Legal bid launched to tackle 1,000 boy racer rally

A LEGAL bid is being launched to stop more than 1,000 boy racers descending on Southend.

Southend Council is seeking an injunction to prevent the cruisers attending a rally planned for Marine Parade, Southend, on February 9.

It will seek the civil order at Southend County Court this week to put a stop to the event billed as the “Southend Takeover.”

Sgt Ian Hughes, of Southend police, said: “Essex Police are working closely with Southend Council in order to obtain an injunction preventing the cruise going ahead.

“Police have a number of resources on standby on the day to address the potential volume of vehicles coming to Southend on February 9 if the injunction is successful or not.”

Southend Council’s Chief Executive, Rob Tinlin said: “We are currently in discussions with Essex Police and exploring all options -  including the possibility of seeking an injunction, to tackle the issue of an unauthorised large scale cruiser event anticipated to take place in Southend.”

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10:18am Tue 5 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

Why are they called 'boy racers' What are the reasons for not wanting them in Southend
Why are they called 'boy racers' What are the reasons for not wanting them in Southend stopmoaning1
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10:21am Tue 5 Feb 13

Alekhine says...

SC don't want to share the shared space.
SC don't want to share the shared space. Alekhine
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10:49am Tue 5 Feb 13

Peter245 says...

Whats the difference between an organised event of 1000 vehicle enthuiasts and an unorganised event like a nice day of sun in the middle of summer. what happened to it being a free country? SC can't and won't stop us travelling to wherever we want to go. Its an event where everyone shares the same interest and I doubt very much there will be any violence. Plus, its a chance for SC to get the traffic wardens out for the few that will most likely park illegally, plus its an opportunity for the police to catch some who may be un-insured or have defects on their vehicle. SC seems lately to be making sure nobody comes to the town!

 
Whats the difference between an organised event of 1000 vehicle enthuiasts and an unorganised event like a nice day of sun in the middle of summer. what happened to it being a free country? SC can't and won't stop us travelling to wherever we want to go. Its an event where everyone shares the same interest and I doubt very much there will be any violence. Plus, its a chance for SC to get the traffic wardens out for the few that will most likely park illegally, plus its an opportunity for the police to catch some who may be un-insured or have defects on their vehicle. SC seems lately to be making sure nobody comes to the town!   Peter245
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10:52am Tue 5 Feb 13

Peter245 says...

and my mention of violence is only because I cant see any other reason the council wouldnt allow this to happen, and on a further note, Why BOY racers? We are not all 17 years old driving tin cans, some of us are educated older men and women, who's hobby is in vehicles one way or another
and my mention of violence is only because I cant see any other reason the council wouldnt allow this to happen, and on a further note, Why BOY racers? We are not all 17 years old driving tin cans, some of us are educated older men and women, who's hobby is in vehicles one way or another Peter245
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11:04am Tue 5 Feb 13

apapa palm says...

Utter nonsense !!! will they get an injunction to stop the bulgars and romas in ? i doubt it.
Utter nonsense !!! will they get an injunction to stop the bulgars and romas in ? i doubt it. apapa palm
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11:14am Tue 5 Feb 13

Noteworthy says...

Peter245 wrote:
and my mention of violence is only because I cant see any other reason the council wouldnt allow this to happen, and on a further note, Why BOY racers? We are not all 17 years old driving tin cans, some of us are educated older men and women, who's hobby is in vehicles one way or another
Agreed! The cafes and arcades on the seafront often do a great trade during these events - All that is needed is for the police to be present.

Yes you get idiots, but for every one, there are about 100 who actually come out to enjoy themselves legally.

As for the tag boy Racer - it's something the Echo loves to use rather than car enthusiast.

So let me put this to the Echo - I'm organising a modified car 'cruise' to Monaco from Southend in the summer. A large number of cars will be LEGALLY driving to Monaco (apart from the ferry crossing at Dover to Calais obviously) and it is all in aid of charity. Drivers will be sponsored and we plan to collect money in both Southend, and on the way.

We so far have a number of modified cars. We are not all 'boy racers' - would you like to cover the event? Or will it tarnish your continued bashing?
[quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: and my mention of violence is only because I cant see any other reason the council wouldnt allow this to happen, and on a further note, Why BOY racers? We are not all 17 years old driving tin cans, some of us are educated older men and women, who's hobby is in vehicles one way or another[/p][/quote]Agreed! The cafes and arcades on the seafront often do a great trade during these events - All that is needed is for the police to be present. Yes you get idiots, but for every one, there are about 100 who actually come out to enjoy themselves legally. As for the tag boy Racer - it's something the Echo loves to use rather than car enthusiast. So let me put this to the Echo - I'm organising a modified car 'cruise' to Monaco from Southend in the summer. A large number of cars will be LEGALLY driving to Monaco (apart from the ferry crossing at Dover to Calais obviously) and it is all in aid of charity. Drivers will be sponsored and we plan to collect money in both Southend, and on the way. We so far have a number of modified cars. We are not all 'boy racers' - would you like to cover the event? Or will it tarnish your continued bashing? Noteworthy
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11:27am Tue 5 Feb 13

MISSZC says...

I'm confused....??? Do they do this for the Bank Holiday Motorbike Event? No. Do they do this for the Black Cabs event? No. Can't understand why it's such a problem as local businesses benefit from these events.

FYI it's not just 'BOY' racers, they are actually a fraction of the people that attend these events. It's more car enthusiasts and beleive it or not women and families that attend!

SC should embrace it, maybe the few problems there are (no more than at SC approved events) could be prevented by coorperation from local authorities. Just a thought!

From a 'GIRL' car enthusiast.
I'm confused....??? Do they do this for the Bank Holiday Motorbike Event? No. Do they do this for the Black Cabs event? No. Can't understand why it's such a problem as local businesses benefit from these events. FYI it's not just 'BOY' racers, they are actually a fraction of the people that attend these events. It's more car enthusiasts and beleive it or not women and families that attend! SC should embrace it, maybe the few problems there are (no more than at SC approved events) could be prevented by coorperation from local authorities. Just a thought! From a 'GIRL' car enthusiast. MISSZC
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11:31am Tue 5 Feb 13

Soouthchurch59 says...

Instead of running to the courts seeking injunctions; perhaps SBC should be *promoting* these (and other) kinds of event!
Instead of running to the courts seeking injunctions; perhaps SBC should be *promoting* these (and other) kinds of event! Soouthchurch59
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11:39am Tue 5 Feb 13

notinwestcliffanymore says...

Soouthchurch59 wrote:
Instead of running to the courts seeking injunctions; perhaps SBC should be *promoting* these (and other) kinds of event!
Quite right southend needs to attract as many visitors as possible, Especially
on a crappy febuary night ,, hardly going to incovience the tourists is it.
[quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: Instead of running to the courts seeking injunctions; perhaps SBC should be *promoting* these (and other) kinds of event![/p][/quote]Quite right southend needs to attract as many visitors as possible, Especially on a crappy febuary night ,, hardly going to incovience the tourists is it. notinwestcliffanymore
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11:46am Tue 5 Feb 13

andy:) says...

So no a single comment supporting SBC.

I too, find this very worrying, an injunction to ban unspecified persons for an unspecified reason, Big Brother anyone ?

I agree with the post above, what is the difference between this and other organised rallies such as cabbies and bikers, both of which have support and are widely featured in the Echo, etc.

What exactly are the reasons for the injunction, I see mention of noise and overcrowding..but that sums up the seafront most weekends, especially in the summer months, surely SBC should be attracting people to the town, not threatening them with legal action, after the collapse of the airshow, does SNC want Southend to become a ghost town with no visiters ?

Southend seafront has always been the place to meet and show off your car since I was a small kid, yes, clearly there were some incidents of idiots speeding, but the redesign of the Seafront has pretty much done away with this risk.

Shame on you SBC, lets hope people are taking note of all your failures and the same Tories are not voted in again.

Andy
So no a single comment supporting SBC. I too, find this very worrying, an injunction to ban unspecified persons for an unspecified reason, Big Brother anyone ? I agree with the post above, what is the difference between this and other organised rallies such as cabbies and bikers, both of which have support and are widely featured in the Echo, etc. What exactly are the reasons for the injunction, I see mention of noise and overcrowding..but that sums up the seafront most weekends, especially in the summer months, surely SBC should be attracting people to the town, not threatening them with legal action, after the collapse of the airshow, does SNC want Southend to become a ghost town with no visiters ? Southend seafront has always been the place to meet and show off your car since I was a small kid, yes, clearly there were some incidents of idiots speeding, but the redesign of the Seafront has pretty much done away with this risk. Shame on you SBC, lets hope people are taking note of all your failures and the same Tories are not voted in again. Andy andy:)
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11:56am Tue 5 Feb 13

Noteworthy says...

andy:) wrote:
So no a single comment supporting SBC. I too, find this very worrying, an injunction to ban unspecified persons for an unspecified reason, Big Brother anyone ? I agree with the post above, what is the difference between this and other organised rallies such as cabbies and bikers, both of which have support and are widely featured in the Echo, etc. What exactly are the reasons for the injunction, I see mention of noise and overcrowding..but that sums up the seafront most weekends, especially in the summer months, surely SBC should be attracting people to the town, not threatening them with legal action, after the collapse of the airshow, does SNC want Southend to become a ghost town with no visiters ? Southend seafront has always been the place to meet and show off your car since I was a small kid, yes, clearly there were some incidents of idiots speeding, but the redesign of the Seafront has pretty much done away with this risk. Shame on you SBC, lets hope people are taking note of all your failures and the same Tories are not voted in again. Andy
You will get those who do the burnouts outside the casino etc. But the last time there was a massive meet like this, the police drove up and down, and a couple of officers just stood there, soon stopped!

Like I said, the odd idiot, but 99.9% of people who go are responsible.

And agree, why do other events get welcomed?
[quote][p][bold]andy:)[/bold] wrote: So no a single comment supporting SBC. I too, find this very worrying, an injunction to ban unspecified persons for an unspecified reason, Big Brother anyone ? I agree with the post above, what is the difference between this and other organised rallies such as cabbies and bikers, both of which have support and are widely featured in the Echo, etc. What exactly are the reasons for the injunction, I see mention of noise and overcrowding..but that sums up the seafront most weekends, especially in the summer months, surely SBC should be attracting people to the town, not threatening them with legal action, after the collapse of the airshow, does SNC want Southend to become a ghost town with no visiters ? Southend seafront has always been the place to meet and show off your car since I was a small kid, yes, clearly there were some incidents of idiots speeding, but the redesign of the Seafront has pretty much done away with this risk. Shame on you SBC, lets hope people are taking note of all your failures and the same Tories are not voted in again. Andy[/p][/quote]You will get those who do the burnouts outside the casino etc. But the last time there was a massive meet like this, the police drove up and down, and a couple of officers just stood there, soon stopped! Like I said, the odd idiot, but 99.9% of people who go are responsible. And agree, why do other events get welcomed? Noteworthy
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12:02pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Cosmo Spring says...

Noteworthy wrote:
andy:) wrote:
So no a single comment supporting SBC. I too, find this very worrying, an injunction to ban unspecified persons for an unspecified reason, Big Brother anyone ? I agree with the post above, what is the difference between this and other organised rallies such as cabbies and bikers, both of which have support and are widely featured in the Echo, etc. What exactly are the reasons for the injunction, I see mention of noise and overcrowding..but that sums up the seafront most weekends, especially in the summer months, surely SBC should be attracting people to the town, not threatening them with legal action, after the collapse of the airshow, does SNC want Southend to become a ghost town with no visiters ? Southend seafront has always been the place to meet and show off your car since I was a small kid, yes, clearly there were some incidents of idiots speeding, but the redesign of the Seafront has pretty much done away with this risk. Shame on you SBC, lets hope people are taking note of all your failures and the same Tories are not voted in again. Andy
You will get those who do the burnouts outside the casino etc. But the last time there was a massive meet like this, the police drove up and down, and a couple of officers just stood there, soon stopped!

Like I said, the odd idiot, but 99.9% of people who go are responsible.

And agree, why do other events get welcomed?
is it because the bikers and cabbies are doing it for charity do you think?

I'm all for the car enthusiasts having an event in Southend for all the good reasons already stated.
[quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andy:)[/bold] wrote: So no a single comment supporting SBC. I too, find this very worrying, an injunction to ban unspecified persons for an unspecified reason, Big Brother anyone ? I agree with the post above, what is the difference between this and other organised rallies such as cabbies and bikers, both of which have support and are widely featured in the Echo, etc. What exactly are the reasons for the injunction, I see mention of noise and overcrowding..but that sums up the seafront most weekends, especially in the summer months, surely SBC should be attracting people to the town, not threatening them with legal action, after the collapse of the airshow, does SNC want Southend to become a ghost town with no visiters ? Southend seafront has always been the place to meet and show off your car since I was a small kid, yes, clearly there were some incidents of idiots speeding, but the redesign of the Seafront has pretty much done away with this risk. Shame on you SBC, lets hope people are taking note of all your failures and the same Tories are not voted in again. Andy[/p][/quote]You will get those who do the burnouts outside the casino etc. But the last time there was a massive meet like this, the police drove up and down, and a couple of officers just stood there, soon stopped! Like I said, the odd idiot, but 99.9% of people who go are responsible. And agree, why do other events get welcomed?[/p][/quote]is it because the bikers and cabbies are doing it for charity do you think? I'm all for the car enthusiasts having an event in Southend for all the good reasons already stated. Cosmo Spring
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12:06pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Peter245 wrote:
and my mention of violence is only because I cant see any other reason the council wouldnt allow this to happen, and on a further note, Why BOY racers? We are not all 17 years old driving tin cans, some of us are educated older men and women, who's hobby is in vehicles one way or another
Shame you don't know the rules regarding illegal parking then. The last time this lot turned up they were parked dangerously all over Western Esplanade.
[quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: and my mention of violence is only because I cant see any other reason the council wouldnt allow this to happen, and on a further note, Why BOY racers? We are not all 17 years old driving tin cans, some of us are educated older men and women, who's hobby is in vehicles one way or another[/p][/quote]Shame you don't know the rules regarding illegal parking then. The last time this lot turned up they were parked dangerously all over Western Esplanade. Shoebury_Cyclist
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12:16pm Tue 5 Feb 13

JuliaM says...

MISSZC wrote:
I'm confused....??? Do they do this for the Bank Holiday Motorbike Event? No. Do they do this for the Black Cabs event? No. Can't understand why it's such a problem as local businesses benefit from these events. FYI it's not just 'BOY' racers, they are actually a fraction of the people that attend these events. It's more car enthusiasts and beleive it or not women and families that attend! SC should embrace it, maybe the few problems there are (no more than at SC approved events) could be prevented by coorperation from local authorities. Just a thought! From a 'GIRL' car enthusiast.
Spot on!
[quote][p][bold]MISSZC[/bold] wrote: I'm confused....??? Do they do this for the Bank Holiday Motorbike Event? No. Do they do this for the Black Cabs event? No. Can't understand why it's such a problem as local businesses benefit from these events. FYI it's not just 'BOY' racers, they are actually a fraction of the people that attend these events. It's more car enthusiasts and beleive it or not women and families that attend! SC should embrace it, maybe the few problems there are (no more than at SC approved events) could be prevented by coorperation from local authorities. Just a thought! From a 'GIRL' car enthusiast.[/p][/quote]Spot on! JuliaM
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12:19pm Tue 5 Feb 13

mys842 says...

I support keeping them away, if only in the interests of allowing free-flowing traffic. Why whould Southend residents have to avoid driving along the seafront to their homes or into town because they feel intimidated by a load of people revving their engines. Talk to anyone from outside Essex and the association of Southend and boy racers is overwhelming. In no way is this association seen as positive!
I support keeping them away, if only in the interests of allowing free-flowing traffic. Why whould Southend residents have to avoid driving along the seafront to their homes or into town because they feel intimidated by a load of people revving their engines. Talk to anyone from outside Essex and the association of Southend and boy racers is overwhelming. In no way is this association seen as positive! mys842
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12:31pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Peter245 says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
and my mention of violence is only because I cant see any other reason the council wouldnt allow this to happen, and on a further note, Why BOY racers? We are not all 17 years old driving tin cans, some of us are educated older men and women, who's hobby is in vehicles one way or another
Shame you don't know the rules regarding illegal parking then. The last time this lot turned up they were parked dangerously all over Western Esplanade.
Then they should be heavily fined and/or towed. I'm against dangerous/illegally parked cars just as you are, but I dont think an event should be stopped because the council don't like it
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: and my mention of violence is only because I cant see any other reason the council wouldnt allow this to happen, and on a further note, Why BOY racers? We are not all 17 years old driving tin cans, some of us are educated older men and women, who's hobby is in vehicles one way or another[/p][/quote]Shame you don't know the rules regarding illegal parking then. The last time this lot turned up they were parked dangerously all over Western Esplanade.[/p][/quote]Then they should be heavily fined and/or towed. I'm against dangerous/illegally parked cars just as you are, but I dont think an event should be stopped because the council don't like it Peter245
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12:36pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Peter245 says...

mys842 wrote:
I support keeping them away, if only in the interests of allowing free-flowing traffic. Why whould Southend residents have to avoid driving along the seafront to their homes or into town because they feel intimidated by a load of people revving their engines. Talk to anyone from outside Essex and the association of Southend and boy racers is overwhelming. In no way is this association seen as positive!
There are only a few that ruin social events for the rest, but if the council spent the time and money on policing this event rather than wasting time trying to stop it, then all would be fine. I'm sure you have a hobby/interest, and if you were told you wasn't allowed to ENJOY your hobby with others, then you would be annoyed.
[quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: I support keeping them away, if only in the interests of allowing free-flowing traffic. Why whould Southend residents have to avoid driving along the seafront to their homes or into town because they feel intimidated by a load of people revving their engines. Talk to anyone from outside Essex and the association of Southend and boy racers is overwhelming. In no way is this association seen as positive![/p][/quote]There are only a few that ruin social events for the rest, but if the council spent the time and money on policing this event rather than wasting time trying to stop it, then all would be fine. I'm sure you have a hobby/interest, and if you were told you wasn't allowed to ENJOY your hobby with others, then you would be annoyed. Peter245
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12:57pm Tue 5 Feb 13

notinwestcliffanymore says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote: and my mention of violence is only because I cant see any other reason the council wouldnt allow this to happen, and on a further note, Why BOY racers? We are not all 17 years old driving tin cans, some of us are educated older men and women, who's hobby is in vehicles one way or another
Shame you don't know the rules regarding illegal parking then. The last time this lot turned up they were parked dangerously all over Western Esplanade.
A POST ALMOST IN SUPPORT OF THE COUNCIL,, OH YEAH IT S ANTI CAR.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: and my mention of violence is only because I cant see any other reason the council wouldnt allow this to happen, and on a further note, Why BOY racers? We are not all 17 years old driving tin cans, some of us are educated older men and women, who's hobby is in vehicles one way or another[/p][/quote]Shame you don't know the rules regarding illegal parking then. The last time this lot turned up they were parked dangerously all over Western Esplanade.[/p][/quote]A POST ALMOST IN SUPPORT OF THE COUNCIL,, OH YEAH IT S ANTI CAR. notinwestcliffanymore
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1:06pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

notinwestcliffanymor
e
wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote: and my mention of violence is only because I cant see any other reason the council wouldnt allow this to happen, and on a further note, Why BOY racers? We are not all 17 years old driving tin cans, some of us are educated older men and women, who's hobby is in vehicles one way or another
Shame you don't know the rules regarding illegal parking then. The last time this lot turned up they were parked dangerously all over Western Esplanade.
A POST ALMOST IN SUPPORT OF THE COUNCIL,, OH YEAH IT S ANTI CAR.
No, not anti-car. Anti-selfish morons who don't give a **** about the safety of other road users. I have no problem at all with safe, considerate drivers, who obey the law.

The last time these people turned up the Western Esplanade cycle lane was filled with pig ignorant morons and their four-wheeled penis substitutes. That cycle lane is a two-way lane, there was nowhere for cyclists to ride safely along the seafront from Chalkwell to the pier.

See it for yourself:

http://youtu.be/UM81
di0u7DU
[quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: and my mention of violence is only because I cant see any other reason the council wouldnt allow this to happen, and on a further note, Why BOY racers? We are not all 17 years old driving tin cans, some of us are educated older men and women, who's hobby is in vehicles one way or another[/p][/quote]Shame you don't know the rules regarding illegal parking then. The last time this lot turned up they were parked dangerously all over Western Esplanade.[/p][/quote]A POST ALMOST IN SUPPORT OF THE COUNCIL,, OH YEAH IT S ANTI CAR.[/p][/quote]No, not anti-car. Anti-selfish morons who don't give a **** about the safety of other road users. I have no problem at all with safe, considerate drivers, who obey the law. The last time these people turned up the Western Esplanade cycle lane was filled with pig ignorant morons and their four-wheeled penis substitutes. That cycle lane is a two-way lane, there was nowhere for cyclists to ride safely along the seafront from Chalkwell to the pier. See it for yourself: http://youtu.be/UM81 di0u7DU Shoebury_Cyclist
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1:07pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Firestormgjc says...

Firstly the comparisons with the shakedown are off the mark,
The Shakedown is an organised Charity event which takes place during the day with crowds coming down to look at the bikes and large sums of money are raised for Charity.
This is an evening event whose promotion poster is encouraging Gridlock, which will not bring anything to the town, the cafes etc will be shut as its a winters evening, there will be now crowds coming down to see it (mainly as its being organised amongst the cruisers and not widely advertised) and it is not a charity event.

So , legally, it is an unauthourised large gathering of a couple of thousand people and as such the council have every right to seek an injunction, just as much as if it were that many people expected for a political rally.

I am not suggesting in any way that these people should be denied the right to have their meetings , but the easist way to do these things is to organise them within the constraints of local bylaws / legal issues and go through the correct channels.
Unfortunately it would appear that the level of "organisation" has been picking a time and a place and letting people now .

If , this is not the case, I stand corrected, and I would suggest that all it would take to placate the council would be a copy of the organisers public liability insurance certificate
Firstly the comparisons with the shakedown are off the mark, The Shakedown is an organised Charity event which takes place during the day with crowds coming down to look at the bikes and large sums of money are raised for Charity. This is an evening event whose promotion poster is encouraging Gridlock, which will not bring anything to the town, the cafes etc will be shut as its a winters evening, there will be now crowds coming down to see it (mainly as its being organised amongst the cruisers and not widely advertised) and it is not a charity event. So , legally, it is an unauthourised large gathering of a couple of thousand people and as such the council have every right to seek an injunction, just as much as if it were that many people expected for a political rally. I am not suggesting in any way that these people should be denied the right to have their meetings , but the easist way to do these things is to organise them within the constraints of local bylaws / legal issues and go through the correct channels. Unfortunately it would appear that the level of "organisation" has been picking a time and a place and letting people now . If , this is not the case, I stand corrected, and I would suggest that all it would take to placate the council would be a copy of the organisers public liability insurance certificate Firestormgjc
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1:08pm Tue 5 Feb 13

notinwestcliffanymore says...

Yet again our council loses out to our rivals namely brighton, they keep the brighton festival we lose the airshow, they have a pier worth a visit we have a cultral center, they have the speed festival we have an injunction banning people from coming here. I think it is time the council look to new ideas maybe an all expenses junket is called for.
Yet again our council loses out to our rivals namely brighton, they keep the brighton festival we lose the airshow, they have a pier worth a visit we have a cultral center, they have the speed festival we have an injunction banning people from coming here. I think it is time the council look to new ideas maybe an all expenses junket is called for. notinwestcliffanymore
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1:13pm Tue 5 Feb 13

notinwestcliffanymore says...

Shoebury_Cyclist says... See it for yourself:

http://youtu.be/UM81

di0u7DU
No i dont care, i m an occasional cyclist and managed just fine before the cycle lane, you could always just stay in that nght or maybe walk through the event, or is YOUR RIGHT as you see it.
Shoebury_Cyclist says... See it for yourself: http://youtu.be/UM81 di0u7DU No i dont care, i m an occasional cyclist and managed just fine before the cycle lane, you could always just stay in that nght or maybe walk through the event, or is YOUR RIGHT as you see it. notinwestcliffanymore
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1:14pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

notinwestcliffanymor
e
wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist says... See it for yourself:

http://youtu.be/UM81


di0u7DU
No i dont care, i m an occasional cyclist and managed just fine before the cycle lane, you could always just stay in that nght or maybe walk through the event, or is YOUR RIGHT as you see it.
You don't care that people flouted the law and put other people's lives at risk?

Nice.
[quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist says... See it for yourself: http://youtu.be/UM81 di0u7DU No i dont care, i m an occasional cyclist and managed just fine before the cycle lane, you could always just stay in that nght or maybe walk through the event, or is YOUR RIGHT as you see it.[/p][/quote]You don't care that people flouted the law and put other people's lives at risk? Nice. Shoebury_Cyclist
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1:16pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Firestormgjc says...

Peter245 wrote:
mys842 wrote: I support keeping them away, if only in the interests of allowing free-flowing traffic. Why whould Southend residents have to avoid driving along the seafront to their homes or into town because they feel intimidated by a load of people revving their engines. Talk to anyone from outside Essex and the association of Southend and boy racers is overwhelming. In no way is this association seen as positive!
There are only a few that ruin social events for the rest, but if the council spent the time and money on policing this event rather than wasting time trying to stop it, then all would be fine. I'm sure you have a hobby/interest, and if you were told you wasn't allowed to ENJOY your hobby with others, then you would be annoyed.
Unfortunately the council has had to make draconian budget cuts recently, It may be a better suggestion that the organisers of the event pay for their own policing.
Put an application to hold an event through the correct channels , let the council know that it will of no cost to them , what it could bring to the town, Estimated vistor numbers etc and I am sure it will be taken seriously.
Throw in the added sweetner of a Charity fund raiser and it may even be welcomed .

Lack of focus and organisation will lead it to appear (whatever the real situation is) as a poorly organised rabble with little regard for anyone else barring themselves and its this impression which promotes the more angry "Anti Car" posts we are starting to see
[quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: I support keeping them away, if only in the interests of allowing free-flowing traffic. Why whould Southend residents have to avoid driving along the seafront to their homes or into town because they feel intimidated by a load of people revving their engines. Talk to anyone from outside Essex and the association of Southend and boy racers is overwhelming. In no way is this association seen as positive![/p][/quote]There are only a few that ruin social events for the rest, but if the council spent the time and money on policing this event rather than wasting time trying to stop it, then all would be fine. I'm sure you have a hobby/interest, and if you were told you wasn't allowed to ENJOY your hobby with others, then you would be annoyed.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately the council has had to make draconian budget cuts recently, It may be a better suggestion that the organisers of the event pay for their own policing. Put an application to hold an event through the correct channels , let the council know that it will of no cost to them , what it could bring to the town, Estimated vistor numbers etc and I am sure it will be taken seriously. Throw in the added sweetner of a Charity fund raiser and it may even be welcomed . Lack of focus and organisation will lead it to appear (whatever the real situation is) as a poorly organised rabble with little regard for anyone else barring themselves and its this impression which promotes the more angry "Anti Car" posts we are starting to see Firestormgjc
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1:30pm Tue 5 Feb 13

mikepaterson says...

This should be embraced and supported by the council. It could be easily policed and made into an event.

Not sure why the first thought is to stop it ......
This should be embraced and supported by the council. It could be easily policed and made into an event. Not sure why the first thought is to stop it ...... mikepaterson
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1:31pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Firestormgjc says...

Seen this on a forum from a couple of days ago

>>just read this on facebook

just to clear things up..... the southend meet is still going ahead, the organisers were told they could end up in court if they didnt cancel the fb event but everyone is still going.. by posting its canceled on fb if everyone still turns up then its not the original organisers problem

im still on going!!
Seen this on a forum from a couple of days ago >>just read this on facebook just to clear things up..... the southend meet is still going ahead, the organisers were told they could end up in court if they didnt cancel the fb event but everyone is still going.. by posting its canceled on fb if everyone still turns up then its not the original organisers problem im still on going!! Firestormgjc
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1:32pm Tue 5 Feb 13

notinwestcliffanymore says...

notinwestcliffanymor
e
wrote:
Yet again our council loses out to our rivals namely brighton, they keep the brighton festival we lose the airshow, they have a pier worth a visit we have a cultral center, they have the speed festival we have an injunction banning people from coming here. I think it is time the council look to new ideas maybe an all expenses junket is called for.
Oh yeah brighton has a nice new council backed football stadium we have roots hall and some fancy drawings.
[quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: Yet again our council loses out to our rivals namely brighton, they keep the brighton festival we lose the airshow, they have a pier worth a visit we have a cultral center, they have the speed festival we have an injunction banning people from coming here. I think it is time the council look to new ideas maybe an all expenses junket is called for.[/p][/quote]Oh yeah brighton has a nice new council backed football stadium we have roots hall and some fancy drawings. notinwestcliffanymore
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1:35pm Tue 5 Feb 13

notinwestcliffanymore says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
notinwestcliffanymor e wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist says... See it for yourself: http://youtu.be/UM81 di0u7DU No i dont care, i m an occasional cyclist and managed just fine before the cycle lane, you could always just stay in that nght or maybe walk through the event, or is YOUR RIGHT as you see it.
You don't care that people flouted the law and put other people's lives at risk? Nice.
i m not so daft as to leave my safety in the hands of the council or anyone else i take my own resposibility, like in the good ol days
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist says... See it for yourself: http://youtu.be/UM81 di0u7DU No i dont care, i m an occasional cyclist and managed just fine before the cycle lane, you could always just stay in that nght or maybe walk through the event, or is YOUR RIGHT as you see it.[/p][/quote]You don't care that people flouted the law and put other people's lives at risk? Nice.[/p][/quote]i m not so daft as to leave my safety in the hands of the council or anyone else i take my own resposibility, like in the good ol days notinwestcliffanymore
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1:39pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

notinwestcliffanymor
e
wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
notinwestcliffanymor e wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist says... See it for yourself: http://youtu.be/UM81 di0u7DU No i dont care, i m an occasional cyclist and managed just fine before the cycle lane, you could always just stay in that nght or maybe walk through the event, or is YOUR RIGHT as you see it.
You don't care that people flouted the law and put other people's lives at risk? Nice.
i m not so daft as to leave my safety in the hands of the council or anyone else i take my own resposibility, like in the good ol days
I saw families forced off the cycle lane onto the pavement, that put pedestrians at risk. I saw two inexperienced cyclists actually forced int the road and ride against the direction of traffic.

Peoples lives were put at risk by the selfish actions of these morons in their motorised penis substitutes.

The police should prosecute every one of those illegally parked morons.
[quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist says... See it for yourself: http://youtu.be/UM81 di0u7DU No i dont care, i m an occasional cyclist and managed just fine before the cycle lane, you could always just stay in that nght or maybe walk through the event, or is YOUR RIGHT as you see it.[/p][/quote]You don't care that people flouted the law and put other people's lives at risk? Nice.[/p][/quote]i m not so daft as to leave my safety in the hands of the council or anyone else i take my own resposibility, like in the good ol days[/p][/quote]I saw families forced off the cycle lane onto the pavement, that put pedestrians at risk. I saw two inexperienced cyclists actually forced int the road and ride against the direction of traffic. Peoples lives were put at risk by the selfish actions of these morons in their motorised penis substitutes. The police should prosecute every one of those illegally parked morons. Shoebury_Cyclist
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1:57pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Peter245 says...

Firestormgjc wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
mys842 wrote: I support keeping them away, if only in the interests of allowing free-flowing traffic. Why whould Southend residents have to avoid driving along the seafront to their homes or into town because they feel intimidated by a load of people revving their engines. Talk to anyone from outside Essex and the association of Southend and boy racers is overwhelming. In no way is this association seen as positive!
There are only a few that ruin social events for the rest, but if the council spent the time and money on policing this event rather than wasting time trying to stop it, then all would be fine. I'm sure you have a hobby/interest, and if you were told you wasn't allowed to ENJOY your hobby with others, then you would be annoyed.
Unfortunately the council has had to make draconian budget cuts recently, It may be a better suggestion that the organisers of the event pay for their own policing.
Put an application to hold an event through the correct channels , let the council know that it will of no cost to them , what it could bring to the town, Estimated vistor numbers etc and I am sure it will be taken seriously.
Throw in the added sweetner of a Charity fund raiser and it may even be welcomed .

Lack of focus and organisation will lead it to appear (whatever the real situation is) as a poorly organised rabble with little regard for anyone else barring themselves and its this impression which promotes the more angry "Anti Car" posts we are starting to see
I agree that the organisers and people attending should have volunteers to clean up any rubbish that is left behind, I would happily do it, but as for policing, It doesn't need policing, however, EVERY PERSON attending will pay tax, which pays for policing, and is one of our rights as residents of this country.

Shoeburycyclist... I agree that anyone that parks illegally should be made to pay a fine or have their car recovered.

The council are pushing everyone away from the town, not just this event, but as has been said earlier, its soon to be a ghost town.

Its unbelieveable that some residents of southend, and the council are begrudging us 1 night. Recently the echo reported the racers on canvey blighting the lives of local residents with music and revving engines, but this is an event, not a night out for the local riff-raff.

This event is bringing in people from kent, suffolk and the midlands, if its one way to promote the town, then surely it would be for the younger people without families, and with disposable income, that are guarenteed to return, for a long weekend, summer visit or just a night out. PROMOTION and Repeat custom is the best way for the council to boost the town, not injunctions!
[quote][p][bold]Firestormgjc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: I support keeping them away, if only in the interests of allowing free-flowing traffic. Why whould Southend residents have to avoid driving along the seafront to their homes or into town because they feel intimidated by a load of people revving their engines. Talk to anyone from outside Essex and the association of Southend and boy racers is overwhelming. In no way is this association seen as positive![/p][/quote]There are only a few that ruin social events for the rest, but if the council spent the time and money on policing this event rather than wasting time trying to stop it, then all would be fine. I'm sure you have a hobby/interest, and if you were told you wasn't allowed to ENJOY your hobby with others, then you would be annoyed.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately the council has had to make draconian budget cuts recently, It may be a better suggestion that the organisers of the event pay for their own policing. Put an application to hold an event through the correct channels , let the council know that it will of no cost to them , what it could bring to the town, Estimated vistor numbers etc and I am sure it will be taken seriously. Throw in the added sweetner of a Charity fund raiser and it may even be welcomed . Lack of focus and organisation will lead it to appear (whatever the real situation is) as a poorly organised rabble with little regard for anyone else barring themselves and its this impression which promotes the more angry "Anti Car" posts we are starting to see[/p][/quote]I agree that the organisers and people attending should have volunteers to clean up any rubbish that is left behind, I would happily do it, but as for policing, It doesn't need policing, however, EVERY PERSON attending will pay tax, which pays for policing, and is one of our rights as residents of this country. Shoeburycyclist... I agree that anyone that parks illegally should be made to pay a fine or have their car recovered. The council are pushing everyone away from the town, not just this event, but as has been said earlier, its soon to be a ghost town. Its unbelieveable that some residents of southend, and the council are begrudging us 1 night. Recently the echo reported the racers on canvey blighting the lives of local residents with music and revving engines, but this is an event, not a night out for the local riff-raff. This event is bringing in people from kent, suffolk and the midlands, if its one way to promote the town, then surely it would be for the younger people without families, and with disposable income, that are guarenteed to return, for a long weekend, summer visit or just a night out. PROMOTION and Repeat custom is the best way for the council to boost the town, not injunctions! Peter245
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2:05pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Noteworthy says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
notinwestcliffanymor e wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
notinwestcliffanymor e wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist says... See it for yourself: http://youtu.be/UM81 di0u7DU No i dont care, i m an occasional cyclist and managed just fine before the cycle lane, you could always just stay in that nght or maybe walk through the event, or is YOUR RIGHT as you see it.
You don't care that people flouted the law and put other people's lives at risk? Nice.
i m not so daft as to leave my safety in the hands of the council or anyone else i take my own resposibility, like in the good ol days
I saw families forced off the cycle lane onto the pavement, that put pedestrians at risk. I saw two inexperienced cyclists actually forced int the road and ride against the direction of traffic. Peoples lives were put at risk by the selfish actions of these morons in their motorised penis substitutes. The police should prosecute every one of those illegally parked morons.
The Police were there! I was there - parked opposite the cycle path, watching the police cars drive up and down. Not once did they stop to ask people to move off the cycle path.

I didn't see any cyclists that night either mind...
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist says... See it for yourself: http://youtu.be/UM81 di0u7DU No i dont care, i m an occasional cyclist and managed just fine before the cycle lane, you could always just stay in that nght or maybe walk through the event, or is YOUR RIGHT as you see it.[/p][/quote]You don't care that people flouted the law and put other people's lives at risk? Nice.[/p][/quote]i m not so daft as to leave my safety in the hands of the council or anyone else i take my own resposibility, like in the good ol days[/p][/quote]I saw families forced off the cycle lane onto the pavement, that put pedestrians at risk. I saw two inexperienced cyclists actually forced int the road and ride against the direction of traffic. Peoples lives were put at risk by the selfish actions of these morons in their motorised penis substitutes. The police should prosecute every one of those illegally parked morons.[/p][/quote]The Police were there! I was there - parked opposite the cycle path, watching the police cars drive up and down. Not once did they stop to ask people to move off the cycle path. I didn't see any cyclists that night either mind... Noteworthy
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2:06pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Andycal 172D says...

I'm sorry but you're all missing the point.

The Council don't like or want it because the relevant palms haven't been greased.
I'm sorry but you're all missing the point. The Council don't like or want it because the relevant palms haven't been greased. Andycal 172D
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2:11pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Noteworthy wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
notinwestcliffanymor e wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
notinwestcliffanymor e wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist says... See it for yourself: http://youtu.be/UM81 di0u7DU No i dont care, i m an occasional cyclist and managed just fine before the cycle lane, you could always just stay in that nght or maybe walk through the event, or is YOUR RIGHT as you see it.
You don't care that people flouted the law and put other people's lives at risk? Nice.
i m not so daft as to leave my safety in the hands of the council or anyone else i take my own resposibility, like in the good ol days
I saw families forced off the cycle lane onto the pavement, that put pedestrians at risk. I saw two inexperienced cyclists actually forced int the road and ride against the direction of traffic. Peoples lives were put at risk by the selfish actions of these morons in their motorised penis substitutes. The police should prosecute every one of those illegally parked morons.
The Police were there! I was there - parked opposite the cycle path, watching the police cars drive up and down. Not once did they stop to ask people to move off the cycle path.

I didn't see any cyclists that night either mind...
The video clearly proves there were cyclists there.
[quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: Shoebury_Cyclist says... See it for yourself: http://youtu.be/UM81 di0u7DU No i dont care, i m an occasional cyclist and managed just fine before the cycle lane, you could always just stay in that nght or maybe walk through the event, or is YOUR RIGHT as you see it.[/p][/quote]You don't care that people flouted the law and put other people's lives at risk? Nice.[/p][/quote]i m not so daft as to leave my safety in the hands of the council or anyone else i take my own resposibility, like in the good ol days[/p][/quote]I saw families forced off the cycle lane onto the pavement, that put pedestrians at risk. I saw two inexperienced cyclists actually forced int the road and ride against the direction of traffic. Peoples lives were put at risk by the selfish actions of these morons in their motorised penis substitutes. The police should prosecute every one of those illegally parked morons.[/p][/quote]The Police were there! I was there - parked opposite the cycle path, watching the police cars drive up and down. Not once did they stop to ask people to move off the cycle path. I didn't see any cyclists that night either mind...[/p][/quote]The video clearly proves there were cyclists there. Shoebury_Cyclist
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2:19pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line.

I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.
And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up. Shoebury_Cyclist
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2:23pm Tue 5 Feb 13

notinwestcliffanymore says...

Having watched your video, all it proves is what i thought, this idiot is so up his own backside that he refuses to take care of his own safety by getting of and walking his bike for 5 minutes. Any police in attendance probably came to the same conclusion as me , that these cars were not blocking the high way and were not dangerous. You cyclists do not own the cycle lane just like apparently us road fund licence payers don t own the road.
Having watched your video, all it proves is what i thought, this idiot is so up his own backside that he refuses to take care of his own safety by getting of and walking his bike for 5 minutes. Any police in attendance probably came to the same conclusion as me , that these cars were not blocking the high way and were not dangerous. You cyclists do not own the cycle lane just like apparently us road fund licence payers don t own the road. notinwestcliffanymore
  • Score: 1

2:26pm Tue 5 Feb 13

notinwestcliffanymore says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.
yeah well i m gonna get my mum to write to council as well making sure every cyclist riding through the town center or on the pavement gets a fine as well. nernernenerner
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.[/p][/quote]yeah well i m gonna get my mum to write to council as well making sure every cyclist riding through the town center or on the pavement gets a fine as well. nernernenerner notinwestcliffanymore
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2:27pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Noteworthy says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.
Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself?

And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.[/p][/quote]Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself? And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on? Noteworthy
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2:32pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Soouthchurch59 says...

How do you enforce an injunction to stop cars using the queens highway to enter a town?
How do you enforce an injunction to stop cars using the queens highway to enter a town? Soouthchurch59
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2:32pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

notinwestcliffanymor
e
wrote:
Having watched your video, all it proves is what i thought, this idiot is so up his own backside that he refuses to take care of his own safety by getting of and walking his bike for 5 minutes. Any police in attendance probably came to the same conclusion as me , that these cars were not blocking the high way and were not dangerous. You cyclists do not own the cycle lane just like apparently us road fund licence payers don t own the road.
The public highway includes the pavements and any cycle lanes. The legal definition of the highway is here:

"The definition of a road in England and Wales is ‘any highway and any other road to which the public has access and includes bridges over which a road passes’ (RTA 1988 sect 192(1)). In Scotland, there is a similar definition which is extended to include any way over which the public have a right of passage (R(S)A 1984 sect 151(1)).

IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT REFERENCES TO ‘ROAD’ THEREFORE GENERALLY INCLUDE FOOTPATHS, BRIDLEWAYS AND CYCLE TRACKS, and many roadways and driveways on private land (including many car parks). In most cases, the law will apply to them and there may be additional rules for particular paths or ways. Some serious driving offences, including drink-driving offences, also apply to all public places, for example public car parks."

https://www.gov.uk/u
sing-the-road-159-to
-203/the-road-user-a
nd-the-law

The highway was blocked by people illegally and dangerously parked.

As for 'road fund licence, there' no such thing, that was scrapped in 1937. It's called VEHICLE Excise Duty which is a tax on vehicle emissions or engine size. It has NOTHING AT ALL to do with any right to use the road. Roads are paid for through general taxation which includes: Council Tax, Income Tax, VAT, etc. all of which cyclists pay too.
[quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: Having watched your video, all it proves is what i thought, this idiot is so up his own backside that he refuses to take care of his own safety by getting of and walking his bike for 5 minutes. Any police in attendance probably came to the same conclusion as me , that these cars were not blocking the high way and were not dangerous. You cyclists do not own the cycle lane just like apparently us road fund licence payers don t own the road.[/p][/quote]The public highway includes the pavements and any cycle lanes. The legal definition of the highway is here: "The definition of a road in England and Wales is ‘any highway and any other road to which the public has access and includes bridges over which a road passes’ (RTA 1988 sect 192(1)). In Scotland, there is a similar definition which is extended to include any way over which the public have a right of passage (R(S)A 1984 sect 151(1)). IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT REFERENCES TO ‘ROAD’ THEREFORE GENERALLY INCLUDE FOOTPATHS, BRIDLEWAYS AND CYCLE TRACKS, and many roadways and driveways on private land (including many car parks). In most cases, the law will apply to them and there may be additional rules for particular paths or ways. Some serious driving offences, including drink-driving offences, also apply to all public places, for example public car parks." https://www.gov.uk/u sing-the-road-159-to -203/the-road-user-a nd-the-law The highway was blocked by people illegally and dangerously parked. As for 'road fund licence, there' no such thing, that was scrapped in 1937. It's called VEHICLE Excise Duty which is a tax on vehicle emissions or engine size. It has NOTHING AT ALL to do with any right to use the road. Roads are paid for through general taxation which includes: Council Tax, Income Tax, VAT, etc. all of which cyclists pay too. Shoebury_Cyclist
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2:33pm Tue 5 Feb 13

andy:) says...

mys842 wrote:
I support keeping them away, if only in the interests of allowing free-flowing traffic. Why whould Southend residents have to avoid driving along the seafront to their homes or into town because they feel intimidated by a load of people revving their engines. Talk to anyone from outside Essex and the association of Southend and boy racers is overwhelming. In no way is this association seen as positive!
Why would anyone be intimidated by a car even if the engine is being revved, I'd feel far safer down the seafront when its busy as opposed to wandering around when its deserted.

People pay their taxes and have a right to meet up and drive along the seafront, if they break laws then yes they should face the consequences.

Andy
[quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: I support keeping them away, if only in the interests of allowing free-flowing traffic. Why whould Southend residents have to avoid driving along the seafront to their homes or into town because they feel intimidated by a load of people revving their engines. Talk to anyone from outside Essex and the association of Southend and boy racers is overwhelming. In no way is this association seen as positive![/p][/quote]Why would anyone be intimidated by a car even if the engine is being revved, I'd feel far safer down the seafront when its busy as opposed to wandering around when its deserted. People pay their taxes and have a right to meet up and drive along the seafront, if they break laws then yes they should face the consequences. Andy andy:)
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2:42pm Tue 5 Feb 13

notinwestcliffanymore says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
notinwestcliffanymor e wrote: Having watched your video, all it proves is what i thought, this idiot is so up his own backside that he refuses to take care of his own safety by getting of and walking his bike for 5 minutes. Any police in attendance probably came to the same conclusion as me , that these cars were not blocking the high way and were not dangerous. You cyclists do not own the cycle lane just like apparently us road fund licence payers don t own the road.
The public highway includes the pavements and any cycle lanes. The legal definition of the highway is here: "The definition of a road in England and Wales is ‘any highway and any other road to which the public has access and includes bridges over which a road passes’ (RTA 1988 sect 192(1)). In Scotland, there is a similar definition which is extended to include any way over which the public have a right of passage (R(S)A 1984 sect 151(1)). IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT REFERENCES TO ‘ROAD’ THEREFORE GENERALLY INCLUDE FOOTPATHS, BRIDLEWAYS AND CYCLE TRACKS, and many roadways and driveways on private land (including many car parks). In most cases, the law will apply to them and there may be additional rules for particular paths or ways. Some serious driving offences, including drink-driving offences, also apply to all public places, for example public car parks." https://www.gov.uk/u sing-the-road-159-to -203/the-road-user-a nd-the-law The highway was blocked by people illegally and dangerously parked. As for 'road fund licence, there' no such thing, that was scrapped in 1937. It's called VEHICLE Excise Duty which is a tax on vehicle emissions or engine size. It has NOTHING AT ALL to do with any right to use the road. Roads are paid for through general taxation which includes: Council Tax, Income Tax, VAT, etc. all of which cyclists pay too.
Seems to imply that i can drive on the pavement as well as cycle lanes.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: Having watched your video, all it proves is what i thought, this idiot is so up his own backside that he refuses to take care of his own safety by getting of and walking his bike for 5 minutes. Any police in attendance probably came to the same conclusion as me , that these cars were not blocking the high way and were not dangerous. You cyclists do not own the cycle lane just like apparently us road fund licence payers don t own the road.[/p][/quote]The public highway includes the pavements and any cycle lanes. The legal definition of the highway is here: "The definition of a road in England and Wales is ‘any highway and any other road to which the public has access and includes bridges over which a road passes’ (RTA 1988 sect 192(1)). In Scotland, there is a similar definition which is extended to include any way over which the public have a right of passage (R(S)A 1984 sect 151(1)). IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT REFERENCES TO ‘ROAD’ THEREFORE GENERALLY INCLUDE FOOTPATHS, BRIDLEWAYS AND CYCLE TRACKS, and many roadways and driveways on private land (including many car parks). In most cases, the law will apply to them and there may be additional rules for particular paths or ways. Some serious driving offences, including drink-driving offences, also apply to all public places, for example public car parks." https://www.gov.uk/u sing-the-road-159-to -203/the-road-user-a nd-the-law The highway was blocked by people illegally and dangerously parked. As for 'road fund licence, there' no such thing, that was scrapped in 1937. It's called VEHICLE Excise Duty which is a tax on vehicle emissions or engine size. It has NOTHING AT ALL to do with any right to use the road. Roads are paid for through general taxation which includes: Council Tax, Income Tax, VAT, etc. all of which cyclists pay too.[/p][/quote]Seems to imply that i can drive on the pavement as well as cycle lanes. notinwestcliffanymore
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2:43pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Noteworthy wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.
Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself?

And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?
'Notinwestcliffanymo
re' and anyone who parks illegally and puts the lives of others in danger by doing so.
[quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.[/p][/quote]Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself? And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?[/p][/quote]'Notinwestcliffanymo re' and anyone who parks illegally and puts the lives of others in danger by doing so. Shoebury_Cyclist
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2:54pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Peter245 says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Noteworthy wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.
Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself?

And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?
'Notinwestcliffanymo

re' and anyone who parks illegally and puts the lives of others in danger by doing so.
Your argument has seemed to have lost the point, you seem more **** off that people are parking in the cycle lane than anything else. This is about whether or not an organised event should take place.

Your argument is also pointless, what do you do if there is no cycle lane? Panic and go home? NO... you ride with the flow of traffic, which is 100% safe to do so along Southend sea front as it is a 2 way road!
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.[/p][/quote]Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself? And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?[/p][/quote]'Notinwestcliffanymo re' and anyone who parks illegally and puts the lives of others in danger by doing so.[/p][/quote]Your argument has seemed to have lost the point, you seem more **** off that people are parking in the cycle lane than anything else. This is about whether or not an organised event should take place. Your argument is also pointless, what do you do if there is no cycle lane? Panic and go home? NO... you ride with the flow of traffic, which is 100% safe to do so along Southend sea front as it is a 2 way road! Peter245
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2:56pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Peter245 says...

Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!
Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane! Peter245
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3:14pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Firestormgjc says...

Peter245 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Noteworthy wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote: And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.
Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself? And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?
'Notinwestcliffanymo re' and anyone who parks illegally and puts the lives of others in danger by doing so.
Your argument has seemed to have lost the point, you seem more **** off that people are parking in the cycle lane than anything else. This is about whether or not an organised event should take place. Your argument is also pointless, what do you do if there is no cycle lane? Panic and go home? NO... you ride with the flow of traffic, which is 100% safe to do so along Southend sea front as it is a 2 way road!
Unfortunately its not an "organised event"

The person who was originally the organiser has said its cancelled, and everyone is just turning up all the same ,
And to be honest, just arranging a meet up and publicising it on facebook does not make it an organised event.

Re: the previous comment about Tax payers paying for policing, any additional police required for an organised event will be charged to the local council, SBC have already scrapped the Airshow this year due , in the main, to policing costs.
[quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.[/p][/quote]Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself? And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?[/p][/quote]'Notinwestcliffanymo re' and anyone who parks illegally and puts the lives of others in danger by doing so.[/p][/quote]Your argument has seemed to have lost the point, you seem more **** off that people are parking in the cycle lane than anything else. This is about whether or not an organised event should take place. Your argument is also pointless, what do you do if there is no cycle lane? Panic and go home? NO... you ride with the flow of traffic, which is 100% safe to do so along Southend sea front as it is a 2 way road![/p][/quote]Unfortunately its not an "organised event" The person who was originally the organiser has said its cancelled, and everyone is just turning up all the same , And to be honest, just arranging a meet up and publicising it on facebook does not make it an organised event. Re: the previous comment about Tax payers paying for policing, any additional police required for an organised event will be charged to the local council, SBC have already scrapped the Airshow this year due , in the main, to policing costs. Firestormgjc
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3:17pm Tue 5 Feb 13

notinwestcliffanymore says...

The airshow was moved from the bank holiday monday due to policing cost, it is now scrapped due to short sightedness and ezy jet.
The airshow was moved from the bank holiday monday due to policing cost, it is now scrapped due to short sightedness and ezy jet. notinwestcliffanymore
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3:20pm Tue 5 Feb 13

notinwestcliffanymore says...

notinwestcliffanymor
e
wrote:
The airshow was moved from the bank holiday monday due to policing cost, it is now scrapped due to short sightedness and ezy jet.
oh almost forgot and the need to shut the cycle lane thus depriving half a dozen people from their god given right to ride on it.
[quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: The airshow was moved from the bank holiday monday due to policing cost, it is now scrapped due to short sightedness and ezy jet.[/p][/quote]oh almost forgot and the need to shut the cycle lane thus depriving half a dozen people from their god given right to ride on it. notinwestcliffanymore
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3:21pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Noteworthy says...

Firestormgjc wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Noteworthy wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote: And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.
Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself? And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?
'Notinwestcliffanymo re' and anyone who parks illegally and puts the lives of others in danger by doing so.
Your argument has seemed to have lost the point, you seem more **** off that people are parking in the cycle lane than anything else. This is about whether or not an organised event should take place. Your argument is also pointless, what do you do if there is no cycle lane? Panic and go home? NO... you ride with the flow of traffic, which is 100% safe to do so along Southend sea front as it is a 2 way road!
Unfortunately its not an "organised event" The person who was originally the organiser has said its cancelled, and everyone is just turning up all the same , And to be honest, just arranging a meet up and publicising it on facebook does not make it an organised event. Re: the previous comment about Tax payers paying for policing, any additional police required for an organised event will be charged to the local council, SBC have already scrapped the Airshow this year due , in the main, to policing costs.
The person who was originally organising it got cold feet once the police were mentioned.

Several others have organised much larger events on the seafront in the past - and others are organising further ones.

Should perhaps add in addition to my charity event, I'm working with Southend Police on an event in the summer, where there will be a police presence. According to the officer I'm working with, I don't need council permission, I don't technically need their permission - but I want them there anyway!
[quote][p][bold]Firestormgjc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.[/p][/quote]Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself? And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?[/p][/quote]'Notinwestcliffanymo re' and anyone who parks illegally and puts the lives of others in danger by doing so.[/p][/quote]Your argument has seemed to have lost the point, you seem more **** off that people are parking in the cycle lane than anything else. This is about whether or not an organised event should take place. Your argument is also pointless, what do you do if there is no cycle lane? Panic and go home? NO... you ride with the flow of traffic, which is 100% safe to do so along Southend sea front as it is a 2 way road![/p][/quote]Unfortunately its not an "organised event" The person who was originally the organiser has said its cancelled, and everyone is just turning up all the same , And to be honest, just arranging a meet up and publicising it on facebook does not make it an organised event. Re: the previous comment about Tax payers paying for policing, any additional police required for an organised event will be charged to the local council, SBC have already scrapped the Airshow this year due , in the main, to policing costs.[/p][/quote]The person who was originally organising it got cold feet once the police were mentioned. Several others have organised much larger events on the seafront in the past - and others are organising further ones. Should perhaps add in addition to my charity event, I'm working with Southend Police on an event in the summer, where there will be a police presence. According to the officer I'm working with, I don't need council permission, I don't technically need their permission - but I want them there anyway! Noteworthy
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3:26pm Tue 5 Feb 13

mys842 says...

andy:) wrote:
mys842 wrote:
I support keeping them away, if only in the interests of allowing free-flowing traffic. Why whould Southend residents have to avoid driving along the seafront to their homes or into town because they feel intimidated by a load of people revving their engines. Talk to anyone from outside Essex and the association of Southend and boy racers is overwhelming. In no way is this association seen as positive!
Why would anyone be intimidated by a car even if the engine is being revved, I'd feel far safer down the seafront when its busy as opposed to wandering around when its deserted.

People pay their taxes and have a right to meet up and drive along the seafront, if they break laws then yes they should face the consequences.

Andy
Maybe if you have a baby or young child in the back of your car you'd feel differently.

I'm sure thecouncil could arrange some essential road closures for the cliff slippage project that evening?
[quote][p][bold]andy:)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: I support keeping them away, if only in the interests of allowing free-flowing traffic. Why whould Southend residents have to avoid driving along the seafront to their homes or into town because they feel intimidated by a load of people revving their engines. Talk to anyone from outside Essex and the association of Southend and boy racers is overwhelming. In no way is this association seen as positive![/p][/quote]Why would anyone be intimidated by a car even if the engine is being revved, I'd feel far safer down the seafront when its busy as opposed to wandering around when its deserted. People pay their taxes and have a right to meet up and drive along the seafront, if they break laws then yes they should face the consequences. Andy[/p][/quote]Maybe if you have a baby or young child in the back of your car you'd feel differently. I'm sure thecouncil could arrange some essential road closures for the cliff slippage project that evening? mys842
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3:39pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Peter245 says...

Firestormgjc wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Noteworthy wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote: And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.
Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself? And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?
'Notinwestcliffanymo re' and anyone who parks illegally and puts the lives of others in danger by doing so.
Your argument has seemed to have lost the point, you seem more **** off that people are parking in the cycle lane than anything else. This is about whether or not an organised event should take place. Your argument is also pointless, what do you do if there is no cycle lane? Panic and go home? NO... you ride with the flow of traffic, which is 100% safe to do so along Southend sea front as it is a 2 way road!
Unfortunately its not an "organised event"

The person who was originally the organiser has said its cancelled, and everyone is just turning up all the same ,
And to be honest, just arranging a meet up and publicising it on facebook does not make it an organised event.

Re: the previous comment about Tax payers paying for policing, any additional police required for an organised event will be charged to the local council, SBC have already scrapped the Airshow this year due , in the main, to policing costs.
It was organised, its not just alot of people turning up for no reason, it was posted on facebook, the police and local authorities have access to see it there, and have had enough prior warning. and just because of policing cuts, are we all supposed to sit back and be bored because the government can't afford to pay for somebody to watch over us? The amount of custom this will bring to the town and local businesses far outweighs that of the policing costs.

this event will bring 1000+ people to the town, all with some cash to spend.
I wouldn't complain if the council were to impose a £5 parking charge per car to be paid on the night. £5 per car, 1000 cars, simple maths, £5000 for the council. Plus most will spend a few quid in the arcades, and the local cafe's could be opened, bringing profit to the town, where there usually wouldn't be during winter.

The town is losing money through its own wrong doing.
[quote][p][bold]Firestormgjc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.[/p][/quote]Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself? And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?[/p][/quote]'Notinwestcliffanymo re' and anyone who parks illegally and puts the lives of others in danger by doing so.[/p][/quote]Your argument has seemed to have lost the point, you seem more **** off that people are parking in the cycle lane than anything else. This is about whether or not an organised event should take place. Your argument is also pointless, what do you do if there is no cycle lane? Panic and go home? NO... you ride with the flow of traffic, which is 100% safe to do so along Southend sea front as it is a 2 way road![/p][/quote]Unfortunately its not an "organised event" The person who was originally the organiser has said its cancelled, and everyone is just turning up all the same , And to be honest, just arranging a meet up and publicising it on facebook does not make it an organised event. Re: the previous comment about Tax payers paying for policing, any additional police required for an organised event will be charged to the local council, SBC have already scrapped the Airshow this year due , in the main, to policing costs.[/p][/quote]It was organised, its not just alot of people turning up for no reason, it was posted on facebook, the police and local authorities have access to see it there, and have had enough prior warning. and just because of policing cuts, are we all supposed to sit back and be bored because the government can't afford to pay for somebody to watch over us? The amount of custom this will bring to the town and local businesses far outweighs that of the policing costs. this event will bring 1000+ people to the town, all with some cash to spend. I wouldn't complain if the council were to impose a £5 parking charge per car to be paid on the night. £5 per car, 1000 cars, simple maths, £5000 for the council. Plus most will spend a few quid in the arcades, and the local cafe's could be opened, bringing profit to the town, where there usually wouldn't be during winter. The town is losing money through its own wrong doing. Peter245
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3:49pm Tue 5 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

Noteworthy wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.
Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself?

And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?
Because it's not illegal. Parking offences have been de-criminalised. the local authority are responsible for monitoring parking. Shoebury Cyclist seems to have gone to a lot of trouble to research some old legislation. Keep up!
[quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.[/p][/quote]Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself? And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?[/p][/quote]Because it's not illegal. Parking offences have been de-criminalised. the local authority are responsible for monitoring parking. Shoebury Cyclist seems to have gone to a lot of trouble to research some old legislation. Keep up! stopmoaning1
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3:50pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Alekhine says...

Peter245 wrote:
Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!
FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.
[quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane![/p][/quote]FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist. Alekhine
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3:51pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Alekhine says...

Peter245 - I did'nt mean to attach your message.
Peter245 - I did'nt mean to attach your message. Alekhine
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4:09pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Noteworthy says...

mys842 wrote:
andy:) wrote:
mys842 wrote: I support keeping them away, if only in the interests of allowing free-flowing traffic. Why whould Southend residents have to avoid driving along the seafront to their homes or into town because they feel intimidated by a load of people revving their engines. Talk to anyone from outside Essex and the association of Southend and boy racers is overwhelming. In no way is this association seen as positive!
Why would anyone be intimidated by a car even if the engine is being revved, I'd feel far safer down the seafront when its busy as opposed to wandering around when its deserted. People pay their taxes and have a right to meet up and drive along the seafront, if they break laws then yes they should face the consequences. Andy
Maybe if you have a baby or young child in the back of your car you'd feel differently. I'm sure thecouncil could arrange some essential road closures for the cliff slippage project that evening?
I often take my daughter to these meets, my friends take their children too - obviously when we do we stand on the pavement away from the road. They enjoy it, my friends little boy loves cars!

Plus it's a trip to the arcades too, and in the summer, Adventure Island.

You let yourself be intimidated by perceptions which are not helped by 'local media'. I'll bet if you broke down, anyone on the seafront would come over to help -especially if you have children in the back.

Most enthusiasts have spent a lot of money on their cars - the last thing they want to do is drive like idiots and trash them.
[quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andy:)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: I support keeping them away, if only in the interests of allowing free-flowing traffic. Why whould Southend residents have to avoid driving along the seafront to their homes or into town because they feel intimidated by a load of people revving their engines. Talk to anyone from outside Essex and the association of Southend and boy racers is overwhelming. In no way is this association seen as positive![/p][/quote]Why would anyone be intimidated by a car even if the engine is being revved, I'd feel far safer down the seafront when its busy as opposed to wandering around when its deserted. People pay their taxes and have a right to meet up and drive along the seafront, if they break laws then yes they should face the consequences. Andy[/p][/quote]Maybe if you have a baby or young child in the back of your car you'd feel differently. I'm sure thecouncil could arrange some essential road closures for the cliff slippage project that evening?[/p][/quote]I often take my daughter to these meets, my friends take their children too - obviously when we do we stand on the pavement away from the road. They enjoy it, my friends little boy loves cars! Plus it's a trip to the arcades too, and in the summer, Adventure Island. You let yourself be intimidated by perceptions which are not helped by 'local media'. I'll bet if you broke down, anyone on the seafront would come over to help -especially if you have children in the back. Most enthusiasts have spent a lot of money on their cars - the last thing they want to do is drive like idiots and trash them. Noteworthy
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4:14pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Peter245 wrote:
Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!
It was an analogy.
[quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane![/p][/quote]It was an analogy. Shoebury_Cyclist
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4:16pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Peter245 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Noteworthy wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.
Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself?

And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?
'Notinwestcliffanymo


re' and anyone who parks illegally and puts the lives of others in danger by doing so.
Your argument has seemed to have lost the point, you seem more **** off that people are parking in the cycle lane than anything else. This is about whether or not an organised event should take place.

Your argument is also pointless, what do you do if there is no cycle lane? Panic and go home? NO... you ride with the flow of traffic, which is 100% safe to do so along Southend sea front as it is a 2 way road!
That doesn't make illegal parking legal. Those people who parked in the cycle lane deliberately put the lives of others at risk through their actions.
[quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.[/p][/quote]Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself? And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?[/p][/quote]'Notinwestcliffanymo re' and anyone who parks illegally and puts the lives of others in danger by doing so.[/p][/quote]Your argument has seemed to have lost the point, you seem more **** off that people are parking in the cycle lane than anything else. This is about whether or not an organised event should take place. Your argument is also pointless, what do you do if there is no cycle lane? Panic and go home? NO... you ride with the flow of traffic, which is 100% safe to do so along Southend sea front as it is a 2 way road![/p][/quote]That doesn't make illegal parking legal. Those people who parked in the cycle lane deliberately put the lives of others at risk through their actions. Shoebury_Cyclist
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4:20pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
Noteworthy wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.
Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself?

And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?
Because it's not illegal. Parking offences have been de-criminalised. the local authority are responsible for monitoring parking. Shoebury Cyclist seems to have gone to a lot of trouble to research some old legislation. Keep up!
Yes it is illegal. Rule 240 of the Highway Code:

240
You MUST NOT stop or park on

the carriageway or the hard shoulder of a motorway except in an emergency (see Rule 270)
a pedestrian crossing, including the area marked by the zig-zag lines (see Rule 191)
a clearway (download ‘Traffic signs’ (PDF, 486KB))
taxi bays as indicated by upright signs and markings
an Urban Clearway within its hours of operation, except to pick up or set down passengers (download ‘Traffic signs’ (PDF, 486KB))
a road marked with double white lines, even when a broken white line is on your side of the road, except to pick up or set down passengers, or to load or unload goods
A TRAM OR CYCLE LANE DURING ITS PERIOD OF OPERATION
A CYCLE TRACK
red lines, in the case of specially designated ‘red routes’, unless otherwise indicated by signs. Any vehicle may enter a bus lane to stop, load or unload where this is not prohibited (see Rule 140).
Laws MT(E&W)R regs 7 & 9, MT(S)R regs 6 & 8, ZPPPCRGD regs 18 & 20, RTRA sects 5, 6 & 8, TSRGD regs 10, 26 & 27, RTA 1988 sects 21(1) & 36
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.[/p][/quote]Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself? And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?[/p][/quote]Because it's not illegal. Parking offences have been de-criminalised. the local authority are responsible for monitoring parking. Shoebury Cyclist seems to have gone to a lot of trouble to research some old legislation. Keep up![/p][/quote]Yes it is illegal. Rule 240 of the Highway Code: 240 You MUST NOT stop or park on the carriageway or the hard shoulder of a motorway except in an emergency (see Rule 270) a pedestrian crossing, including the area marked by the zig-zag lines (see Rule 191) a clearway (download ‘Traffic signs’ (PDF, 486KB)) taxi bays as indicated by upright signs and markings an Urban Clearway within its hours of operation, except to pick up or set down passengers (download ‘Traffic signs’ (PDF, 486KB)) a road marked with double white lines, even when a broken white line is on your side of the road, except to pick up or set down passengers, or to load or unload goods A TRAM OR CYCLE LANE DURING ITS PERIOD OF OPERATION A CYCLE TRACK red lines, in the case of specially designated ‘red routes’, unless otherwise indicated by signs. Any vehicle may enter a bus lane to stop, load or unload where this is not prohibited (see Rule 140). Laws MT(E&W)R regs 7 & 9, MT(S)R regs 6 & 8, ZPPPCRGD regs 18 & 20, RTRA sects 5, 6 & 8, TSRGD regs 10, 26 & 27, RTA 1988 sects 21(1) & 36 Shoebury_Cyclist
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4:22pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Noteworthy says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Noteworthy wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote: And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.
Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself? And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?
'Notinwestcliffanymo re' and anyone who parks illegally and puts the lives of others in danger by doing so.
Your argument has seemed to have lost the point, you seem more **** off that people are parking in the cycle lane than anything else. This is about whether or not an organised event should take place. Your argument is also pointless, what do you do if there is no cycle lane? Panic and go home? NO... you ride with the flow of traffic, which is 100% safe to do so along Southend sea front as it is a 2 way road!
That doesn't make illegal parking legal. Those people who parked in the cycle lane deliberately put the lives of others at risk through their actions.
Deliberately? Are you saying that it was attempted manslaughter?

If it was that serious why did the police not ask them to move?
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.[/p][/quote]Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself? And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?[/p][/quote]'Notinwestcliffanymo re' and anyone who parks illegally and puts the lives of others in danger by doing so.[/p][/quote]Your argument has seemed to have lost the point, you seem more **** off that people are parking in the cycle lane than anything else. This is about whether or not an organised event should take place. Your argument is also pointless, what do you do if there is no cycle lane? Panic and go home? NO... you ride with the flow of traffic, which is 100% safe to do so along Southend sea front as it is a 2 way road![/p][/quote]That doesn't make illegal parking legal. Those people who parked in the cycle lane deliberately put the lives of others at risk through their actions.[/p][/quote]Deliberately? Are you saying that it was attempted manslaughter? If it was that serious why did the police not ask them to move? Noteworthy
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4:24pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Alekhine wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!
FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.
When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic.


I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk.


I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.
[quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane![/p][/quote]FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.[/p][/quote]When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront. Shoebury_Cyclist
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4:57pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Noteworthy wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Noteworthy wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote: And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.
Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself? And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?
'Notinwestcliffanymo re' and anyone who parks illegally and puts the lives of others in danger by doing so.
Your argument has seemed to have lost the point, you seem more **** off that people are parking in the cycle lane than anything else. This is about whether or not an organised event should take place. Your argument is also pointless, what do you do if there is no cycle lane? Panic and go home? NO... you ride with the flow of traffic, which is 100% safe to do so along Southend sea front as it is a 2 way road!
That doesn't make illegal parking legal. Those people who parked in the cycle lane deliberately put the lives of others at risk through their actions.
Deliberately? Are you saying that it was attempted manslaughter?

If it was that serious why did the police not ask them to move?
I'm saying it was a deliberate disregard for the safety and lives of other people. There are clear double-yellow lines, a clear unbroken white line, and clear cycle lane markings. They deliberately ignored them.

You'll have to ask the police that. As I did. I'm still waiting for an answer,
[quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.[/p][/quote]Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself? And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?[/p][/quote]'Notinwestcliffanymo re' and anyone who parks illegally and puts the lives of others in danger by doing so.[/p][/quote]Your argument has seemed to have lost the point, you seem more **** off that people are parking in the cycle lane than anything else. This is about whether or not an organised event should take place. Your argument is also pointless, what do you do if there is no cycle lane? Panic and go home? NO... you ride with the flow of traffic, which is 100% safe to do so along Southend sea front as it is a 2 way road![/p][/quote]That doesn't make illegal parking legal. Those people who parked in the cycle lane deliberately put the lives of others at risk through their actions.[/p][/quote]Deliberately? Are you saying that it was attempted manslaughter? If it was that serious why did the police not ask them to move?[/p][/quote]I'm saying it was a deliberate disregard for the safety and lives of other people. There are clear double-yellow lines, a clear unbroken white line, and clear cycle lane markings. They deliberately ignored them. You'll have to ask the police that. As I did. I'm still waiting for an answer, Shoebury_Cyclist
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5:05pm Tue 5 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
Noteworthy wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.
Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself?

And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?
Because it's not illegal. Parking offences have been de-criminalised. the local authority are responsible for monitoring parking. Shoebury Cyclist seems to have gone to a lot of trouble to research some old legislation. Keep up!
Yes it is illegal. Rule 240 of the Highway Code:

240
You MUST NOT stop or park on

the carriageway or the hard shoulder of a motorway except in an emergency (see Rule 270)
a pedestrian crossing, including the area marked by the zig-zag lines (see Rule 191)
a clearway (download ‘Traffic signs’ (PDF, 486KB))
taxi bays as indicated by upright signs and markings
an Urban Clearway within its hours of operation, except to pick up or set down passengers (download ‘Traffic signs’ (PDF, 486KB))
a road marked with double white lines, even when a broken white line is on your side of the road, except to pick up or set down passengers, or to load or unload goods
A TRAM OR CYCLE LANE DURING ITS PERIOD OF OPERATION
A CYCLE TRACK
red lines, in the case of specially designated ‘red routes’, unless otherwise indicated by signs. Any vehicle may enter a bus lane to stop, load or unload where this is not prohibited (see Rule 140).
Laws MT(E&W)R regs 7 & 9, MT(S)R regs 6 & 8, ZPPPCRGD regs 18 & 20, RTRA sects 5, 6 & 8, TSRGD regs 10, 26 & 27, RTA 1988 sects 21(1) & 36
So the Highway Code is your source of reference. Thought so. Don’t quote that, it’s not all law, some of is just guidance. Most parking restrictions have been de-criminalised and are local authority responsibility. Call in or phone the police station and see what they say.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.[/p][/quote]Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself? And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?[/p][/quote]Because it's not illegal. Parking offences have been de-criminalised. the local authority are responsible for monitoring parking. Shoebury Cyclist seems to have gone to a lot of trouble to research some old legislation. Keep up![/p][/quote]Yes it is illegal. Rule 240 of the Highway Code: 240 You MUST NOT stop or park on the carriageway or the hard shoulder of a motorway except in an emergency (see Rule 270) a pedestrian crossing, including the area marked by the zig-zag lines (see Rule 191) a clearway (download ‘Traffic signs’ (PDF, 486KB)) taxi bays as indicated by upright signs and markings an Urban Clearway within its hours of operation, except to pick up or set down passengers (download ‘Traffic signs’ (PDF, 486KB)) a road marked with double white lines, even when a broken white line is on your side of the road, except to pick up or set down passengers, or to load or unload goods A TRAM OR CYCLE LANE DURING ITS PERIOD OF OPERATION A CYCLE TRACK red lines, in the case of specially designated ‘red routes’, unless otherwise indicated by signs. Any vehicle may enter a bus lane to stop, load or unload where this is not prohibited (see Rule 140). Laws MT(E&W)R regs 7 & 9, MT(S)R regs 6 & 8, ZPPPCRGD regs 18 & 20, RTRA sects 5, 6 & 8, TSRGD regs 10, 26 & 27, RTA 1988 sects 21(1) & 36[/p][/quote]So the Highway Code is your source of reference. Thought so. Don’t quote that, it’s not all law, some of is just guidance. Most parking restrictions have been de-criminalised and are local authority responsibility. Call in or phone the police station and see what they say. stopmoaning1
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5:06pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Peter245 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Noteworthy wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.
Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself?

And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?
'Notinwestcliffanymo


re' and anyone who parks illegally and puts the lives of others in danger by doing so.
Your argument has seemed to have lost the point, you seem more **** off that people are parking in the cycle lane than anything else. This is about whether or not an organised event should take place.

Your argument is also pointless, what do you do if there is no cycle lane? Panic and go home? NO... you ride with the flow of traffic, which is 100% safe to do so along Southend sea front as it is a 2 way road!
Organised event?

Have the organisers obtained permission from Southend Council to close off the seafront?

No.

Have the organisers taken out liability insurance to cover this 'event'?

No.

Have the organisers informed the police and set up proper policing for the event?

No.

Have the organisers set up event marshals to ensure the event remains within the law and no member of the public is put at risk?

No.

This is not an organised event, it's just trouble making rabble thinking they can ignore the law.
[quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: And besides it wouldn't make any difference whether there were cyclists there or not, it is ILLEGAL to park in a designated cycle lane, it is ILLEGAL to park on double-yellow lines, and it is ILLEGAL to cross an unbroken white line. I will be writing to the council and local police asking that they make sure every illegally parked vehicle is fined, if these morons turn up.[/p][/quote]Would you mind clarifying who you are calling a moron please? As I was there that night, am I to take this as an attack against myself? And if it's illegal, why didn't the police move them on?[/p][/quote]'Notinwestcliffanymo re' and anyone who parks illegally and puts the lives of others in danger by doing so.[/p][/quote]Your argument has seemed to have lost the point, you seem more **** off that people are parking in the cycle lane than anything else. This is about whether or not an organised event should take place. Your argument is also pointless, what do you do if there is no cycle lane? Panic and go home? NO... you ride with the flow of traffic, which is 100% safe to do so along Southend sea front as it is a 2 way road![/p][/quote]Organised event? Have the organisers obtained permission from Southend Council to close off the seafront? No. Have the organisers taken out liability insurance to cover this 'event'? No. Have the organisers informed the police and set up proper policing for the event? No. Have the organisers set up event marshals to ensure the event remains within the law and no member of the public is put at risk? No. This is not an organised event, it's just trouble making rabble thinking they can ignore the law. Shoebury_Cyclist
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5:22pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Noteworthy says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
Peter245 wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!
FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.
When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.
Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront?

Since when has parking a car been illegal?

There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen.

Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane![/p][/quote]FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.[/p][/quote]When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.[/p][/quote]Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront? Since when has parking a car been illegal? There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen. Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker... Noteworthy
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5:24pm Tue 5 Feb 13

mys842 says...

Noteworthy wrote:
mys842 wrote:
andy:) wrote:
mys842 wrote: I support keeping them away, if only in the interests of allowing free-flowing traffic. Why whould Southend residents have to avoid driving along the seafront to their homes or into town because they feel intimidated by a load of people revving their engines. Talk to anyone from outside Essex and the association of Southend and boy racers is overwhelming. In no way is this association seen as positive!
Why would anyone be intimidated by a car even if the engine is being revved, I'd feel far safer down the seafront when its busy as opposed to wandering around when its deserted. People pay their taxes and have a right to meet up and drive along the seafront, if they break laws then yes they should face the consequences. Andy
Maybe if you have a baby or young child in the back of your car you'd feel differently. I'm sure thecouncil could arrange some essential road closures for the cliff slippage project that evening?
I often take my daughter to these meets, my friends take their children too - obviously when we do we stand on the pavement away from the road. They enjoy it, my friends little boy loves cars!

Plus it's a trip to the arcades too, and in the summer, Adventure Island.

You let yourself be intimidated by perceptions which are not helped by 'local media'. I'll bet if you broke down, anyone on the seafront would come over to help -especially if you have children in the back.

Most enthusiasts have spent a lot of money on their cars - the last thing they want to do is drive like idiots and trash them.
Maybe you're right. I do feel slightly intimidated by the meets, but no more than I would driving down a road with lots of revellers enjoying a night out. Hopefully if it's organised properly, everyone will enjoy it.

However, given it was moved on from Canvey, it does sound like Southend are a last resort and it's nothing to do with the fact that it's where people would rather be, spending money in the arcades and shops/restaurants.

I suspect most Southend residents will steer clear of it, whether those fears are rooted from media hype or past experience I'm not sure.
[quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andy:)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: I support keeping them away, if only in the interests of allowing free-flowing traffic. Why whould Southend residents have to avoid driving along the seafront to their homes or into town because they feel intimidated by a load of people revving their engines. Talk to anyone from outside Essex and the association of Southend and boy racers is overwhelming. In no way is this association seen as positive![/p][/quote]Why would anyone be intimidated by a car even if the engine is being revved, I'd feel far safer down the seafront when its busy as opposed to wandering around when its deserted. People pay their taxes and have a right to meet up and drive along the seafront, if they break laws then yes they should face the consequences. Andy[/p][/quote]Maybe if you have a baby or young child in the back of your car you'd feel differently. I'm sure thecouncil could arrange some essential road closures for the cliff slippage project that evening?[/p][/quote]I often take my daughter to these meets, my friends take their children too - obviously when we do we stand on the pavement away from the road. They enjoy it, my friends little boy loves cars! Plus it's a trip to the arcades too, and in the summer, Adventure Island. You let yourself be intimidated by perceptions which are not helped by 'local media'. I'll bet if you broke down, anyone on the seafront would come over to help -especially if you have children in the back. Most enthusiasts have spent a lot of money on their cars - the last thing they want to do is drive like idiots and trash them.[/p][/quote]Maybe you're right. I do feel slightly intimidated by the meets, but no more than I would driving down a road with lots of revellers enjoying a night out. Hopefully if it's organised properly, everyone will enjoy it. However, given it was moved on from Canvey, it does sound like Southend are a last resort and it's nothing to do with the fact that it's where people would rather be, spending money in the arcades and shops/restaurants. I suspect most Southend residents will steer clear of it, whether those fears are rooted from media hype or past experience I'm not sure. mys842
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5:33pm Tue 5 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

Looking at the posts here, it seems the main objector to this event is Shoebury Cyclist because on a cold February night, he/she MAY (although I’m sure he/she WILL) decide to take a ride along the sea front and MAY find one of these cars stopped in the cycle lane. Brilliant argument. SBC/Police – get that injunction, quick!
Looking at the posts here, it seems the main objector to this event is Shoebury Cyclist because on a cold February night, he/she MAY (although I’m sure he/she WILL) decide to take a ride along the sea front and MAY find one of these cars stopped in the cycle lane. Brilliant argument. SBC/Police – get that injunction, quick! stopmoaning1
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5:39pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Noteworthy wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
Peter245 wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!
FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.
When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.
Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront?

Since when has parking a car been illegal?

There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen.

Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...
It is illegal to park on pavements and in cycle lanes. The last time this mob turned up they did exactly that and in so doing endangered the lives of pedestrians and cyclists alike. These people have already shown they have no regard for the law or other seafront users.

So as far as I am concerned Southend Council have my full support in doing whatever they can to prevent this illegal 'event' from happening.
[quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane![/p][/quote]FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.[/p][/quote]When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.[/p][/quote]Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront? Since when has parking a car been illegal? There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen. Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...[/p][/quote]It is illegal to park on pavements and in cycle lanes. The last time this mob turned up they did exactly that and in so doing endangered the lives of pedestrians and cyclists alike. These people have already shown they have no regard for the law or other seafront users. So as far as I am concerned Southend Council have my full support in doing whatever they can to prevent this illegal 'event' from happening. Shoebury_Cyclist
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5:50pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Peter245 says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Noteworthy wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
Peter245 wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!
FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.
When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.
Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront?

Since when has parking a car been illegal?

There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen.

Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...
It is illegal to park on pavements and in cycle lanes. The last time this mob turned up they did exactly that and in so doing endangered the lives of pedestrians and cyclists alike. These people have already shown they have no regard for the law or other seafront users.

So as far as I am concerned Southend Council have my full support in doing whatever they can to prevent this illegal 'event' from happening.
I see noteworthys comment was asking why it is an illegal event, not why is it illegal to park in a cycle lane.

Apart from people parking in cycle lanes, could you explain to me why you are so against a small, but needed boost to the local businesses?

dont tar us all with the same brush, we are not all kids in rattly cars, 90% are enthusiasts, just like im sure your an enthusiastic cyclist, and you wouldnt want to be put in the same category as the ignorant cyclists that cut lights and blame everything on the car driver when you hog a lane and they pass too close!
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane![/p][/quote]FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.[/p][/quote]When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.[/p][/quote]Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront? Since when has parking a car been illegal? There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen. Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...[/p][/quote]It is illegal to park on pavements and in cycle lanes. The last time this mob turned up they did exactly that and in so doing endangered the lives of pedestrians and cyclists alike. These people have already shown they have no regard for the law or other seafront users. So as far as I am concerned Southend Council have my full support in doing whatever they can to prevent this illegal 'event' from happening.[/p][/quote]I see noteworthys comment was asking why it is an illegal event, not why is it illegal to park in a cycle lane. Apart from people parking in cycle lanes, could you explain to me why you are so against a small, but needed boost to the local businesses? dont tar us all with the same brush, we are not all kids in rattly cars, 90% are enthusiasts, just like im sure your an enthusiastic cyclist, and you wouldnt want to be put in the same category as the ignorant cyclists that cut lights and blame everything on the car driver when you hog a lane and they pass too close! Peter245
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5:57pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Noteworthy says...

Peter245 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Noteworthy wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
Peter245 wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!
FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.
When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.
Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront? Since when has parking a car been illegal? There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen. Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...
It is illegal to park on pavements and in cycle lanes. The last time this mob turned up they did exactly that and in so doing endangered the lives of pedestrians and cyclists alike. These people have already shown they have no regard for the law or other seafront users. So as far as I am concerned Southend Council have my full support in doing whatever they can to prevent this illegal 'event' from happening.
I see noteworthys comment was asking why it is an illegal event, not why is it illegal to park in a cycle lane. Apart from people parking in cycle lanes, could you explain to me why you are so against a small, but needed boost to the local businesses? dont tar us all with the same brush, we are not all kids in rattly cars, 90% are enthusiasts, just like im sure your an enthusiastic cyclist, and you wouldnt want to be put in the same category as the ignorant cyclists that cut lights and blame everything on the car driver when you hog a lane and they pass too close!
Seconded
[quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane![/p][/quote]FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.[/p][/quote]When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.[/p][/quote]Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront? Since when has parking a car been illegal? There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen. Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...[/p][/quote]It is illegal to park on pavements and in cycle lanes. The last time this mob turned up they did exactly that and in so doing endangered the lives of pedestrians and cyclists alike. These people have already shown they have no regard for the law or other seafront users. So as far as I am concerned Southend Council have my full support in doing whatever they can to prevent this illegal 'event' from happening.[/p][/quote]I see noteworthys comment was asking why it is an illegal event, not why is it illegal to park in a cycle lane. Apart from people parking in cycle lanes, could you explain to me why you are so against a small, but needed boost to the local businesses? dont tar us all with the same brush, we are not all kids in rattly cars, 90% are enthusiasts, just like im sure your an enthusiastic cyclist, and you wouldnt want to be put in the same category as the ignorant cyclists that cut lights and blame everything on the car driver when you hog a lane and they pass too close![/p][/quote]Seconded Noteworthy
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6:16pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Joe Wildman-Clark says...

Noteworthy wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Noteworthy wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
Peter245 wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!
FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.
When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.
Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront? Since when has parking a car been illegal? There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen. Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...
It is illegal to park on pavements and in cycle lanes. The last time this mob turned up they did exactly that and in so doing endangered the lives of pedestrians and cyclists alike. These people have already shown they have no regard for the law or other seafront users. So as far as I am concerned Southend Council have my full support in doing whatever they can to prevent this illegal 'event' from happening.
I see noteworthys comment was asking why it is an illegal event, not why is it illegal to park in a cycle lane. Apart from people parking in cycle lanes, could you explain to me why you are so against a small, but needed boost to the local businesses? dont tar us all with the same brush, we are not all kids in rattly cars, 90% are enthusiasts, just like im sure your an enthusiastic cyclist, and you wouldnt want to be put in the same category as the ignorant cyclists that cut lights and blame everything on the car driver when you hog a lane and they pass too close!
Seconded
Peter245 & Noteworthy:

What about the cruisers that put oil down on the road and preform burn outs?

Is that the right kind of action to be under taking on a public road, do you noe know that the oil can eat into the road surface resulting in a costly repair funded nit by out of town cruisers but by the council tax payer of Southend.

Why not have the event go ahead but all those what want to take park have to pay £25 to the council for a permit to display their car, £15 is kept by the council to help cover the cost of the litter left behind and any repairs needed to the road, the other £10 is donated to charity. Any car not displaying a permit is immediatly removed and impounded a £350 fine is issued failure to pay within a week will see the car scrapped.

These cruisers think they rule the road and that they can do what they want when they want well kids you do not, why not hire an airfield or something for your events.
[quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane![/p][/quote]FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.[/p][/quote]When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.[/p][/quote]Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront? Since when has parking a car been illegal? There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen. Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...[/p][/quote]It is illegal to park on pavements and in cycle lanes. The last time this mob turned up they did exactly that and in so doing endangered the lives of pedestrians and cyclists alike. These people have already shown they have no regard for the law or other seafront users. So as far as I am concerned Southend Council have my full support in doing whatever they can to prevent this illegal 'event' from happening.[/p][/quote]I see noteworthys comment was asking why it is an illegal event, not why is it illegal to park in a cycle lane. Apart from people parking in cycle lanes, could you explain to me why you are so against a small, but needed boost to the local businesses? dont tar us all with the same brush, we are not all kids in rattly cars, 90% are enthusiasts, just like im sure your an enthusiastic cyclist, and you wouldnt want to be put in the same category as the ignorant cyclists that cut lights and blame everything on the car driver when you hog a lane and they pass too close![/p][/quote]Seconded[/p][/quote]Peter245 & Noteworthy: What about the cruisers that put oil down on the road and preform burn outs? Is that the right kind of action to be under taking on a public road, do you noe know that the oil can eat into the road surface resulting in a costly repair funded nit by out of town cruisers but by the council tax payer of Southend. Why not have the event go ahead but all those what want to take park have to pay £25 to the council for a permit to display their car, £15 is kept by the council to help cover the cost of the litter left behind and any repairs needed to the road, the other £10 is donated to charity. Any car not displaying a permit is immediatly removed and impounded a £350 fine is issued failure to pay within a week will see the car scrapped. These cruisers think they rule the road and that they can do what they want when they want well kids you do not, why not hire an airfield or something for your events. Joe Wildman-Clark
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6:19pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Peter245 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Noteworthy wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
Peter245 wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!
FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.
When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.
Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront?

Since when has parking a car been illegal?

There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen.

Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...
It is illegal to park on pavements and in cycle lanes. The last time this mob turned up they did exactly that and in so doing endangered the lives of pedestrians and cyclists alike. These people have already shown they have no regard for the law or other seafront users.

So as far as I am concerned Southend Council have my full support in doing whatever they can to prevent this illegal 'event' from happening.
I see noteworthys comment was asking why it is an illegal event, not why is it illegal to park in a cycle lane.

Apart from people parking in cycle lanes, could you explain to me why you are so against a small, but needed boost to the local businesses?

dont tar us all with the same brush, we are not all kids in rattly cars, 90% are enthusiasts, just like im sure your an enthusiastic cyclist, and you wouldnt want to be put in the same category as the ignorant cyclists that cut lights and blame everything on the car driver when you hog a lane and they pass too close!
'Hog a lane'? I see, you think it's YOUR lane, and only YOU should be hogging it, is that it?

I already explained why it's an illegal event earlier. But I'll do it again.

Have the organisers obtained permission from Southend Council to close off the seafront?

No.

Have the organisers taken out liability insurance to cover this 'event'?

No.

Have the organisers informed the police and set up proper policing for the event?

No.

Have the organisers arranged event marshals to ensure the event remains within the law and no member of the public is put at risk?

No.

This is not an organised event, it's just trouble making rabble thinking they can ignore the law.
[quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane![/p][/quote]FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.[/p][/quote]When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.[/p][/quote]Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront? Since when has parking a car been illegal? There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen. Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...[/p][/quote]It is illegal to park on pavements and in cycle lanes. The last time this mob turned up they did exactly that and in so doing endangered the lives of pedestrians and cyclists alike. These people have already shown they have no regard for the law or other seafront users. So as far as I am concerned Southend Council have my full support in doing whatever they can to prevent this illegal 'event' from happening.[/p][/quote]I see noteworthys comment was asking why it is an illegal event, not why is it illegal to park in a cycle lane. Apart from people parking in cycle lanes, could you explain to me why you are so against a small, but needed boost to the local businesses? dont tar us all with the same brush, we are not all kids in rattly cars, 90% are enthusiasts, just like im sure your an enthusiastic cyclist, and you wouldnt want to be put in the same category as the ignorant cyclists that cut lights and blame everything on the car driver when you hog a lane and they pass too close![/p][/quote]'Hog a lane'? I see, you think it's YOUR lane, and only YOU should be hogging it, is that it? I already explained why it's an illegal event earlier. But I'll do it again. Have the organisers obtained permission from Southend Council to close off the seafront? No. Have the organisers taken out liability insurance to cover this 'event'? No. Have the organisers informed the police and set up proper policing for the event? No. Have the organisers arranged event marshals to ensure the event remains within the law and no member of the public is put at risk? No. This is not an organised event, it's just trouble making rabble thinking they can ignore the law. Shoebury_Cyclist
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6:28pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Peter245 says...

Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
Noteworthy wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Noteworthy wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
Peter245 wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!
FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.
When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.
Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront? Since when has parking a car been illegal? There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen. Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...
It is illegal to park on pavements and in cycle lanes. The last time this mob turned up they did exactly that and in so doing endangered the lives of pedestrians and cyclists alike. These people have already shown they have no regard for the law or other seafront users. So as far as I am concerned Southend Council have my full support in doing whatever they can to prevent this illegal 'event' from happening.
I see noteworthys comment was asking why it is an illegal event, not why is it illegal to park in a cycle lane. Apart from people parking in cycle lanes, could you explain to me why you are so against a small, but needed boost to the local businesses? dont tar us all with the same brush, we are not all kids in rattly cars, 90% are enthusiasts, just like im sure your an enthusiastic cyclist, and you wouldnt want to be put in the same category as the ignorant cyclists that cut lights and blame everything on the car driver when you hog a lane and they pass too close!
Seconded
Peter245 & Noteworthy:

What about the cruisers that put oil down on the road and preform burn outs?

Is that the right kind of action to be under taking on a public road, do you noe know that the oil can eat into the road surface resulting in a costly repair funded nit by out of town cruisers but by the council tax payer of Southend.

Why not have the event go ahead but all those what want to take park have to pay £25 to the council for a permit to display their car, £15 is kept by the council to help cover the cost of the litter left behind and any repairs needed to the road, the other £10 is donated to charity. Any car not displaying a permit is immediatly removed and impounded a £350 fine is issued failure to pay within a week will see the car scrapped.

These cruisers think they rule the road and that they can do what they want when they want well kids you do not, why not hire an airfield or something for your events.
but the few that dont abide by the law should be punished, And I welcome a parking fee, not to display the car, as its a public space. I welcome a few quid more for LOCAL charities such as the lifeboat, I welcome that any car parked illegally, dare I say it, in the cycle lane or elsewhere should be clamped, removed or the usual penalty charge notice. Obviously the law should be abided by, but an event should not be cancelled because of very few that spoil it.

I for one will abide the law at any such event, as I do in my day to day driving. I'm not a "perfect" driver, but I am safe and responsible. But anybody that pours oil onto the road should be made to pay for the road, and I do not condone it in any way. If all are sensible, it should go off without a hitch. The only thing I can see affecting local residents is the traffic.
[quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman-Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane![/p][/quote]FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.[/p][/quote]When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.[/p][/quote]Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront? Since when has parking a car been illegal? There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen. Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...[/p][/quote]It is illegal to park on pavements and in cycle lanes. The last time this mob turned up they did exactly that and in so doing endangered the lives of pedestrians and cyclists alike. These people have already shown they have no regard for the law or other seafront users. So as far as I am concerned Southend Council have my full support in doing whatever they can to prevent this illegal 'event' from happening.[/p][/quote]I see noteworthys comment was asking why it is an illegal event, not why is it illegal to park in a cycle lane. Apart from people parking in cycle lanes, could you explain to me why you are so against a small, but needed boost to the local businesses? dont tar us all with the same brush, we are not all kids in rattly cars, 90% are enthusiasts, just like im sure your an enthusiastic cyclist, and you wouldnt want to be put in the same category as the ignorant cyclists that cut lights and blame everything on the car driver when you hog a lane and they pass too close![/p][/quote]Seconded[/p][/quote]Peter245 & Noteworthy: What about the cruisers that put oil down on the road and preform burn outs? Is that the right kind of action to be under taking on a public road, do you noe know that the oil can eat into the road surface resulting in a costly repair funded nit by out of town cruisers but by the council tax payer of Southend. Why not have the event go ahead but all those what want to take park have to pay £25 to the council for a permit to display their car, £15 is kept by the council to help cover the cost of the litter left behind and any repairs needed to the road, the other £10 is donated to charity. Any car not displaying a permit is immediatly removed and impounded a £350 fine is issued failure to pay within a week will see the car scrapped. These cruisers think they rule the road and that they can do what they want when they want well kids you do not, why not hire an airfield or something for your events.[/p][/quote]but the few that dont abide by the law should be punished, And I welcome a parking fee, not to display the car, as its a public space. I welcome a few quid more for LOCAL charities such as the lifeboat, I welcome that any car parked illegally, dare I say it, in the cycle lane or elsewhere should be clamped, removed or the usual penalty charge notice. Obviously the law should be abided by, but an event should not be cancelled because of very few that spoil it. I for one will abide the law at any such event, as I do in my day to day driving. I'm not a "perfect" driver, but I am safe and responsible. But anybody that pours oil onto the road should be made to pay for the road, and I do not condone it in any way. If all are sensible, it should go off without a hitch. The only thing I can see affecting local residents is the traffic. Peter245
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6:29pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Peter245 says...

>>>Shouldn't be punished....
>>>Shouldn't be punished.... Peter245
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6:30pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Peter245 says...

Peter245 wrote:
>>>Shouldn'
t be punished....
scrap that, I read my own comment wrong
[quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: >>>Shouldn' t be punished....[/p][/quote]scrap that, I read my own comment wrong Peter245
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6:42pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Peter245 says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Noteworthy wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
Peter245 wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!
FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.
When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.
Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront?

Since when has parking a car been illegal?

There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen.

Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...
It is illegal to park on pavements and in cycle lanes. The last time this mob turned up they did exactly that and in so doing endangered the lives of pedestrians and cyclists alike. These people have already shown they have no regard for the law or other seafront users.

So as far as I am concerned Southend Council have my full support in doing whatever they can to prevent this illegal 'event' from happening.
I see noteworthys comment was asking why it is an illegal event, not why is it illegal to park in a cycle lane.

Apart from people parking in cycle lanes, could you explain to me why you are so against a small, but needed boost to the local businesses?

dont tar us all with the same brush, we are not all kids in rattly cars, 90% are enthusiasts, just like im sure your an enthusiastic cyclist, and you wouldnt want to be put in the same category as the ignorant cyclists that cut lights and blame everything on the car driver when you hog a lane and they pass too close!
'Hog a lane'? I see, you think it's YOUR lane, and only YOU should be hogging it, is that it?

I already explained why it's an illegal event earlier. But I'll do it again.

Have the organisers obtained permission from Southend Council to close off the seafront?

No.

Have the organisers taken out liability insurance to cover this 'event'?

No.

Have the organisers informed the police and set up proper policing for the event?

No.

Have the organisers arranged event marshals to ensure the event remains within the law and no member of the public is put at risk?

No.

This is not an organised event, it's just trouble making rabble thinking they can ignore the law.
Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!

And as I have told you, and will tell you again...

"have the organisers obtained permission from Southend council to close off the seafront? NO"

Your right, they haven't, But the seafront will not be CLOSED! Just all the parking bays will be full. A parking bay and the number of them are there for that exact reason, TO PARK LOTS OF CARS!

"Have the organisers taken out liability insurance to cover this 'event'? NO"

Again, correct, why does a public 'gathering' have to have any insurance? If a car comes off the road and strikes a pedestrian, the insurance is covered by the vehicle driver at fault!

"Have the organisers informed the police and set up proper policing for this event? NO"

Again correct, The police do not need to know if a group of people are meeting, unless the law is being broken.

"Have the organisers arranged event marshals to ensure the eventremains within the law and no member of the pubic is put at risk? NO"

Again, there is no need, if there is an accident, it is just that, an accident. If someone is harmed deliberately, then it should be investigated. You cant guarantee people won't act like idiots, the police and marshals can only ask them to.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane![/p][/quote]FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.[/p][/quote]When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.[/p][/quote]Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront? Since when has parking a car been illegal? There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen. Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...[/p][/quote]It is illegal to park on pavements and in cycle lanes. The last time this mob turned up they did exactly that and in so doing endangered the lives of pedestrians and cyclists alike. These people have already shown they have no regard for the law or other seafront users. So as far as I am concerned Southend Council have my full support in doing whatever they can to prevent this illegal 'event' from happening.[/p][/quote]I see noteworthys comment was asking why it is an illegal event, not why is it illegal to park in a cycle lane. Apart from people parking in cycle lanes, could you explain to me why you are so against a small, but needed boost to the local businesses? dont tar us all with the same brush, we are not all kids in rattly cars, 90% are enthusiasts, just like im sure your an enthusiastic cyclist, and you wouldnt want to be put in the same category as the ignorant cyclists that cut lights and blame everything on the car driver when you hog a lane and they pass too close![/p][/quote]'Hog a lane'? I see, you think it's YOUR lane, and only YOU should be hogging it, is that it? I already explained why it's an illegal event earlier. But I'll do it again. Have the organisers obtained permission from Southend Council to close off the seafront? No. Have the organisers taken out liability insurance to cover this 'event'? No. Have the organisers informed the police and set up proper policing for the event? No. Have the organisers arranged event marshals to ensure the event remains within the law and no member of the public is put at risk? No. This is not an organised event, it's just trouble making rabble thinking they can ignore the law.[/p][/quote]Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane! And as I have told you, and will tell you again... "have the organisers obtained permission from Southend council to close off the seafront? NO" Your right, they haven't, But the seafront will not be CLOSED! Just all the parking bays will be full. A parking bay and the number of them are there for that exact reason, TO PARK LOTS OF CARS! "Have the organisers taken out liability insurance to cover this 'event'? NO" Again, correct, why does a public 'gathering' have to have any insurance? If a car comes off the road and strikes a pedestrian, the insurance is covered by the vehicle driver at fault! "Have the organisers informed the police and set up proper policing for this event? NO" Again correct, The police do not need to know if a group of people are meeting, unless the law is being broken. "Have the organisers arranged event marshals to ensure the eventremains within the law and no member of the pubic is put at risk? NO" Again, there is no need, if there is an accident, it is just that, an accident. If someone is harmed deliberately, then it should be investigated. You cant guarantee people won't act like idiots, the police and marshals can only ask them to. Peter245
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6:53pm Tue 5 Feb 13

rayleigh123 says...

BOTTOM, BOTTOM LINE - If the vehicles are taxed, MOT and insured why should anyone stop someone using their vehicle on a public highway. If however they break the law they should be prosecutaed - thats why we have a police force. Just because the council does not like it - SHAME.
BOTTOM, BOTTOM LINE - If the vehicles are taxed, MOT and insured why should anyone stop someone using their vehicle on a public highway. If however they break the law they should be prosecutaed - thats why we have a police force. Just because the council does not like it - SHAME. rayleigh123
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6:59pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Peter245 says...

rayleigh123 wrote:
BOTTOM, BOTTOM LINE - If the vehicles are taxed, MOT and insured why should anyone stop someone using their vehicle on a public highway. If however they break the law they should be prosecutaed - thats why we have a police force. Just because the council does not like it - SHAME.
Agree with you 100%
[quote][p][bold]rayleigh123[/bold] wrote: BOTTOM, BOTTOM LINE - If the vehicles are taxed, MOT and insured why should anyone stop someone using their vehicle on a public highway. If however they break the law they should be prosecutaed - thats why we have a police force. Just because the council does not like it - SHAME.[/p][/quote]Agree with you 100% Peter245
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7:01pm Tue 5 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

Peter245 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Noteworthy wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
Peter245 wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!
FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.
When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.
Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront?

Since when has parking a car been illegal?

There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen.

Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...
It is illegal to park on pavements and in cycle lanes. The last time this mob turned up they did exactly that and in so doing endangered the lives of pedestrians and cyclists alike. These people have already shown they have no regard for the law or other seafront users.

So as far as I am concerned Southend Council have my full support in doing whatever they can to prevent this illegal 'event' from happening.
I see noteworthys comment was asking why it is an illegal event, not why is it illegal to park in a cycle lane.

Apart from people parking in cycle lanes, could you explain to me why you are so against a small, but needed boost to the local businesses?

dont tar us all with the same brush, we are not all kids in rattly cars, 90% are enthusiasts, just like im sure your an enthusiastic cyclist, and you wouldnt want to be put in the same category as the ignorant cyclists that cut lights and blame everything on the car driver when you hog a lane and they pass too close!
'Hog a lane'? I see, you think it's YOUR lane, and only YOU should be hogging it, is that it?

I already explained why it's an illegal event earlier. But I'll do it again.

Have the organisers obtained permission from Southend Council to close off the seafront?

No.

Have the organisers taken out liability insurance to cover this 'event'?

No.

Have the organisers informed the police and set up proper policing for the event?

No.

Have the organisers arranged event marshals to ensure the event remains within the law and no member of the public is put at risk?

No.

This is not an organised event, it's just trouble making rabble thinking they can ignore the law.
Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!

And as I have told you, and will tell you again...

"have the organisers obtained permission from Southend council to close off the seafront? NO"

Your right, they haven't, But the seafront will not be CLOSED! Just all the parking bays will be full. A parking bay and the number of them are there for that exact reason, TO PARK LOTS OF CARS!

"Have the organisers taken out liability insurance to cover this 'event'? NO"

Again, correct, why does a public 'gathering' have to have any insurance? If a car comes off the road and strikes a pedestrian, the insurance is covered by the vehicle driver at fault!

"Have the organisers informed the police and set up proper policing for this event? NO"

Again correct, The police do not need to know if a group of people are meeting, unless the law is being broken.

"Have the organisers arranged event marshals to ensure the eventremains within the law and no member of the pubic is put at risk? NO"

Again, there is no need, if there is an accident, it is just that, an accident. If someone is harmed deliberately, then it should be investigated. You cant guarantee people won't act like idiots, the police and marshals can only ask them to.
Quite right. Can't see anything ileagal here, even the parking
[quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane![/p][/quote]FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.[/p][/quote]When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.[/p][/quote]Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront? Since when has parking a car been illegal? There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen. Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...[/p][/quote]It is illegal to park on pavements and in cycle lanes. The last time this mob turned up they did exactly that and in so doing endangered the lives of pedestrians and cyclists alike. These people have already shown they have no regard for the law or other seafront users. So as far as I am concerned Southend Council have my full support in doing whatever they can to prevent this illegal 'event' from happening.[/p][/quote]I see noteworthys comment was asking why it is an illegal event, not why is it illegal to park in a cycle lane. Apart from people parking in cycle lanes, could you explain to me why you are so against a small, but needed boost to the local businesses? dont tar us all with the same brush, we are not all kids in rattly cars, 90% are enthusiasts, just like im sure your an enthusiastic cyclist, and you wouldnt want to be put in the same category as the ignorant cyclists that cut lights and blame everything on the car driver when you hog a lane and they pass too close![/p][/quote]'Hog a lane'? I see, you think it's YOUR lane, and only YOU should be hogging it, is that it? I already explained why it's an illegal event earlier. But I'll do it again. Have the organisers obtained permission from Southend Council to close off the seafront? No. Have the organisers taken out liability insurance to cover this 'event'? No. Have the organisers informed the police and set up proper policing for the event? No. Have the organisers arranged event marshals to ensure the event remains within the law and no member of the public is put at risk? No. This is not an organised event, it's just trouble making rabble thinking they can ignore the law.[/p][/quote]Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane! And as I have told you, and will tell you again... "have the organisers obtained permission from Southend council to close off the seafront? NO" Your right, they haven't, But the seafront will not be CLOSED! Just all the parking bays will be full. A parking bay and the number of them are there for that exact reason, TO PARK LOTS OF CARS! "Have the organisers taken out liability insurance to cover this 'event'? NO" Again, correct, why does a public 'gathering' have to have any insurance? If a car comes off the road and strikes a pedestrian, the insurance is covered by the vehicle driver at fault! "Have the organisers informed the police and set up proper policing for this event? NO" Again correct, The police do not need to know if a group of people are meeting, unless the law is being broken. "Have the organisers arranged event marshals to ensure the eventremains within the law and no member of the pubic is put at risk? NO" Again, there is no need, if there is an accident, it is just that, an accident. If someone is harmed deliberately, then it should be investigated. You cant guarantee people won't act like idiots, the police and marshals can only ask them to.[/p][/quote]Quite right. Can't see anything ileagal here, even the parking stopmoaning1
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7:03pm Tue 5 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Noteworthy wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
Peter245 wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!
FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.
When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.
Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront?

Since when has parking a car been illegal?

There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen.

Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...
It is illegal to park on pavements and in cycle lanes. The last time this mob turned up they did exactly that and in so doing endangered the lives of pedestrians and cyclists alike. These people have already shown they have no regard for the law or other seafront users.

So as far as I am concerned Southend Council have my full support in doing whatever they can to prevent this illegal 'event' from happening.
Not illegal, de-criminalised remember
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane![/p][/quote]FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.[/p][/quote]When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.[/p][/quote]Can you tell me why it's an illegal event? So cars are not allowed to park in spaces on the seafront? Since when has parking a car been illegal? There is nothing illegal about it - this injunction seeks to stop perceived problems, which are not proven to happen. Apparently in addition to calling me a moron, and having me up for attempted manslaughter, I'm now a selfish law-breaker...[/p][/quote]It is illegal to park on pavements and in cycle lanes. The last time this mob turned up they did exactly that and in so doing endangered the lives of pedestrians and cyclists alike. These people have already shown they have no regard for the law or other seafront users. So as far as I am concerned Southend Council have my full support in doing whatever they can to prevent this illegal 'event' from happening.[/p][/quote]Not illegal, de-criminalised remember stopmoaning1
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7:36pm Tue 5 Feb 13

psorias says...

mys842 wrote:
I support keeping them away, if only in the interests of allowing free-flowing traffic. Why whould Southend residents have to avoid driving along the seafront to their homes or into town because they feel intimidated by a load of people revving their engines. Talk to anyone from outside Essex and the association of Southend and boy racers is overwhelming. In no way is this association seen as positive!
Your comments could be relevant to any event i.e the olympic torch that came through many towns, carnivals, not to mention festivals like Reading and Glastonbury. I love to go to the classic car show in Walton and I'm 50 year old woman. Car enthusiasts were coming to show off their cars down Southend seafront back in the 70's when I was a girl and that is where I realised I was a car enthusiast as well - it led to many happy days at arena essex watching banger racing, Santa pod watching dragsters and brands hatch - these days how many 17 year old boy racers can afford a car let alone petrol - most people with nice cars to show off have to have a job to fund their hobby and are not out for trouble.
In these days why can't we let people have a bit of fun
[quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: I support keeping them away, if only in the interests of allowing free-flowing traffic. Why whould Southend residents have to avoid driving along the seafront to their homes or into town because they feel intimidated by a load of people revving their engines. Talk to anyone from outside Essex and the association of Southend and boy racers is overwhelming. In no way is this association seen as positive![/p][/quote]Your comments could be relevant to any event i.e the olympic torch that came through many towns, carnivals, not to mention festivals like Reading and Glastonbury. I love to go to the classic car show in Walton and I'm 50 year old woman. Car enthusiasts were coming to show off their cars down Southend seafront back in the 70's when I was a girl and that is where I realised I was a car enthusiast as well - it led to many happy days at arena essex watching banger racing, Santa pod watching dragsters and brands hatch - these days how many 17 year old boy racers can afford a car let alone petrol - most people with nice cars to show off have to have a job to fund their hobby and are not out for trouble. In these days why can't we let people have a bit of fun psorias
  • Score: 1

8:04pm Tue 5 Feb 13

chunkus10 says...

soo let me get this right.... they scrap the airshow so traders lose out, now they wanna stop people coming to southend from all over the southeast to spend there money!! sounds to me that they are trying kill southend all together!! WELL DONE SBC....what next the xmas lights!!
soo let me get this right.... they scrap the airshow so traders lose out, now they wanna stop people coming to southend from all over the southeast to spend there money!! sounds to me that they are trying kill southend all together!! WELL DONE SBC....what next the xmas lights!! chunkus10
  • Score: 0

8:57pm Tue 5 Feb 13

jolllyboy says...

When they allowed any racers along the sea front they left it open for this. You have to have none or all.
This is a danger not fun. there are better places than here.
When they allowed any racers along the sea front they left it open for this. You have to have none or all. This is a danger not fun. there are better places than here. jolllyboy
  • Score: -1

9:27pm Tue 5 Feb 13

siddymint says...

1000 drivers plus at least 1 passenger thats 2000 plus proberbly 1000 spectoars .
How much would it cost southend council in advertising to get 3,000 people on the seafront in the closed season.
Like it or not its trade and thats what the seafornt is about .
Don't like it don't go simple.
echo should name those who have asked the town clerk to take the action
1000 drivers plus at least 1 passenger thats 2000 plus proberbly 1000 spectoars . How much would it cost southend council in advertising to get 3,000 people on the seafront in the closed season. Like it or not its trade and thats what the seafornt is about . Don't like it don't go simple. echo should name those who have asked the town clerk to take the action siddymint
  • Score: 1

11:16pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Joe Wildman-Clark says...

So the council tax payers of Southend are forced to stay away from their seafront whist a group of yobbish out of towners drive like nutters, leave mounds of rubbish and then leave the clean up bill to the council tax payer of Southend. Why not charge the yoofs £25the money is paid to SBC to help cover the cost of damages and cleaning up the mess, better still keep the yoofs away as they are all skint as all the money they had from mummy and daddy has been spent on their stupid boom box on wheels.
So the council tax payers of Southend are forced to stay away from their seafront whist a group of yobbish out of towners drive like nutters, leave mounds of rubbish and then leave the clean up bill to the council tax payer of Southend. Why not charge the yoofs £25the money is paid to SBC to help cover the cost of damages and cleaning up the mess, better still keep the yoofs away as they are all skint as all the money they had from mummy and daddy has been spent on their stupid boom box on wheels. Joe Wildman-Clark
  • Score: 0

11:32pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!"

No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists:

http://www.iam.org.u
k/media-and-research
/media-centre/news-a
rchive/452-cyclists-
claim-your-lane-says
-iam

But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.
Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!" No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists: http://www.iam.org.u k/media-and-research /media-centre/news-a rchive/452-cyclists- claim-your-lane-says -iam But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that. Shoebury_Cyclist
  • Score: -2

11:56pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Joe Wildman-Clark says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!"

No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists:

http://www.iam.org.u

k/media-and-research

/media-centre/news-a

rchive/452-cyclists-

claim-your-lane-says

-iam

But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.
Can they actually read!
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!" No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists: http://www.iam.org.u k/media-and-research /media-centre/news-a rchive/452-cyclists- claim-your-lane-says -iam But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.[/p][/quote]Can they actually read! Joe Wildman-Clark
  • Score: 0

2:11am Wed 6 Feb 13

b.c2456 says...

Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
So the council tax payers of Southend are forced to stay away from their seafront whist a group of yobbish out of towners drive like nutters, leave mounds of rubbish and then leave the clean up bill to the council tax payer of Southend. Why not charge the yoofs £25the money is paid to SBC to help cover the cost of damages and cleaning up the mess, better still keep the yoofs away as they are all skint as all the money they had from mummy and daddy has been spent on their stupid boom box on wheels.
The tax payers of southend are not forced to stay away from 'their' seafront. I am a southend tax payer and will not be staying away, its your own choice if you stay away or not. These events have a nice atmosphere; families, couples and friends come down.

The car enthusiasts do not drive like nutters because a) there are speed cameras b) the sea front is busy and c) have respect for their cars.

I don't like the way you refer to everyone as 'yobbish out of towners'... I live in Southend as do many other people I know who enjoy these events. I am not a 'yob'. If you got into a flash or modified car and went on a drive on the seafront does that make you a yob too? It's great how you discriminate people before you have even spoken to them. If you came into the shop I work in and I served you, you would find me a very descent person.

It's only on for 2 hours anyway so I don't know what all the fuss is about. You can still get around southend without using the seafront.

A lot of people who attend these events spend a lot of time and money on their cars and therefore need a job to fund them. It's not always mummy and daddys money and even if it is, why can't they spend it on their cars? It's not your choice.
[quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman-Clark[/bold] wrote: So the council tax payers of Southend are forced to stay away from their seafront whist a group of yobbish out of towners drive like nutters, leave mounds of rubbish and then leave the clean up bill to the council tax payer of Southend. Why not charge the yoofs £25the money is paid to SBC to help cover the cost of damages and cleaning up the mess, better still keep the yoofs away as they are all skint as all the money they had from mummy and daddy has been spent on their stupid boom box on wheels.[/p][/quote]The tax payers of southend are not forced to stay away from 'their' seafront. I am a southend tax payer and will not be staying away, its your own choice if you stay away or not. These events have a nice atmosphere; families, couples and friends come down. The car enthusiasts do not drive like nutters because a) there are speed cameras b) the sea front is busy and c) have respect for their cars. I don't like the way you refer to everyone as 'yobbish out of towners'... I live in Southend as do many other people I know who enjoy these events. I am not a 'yob'. If you got into a flash or modified car and went on a drive on the seafront does that make you a yob too? It's great how you discriminate people before you have even spoken to them. If you came into the shop I work in and I served you, you would find me a very descent person. It's only on for 2 hours anyway so I don't know what all the fuss is about. You can still get around southend without using the seafront. A lot of people who attend these events spend a lot of time and money on their cars and therefore need a job to fund them. It's not always mummy and daddys money and even if it is, why can't they spend it on their cars? It's not your choice. b.c2456
  • Score: 0

10:32am Wed 6 Feb 13

Peter245 says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!"

No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists:

http://www.iam.org.u

k/media-and-research

/media-centre/news-a

rchive/452-cyclists-

claim-your-lane-says

-iam

But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.
For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!" No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists: http://www.iam.org.u k/media-and-research /media-centre/news-a rchive/452-cyclists- claim-your-lane-says -iam But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.[/p][/quote]For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense. Peter245
  • Score: 1

10:38am Wed 6 Feb 13

Peter245 says...

Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
So the council tax payers of Southend are forced to stay away from their seafront whist a group of yobbish out of towners drive like nutters, leave mounds of rubbish and then leave the clean up bill to the council tax payer of Southend. Why not charge the yoofs £25the money is paid to SBC to help cover the cost of damages and cleaning up the mess, better still keep the yoofs away as they are all skint as all the money they had from mummy and daddy has been spent on their stupid boom box on wheels.
Why so quick to jump to conclusions about people. Not all car enthusiasts are 17 years old, some are older men and women. Why should we pay an entry fee to get into a public space. I wouldn't complain if I had to pay for parking. I dont see what all the fuss is about. Nobody is forced to stay away from "their" seafront, and the out of towners are the people that keep Southend alive by coming and spending money. we are not all youths, only a small percentage are.
[quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman-Clark[/bold] wrote: So the council tax payers of Southend are forced to stay away from their seafront whist a group of yobbish out of towners drive like nutters, leave mounds of rubbish and then leave the clean up bill to the council tax payer of Southend. Why not charge the yoofs £25the money is paid to SBC to help cover the cost of damages and cleaning up the mess, better still keep the yoofs away as they are all skint as all the money they had from mummy and daddy has been spent on their stupid boom box on wheels.[/p][/quote]Why so quick to jump to conclusions about people. Not all car enthusiasts are 17 years old, some are older men and women. Why should we pay an entry fee to get into a public space. I wouldn't complain if I had to pay for parking. I dont see what all the fuss is about. Nobody is forced to stay away from "their" seafront, and the out of towners are the people that keep Southend alive by coming and spending money. we are not all youths, only a small percentage are. Peter245
  • Score: 0

10:41am Wed 6 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Peter245 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!"

No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists:

http://www.iam.org.u


k/media-and-research


/media-centre/news-a


rchive/452-cyclists-


claim-your-lane-says


-iam

But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.
For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.
I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.
[quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!" No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists: http://www.iam.org.u k/media-and-research /media-centre/news-a rchive/452-cyclists- claim-your-lane-says -iam But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.[/p][/quote]For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.[/p][/quote]I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code. Shoebury_Cyclist
  • Score: -1

10:48am Wed 6 Feb 13

Peter245 says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!"

No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists:

http://www.iam.org.u



k/media-and-research



/media-centre/news-a



rchive/452-cyclists-



claim-your-lane-says



-iam

But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.
For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.
I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.
You tried to insult me by calling me a "boy racer". I have no interest in the highway code for cycling. I'm sure you will be there collecting evidence of how much of a nuisance these "boy racers" are, simply because you have nothing better to do.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!" No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists: http://www.iam.org.u k/media-and-research /media-centre/news-a rchive/452-cyclists- claim-your-lane-says -iam But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.[/p][/quote]For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.[/p][/quote]I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.[/p][/quote]You tried to insult me by calling me a "boy racer". I have no interest in the highway code for cycling. I'm sure you will be there collecting evidence of how much of a nuisance these "boy racers" are, simply because you have nothing better to do. Peter245
  • Score: 1

11:17am Wed 6 Feb 13

Alekhine says...

These cruisers think they rule the road and that they can do what they want when they want well kids you do not, why not hire an airfield or something for your events.
....
Only in your own mind...If you have ever been to an event, whether held at an airfield or not, you would realise that most of the highly tuned/valuable cars spend most of their lives in a garage. How can that be ruling the road?
These cruisers think they rule the road and that they can do what they want when they want well kids you do not, why not hire an airfield or something for your events. .... Only in your own mind...If you have ever been to an event, whether held at an airfield or not, you would realise that most of the highly tuned/valuable cars spend most of their lives in a garage. How can that be ruling the road? Alekhine
  • Score: -1

11:50am Wed 6 Feb 13

Nebs says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!
FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.
When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic.


I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk.


I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.
Cyclists riding illegally on the pavement????

You mean like the chap in this video, taken along the seafront in southend, who had his cycle path blocked and so decided to ride along the pavement, rather than getting off and walking 20 yards. And at 28 seconds the cyclist forces pedestrians to check their stride, as the cyclist has to go first. I wonder if any readers can work out who the cyclist is?

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=9IJnPMSj3
Xs

I accept that the lorry was parked illegally, but the cyclist was a danger to pedestrians and should have walked the short distance. They should both have been given a ticket.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane![/p][/quote]FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.[/p][/quote]When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.[/p][/quote]Cyclists riding illegally on the pavement???? You mean like the chap in this video, taken along the seafront in southend, who had his cycle path blocked and so decided to ride along the pavement, rather than getting off and walking 20 yards. And at 28 seconds the cyclist forces pedestrians to check their stride, as the cyclist has to go first. I wonder if any readers can work out who the cyclist is? http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=9IJnPMSj3 Xs I accept that the lorry was parked illegally, but the cyclist was a danger to pedestrians and should have walked the short distance. They should both have been given a ticket. Nebs
  • Score: 1

11:51am Wed 6 Feb 13

b.c2456 says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!"

No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists:

http://www.iam.org.u



k/media-and-research



/media-centre/news-a



rchive/452-cyclists-



claim-your-lane-says



-iam

But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.
For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.
I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.
And many cyclists don't know the Highway code as they feel the need to ride along the pavement when they should be using the road. You don't see cars driving on the pavement or down the high street do you?
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!" No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists: http://www.iam.org.u k/media-and-research /media-centre/news-a rchive/452-cyclists- claim-your-lane-says -iam But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.[/p][/quote]For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.[/p][/quote]I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.[/p][/quote]And many cyclists don't know the Highway code as they feel the need to ride along the pavement when they should be using the road. You don't see cars driving on the pavement or down the high street do you? b.c2456
  • Score: 1

12:16pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Nebs wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane!
FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.
When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic.


I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk.


I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.
Cyclists riding illegally on the pavement????

You mean like the chap in this video, taken along the seafront in southend, who had his cycle path blocked and so decided to ride along the pavement, rather than getting off and walking 20 yards. And at 28 seconds the cyclist forces pedestrians to check their stride, as the cyclist has to go first. I wonder if any readers can work out who the cyclist is?

http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=9IJnPMSj3

Xs

I accept that the lorry was parked illegally, but the cyclist was a danger to pedestrians and should have walked the short distance. They should both have been given a ticket.
I did dismount. Prove I didn't.
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: Plis your baseball bat comment proves you are a moron. hitting someone with a baseball bat is deliberately inflicting injury on someone through your actions 100%. Whereas a cyclist that rides in the road and gets hit by a car could have avoided doing so by pushing/riding along the pavement and wearing reflective gear and lights on the bike, if that is the case and you are still struck by a car, then its an unfortunate accident not caused by the car owner that has parked in a cycle lane![/p][/quote]FFS how difficult is it to avoid cycling into a parked car? I bet it is easier than swerving around a light jumping cyclist.[/p][/quote]When that car is blocking the entire width of the Western Esplanade two-way cycle lane it is very difficult to avoid. It forces cyclists into either riding illegally on the pavement and putting pedestrians at risk, or riding in the road against the flow of traffic. I'll will reiterate, the people who take part in these illegal events are selfish lw-breakers who deliberately put the lives of others at risk. I fully support Southend Council in their efforts to prevent this law-breaking mob endangering people on the seafront.[/p][/quote]Cyclists riding illegally on the pavement???? You mean like the chap in this video, taken along the seafront in southend, who had his cycle path blocked and so decided to ride along the pavement, rather than getting off and walking 20 yards. And at 28 seconds the cyclist forces pedestrians to check their stride, as the cyclist has to go first. I wonder if any readers can work out who the cyclist is? http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=9IJnPMSj3 Xs I accept that the lorry was parked illegally, but the cyclist was a danger to pedestrians and should have walked the short distance. They should both have been given a ticket.[/p][/quote]I did dismount. Prove I didn't. Shoebury_Cyclist
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12:17pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

b.c2456 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!"

No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists:

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-iam

But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.
For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.
I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.
And many cyclists don't know the Highway code as they feel the need to ride along the pavement when they should be using the road. You don't see cars driving on the pavement or down the high street do you?
Every single car you see parked on a pavement was driven there. That's many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day.
[quote][p][bold]b.c2456[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!" No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists: http://www.iam.org.u k/media-and-research /media-centre/news-a rchive/452-cyclists- claim-your-lane-says -iam But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.[/p][/quote]For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.[/p][/quote]I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.[/p][/quote]And many cyclists don't know the Highway code as they feel the need to ride along the pavement when they should be using the road. You don't see cars driving on the pavement or down the high street do you?[/p][/quote]Every single car you see parked on a pavement was driven there. That's many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day. Shoebury_Cyclist
  • Score: -1

12:18pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Peter245 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!"

No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists:

http://www.iam.org.u




k/media-and-research




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-iam

But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.
For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.
I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.
You tried to insult me by calling me a "boy racer". I have no interest in the highway code for cycling. I'm sure you will be there collecting evidence of how much of a nuisance these "boy racers" are, simply because you have nothing better to do.
The Highway Code is for ALL road users. That you say you have 'no interest in the Highway Code' proves you are an irresponsible and dangerous driver.
[quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!" No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists: http://www.iam.org.u k/media-and-research /media-centre/news-a rchive/452-cyclists- claim-your-lane-says -iam But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.[/p][/quote]For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.[/p][/quote]I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.[/p][/quote]You tried to insult me by calling me a "boy racer". I have no interest in the highway code for cycling. I'm sure you will be there collecting evidence of how much of a nuisance these "boy racers" are, simply because you have nothing better to do.[/p][/quote]The Highway Code is for ALL road users. That you say you have 'no interest in the Highway Code' proves you are an irresponsible and dangerous driver. Shoebury_Cyclist
  • Score: -1

12:36pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Peter245 says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!"

No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists:

http://www.iam.org.u





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-iam

But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.
For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.
I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.
You tried to insult me by calling me a "boy racer". I have no interest in the highway code for cycling. I'm sure you will be there collecting evidence of how much of a nuisance these "boy racers" are, simply because you have nothing better to do.
The Highway Code is for ALL road users. That you say you have 'no interest in the Highway Code' proves you are an irresponsible and dangerous driver.
Please quote me correctly, I said "I have no interest in the highway code for cycling". I Know the higway code for when driving a motor vehicle, and have proved my ability to drive by passing a driving TEST, Multiple times for multiple different classes of vehicles.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!" No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists: http://www.iam.org.u k/media-and-research /media-centre/news-a rchive/452-cyclists- claim-your-lane-says -iam But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.[/p][/quote]For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.[/p][/quote]I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.[/p][/quote]You tried to insult me by calling me a "boy racer". I have no interest in the highway code for cycling. I'm sure you will be there collecting evidence of how much of a nuisance these "boy racers" are, simply because you have nothing better to do.[/p][/quote]The Highway Code is for ALL road users. That you say you have 'no interest in the Highway Code' proves you are an irresponsible and dangerous driver.[/p][/quote]Please quote me correctly, I said "I have no interest in the highway code for cycling". I Know the higway code for when driving a motor vehicle, and have proved my ability to drive by passing a driving TEST, Multiple times for multiple different classes of vehicles. Peter245
  • Score: 1

12:44pm Wed 6 Feb 13

b.c2456 says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
b.c2456 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!"

No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists:

http://www.iam.org.u





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-iam

But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.
For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.
I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.
And many cyclists don't know the Highway code as they feel the need to ride along the pavement when they should be using the road. You don't see cars driving on the pavement or down the high street do you?
Every single car you see parked on a pavement was driven there. That's many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day.
I am not talking about cars being parked on the pavement, I am talking about cars being physically driven the whole stretch of the road on the pavement. It doesn't happen. Whereas cyclists ride their bikes on the pavement for instance when there is traffic...

I've just spent the last 20 mins flicking through some guys videos on youtube pointing out all the cars that park on the pavement, in the cycle lane etc, but he chooses to cycle on the pavement and not the road nearly colliding with a person at one point.

As you said "many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day" exactly the same can be said about cyclists riding on pavements......
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]b.c2456[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!" No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists: http://www.iam.org.u k/media-and-research /media-centre/news-a rchive/452-cyclists- claim-your-lane-says -iam But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.[/p][/quote]For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.[/p][/quote]I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.[/p][/quote]And many cyclists don't know the Highway code as they feel the need to ride along the pavement when they should be using the road. You don't see cars driving on the pavement or down the high street do you?[/p][/quote]Every single car you see parked on a pavement was driven there. That's many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day.[/p][/quote]I am not talking about cars being parked on the pavement, I am talking about cars being physically driven the whole stretch of the road on the pavement. It doesn't happen. Whereas cyclists ride their bikes on the pavement for instance when there is traffic... I've just spent the last 20 mins flicking through some guys videos on youtube pointing out all the cars that park on the pavement, in the cycle lane etc, but he chooses to cycle on the pavement and not the road nearly colliding with a person at one point. As you said "many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day" exactly the same can be said about cyclists riding on pavements...... b.c2456
  • Score: 0

12:54pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Noteworthy says...

Shoebury Cyclist - I'm not going to quote because I'm not adding to the endless quotes on here... but you're right - for the reasons you stated, obviously it's an illegal event.

Thanks for pointing it out. Next time I go to shop, I must phone the supermarket first for permission to park in the car park

Oh, and I must inform the police that I will be leaving my car there

And I must employ a marshall to stand by my car and ensure no one trips over it

And I do need to update my public liability insurance before I park my car too...

As Peter has said, those of us parked legally, what is the problem you have?

And as an aside - you say that public liability insurance is needed? It's a car driving on a road, covered by insurance. Do you have insurance for doing so?

And also - not a boy racer, deplore the term. Unfortunately, many seem to believe perception rather than reality.
Shoebury Cyclist - I'm not going to quote because I'm not adding to the endless quotes on here... but you're right - for the reasons you stated, obviously it's an illegal event. Thanks for pointing it out. Next time I go to shop, I must phone the supermarket first for permission to park in the car park Oh, and I must inform the police that I will be leaving my car there And I must employ a marshall to stand by my car and ensure no one trips over it And I do need to update my public liability insurance before I park my car too... As Peter has said, those of us parked legally, what is the problem you have? And as an aside - you say that public liability insurance is needed? It's a car driving on a road, covered by insurance. Do you have insurance for doing so? And also - not a boy racer, deplore the term. Unfortunately, many seem to believe perception rather than reality. Noteworthy
  • Score: 1

1:07pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

b.c2456 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
b.c2456 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!"

No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists:

http://www.iam.org.u






k/media-and-research






/media-centre/news-a






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-iam

But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.
For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.
I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.
And many cyclists don't know the Highway code as they feel the need to ride along the pavement when they should be using the road. You don't see cars driving on the pavement or down the high street do you?
Every single car you see parked on a pavement was driven there. That's many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day.
I am not talking about cars being parked on the pavement, I am talking about cars being physically driven the whole stretch of the road on the pavement. It doesn't happen. Whereas cyclists ride their bikes on the pavement for instance when there is traffic...

I've just spent the last 20 mins flicking through some guys videos on youtube pointing out all the cars that park on the pavement, in the cycle lane etc, but he chooses to cycle on the pavement and not the road nearly colliding with a person at one point.

As you said "many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day" exactly the same can be said about cyclists riding on pavements......
So driving on a pavement to park on a pavement, that's ok is it?
[quote][p][bold]b.c2456[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]b.c2456[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!" No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists: http://www.iam.org.u k/media-and-research /media-centre/news-a rchive/452-cyclists- claim-your-lane-says -iam But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.[/p][/quote]For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.[/p][/quote]I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.[/p][/quote]And many cyclists don't know the Highway code as they feel the need to ride along the pavement when they should be using the road. You don't see cars driving on the pavement or down the high street do you?[/p][/quote]Every single car you see parked on a pavement was driven there. That's many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day.[/p][/quote]I am not talking about cars being parked on the pavement, I am talking about cars being physically driven the whole stretch of the road on the pavement. It doesn't happen. Whereas cyclists ride their bikes on the pavement for instance when there is traffic... I've just spent the last 20 mins flicking through some guys videos on youtube pointing out all the cars that park on the pavement, in the cycle lane etc, but he chooses to cycle on the pavement and not the road nearly colliding with a person at one point. As you said "many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day" exactly the same can be said about cyclists riding on pavements......[/p][/quote]So driving on a pavement to park on a pavement, that's ok is it? Shoebury_Cyclist
  • Score: 0

1:21pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Noteworthy says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
b.c2456 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
b.c2456 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote: Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!" No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists: http://www.iam.org.u k/media-and-research /media-centre/news-a rchive/452-cyclists- claim-your-lane-says -iam But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.
For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.
I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.
And many cyclists don't know the Highway code as they feel the need to ride along the pavement when they should be using the road. You don't see cars driving on the pavement or down the high street do you?
Every single car you see parked on a pavement was driven there. That's many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day.
I am not talking about cars being parked on the pavement, I am talking about cars being physically driven the whole stretch of the road on the pavement. It doesn't happen. Whereas cyclists ride their bikes on the pavement for instance when there is traffic... I've just spent the last 20 mins flicking through some guys videos on youtube pointing out all the cars that park on the pavement, in the cycle lane etc, but he chooses to cycle on the pavement and not the road nearly colliding with a person at one point. As you said "many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day" exactly the same can be said about cyclists riding on pavements......
So driving on a pavement to park on a pavement, that's ok is it?
Riding on a pavement is ok is it?
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]b.c2456[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]b.c2456[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!" No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists: http://www.iam.org.u k/media-and-research /media-centre/news-a rchive/452-cyclists- claim-your-lane-says -iam But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.[/p][/quote]For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.[/p][/quote]I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.[/p][/quote]And many cyclists don't know the Highway code as they feel the need to ride along the pavement when they should be using the road. You don't see cars driving on the pavement or down the high street do you?[/p][/quote]Every single car you see parked on a pavement was driven there. That's many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day.[/p][/quote]I am not talking about cars being parked on the pavement, I am talking about cars being physically driven the whole stretch of the road on the pavement. It doesn't happen. Whereas cyclists ride their bikes on the pavement for instance when there is traffic... I've just spent the last 20 mins flicking through some guys videos on youtube pointing out all the cars that park on the pavement, in the cycle lane etc, but he chooses to cycle on the pavement and not the road nearly colliding with a person at one point. As you said "many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day" exactly the same can be said about cyclists riding on pavements......[/p][/quote]So driving on a pavement to park on a pavement, that's ok is it?[/p][/quote]Riding on a pavement is ok is it? Noteworthy
  • Score: 0

2:22pm Wed 6 Feb 13

b.c2456 says...

Noteworthy wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
b.c2456 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
b.c2456 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote: Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!" No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists: http://www.iam.org.u k/media-and-research /media-centre/news-a rchive/452-cyclists- claim-your-lane-says -iam But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.
For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.
I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.
And many cyclists don't know the Highway code as they feel the need to ride along the pavement when they should be using the road. You don't see cars driving on the pavement or down the high street do you?
Every single car you see parked on a pavement was driven there. That's many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day.
I am not talking about cars being parked on the pavement, I am talking about cars being physically driven the whole stretch of the road on the pavement. It doesn't happen. Whereas cyclists ride their bikes on the pavement for instance when there is traffic... I've just spent the last 20 mins flicking through some guys videos on youtube pointing out all the cars that park on the pavement, in the cycle lane etc, but he chooses to cycle on the pavement and not the road nearly colliding with a person at one point. As you said "many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day" exactly the same can be said about cyclists riding on pavements......
So driving on a pavement to park on a pavement, that's ok is it?
Riding on a pavement is ok is it?
I'm not saying it's ok for cars to park or drive on the pavement. If this happens the driver should get a ticket.

But it's ok for cyclists to ride on the pavement?
[quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]b.c2456[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]b.c2456[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!" No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists: http://www.iam.org.u k/media-and-research /media-centre/news-a rchive/452-cyclists- claim-your-lane-says -iam But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.[/p][/quote]For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.[/p][/quote]I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.[/p][/quote]And many cyclists don't know the Highway code as they feel the need to ride along the pavement when they should be using the road. You don't see cars driving on the pavement or down the high street do you?[/p][/quote]Every single car you see parked on a pavement was driven there. That's many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day.[/p][/quote]I am not talking about cars being parked on the pavement, I am talking about cars being physically driven the whole stretch of the road on the pavement. It doesn't happen. Whereas cyclists ride their bikes on the pavement for instance when there is traffic... I've just spent the last 20 mins flicking through some guys videos on youtube pointing out all the cars that park on the pavement, in the cycle lane etc, but he chooses to cycle on the pavement and not the road nearly colliding with a person at one point. As you said "many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day" exactly the same can be said about cyclists riding on pavements......[/p][/quote]So driving on a pavement to park on a pavement, that's ok is it?[/p][/quote]Riding on a pavement is ok is it?[/p][/quote]I'm not saying it's ok for cars to park or drive on the pavement. If this happens the driver should get a ticket. But it's ok for cyclists to ride on the pavement? b.c2456
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2:40pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Ed in says...

If the cars are legally on the road, why shouldn’t they go where they please within the law providing they cause no undue nuisance?

I have witnessed large gatherings of cyclists shouldn’t the same restrictions be also applied to them as well in the future?
If the cars are legally on the road, why shouldn’t they go where they please within the law providing they cause no undue nuisance? I have witnessed large gatherings of cyclists shouldn’t the same restrictions be also applied to them as well in the future? Ed in
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2:56pm Wed 6 Feb 13

chunkus10 says...

i think theres a lot of you that hare missing the point!! the point being that southend council seem hell bent on distroying any thing that would bring visitors and well need cash to southend, yes there will be problems by a minority, but theres problems in all walks of life. if we are to stop everything that might cause a slight problem to a town then we may aswell not do antything at all in southend, shut it up and make eveeryone go to basildump or lakeside.... i mean thats what sbc want isnt it?? or have i miss inturperted it
i think theres a lot of you that hare missing the point!! the point being that southend council seem hell bent on distroying any thing that would bring visitors and well need cash to southend, yes there will be problems by a minority, but theres problems in all walks of life. if we are to stop everything that might cause a slight problem to a town then we may aswell not do antything at all in southend, shut it up and make eveeryone go to basildump or lakeside.... i mean thats what sbc want isnt it?? or have i miss inturperted it chunkus10
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5:15pm Thu 7 Feb 13

MISSZC says...

Just another point about the cycle path along the seafront, I know people that come from outside of Southend for family days/evenings and when they drive along the seafront they all comment on the Cycle Path not being very clear and obvious that its a cycle path.....should SBC not look at correcting this first?
Just another point about the cycle path along the seafront, I know people that come from outside of Southend for family days/evenings and when they drive along the seafront they all comment on the Cycle Path not being very clear and obvious that its a cycle path.....should SBC not look at correcting this first? MISSZC
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6:04pm Thu 7 Feb 13

boyracer21 says...

This just proves that motorists are an easy target. The police will be there picking up on any minor thing they can penalise a driver for and fining them. Why dont they concentrate on the bar clubs area instead, people drinking to excess and causing vandalism and violence etc.. Another great move imposed by the council. What a bunch of useless bastard5.
This just proves that motorists are an easy target. The police will be there picking up on any minor thing they can penalise a driver for and fining them. Why dont they concentrate on the bar clubs area instead, people drinking to excess and causing vandalism and violence etc.. Another great move imposed by the council. What a bunch of useless bastard5. boyracer21
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6:38pm Thu 7 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

MISSZC wrote:
Just another point about the cycle path along the seafront, I know people that come from outside of Southend for family days/evenings and when they drive along the seafront they all comment on the Cycle Path not being very clear and obvious that its a cycle path.....should SBC not look at correcting this first?
It's painted green, has kerbs between it and the road and the pavement, and has cycle signs painted on it at regular intervals. How much clearer do they want ti?
[quote][p][bold]MISSZC[/bold] wrote: Just another point about the cycle path along the seafront, I know people that come from outside of Southend for family days/evenings and when they drive along the seafront they all comment on the Cycle Path not being very clear and obvious that its a cycle path.....should SBC not look at correcting this first?[/p][/quote]It's painted green, has kerbs between it and the road and the pavement, and has cycle signs painted on it at regular intervals. How much clearer do they want ti? Shoebury_Cyclist
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10:39am Fri 8 Feb 13

Invisible Lunatic says...

Jeez you live in a dangerous world mate, how have you managed to stay alive this long?
Jeez you live in a dangerous world mate, how have you managed to stay alive this long? Invisible Lunatic
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12:54pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Rouge9 says...

Dear Shoebury Cyclist, I have read your Trollish comments with a mix of laughter (at you) and incredularity that it is too obvious you do not know to what you are talking about.

Firstly, don't quote the IAM, they're a charity not an driving instructor service, if you're going to quote anyone try the ABD or a proper British Cycling.
Secondly, the Highway Code is not the rules of the road, suggest you go back and re-read, a subsection marked "Should" means it is Advisory, one marked MUST is in accordance with the Law - the Road Traffic Act (2006) and prior.

regarding your comment about a cyclist being in the middle of the lane, they are hogging the carriageway, a cyclist (I am one) must at all times be aware of their surroundings and ride accordingly, middle of the lane is just rudeness and arrogance that give us a bad name.

As for the article, there is nothing wrong with a gathering of cars on the seafront, if properly supervised, self supervision is ok.
I believe being able to show off the hard work and care of a car makes owning one a joy. Yes, I'm a petrolhead. I like cars, I like fast ones and I like speed and racing, all of which I do on a track day. Showing off a car shows you have pride in it, also if you take pride in something, you take care of it, and the car will be safe.
Dear Shoebury Cyclist, I have read your Trollish comments with a mix of laughter (at you) and incredularity that it is too obvious you do not know to what you are talking about. Firstly, don't quote the IAM, they're a charity not an driving instructor service, if you're going to quote anyone try the ABD or a proper British Cycling. Secondly, the Highway Code is not the rules of the road, suggest you go back and re-read, a subsection marked "Should" means it is Advisory, one marked MUST is in accordance with the Law - the Road Traffic Act (2006) and prior. regarding your comment about a cyclist being in the middle of the lane, they are hogging the carriageway, a cyclist (I am one) must at all times be aware of their surroundings and ride accordingly, middle of the lane is just rudeness and arrogance that give us a bad name. As for the article, there is nothing wrong with a gathering of cars on the seafront, if properly supervised, self supervision is ok. I believe being able to show off the hard work and care of a car makes owning one a joy. Yes, I'm a petrolhead. I like cars, I like fast ones and I like speed and racing, all of which I do on a track day. Showing off a car shows you have pride in it, also if you take pride in something, you take care of it, and the car will be safe. Rouge9
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3:37pm Fri 8 Feb 13

andy:) says...

b.c2456 wrote:
Noteworthy wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
b.c2456 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
b.c2456 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote: Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!" No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists: http://www.iam.org.u k/media-and-research /media-centre/news-a rchive/452-cyclists- claim-your-lane-says -iam But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.
For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.
I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.
And many cyclists don't know the Highway code as they feel the need to ride along the pavement when they should be using the road. You don't see cars driving on the pavement or down the high street do you?
Every single car you see parked on a pavement was driven there. That's many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day.
I am not talking about cars being parked on the pavement, I am talking about cars being physically driven the whole stretch of the road on the pavement. It doesn't happen. Whereas cyclists ride their bikes on the pavement for instance when there is traffic... I've just spent the last 20 mins flicking through some guys videos on youtube pointing out all the cars that park on the pavement, in the cycle lane etc, but he chooses to cycle on the pavement and not the road nearly colliding with a person at one point. As you said "many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day" exactly the same can be said about cyclists riding on pavements......
So driving on a pavement to park on a pavement, that's ok is it?
Riding on a pavement is ok is it?
I'm not saying it's ok for cars to park or drive on the pavement. If this happens the driver should get a ticket.

But it's ok for cyclists to ride on the pavement?
Sometimes yes, in fact, Southend Council would appear to have given their blessing 'to ride on the pavement' by making quite a few pavements both cycle routes and pavements at the same time, for example the stretch up from The Blue Boar pub to the old college. Anyone with half a brain realises that both can co-exist on the same stretch just as cyclists can co-exist with cars on roads, it just needs people to be sensible, unfortunatly many cyclists, drives and pedestrians lack sense at times.
[quote][p][bold]b.c2456[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]b.c2456[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]b.c2456[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: Peter245 wrote, "Right back at you, a car doesnt HOG a lane, It fills it. A cyclist riding at 15mph in the middle of a lane on a 30mph road is hogging a lane!" No they're not. They're protecting themselves by taking the lane where it would be dangerous to be on the left of the lane, as advised by the Institute of Advanced Motorists: http://www.iam.org.u k/media-and-research /media-centre/news-a rchive/452-cyclists- claim-your-lane-says -iam But of course a know-nothing boy-racer like you wouldn't have a clue about that.[/p][/quote]For starters, I am not a BOY, I am a grown man, secondly, I am not a recer. and furthermore, All you want to do is moan about a cycle lane. you dont have a reply for anything else I said in my post, but you have a reply becase, god forbid, I mentioned a cyclist! Again, the only thing you seem to be good at is google search to find out stuff nobody needs to know. Cycling and driving alike are mainly common sense.[/p][/quote]I simply corrected you as you clearly have no knowledge of the rules of the road as laid out in the Highway Code.[/p][/quote]And many cyclists don't know the Highway code as they feel the need to ride along the pavement when they should be using the road. You don't see cars driving on the pavement or down the high street do you?[/p][/quote]Every single car you see parked on a pavement was driven there. That's many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day.[/p][/quote]I am not talking about cars being parked on the pavement, I am talking about cars being physically driven the whole stretch of the road on the pavement. It doesn't happen. Whereas cyclists ride their bikes on the pavement for instance when there is traffic... I've just spent the last 20 mins flicking through some guys videos on youtube pointing out all the cars that park on the pavement, in the cycle lane etc, but he chooses to cycle on the pavement and not the road nearly colliding with a person at one point. As you said "many hundreds of thousands of motorists driving on pavements every day" exactly the same can be said about cyclists riding on pavements......[/p][/quote]So driving on a pavement to park on a pavement, that's ok is it?[/p][/quote]Riding on a pavement is ok is it?[/p][/quote]I'm not saying it's ok for cars to park or drive on the pavement. If this happens the driver should get a ticket. But it's ok for cyclists to ride on the pavement?[/p][/quote]Sometimes yes, in fact, Southend Council would appear to have given their blessing 'to ride on the pavement' by making quite a few pavements both cycle routes and pavements at the same time, for example the stretch up from The Blue Boar pub to the old college. Anyone with half a brain realises that both can co-exist on the same stretch just as cyclists can co-exist with cars on roads, it just needs people to be sensible, unfortunatly many cyclists, drives and pedestrians lack sense at times. andy:)
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3:55pm Fri 8 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

Rouge9 wrote:
Dear Shoebury Cyclist, I have read your Trollish comments with a mix of laughter (at you) and incredularity that it is too obvious you do not know to what you are talking about.

Firstly, don't quote the IAM, they're a charity not an driving instructor service, if you're going to quote anyone try the ABD or a proper British Cycling.
Secondly, the Highway Code is not the rules of the road, suggest you go back and re-read, a subsection marked "Should" means it is Advisory, one marked MUST is in accordance with the Law - the Road Traffic Act (2006) and prior.

regarding your comment about a cyclist being in the middle of the lane, they are hogging the carriageway, a cyclist (I am one) must at all times be aware of their surroundings and ride accordingly, middle of the lane is just rudeness and arrogance that give us a bad name.

As for the article, there is nothing wrong with a gathering of cars on the seafront, if properly supervised, self supervision is ok.
I believe being able to show off the hard work and care of a car makes owning one a joy. Yes, I'm a petrolhead. I like cars, I like fast ones and I like speed and racing, all of which I do on a track day. Showing off a car shows you have pride in it, also if you take pride in something, you take care of it, and the car will be safe.
Oh well said
[quote][p][bold]Rouge9[/bold] wrote: Dear Shoebury Cyclist, I have read your Trollish comments with a mix of laughter (at you) and incredularity that it is too obvious you do not know to what you are talking about. Firstly, don't quote the IAM, they're a charity not an driving instructor service, if you're going to quote anyone try the ABD or a proper British Cycling. Secondly, the Highway Code is not the rules of the road, suggest you go back and re-read, a subsection marked "Should" means it is Advisory, one marked MUST is in accordance with the Law - the Road Traffic Act (2006) and prior. regarding your comment about a cyclist being in the middle of the lane, they are hogging the carriageway, a cyclist (I am one) must at all times be aware of their surroundings and ride accordingly, middle of the lane is just rudeness and arrogance that give us a bad name. As for the article, there is nothing wrong with a gathering of cars on the seafront, if properly supervised, self supervision is ok. I believe being able to show off the hard work and care of a car makes owning one a joy. Yes, I'm a petrolhead. I like cars, I like fast ones and I like speed and racing, all of which I do on a track day. Showing off a car shows you have pride in it, also if you take pride in something, you take care of it, and the car will be safe.[/p][/quote]Oh well said stopmoaning1
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9:52am Wed 20 Feb 13

southendfanman says...

Southend council wants to destroy tourism is Southend it is that simple. It is funny how they want to cancel the air show and this car meeting since the new shared space has been criticised as a danger risk. I think the car meet should be supported. Southend council does not even promote Southend other than on the website. When do you see posters or adverts for Southend events on the trains or at any of the train stations from Shoeburyness to London on either line. What about TV adverts. Whoever is in charge of promoting Southend should be sacked. Don't let this car meet of the Airshow be stopped. More people should be bothered to register to vote, then at voting time vote for the independents and get the Tories out. When will people learn to use the vote
Southend council wants to destroy tourism is Southend it is that simple. It is funny how they want to cancel the air show and this car meeting since the new shared space has been criticised as a danger risk. I think the car meet should be supported. Southend council does not even promote Southend other than on the website. When do you see posters or adverts for Southend events on the trains or at any of the train stations from Shoeburyness to London on either line. What about TV adverts. Whoever is in charge of promoting Southend should be sacked. Don't let this car meet of the Airshow be stopped. More people should be bothered to register to vote, then at voting time vote for the independents and get the Tories out. When will people learn to use the vote southendfanman
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