Cops surprised by £20,000 cannabis haul in Shoebury (From Southend Standard)

We need to stop this stupid and unwinnable war against cannabis. It is causing far more harm to our communities than it prevents. If we had a properly regulated system of production and supply we'd have no more illegal cannabis farms, instead we'd have thousands of new jobs. We'd have no more dealers on the streets. Cannabis would be available to adults only through licensed outlets and we'd have some control over the THC and CBD content.

Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing.

If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. If anyone does have a problem with it they could get help without having to confess to a crime.

CLEAR published independent, expert research last year which shows that a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion per annum.

It is a scandal that our government, our judges, our courts, our police and our newspapers keep misleading us about cannabis. Find out the truth for yourself and wake up to the lies you have been told.

More hype! more fear! more demonization! more dread! what rubbish.... no wonder the coppers are unpopular!
Her Majesties Government can issue licences to grow skunk to big GW Pharma.... but the little man must go to prison for growing something with "no medicinal value whatsoever" ~ to quote the same government!
Double-standards!!
The bankers go free and big corporations can do as they please, our young soldiers fight in illegal wars and ordinary citizens are lied to and imprisoned for cannabis!

UK is a joke.
Cannabis is good! fact.
Cannabis is harmless! fact.
The Crown prosecution supports a false cannabis laws and knowingly imprisons people to support the prison industrial complex.
Disobey all cannabis laws.
One love! Chant down Babylon

This has to stop, why are you making this out to be such a big deal? There are ways with dealing with Cannabis without it being a problem to our society but YOU a.k.a the police and the government are making it a problem. If it were to be regulated and looked after properly there would be no more crime. There is crime because it is illegal, crime crime and more crime. Theft of electricity etc etc and that wouldn't happened if it were legal now would it? We could make so much profit from cannabis and you are not looking at the beneficial factors, you only look how it can be bad for your health and recently it came out that it is safe for over 18's. Just stop this nonsense, it is from the earth. It's natural. It's safe. Let it grow.

Forgive my ignorance as I'm far from an expert on the subject, but isn't cannabis smoked with tobacco?

Blind Haze wrote:
Forgive my ignorance as I'm far from an expert on the subject, but isn't cannabis smoked with tobacco?

Not necessarily, in fact it is usually smoked 'neat' in the US I believe. Some users don't smoke it at all but enjoy its effects in cakes and confections.

oh dear... the usual search engine fustercluck.

They could have cut the grass before they left !

every few months some streets stink of it. Neighbours must be oblivious to it.

Im not a cannabis smoker. I have smoked it before in the past though. Its not the most harmful drug in the world. Infact alcohol is alot worse. Id rather be sharing the road with someone whose smoked a spliff, then someone whose downed a few pints of beer.

I agree with most comments above, Cannabis should be legalised.

A visit to what is left of Warley Hospital and you'll find that cannabis is far from 'harmless'. Their greatest admissions are those of youngsters in drug enduced psychosis.
That said, take production out of the hands of criminals, legalise it then tax the hell out of it and let people decide if they wish to gamble with their mental well being.
I'd never touch the stuff so I wouldn't care !

Rochford Rob wrote:
A visit to what is left of Warley Hospital and you'll find that cannabis is far from 'harmless'. Their greatest admissions are those of youngsters in drug enduced psychosis.
That said, take production out of the hands of criminals, legalise it then tax the hell out of it and let people decide if they wish to gamble with their mental well being.
I'd never touch the stuff so I wouldn't care !

Absolute rubbish. This is a myth promoted by the alcohol industry, the Daily Mail and the self-serving drug support industry.

The facts are that of all those in NTA treatment for drugs and alcohol, 7% are there for cannabis, a figure that has been stable for 10 years.

Dr Claire Gerada, chair of the Royal College of GPs said recently, "We get very few people presenting with problems with cannabis use".

See here for the best evidence on cannabis and mental health:

http://www.clear-uk.
org/the-best-evidenc
e-about-cannabis-and
-mental-health/

Also try this website, the NHS Mental Healthcare website... http://www.mentalhea
lthcare.org.uk/canna
bis
.
And this one...
http://www.lonsdalem
edicalcentre.nhs.uk/
usefulinfo/content.a
sp?id=40
.
And this one...
http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/world/
politics/calls-to-le
galise-cannabis-and-
ecstasy-2292485.html

.
And make sure you read the conclusions before you post Nebs.

Babs Stanley wrote:

Rochford Rob wrote:
A visit to what is left of Warley Hospital and you'll find that cannabis is far from 'harmless'. Their greatest admissions are those of youngsters in drug enduced psychosis.
That said, take production out of the hands of criminals, legalise it then tax the hell out of it and let people decide if they wish to gamble with their mental well being.
I'd never touch the stuff so I wouldn't care !

Absolute rubbish. This is a myth promoted by the alcohol industry, the Daily Mail and the self-serving drug support industry.

The facts are that of all those in NTA treatment for drugs and alcohol, 7% are there for cannabis, a figure that has been stable for 10 years.

Dr Claire Gerada, chair of the Royal College of GPs said recently, "We get very few people presenting with problems with cannabis use".

See here for the best evidence on cannabis and mental health:

http://www.clear-uk.

org/the-best-evidenc

e-about-cannabis-and

-mental-health/

did peter reynolds take a dump again?
http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/health/health
news/9426205/Cannabi
s-smoking-permanentl
y-lowers-IQ.html

Rochford Rob wrote:
A visit to what is left of Warley Hospital and you'll find that cannabis is far from 'harmless'. Their greatest admissions are those of youngsters in drug enduced psychosis.
That said, take production out of the hands of criminals, legalise it then tax the hell out of it and let people decide if they wish to gamble with their mental well being.
I'd never touch the stuff so I wouldn't care !

@Rochford Rob.

I don't wish to appear confrontation but can you tell us who gave you that information. I ask because the information you quote is just wrong and if we are going to lay this myth about the evils of drugs to rest once and for all we desperately need to tell the truth about the whole subject. So, who do we have to contact to tell them that they have lied to you and so stop them doing it in the future?

until the day that cannabis is outlawed (LOL) the police are only doing there job.

well done. another criminal record for the grower and another 'proceeds of crime act' pay day for the police.

well done to the person for smelling the drug and reporting it to the authorities.

good result

stevea62 wrote:

Rochford Rob wrote:
A visit to what is left of Warley Hospital and you'll find that cannabis is far from 'harmless'. Their greatest admissions are those of youngsters in drug enduced psychosis.
That said, take production out of the hands of criminals, legalise it then tax the hell out of it and let people decide if they wish to gamble with their mental well being.
I'd never touch the stuff so I wouldn't care !

@Rochford Rob.

I don't wish to appear confrontation but can you tell us who gave you that information. I ask because the information you quote is just wrong and if we are going to lay this myth about the evils of drugs to rest once and for all we desperately need to tell the truth about the whole subject. So, who do we have to contact to tell them that they have lied to you and so stop them doing it in the future?

you are one sinister individual

E-Types... wrote:

CALL ME CLINT wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
oh dear... the usual search engine fustercluck.

For those wondering:

"Fustercluck"- a word used by feck-wits when they have nothing useful to say but feel as though they have to say something.

We can only accept that you are an expert in " fustercluck" as well as 'fillerybuck'

(exchange the b and the f if you feel so inclined)

I rest my case!

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

stevea62 wrote:

Rochford Rob wrote:
A visit to what is left of Warley Hospital and you'll find that cannabis is far from 'harmless'. Their greatest admissions are those of youngsters in drug enduced psychosis.
That said, take production out of the hands of criminals, legalise it then tax the hell out of it and let people decide if they wish to gamble with their mental well being.
I'd never touch the stuff so I wouldn't care !

@Rochford Rob.

I don't wish to appear confrontation but can you tell us who gave you that information. I ask because the information you quote is just wrong and if we are going to lay this myth about the evils of drugs to rest once and for all we desperately need to tell the truth about the whole subject. So, who do we have to contact to tell them that they have lied to you and so stop them doing it in the future?

you are one sinister individual

How is that sinister? Do you get your scientific evidence from the Daily Mail? There is not one study that proves cannabis causes psychosis. By the way, do you even know what psychosis is? Its a very broad term which can cover an array of psychological problems. Cannabis, although not harmless, doesn't cause psychosis or schizophrenia. CBD in cannabis is an ANTI PSYCHOTIC, and in countries where cannabis is legal, people who suffer from said mental health issues are treated with cannabis. Yes cannabis, not some synthetic version, the natural flower and leaf. I would like to see these hospitals full of people who use cannabis, because I know its BS. As i said cannabis isnt harmless, especially for kids. However Professor Terrie Moffitt, from the Institute of Psychiatry at King’s College London said “I’m fairly confident that cannabis is safe for over-18 brains, but risky for under-18 brains.” The amount of people in A&E on Friday and Saturday night, and the amount of people who die each year from alcohol abuse cannot even be compared with the 'harms' of cannabis. It has the potential for abuse, just like alcohol, cigarettes and fast food does. But we dont prohibit burgers and jail unhealthy eaters.
In my opinion SINISTER is disallowing regulation, gifting control to criminals and jailing people who grow/use cannabis as medicine. Doing nothing to protect the young and vulnerable, thats sinister. You sir need to do a lot of reading and research because it seems you know nothing of cannabis what so ever. The reason its prohibited has nothing to do with its potential for harm, or harm reduction. Its all about vested interest, the power of alcohol, tobacco and pharmaceutical companies, cowardly politicians and of course personal prejudices. Its got nothing to do with Harm reduction, Expert advice, Scientific evidence or our safety. Cannabis prohibition is based on lies and control and its building blocks where based on racism and greed. Sinister is supporting such a policy, especially when it does more harm than the cannabis itself.

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

stevea62 wrote:

Rochford Rob wrote: A visit to what is left of Warley Hospital and you'll find that cannabis is far from 'harmless'. Their greatest admissions are those of youngsters in drug enduced psychosis. That said, take production out of the hands of criminals, legalise it then tax the hell out of it and let people decide if they wish to gamble with their mental well being. I'd never touch the stuff so I wouldn't care !

@Rochford Rob. I don't wish to appear confrontation but can you tell us who gave you that information. I ask because the information you quote is just wrong and if we are going to lay this myth about the evils of drugs to rest once and for all we desperately need to tell the truth about the whole subject. So, who do we have to contact to tell them that they have lied to you and so stop them doing it in the future?

you are one sinister individual

I got it first hand from a consultant - Mr. Francis Dunne - when my son was being treated there for the very same thing.

Will that do?

the search engines are in overload....

Babs Stanley wrote:

Rochford Rob wrote: A visit to what is left of Warley Hospital and you'll find that cannabis is far from 'harmless'. Their greatest admissions are those of youngsters in drug enduced psychosis. That said, take production out of the hands of criminals, legalise it then tax the hell out of it and let people decide if they wish to gamble with their mental well being. I'd never touch the stuff so I wouldn't care !

Absolute rubbish. This is a myth promoted by the alcohol industry, the Daily Mail and the self-serving drug support industry. The facts are that of all those in NTA treatment for drugs and alcohol, 7% are there for cannabis, a figure that has been stable for 10 years. Dr Claire Gerada, chair of the Royal College of GPs said recently, "We get very few people presenting with problems with cannabis use". See here for the best evidence on cannabis and mental health: http://www.clear-uk. org/the-best-evidenc e-about-cannabis-and -mental-health/

Do you think that the 7% figure would increase if it were legalised?

SuperSilverSourDiese
l wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

stevea62 wrote:

Rochford Rob wrote: A visit to what is left of Warley Hospital and you'll find that cannabis is far from 'harmless'. Their greatest admissions are those of youngsters in drug enduced psychosis. That said, take production out of the hands of criminals, legalise it then tax the hell out of it and let people decide if they wish to gamble with their mental well being. I'd never touch the stuff so I wouldn't care !

@Rochford Rob. I don't wish to appear confrontation but can you tell us who gave you that information. I ask because the information you quote is just wrong and if we are going to lay this myth about the evils of drugs to rest once and for all we desperately need to tell the truth about the whole subject. So, who do we have to contact to tell them that they have lied to you and so stop them doing it in the future?

you are one sinister individual

How is that sinister? Do you get your scientific evidence from the Daily Mail? There is not one study that proves cannabis causes psychosis. By the way, do you even know what psychosis is? Its a very broad term which can cover an array of psychological problems. Cannabis, although not harmless, doesn't cause psychosis or schizophrenia. CBD in cannabis is an ANTI PSYCHOTIC, and in countries where cannabis is legal, people who suffer from said mental health issues are treated with cannabis. Yes cannabis, not some synthetic version, the natural flower and leaf. I would like to see these hospitals full of people who use cannabis, because I know its BS. As i said cannabis isnt harmless, especially for kids. However Professor Terrie Moffitt, from the Institute of Psychiatry at King’s College London said “I’m fairly confident that cannabis is safe for over-18 brains, but risky for under-18 brains.” The amount of people in A&E on Friday and Saturday night, and the amount of people who die each year from alcohol abuse cannot even be compared with the 'harms' of cannabis. It has the potential for abuse, just like alcohol, cigarettes and fast food does. But we dont prohibit burgers and jail unhealthy eaters. In my opinion SINISTER is disallowing regulation, gifting control to criminals and jailing people who grow/use cannabis as medicine. Doing nothing to protect the young and vulnerable, thats sinister. You sir need to do a lot of reading and research because it seems you know nothing of cannabis what so ever. The reason its prohibited has nothing to do with its potential for harm, or harm reduction. Its all about vested interest, the power of alcohol, tobacco and pharmaceutical companies, cowardly politicians and of course personal prejudices. Its got nothing to do with Harm reduction, Expert advice, Scientific evidence or our safety. Cannabis prohibition is based on lies and control and its building blocks where based on racism and greed. Sinister is supporting such a policy, especially when it does more harm than the cannabis itself.

As I said before, I'm no expert on the subject of cannabis - there probably is some medicinal benefits for it (I know someone who has MS who smokes it solely to relieve the pain - I've never tried it myself) but in that case you could use the same argument to make morphine generally available to the public.

peter reynolds' just got word to me. he says "the war's over - we lost! david bogroll nutt was wrong all along but soft, strong and very, very long".

Son of stropmag wrote:

Blind Haze wrote: Forgive my ignorance as I'm far from an expert on the subject, but isn't cannabis smoked with tobacco?

Not necessarily, in fact it is usually smoked 'neat' in the US I believe. Some users don't smoke it at all but enjoy its effects in cakes and confections.

I see - thanks Son of stropmag. Back in my teenage years, I'm not sure what some of my acquaintances were smoking then but they used to remove the tobacco from cigarettes to roll their joints with.

Rochford Rob wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

stevea62 wrote:

Rochford Rob wrote: A visit to what is left of Warley Hospital and you'll find that cannabis is far from 'harmless'. Their greatest admissions are those of youngsters in drug enduced psychosis. That said, take production out of the hands of criminals, legalise it then tax the hell out of it and let people decide if they wish to gamble with their mental well being. I'd never touch the stuff so I wouldn't care !

@Rochford Rob. I don't wish to appear confrontation but can you tell us who gave you that information. I ask because the information you quote is just wrong and if we are going to lay this myth about the evils of drugs to rest once and for all we desperately need to tell the truth about the whole subject. So, who do we have to contact to tell them that they have lied to you and so stop them doing it in the future?

you are one sinister individual

I got it first hand from a consultant - Mr. Francis Dunne - when my son was being treated there for the very same thing.

Will that do?

Lovely, thanks for that information.

One of the big issues surrounding what we call "the war on drugs" are the lies told, principally by those who support prohibition about pretty much everything to do with the whole subject.


I am sure the good doctor will now be asked by many more than me to justify his claims and if ever I am unlucky enough to meet him on a professional basis I will be questioning his credentials and would urge others to do the same. At the very least the matter of his not keeping up to date with current medical research and thinking while he draws his pay from my tax contribution needs examination.

And finally, Sinister? Oh yes but I blame the information I found on the internet for that.

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
peter reynolds' just got word to me. he says "the war's over - we lost! david bogroll nutt was wrong all along but soft, strong and very, very long".

Sounds like you need some Andrex to clean out the empty space inside your head!

Not a serious discussion, just trolls with too much time on their hands.

Legal regulation of cannabis is inevitable and it just might do some people here a great deal of good!

''but in that case you could use the same argument to make morphine generally available to the public.''

Cant you tell the difference between morphine and cannabis? One is addictive and deadly, one is the safest plant on earth. Hmm, I dont think you can compare the two. Morphine isnt prohibited though, so those who need it (but dont necessarily want it) can get it. Cannabis is illegal, and its got nothing to do with its harms which are microscopic compared to alcohol and most legal drugs. Prohibiting cannabis has gifting the control to criminals, which has created a dangerous situation for everyone. They sell to who ever what ever age and the only ID a dealer needs to see is money. They dont know/care about CBD content they just want cash. Children find cannabis easier to obtain that alcohol and tobacco, simply because their is no regulation or protection. Not with dealers controlling the market. Bringing cannabis into a regulated system will see drug use go down, and age of first use go up. The statistical evidence from countries that have done this is too strong to say otherwise. Also, 99% of associated crimes are not caused by cannabis, or the cannabis users. They are caused by the gangs which control cannabis, with a regulated system associated crimes will decline. As we see in countries that legally regulate. Its not about giving 'stoners' what they want. Its about taking control of this plant, and not brushing the problem under the carpet which has causes more harm than cannabis ever could. Do some research on alcohol prohibition, to understand the dangers of not regulating something. As i said, it being illegal has nothing to do with the potential for harm. Morphine and cannabis are not the same, cannabis is extremely non toxic, its safer than paracetamol. Its about regulation, not handing control to criminals because 'Drugs are mad....mkay'. lets have a policy based on science, evidence and expert advice, not lies, greed, vested interest and cowardice.

SuperSilverSourDiese
l wrote:
''but in that case you could use the same argument to make morphine generally available to the public.'' Cant you tell the difference between morphine and cannabis? One is addictive and deadly, one is the safest plant on earth. Hmm, I dont think you can compare the two. Morphine isnt prohibited though, so those who need it (but dont necessarily want it) can get it. Cannabis is illegal, and its got nothing to do with its harms which are microscopic compared to alcohol and most legal drugs. Prohibiting cannabis has gifting the control to criminals, which has created a dangerous situation for everyone. They sell to who ever what ever age and the only ID a dealer needs to see is money. They dont know/care about CBD content they just want cash. Children find cannabis easier to obtain that alcohol and tobacco, simply because their is no regulation or protection. Not with dealers controlling the market. Bringing cannabis into a regulated system will see drug use go down, and age of first use go up. The statistical evidence from countries that have done this is too strong to say otherwise. Also, 99% of associated crimes are not caused by cannabis, or the cannabis users. They are caused by the gangs which control cannabis, with a regulated system associated crimes will decline. As we see in countries that legally regulate. Its not about giving 'stoners' what they want. Its about taking control of this plant, and not brushing the problem under the carpet which has causes more harm than cannabis ever could. Do some research on alcohol prohibition, to understand the dangers of not regulating something. As i said, it being illegal has nothing to do with the potential for harm. Morphine and cannabis are not the same, cannabis is extremely non toxic, its safer than paracetamol. Its about regulation, not handing control to criminals because 'Drugs are mad....mkay'. lets have a policy based on science, evidence and expert advice, not lies, greed, vested interest and cowardice.

I'm comparing the argument - the same can be applied to both substances. As for cannabis being the safest plant on earth, that's utter rubbish. Are you suggesting that I should swap it for the lettuce I had in my sandwich earlier?

Babs Stanley wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
peter reynolds' just got word to me. he says "the war's over - we lost! david bogroll nutt was wrong all along but soft, strong and very, very long".

Sounds like you need some Andrex to clean out the empty space inside your head!

Not a serious discussion, just trolls with too much time on their hands.

Legal regulation of cannabis is inevitable and it just might do some people here a great deal of good!

in my experience, these threads where the search engine dope dependents are involved it's best to let them get on with it and leave it to become a circle jerk with the hadleigh stoner

Blind Haze wrote:

SuperSilverSourDiese

l wrote:
''but in that case you could use the same argument to make morphine generally available to the public.'' Cant you tell the difference between morphine and cannabis? One is addictive and deadly, one is the safest plant on earth. Hmm, I dont think you can compare the two. Morphine isnt prohibited though, so those who need it (but dont necessarily want it) can get it. Cannabis is illegal, and its got nothing to do with its harms which are microscopic compared to alcohol and most legal drugs. Prohibiting cannabis has gifting the control to criminals, which has created a dangerous situation for everyone. They sell to who ever what ever age and the only ID a dealer needs to see is money. They dont know/care about CBD content they just want cash. Children find cannabis easier to obtain that alcohol and tobacco, simply because their is no regulation or protection. Not with dealers controlling the market. Bringing cannabis into a regulated system will see drug use go down, and age of first use go up. The statistical evidence from countries that have done this is too strong to say otherwise. Also, 99% of associated crimes are not caused by cannabis, or the cannabis users. They are caused by the gangs which control cannabis, with a regulated system associated crimes will decline. As we see in countries that legally regulate. Its not about giving 'stoners' what they want. Its about taking control of this plant, and not brushing the problem under the carpet which has causes more harm than cannabis ever could. Do some research on alcohol prohibition, to understand the dangers of not regulating something. As i said, it being illegal has nothing to do with the potential for harm. Morphine and cannabis are not the same, cannabis is extremely non toxic, its safer than paracetamol. Its about regulation, not handing control to criminals because 'Drugs are mad....mkay'. lets have a policy based on science, evidence and expert advice, not lies, greed, vested interest and cowardice.

I'm comparing the argument - the same can be applied to both substances. As for cannabis being the safest plant on earth, that's utter rubbish. Are you suggesting that I should swap it for the lettuce I had in my sandwich earlier?

Okay, the safest drug, which is a plant, on earth, is that better for you? Its safer than alcohol, tobacco, pharmaceuticals and all illegal drugs. Its safer than Mcdonalds. Is that better?

"By any of the major criteria of harm - mortality, morbidity, toxicity, addictiveness and relationship with crime - cannabis is less harmful than any of the other major illicit drugs, or than alcohol or tobacco."
- Report of the British Police Foundation March 2000

I think that the way to debunk this current thinking is to start continually banging on about the price of cannabis because it is the price and only the price which attracts the criminality.A comparable crop would be rose petals which are used at weddings and take about the same amount of care as cannabis buds and about the same amount of time to mature.Grown in polytunnels organically I estimate that a kilo of skunk could be commercially produced for as little as forty to eighty pounds.The kilo asking price around here is about four thousand pounds for good weed and it is this difference which is the lure for growers of all kinds.When we examine the price of sativex it makes the black market look like the pharmaceutical equivalent of poundshop.If we can get the message across that the whole debate is about a commodity which is only worth pennies in real commercial terms we may have a better message with which to answer the criminality argument of the prohibition lobby.

''Are you suggesting that I should swap it for the lettuce I had in my sandwich earlier''

LOL no, i meant cannabis was the safest drug on earth, but it is a plant. Heroine and cocaine are not plants, they were plants until man manufactured highly addictive dangerous drugs from them. Cannabis is a plant, from begging to end. Nothing unnatural goes in to it for it to become what everyone smokes.

You may want to do some research on the nutritional value in cannabis seed and leaf. Juiced cannabis contains more Vitamin C than oranges and other fruits. Cannabis seed is highly nutritious and if it was legal, could help people starving.

Blind Haze wrote:

SuperSilverSourDiese

l wrote:
''but in that case you could use the same argument to make morphine generally available to the public.'' Cant you tell the difference between morphine and cannabis? One is addictive and deadly, one is the safest plant on earth. Hmm, I dont think you can compare the two. Morphine isnt prohibited though, so those who need it (but dont necessarily want it) can get it. Cannabis is illegal, and its got nothing to do with its harms which are microscopic compared to alcohol and most legal drugs. Prohibiting cannabis has gifting the control to criminals, which has created a dangerous situation for everyone. They sell to who ever what ever age and the only ID a dealer needs to see is money. They dont know/care about CBD content they just want cash. Children find cannabis easier to obtain that alcohol and tobacco, simply because their is no regulation or protection. Not with dealers controlling the market. Bringing cannabis into a regulated system will see drug use go down, and age of first use go up. The statistical evidence from countries that have done this is too strong to say otherwise. Also, 99% of associated crimes are not caused by cannabis, or the cannabis users. They are caused by the gangs which control cannabis, with a regulated system associated crimes will decline. As we see in countries that legally regulate. Its not about giving 'stoners' what they want. Its about taking control of this plant, and not brushing the problem under the carpet which has causes more harm than cannabis ever could. Do some research on alcohol prohibition, to understand the dangers of not regulating something. As i said, it being illegal has nothing to do with the potential for harm. Morphine and cannabis are not the same, cannabis is extremely non toxic, its safer than paracetamol. Its about regulation, not handing control to criminals because 'Drugs are mad....mkay'. lets have a policy based on science, evidence and expert advice, not lies, greed, vested interest and cowardice.

I'm comparing the argument - the same can be applied to both substances. As for cannabis being the safest plant on earth, that's utter rubbish. Are you suggesting that I should swap it for the lettuce I had in my sandwich earlier?

" Are you suggesting that I should swap it for the lettuce I had in my sandwich earlier?"

A bad choice of anaolgy as lettuce contains some really rather nasty narcotic substances, The Romans are said to have used it as a recreational drug. The island of Cos being one the those places that became renowned for it.

Like the truth or not but in terms of "toxicity" cannabis really is quite benign possibly more so than some varieties of lettuce.

Any other myths you need putting right about?

Give it up chaps, the trolls like Asbo, Jayman and Haze (ironically Haze is also the name of one of the most potent cannabis strains on earth!) have been completely brainwashed by what they read in the Sun decades ago and they don't have the brains to reassess their views in the light of better information, a condition normally known as pig ignorance or dementia. Just remember that the last Social Attitudes Survey by HM Govt revealed that now the majority of those under 65 would support decriminalisation so these silly old ****** are in the minority, This makes some sort of decriminalisation INEVITABLE one day. Whoopee!

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
Give it up chaps, the trolls like Asbo, Jayman and Haze (ironically Haze is also the name of one of the most potent cannabis strains on earth!) have been completely brainwashed by what they read in the Sun decades ago and they don't have the brains to reassess their views in the light of better information, a condition normally known as pig ignorance or dementia. Just remember that the last Social Attitudes Survey by HM Govt revealed that now the majority of those under 65 would support decriminalisation so these silly old ****** are in the minority, This makes some sort of decriminalisation INEVITABLE one day. Whoopee!

Something wrong with being old, sonny?

Of course there are going to be changes, cannabis will be the first but the evidence driving the debate regarding the whole of the prohibition issue says that first is the only special thing about it and it is that very speciality that my peers need to be told about. Unless we tell them, how else can they advise their children of the logic behind dropping 25% of their Allied Brewery stock and shifting some some of their pension fund into GW Pharma.

Stupid child, shut up, go away and get a clue.

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
Give it up chaps, the trolls like Asbo, Jayman and Haze (ironically Haze is also the name of one of the most potent cannabis strains on earth!) have been completely brainwashed by what they read in the Sun decades ago and they don't have the brains to reassess their views in the light of better information, a condition normally known as pig ignorance or dementia. Just remember that the last Social Attitudes Survey by HM Govt revealed that now the majority of those under 65 would support decriminalisation so these silly old ****** are in the minority, This makes some sort of decriminalisation INEVITABLE one day. Whoopee!

Well we may not be able to convince them its safer to use cannabis than the legal drugs. But we have to help them understand that prohibiting cannabis is causing FAR more harm than the cannabis itself. They can be anti cannabis all they like, as long as they are anti prohibition we are on the same page. Im anti alcohol, iv seen the destruction and death, yet i would never support alcohol prohibition as all it would do is create a gap in the market for the only people willing to risk freedom for money, criminals. As we have learnt from alcohol prohibition in the States, and cannabis prohibition now.

stevea62 wrote:

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
Give it up chaps, the trolls like Asbo, Jayman and Haze (ironically Haze is also the name of one of the most potent cannabis strains on earth!) have been completely brainwashed by what they read in the Sun decades ago and they don't have the brains to reassess their views in the light of better information, a condition normally known as pig ignorance or dementia. Just remember that the last Social Attitudes Survey by HM Govt revealed that now the majority of those under 65 would support decriminalisation so these silly old ****** are in the minority, This makes some sort of decriminalisation INEVITABLE one day. Whoopee!

Something wrong with being old, sonny?

Of course there are going to be changes, cannabis will be the first but the evidence driving the debate regarding the whole of the prohibition issue says that first is the only special thing about it and it is that very speciality that my peers need to be told about. Unless we tell them, how else can they advise their children of the logic behind dropping 25% of their Allied Brewery stock and shifting some some of their pension fund into GW Pharma.

Stupid child, shut up, go away and get a clue.

lol untruth. put squarely in your place by sinister stoner

looks like the peter (loser) reynolds' spambot annual convention

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
looks like the peter (loser) reynolds' spambot annual convention

You are seriously misguided.

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
looks like the peter (loser) reynolds' spambot annual convention

Bless you.

This, dear local readers, is a quote typical of those from certain factions within the legalise cannabis movement as it exists in the UK. It should be history but some simply cannot let it go.

The Daily Mail have used it as evidence for the assertion that cannabis damages your brain and in all honesty it is difficult to dispute.

Ignore both of us when we scratch each others eyes out. Now he has shown his colours the thread is all but done now anyway.

I do hope I have been of help and if any of you want more information most of the anti prohibitionist community will be more than happy to offer it but please bear in mind we are biased as it gets and make no apologies for it.

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
Also try this website, the NHS Mental Healthcare website... http://www.mentalhea

lthcare.org.uk/canna

bis
.
And this one...
http://www.lonsdalem

edicalcentre.nhs.uk/

usefulinfo/content.a

sp?id=40
.
And this one...
http://www.independe

nt.co.uk/news/world/

politics/calls-to-le

galise-cannabis-and-

ecstasy-2292485.html


.
And make sure you read the conclusions before you post Nebs.

Good day to you.
http://www.mentalhea
lthcare.org.uk/canna
bis is interesting. It tells us that the vast majority of cannabis users do not become unwell. But it also tells us about the the research into psychosis which seems worrying.
It should remain illegal until, if ever, it is scientifically proven that it does you no harm.
Research into youngsters shows that it can affect brain development, so I would suggest much harsher penalties for anyone found guilty of supplying cannabis to anyone under the age of 25, the age at which the brain is generally considered to be fully developed. Anyone under the age of 25 caught smoking it should be made to participate in a mental health study.

stevea62 wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
looks like the peter (loser) reynolds' spambot annual convention

Bless you.

This, dear local readers, is a quote typical of those from certain factions within the legalise cannabis movement as it exists in the UK. It should be history but some simply cannot let it go.

The Daily Mail have used it as evidence for the assertion that cannabis damages your brain and in all honesty it is difficult to dispute.

Ignore both of us when we scratch each others eyes out. Now he has shown his colours the thread is all but done now anyway.

I do hope I have been of help and if any of you want more information most of the anti prohibitionist community will be more than happy to offer it but please bear in mind we are biased as it gets and make no apologies for it.

i like that you address the other posters as "local". the joke is there's just you and your fellow spambots. is the daily mail all you got? you are on the margin and that is where you will stay sinister stoner. don't toe the party line and you will contact them to let them know they have lied (that is pure comedy even though it was delivered in such a deadpan way..have you considered a career in standup?)

Nebs wrote:

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
Also try this website, the NHS Mental Healthcare website... http://www.mentalhea


lthcare.org.uk/canna


bis
.
And this one...
http://www.lonsdalem


edicalcentre.nhs.uk/


usefulinfo/content.a


sp?id=40
.
And this one...
http://www.independe


nt.co.uk/news/world/


politics/calls-to-le


galise-cannabis-and-


ecstasy-2292485.html



.
And make sure you read the conclusions before you post Nebs.

Good day to you.
http://www.mentalhea

lthcare.org.uk/canna

bis is interesting. It tells us that the vast majority of cannabis users do not become unwell. But it also tells us about the the research into psychosis which seems worrying.
It should remain illegal until, if ever, it is scientifically proven that it does you no harm.
Research into youngsters shows that it can affect brain development, so I would suggest much harsher penalties for anyone found guilty of supplying cannabis to anyone under the age of 25, the age at which the brain is generally considered to be fully developed. Anyone under the age of 25 caught smoking it should be made to participate in a mental health study.

Professor Terrie Moffitt, from the Institute of Psychiatry at King’s College London, said: “I’m fairly confident that cannabis is safe for over-18 brains, but risky for under-18 brains.”

Stevea62 thanks for the compliment, btw I'm actually a sixty something senior professional who clearly knows a lot more about cannabis than dodos like you. When I referred to "old *****" I mean the over 65's. most of whom have no experience of cannabis whatsoever as cannabis didn't take off in this country until '68/'69.
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Still two steps behing the truth eh Nebs? The study says it is a problem for under 18s, NOT under 25s. Also the best, latest, biggest research study on cannabis psychosis, by Cambridge University in collaboration with others, says the psychosis rate is so small it is almost impossible to detect it from the background psychosis rates for the general population.

Nebs wrote:

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
Also try this website, the NHS Mental Healthcare website... http://www.mentalhea


lthcare.org.uk/canna


bis
.
And this one...
http://www.lonsdalem


edicalcentre.nhs.uk/


usefulinfo/content.a


sp?id=40
.
And this one...
http://www.independe


nt.co.uk/news/world/


politics/calls-to-le


galise-cannabis-and-


ecstasy-2292485.html



.
And make sure you read the conclusions before you post Nebs.

Good day to you.
http://www.mentalhea

lthcare.org.uk/canna

bis is interesting. It tells us that the vast majority of cannabis users do not become unwell. But it also tells us about the the research into psychosis which seems worrying.
It should remain illegal until, if ever, it is scientifically proven that it does you no harm.
Research into youngsters shows that it can affect brain development, so I would suggest much harsher penalties for anyone found guilty of supplying cannabis to anyone under the age of 25, the age at which the brain is generally considered to be fully developed. Anyone under the age of 25 caught smoking it should be made to participate in a mental health study.

Nebs, cannabis causes much less harm than paracetamol, so your fooling yourself if you think its illegal because its harmful. Cannabis is the safest recreational drug on earth. Its not illegal because of its potential for harm.

If you want to see the damage drugs can do, visit any A&E on a Friday or Saturday night. All related to alcohol and other drugs, not cannabis.

So your in favour of criminals controlling drugs with no regulation and quality control, as opposed to informed professionals selling lab tested cannabis in adult only licensed outlets?? Wow, sure your not a dealer? And you know prohibition keeps you paid and legal regulation may put you out of the job?

Can I please see the scientific evidence that proves cannabis causes psychosis? Because I know its non existent. Misguided prohibitionist can copy and paste government propaganda all day, all your doing is strengthening the argument for legal regulation. Why would you want such a harmful plant being controlled by criminals without regulation? 10,000 years of known cannabis use and not one person died as a direct result. Regulating cannabis will see drug use go down, age of first use go up and associated crimes decline. The statistical evidence is too strong to suggest otherwise. One example, Portugal decriminalized drugs and 10 years later a staggering 50% drop in drug use. And thats without legal regulation, prevention and therapy is cheaper and more effective than prohibition. Prohibition has always done the opposite of what its meant to. Its a failed experiment that is only kept alive by Greed, Cowardice, the power of the alcohol, tobacco and pharmaceutical companies and of course personal prejudices. It being illegal has nothing to do with Expert advice, scientific evidence or our health and safety.

"Complete prohibition of all chemical mind changers can be decreed, but cannot be enforced, and tends to create more evils than it cures."
- Aldous Huxley "Drugs That Shape Men's Minds," Saturday Evening Post 1958

"By any of the major criteria of harm - mortality, morbidity, toxicity, addictiveness and relationship with crime - cannabis is less harmful than any of the other major illicit drugs, or than alcohol or tobacco."
- Report of the British Police Foundation March 2000

Sorry I dislike drug dealers and children using drugs or becoming enticed by gangsterism, so i say NO to prohibition and NOW to legal regulation.

I couldn't have put it better myself, SuperSilver. That's why I leave it to more articulate people like yourself to attempt to educate the majority (if indeed they are a majority).

Top man!

Druggie Scumbag wrote:
I couldn't have put it better myself, SuperSilver. That's why I leave it to more articulate people like yourself to attempt to educate the majority (if indeed they are a majority).

Top man!

Cheers Druggie Scumbag, more and more people are opening their eyes to the dangers of prohibition, so dont be surprised if the pro legal regulation lot are the majority. Many people, including people who never used or will use cannabis, are anti prohibition. It doesnt take a genius to realise what a disaster it was prohibiting alcohol. I think scared parents and misinformed prohibitionists think the legal regulation of cannabis comes from a very selfish place, they think we just want to be able to smoke/grow without fear of arrest and imprisonment. When that is but a minor factor in the grand scheme. They have to understand that prohibition is evil, and is causing far more problems than cannabis ever could. It effects everyone, cannabis user or not. They have to understand, the demand wont go away simply because its illegal, therefore they are left with a choice, who would you prefer controlling the cannabis market? Government approved professionals, from lab testing to quality control, to growing and selling by extremely informed caring people. Or criminal drug dealers? Who dont even know what CBD is, and spray the cannabis up with glass particles or heroine to get their young clientèle hooked onto something that will destroy their life, all in the name of profits. Its a no brainer for those with a brain.

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

stevea62 wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
looks like the peter (loser) reynolds' spambot annual convention

Bless you.

This, dear local readers, is a quote typical of those from certain factions within the legalise cannabis movement as it exists in the UK. It should be history but some simply cannot let it go.

The Daily Mail have used it as evidence for the assertion that cannabis damages your brain and in all honesty it is difficult to dispute.

Ignore both of us when we scratch each others eyes out. Now he has shown his colours the thread is all but done now anyway.

I do hope I have been of help and if any of you want more information most of the anti prohibitionist community will be more than happy to offer it but please bear in mind we are biased as it gets and make no apologies for it.

i like that you address the other posters as "local". the joke is there's just you and your fellow spambots. is the daily mail all you got? you are on the margin and that is where you will stay sinister stoner. don't toe the party line and you will contact them to let them know they have lied (that is pure comedy even though it was delivered in such a deadpan way..have you considered a career in standup?)

Of course my comments are directed at the locals, this is my local patch and matters about healthcare in this area are of direct concern to me. As locals I can assume a certain degree of informality with them and that includes what we should do about what we pay for. As a direct result of gaining that information I will find out a little more about cannabis and healthcare as it works(or doesn't) for ME. If talking about it raises a chuckle then so much the better and the message sticks that little bit harder.

stevea62 wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

stevea62 wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
looks like the peter (loser) reynolds' spambot annual convention

Bless you.

This, dear local readers, is a quote typical of those from certain factions within the legalise cannabis movement as it exists in the UK. It should be history but some simply cannot let it go.

The Daily Mail have used it as evidence for the assertion that cannabis damages your brain and in all honesty it is difficult to dispute.

Ignore both of us when we scratch each others eyes out. Now he has shown his colours the thread is all but done now anyway.

I do hope I have been of help and if any of you want more information most of the anti prohibitionist community will be more than happy to offer it but please bear in mind we are biased as it gets and make no apologies for it.

i like that you address the other posters as "local". the joke is there's just you and your fellow spambots. is the daily mail all you got? you are on the margin and that is where you will stay sinister stoner. don't toe the party line and you will contact them to let them know they have lied (that is pure comedy even though it was delivered in such a deadpan way..have you considered a career in standup?)

Of course my comments are directed at the locals, this is my local patch and matters about healthcare in this area are of direct concern to me. As locals I can assume a certain degree of informality with them and that includes what we should do about what we pay for. As a direct result of gaining that information I will find out a little more about cannabis and healthcare as it works(or doesn't) for ME. If talking about it raises a chuckle then so much the better and the message sticks that little bit harder.

local..righto!. where are you based?

Wow these prohibitionists are dedicated, funny how drug dealers support prohibition as well...hmm

@ beyond the valley of the asbos

Forget it, I am not inviting you round for dinner.

stevea62 wrote:
@ beyond the valley of the asbos

Forget it, I am not inviting you round for dinner.

And there was me thinking asbo had finally made friends with someone.
:-)

so. cannabis get legalised....

the first thing that will happen is that the big tobacco companies will move in and produce the product.

THC content will be restricted by the government, the drug that you recognise will be nothing that will be available on the legal market.

home cultivation in mass quantity will remain illegal, why would the government tolerate infringement on lucrative tax revenue.

the drug will be remain low brow and shunned (as tobacco users are now).

cannabis is not a cup of tea

its a mind altering drug,

jayman wrote:
so. cannabis get legalised....

the first thing that will happen is that the big tobacco companies will move in and produce the product.

THC content will be restricted by the government, the drug that you recognise will be nothing that will be available on the legal market.

home cultivation in mass quantity will remain illegal, why would the government tolerate infringement on lucrative tax revenue.

the drug will be remain low brow and shunned (as tobacco users are now).

cannabis is not a cup of tea

its a mind altering drug,

just read that back to myself.. sorry about the grammar mistakes. its been a long day at work..

SuperSilverSourDiese
l wrote:
Wow these prohibitionists are dedicated, funny how drug dealers support prohibition as well...hmm

oh... i love it.

you actually think you are being persecuted for a noble cause...lol

Right lads, the next prohibitionist/Illum
inati/scrabble meeting will be next Monday at franks house, John, you can bring the sandwiches and pop. Mike, you can bring the scrabble for after. We have to stop this evil cannabis threat..

you give yourself to much credit..

this is not prohibition.. Its pest control.

SuperSilverSourDiese
l wrote:
Wow these prohibitionists are dedicated, funny how drug dealers support prohibition as well...hmm

it's not prohibition because that word implies the rules will be relaxed at some point. cannabis will never be legalised

SuperSilverSourDiese
l wrote:

Nebs wrote:

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
Also try this website, the NHS Mental Healthcare website... http://www.mentalhea



lthcare.org.uk/canna



bis
.
And this one...
http://www.lonsdalem



edicalcentre.nhs.uk/



usefulinfo/content.a



sp?id=40
.
And this one...
http://www.independe



nt.co.uk/news/world/



politics/calls-to-le



galise-cannabis-and-



ecstasy-2292485.html




.
And make sure you read the conclusions before you post Nebs.

Good day to you.
http://www.mentalhea


lthcare.org.uk/canna


bis is interesting. It tells us that the vast majority of cannabis users do not become unwell. But it also tells us about the the research into psychosis which seems worrying.
It should remain illegal until, if ever, it is scientifically proven that it does you no harm.
Research into youngsters shows that it can affect brain development, so I would suggest much harsher penalties for anyone found guilty of supplying cannabis to anyone under the age of 25, the age at which the brain is generally considered to be fully developed. Anyone under the age of 25 caught smoking it should be made to participate in a mental health study.

Nebs, cannabis causes much less harm than paracetamol, so your fooling yourself if you think its illegal because its harmful. Cannabis is the safest recreational drug on earth. Its not illegal because of its potential for harm.

If you want to see the damage drugs can do, visit any A&E on a Friday or Saturday night. All related to alcohol and other drugs, not cannabis.

So your in favour of criminals controlling drugs with no regulation and quality control, as opposed to informed professionals selling lab tested cannabis in adult only licensed outlets?? Wow, sure your not a dealer? And you know prohibition keeps you paid and legal regulation may put you out of the job?

Can I please see the scientific evidence that proves cannabis causes psychosis? Because I know its non existent. Misguided prohibitionist can copy and paste government propaganda all day, all your doing is strengthening the argument for legal regulation. Why would you want such a harmful plant being controlled by criminals without regulation? 10,000 years of known cannabis use and not one person died as a direct result. Regulating cannabis will see drug use go down, age of first use go up and associated crimes decline. The statistical evidence is too strong to suggest otherwise. One example, Portugal decriminalized drugs and 10 years later a staggering 50% drop in drug use. And thats without legal regulation, prevention and therapy is cheaper and more effective than prohibition. Prohibition has always done the opposite of what its meant to. Its a failed experiment that is only kept alive by Greed, Cowardice, the power of the alcohol, tobacco and pharmaceutical companies and of course personal prejudices. It being illegal has nothing to do with Expert advice, scientific evidence or our health and safety.

"Complete prohibition of all chemical mind changers can be decreed, but cannot be enforced, and tends to create more evils than it cures."
- Aldous Huxley "Drugs That Shape Men's Minds," Saturday Evening Post 1958

"By any of the major criteria of harm - mortality, morbidity, toxicity, addictiveness and relationship with crime - cannabis is less harmful than any of the other major illicit drugs, or than alcohol or tobacco."
- Report of the British Police Foundation March 2000

Sorry I dislike drug dealers and children using drugs or becoming enticed by gangsterism, so i say NO to prohibition and NOW to legal regulation.

Why are you putting words into my mouth that I did not say.
Lets put a few things straight.
You ask if I am a dealer. Lord knows what gives you that impression. The answer is no. You asked. I answered. Now I will ask you. Are you a user?
You also asked Can I please see the scientific evidence that proves cannabis causes psychosis? Can I refer you to my previous post, which drew on a link from the poster I was replying to. It referred to ongoing research. Ongoing research is not scientific evidence. I could equally ask to see the scientific evidence that proves cannabis does not cause psychosis, but that would be a pointless question as everybody knows that research funded by either side of the argument will conclude what that side wants to conclude. There are plenty of articles on the internet that describe cannabis as anything from completely harmless and the saviour of the human race through to something akin to the black death, and everything in between. I am sure you can point to many articles that will prove there is no link between cannabis and psychosis, just as I can point to many that show that there is a link. They can't all be right.
I go by what I have seen in my life, at the likes of Runwell and Bethlem. I accept that a large number of people will suffer no long term affects, but from what I have seen of the long term problems caused by cannabis use I remain of the opinion that it should be banned.
If someone can come up with a scientific test that will show who will and who won't suffer long term affects, possibly based on DNA or brain function or whatever they discover in the future, then that will be fine and those who won't be affected can carry on. The current system of trial and error and discovering someone will suffer long term affects only after they have been using it and have become a pothead, is not the way forward.
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On the plus side, this little machine should make raids of the type recently carried out at Mayhem a thing of the past, and should also remove drug drivers from our roads. http://news.cnet.com
/8301-27083_3-573224
16-247/doing-drugs-b
eware-this-fingerpri
nting-device/

if you want evidence of classic symptoms of excess cannabis use it's all right here on this thread. paranoia, fears of persecution, and psychosis (just read this if you need further evidence - "I don't wish to appear confrontation but can you tell us who gave you that information. I ask because the information you quote is just wrong and if we are going to lay this myth about the evils of drugs to rest once and for all we desperately need to tell the truth about the whole subject. So, who do we have to contact to tell them that they have lied to you and so stop them doing it in the future?"

If someone can come up with a scientific test that will show who will and who won't suffer long term affects, possibly based on DNA or brain function or whatever they discover in the future

I know it is not actually in place but a Manchester based group is starting a study on cannabis psychosis with the presumption that the effects are an indication of a tendency towards being vulnerable not to cannabis but to psychosis itself. If they are right the next study after that should identify the processes responsible. This may lead to a simple blood test which will enable us to support them through their lives and keep them protected from any external triggers.

Is that close enough for a start?

stevea62 wrote:
If someone can come up with a scientific test that will show who will and who won't suffer long term affects, possibly based on DNA or brain function or whatever they discover in the future

I know it is not actually in place but a Manchester based group is starting a study on cannabis psychosis with the presumption that the effects are an indication of a tendency towards being vulnerable not to cannabis but to psychosis itself. If they are right the next study after that should identify the processes responsible. This may lead to a simple blood test which will enable us to support them through their lives and keep them protected from any external triggers.

Is that close enough for a start?

sad and desperate

Why not legalize cannabis, get rid of the dealers dens & provide a few integral and well thought out coffee shops in Southend, as in Amsterdam.
This works extremely well in Holland, they provide a comfortable & social environnment (without alcohol), people don't go overboard & it allows people a moment of "legal" relaxation.
Is there really any difference if compared to consuming alcohol in a pub?

Perhaps our social culture needs analysing to bring forth some long overdue change & for the Govt to make a stance towards a new way forward.

Alec Cikes wrote:
Why not legalize cannabis, get rid of the dealers dens & provide a few integral and well thought out coffee shops in Southend, as in Amsterdam.
This works extremely well in Holland, they provide a comfortable & social environnment (without alcohol), people don't go overboard & it allows people a moment of "legal" relaxation.
Is there really any difference if compared to consuming alcohol in a pub?

have we really become that detached from our own humanity that we now 'need' a drug to help us 'relax'

Religion and drugs are the same thing in my eyes.

They both offer unsustainable solutions to made up and often man made problems.

in summery, we have become so synthetic in our lives and so utterly inward looking that we no longer have the ability to appreciate the stimulants that our body produces naturally ie adrenalin and endorphins.

there are real problems with great importance that our politicians procrastinate from and refuse to deal with because they are difficult and require 'management' in a way that is politically sensitive. Like the Tories blueprinting the NHS to failure so that the politically easy option of 'get blue circle to buy the NHS' once we have masterfully driven it into oblivion.

lets not give parliament any excuses to waste debating time on subjects that they will entertain only to fill the void. especially as the country goes down the pan.

I have smoked Cannabis for nearly 10 years now since the age of 18. It hasn't 'altered my mind', made me any less stable or made me a psychopath. I smoke it because i enjoy the feeling i get when i do. If i am feeling stressed about anything i will use cannabis and the stress and worry will then go away and a logical solution then comes to mind. The people that have mental problems from using cannabis are deluded and already had Mental Health Issues before even touching the drug. I had a friend who was a paranoid guy when normal as it was and when he smoked cannabis it made him twice as bad so there are dangers to smoking Cannabis. Thankfully he realized that the Cannabis was making him worse and stopped smoking it all together. The side of Cannabis i don't like is the the different strands of the drug that are available on the streets. There are different kinds of Cannabis that affect the Brain in different ways. Some Cannabis makes me demotivated and lazy, other Cannabis makes me happy and stress free but the trouble is you just don't know what you are buying these days and it is way stronger then back in the 70's and 80's as these dealers know the stronger the cannabis they grow the more income they can make. I hear the arguments of both sides. For illness such as MS, Anxiety etc yeah its brilliant but when a young teenager is buying it they don't know what they are getting. I believe it should be regulated in a similar fashion to the States for Medical purposes only and you have to have a license to purchase it preferably given by a Medical Professional only. That way it could be regulated and watched like big brother, the government will be able to control what is happening with the drug and those found to be growing without a license should be jailed. Remember guys it is a illegal drug because we do not fully understand what it does to our brain and body over a sustained period of use. Whenever i smoke cannabis i know i am taking a chance with my own well being.

Sorry ,but this house is in Shoebury, it's an average semi,rented out to scum bags.
Shoebury doesn't do up market,posh or demure..it's rough.
Thorpe Bay is classy and |I love it.

Why did' nt the police watch the house until someone was in ? Would have caught the person(s) red handed,and saved the cost of a new door! Do the the police have brains, or do they just prefer the drama of a forced raid ?

kidkid wrote:
I have smoked Cannabis for nearly 10 years now since the age of 18. It hasn't 'altered my mind', made me any less stable or made me a psychopath. I smoke it because i enjoy the feeling i get when i do. If i am feeling stressed about anything i will use cannabis and the stress and worry will then go away and a logical solution then comes to mind. The people that have mental problems from using cannabis are deluded and already had Mental Health Issues before even touching the drug. I had a friend who was a paranoid guy when normal as it was and when he smoked cannabis it made him twice as bad so there are dangers to smoking Cannabis. Thankfully he realized that the Cannabis was making him worse and stopped smoking it all together. The side of Cannabis i don't like is the the different strands of the drug that are available on the streets. There are different kinds of Cannabis that affect the Brain in different ways. Some Cannabis makes me demotivated and lazy, other Cannabis makes me happy and stress free but the trouble is you just don't know what you are buying these days and it is way stronger then back in the 70's and 80's as these dealers know the stronger the cannabis they grow the more income they can make. I hear the arguments of both sides. For illness such as MS, Anxiety etc yeah its brilliant but when a young teenager is buying it they don't know what they are getting. I believe it should be regulated in a similar fashion to the States for Medical purposes only and you have to have a license to purchase it preferably given by a Medical Professional only. That way it could be regulated and watched like big brother, the government will be able to control what is happening with the drug and those found to be growing without a license should be jailed. Remember guys it is a illegal drug because we do not fully understand what it does to our brain and body over a sustained period of use. Whenever i smoke cannabis i know i am taking a chance with my own well being.

Interesting post. Are you watching the live drug trial on tv this week?

Alec Cikes wrote:
Why not legalize cannabis, get rid of the dealers dens & provide a few integral and well thought out coffee shops in Southend, as in Amsterdam.
This works extremely well in Holland, they provide a comfortable & social environnment (without alcohol), people don't go overboard & it allows people a moment of "legal" relaxation.
Is there really any difference if compared to consuming alcohol in a pub?

Great plan, make Southend the destination of choice for every pothead in Europe. I thought the Dutch government were trying to restrict coffee shops to locals only, and also restrict the potency of the products offered. But the coffee shop owners don't like the idea and there way well be a court case to decide the issue.

v.randy wrote:
Sorry ,but this house is in Shoebury, it's an average semi,rented out to scum bags.
Shoebury doesn't do up market,posh or demure..it's rough.
Thorpe Bay is classy and |I love it.

I can swear that I do not rent a house in Shoebury- nor Thorpe Bay come to that- I do play golf there sometimes though.

kidkid "the trouble is you just don't know what you are buying these days and it is way stronger then back in the 70's and 80's". Rubbish, and how would you know if you've only been smoking for ten years? Top grade hashish from the 60s and 70s was every bit as strong as anything seen today except possibly the most potent Northern Lights varieties which, as far as I know is not often available. We suspect someone is comparing average grades from the 60s and 70s with modern Northern Lights varieties to give this oft quoted but skewed comparison. This could also reflect the fact that the quality did decline in the 70s for most people but not for us as we had connections in the music business which only ever had top grades available.

kidkid "the trouble is you just don't know what you are buying these days and it is way stronger then back in the 70's and 80's". Rubbish, and how would you know if you've only been smoking for ten years? Top grade hashish from the 60s and 70s was every bit as strong as anything seen today except possibly the most potent Northern Lights varieties which, as far as I know is not often available. We suspect someone is comparing average grades from the 60s and 70s with modern Northern Lights varieties to give this oft quoted but skewed comparison. This could also reflect the fact that the quality did decline in the 70s for most people but not for us as we had connections in the music business which only ever had top grades available.

kidkid "the trouble is you just don't know what you are buying these days and it is way stronger then back in the 70's and 80's". Rubbish, and how would you know if you've only been smoking for ten years? Top grade hashish from the 60s and 70s was every bit as strong as anything seen today except possibly the most potent Northern Lights varieties which, as far as I know is not often available. We suspect someone is comparing average grades from the 60s and 70s with modern Northern Lights varieties to give this oft quoted but skewed comparison. This could also reflect the fact that the quality did decline in the 70s for most people but not for us as we had connections in the music business which only ever had top grades available.

Laura Smith writes: " POLICE who raided a smart looking house"

Sorry Laura but if that is your idea of a smart looking house I'm glad I'm not your neighbour.

Nebs wrote:

Alec Cikes wrote:
Why not legalize cannabis, get rid of the dealers dens & provide a few integral and well thought out coffee shops in Southend, as in Amsterdam.
This works extremely well in Holland, they provide a comfortable & social environnment (without alcohol), people don't go overboard & it allows people a moment of "legal" relaxation.
Is there really any difference if compared to consuming alcohol in a pub?

Great plan, make Southend the destination of choice for every pothead in Europe. I thought the Dutch government were trying to restrict coffee shops to locals only, and also restrict the potency of the products offered. But the coffee shop owners don't like the idea and there way well be a court case to decide the issue.

For the Dutch it is something of a catch 22. They decriminalised possession way back when and in a moment of enlightenment decided it would apply to all comers and not just the locals. A few years pass and they are supplying what is seen by many of their citizens as an unwanted foreign tourist market. In exactly the same way as you describe a future Southend and, like all matters surrounding prohibition, it is entirely a result of the prohibition itself and not the substance.

Their problem is our response to our own prohibition and really it is up to us to fix. International pressure to change the way we treat all drugs, not the comparatively harmless ones like alcohol and pot, is growing and changes are happening. Eventually Britain will catch up and the effect as we see it on Southend seafront will probably be best demonstrated by the number of empty seats in A&E at half past 11 on a Saturday night.

our lives are so hollow and empty we need to escape the mundanity of our own existence - yeah. high five me poet peter

The only one with a mundane existence is you Asbo, who else is on here all hours posting the same tired old comments over and over again? Suits you sir.

v.randy wrote:
Sorry ,but this house is in Shoebury, it's an average semi,rented out to scum bags.
Shoebury doesn't do up market,posh or demure..it's rough.
Thorpe Bay is classy and |I love it.

Trouble is you are probably not classy. However, you are probably a frigid uptight mary whitehouse type.

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
The only one with a mundane existence is you Asbo, who else is on here all hours posting the same tired old comments over and over again? Suits you sir.

well er....you are lol. you're just sore 'cos you don't get the high fives anymore

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
The only one with a mundane existence is you Asbo, who else is on here all hours posting the same tired old comments over and over again? Suits you sir.

your presence is rendered redundant when the spambots are in town. actually, forget that, were you ever not redundant?

A good friend of mine used cannabis to ease his multiple sclerosis. It helped but unfortunately it had no restorative properties on him and his deterioration still continues.

A friend of my son's enjoyed cannabis and unfortunately developed a self destructive psychosis and because of this effect he is now no longer with us. A awful waste of a lovely young lads life.

grippie wrote:
A good friend of mine used cannabis to ease his multiple sclerosis. It helped but unfortunately it had no restorative properties on him and his deterioration still continues. A friend of my son's enjoyed cannabis and unfortunately developed a self destructive psychosis and because of this effect he is now no longer with us. A awful waste of a lovely young lads life.

Sorry to hear that but it's pounds to peanuts there was something wrong with him long before he tried cannabis. As the largest, most comprehensive study to date, from Cambridge Uni and others, says the level of psychosis is so similar to that expected in the general population that it's almost impossible to tell if any cases were caused by cannabis or if they would have happened anyway.

Gee Bellend 1, how funny your comment over The supposedly v. randy!
v. randy must really be suffering from the Batty swollocks syndrome in Thorpe Bay.

Thorpe Bay was considered as being "classy" 30+ years ago. It is definitely no longer.
How funny that v. randy should link the Shoebury drugs dens today.
The moral conditioning of drugs in Thorpe Bay, what was, the "so-called" expensive part of Southend-on-Sea, is definitely on the wind down today. The whole area in rife in drugs. Get real!

I couldn't agree more.Thorpe Bay is pants just like Shoebury.
Shoebury = druggies
Thorpe Bay= Bankers
Take your choice.

I suppose when you put
Thorpe bay = bankers.
You meant. Thorpe bay = ****...... Easy mistake I guess v randy.

v.randy wrote:
Sorry ,but this house is in Shoebury, it's an average semi,rented out to scum bags.
Shoebury doesn't do up market,posh or demure..it's rough.
Thorpe Bay is classy and |I love it.

Actually Shoebury does do up market mate, http://www.officers-
mess.co.uk/ certainly wouldn't call it rough here. Forpe Bay (as its known) is definitely the most expensive part of Southend but does lack character and is mostly populated with retired folk with less interest in bars and restaurants hence the lack of amenities. Lets face it none of South Essex is very "posh", and I'm sure people are quite happy with that. I don't want to live in a place where the have nots stare at acres of private land surrounding the inherited mansions. Now that's soulless.