A129 in Rayleigh closed until 6pm following serious road crash (From Southend Standard)
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A129 in Rayleigh closed until 6pm following serious road crash
4:03pm Thursday 14th June 2012 in Echo News
THE A129 is expected to be closed until at least 6pm following a serious crash involving a car and small van.
Firefighters from Rayleigh Weir used specialist cutting equipment to free two casualties who become trapped during the incident on London Road, Rayleigh, at 1.45pm.
The first casualty was released by 2.40pm and the second just after 3pm.
They have both been left in the care of the paramedics.
An air ambulance also attended the scene.
Comments(43)
Rayleigh Girl
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4:37pm Thu 14 Jun 12
It's a horrible stretch of road.
However, my thoughts are with all those involved.
Nurse2110
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4:55pm Thu 14 Jun 12
Nurse2110
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4:56pm Thu 14 Jun 12
clearwater1
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5:18pm Thu 14 Jun 12
TherealIndiana
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5:19pm Thu 14 Jun 12
Rayleigh Girl wrote:Problem is they check the speeds going into Rayleigh not out, which where the boy racers love the scalextric bit of road under the railway bridge hard left past GB's hard right, the past the Travs hard acceleration curve onto the winning straight, London Road! Watch and hear them every day! Local councillors have petitioned this time and again!
Police were doing speed checks in the lay-by on London Road (outside the BT building) earlier today.
It's a horrible stretch of road.
However, my thoughts are with all those involved.
APR
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5:29pm Thu 14 Jun 12
Nurse2110 wrote:It is strange why some feel the need to do this.
I was shocked at the amount of people filming the fire brigade cutting casualties out of a van!! Have some respect......
Nurse2110
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5:35pm Thu 14 Jun 12
APR wrote:It no doubt will be on Utube later!
Nurse2110 wrote: I was shocked at the amount of people filming the fire brigade cutting casualties out of a van!! Have some respect......It is strange why some feel the need to do this.
Whites80
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7:26pm Thu 14 Jun 12
I hope that their injuries are not life changing and they are well soon x
MitchLive
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7:36pm Thu 14 Jun 12
Whites80 wrote:How old would you say the person was driving the car? I walked past the van on my way home from work and it was a mess!
I witness this accident today, and car which caused the accident was travelling so fast 60mph plus!! He also just missed a family with a young child who were on the pavement!!! He then ran over to the van (as he was not injured) and when he saw what he had done to the poor people, he sat on the floor with his head in his hands! Luckily a police car was passing and straight away stopped all the traffic, His driving was completely reckless and I feel so sorry for the poor people involved, as there was nothing that they could have done to save themselves!
I hope that their injuries are not life changing and they are well soon x
Whites80
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7:41pm Thu 14 Jun 12
MitchLive
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7:44pm Thu 14 Jun 12
Whites80
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7:59pm Thu 14 Jun 12
Speedysnail
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8:04pm Thu 14 Jun 12
MitchLive
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8:34pm Thu 14 Jun 12
tina truman
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8:32am Fri 15 Jun 12
APR
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9:34am Fri 15 Jun 12
tina truman wrote:I don't think there's two sides to this story.
I think its very sad that people jump to conclusions things are not always how they appear, there is always 2 sides to every story and lots of people have got it totally wrong, my heart goes out to everyone involved
Are you related to the car driver ?
RayleighLife
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9:42am Fri 15 Jun 12
APR
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9:49am Fri 15 Jun 12
rayboy
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9:52am Fri 15 Jun 12
bazza91075
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10:11am Fri 15 Jun 12
saraxx
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10:17am Fri 15 Jun 12
tina truman
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10:18am Fri 15 Jun 12
APR wrote:no im not related to the driver but my friend told me a different story all together, so all that glitters isnt always gold and im sure the police will work out what really happend after all they are the professionals.
tina truman wrote:I don't think there's two sides to this story.
I think its very sad that people jump to conclusions things are not always how they appear, there is always 2 sides to every story and lots of people have got it totally wrong, my heart goes out to everyone involved
Are you related to the car driver ?
saraxx
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10:54am Fri 15 Jun 12
Whites80 wrote:How can you tell it was 60 MPH plus when you wasnt in the car? I think the speed estimate are very high considering the type of road that it is, and the build up of traffic that you get... think your 60 MPH is a totally over exageration, i wouldnt mind but its not like the car was a rocket!!
I witness this accident today, and car which caused the accident was travelling so fast 60mph plus!! He also just missed a family with a young child who were on the pavement!!! He then ran over to the van (as he was not injured) and when he saw what he had done to the poor people, he sat on the floor with his head in his hands! Luckily a police car was passing and straight away stopped all the traffic, His driving was completely reckless and I feel so sorry for the poor people involved, as there was nothing that they could have done to save themselves! I hope that their injuries are not life changing and they are well soon x
RayleighLife
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11:17am Fri 15 Jun 12
saraxx wrote:I suggest you visit the scene, check the long, thick black, skid marks, then come back and explain how a modern car could possibly create those at 30 (or even 40) mph? ;)
Whites80 wrote: I witness this accident today, and car which caused the accident was travelling so fast 60mph plus!! He also just missed a family with a young child who were on the pavement!!! He then ran over to the van (as he was not injured) and when he saw what he had done to the poor people, he sat on the floor with his head in his hands! Luckily a police car was passing and straight away stopped all the traffic, His driving was completely reckless and I feel so sorry for the poor people involved, as there was nothing that they could have done to save themselves! I hope that their injuries are not life changing and they are well soon xHow can you tell it was 60 MPH plus when you wasnt in the car? I think the speed estimate are very high considering the type of road that it is, and the build up of traffic that you get... think your 60 MPH is a totally over exageration, i wouldnt mind but its not like the car was a rocket!!
The experts will conduct their official investigation, but in my humble opinion this is quite damning evidence!
rayboy
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11:34am Fri 15 Jun 12
KAR28
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12:27pm Fri 15 Jun 12
Nurse2110
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12:40pm Fri 15 Jun 12
rayboy wrote:Totally agree, if it was going that slow the wall outside the telephone exchange would still be upright!
also please can you explain to me how the van had been shunted 50 yards down the road from the point of the collision - more damning evidence
saraxx
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12:47pm Fri 15 Jun 12
APR
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12:58pm Fri 15 Jun 12
I assume they all drivers themselves ?
Shall see what any of the firemen have to say at the open day tomorrow.
Sir Henry Rawlinson
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1:48pm Fri 15 Jun 12
Debs 555
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3:15pm Fri 15 Jun 12
TherealIndiana
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4:41pm Fri 15 Jun 12
saraxx wrote:It was very quiet and always is, on this part of the road at the time nobody using the pedestrian crossing, no traffic. There was a meeting at Glebe school for the first year new intake with lots of Mums, Dads and their very young children walking along London Road including myself. All of the witnesses which I spoke too quoted excessive speed, I missed seeing the accident by seconds.
Whites80 wrote:How can you tell it was 60 MPH plus when you wasnt in the car? I think the speed estimate are very high considering the type of road that it is, and the build up of traffic that you get... think your 60 MPH is a totally over exageration, i wouldnt mind but its not like the car was a rocket!!
I witness this accident today, and car which caused the accident was travelling so fast 60mph plus!! He also just missed a family with a young child who were on the pavement!!! He then ran over to the van (as he was not injured) and when he saw what he had done to the poor people, he sat on the floor with his head in his hands! Luckily a police car was passing and straight away stopped all the traffic, His driving was completely reckless and I feel so sorry for the poor people involved, as there was nothing that they could have done to save themselves! I hope that their injuries are not life changing and they are well soon x
rjsizzler
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5:54pm Fri 15 Jun 12
saraxx wrote:That's completely wrong.
Everyone is so obessed with the speed, the van actually pulled out into the cars side of the road to what ive heard, so putting it down to speed means nothing, no matter how fast that boy was going he still would of had to of swerved!
The point is, if the driver was doing 30mph he would have been able to make an emergency stop without swerving.
Ivanna Goodhump
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7:04pm Fri 15 Jun 12
RayleighLife wrote:Modern vehicles have ABS (anti lock brakes) so don't tend to leave long skid marks and pedestrians are notoriously bad at judging vehicle speeds.
saraxx wrote:I suggest you visit the scene, check the long, thick black, skid marks, then come back and explain how a modern car could possibly create those at 30 (or even 40) mph? ;)
Whites80 wrote: I witness this accident today, and car which caused the accident was travelling so fast 60mph plus!! He also just missed a family with a young child who were on the pavement!!! He then ran over to the van (as he was not injured) and when he saw what he had done to the poor people, he sat on the floor with his head in his hands! Luckily a police car was passing and straight away stopped all the traffic, His driving was completely reckless and I feel so sorry for the poor people involved, as there was nothing that they could have done to save themselves! I hope that their injuries are not life changing and they are well soon xHow can you tell it was 60 MPH plus when you wasnt in the car? I think the speed estimate are very high considering the type of road that it is, and the build up of traffic that you get... think your 60 MPH is a totally over exageration, i wouldnt mind but its not like the car was a rocket!!
The experts will conduct their official investigation, but in my humble opinion this is quite damning evidence!
Let the Police accident investigation team decide the speed and cause of the accident rather than an exciteable keyboard warrior.
RayleighLife
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9:29pm Sun 17 Jun 12
Ivanna Goodhump wrote:Please see attached photo of said skid marks.
RayleighLife wrote:Modern vehicles have ABS (anti lock brakes) so don't tend to leave long skid marks and pedestrians are notoriously bad at judging vehicle speeds.
saraxx wrote:I suggest you visit the scene, check the long, thick black, skid marks, then come back and explain how a modern car could possibly create those at 30 (or even 40) mph? ;)
Whites80 wrote: I witness this accident today, and car which caused the accident was travelling so fast 60mph plus!! He also just missed a family with a young child who were on the pavement!!! He then ran over to the van (as he was not injured) and when he saw what he had done to the poor people, he sat on the floor with his head in his hands! Luckily a police car was passing and straight away stopped all the traffic, His driving was completely reckless and I feel so sorry for the poor people involved, as there was nothing that they could have done to save themselves! I hope that their injuries are not life changing and they are well soon xHow can you tell it was 60 MPH plus when you wasnt in the car? I think the speed estimate are very high considering the type of road that it is, and the build up of traffic that you get... think your 60 MPH is a totally over exageration, i wouldnt mind but its not like the car was a rocket!!
The experts will conduct their official investigation, but in my humble opinion this is quite damning evidence!
Let the Police accident investigation team decide the speed and cause of the accident rather than an exciteable keyboard warrior.
http://imageshack.us
/photo/my-images/41/
e3623e43.jpg/
Many thanks for your useful information on ABS brakes, but having worked in the car industry for the last 20 years I did not benefit from your patronising comment.
Kind regards,
'Excitable Keyboard Warrior. :)
laurasara1
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8:04pm Mon 18 Jun 12
RayleighLife wrote:Dear all
Ivanna Goodhump wrote:Please see attached photo of said skid marks.
RayleighLife wrote:Modern vehicles have ABS (anti lock brakes) so don't tend to leave long skid marks and pedestrians are notoriously bad at judging vehicle speeds.
saraxx wrote:I suggest you visit the scene, check the long, thick black, skid marks, then come back and explain how a modern car could possibly create those at 30 (or even 40) mph? ;)
Whites80 wrote: I witness this accident today, and car which caused the accident was travelling so fast 60mph plus!! He also just missed a family with a young child who were on the pavement!!! He then ran over to the van (as he was not injured) and when he saw what he had done to the poor people, he sat on the floor with his head in his hands! Luckily a police car was passing and straight away stopped all the traffic, His driving was completely reckless and I feel so sorry for the poor people involved, as there was nothing that they could have done to save themselves! I hope that their injuries are not life changing and they are well soon xHow can you tell it was 60 MPH plus when you wasnt in the car? I think the speed estimate are very high considering the type of road that it is, and the build up of traffic that you get... think your 60 MPH is a totally over exageration, i wouldnt mind but its not like the car was a rocket!!
The experts will conduct their official investigation, but in my humble opinion this is quite damning evidence!
Let the Police accident investigation team decide the speed and cause of the accident rather than an exciteable keyboard warrior.
http://imageshack.us
/photo/my-images/41/
e3623e43.jpg/
Many thanks for your useful information on ABS brakes, but having worked in the car industry for the last 20 years I did not benefit from your patronising comment.
Kind regards,
'Excitable Keyboard Warrior. :)
I too have seen the skid marks. But bearing in mind the car hit the passenger side of the van one can only deduce that the van was doing a u turn in the road. Irrespective of any speed the car may have been doing this accident could probably not have been avoided. The professionals generally work on a perception/ response time of 1.4 seconds from realisng there is a hazzard to breaking. At 60mph the car would have continued to travel approx 130 feet, and at 30 mph this would have been approx 60 odd feet. This accident must be devestating to all involved and I hope they all recover quickly but I believe that if the car driver really was at fault he would have been arrested at the scene.
smiffy22
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12:34pm Tue 19 Jun 12
rjsizzler wrote:Or quite simply would not have been in the way of the car had the car been travelling at 30. There is a reason for the 30 limit. A clear road for making a manoeuvre will likely become not so clear very quickly if some clown is speeding.
saraxx wrote:That's completely wrong.
Everyone is so obessed with the speed, the van actually pulled out into the cars side of the road to what ive heard, so putting it down to speed means nothing, no matter how fast that boy was going he still would of had to of swerved!
The point is, if the driver was doing 30mph he would have been able to make an emergency stop without swerving.
Regards,
Smiffy22
smiffy22
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12:40pm Tue 19 Jun 12
And yes, I know not all crashes are due to excessive speed, but I believe most of them are, and in fact the extent of damage is very much more dependent upon speed. You can't ignore physics and human nature. Unless you host a TV program about fast cars...
Regards,
Smiffy22
smiffy22
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2:04pm Tue 19 Jun 12
rjsizzler wrote:Or wouldn't have had to stop at all because the van driver would have seen him coming and would not have pulled out.
saraxx wrote:That's completely wrong.
Everyone is so obessed with the speed, the van actually pulled out into the cars side of the road to what ive heard, so putting it down to speed means nothing, no matter how fast that boy was going he still would of had to of swerved!
The point is, if the driver was doing 30mph he would have been able to make an emergency stop without swerving.
Regards,
Smiffy22
smiffy22
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2:06pm Tue 19 Jun 12
bazza91075 wrote:yes, sadly, many would object to having a speed camera there. And if one were placed there, it would be bright yelly for the idiots to see, so they'd simply pass the camera at 30 and speed everywhere else.
Totally agree rayboy, the fact that there were Police further down the road at Talbot Ave carrying out speedchecks indicates that it is a problem area. Would anyone have any serious objections to a speed camera on that bend?
Regards,
Smiffy22
rjsizzler
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1:13pm Thu 21 Jun 12
laurasara1 wrote:I've no idea how you deduce the van was doing a u-turn.
RayleighLife wrote:Dear all I too have seen the skid marks. But bearing in mind the car hit the passenger side of the van one can only deduce that the van was doing a u turn in the road. Irrespective of any speed the car may have been doing this accident could probably not have been avoided. The professionals generally work on a perception/ response time of 1.4 seconds from realisng there is a hazzard to breaking. At 60mph the car would have continued to travel approx 130 feet, and at 30 mph this would have been approx 60 odd feet. This accident must be devestating to all involved and I hope they all recover quickly but I believe that if the car driver really was at fault he would have been arrested at the scene.Ivanna Goodhump wrote:Please see attached photo of said skid marks. http://imageshack.us /photo/my-images/41/ e3623e43.jpg/ Many thanks for your useful information on ABS brakes, but having worked in the car industry for the last 20 years I did not benefit from your patronising comment. Kind regards, 'Excitable Keyboard Warrior. :)RayleighLife wrote:Modern vehicles have ABS (anti lock brakes) so don't tend to leave long skid marks and pedestrians are notoriously bad at judging vehicle speeds. Let the Police accident investigation team decide the speed and cause of the accident rather than an exciteable keyboard warrior.saraxx wrote:I suggest you visit the scene, check the long, thick black, skid marks, then come back and explain how a modern car could possibly create those at 30 (or even 40) mph? ;) The experts will conduct their official investigation, but in my humble opinion this is quite damning evidence!Whites80 wrote: I witness this accident today, and car which caused the accident was travelling so fast 60mph plus!! He also just missed a family with a young child who were on the pavement!!! He then ran over to the van (as he was not injured) and when he saw what he had done to the poor people, he sat on the floor with his head in his hands! Luckily a police car was passing and straight away stopped all the traffic, His driving was completely reckless and I feel so sorry for the poor people involved, as there was nothing that they could have done to save themselves! I hope that their injuries are not life changing and they are well soon xHow can you tell it was 60 MPH plus when you wasnt in the car? I think the speed estimate are very high considering the type of road that it is, and the build up of traffic that you get... think your 60 MPH is a totally over exageration, i wouldnt mind but its not like the car was a rocket!!
I would expect a more logical assumption was that he was simply pulling out of the BT exchange, car came round corner way too fast meaning he had no chance of knowing the car was coming at such speed, and the speeder couldn't stop. Then they collided.
rjsizzler
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1:18pm Thu 21 Jun 12
TherealIndiana says...
4:16pm Thu 14 Jun 12