonstrated that you bringing up the EU was a strawman but I will happily answer it after you answer mine, quid pro quo and all.

Did you lie, yes or no. A no answer will require you to show where people in this discussion thread were, and I quote, "making excuses for the eu", or indeed, any mention of the EU whatsoever.
Your link states the numbers from eurostat are "patchy and possibly unreliable". That would be your link, stating that the numbers are, "patchy and possibly unreliable". The link that you posted in support of your argument, that states the numbers from eurostat are "patchy and possibly unreliable", that is. Not that I get the relevancy of the question, I mean I straight up demonstrated that you bringing up the EU was a strawman but I will happily answer it after you answer mine, quid pro quo and all. Did you lie, yes or no. A no answer will require you to show where people in this discussion thread were, and I quote, "making excuses for the eu", or indeed, any mention of the EU whatsoever. returnoftheleftie

12:10pm Mon 9 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

as demonstrated. it's pathological

this whole thread is a eulogy to the eu. the distortion of all your numbers are upwards (odd that)
as demonstrated. it's pathological this whole thread is a eulogy to the eu. the distortion of all your numbers are upwards (odd that) profondo asbo

12:12pm Mon 9 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

profondo asbo wrote:
as demonstrated. it's pathological

this whole thread is a eulogy to the eu. the distortion of all your numbers are upwards (odd that)
Did you lie, yes or no. A no answer will require you to show where people in this discussion thread were, and I quote, "making excuses for the eu", or indeed, any mention of the EU whatsoever.
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: as demonstrated. it's pathological this whole thread is a eulogy to the eu. the distortion of all your numbers are upwards (odd that)[/p][/quote]Did you lie, yes or no. A no answer will require you to show where people in this discussion thread were, and I quote, "making excuses for the eu", or indeed, any mention of the EU whatsoever. returnoftheleftie

3:14pm Mon 9 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

no. as i say all of your "stats" are distorted to shift the dynamics of the immigration issue.

i'm not expecting you to answer my question.
no. as i say all of your "stats" are distorted to shift the dynamics of the immigration issue. i'm not expecting you to answer my question. profondo asbo

3:23pm Mon 9 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

you did however knowingly distort so that could be construed in some lights as lying
you did however knowingly distort so that could be construed in some lights as lying profondo asbo

3:24pm Mon 9 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

profondo asbo wrote:
no. as i say all of your "stats" are distorted to shift the dynamics of the immigration issue.

i'm not expecting you to answer my question.
A no answer will require you to show where people in this discussion thread were, and I quote, "making excuses for the eu", or indeed, any mention of the EU whatsoever.

So, come on. A time/date will do.

But it didn't happen, did it? You lied, you know you lied, anyone bothered to read all this knows you lied, but you can't accept that, can you?

If I'm wrong, post evidence. Oh, wait....
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: no. as i say all of your "stats" are distorted to shift the dynamics of the immigration issue. i'm not expecting you to answer my question.[/p][/quote]A no answer will require you to show where people in this discussion thread were, and I quote, "making excuses for the eu", or indeed, any mention of the EU whatsoever. So, come on. A time/date will do. But it didn't happen, did it? You lied, you know you lied, anyone bothered to read all this knows you lied, but you can't accept that, can you? If I'm wrong, post evidence. Oh, wait.... returnoftheleftie

3:31pm Mon 9 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

profondo asbo wrote:
you did however knowingly distort so that could be construed in some lights as lying
What, you mean using estimates and acknowledged a range of estimates as opposed to what you linked, which attacked its own sources as "patchy and possibly unreliable" while ignoring that it relied on registered brits which haven't been legally required to register themselves for over a decade?

LOL

So, come on, you claim you didn't lie, prove it. The evidence should be above somewhere, as I said, a time/date will do!
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: you did however knowingly distort so that could be construed in some lights as lying[/p][/quote]What, you mean using estimates and acknowledged a range of estimates as opposed to what you linked, which attacked its own sources as "patchy and possibly unreliable" while ignoring that it relied on registered brits which haven't been legally required to register themselves for over a decade? LOL So, come on, you claim you didn't lie, prove it. The evidence should be above somewhere, as I said, a time/date will do! returnoftheleftie

3:56pm Mon 9 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

the distortion is all from you. bit touchy on the subject of the eu aren't you? kinda begs the question why?
the distortion is all from you. bit touchy on the subject of the eu aren't you? kinda begs the question why? profondo asbo

4:13pm Mon 9 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

profondo asbo wrote:
the distortion is all from you. bit touchy on the subject of the eu aren't you? kinda begs the question why?
You claim you didn't lie, then prove it.

It should be really easy to point to a post that was "making excuses for the EU", apart from the fact that no-one even mentioned the EU before you, let alone "make excuses" for it.

You kept jumping back to this strawman, this lie, and now it's all you have, isn't it?

Poor quality troll, failed to keep your options open, couldn't even construct a decent strawman argument to attack. Tut. Tut.
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: the distortion is all from you. bit touchy on the subject of the eu aren't you? kinda begs the question why?[/p][/quote]You claim you didn't lie, then prove it. It should be really easy to point to a post that was "making excuses for the EU", apart from the fact that no-one even mentioned the EU before you, let alone "make excuses" for it. You kept jumping back to this strawman, this lie, and now it's all you have, isn't it? Poor quality troll, failed to keep your options open, couldn't even construct a decent strawman argument to attack. Tut. Tut. returnoftheleftie

4:32pm Mon 9 Dec 13

jayman says...

wow asbo. I must commend you for your professional troll abilities. you where unable to win that argument based on food bank use so you switched the points 'so to speak' and hijacked the argument.

the statistical data is based flawed because they (border officials) where not counting people 'out' they where just counting people 'in'.

statistical data from the ONS shows that net immigration and migration are stabilising. Their has not been a continuous fall in net migration since 1980-1982. The trend has been upward since then.

Im fairness to both parties. migration figures are not accurate enough to support any side of an argument as they (the border agency) have only just started to count immigrates who return and categorise immigrants who return to the UK for seasonal work.

It does worry me that the Tories are basing policy and EU treaty amendments on wildly imperfect data...
wow asbo. I must commend you for your professional troll abilities. you where unable to win that argument based on food bank use so you switched the points 'so to speak' and hijacked the argument. the statistical data is based flawed because they (border officials) where not counting people 'out' they where just counting people 'in'. statistical data from the ONS shows that net immigration and migration are stabilising. Their has not been a continuous fall in net migration since 1980-1982. The trend has been upward since then. Im fairness to both parties. migration figures are not accurate enough to support any side of an argument as they (the border agency) have only just started to count immigrates who return and categorise immigrants who return to the UK for seasonal work. It does worry me that the Tories are basing policy and EU treaty amendments on wildly imperfect data... jayman

4:34pm Mon 9 Dec 13

jayman says...

here is a link to the ONS data

http://www.ons.gov.u
k/ons/rel/migration1
/migration-statistic
s-quarterly-report/n
ovember-2013/sty-emi
grating.html
here is a link to the ONS data http://www.ons.gov.u k/ons/rel/migration1 /migration-statistic s-quarterly-report/n ovember-2013/sty-emi grating.html jayman

5:28pm Mon 9 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

jayman wrote:
wow asbo. I must commend you for your professional troll abilities. you where unable to win that argument based on food bank use so you switched the points 'so to speak' and hijacked the argument.

the statistical data is based flawed because they (border officials) where not counting people 'out' they where just counting people 'in'.

statistical data from the ONS shows that net immigration and migration are stabilising. Their has not been a continuous fall in net migration since 1980-1982. The trend has been upward since then.

Im fairness to both parties. migration figures are not accurate enough to support any side of an argument as they (the border agency) have only just started to count immigrates who return and categorise immigrants who return to the UK for seasonal work.

It does worry me that the Tories are basing policy and EU treaty amendments on wildly imperfect data...
there are a lot of "stats" being used on this story. i for one am quite comfortable running the risk of our expats forced repatriation. anyone who believes our benefits bill would be higher is deluded.
foreign, unskilled slave labour can go home tomorrow as far as i'm concerned. skilled workers can stay provided their employer organises the necessary papers which can be obtained quickly. unemployment and the issue of employers flouting minimum wage would be solved in a heartbeat.
we stay as a trading member of the eu only.

can't for the life of me understand why the left wing are so wedded to europe when they so loathed the concept in the 70s and 80s.
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: wow asbo. I must commend you for your professional troll abilities. you where unable to win that argument based on food bank use so you switched the points 'so to speak' and hijacked the argument. the statistical data is based flawed because they (border officials) where not counting people 'out' they where just counting people 'in'. statistical data from the ONS shows that net immigration and migration are stabilising. Their has not been a continuous fall in net migration since 1980-1982. The trend has been upward since then. Im fairness to both parties. migration figures are not accurate enough to support any side of an argument as they (the border agency) have only just started to count immigrates who return and categorise immigrants who return to the UK for seasonal work. It does worry me that the Tories are basing policy and EU treaty amendments on wildly imperfect data...[/p][/quote]there are a lot of "stats" being used on this story. i for one am quite comfortable running the risk of our expats forced repatriation. anyone who believes our benefits bill would be higher is deluded. foreign, unskilled slave labour can go home tomorrow as far as i'm concerned. skilled workers can stay provided their employer organises the necessary papers which can be obtained quickly. unemployment and the issue of employers flouting minimum wage would be solved in a heartbeat. we stay as a trading member of the eu only. can't for the life of me understand why the left wing are so wedded to europe when they so loathed the concept in the 70s and 80s. profondo asbo

5:56pm Mon 9 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

'sup liar, gonna admit you lied yet, liar?
'sup liar, gonna admit you lied yet, liar? returnoftheleftie

6:33pm Mon 9 Dec 13

InTheKnowOk says...

profondo asbo wrote:
the distortion is all from you. bit touchy on the subject of the eu aren't you? kinda begs the question why?
I smell cat's p155
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: the distortion is all from you. bit touchy on the subject of the eu aren't you? kinda begs the question why?[/p][/quote]I smell cat's p155 InTheKnowOk

6:43pm Mon 9 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

Blackblood says...

profondo asbo wrote:
it's an observation not a personal attack. how do you justify multiple usernames...it's surely more inconvenient?

the minimum wage was introduced during a major economic cyclical boom. we are not in the same place now. however this is not just a cyclical argument and there have been huge structural changes to our workforce since '99 - the inclusion of more than a few eastern european workers for starters.

It's a personal attack, i have only ever posted as Blackblood. Unlike yourself who has had at least five usernames since i started reading this website.

The living wage will make no more difference to employment than the minimum wage, and it can't happen soon enough.
Blackblood says... profondo asbo wrote: it's an observation not a personal attack. how do you justify multiple usernames...it's surely more inconvenient? the minimum wage was introduced during a major economic cyclical boom. we are not in the same place now. however this is not just a cyclical argument and there have been huge structural changes to our workforce since '99 - the inclusion of more than a few eastern european workers for starters. It's a personal attack, i have only ever posted as Blackblood. Unlike yourself who has had at least five usernames since i started reading this website. The living wage will make no more difference to employment than the minimum wage, and it can't happen soon enough. profondo asbo

6:44pm Mon 9 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

profondo asbo wrote:
it's a shame you can't be straight with us. how are we to trust anything else that you post? are you or are you not posting as turboleftie as well?
profondo asbo wrote: it's a shame you can't be straight with us. how are we to trust anything else that you post? are you or are you not posting as turboleftie as well? profondo asbo

6:46pm Mon 9 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

only one liar here and that's the distorter. got that clownski?
only one liar here and that's the distorter. got that clownski? profondo asbo

7:14pm Mon 9 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

profondo asbo wrote:
only one liar here and that's the distorter. got that clownski?
So you can point out where people were talking about the EU before you brought it up, let alone "making excuses" for it, liar?

Oh wait, you can't, liar.

You can't do it, because it doesn't exist, you lied about it, liar!

I mean, after your best source said it's data source was "patchy and possibly unreliable" you knew you were sunk anyway, but continuing to lie when the truth is available for everyone to see must sting a bit, eh, liar?
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: only one liar here and that's the distorter. got that clownski?[/p][/quote]So you can point out where people were talking about the EU before you brought it up, let alone "making excuses" for it, liar? Oh wait, you can't, liar. You can't do it, because it doesn't exist, you lied about it, liar! I mean, after your best source said it's data source was "patchy and possibly unreliable" you knew you were sunk anyway, but continuing to lie when the truth is available for everyone to see must sting a bit, eh, liar? returnoftheleftie

7:25pm Mon 9 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
only one liar here and that's the distorter. got that clownski?
So you can point out where people were talking about the EU before you brought it up, let alone "making excuses" for it, liar?

Oh wait, you can't, liar.

You can't do it, because it doesn't exist, you lied about it, liar!

I mean, after your best source said it's data source was "patchy and possibly unreliable" you knew you were sunk anyway, but continuing to lie when the truth is available for everyone to see must sting a bit, eh, liar?
have you tried anger management?

i interpret from the posts. you tell bare faced lies as detailed above. the repatriation argument is the con-erstone of the guardian readers' pro eu argument. i simply read between the lines. what is clear from the above is that you have taken offence previously for being challenged on your record of frequent (dis)honesty which is well documented on these threads.

now run along...wouldn't want to make you late for your telling porkys for dummys class
[quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: only one liar here and that's the distorter. got that clownski?[/p][/quote]So you can point out where people were talking about the EU before you brought it up, let alone "making excuses" for it, liar? Oh wait, you can't, liar. You can't do it, because it doesn't exist, you lied about it, liar! I mean, after your best source said it's data source was "patchy and possibly unreliable" you knew you were sunk anyway, but continuing to lie when the truth is available for everyone to see must sting a bit, eh, liar?[/p][/quote]have you tried anger management? i interpret from the posts. you tell bare faced lies as detailed above. the repatriation argument is the con-erstone of the guardian readers' pro eu argument. i simply read between the lines. what is clear from the above is that you have taken offence previously for being challenged on your record of frequent (dis)honesty which is well documented on these threads. now run along...wouldn't want to make you late for your telling porkys for dummys class profondo asbo

7:36pm Mon 9 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
only one liar here and that's the distorter. got that clownski?
So you can point out where people were talking about the EU before you brought it up, let alone "making excuses" for it, liar?

Oh wait, you can't, liar.

You can't do it, because it doesn't exist, you lied about it, liar!

I mean, after your best source said it's data source was "patchy and possibly unreliable" you knew you were sunk anyway, but continuing to lie when the truth is available for everyone to see must sting a bit, eh, liar?
have you tried anger management?

i interpret from the posts. you tell bare faced lies as detailed above. the repatriation argument is the con-erstone of the guardian readers' pro eu argument. i simply read between the lines. what is clear from the above is that you have taken offence previously for being challenged on your record of frequent (dis)honesty which is well documented on these threads.

now run along...wouldn't want to make you late for your telling porkys for dummys class
Awww, poor wikkle liar, now trying to change the terms to make it seem like you didn't straight up lie

Perhaps you can say that your comprehension of this thread was as "patchy and possibly unreliable" as your source?

because after things like claiming all the brits in spain are pensioners, or that pensions aren't a benefit, and indeed denying you lied about a dozen times before then trying to change your wording to make it seem like you didn't, there's an excellent claim to be made that your grasp on reality is "patchy and possibly unreliable" at best!
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: only one liar here and that's the distorter. got that clownski?[/p][/quote]So you can point out where people were talking about the EU before you brought it up, let alone "making excuses" for it, liar? Oh wait, you can't, liar. You can't do it, because it doesn't exist, you lied about it, liar! I mean, after your best source said it's data source was "patchy and possibly unreliable" you knew you were sunk anyway, but continuing to lie when the truth is available for everyone to see must sting a bit, eh, liar?[/p][/quote]have you tried anger management? i interpret from the posts. you tell bare faced lies as detailed above. the repatriation argument is the con-erstone of the guardian readers' pro eu argument. i simply read between the lines. what is clear from the above is that you have taken offence previously for being challenged on your record of frequent (dis)honesty which is well documented on these threads. now run along...wouldn't want to make you late for your telling porkys for dummys class[/p][/quote]Awww, poor wikkle liar, now trying to change the terms to make it seem like you didn't straight up lie Perhaps you can say that your comprehension of this thread was as "patchy and possibly unreliable" as your source? because after things like claiming all the brits in spain are pensioners, or that pensions aren't a benefit, and indeed denying you lied about a dozen times before then trying to change your wording to make it seem like you didn't, there's an excellent claim to be made that your grasp on reality is "patchy and possibly unreliable" at best! returnoftheleftie

7:43pm Mon 9 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

Some savlon might help the sting a bit dearie, placebo effect and all. Rub it on your posterior till you forget all about that big mean leftie!
Some savlon might help the sting a bit dearie, placebo effect and all. Rub it on your posterior till you forget all about that big mean leftie! returnoftheleftie

7:51pm Mon 9 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

to the unbiased reader your inability to answer any direct questions re your liberal use of usernames is a clear admission of your guilt. btw why did you junk the v in the vicinity aka vitriol in the community brand?

now you'll also miss your back to back lgbt evening unless you run along now.
to the unbiased reader your inability to answer any direct questions re your liberal use of usernames is a clear admission of your guilt. btw why did you junk the v in the vicinity aka vitriol in the community brand? now you'll also miss your back to back lgbt evening unless you run along now. profondo asbo

7:53pm Mon 9 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

it's a margarine pot theme tonight... wouldn't want you to miss
it's a margarine pot theme tonight... wouldn't want you to miss profondo asbo

8:01pm Mon 9 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

Awww, its almost like you think being associated with LGBT people is somehow a bad thing? You wouldn't be a bigot as well as a liar now, would you?

FYI, I only used this name on this thread, but thanks for showing some paranoia, its that little je nais se quoi your breakdown was missing!

And why do you want me to go? it's almost like you aren't having fun!
Awww, its almost like you think being associated with LGBT people is somehow a bad thing? You wouldn't be a bigot as well as a liar now, would you? FYI, I only used this name on this thread, but thanks for showing some paranoia, its that little je nais se quoi your breakdown was missing! And why do you want me to go? it's almost like you aren't having fun! returnoftheleftie

8:08pm Mon 9 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

let me break it down for you because your pea sized brain is unable to process
v in the vicinity
v is back
black puddin
turbo leftie
return of the leftie

or and somewhere amongst all that trash..shoebury cyclist, lefty cyclist tw@t etc. many of them simultaneous..
let me break it down for you because your pea sized brain is unable to process v in the vicinity v is back black puddin turbo leftie return of the leftie or and somewhere amongst all that trash..shoebury cyclist, lefty cyclist tw@t etc. many of them simultaneous.. profondo asbo

8:11pm Mon 9 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

returnoftheleftie wrote:
Awww, its almost like you think being associated with LGBT people is somehow a bad thing? You wouldn't be a bigot as well as a liar now, would you?

FYI, I only used this name on this thread, but thanks for showing some paranoia, its that little je nais se quoi your breakdown was missing!

And why do you want me to go? it's almost like you aren't having fun!
whatever could have given you that idea. just wouldn't want you to be late as i know how much it means to you.
[quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: Awww, its almost like you think being associated with LGBT people is somehow a bad thing? You wouldn't be a bigot as well as a liar now, would you? FYI, I only used this name on this thread, but thanks for showing some paranoia, its that little je nais se quoi your breakdown was missing! And why do you want me to go? it's almost like you aren't having fun![/p][/quote]whatever could have given you that idea. just wouldn't want you to be late as i know how much it means to you. profondo asbo

8:13pm Mon 9 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

You really are adorable, you know that?

A whole conspiracy! I'm so glad you think so highly of me! And let me guess, the more I deny it, the more convinced you are?

Really, it almost seems like you are angry and frustrated, my little lyin' pumpkin! try the savlon! really!
You really are adorable, you know that? A whole conspiracy! I'm so glad you think so highly of me! And let me guess, the more I deny it, the more convinced you are? Really, it almost seems like you are angry and frustrated, my little lyin' pumpkin! try the savlon! really! returnoftheleftie

8:35pm Mon 9 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
Awww, its almost like you think being associated with LGBT people is somehow a bad thing? You wouldn't be a bigot as well as a liar now, would you?

FYI, I only used this name on this thread, but thanks for showing some paranoia, its that little je nais se quoi your breakdown was missing!

And why do you want me to go? it's almost like you aren't having fun!
whatever could have given you that idea. just wouldn't want you to be late as i know how much it means to you.
Well, you know, telling me to go away, and creating a little mental tale where I am off to hang around with LGBT people like it would be a bad thing, constantly resorting to personal attacks e.t.c, makes me think my second favourite little liar (sorry, you still don't beat kkkim gandy for entertainment value, but you try, I appreciate it!) is a wikkle bit annoyed!
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: Awww, its almost like you think being associated with LGBT people is somehow a bad thing? You wouldn't be a bigot as well as a liar now, would you? FYI, I only used this name on this thread, but thanks for showing some paranoia, its that little je nais se quoi your breakdown was missing! And why do you want me to go? it's almost like you aren't having fun![/p][/quote]whatever could have given you that idea. just wouldn't want you to be late as i know how much it means to you.[/p][/quote]Well, you know, telling me to go away, and creating a little mental tale where I am off to hang around with LGBT people like it would be a bad thing, constantly resorting to personal attacks e.t.c, makes me think my second favourite little liar (sorry, you still don't beat kkkim gandy for entertainment value, but you try, I appreciate it!) is a wikkle bit annoyed! returnoftheleftie

9:14pm Mon 9 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

you have it all wrong (just for a change). the gandage and you are made for each other.
you have it all wrong (just for a change). the gandage and you are made for each other. profondo asbo

10:52pm Mon 9 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

"There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone"

"I can find estimates over 1.2 million, I picked a number roughly in the middle"

then reference the 7y old bbc article showing only 761K of full time residents when part timers are separately identifiable. unable to reference any article with 1.2mio. OVER 1 million is hardly a number in the middle is it. brother can you spare another bare faced lie?
"There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone" "I can find estimates over 1.2 million, I picked a number roughly in the middle" then reference the 7y old bbc article showing only 761K of full time residents when part timers are separately identifiable. unable to reference any article with 1.2mio. OVER 1 million is hardly a number in the middle is it. brother can you spare another bare faced lie? profondo asbo

11:41pm Mon 9 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

profondo asbo wrote:
"There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone"

"I can find estimates over 1.2 million, I picked a number roughly in the middle"

then reference the 7y old bbc article showing only 761K of full time residents when part timers are separately identifiable. unable to reference any article with 1.2mio. OVER 1 million is hardly a number in the middle is it. brother can you spare another bare faced lie?
Did you even check the IPPR, specifically "Global Brit: Making the most of the British diaspora"

Oh wait, no, you didn't. A million is smack dab between 800k and 1.2 million. It's a good study, talks about the difficulty in assessing the true number, given that there are no firm numbers.

What were those other lies? the ones you made up, or the ones you haven't yet made up?
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: "There's over a million brits living full time in Spain alone" "I can find estimates over 1.2 million, I picked a number roughly in the middle" then reference the 7y old bbc article showing only 761K of full time residents when part timers are separately identifiable. unable to reference any article with 1.2mio. OVER 1 million is hardly a number in the middle is it. brother can you spare another bare faced lie?[/p][/quote]Did you even check the IPPR, specifically "Global Brit: Making the most of the British diaspora" Oh wait, no, you didn't. A million is smack dab between 800k and 1.2 million. It's a good study, talks about the difficulty in assessing the true number, given that there are no firm numbers. What were those other lies? the ones you made up, or the ones you haven't yet made up? returnoftheleftie

8:02am Tue 10 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

yes the IPPR that well known communist thinktank. sure it's numbers are worth about as much as yours. what is the square root of jack all btw...?

presumably you saw the wikipedia article referencing the eurostat numbers but chose to ignore it (lies, dammed lies and left wing stats eh) but here it is reproduced for your enjoyment

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Immigration
_to_Spain

don't choke on your gruel
yes the IPPR that well known communist thinktank. sure it's numbers are worth about as much as yours. what is the square root of jack all btw...? presumably you saw the wikipedia article referencing the eurostat numbers but chose to ignore it (lies, dammed lies and left wing stats eh) but here it is reproduced for your enjoyment http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Immigration _to_Spain don't choke on your gruel profondo asbo

8:09am Tue 10 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

if we need hard evidence i'm sure we could collect a saliva sample from jack's posterior and get a direct match.
if we need hard evidence i'm sure we could collect a saliva sample from jack's posterior and get a direct match. profondo asbo

8:50am Tue 10 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

profondo asbo wrote:
yes the IPPR that well known communist thinktank. sure it's numbers are worth about as much as yours. what is the square root of jack all btw...?

presumably you saw the wikipedia article referencing the eurostat numbers but chose to ignore it (lies, dammed lies and left wing stats eh) but here it is reproduced for your enjoyment

http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/Immigration

_to_Spain

don't choke on your gruel
The same eurostat that your source said was "patchy and possibly unreliable"?

Let's click your link, and then click through to http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/British_mig
ration_to_Spain.

"various estimates place the true figure significantly higher, ranging from 700,000 to more than 1,000,000"

whoops a doodle, looks like your own link disagrees with what you wanted to say.... again!
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: yes the IPPR that well known communist thinktank. sure it's numbers are worth about as much as yours. what is the square root of jack all btw...? presumably you saw the wikipedia article referencing the eurostat numbers but chose to ignore it (lies, dammed lies and left wing stats eh) but here it is reproduced for your enjoyment http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Immigration _to_Spain don't choke on your gruel[/p][/quote]The same eurostat that your source said was "patchy and possibly unreliable"? Let's click your link, and then click through to http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/British_mig ration_to_Spain. "various estimates place the true figure significantly higher, ranging from 700,000 to more than 1,000,000" whoops a doodle, looks like your own link disagrees with what you wanted to say.... again! returnoftheleftie

9:07am Tue 10 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
yes the IPPR that well known communist thinktank. sure it's numbers are worth about as much as yours. what is the square root of jack all btw...?

presumably you saw the wikipedia article referencing the eurostat numbers but chose to ignore it (lies, dammed lies and left wing stats eh) but here it is reproduced for your enjoyment

http://en.wikipedia.


org/wiki/Immigration


_to_Spain

don't choke on your gruel
The same eurostat that your source said was "patchy and possibly unreliable"?

Let's click your link, and then click through to http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/British_mig

ration_to_Spain.

"various estimates place the true figure significantly higher, ranging from 700,000 to more than 1,000,000"

whoops a doodle, looks like your own link disagrees with what you wanted to say.... again!
these are spain's official numbers but let's just reference some bs estimate
[quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: yes the IPPR that well known communist thinktank. sure it's numbers are worth about as much as yours. what is the square root of jack all btw...? presumably you saw the wikipedia article referencing the eurostat numbers but chose to ignore it (lies, dammed lies and left wing stats eh) but here it is reproduced for your enjoyment http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Immigration _to_Spain don't choke on your gruel[/p][/quote]The same eurostat that your source said was "patchy and possibly unreliable"? Let's click your link, and then click through to http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/British_mig ration_to_Spain. "various estimates place the true figure significantly higher, ranging from 700,000 to more than 1,000,000" whoops a doodle, looks like your own link disagrees with what you wanted to say.... again![/p][/quote]these are spain's official numbers but let's just reference some bs estimate profondo asbo

9:10am Tue 10 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

oh dear oh dear....let's all hide behind the moderator.
oh dear oh dear....let's all hide behind the moderator. profondo asbo

9:16am Tue 10 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

my next username will have leftie in the title giving me carte blanche to lie through my teeth.
my next username will have leftie in the title giving me carte blanche to lie through my teeth. profondo asbo

9:26am Tue 10 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

profondo asbo wrote:
returnoftheleftie wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
yes the IPPR that well known communist thinktank. sure it's numbers are worth about as much as yours. what is the square root of jack all btw...?

presumably you saw the wikipedia article referencing the eurostat numbers but chose to ignore it (lies, dammed lies and left wing stats eh) but here it is reproduced for your enjoyment

http://en.wikipedia.



org/wiki/Immigration



_to_Spain

don't choke on your gruel
The same eurostat that your source said was "patchy and possibly unreliable"?

Let's click your link, and then click through to http://en.wikipedia.


org/wiki/British_mig


ration_to_Spain.

"various estimates place the true figure significantly higher, ranging from 700,000 to more than 1,000,000"

whoops a doodle, looks like your own link disagrees with what you wanted to say.... again!
these are spain's official numbers but let's just reference some bs estimate
you mean the numbers registered with the local padron, which brits haven't been required to do since 1986 under the freedom to work stuff?

Hence your own source calling them "patchy and possibly unreliable"?

I mean, you need something to distract from you linking to something that doesn't help you again, but darn
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]returnoftheleftie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: yes the IPPR that well known communist thinktank. sure it's numbers are worth about as much as yours. what is the square root of jack all btw...? presumably you saw the wikipedia article referencing the eurostat numbers but chose to ignore it (lies, dammed lies and left wing stats eh) but here it is reproduced for your enjoyment http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Immigration _to_Spain don't choke on your gruel[/p][/quote]The same eurostat that your source said was "patchy and possibly unreliable"? Let's click your link, and then click through to http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/British_mig ration_to_Spain. "various estimates place the true figure significantly higher, ranging from 700,000 to more than 1,000,000" whoops a doodle, looks like your own link disagrees with what you wanted to say.... again![/p][/quote]these are spain's official numbers but let's just reference some bs estimate[/p][/quote]you mean the numbers registered with the local padron, which brits haven't been required to do since 1986 under the freedom to work stuff? Hence your own source calling them "patchy and possibly unreliable"? I mean, you need something to distract from you linking to something that doesn't help you again, but darn returnoftheleftie

2:32pm Tue 10 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

these are spain's official numbers but let's just reference some bs estimate instead.
these are spain's official numbers but let's just reference some bs estimate instead. profondo asbo

5:25pm Tue 10 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

profondo asbo wrote:
these are spain's official numbers but let's just reference some bs estimate instead.
Spain's official numbers, for the brits that registered with the local padron, which they haven't had to do since 1986, when working relations with Spain were normalised under freedom to work.

Which is why even migrationwatch call the statistics, "patchy and possibly unreliable".

You kept having this pointed out, but hey, when it's all you have left, who can blame you- and frankly it's better than you displaying your strange obsession with a lesbians rear end, your theories as to my leisuretime entertainment, or where my tongue is :)

Though some variety would be nice- maybe claim all the brits in spain are pensioners, or how pensions aren't a benefit again?

Hope you are keeping well, just exercising my voice with a few rousing verses of the internationale over here!
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: these are spain's official numbers but let's just reference some bs estimate instead.[/p][/quote]Spain's official numbers, for the brits that registered with the local padron, which they haven't had to do since 1986, when working relations with Spain were normalised under freedom to work. Which is why even migrationwatch call the statistics, "patchy and possibly unreliable". You kept having this pointed out, but hey, when it's all you have left, who can blame you- and frankly it's better than you displaying your strange obsession with a lesbians rear end, your theories as to my leisuretime entertainment, or where my tongue is :) Though some variety would be nice- maybe claim all the brits in spain are pensioners, or how pensions aren't a benefit again? Hope you are keeping well, just exercising my voice with a few rousing verses of the internationale over here! returnoftheleftie

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