Shoppers flock to Southend H&M as UK pulls out of recession (From Southend Standard)
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Queues as Southend H&M opens its doors
5:30pm Friday 26th October 2012 in Southend By Emma Thomas
Shoppers flock to Southend H&M as UK pulls out of recession
SOUTHEND celebrated the opening of a huge new store as the UK dragged itself out of economic mire.
As keen shoppers queued to get into the new H&M in the High Street, figured released by the Office of National Statistics showed the country climbed out of the double-dip recession between July and September.
City experts predicted the Gross Domestic Product would rise by 0.6 per cent but it beat the targets to grow by one per cent in the third quarter of this year.
This is the biggest increase since the third quarter of 2007.
It comes as ballot papers are distributed for traders to vote on whether to become part of a Business Improvement District. Balloting officially starts today (26) and will end on November 22.
The Echo-backed BID would see firms pay a set percentage into a central pot which would be used to improve the area.
Dawn Jeakings, manager of the Royals shopping centre and chairman of the Southend Town Centre Partnership, said Southend has coped well during the recession.
She said: “Our vacancy rates are a lot less than other towns. I think the regeneration that happened before has kept us afloat.
“I went into H&M and the town is a lot busier. It is a very positive recognition that they have got confidence in Southend otherwise they wouldn’t be doing it here. It is endorsing their confidence in the town. The BID will attract more businesses, we need more varied businesses and the BID will help with that.”
The ONS has warned the bounce-back was largely driven by one-off factors such as clawed-back activity lost to the extra bank holiday for the Queen's Diamond Jubilee and a slight lift from the Olympics.
However Prime Minister David Cameron hailed the news by saying Britain was “on the right track”.
Comments(51)
Eric Whim
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5:40pm Fri 26 Oct 12
However Prime Minister David Cameron hailed the news by saying Britain was “on the right track”.
as if anyone in their right mind will believe anything this overfed, overpaid and frankly over rated buffoon of a professional liar has to say about anything.
Naff off fatty!
v.randy
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5:48pm Fri 26 Oct 12
And on top of that I was broke on wednesday and then suddenly on thursday the government announced 'no more recession' and now i'm apparently loaded..this is a truely wonderful country..I think I'll stay a bit longer.
Obviously H&M will closed the other 2 branches once the fuss dies down so it will be 1 shop opens and 2 will shut...wakey wakey!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shoebury_Cyclist
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5:52pm Fri 26 Oct 12
asbo industries inc
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6:12pm Fri 26 Oct 12
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:but i thought the downturn was caused by the global banking crisis....gordon brown and the shoebury clown said so.
Nothing to do with the Olympics then. It'll be interesting to see their excuses when GDP drops in the fourth quarter. Gideon will probably blame it on snow again.
Shoebury_Cyclist
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6:16pm Fri 26 Oct 12
asbo industries inc wrote:The grown-ups are talking now little boy. Do run along and play with your Furby.
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:but i thought the downturn was caused by the global banking crisis....gordon brown and the shoebury clown said so.
Nothing to do with the Olympics then. It'll be interesting to see their excuses when GDP drops in the fourth quarter. Gideon will probably blame it on snow again.
asbo industries inc
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6:19pm Fri 26 Oct 12
Shoebury_Cyclist
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6:23pm Fri 26 Oct 12
asbo industries inc wrote:I'll believe it if the next two quarters continue in the same way. Somehow mI doubt they will.
is that really the best you can do? it must be really painful for you to see positive economic data. lol
asbo industries inc
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6:32pm Fri 26 Oct 12
jantone
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6:41pm Fri 26 Oct 12
who said that the other 2 h&m stores are closing? this is just NOT true!! i contacted there pr office, & they state that they have no plans at all to close either store. they also state that southend is one of there best trading areas in south east england !!hopefully they will attract more openings in the very near future, & that will really upset all the moaners & groaners!!
jantone
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6:41pm Fri 26 Oct 12
who said that the other 2 h&m stores are closing? this is just NOT true!! i contacted there pr office, & they state that they have no plans at all to close either store. they also state that southend is one of there best trading areas in south east england !!hopefully they will attract more openings in the very near future, & that will really upset all the moaners & groaners!!
Shoebury_Cyclist
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6:43pm Fri 26 Oct 12
asbo industries inc wrote:Still peddling that fiction are you? Even though it's been proved an utter lie from David Cameron's tories?
believe what...that tony boom and gordon bust's economic nuclear winter has ended? nobody is suggesting that..they're simply stating we're on the right track.
"As a Conservative I have no pleasure in exposing David Cameron's deficit claims. However, as long as the party continues to talk down the economy via the blame game, confidence will not be given an opportunity to return. For it is an undeniable and inescapable economic fact: without confidence and certainty there can be no real growth.
Below are the three deficit claims - the mess. The evidence comes from the IMF, OECD, OBR, HM Treasury, ONS and even George Osborne."
http://www.huffingto
npost.co.uk/ramesh-p
atel/growth-cameron-
austerity_b_2007552.
html
asbo industries inc
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6:50pm Fri 26 Oct 12
.....!
asbo industries inc
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6:55pm Fri 26 Oct 12
blogspot.co.uk/2012/
10/did-ramesh-patel-
get-paid-for-this.ht
ml
haha completely mickey mouse - i like the politically active bit. funny that you should be reposting the article! btw can you call yourself an economist if you don't have a degree in economics...it's not even listed on his bio?
asbo industries inc
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7:00pm Fri 26 Oct 12
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:might want to do some due diligence before you post your twaddle. did you read the huffpo bio....hilarious?
asbo industries inc wrote:Still peddling that fiction are you? Even though it's been proved an utter lie from David Cameron's tories?
believe what...that tony boom and gordon bust's economic nuclear winter has ended? nobody is suggesting that..they're simply stating we're on the right track.
"As a Conservative I have no pleasure in exposing David Cameron's deficit claims. However, as long as the party continues to talk down the economy via the blame game, confidence will not be given an opportunity to return. For it is an undeniable and inescapable economic fact: without confidence and certainty there can be no real growth.
Below are the three deficit claims - the mess. The evidence comes from the IMF, OECD, OBR, HM Treasury, ONS and even George Osborne."
http://www.huffingto
npost.co.uk/ramesh-p
atel/growth-cameron-
austerity_b_2007552.
html
Shoebury_Cyclist
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7:12pm Fri 26 Oct 12
asbo industries inc wrote:If you're going to believe blogs you might as well say, 'This bloke down the pub says…'
http://brackenworld.
blogspot.co.uk/2012/
10/did-ramesh-patel-
get-paid-for-this.ht
ml
haha completely mickey mouse - i like the politically active bit. funny that you should be reposting the article! btw can you call yourself an economist if you don't have a degree in economics...it's not even listed on his bio?
Cameron's lies are exposed. Accept it.
asbo industries inc
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7:29pm Fri 26 Oct 12
Eric Whim
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7:37pm Fri 26 Oct 12
asbo industries inc wrote:I hlad a shlit n my blog earlier, it smlelt flucking hlorrible
ramesh patel's article is a blog ROFL. who believes it? only the "politcally active" monkeys - need i say more?. i'm more qualified than he is. want to read my blog?? lol
asbo industries inc
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7:59pm Fri 26 Oct 12
jayman
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10:28pm Fri 26 Oct 12
they will relocate to this store, they will close down other stores in the area.
this is by no measure a sign of growth. Southend as well as the rest of the UK remains in zero growth, even the OBR and the ONS and the chancellor are cautious about the recent growth figures.
ford are cutting vehicle production in the UK. this is a massive hit to the UK economy and the Essex economy. there is also the recent closure of the coryton oil refinery. I sincerely do not want any more bad news about job losses and hardship but i think it is a little crass of the echo to link the 'relocation' of a clothes shop to national GDP growth or lack of growth.. a lesson in basic economics is required I think..
asbo industries inc
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10:40pm Fri 26 Oct 12
Diannah
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11:22pm Fri 26 Oct 12
jayman wrote:Let's just hope this is the start of some good news. Don't forget that Southend Airport also reported yesterday the start of their expansion which will mean at least 300 new jobs being created.
i think what's happened is H&M have seen a large retail space empty.
they will relocate to this store, they will close down other stores in the area.
this is by no measure a sign of growth. Southend as well as the rest of the UK remains in zero growth, even the OBR and the ONS and the chancellor are cautious about the recent growth figures.
ford are cutting vehicle production in the UK. this is a massive hit to the UK economy and the Essex economy. there is also the recent closure of the coryton oil refinery. I sincerely do not want any more bad news about job losses and hardship but i think it is a little crass of the echo to link the 'relocation' of a clothes shop to national GDP growth or lack of growth.. a lesson in basic economics is required I think..
jayman
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11:43pm Fri 26 Oct 12
Diannah wrote:and the ford company flights are probably going to be cancelled as there will be no production of vehicles from there plant 'only engines'.
jayman wrote:Let's just hope this is the start of some good news. Don't forget that Southend Airport also reported yesterday the start of their expansion which will mean at least 300 new jobs being created.
i think what's happened is H&M have seen a large retail space empty.
they will relocate to this store, they will close down other stores in the area.
this is by no measure a sign of growth. Southend as well as the rest of the UK remains in zero growth, even the OBR and the ONS and the chancellor are cautious about the recent growth figures.
ford are cutting vehicle production in the UK. this is a massive hit to the UK economy and the Essex economy. there is also the recent closure of the coryton oil refinery. I sincerely do not want any more bad news about job losses and hardship but i think it is a little crass of the echo to link the 'relocation' of a clothes shop to national GDP growth or lack of growth.. a lesson in basic economics is required I think..
i doubt the 300 job figure. Considering ford are cutting 1,400 jobs at two major plants..
Shoebury_Cyclist
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8:46am Sat 27 Oct 12
A clothes shop moving house and a couple of hundred jobs at a small local airport won't cover it. I see no jobs boom and people are unlikely to go on spending sprees when jobs could be lost at any time.
Face it, the slightly better GDP figure over the summer was due to the Olympics. The figures will fall off again now.
asbo industries inc
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10:58am Sat 27 Oct 12
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:you must be wetting yourself with excitement over all these job losses.
Over 800 jobs went at Coryton another 1000 are due to go when Ford close the stamping plant at Dagenham (not to mention the knock on effect of that plant closure in the local economy).
A clothes shop moving house and a couple of hundred jobs at a small local airport won't cover it. I see no jobs boom and people are unlikely to go on spending sprees when jobs could be lost at any time.
Face it, the slightly better GDP figure over the summer was due to the Olympics. The figures will fall off again now.
Shoebury_Cyclist
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12:08pm Sat 27 Oct 12
asbo industries inc wrote:No I'm not. I think it's disastrous.
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:you must be wetting yourself with excitement over all these job losses.
Over 800 jobs went at Coryton another 1000 are due to go when Ford close the stamping plant at Dagenham (not to mention the knock on effect of that plant closure in the local economy).
A clothes shop moving house and a couple of hundred jobs at a small local airport won't cover it. I see no jobs boom and people are unlikely to go on spending sprees when jobs could be lost at any time.
Face it, the slightly better GDP figure over the summer was due to the Olympics. The figures will fall off again now.
But so long as our never-worked-a-day-i
n-his-life inherited millionaire prime minister and his inherited millionaire fare-dodging chancellor are ok, why should they worry about ordinary people losing their jobs, being unable to afford to heat their homes, unable to afford to run their cars? After all this is you tories' capitalist dream where free competition creates better cheaper services and jobs for all.
Oh wait, it hasn't.
v.randy
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1:27pm Sat 27 Oct 12
Why on earth would any clothes trader want 3 identical shops selling identical products next to each other.
The reason they bought Woolies was that they couldn't get all their range under one roof ie.. no room for mens clothing at the Royals branch.
And obviously they are not gonna tell a member of the public over the phone their future plans (note earlier post) nor are they gonna ruin the publicity they are currently enjoying .
Instead they will phase out the other 2 branches over the next 2 years.
asbo industries inc
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4:04pm Sat 27 Oct 12
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:so you only have a problem with career politicians if they're tory. the only jobs created under tony boom and gordon bust were the public sector variety or the banking sector and look where that got us.
asbo industries inc wrote:No I'm not. I think it's disastrous.
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:you must be wetting yourself with excitement over all these job losses.
Over 800 jobs went at Coryton another 1000 are due to go when Ford close the stamping plant at Dagenham (not to mention the knock on effect of that plant closure in the local economy).
A clothes shop moving house and a couple of hundred jobs at a small local airport won't cover it. I see no jobs boom and people are unlikely to go on spending sprees when jobs could be lost at any time.
Face it, the slightly better GDP figure over the summer was due to the Olympics. The figures will fall off again now.
But so long as our never-worked-a-day-i
n-his-life inherited millionaire prime minister and his inherited millionaire fare-dodging chancellor are ok, why should they worry about ordinary people losing their jobs, being unable to afford to heat their homes, unable to afford to run their cars? After all this is you tories' capitalist dream where free competition creates better cheaper services and jobs for all.
Oh wait, it hasn't.
perini
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4:43pm Sat 27 Oct 12
jayman wrote:Fordair was disbanded years ago - the budget airlines made it uneconomic to run.
Diannah wrote:and the ford company flights are probably going to be cancelled as there will be no production of vehicles from there plant 'only engines'.
jayman wrote:Let's just hope this is the start of some good news. Don't forget that Southend Airport also reported yesterday the start of their expansion which will mean at least 300 new jobs being created.
i think what's happened is H&M have seen a large retail space empty.
they will relocate to this store, they will close down other stores in the area.
this is by no measure a sign of growth. Southend as well as the rest of the UK remains in zero growth, even the OBR and the ONS and the chancellor are cautious about the recent growth figures.
ford are cutting vehicle production in the UK. this is a massive hit to the UK economy and the Essex economy. there is also the recent closure of the coryton oil refinery. I sincerely do not want any more bad news about job losses and hardship but i think it is a little crass of the echo to link the 'relocation' of a clothes shop to national GDP growth or lack of growth.. a lesson in basic economics is required I think..
i doubt the 300 job figure. Considering ford are cutting 1,400 jobs at two major plants..
jayman
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5:24pm Sat 27 Oct 12
perini wrote:http://www.echo-news
jayman wrote:Fordair was disbanded years ago - the budget airlines made it uneconomic to run.
Diannah wrote:and the ford company flights are probably going to be cancelled as there will be no production of vehicles from there plant 'only engines'.
jayman wrote:Let's just hope this is the start of some good news. Don't forget that Southend Airport also reported yesterday the start of their expansion which will mean at least 300 new jobs being created.
i think what's happened is H&M have seen a large retail space empty.
they will relocate to this store, they will close down other stores in the area.
this is by no measure a sign of growth. Southend as well as the rest of the UK remains in zero growth, even the OBR and the ONS and the chancellor are cautious about the recent growth figures.
ford are cutting vehicle production in the UK. this is a massive hit to the UK economy and the Essex economy. there is also the recent closure of the coryton oil refinery. I sincerely do not want any more bad news about job losses and hardship but i think it is a little crass of the echo to link the 'relocation' of a clothes shop to national GDP growth or lack of growth.. a lesson in basic economics is required I think..
i doubt the 300 job figure. Considering ford are cutting 1,400 jobs at two major plants..
.co.uk/news/9457663.
Ford_to_fly_employee
s_from_Southend_Airp
ort/
Diannah
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8:13pm Sat 27 Oct 12
jayman wrote:I'm not an expert on this subject but I would guess that the flights are more connected to the Dunton offices rather than the workers or vehicles at Dagenham.
Diannah wrote:and the ford company flights are probably going to be cancelled as there will be no production of vehicles from there plant 'only engines'.
jayman wrote:Let's just hope this is the start of some good news. Don't forget that Southend Airport also reported yesterday the start of their expansion which will mean at least 300 new jobs being created.
i think what's happened is H&M have seen a large retail space empty.
they will relocate to this store, they will close down other stores in the area.
this is by no measure a sign of growth. Southend as well as the rest of the UK remains in zero growth, even the OBR and the ONS and the chancellor are cautious about the recent growth figures.
ford are cutting vehicle production in the UK. this is a massive hit to the UK economy and the Essex economy. there is also the recent closure of the coryton oil refinery. I sincerely do not want any more bad news about job losses and hardship but i think it is a little crass of the echo to link the 'relocation' of a clothes shop to national GDP growth or lack of growth.. a lesson in basic economics is required I think..
i doubt the 300 job figure. Considering ford are cutting 1,400 jobs at two major plants..
southchurch bob
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11:02pm Sat 27 Oct 12
jantone wrote:The reason people stood in the rain like pillocks was the carrots/vouchers for free otherwise they could've went next at their leisure.
brilliant store. nice & bright & absolutely packed with customers. just what southend high st needs!!
who said that the other 2 h&m stores are closing? this is just NOT true!! i contacted there pr office, & they state that they have no plans at all to close either store. they also state that southend is one of there best trading areas in south east england !!hopefully they will attract more openings in the very near future, & that will really upset all the moaners & groaners!!
rodgdodge
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8:32am Mon 29 Oct 12
Only when we get a higher disposable income ( difficult with over-inflation energy increases!!) for the lower paid.
Will the economy pick-up.
Hopefully not funded by borrowing as before, which was mainly based on an over optimistic view that the increase in property values would carry on..
This was mainly due to the lack of ` new build` and the Thatcher government refusing to allow local authorities to use the money received from the ` sell-off` of public housing.
The hope of producing a ` property-owning` nation, was seriously undermined by this and also at the same time driving down the level of wages to a point ,where people could not afford to buy, although at one time 100 year mortgages was mentioned, nothing happened with that idea !!
The Government could have stepped in with that, with some kind of guarantee/share element, to support the construction industry.Even now it is not too late, Osborne is always boasting how cheap the government can borrow money, why not use some of that availability, to build new eco-enhanced( low-energy),properti
es??!!
rodgdodge
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8:38am Mon 29 Oct 12
How much of their merchandise will be imported from the `slave/sweatshop` economies and not ` Made in Britain`?
Don`t forget, imports seriously affect the balance of payments, which has an influence on our creditworthiness ect.
Diannah
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12:21pm Mon 29 Oct 12
rodgdodge wrote:Very good point. I watched the Mary Portas programme with interest when she set up the manufacture of pure British knickers.
H and M.
How much of their merchandise will be imported from the `slave/sweatshop` economies and not ` Made in Britain`?
Don`t forget, imports seriously affect the balance of payments, which has an influence on our creditworthiness ect.
Can you see a time when 'Made in Britain' will make a come back? Can we make people care?
alimac69
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2:48pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Aint it just the truth
says...
9:30pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:Fair enough, except that we wouldn't be in this mess if it wasn't for Gordon Brown. He was warned that the recession was coming over a year before it happened by, amongst others, Australia and Canada, and they told him exactly what to do to stop it, ie tweak the banking regs etc, but he purposely CHOSE to ignore the warnings.
asbo industries inc wrote:No I'm not. I think it's disastrous. But so long as our never-worked-a-day-i n-his-life inherited millionaire prime minister and his inherited millionaire fare-dodging chancellor are ok, why should they worry about ordinary people losing their jobs, being unable to afford to heat their homes, unable to afford to run their cars? After all this is you tories' capitalist dream where free competition creates better cheaper services and jobs for all. Oh wait, it hasn't.Shoebury_Cyclist wrote: Over 800 jobs went at Coryton another 1000 are due to go when Ford close the stamping plant at Dagenham (not to mention the knock on effect of that plant closure in the local economy). A clothes shop moving house and a couple of hundred jobs at a small local airport won't cover it. I see no jobs boom and people are unlikely to go on spending sprees when jobs could be lost at any time. Face it, the slightly better GDP figure over the summer was due to the Olympics. The figures will fall off again now.you must be wetting yourself with excitement over all these job losses.
.
It is a matter of public record that Brown decided to ignore these warnings because he thought it would be "easier to clean up after the recession than try and limit the damage". Thanks for that Gordon. The political commentators say he made this decision for two reasons, because he didn't want to upset the bankers and because he thought it wouldn't happen until after he lost the general election so the tories would get the blame. Meanwhile Oz and Canada were hardly touched by the recession, certainly no major debts like us. Btw I support no political parties, a curse on all two faced power hungry idiot politicians.
Shoebury_Cyclist
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9:35pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Aint it just the truth wrote:Oh do stop peddling such tory propagandist cobblers. Read this and learn something:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:Fair enough, except that we wouldn't be in this mess if it wasn't for Gordon Brown. He was warned that the recession was coming over a year before it happened by, amongst others, Australia and Canada, and they told him exactly what to do to stop it, ie tweak the banking regs etc, but he purposely CHOSE to ignore the warnings.
asbo industries inc wrote:No I'm not. I think it's disastrous. But so long as our never-worked-a-day-i n-his-life inherited millionaire prime minister and his inherited millionaire fare-dodging chancellor are ok, why should they worry about ordinary people losing their jobs, being unable to afford to heat their homes, unable to afford to run their cars? After all this is you tories' capitalist dream where free competition creates better cheaper services and jobs for all. Oh wait, it hasn't.Shoebury_Cyclist wrote: Over 800 jobs went at Coryton another 1000 are due to go when Ford close the stamping plant at Dagenham (not to mention the knock on effect of that plant closure in the local economy). A clothes shop moving house and a couple of hundred jobs at a small local airport won't cover it. I see no jobs boom and people are unlikely to go on spending sprees when jobs could be lost at any time. Face it, the slightly better GDP figure over the summer was due to the Olympics. The figures will fall off again now.you must be wetting yourself with excitement over all these job losses.
.
It is a matter of public record that Brown decided to ignore these warnings because he thought it would be "easier to clean up after the recession than try and limit the damage". Thanks for that Gordon. The political commentators say he made this decision for two reasons, because he didn't want to upset the bankers and because he thought it wouldn't happen until after he lost the general election so the tories would get the blame. Meanwhile Oz and Canada were hardly touched by the recession, certainly no major debts like us. Btw I support no political parties, a curse on all two faced power hungry idiot politicians.
http://www.huffingto
npost.co.uk/ramesh-p
atel/growth-cameron-
austerity_b_2007552.
html
Aint it just the truth
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10:20pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:I have already told you I am NO Tory and I detest what they are doing to the poor and vulnerable, but I'm not a Labour lapdog either, as you so obviously are. What I said is all a matter of public record. Fact.
Aint it just the truth wrote:Oh do stop peddling such tory propagandist cobblers. Read this and learn something: http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/ramesh-p atel/growth-cameron- austerity_b_2007552. htmlShoebury_Cyclist wrote:Fair enough, except that we wouldn't be in this mess if it wasn't for Gordon Brown. He was warned that the recession was coming over a year before it happened by, amongst others, Australia and Canada, and they told him exactly what to do to stop it, ie tweak the banking regs etc, but he purposely CHOSE to ignore the warnings. . It is a matter of public record that Brown decided to ignore these warnings because he thought it would be "easier to clean up after the recession than try and limit the damage". Thanks for that Gordon. The political commentators say he made this decision for two reasons, because he didn't want to upset the bankers and because he thought it wouldn't happen until after he lost the general election so the tories would get the blame. Meanwhile Oz and Canada were hardly touched by the recession, certainly no major debts like us. Btw I support no political parties, a curse on all two faced power hungry idiot politicians.asbo industries inc wrote:No I'm not. I think it's disastrous. But so long as our never-worked-a-day-i n-his-life inherited millionaire prime minister and his inherited millionaire fare-dodging chancellor are ok, why should they worry about ordinary people losing their jobs, being unable to afford to heat their homes, unable to afford to run their cars? After all this is you tories' capitalist dream where free competition creates better cheaper services and jobs for all. Oh wait, it hasn't.Shoebury_Cyclist wrote: Over 800 jobs went at Coryton another 1000 are due to go when Ford close the stamping plant at Dagenham (not to mention the knock on effect of that plant closure in the local economy). A clothes shop moving house and a couple of hundred jobs at a small local airport won't cover it. I see no jobs boom and people are unlikely to go on spending sprees when jobs could be lost at any time. Face it, the slightly better GDP figure over the summer was due to the Olympics. The figures will fall off again now.you must be wetting yourself with excitement over all these job losses.
Shoebury_Cyclist
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10:53pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Aint it just the truth wrote:If what you said is 'a matter of public record. Fact.' Please post a link to that public record backing up your assertion, as I have done. Until you do, it is nothing but your opinion.
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:I have already told you I am NO Tory and I detest what they are doing to the poor and vulnerable, but I'm not a Labour lapdog either, as you so obviously are. What I said is all a matter of public record. Fact.
Aint it just the truth wrote:Oh do stop peddling such tory propagandist cobblers. Read this and learn something: http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/ramesh-p atel/growth-cameron- austerity_b_2007552. htmlShoebury_Cyclist wrote:Fair enough, except that we wouldn't be in this mess if it wasn't for Gordon Brown. He was warned that the recession was coming over a year before it happened by, amongst others, Australia and Canada, and they told him exactly what to do to stop it, ie tweak the banking regs etc, but he purposely CHOSE to ignore the warnings. . It is a matter of public record that Brown decided to ignore these warnings because he thought it would be "easier to clean up after the recession than try and limit the damage". Thanks for that Gordon. The political commentators say he made this decision for two reasons, because he didn't want to upset the bankers and because he thought it wouldn't happen until after he lost the general election so the tories would get the blame. Meanwhile Oz and Canada were hardly touched by the recession, certainly no major debts like us. Btw I support no political parties, a curse on all two faced power hungry idiot politicians.asbo industries inc wrote:No I'm not. I think it's disastrous. But so long as our never-worked-a-day-i n-his-life inherited millionaire prime minister and his inherited millionaire fare-dodging chancellor are ok, why should they worry about ordinary people losing their jobs, being unable to afford to heat their homes, unable to afford to run their cars? After all this is you tories' capitalist dream where free competition creates better cheaper services and jobs for all. Oh wait, it hasn't.Shoebury_Cyclist wrote: Over 800 jobs went at Coryton another 1000 are due to go when Ford close the stamping plant at Dagenham (not to mention the knock on effect of that plant closure in the local economy). A clothes shop moving house and a couple of hundred jobs at a small local airport won't cover it. I see no jobs boom and people are unlikely to go on spending sprees when jobs could be lost at any time. Face it, the slightly better GDP figure over the summer was due to the Olympics. The figures will fall off again now.you must be wetting yourself with excitement over all these job losses.
Aint it just the truth
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11:35pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Aint it just the truth
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11:39pm Mon 29 Oct 12
Shoebury_Cyclist
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8:18am Tue 30 Oct 12
Aint it just the truth wrote:In other words you have no evidence to back up your claims. Goodnight.
Rubbish. This is absolutely not just my opinion but all this happened a few years ago now and I've got better things to do than spending ages searching online to appease you just because your memory is faulty, look it up for yourself. It is a FACT.
asbo industries inc
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9:32am Tue 30 Oct 12
asbo industries inc
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9:38am Tue 30 Oct 12
Aint it just the truth wrote:you're absolutely spot on. this banking crisis has new labours' fingerprints all over it no matter how much the shoebury communist tries to deny it. the company at the heart of this crisis selling CDS (insurance which enabled the insane leveraging) on all those US subprime mortgages was aig financial which was operating out of the uk. wonder why....oh yes gordon brown's light touch (non-existent) regulatory regime or casino banking as i prefer to call it.
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:Fair enough, except that we wouldn't be in this mess if it wasn't for Gordon Brown. He was warned that the recession was coming over a year before it happened by, amongst others, Australia and Canada, and they told him exactly what to do to stop it, ie tweak the banking regs etc, but he purposely CHOSE to ignore the warnings.
asbo industries inc wrote:No I'm not. I think it's disastrous. But so long as our never-worked-a-day-i n-his-life inherited millionaire prime minister and his inherited millionaire fare-dodging chancellor are ok, why should they worry about ordinary people losing their jobs, being unable to afford to heat their homes, unable to afford to run their cars? After all this is you tories' capitalist dream where free competition creates better cheaper services and jobs for all. Oh wait, it hasn't.Shoebury_Cyclist wrote: Over 800 jobs went at Coryton another 1000 are due to go when Ford close the stamping plant at Dagenham (not to mention the knock on effect of that plant closure in the local economy). A clothes shop moving house and a couple of hundred jobs at a small local airport won't cover it. I see no jobs boom and people are unlikely to go on spending sprees when jobs could be lost at any time. Face it, the slightly better GDP figure over the summer was due to the Olympics. The figures will fall off again now.you must be wetting yourself with excitement over all these job losses.
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It is a matter of public record that Brown decided to ignore these warnings because he thought it would be "easier to clean up after the recession than try and limit the damage". Thanks for that Gordon. The political commentators say he made this decision for two reasons, because he didn't want to upset the bankers and because he thought it wouldn't happen until after he lost the general election so the tories would get the blame. Meanwhile Oz and Canada were hardly touched by the recession, certainly no major debts like us. Btw I support no political parties, a curse on all two faced power hungry idiot politicians.
Aint it just the truth
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11:38am Tue 30 Oct 12
asbo industries inc
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9:00pm Tue 30 Oct 12
Shoebury_Cyclist
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11:18pm Tue 30 Oct 12
asbo industries inc wrote:I've been earning a living. You should try it some time instead of spending your entire life on this website posting your right-wing lies.
there ain't no silencing us when we're right eh truthy but witness the sssilence of the ssslippery ssssyclist - ssslithered into his hole
I've posted the evidence, but if you want to stick to the 'repeat a lie often enough and you'll believe it' tactic, that's up to you.
asbo industries inc
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8:05am Wed 31 Oct 12
Aint it just the truth
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2:31pm Fri 2 Nov 12
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:Ahem, but you're the one trying the "repeat a lie often enough and everyone will believe it" tactic when you try to excuse Gordon Brown's culpability for the recession. Brown purposely allowed the recession to happen as he thought it would be easier to clean up afterwards than interfere with his favourite bankers. That is a fact.
asbo industries inc wrote: there ain't no silencing us when we're right eh truthy but witness the sssilence of the ssslippery ssssyclist - ssslithered into his holeI've been earning a living. You should try it some time instead of spending your entire life on this website posting your right-wing lies. I've posted the evidence, but if you want to stick to the 'repeat a lie often enough and you'll believe it' tactic, that's up to you.
bigmak
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5:04pm Wed 14 Nov 12
Shoebury Cyclist, instead of ranting about 'tories' put your views to the Shoeburyness electorate by standing as a candidate and, if you win anything, I'll respect your views! If you won't put up then shut up, you're boring!
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5:35pm Fri 26 Oct 12