We rescued boys in from water at Southend - where were all the warnings? (From Southend Standard)
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We rescued boys in from water at Southend - where were all the warnings?
9:00am Sunday 2nd September 2012 in Echo News By George Thorpe
A SERIES of potentially-lethal accidents off Southend beaches has prompted calls for more safety warnings to be posted.
Cousins who saved two boys’ lives have urged Southend Council to put up more signs telling bathers how to stay out of danger.
On Friday afternoon, Joanne Corboy, 37, from Leigh, and Catherine Osborne, 43, from Westcliff, spotted two 11-year-olds struggling in the water off Chalkwell Beach.
Ms Corboy and a male passer-by went into the water and dragged the youngsters out, while Ms Osborne stayed on shore and called the emergency services. The boys, called Liam and Shane, were taken to Southend Hospital for treatment.
Days after the rescue, the two women called for more warnings and extra safety equipment.
Ms Corboy said: “Safety around the beach really needs to be highlighted, because the tide does come in quickly in Chalkwell. The boys were unsupervised and when I jumped in, there was nothing nearby for me to grab to help float them back to shore.
“I consider myself a strong swimmer, but even I had trouble swimming. It has made me more aware of the dangers.
“We need better signs. The boys were both so polite and brave, but they thought they were going to die. It could have been prevented if more information had been around.”
Southend RNLI spokesman Den Freeman said there were already some safety boards along the seafront and urged swimmers to take notice of them.
Mr Freeman added: “The advice we give is to be aware of the surroundings, know the times of the tides and look at the weather conditions as they affect the water.
“But even locals get caught out, so I can understand the concerns raised.”
Scott Dolling, Southend Council’s tourism manager, said: “We do provide boards across the seafront with safety information. We also employ resort assistants through the season to patrol and help assist visitors with matters including safety and first aid.”
Comments(65)
tws123
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9:19am Sun 2 Sep 12
V_is_back
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9:29am Sun 2 Sep 12
I think it's an intelligence issue caused by the health and safety culture. There are too many signs. People are now so dumbed down they are little more than witless cattle incapable of thinking for themselves.
Basically, if there isn't a sign saying 'Beware' or 'Danger' or 'Do Not!' they are incapable of assessing or imagining there may be risk. You can see this every day at pedestrian crossings: people will press the button to make the little green man light up… even if the road is empty! Or, if there is no pedestrian crossing they are unable to figure out how to cross a road safely (this works both ways as when the same people are in their cars they think people only cross roads at crossings).
The health and safety culture has bred a society of morons.
It's as simple as that.
Max Impact
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9:57am Sun 2 Sep 12
What more would these women like the Council do... Issue everyone a lifejacket, rubber ring, distress beacon, immersion suit, personal lifeguard, personal rescue chopper, ban the tide coming in.
There are more than enough warnings.
Southend on Sea there is a hint in the name.
JuliaM
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10:00am Sun 2 Sep 12
V_is_back wrote:I wish I could recommend this comment ten times over!
The tides haven't changed, the beaches haven't changed, the weather hasn't changed, yet every year we hear of more people getting into trouble off Southend's coast. So if the conditions haven't changed then the people must have changed.
I think it's an intelligence issue caused by the health and safety culture. There are too many signs. People are now so dumbed down they are little more than witless cattle incapable of thinking for themselves.
Basically, if there isn't a sign saying 'Beware' or 'Danger' or 'Do Not!' they are incapable of assessing or imagining there may be risk. You can see this every day at pedestrian crossings: people will press the button to make the little green man light up… even if the road is empty! Or, if there is no pedestrian crossing they are unable to figure out how to cross a road safely (this works both ways as when the same people are in their cars they think people only cross roads at crossings).
The health and safety culture has bred a society of morons.
It's as simple as that.
EssexPerson
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10:04am Sun 2 Sep 12
Besides who's fault is it that they weren't supervised in the first place?
V_is_back
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10:11am Sun 2 Sep 12
JuliaM wrote:I see no recommendation system on my computer at all. See people talking about it, but I don't see it. I use an iMac, a Windows laptop, and an iPhone, but there is no recommendation system visible on any of them.
V_is_back wrote:I wish I could recommend this comment ten times over!
The tides haven't changed, the beaches haven't changed, the weather hasn't changed, yet every year we hear of more people getting into trouble off Southend's coast. So if the conditions haven't changed then the people must have changed.
I think it's an intelligence issue caused by the health and safety culture. There are too many signs. People are now so dumbed down they are little more than witless cattle incapable of thinking for themselves.
Basically, if there isn't a sign saying 'Beware' or 'Danger' or 'Do Not!' they are incapable of assessing or imagining there may be risk. You can see this every day at pedestrian crossings: people will press the button to make the little green man light up… even if the road is empty! Or, if there is no pedestrian crossing they are unable to figure out how to cross a road safely (this works both ways as when the same people are in their cars they think people only cross roads at crossings).
The health and safety culture has bred a society of morons.
It's as simple as that.
Max Impact
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10:17am Sun 2 Sep 12
V_is_back wrote:Same here, desk top, lap top no tumbs up/down
JuliaM wrote:I see no recommendation system on my computer at all. See people talking about it, but I don't see it. I use an iMac, a Windows laptop, and an iPhone, but there is no recommendation system visible on any of them.V_is_back wrote: The tides haven't changed, the beaches haven't changed, the weather hasn't changed, yet every year we hear of more people getting into trouble off Southend's coast. So if the conditions haven't changed then the people must have changed. I think it's an intelligence issue caused by the health and safety culture. There are too many signs. People are now so dumbed down they are little more than witless cattle incapable of thinking for themselves. Basically, if there isn't a sign saying 'Beware' or 'Danger' or 'Do Not!' they are incapable of assessing or imagining there may be risk. You can see this every day at pedestrian crossings: people will press the button to make the little green man light up… even if the road is empty! Or, if there is no pedestrian crossing they are unable to figure out how to cross a road safely (this works both ways as when the same people are in their cars they think people only cross roads at crossings). The health and safety culture has bred a society of morons. It's as simple as that.I wish I could recommend this comment ten times over!
Mobile shows it sometimes...!
Russ13
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10:18am Sun 2 Sep 12
reptile
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10:38am Sun 2 Sep 12
midgetman
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10:45am Sun 2 Sep 12
Soouthchurch59
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11:03am Sun 2 Sep 12
Happygirly
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11:03am Sun 2 Sep 12
perini
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11:18am Sun 2 Sep 12
God Almighty
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11:21am Sun 2 Sep 12
V_is_back wrote:TOO TRUE!
The tides haven't changed, the beaches haven't changed, the weather hasn't changed, yet every year we hear of more people getting into trouble off Southend's coast. So if the conditions haven't changed then the people must have changed. I think it's an intelligence issue caused by the health and safety culture. There are too many signs. People are now so dumbed down they are little more than witless cattle incapable of thinking for themselves. Basically, if there isn't a sign saying 'Beware' or 'Danger' or 'Do Not!' they are incapable of assessing or imagining there may be risk. You can see this every day at pedestrian crossings: people will press the button to make the little green man light up… even if the road is empty! Or, if there is no pedestrian crossing they are unable to figure out how to cross a road safely (this works both ways as when the same people are in their cars they think people only cross roads at crossings). The health and safety culture has bred a society of morons. It's as simple as that.
Soouthchurch59
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11:21am Sun 2 Sep 12
en/brother/sister...
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God Almighty
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11:25am Sun 2 Sep 12
Happygirly wrote:Why shouldn't 11 year olds swim in the sea unsupervised? We did, and no harm came to any of us, because we used our common sense.
I feel for the boys and am concerned that aged only 11 they were unsupervised whilst swimming in the sea. I do think the parents need to take some responsibilty for their children. Thank the lord others were around to save them.
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I also blame the parents. I have lost count of the number of times I have had to screech to a halt because kids, big and little, have stepped straight out into the road without looking. Sadly an awful lot of modern parents seem to take no responsibility for teaching their kids to use their common sense, whether on the roads or in the sea.
Max Impact
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11:28am Sun 2 Sep 12
Soouthchurch59 wrote:My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.
Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr
en/brother/sister...
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AnotherSister
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11:41am Sun 2 Sep 12
V_is_back wrote:Could you please publish this somewhere prominent on the internet and other noticeable places, as you've perfectly summed up everything which has gone wrong with our now sad little nation.
The tides haven't changed, the beaches haven't changed, the weather hasn't changed, yet every year we hear of more people getting into trouble off Southend's coast. So if the conditions haven't changed then the people must have changed.
I think it's an intelligence issue caused by the health and safety culture. There are too many signs. People are now so dumbed down they are little more than witless cattle incapable of thinking for themselves.
Basically, if there isn't a sign saying 'Beware' or 'Danger' or 'Do Not!' they are incapable of assessing or imagining there may be risk. You can see this every day at pedestrian crossings: people will press the button to make the little green man light up… even if the road is empty! Or, if there is no pedestrian crossing they are unable to figure out how to cross a road safely (this works both ways as when the same people are in their cars they think people only cross roads at crossings).
The health and safety culture has bred a society of morons.
It's as simple as that.
Keptquiettillnow
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12:56pm Sun 2 Sep 12
V_is_back wrote:Spot on V
The tides haven't changed, the beaches haven't changed, the weather hasn't changed, yet every year we hear of more people getting into trouble off Southend's coast. So if the conditions haven't changed then the people must have changed.
I think it's an intelligence issue caused by the health and safety culture. There are too many signs. People are now so dumbed down they are little more than witless cattle incapable of thinking for themselves.
Basically, if there isn't a sign saying 'Beware' or 'Danger' or 'Do Not!' they are incapable of assessing or imagining there may be risk. You can see this every day at pedestrian crossings: people will press the button to make the little green man light up… even if the road is empty! Or, if there is no pedestrian crossing they are unable to figure out how to cross a road safely (this works both ways as when the same people are in their cars they think people only cross roads at crossings).
The health and safety culture has bred a society of morons.
It's as simple as that.
Soouthchurch59
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1:16pm Sun 2 Sep 12
Max Impact wrote:My children also. But nature (being what it is!) can catch *anybody* out at *any* time. Children drown in swimming pools even when manned by lifeguards.
Soouthchurch59 wrote:My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.
Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr
en/brother/sister...
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Unlike the sea, your argument holds little water....
southendshrimper
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2:19pm Sun 2 Sep 12
jaguarxxv
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3:10pm Sun 2 Sep 12
Max Impact
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7:12pm Sun 2 Sep 12
Soouthchurch59 wrote:No as both my Wife and I will be there, I know how to bring a child up and that they have to be watched, watched closely, they can all swim (apart from the baby) they only go into the sea if one of us is the other will stay with the other kids. They have had it drilled into them that only two can go into the water ant anyone time and unlike the ferial kids mine have respect for their parents and will do as wel tell them.
Max Impact wrote:My children also. But nature (being what it is!) can catch *anybody* out at *any* time. Children drown in swimming pools even when manned by lifeguards. Unlike the sea, your argument holds little water....Soouthchurch59 wrote: Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr en/brother/sister... ..My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.
They know not to go into the water if it is rough, not to go in soon after eating, they check the temprature and wear wetsuits and have a whistle with them to attract help if needed so far th whistle has never been blown.
southendshrimper
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7:24pm Sun 2 Sep 12
Max Impact wrote:Well said max, when me & my wife take our three to the front she will watch two of them whiles I take one into the water, they only like to paddle but we never go in if it is rough or cold. Always looking out for the tide & never leave one on there own. I.don't let my five year old have a bath on his own I let him have a game in the bath but always watch him. Some parents just can't be botherd anymore. Next they will try & sue the council because we have a sea that comes in & out.
Soouthchurch59 wrote:No as both my Wife and I will be there, I know how to bring a child up and that they have to be watched, watched closely, they can all swim (apart from the baby) they only go into the sea if one of us is the other will stay with the other kids. They have had it drilled into them that only two can go into the water ant anyone time and unlike the ferial kids mine have respect for their parents and will do as wel tell them.
Max Impact wrote:My children also. But nature (being what it is!) can catch *anybody* out at *any* time. Children drown in swimming pools even when manned by lifeguards. Unlike the sea, your argument holds little water....Soouthchurch59 wrote: Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr en/brother/sister... ..My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.
They know not to go into the water if it is rough, not to go in soon after eating, they check the temprature and wear wetsuits and have a whistle with them to attract help if needed so far th whistle has never been blown.
Max Impact
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8:27pm Sun 2 Sep 12
southendshrimper wrote:Sadly we live in a compensation society the slightest possible thing people slap in a claim, going off topic a woman us taking legal action over the new squatter law stating that it is a breach of her human rights... What about the rights of the home owner. whist its a start the squatting law must be extended to all properties and LAND.
Max Impact wrote:Well said max, when me & my wife take our three to the front she will watch two of them whiles I take one into the water, they only like to paddle but we never go in if it is rough or cold. Always looking out for the tide & never leave one on there own. I.don't let my five year old have a bath on his own I let him have a game in the bath but always watch him. Some parents just can't be botherd anymore. Next they will try & sue the council because we have a sea that comes in & out.
Soouthchurch59 wrote:No as both my Wife and I will be there, I know how to bring a child up and that they have to be watched, watched closely, they can all swim (apart from the baby) they only go into the sea if one of us is the other will stay with the other kids. They have had it drilled into them that only two can go into the water ant anyone time and unlike the ferial kids mine have respect for their parents and will do as wel tell them.
Max Impact wrote:My children also. But nature (being what it is!) can catch *anybody* out at *any* time. Children drown in swimming pools even when manned by lifeguards. Unlike the sea, your argument holds little water....Soouthchurch59 wrote: Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr en/brother/sister... ..My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.
They know not to go into the water if it is rough, not to go in soon after eating, they check the temprature and wear wetsuits and have a whistle with them to attract help if needed so far th whistle has never been blown.
AndyBSG
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8:53am Mon 3 Sep 12
Worst headline ever?
Sometimes when I read the Echo it amazes me that results in English GCSE's are supposedly improving every year yet we get an illiterate and nonsensical headline like that in a newspaper!
tinyone
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2:28pm Mon 3 Sep 12
There have been many stories over the last few weeks of children and adults drowning recently.
Max Impact
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3:11pm Mon 3 Sep 12
How many people do not know that the tide comes in the tide go's out, the tide come in the tide gos out...
V_is_back
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6:04pm Mon 3 Sep 12
Max Impact
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11:07pm Mon 3 Sep 12
Helps keep the heart pumping strong and keeps the fat levels down. Go out two some times htree times a day, end up with an hour or so in the gym at home.
I need to be at my peak physical fitness for work as its a very demanding and stressful job.
Chubby fingers and new mobiles don't get on! even more so when the screen is jumping about as you are jogging along, you should try it one day!
V_is_back
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11:12pm Mon 3 Sep 12
Max Impact wrote:Thanks, but I'm not so stupid as to use a phone when walking, running, or cycling. I prefer to look where I'm going.
Still on stand down from work, got to keep fit and jogging is something I like to do I goes all the way from Westcliff to Shoebury East Beach or Westcliff to Leigh Station.
Helps keep the heart pumping strong and keeps the fat levels down. Go out two some times htree times a day, end up with an hour or so in the gym at home.
I need to be at my peak physical fitness for work as its a very demanding and stressful job.
Chubby fingers and new mobiles don't get on! even more so when the screen is jumping about as you are jogging along, you should try it one day!
Max Impact
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11:58pm Mon 3 Sep 12
APR
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7:26am Tue 4 Sep 12
perini
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11:41am Tue 4 Sep 12
APR wrote:Beware - water Perhaps?
I wonder exactly how they would like the wording on the danger signs ?
Happylass
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12:48pm Tue 4 Sep 12
you're_scaring_me_now
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2:26pm Tue 4 Sep 12
I wonder if those commenters muttering about 'common-sense' would be saying so if their loved ones were almost killed in a similar accident?
V_is_back
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3:13pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Max Impact wrote:No, I'm just not a moronic ipodestrian, as you patently are.
Multi-tasking above and beyond your abilities then.
r6keith
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3:21pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Max Impact
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3:59pm Tue 4 Sep 12
you're_scaring_me_noAll my family all my friends know the tide comes in, they know the dangers and never stray too far from the beach.
w wrote:
Some of the comments on this article are nothing short of disgusting. But then that's to be expected from the usual suspects who go on their right-wing soapbox rants without considering the feelings of others. I wonder if those commenters muttering about 'common-sense' would be saying so if their loved ones were almost killed in a similar accident?
The main thing people are angry about is the fact these kids were not being watched by their parents, why should it be down to strangers to keep an eye on them.
Broadwaywatch
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4:49pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Max Impact wrote:Wear wet suites?
Soouthchurch59 wrote:No as both my Wife and I will be there, I know how to bring a child up and that they have to be watched, watched closely, they can all swim (apart from the baby) they only go into the sea if one of us is the other will stay with the other kids. They have had it drilled into them that only two can go into the water ant anyone time and unlike the ferial kids mine have respect for their parents and will do as wel tell them.
Max Impact wrote:My children also. But nature (being what it is!) can catch *anybody* out at *any* time. Children drown in swimming pools even when manned by lifeguards. Unlike the sea, your argument holds little water....Soouthchurch59 wrote: Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr en/brother/sister... ..My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.
They know not to go into the water if it is rough, not to go in soon after eating, they check the temprature and wear wetsuits and have a whistle with them to attract help if needed so far th whistle has never been blown.
God Almighty
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11:26am Wed 5 Sep 12
r6keith wrote:Ditto, me and my friends often went swimming on our own with no problem and this wasn't because we were neglected, all children (my friends included sons of dockers and sons of doctors) were allowed a lot more freedom back in the fifties before 'elf and safety culture took the place of common sense, A lot of modern parents don't bother explaining the dangers of the sea, roads etc to their kids, they leave that to the schools, teachers etc and then they complain when their little darlings get into trouble. Others take the opposite point of view and mollycoddle their kids and don't allow them any freedom to explore on their own. As a retired head teacher friend says, this has produced generations of kids with no road, or sea, sense and little initiative. No wonder this country is going down the tubes.
Common sense ! When I was 11, I swam in the sea, I went out to the ray across the creek at Chalkwell, later on I even swam the ray ! All unsupervised what is the problem with common sense ? It worked for me !
perini
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1:06pm Wed 5 Sep 12
God Almighty wrote:Quite agree - at aged 11 I was sailing a dinghy over to the Kent side and camping on the beach eating off a camp-fire. Never got drowned, didn't get burnt - might have got a bit cold and wet at times but it was part of the learning curve. Common sense and a lot of parent/child interaction would prepare you enough to go out by yourself and gain the relevant experience without killing yourself through stupidity
r6keith wrote: Common sense ! When I was 11, I swam in the sea, I went out to the ray across the creek at Chalkwell, later on I even swam the ray ! All unsupervised what is the problem with common sense ? It worked for me !Ditto, me and my friends often went swimming on our own with no problem and this wasn't because we were neglected, all children (my friends included sons of dockers and sons of doctors) were allowed a lot more freedom back in the fifties before 'elf and safety culture took the place of common sense, A lot of modern parents don't bother explaining the dangers of the sea, roads etc to their kids, they leave that to the schools, teachers etc and then they complain when their little darlings get into trouble. Others take the opposite point of view and mollycoddle their kids and don't allow them any freedom to explore on their own. As a retired head teacher friend says, this has produced generations of kids with no road, or sea, sense and little initiative. No wonder this country is going down the tubes.
God Almighty
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2:02pm Wed 5 Sep 12
Max Impact
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3:58pm Wed 5 Sep 12
Broadwaywatch wrote:I have dyslexia ko
Max Impact wrote:Wear wet suites?Soouthchurch59 wrote:No as both my Wife and I will be there, I know how to bring a child up and that they have to be watched, watched closely, they can all swim (apart from the baby) they only go into the sea if one of us is the other will stay with the other kids. They have had it drilled into them that only two can go into the water ant anyone time and unlike the ferial kids mine have respect for their parents and will do as wel tell them. They know not to go into the water if it is rough, not to go in soon after eating, they check the temprature and wear wetsuits and have a whistle with them to attract help if needed so far th whistle has never been blown.Max Impact wrote:My children also. But nature (being what it is!) can catch *anybody* out at *any* time. Children drown in swimming pools even when manned by lifeguards. Unlike the sea, your argument holds little water....Soouthchurch59 wrote: Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr en/brother/sister... ..My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.
Guess your 100% perfict all the time never make a mistake,
Get over yourself
God Almighty
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4:10pm Wed 5 Sep 12
Broadwaywatch
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6:26pm Wed 5 Sep 12
Max Impact wrote:I am certainly not criticising your spelling that is not the sort of thing I would ever think of doing:; anyway my spelling is quite awful at the best of times. Thank goodness for spell check.
Broadwaywatch wrote:I have dyslexia ko
Max Impact wrote:Wear wet suites?Soouthchurch59 wrote:No as both my Wife and I will be there, I know how to bring a child up and that they have to be watched, watched closely, they can all swim (apart from the baby) they only go into the sea if one of us is the other will stay with the other kids. They have had it drilled into them that only two can go into the water ant anyone time and unlike the ferial kids mine have respect for their parents and will do as wel tell them. They know not to go into the water if it is rough, not to go in soon after eating, they check the temprature and wear wetsuits and have a whistle with them to attract help if needed so far th whistle has never been blown.Max Impact wrote:My children also. But nature (being what it is!) can catch *anybody* out at *any* time. Children drown in swimming pools even when manned by lifeguards. Unlike the sea, your argument holds little water....Soouthchurch59 wrote: Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr en/brother/sister... ..My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.
Guess your 100% perfict all the time never make a mistake,
Get over yourself
I in fact was remarking on the wearing of wetsuits, (which in fact I think is indeed as you wrote it correctly as one word) for a day on the beach and going swimming or maybe I have jumped the gun and your youngsters are sailboarders or surfers. It just seems a little over the top just for swimming but there again times have changed. I have never used one myself.
Max Impact
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7:37pm Wed 5 Sep 12
Broadwaywatch wrote:Wet suits are used when we go Kayaking, the kids never go further out than the crowstone and then paddle along parallel with the beach I will go out about 12 foot more and stay slightly behind them, they also have lifejackets and helmets on.
Max Impact wrote:I am certainly not criticising your spelling that is not the sort of thing I would ever think of doing:; anyway my spelling is quite awful at the best of times. Thank goodness for spell check. I in fact was remarking on the wearing of wetsuits, (which in fact I think is indeed as you wrote it correctly as one word) for a day on the beach and going swimming or maybe I have jumped the gun and your youngsters are sailboarders or surfers. It just seems a little over the top just for swimming but there again times have changed. I have never used one myself.Broadwaywatch wrote:I have dyslexia ko Guess your 100% perfict all the time never make a mistake, Get over yourselfMax Impact wrote:Wear wet suites?Soouthchurch59 wrote:No as both my Wife and I will be there, I know how to bring a child up and that they have to be watched, watched closely, they can all swim (apart from the baby) they only go into the sea if one of us is the other will stay with the other kids. They have had it drilled into them that only two can go into the water ant anyone time and unlike the ferial kids mine have respect for their parents and will do as wel tell them. They know not to go into the water if it is rough, not to go in soon after eating, they check the temprature and wear wetsuits and have a whistle with them to attract help if needed so far th whistle has never been blown.Max Impact wrote:My children also. But nature (being what it is!) can catch *anybody* out at *any* time. Children drown in swimming pools even when manned by lifeguards. Unlike the sea, your argument holds little water....Soouthchurch59 wrote: Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr en/brother/sister... ..My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.
They were taught to swim early, they do swin off Southend with just swimsuits but have also been taught to swim fully clothed, it may sound strange but not when you think if you fall in to a lake of river when your not expecting it you are going to be fully dressed and not in swimming gear.
God Almighty
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7:42pm Wed 5 Sep 12
Max Impact
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8:31pm Wed 5 Sep 12
God Almighty wrote:Roll overs in the shallows, brats who lob stones better to have protection than a gash on the head.
A helmet in a kayak? What's that for? In case the sky falls on their heads?!
God Almighty
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8:53pm Wed 5 Sep 12
Broadwaywatch
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8:56pm Wed 5 Sep 12
Max Impact wrote:All this might seem a little extreme by some, me included but so saying I used to teach such in the army for a short while as an outward bound instructor in Norway. But that was in the Army not a day out within the boundaries of the Crowstone. However, one can’t justly criticize your said devotion towards the safety of your children.
Broadwaywatch wrote:Wet suits are used when we go Kayaking, the kids never go further out than the crowstone and then paddle along parallel with the beach I will go out about 12 foot more and stay slightly behind them, they also have lifejackets and helmets on.
Max Impact wrote:I am certainly not criticising your spelling that is not the sort of thing I would ever think of doing:; anyway my spelling is quite awful at the best of times. Thank goodness for spell check. I in fact was remarking on the wearing of wetsuits, (which in fact I think is indeed as you wrote it correctly as one word) for a day on the beach and going swimming or maybe I have jumped the gun and your youngsters are sailboarders or surfers. It just seems a little over the top just for swimming but there again times have changed. I have never used one myself.Broadwaywatch wrote:I have dyslexia ko Guess your 100% perfict all the time never make a mistake, Get over yourselfMax Impact wrote:Wear wet suites?Soouthchurch59 wrote:No as both my Wife and I will be there, I know how to bring a child up and that they have to be watched, watched closely, they can all swim (apart from the baby) they only go into the sea if one of us is the other will stay with the other kids. They have had it drilled into them that only two can go into the water ant anyone time and unlike the ferial kids mine have respect for their parents and will do as wel tell them. They know not to go into the water if it is rough, not to go in soon after eating, they check the temprature and wear wetsuits and have a whistle with them to attract help if needed so far th whistle has never been blown.Max Impact wrote:My children also. But nature (being what it is!) can catch *anybody* out at *any* time. Children drown in swimming pools even when manned by lifeguards. Unlike the sea, your argument holds little water....Soouthchurch59 wrote: Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr en/brother/sister... ..My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.
They were taught to swim early, they do swin off Southend with just swimsuits but have also been taught to swim fully clothed, it may sound strange but not when you think if you fall in to a lake of river when your not expecting it you are going to be fully dressed and not in swimming gear.
God Almighty
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Max Impact
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11:09pm Wed 5 Sep 12
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Well said Broadwaywatch, although as we sailors say, you can drown in a few inches of water so old Max is actually doing all the right things. Shame the people who drowned in Gairloch a couple of weeks ago didn't do the same. It was reported in the press that they were in a six man canoe. They weren't (I was there last week), it was a standard 2 man Canadian canoe, a river boat completely unsuitable for use at sea (no buoyancy etc) so they were overcrowded in an unsuitable boat with no lifejackets on, a recipe for disaster. Keep up the good work Max.
Having lost friends at work I take every possible precaution that I can, because I want to go home at night, I don't want my wife to have to tell my kids Daddys not coming home... ever.
Alec Cikes
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12:12am Thu 6 Sep 12
The Jetty Anglers along the front will always be in the know & could tell you the high tides, etc, also depending on the seasons.
Don't forget that we lose more light in the evenings after the 15th Aug... the moon's pull could be stronger.
Get yourselves informed & take care.
Alec Cikes
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12:23am Thu 6 Sep 12
Lie on a beach one evening for a couple of hours as we're approaching Sept, and you'll hear the strong pull. Take heed. Watch the boats, are they heading towards London or Shoebury ? that will also give u an indication as to what the tide is doing... going in or out.
For those who hold an interest, why not do some research by the beach & publish your findings on this site !
God Almighty
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Alec Cikes
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12:13am Fri 7 Sep 12
Lie on the beaches at night.. and see what the tides do after the 15th Aug... providing you don't put in your ear plugs in, you should be able to witness a change in the pull.
Alec Cikes
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God Almighty
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God Almighty
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Alec Cikes
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1:46am Sun 9 Sep 12
Live with your so-called numpty brain and your numpty theories! You don't portray as someone having much knowledge or style. Stick to your own.
God Almighty
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8:34pm Sun 9 Sep 12
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If you want to know the truth about how the tides work all you have to do is look at the tide tables (unless you are going to do an ET and deny the tide tables exist and refuse to look at them unless I send you a link, ho ho!).
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The first Sping tides after the 15th Sept reach their peak on the 18th Sept when the high tide is 6.14 metres and the low tide is 0.65 metres. If your childish ideas are correct the tides should continue to get higher after that BUT THEY DON'T.
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The following week the Neap tides reach their peak on 25th Sept with a very low high tide of 4.85m and a low tide of 1.23m, and this pattern of high highs, low lows (Spring tides) and low highs, high lows (Neap tides) continues in a two week cycle ad infinitum regardless of whether it's summer, winter or fall or whether you can see the moon or not. Got that dodo?
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ps where did you get your physics degree cos you should demand your money back! Ha ha!
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I must thank the Echo, until I found this website I never realised how many truly stupid people there are out there. Care in the community has a lot ot answer for.
Brunning999 says...
9:10am Sun 2 Sep 12