Has Sadlers Farm left you baffled? (From Southend Standard)
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Has Sadlers Farm left you baffled?
7:00pm Wednesday 3rd October 2012 in Echo News
Has Sadlers Farm left you baffled?
NEW road signs have been installed on Sadlers Farm to help confused motorists better navigate the new layout - but have they left you confused?
Essex County Council has spent £63million transforming the infamous Benfleet roundabout in a bid to simplify the multi-roundabout junction and improve journey times.
Serious safety concerns were raised after drivers travelling along the Southend-bound A13 towards Canvey Way have been seen turning left into oncoming traffic by mistake leading to accidents.
We want to know if you have been confused or taken a wrong turn on the new layout at Sadlers Farm? You can also tell us your stories by leaving comments here.
Comments(50)
whataday
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7:52pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Anpother visitor from London coming along same approach ended up being on A127 and into Southend due to inadequate signage.
Even living locally many people find it totally confusing and guesswork to know which lane to take.
Coming from A127 to Sadlers roundabout badly signposted as to when to branch off either right towards Londonbound A13 or left towards Hadleigh bound A13. What with roadworks and no lights potentially extremely dangerous.
BMNO6
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8:05pm Wed 3 Oct 12
pendulum
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8:07pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Basildon.lad.21
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9:18pm Wed 3 Oct 12
bob7
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9:35pm Wed 3 Oct 12
pendulum wrote:Totally agree.
What people need to remember is if they get in the wrong lane, SODDING WELL STICK TO THAT LANE if you cannot change to the correct lane safely. Do not just bang an indicator on and force your way across. Take the wrong lane and then find a place to turn round safely. So annoying.
bob7
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9:41pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Basildon.lad.21 wrote:The rules of a roundabout usually are to enter and come off where you want to. This one is marked out with so called "dedicated lanes". Most of us by now know which lane goes where but the layout has been changed.
I really dont see how people find this confusing. Its just a roundabout for god sake. If you cant navigate your way around a roundabout, or read signs, you really shouldnt be on the road.
There is plenty of warning from Pitsea that two lanes go to the A130 and that two go on toward Sadlers. The problem I have is idiots who chose to ignore the speed limit and hurtle down the two lanes for Canvey and then push their way left to go to London Road. If everyone stuck to the speed limit they would have some thinking time to get into the correct lane.
Brunning999
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10:10pm Wed 3 Oct 12
EssexPerson
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10:39pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Brunning999 wrote:I'm sure people would moan over a loaf of bread if given the chance. It works a lot freaking better than the last layout which had exceeded it's design capacity. People were crying out for a new layout, we now have it. Stop moaning and learn to read signs or surrender your licence to the DVLA.
It is a massive improvement, faster and it works so STFU.
EssexPerson
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10:41pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Shoot Ferals
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4:28am Thu 4 Oct 12
Ian P
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7:30am Thu 4 Oct 12
Doughnut
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8:56am Thu 4 Oct 12
johanuk
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9:25am Thu 4 Oct 12
GentleGiant
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10:04am Thu 4 Oct 12
The problem is that people ignore the ridiculously short inside lane and just use the outside one.
They then decide to cut across into the lane meant for the other lane.
The other confusing and stupid design is the one single ahead lane at tarpots. This is blocked by traffic turning right. The other lane is marked as ahead and then suddenly marked as left only.
The final stupid design (and maybe they will correct it) is the missing lane from the slip from the A1245 (old A130) coming from the A127 and joining the A130 going south. Traffic is forced over for about 50 yards when the lane starts again.
APR
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11:00am Thu 4 Oct 12
dontgetmestarted
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11:12am Thu 4 Oct 12
Chris Flunk
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11:27am Thu 4 Oct 12
dontgetmestarted wrote:That's because you are moving into the wrong lane on the roundabout, not them. There's is no 'A130 lane', traffic for the A130 uses the underpass. Both left lanes that join the roundabout from the A13 are valid for the use of traffic heading to Benfleet.
I avoid sadlers as much as poss now its a nightmare!!! The way the lanes from the new bridge progress onto the actual roundabout is ridiculous, numerous times now I've cars come up the inside of me (shorter lane towards a130) who wanted to go towards Benfleet and have then cut across in front of me and only just missed hitting me, 2 occassions stick to mind more than others firstly. A van that obviously didn't use his mirrors causing me to stop suddenly and nearly be hit by the car behind me unfortunate for him the company name and number were displayed on the van so his boss had a very irate woman on the phone and secondly a complete div who did the same thing but was more interested in the mobile phone call he was making and he had the cheek to shout abuse at me when he was in the wrong for more than 1 reason. Its a complete nightmare and needs better signage
It's people like you that are making it a 'nightmare'.
BenfleetBarrel
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11:38am Thu 4 Oct 12
It's people who drift from the right lane on the A13 queue at the lights onto the left lane on the roundabout that cause problems.
This is made worse by the stupid left-only lane at Tarpots.
Chris Flunk
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12:23pm Thu 4 Oct 12
dontgetmestarted wrote:What makes me really cross about this is that you have jeopardised the poor van driver's livelihood because of your own inability to read a road sign. I hope you phone the company back and make an apology.
I avoid sadlers as much as poss now its a nightmare!!! The way the lanes from the new bridge progress onto the actual roundabout is ridiculous, numerous times now I've cars come up the inside of me (shorter lane towards a130) who wanted to go towards Benfleet and have then cut across in front of me and only just missed hitting me, 2 occassions stick to mind more than others firstly. A van that obviously didn't use his mirrors causing me to stop suddenly and nearly be hit by the car behind me unfortunate for him the company name and number were displayed on the van so his boss had a very irate woman on the phone and secondly a complete div who did the same thing but was more interested in the mobile phone call he was making and he had the cheek to shout abuse at me when he was in the wrong for more than 1 reason. Its a complete nightmare and needs better signage
Eric Whim
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1:21pm Thu 4 Oct 12
I only ask because it's been over week since we've had any (women) motorists crying about it and looking glum in the picture accomanpying their sob story.
Or has everyone realised that if you stick to the speed limit, and drive within your limitations rather than how you would on the wii box 360 connect, there's little, if any, chance of skidding about uncontrollably?
Rochford Rob
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1:29pm Thu 4 Oct 12
BMNO6 wrote:Good grief. You sound like a socialist. Maybe they should have given that 63 mil to the local council. Great idea - Sadlers Farm would still be that - a farm and all the money wasted elsewhere. I think the best people qualified for Civil Engineering projects are er......Civil Engineers. And as we all know, Council Jobsworths are rarely ever civil to their employers - us.
And all for 63m ! you know it makes sense LMAO, public money going to a private company, "we are all in this together" well that road design must have been the idea of an idiot, fact.
Plus, I'd wager that road signage is the responsibility of the Highways Dept. which is council / state run. Oh Gawd, now you'll blame the coaltion and their evil 'cuts'
Rochford Rob
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1:35pm Thu 4 Oct 12
BMNO6 wrote:Good grief. You sound like a socialist. Maybe they should have given that 63 mil to the local council. Great idea - Sadlers Farm would still be that - a farm and all the money wasted elsewhere. I think the best people qualified for Civil Engineering projects are er......Civil Engineers. And as we all know, Council Jobsworths are rarely ever civil to their employers - us.
And all for 63m ! you know it makes sense LMAO, public money going to a private company, "we are all in this together" well that road design must have been the idea of an idiot, fact.
Plus, I'd wager that road signage is the responsibility of the Highways Dept. which is council / state run. Oh Gawd, now you'll blame the coaltion and their evil 'cuts'
blahblahcanvey
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1:55pm Thu 4 Oct 12
IT'S JUST A ROUNDABOUT!
tac123
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2:25pm Thu 4 Oct 12
Basildon.lad.21
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2:46pm Thu 4 Oct 12
dontgetmestarted wrote:Typical woman. Learn to drive you idiot.
I avoid sadlers as much as poss now its a nightmare!!! The way the lanes from the new bridge progress onto the actual roundabout is ridiculous, numerous times now I've cars come up the inside of me (shorter lane towards a130) who wanted to go towards Benfleet and have then cut across in front of me and only just missed hitting me, 2 occassions stick to mind more than others firstly. A van that obviously didn't use his mirrors causing me to stop suddenly and nearly be hit by the car behind me unfortunate for him the company name and number were displayed on the van so his boss had a very irate woman on the phone and secondly a complete div who did the same thing but was more interested in the mobile phone call he was making and he had the cheek to shout abuse at me when he was in the wrong for more than 1 reason. Its a complete nightmare and needs better signage
Basildon.lad.21
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2:48pm Thu 4 Oct 12
bob7 wrote:Yeah I do that too. Im not sitting in that long tailback of traffic. Try it yourself, its much easier.
Basildon.lad.21 wrote:The rules of a roundabout usually are to enter and come off where you want to. This one is marked out with so called "dedicated lanes". Most of us by now know which lane goes where but the layout has been changed.
I really dont see how people find this confusing. Its just a roundabout for god sake. If you cant navigate your way around a roundabout, or read signs, you really shouldnt be on the road.
There is plenty of warning from Pitsea that two lanes go to the A130 and that two go on toward Sadlers. The problem I have is idiots who chose to ignore the speed limit and hurtle down the two lanes for Canvey and then push their way left to go to London Road. If everyone stuck to the speed limit they would have some thinking time to get into the correct lane.
PJR-121
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3:19pm Thu 4 Oct 12
Doughnut wrote:So non-locals were not confused when confronted with five small roundabouts based around one big roundabout? How many accidents were there on the old layout?
I think most of us locals have worked out which lane to be in. Non locals are confused and are getting in the wrong lanes, then adjusting at the last minute. I guarantee there's gonna be a huge pileup one day.
The new layout is different. We've had the old one for decades, and locals were used to it. Give it time - people had to give the old layout time and now everyone is moaning that it's gone!
whataday
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6:32pm Thu 4 Oct 12
Basildon.lad.21 wrote:Thats the problem its not just a roundabout. You can't navigate it in the usal way because if you do it turns you off towards Canvey. If it followed normal roundabout process there would not be a problem
I really dont see how people find this confusing. Its just a roundabout for god sake. If you cant navigate your way around a roundabout, or read signs, you really shouldnt be on the road.
maddriver
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6:34pm Thu 4 Oct 12
PJR-121 wrote:Have to agree that the new layout is a sight better than the old mini-roundabout system. There are few hold-ups now and if everyone sticks to the rules there will be far less chances of accidents occurring.
Doughnut wrote:So non-locals were not confused when confronted with five small roundabouts based around one big roundabout? How many accidents were there on the old layout?
I think most of us locals have worked out which lane to be in. Non locals are confused and are getting in the wrong lanes, then adjusting at the last minute. I guarantee there's gonna be a huge pileup one day.
The new layout is different. We've had the old one for decades, and locals were used to it. Give it time - people had to give the old layout time and now everyone is moaning that it's gone!
whataday
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6:35pm Thu 4 Oct 12
Ian P wrote:The person that was complaining was talking about signage on other side of the road i.e. coming from A127 towards Sadlers Farm
whataday says..."Another visitor from London coming along same approach ended up being on A127 and into Southend due to inadequate signage" Only a few weeks ago there was an article in the Echo where someone was complaining that the signs were too big and devaluing his house. Now someone is complaining they are inadequate. I guess you cannot please all the people all the time.
whataday
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6:38pm Thu 4 Oct 12
APR wrote:Think you have the safest idea
I just avoid it !
mudslinger
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6:47pm Thu 4 Oct 12
if you cant negotiate a perfectly good junction then you shouldnt be driving.
naffeville
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6:52pm Thu 4 Oct 12
saarfender
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7:59pm Thu 4 Oct 12
naffeville wrote:The old layout, before any works started, only signposted Southend as via A130/A127. There were no signs for Southend via A13 (it's congested enough through that residential area, without non-locals being directed through there instead of using the main trunk road of A127).
It should say Southend A127 right, southend A13 left, not just Southend right
DogsMessInLeigh
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10:25pm Thu 4 Oct 12
Thecountrysgonetopot!
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11:12pm Thu 4 Oct 12
raybar249
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9:38am Fri 5 Oct 12
Chris Flunk wrote:Ok, so what about the idiot that is using the mobile phone whilst driving. As far as I knew, isnt that now an offence. Perhaps it was you driving that car?
dontgetmestarted wrote:What makes me really cross about this is that you have jeopardised the poor van driver's livelihood because of your own inability to read a road sign. I hope you phone the company back and make an apology.
I avoid sadlers as much as poss now its a nightmare!!! The way the lanes from the new bridge progress onto the actual roundabout is ridiculous, numerous times now I've cars come up the inside of me (shorter lane towards a130) who wanted to go towards Benfleet and have then cut across in front of me and only just missed hitting me, 2 occassions stick to mind more than others firstly. A van that obviously didn't use his mirrors causing me to stop suddenly and nearly be hit by the car behind me unfortunate for him the company name and number were displayed on the van so his boss had a very irate woman on the phone and secondly a complete div who did the same thing but was more interested in the mobile phone call he was making and he had the cheek to shout abuse at me when he was in the wrong for more than 1 reason. Its a complete nightmare and needs better signage
Chris Flunk
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11:48am Fri 5 Oct 12
raybar249 wrote:I didn't comment on the idiot on the mobile. I never drive while using a mobile. Would you like to retract that libelous statement?
Chris Flunk wrote:Ok, so what about the idiot that is using the mobile phone whilst driving. As far as I knew, isnt that now an offence. Perhaps it was you driving that car?
dontgetmestarted wrote:What makes me really cross about this is that you have jeopardised the poor van driver's livelihood because of your own inability to read a road sign. I hope you phone the company back and make an apology.
I avoid sadlers as much as poss now its a nightmare!!! The way the lanes from the new bridge progress onto the actual roundabout is ridiculous, numerous times now I've cars come up the inside of me (shorter lane towards a130) who wanted to go towards Benfleet and have then cut across in front of me and only just missed hitting me, 2 occassions stick to mind more than others firstly. A van that obviously didn't use his mirrors causing me to stop suddenly and nearly be hit by the car behind me unfortunate for him the company name and number were displayed on the van so his boss had a very irate woman on the phone and secondly a complete div who did the same thing but was more interested in the mobile phone call he was making and he had the cheek to shout abuse at me when he was in the wrong for more than 1 reason. Its a complete nightmare and needs better signage
z0mbee
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1:31pm Fri 5 Oct 12
naffeville
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5:17pm Fri 5 Oct 12
saarfender wrote:What does that matter, Southend is signposted all way down A13 from London? It doesnt matter how many people live there, its still the A13 towards Southend and they should signpost it corectly. The A127 is also congested
naffeville wrote: It should say Southend A127 right, southend A13 left, not just Southend rightThe old layout, before any works started, only signposted Southend as via A130/A127. There were no signs for Southend via A13 (it's congested enough through that residential area, without non-locals being directed through there instead of using the main trunk road of A127).
Happylass
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1:16pm Mon 8 Oct 12
r6keith
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4:03pm Mon 8 Oct 12
Happylass wrote:Please take this the way it is written but maybe you should be called hopeless and your sister more hopeless than hopeless ! Where was your sister supposed to be going ? If she was coming to you somewhere in Benfleet from Kent why was she on the A130 ?
I hate Sadlers Farm Roundabout and never use it (unless I'm in the bus going to Basildon) even in that you are tossed from side to side as the approach on the roundabout is so uneven! I now drive along Essex Way to Hadleigh Roundabout, Rayleigh Weir and then to Pitsea via Pound Lane turning right at the end and either shop in Tescos or go to Basildon or Lakeside. I return via A127 to Rayleigh Weir and back home. I reminded my sister in Kent about the changes and she came along the A130 and ended up in Chelmsford some months ago! She was forced into that lane by the speeding traffic.
echostretch
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12:02pm Thu 11 Oct 12
dontgetmestarted
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2:32pm Mon 15 Oct 12
Chris Flunk wrote:no i am not using the wrong lane, i use the lane for benfleet, off course there is a lane for A130 or how else would cars that havent travelled up the A13 get onto the A130???? They use this lane nearly hit the island and pull back out onto the roundabout, therefore if you believe there is no lane for A130 i class u as one of the nightmares!!!!!!!!!!
dontgetmestarted wrote:That's because you are moving into the wrong lane on the roundabout, not them. There's is no 'A130 lane', traffic for the A130 uses the underpass. Both left lanes that join the roundabout from the A13 are valid for the use of traffic heading to Benfleet.
I avoid sadlers as much as poss now its a nightmare!!! The way the lanes from the new bridge progress onto the actual roundabout is ridiculous, numerous times now I've cars come up the inside of me (shorter lane towards a130) who wanted to go towards Benfleet and have then cut across in front of me and only just missed hitting me, 2 occassions stick to mind more than others firstly. A van that obviously didn't use his mirrors causing me to stop suddenly and nearly be hit by the car behind me unfortunate for him the company name and number were displayed on the van so his boss had a very irate woman on the phone and secondly a complete div who did the same thing but was more interested in the mobile phone call he was making and he had the cheek to shout abuse at me when he was in the wrong for more than 1 reason. Its a complete nightmare and needs better signage
It's people like you that are making it a 'nightmare'.
!1
dontgetmestarted
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2:35pm Mon 15 Oct 12
Chris Flunk wrote:no i will not be phoning them back he was the one in the wrong not me and i stand by everything i have said!!!
dontgetmestarted wrote:What makes me really cross about this is that you have jeopardised the poor van driver's livelihood because of your own inability to read a road sign. I hope you phone the company back and make an apology.
I avoid sadlers as much as poss now its a nightmare!!! The way the lanes from the new bridge progress onto the actual roundabout is ridiculous, numerous times now I've cars come up the inside of me (shorter lane towards a130) who wanted to go towards Benfleet and have then cut across in front of me and only just missed hitting me, 2 occassions stick to mind more than others firstly. A van that obviously didn't use his mirrors causing me to stop suddenly and nearly be hit by the car behind me unfortunate for him the company name and number were displayed on the van so his boss had a very irate woman on the phone and secondly a complete div who did the same thing but was more interested in the mobile phone call he was making and he had the cheek to shout abuse at me when he was in the wrong for more than 1 reason. Its a complete nightmare and needs better signage
dontgetmestarted
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2:41pm Mon 15 Oct 12
raybar249 wrote:Now an offence?? it has been an offence for years that carries points and a fine so if you believe it is only now an offence perhaps you should reread the highway code and resit your test as you obviously dont know what you are talking about
Chris Flunk wrote:Ok, so what about the idiot that is using the mobile phone whilst driving. As far as I knew, isnt that now an offence. Perhaps it was you driving that car?
dontgetmestarted wrote:What makes me really cross about this is that you have jeopardised the poor van driver's livelihood because of your own inability to read a road sign. I hope you phone the company back and make an apology.
I avoid sadlers as much as poss now its a nightmare!!! The way the lanes from the new bridge progress onto the actual roundabout is ridiculous, numerous times now I've cars come up the inside of me (shorter lane towards a130) who wanted to go towards Benfleet and have then cut across in front of me and only just missed hitting me, 2 occassions stick to mind more than others firstly. A van that obviously didn't use his mirrors causing me to stop suddenly and nearly be hit by the car behind me unfortunate for him the company name and number were displayed on the van so his boss had a very irate woman on the phone and secondly a complete div who did the same thing but was more interested in the mobile phone call he was making and he had the cheek to shout abuse at me when he was in the wrong for more than 1 reason. Its a complete nightmare and needs better signage
dontgetmestarted
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2:43pm Mon 15 Oct 12
Basildon.lad.21 wrote:Get a life, i have had a full CLEAN licence for longer than you have been out of nappies little boy!!!!
dontgetmestarted wrote:Typical woman. Learn to drive you idiot.
I avoid sadlers as much as poss now its a nightmare!!! The way the lanes from the new bridge progress onto the actual roundabout is ridiculous, numerous times now I've cars come up the inside of me (shorter lane towards a130) who wanted to go towards Benfleet and have then cut across in front of me and only just missed hitting me, 2 occassions stick to mind more than others firstly. A van that obviously didn't use his mirrors causing me to stop suddenly and nearly be hit by the car behind me unfortunate for him the company name and number were displayed on the van so his boss had a very irate woman on the phone and secondly a complete div who did the same thing but was more interested in the mobile phone call he was making and he had the cheek to shout abuse at me when he was in the wrong for more than 1 reason. Its a complete nightmare and needs better signage
raybar249
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4:04pm Mon 15 Oct 12
dontgetmestarted wrote:Perhaps you should read my comment again., I was actually defending you!
raybar249 wrote:Now an offence?? it has been an offence for years that carries points and a fine so if you believe it is only now an offence perhaps you should reread the highway code and resit your test as you obviously dont know what you are talking about
Chris Flunk wrote:Ok, so what about the idiot that is using the mobile phone whilst driving. As far as I knew, isnt that now an offence. Perhaps it was you driving that car?
dontgetmestarted wrote:What makes me really cross about this is that you have jeopardised the poor van driver's livelihood because of your own inability to read a road sign. I hope you phone the company back and make an apology.
I avoid sadlers as much as poss now its a nightmare!!! The way the lanes from the new bridge progress onto the actual roundabout is ridiculous, numerous times now I've cars come up the inside of me (shorter lane towards a130) who wanted to go towards Benfleet and have then cut across in front of me and only just missed hitting me, 2 occassions stick to mind more than others firstly. A van that obviously didn't use his mirrors causing me to stop suddenly and nearly be hit by the car behind me unfortunate for him the company name and number were displayed on the van so his boss had a very irate woman on the phone and secondly a complete div who did the same thing but was more interested in the mobile phone call he was making and he had the cheek to shout abuse at me when he was in the wrong for more than 1 reason. Its a complete nightmare and needs better signage
dontgetmestarted
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12:43am Thu 1 Nov 12
raybar249 wrote:I appologise raybar249 I didnt see your name at the top when i originally read ur comment and thought it was from chris flunk who had been on my comments and he was accusing me of using my mobile, u are probably right it probably was him.
dontgetmestarted wrote:Perhaps you should read my comment again., I was actually defending you!
raybar249 wrote:Now an offence?? it has been an offence for years that carries points and a fine so if you believe it is only now an offence perhaps you should reread the highway code and resit your test as you obviously dont know what you are talking about
Chris Flunk wrote:Ok, so what about the idiot that is using the mobile phone whilst driving. As far as I knew, isnt that now an offence. Perhaps it was you driving that car?
dontgetmestarted wrote:What makes me really cross about this is that you have jeopardised the poor van driver's livelihood because of your own inability to read a road sign. I hope you phone the company back and make an apology.
I avoid sadlers as much as poss now its a nightmare!!! The way the lanes from the new bridge progress onto the actual roundabout is ridiculous, numerous times now I've cars come up the inside of me (shorter lane towards a130) who wanted to go towards Benfleet and have then cut across in front of me and only just missed hitting me, 2 occassions stick to mind more than others firstly. A van that obviously didn't use his mirrors causing me to stop suddenly and nearly be hit by the car behind me unfortunate for him the company name and number were displayed on the van so his boss had a very irate woman on the phone and secondly a complete div who did the same thing but was more interested in the mobile phone call he was making and he had the cheek to shout abuse at me when he was in the wrong for more than 1 reason. Its a complete nightmare and needs better signage
bob7 says...
7:49pm Wed 3 Oct 12