Tory Clacton MP Douglas Carswell defects to UKIP - and resigns his seat triggering a by-election

Tory Clacton MP Douglas Carswell defects to UKIP

Tory Clacton MP Douglas Carswell defects to UKIP

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CLACTON'S Conservative MP Douglas Carswell has defected to UKIP – and resigned his seat triggering a by-election.

Eurosceptic Mr Carswell, who has represented the constituency since 2005, has defected to the UK Independence Party.

Speaking at a press conference in London, he said he wants to shake-up the Westminster "clique".

The backbencher, flanked by UKIP leader Nigel Farage, said he will be resigning from Parliament.

It will trigger a by-election in Clacton, at which Mr Carswell will stand for UKIP.

He said principles were more important than his personal political career.

Mr Carswell lambasted the Prime Minister and senior Conservatives was not "serious about real change"

“It's about not changing things - it's about hanging on to office,” he said.

“Once I realised that, my position in the Conservative Party became untenable."

He said the failure to take a stand against the European Union was at the heart of his decision.

“It's above all the failure to deliver on the promise of political reform that has driven me to be here.

"Europe's the one continent on the globe that is not growing, yet who in Westminster, who among our so-called leaders is prepared to envisage real change?

"As someone who's always answered directly to the independent-minded people of Essex, there is only one honourable thing for me to do.

"I must seek permission from my boss, the people of Clacton. I will now resign from Parliament and stand for UKIP in the by-election that now follows."

Mr Carswell said the decision had not been an easy one.

“I have been a member of the Conservative Party for all my adult life,” he said.

“It is full of wonderful people who want the best for Britain.

"The problem is that many of those at the top of the Conservative Party are simply not our side.

"Of course they talk the talk before elections. They say what they feel they must say to get our support when they want our support.

"But on so many issues, on modernising our politics, on recall of MPs, on controlling our borders, on bank reform, on cutting public debt, on an EU referendum, they never actually make it happen."

Mr Carswell added that he could have "muddled along" as a Conservative backbencher until next May, but he wanted to do the "honourable" thing.

Former Labour MP Ivan Henderson, who lost his seat to Mr Carswell in 2005, said: “I don’t think this is as honourable as he says.

“This is Douglas Carswell panicking because for the last few elections he has promised his electorate would be campaigning to get them out of Europe and it has worn thin with those who vote for him.

“I think he is very worried would have lost his seat to UKIP.

“It’s more of a panic move than a strategy.

“People have lost confidence in him under a conservative banner because he hasn’t be able to deliver on his promises.

“He is jumping ship hoping that UKIP can save his seat.”

A Conservative spokesman said: "This is a regrettable and frankly counterproductive decision.

“As Douglas Carswell said, the only way to get a referendum on the EU is to return a majority Conservative government."

UKIP was not immediately available for comment.

What are the odds?

PUNTERS wishing to get in on the action can back defecting Douglas Carswell to regain his Clacton seat for Ukip at a short 2/7.

Bookmaker Paddy Power has already made the by-election a two horse race, offering odds of 9/4 for the prospective Conservative candidate.

Tim Young, who will stand for Labour, is a distant third, at 25/1, while the Irish bookies offers the Liberal Democrats almost no chance, at 100/1.

Odds of 10/1 are also being offered on eccentric London Mayor Boris Johnson to stand for the reeling Tories against Carswell.

It seems unlikely, however, as he has already publicly linked himself to the Uxbridge seat, in west London. 

Who would you vote for in the Clacton by-election?

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12:25pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Shrubendlad says...

Its a disaster for the Labour and Liberal parties.
Not only are they facing the loss of 41 and 11 seats in Scotland in 3 weeks-but they now face a Clacton By Election on EUROPE in 2 months time.
A Courageous move by Douglas Carswell-Tim Young now has to face the electorate 6 months early OR step down and Colchesters Yellow Clown has the whole European issue blow up in his face once again.
Remember Sir Bob Russell is "Passionately in favour of Europe".
Its a disaster for the Labour and Liberal parties. Not only are they facing the loss of 41 and 11 seats in Scotland in 3 weeks-but they now face a Clacton By Election on EUROPE in 2 months time. A Courageous move by Douglas Carswell-Tim Young now has to face the electorate 6 months early OR step down and Colchesters Yellow Clown has the whole European issue blow up in his face once again. Remember Sir Bob Russell is "Passionately in favour of Europe". Shrubendlad
  • Score: 18

12:30pm Thu 28 Aug 14

DelA says...

I have always said that UKIP were another form of Tory, this proves it !!!!!
I have always said that UKIP were another form of Tory, this proves it !!!!! DelA
  • Score: -12

12:30pm Thu 28 Aug 14

scoobie123 says...

If only a few more had the guts to be honest and follow suit!
If only a few more had the guts to be honest and follow suit! scoobie123
  • Score: 79

12:38pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Hawthorne says...

DelA wrote:
I have always said that UKIP were another form of Tory, this proves it !!!!!
Yep...so much for the party that paints itself as a fresh new face of politics. A politician abanding his principles depending on how the wind may be blowing... yeah really gutsy.
[quote][p][bold]DelA[/bold] wrote: I have always said that UKIP were another form of Tory, this proves it !!!!![/p][/quote]Yep...so much for the party that paints itself as a fresh new face of politics. A politician abanding his principles depending on how the wind may be blowing... yeah really gutsy. Hawthorne
  • Score: -30

12:53pm Thu 28 Aug 14

roger bacon says...

Hawthorne wrote:
DelA wrote:
I have always said that UKIP were another form of Tory, this proves it !!!!!
Yep...so much for the party that paints itself as a fresh new face of politics. A politician abanding his principles depending on how the wind may be blowing... yeah really gutsy.
What a load of rubbish. It really does take guts to resign from a 20,000 majority to fight a by election seat as a UKIP member. He certainly will not get a 20,000 majority this time. Depends who the Conservatives put up he might not even win. It would make things quite interesting if Boris Johnson who is looking for a seat, stood as the Conservative candidate.
[quote][p][bold]Hawthorne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DelA[/bold] wrote: I have always said that UKIP were another form of Tory, this proves it !!!!![/p][/quote]Yep...so much for the party that paints itself as a fresh new face of politics. A politician abanding his principles depending on how the wind may be blowing... yeah really gutsy.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. It really does take guts to resign from a 20,000 majority to fight a by election seat as a UKIP member. He certainly will not get a 20,000 majority this time. Depends who the Conservatives put up he might not even win. It would make things quite interesting if Boris Johnson who is looking for a seat, stood as the Conservative candidate. roger bacon
  • Score: 38

12:55pm Thu 28 Aug 14

supermadmax says...

He said principles were more important than his personal political career.

Well clearly loyalty isint ...

Does he really think people are that dumb ? UKIP are a winning ticket, that's the only reason he is defecting, I think its great he is moving (many more will follow before the general) but one of the attractions of UKIP is that we do not yet associate them with weesle politicians like Carswell.
He said principles were more important than his personal political career. Well clearly loyalty isint ... Does he really think people are that dumb ? UKIP are a winning ticket, that's the only reason he is defecting, I think its great he is moving (many more will follow before the general) but one of the attractions of UKIP is that we do not yet associate them with weesle politicians like Carswell. supermadmax
  • Score: -44

12:57pm Thu 28 Aug 14

supermadmax says...

roger bacon wrote:
Hawthorne wrote:
DelA wrote:
I have always said that UKIP were another form of Tory, this proves it !!!!!
Yep...so much for the party that paints itself as a fresh new face of politics. A politician abanding his principles depending on how the wind may be blowing... yeah really gutsy.
What a load of rubbish. It really does take guts to resign from a 20,000 majority to fight a by election seat as a UKIP member. He certainly will not get a 20,000 majority this time. Depends who the Conservatives put up he might not even win. It would make things quite interesting if Boris Johnson who is looking for a seat, stood as the Conservative candidate.
No Roger, its you who is talking 'rubbish' or simply don't understand that a 20,000 majority at the last general is not a 20,000 majority now. UKIP are in the driving seat and Carswell knows it.
[quote][p][bold]roger bacon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hawthorne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DelA[/bold] wrote: I have always said that UKIP were another form of Tory, this proves it !!!!![/p][/quote]Yep...so much for the party that paints itself as a fresh new face of politics. A politician abanding his principles depending on how the wind may be blowing... yeah really gutsy.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. It really does take guts to resign from a 20,000 majority to fight a by election seat as a UKIP member. He certainly will not get a 20,000 majority this time. Depends who the Conservatives put up he might not even win. It would make things quite interesting if Boris Johnson who is looking for a seat, stood as the Conservative candidate.[/p][/quote]No Roger, its you who is talking 'rubbish' or simply don't understand that a 20,000 majority at the last general is not a 20,000 majority now. UKIP are in the driving seat and Carswell knows it. supermadmax
  • Score: 20

1:15pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Montaigne says...

Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.
Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines. Montaigne
  • Score: -49

1:27pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Essexman10 says...

Glad Carswell is resigning and standing again because we can now get rid of him. Saw him the other day on tv COMPLAINING about the train service delays ( now privatelt run) when he SUPPORTED the proivatisation of the rail network, as he has done in supporting privateisation of public services. He even complains about the effects of the ceeeping privatisation of the NHS (something else he supports) This hypocrite cant have it both ways. Either he accepts privatisation and its effects or he opposes it, not both.
Glad Carswell is resigning and standing again because we can now get rid of him. Saw him the other day on tv COMPLAINING about the train service delays ( now privatelt run) when he SUPPORTED the proivatisation of the rail network, as he has done in supporting privateisation of public services. He even complains about the effects of the ceeeping privatisation of the NHS (something else he supports) This hypocrite cant have it both ways. Either he accepts privatisation and its effects or he opposes it, not both. Essexman10
  • Score: -23

2:05pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Alekhine says...

Whatever you think of the individual, if enough of the chinless wonders defect, the Tories might be forced to reconsider their position on Europe. Boris Johnson will certainly be sympathetic to that idea.
Whatever you think of the individual, if enough of the chinless wonders defect, the Tories might be forced to reconsider their position on Europe. Boris Johnson will certainly be sympathetic to that idea. Alekhine
  • Score: 13

2:12pm Thu 28 Aug 14

West Stand United says...

So Sir Bob can change parties - Labour to Liberals and not be classed as a Nut (re his interview on BBC Look East) yet a guy you stands by his principles and moves to a party more in line with his views and current opinion is classed as one.

Wish more Policitians that disagreed with the way this Country is run and the direction it seems to be going would defect to UKIP so the General Election next year would give us all an opportunity to vote for real change.
So Sir Bob can change parties - Labour to Liberals and not be classed as a Nut (re his interview on BBC Look East) yet a guy you stands by his principles and moves to a party more in line with his views and current opinion is classed as one. Wish more Policitians that disagreed with the way this Country is run and the direction it seems to be going would defect to UKIP so the General Election next year would give us all an opportunity to vote for real change. West Stand United
  • Score: 29

2:13pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Shrubendlad says...

roger bacon wrote:
Hawthorne wrote:
DelA wrote:
I have always said that UKIP were another form of Tory, this proves it !!!!!
Yep...so much for the party that paints itself as a fresh new face of politics. A politician abanding his principles depending on how the wind may be blowing... yeah really gutsy.
What a load of rubbish. It really does take guts to resign from a 20,000 majority to fight a by election seat as a UKIP member. He certainly will not get a 20,000 majority this time. Depends who the Conservatives put up he might not even win. It would make things quite interesting if Boris Johnson who is looking for a seat, stood as the Conservative candidate.
Boris has already been "elected" to Uxbridge.
The point about Boris is he has said that Britain(or whats left of it) must not be afraid of forcing the Germans to give us what we want-they cant do without us . Even if it means leaving the EU. We underestimate ourselves-We must restore our pride and find a new place in the world with US, China and EU.
UKIP and the Lib Dems are just protest groups-they couldn't run an Ice Cream van let alone a county. Douglas Carswell is forcing the debate-good for him!
[quote][p][bold]roger bacon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hawthorne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DelA[/bold] wrote: I have always said that UKIP were another form of Tory, this proves it !!!!![/p][/quote]Yep...so much for the party that paints itself as a fresh new face of politics. A politician abanding his principles depending on how the wind may be blowing... yeah really gutsy.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. It really does take guts to resign from a 20,000 majority to fight a by election seat as a UKIP member. He certainly will not get a 20,000 majority this time. Depends who the Conservatives put up he might not even win. It would make things quite interesting if Boris Johnson who is looking for a seat, stood as the Conservative candidate.[/p][/quote]Boris has already been "elected" to Uxbridge. The point about Boris is he has said that Britain(or whats left of it) must not be afraid of forcing the Germans to give us what we want-they cant do without us . Even if it means leaving the EU. We underestimate ourselves-We must restore our pride and find a new place in the world with US, China and EU. UKIP and the Lib Dems are just protest groups-they couldn't run an Ice Cream van let alone a county. Douglas Carswell is forcing the debate-good for him! Shrubendlad
  • Score: -2

2:25pm Thu 28 Aug 14

DAGASMAN says...

Montaigne wrote:
Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.
How anybody can say that about a party that has done so well in local & euro elections is beyond me, your denial renders your comment not even worth the keystrokes. It made the headlines because a large percentage of people vote or are planning to vote UKIP however much that might anger you as a clear leftie
[quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.[/p][/quote]How anybody can say that about a party that has done so well in local & euro elections is beyond me, your denial renders your comment not even worth the keystrokes. It made the headlines because a large percentage of people vote or are planning to vote UKIP however much that might anger you as a clear leftie DAGASMAN
  • Score: 15

2:28pm Thu 28 Aug 14

AngryManNewTown says...

Nice to see the Lib Dems have got all their cronies to get on here to vote!! There is no way they would win an election in Clacton!!
Nice to see the Lib Dems have got all their cronies to get on here to vote!! There is no way they would win an election in Clacton!! AngryManNewTown
  • Score: 28

2:55pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Essexman10 says...

UKIP should worry fair-minded people. Bit of history. Hitler never called himself 'fascist'; he was 'National Socialist' because he knew 'socialism was popular in Germany in the early 1930's and he conned a portion of the electorate into believing he was 'socialist' but in a 'national' sense that he was for the 'ordinary' German who should 'blame the Jews' for their problems. Once elected (on a minority vote) his real aims come to pass, having 'eliminated' the opposition (socialist leaders, trade unionists, democrats etc.) first. And we all know what he did to the people he 'blamed'. Strange how UKIP 'expel' any member who blurts out racist and reactionary views that, no doubt' the vast majority of UKIP activists have. Their 'scapegoats' for ordinary peoples problems are immigrants. They want to appear 'reasonable' people and have, unfortunately' conned many people to vote for them. Their manifesto a few years ago was 'bonkers' and even Nigel Farage admitted that. He actually had the cheek to say (as leader of the party) that he had not read it. He may be jovial and appear an 'ok' man, but that is the danger of the man. Beware the 'Greeks'/'Romans'/'U
KIPers' bearing gifts. Given the type of activist UKIP attracts (and I do not count Careswell in this because I suspect that once he realises who he is associating with, his career MIGHT come second for once and he resigns), if ever they come into power, then beware the rest of us.
UKIP should worry fair-minded people. Bit of history. Hitler never called himself 'fascist'; he was 'National Socialist' because he knew 'socialism was popular in Germany in the early 1930's and he conned a portion of the electorate into believing he was 'socialist' but in a 'national' sense that he was for the 'ordinary' German who should 'blame the Jews' for their problems. Once elected (on a minority vote) his real aims come to pass, having 'eliminated' the opposition (socialist leaders, trade unionists, democrats etc.) first. And we all know what he did to the people he 'blamed'. Strange how UKIP 'expel' any member who blurts out racist and reactionary views that, no doubt' the vast majority of UKIP activists have. Their 'scapegoats' for ordinary peoples problems are immigrants. They want to appear 'reasonable' people and have, unfortunately' conned many people to vote for them. Their manifesto a few years ago was 'bonkers' and even Nigel Farage admitted that. He actually had the cheek to say (as leader of the party) that he had not read it. He may be jovial and appear an 'ok' man, but that is the danger of the man. Beware the 'Greeks'/'Romans'/'U KIPers' bearing gifts. Given the type of activist UKIP attracts (and I do not count Careswell in this because I suspect that once he realises who he is associating with, his career MIGHT come second for once and he resigns), if ever they come into power, then beware the rest of us. Essexman10
  • Score: -24

3:01pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Shrubendlad says...

AngryManNewTown wrote:
Nice to see the Lib Dems have got all their cronies to get on here to vote!! There is no way they would win an election in Clacton!!
Russell thought that with Colchesters Labour Leader safely tucked away in Clacton for the General Election-he could con the 4000 labour voters he used in 2010 to squeeze him back into Colchester-on the basis that once upon a time he was in the labour party. Game On.
[quote][p][bold]AngryManNewTown[/bold] wrote: Nice to see the Lib Dems have got all their cronies to get on here to vote!! There is no way they would win an election in Clacton!![/p][/quote]Russell thought that with Colchesters Labour Leader safely tucked away in Clacton for the General Election-he could con the 4000 labour voters he used in 2010 to squeeze him back into Colchester-on the basis that once upon a time he was in the labour party. Game On. Shrubendlad
  • Score: 1

3:02pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Sensible Man says...

Clearly the main thing here is that all the UK-hating lefties must be totally rejected in this election. One would assume - surely - that absolutely no-one would be daft enough to vote Lib Dem anymore. (I think we can totally disregard the silly vote on this article!!!!).Labour - it must be agreed - are totally useless - so we are left with the Conservatives and UKIP. Well -the Conservatives have been totally useless useless useless hopeless hypocrites in controlling immigration (speak tough but do NOTHING) so clearly all correctly-thinking people MUST vote UKIP. No argument really - eh? By the way - what did all those disgusting Labour people do during those horrendous events in Rotheram?? NOTHING!!!! Remember that on election day.
Clearly the main thing here is that all the UK-hating lefties must be totally rejected in this election. One would assume - surely - that absolutely no-one would be daft enough to vote Lib Dem anymore. (I think we can totally disregard the silly vote on this article!!!!).Labour - it must be agreed - are totally useless - so we are left with the Conservatives and UKIP. Well -the Conservatives have been totally useless useless useless hopeless hypocrites in controlling immigration (speak tough but do NOTHING) so clearly all correctly-thinking people MUST vote UKIP. No argument really - eh? By the way - what did all those disgusting Labour people do during those horrendous events in Rotheram?? NOTHING!!!! Remember that on election day. Sensible Man
  • Score: 13

3:03pm Thu 28 Aug 14

DAGASMAN says...

Essexman10 wrote:
UKIP should worry fair-minded people. Bit of history. Hitler never called himself 'fascist'; he was 'National Socialist' because he knew 'socialism was popular in Germany in the early 1930's and he conned a portion of the electorate into believing he was 'socialist' but in a 'national' sense that he was for the 'ordinary' German who should 'blame the Jews' for their problems. Once elected (on a minority vote) his real aims come to pass, having 'eliminated' the opposition (socialist leaders, trade unionists, democrats etc.) first. And we all know what he did to the people he 'blamed'. Strange how UKIP 'expel' any member who blurts out racist and reactionary views that, no doubt' the vast majority of UKIP activists have. Their 'scapegoats' for ordinary peoples problems are immigrants. They want to appear 'reasonable' people and have, unfortunately' conned many people to vote for them. Their manifesto a few years ago was 'bonkers' and even Nigel Farage admitted that. He actually had the cheek to say (as leader of the party) that he had not read it. He may be jovial and appear an 'ok' man, but that is the danger of the man. Beware the 'Greeks'/'Romans'/'U
KIPers' bearing gifts. Given the type of activist UKIP attracts (and I do not count Careswell in this because I suspect that once he realises who he is associating with, his career MIGHT come second for once and he resigns), if ever they come into power, then beware the rest of us.
UKIP - points-based immigration system. NAZIS - gassed millions of jews. Youre an idiot.
[quote][p][bold]Essexman10[/bold] wrote: UKIP should worry fair-minded people. Bit of history. Hitler never called himself 'fascist'; he was 'National Socialist' because he knew 'socialism was popular in Germany in the early 1930's and he conned a portion of the electorate into believing he was 'socialist' but in a 'national' sense that he was for the 'ordinary' German who should 'blame the Jews' for their problems. Once elected (on a minority vote) his real aims come to pass, having 'eliminated' the opposition (socialist leaders, trade unionists, democrats etc.) first. And we all know what he did to the people he 'blamed'. Strange how UKIP 'expel' any member who blurts out racist and reactionary views that, no doubt' the vast majority of UKIP activists have. Their 'scapegoats' for ordinary peoples problems are immigrants. They want to appear 'reasonable' people and have, unfortunately' conned many people to vote for them. Their manifesto a few years ago was 'bonkers' and even Nigel Farage admitted that. He actually had the cheek to say (as leader of the party) that he had not read it. He may be jovial and appear an 'ok' man, but that is the danger of the man. Beware the 'Greeks'/'Romans'/'U KIPers' bearing gifts. Given the type of activist UKIP attracts (and I do not count Careswell in this because I suspect that once he realises who he is associating with, his career MIGHT come second for once and he resigns), if ever they come into power, then beware the rest of us.[/p][/quote]UKIP - points-based immigration system. NAZIS - gassed millions of jews. Youre an idiot. DAGASMAN
  • Score: 20

3:12pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Sensible Man says...

Essexman10 wrote:
UKIP should worry fair-minded people. Bit of history. Hitler never called himself 'fascist'; he was 'National Socialist' because he knew 'socialism was popular in Germany in the early 1930's and he conned a portion of the electorate into believing he was 'socialist' but in a 'national' sense that he was for the 'ordinary' German who should 'blame the Jews' for their problems. Once elected (on a minority vote) his real aims come to pass, having 'eliminated' the opposition (socialist leaders, trade unionists, democrats etc.) first. And we all know what he did to the people he 'blamed'. Strange how UKIP 'expel' any member who blurts out racist and reactionary views that, no doubt' the vast majority of UKIP activists have. Their 'scapegoats' for ordinary peoples problems are immigrants. They want to appear 'reasonable' people and have, unfortunately' conned many people to vote for them. Their manifesto a few years ago was 'bonkers' and even Nigel Farage admitted that. He actually had the cheek to say (as leader of the party) that he had not read it. He may be jovial and appear an 'ok' man, but that is the danger of the man. Beware the 'Greeks'/'Romans'/'U

KIPers' bearing gifts. Given the type of activist UKIP attracts (and I do not count Careswell in this because I suspect that once he realises who he is associating with, his career MIGHT come second for once and he resigns), if ever they come into power, then beware the rest of us.
What a TRULY stupid, stupid, post!!! Words fail me as to its stupidity!!!!

Whoop whoop whoop - left-wing garbage anyone????
[quote][p][bold]Essexman10[/bold] wrote: UKIP should worry fair-minded people. Bit of history. Hitler never called himself 'fascist'; he was 'National Socialist' because he knew 'socialism was popular in Germany in the early 1930's and he conned a portion of the electorate into believing he was 'socialist' but in a 'national' sense that he was for the 'ordinary' German who should 'blame the Jews' for their problems. Once elected (on a minority vote) his real aims come to pass, having 'eliminated' the opposition (socialist leaders, trade unionists, democrats etc.) first. And we all know what he did to the people he 'blamed'. Strange how UKIP 'expel' any member who blurts out racist and reactionary views that, no doubt' the vast majority of UKIP activists have. Their 'scapegoats' for ordinary peoples problems are immigrants. They want to appear 'reasonable' people and have, unfortunately' conned many people to vote for them. Their manifesto a few years ago was 'bonkers' and even Nigel Farage admitted that. He actually had the cheek to say (as leader of the party) that he had not read it. He may be jovial and appear an 'ok' man, but that is the danger of the man. Beware the 'Greeks'/'Romans'/'U KIPers' bearing gifts. Given the type of activist UKIP attracts (and I do not count Careswell in this because I suspect that once he realises who he is associating with, his career MIGHT come second for once and he resigns), if ever they come into power, then beware the rest of us.[/p][/quote]What a TRULY stupid, stupid, post!!! Words fail me as to its stupidity!!!! Whoop whoop whoop - left-wing garbage anyone???? Sensible Man
  • Score: 20

3:12pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Essexman10 says...

DAGASMAN wrote:
Essexman10 wrote:
UKIP should worry fair-minded people. Bit of history. Hitler never called himself 'fascist'; he was 'National Socialist' because he knew 'socialism was popular in Germany in the early 1930's and he conned a portion of the electorate into believing he was 'socialist' but in a 'national' sense that he was for the 'ordinary' German who should 'blame the Jews' for their problems. Once elected (on a minority vote) his real aims come to pass, having 'eliminated' the opposition (socialist leaders, trade unionists, democrats etc.) first. And we all know what he did to the people he 'blamed'. Strange how UKIP 'expel' any member who blurts out racist and reactionary views that, no doubt' the vast majority of UKIP activists have. Their 'scapegoats' for ordinary peoples problems are immigrants. They want to appear 'reasonable' people and have, unfortunately' conned many people to vote for them. Their manifesto a few years ago was 'bonkers' and even Nigel Farage admitted that. He actually had the cheek to say (as leader of the party) that he had not read it. He may be jovial and appear an 'ok' man, but that is the danger of the man. Beware the 'Greeks'/'Romans'/'U

KIPers' bearing gifts. Given the type of activist UKIP attracts (and I do not count Careswell in this because I suspect that once he realises who he is associating with, his career MIGHT come second for once and he resigns), if ever they come into power, then beware the rest of us.
UKIP - points-based immigration system. NAZIS - gassed millions of jews. Youre an idiot.
He gassed them AFTER he was 'elected'. Had the minority of Germans thought he would do that, they would NEVER have voted for him in the first place. 'Idiots' who have been warned beforehand are always 'wise' after the event. So who is the idiot?
[quote][p][bold]DAGASMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Essexman10[/bold] wrote: UKIP should worry fair-minded people. Bit of history. Hitler never called himself 'fascist'; he was 'National Socialist' because he knew 'socialism was popular in Germany in the early 1930's and he conned a portion of the electorate into believing he was 'socialist' but in a 'national' sense that he was for the 'ordinary' German who should 'blame the Jews' for their problems. Once elected (on a minority vote) his real aims come to pass, having 'eliminated' the opposition (socialist leaders, trade unionists, democrats etc.) first. And we all know what he did to the people he 'blamed'. Strange how UKIP 'expel' any member who blurts out racist and reactionary views that, no doubt' the vast majority of UKIP activists have. Their 'scapegoats' for ordinary peoples problems are immigrants. They want to appear 'reasonable' people and have, unfortunately' conned many people to vote for them. Their manifesto a few years ago was 'bonkers' and even Nigel Farage admitted that. He actually had the cheek to say (as leader of the party) that he had not read it. He may be jovial and appear an 'ok' man, but that is the danger of the man. Beware the 'Greeks'/'Romans'/'U KIPers' bearing gifts. Given the type of activist UKIP attracts (and I do not count Careswell in this because I suspect that once he realises who he is associating with, his career MIGHT come second for once and he resigns), if ever they come into power, then beware the rest of us.[/p][/quote]UKIP - points-based immigration system. NAZIS - gassed millions of jews. Youre an idiot.[/p][/quote]He gassed them AFTER he was 'elected'. Had the minority of Germans thought he would do that, they would NEVER have voted for him in the first place. 'Idiots' who have been warned beforehand are always 'wise' after the event. So who is the idiot? Essexman10
  • Score: -10

3:18pm Thu 28 Aug 14

DAGASMAN says...

Essexman10 wrote:
DAGASMAN wrote:
Essexman10 wrote:
UKIP should worry fair-minded people. Bit of history. Hitler never called himself 'fascist'; he was 'National Socialist' because he knew 'socialism was popular in Germany in the early 1930's and he conned a portion of the electorate into believing he was 'socialist' but in a 'national' sense that he was for the 'ordinary' German who should 'blame the Jews' for their problems. Once elected (on a minority vote) his real aims come to pass, having 'eliminated' the opposition (socialist leaders, trade unionists, democrats etc.) first. And we all know what he did to the people he 'blamed'. Strange how UKIP 'expel' any member who blurts out racist and reactionary views that, no doubt' the vast majority of UKIP activists have. Their 'scapegoats' for ordinary peoples problems are immigrants. They want to appear 'reasonable' people and have, unfortunately' conned many people to vote for them. Their manifesto a few years ago was 'bonkers' and even Nigel Farage admitted that. He actually had the cheek to say (as leader of the party) that he had not read it. He may be jovial and appear an 'ok' man, but that is the danger of the man. Beware the 'Greeks'/'Romans'/'U

KIPers' bearing gifts. Given the type of activist UKIP attracts (and I do not count Careswell in this because I suspect that once he realises who he is associating with, his career MIGHT come second for once and he resigns), if ever they come into power, then beware the rest of us.
UKIP - points-based immigration system. NAZIS - gassed millions of jews. Youre an idiot.
He gassed them AFTER he was 'elected'. Had the minority of Germans thought he would do that, they would NEVER have voted for him in the first place. 'Idiots' who have been warned beforehand are always 'wise' after the event. So who is the idiot?
You're comparing nigel farage with adolph hitler because he wants to act on an issue at least 70% of the british public name as their no.1 concern in a totally fair way that puts all migrants on a level playing field after 15 years of utterly shambolic migration controls. You sir, you're the idiot.
[quote][p][bold]Essexman10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DAGASMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Essexman10[/bold] wrote: UKIP should worry fair-minded people. Bit of history. Hitler never called himself 'fascist'; he was 'National Socialist' because he knew 'socialism was popular in Germany in the early 1930's and he conned a portion of the electorate into believing he was 'socialist' but in a 'national' sense that he was for the 'ordinary' German who should 'blame the Jews' for their problems. Once elected (on a minority vote) his real aims come to pass, having 'eliminated' the opposition (socialist leaders, trade unionists, democrats etc.) first. And we all know what he did to the people he 'blamed'. Strange how UKIP 'expel' any member who blurts out racist and reactionary views that, no doubt' the vast majority of UKIP activists have. Their 'scapegoats' for ordinary peoples problems are immigrants. They want to appear 'reasonable' people and have, unfortunately' conned many people to vote for them. Their manifesto a few years ago was 'bonkers' and even Nigel Farage admitted that. He actually had the cheek to say (as leader of the party) that he had not read it. He may be jovial and appear an 'ok' man, but that is the danger of the man. Beware the 'Greeks'/'Romans'/'U KIPers' bearing gifts. Given the type of activist UKIP attracts (and I do not count Careswell in this because I suspect that once he realises who he is associating with, his career MIGHT come second for once and he resigns), if ever they come into power, then beware the rest of us.[/p][/quote]UKIP - points-based immigration system. NAZIS - gassed millions of jews. Youre an idiot.[/p][/quote]He gassed them AFTER he was 'elected'. Had the minority of Germans thought he would do that, they would NEVER have voted for him in the first place. 'Idiots' who have been warned beforehand are always 'wise' after the event. So who is the idiot?[/p][/quote]You're comparing nigel farage with adolph hitler because he wants to act on an issue at least 70% of the british public name as their no.1 concern in a totally fair way that puts all migrants on a level playing field after 15 years of utterly shambolic migration controls. You sir, you're the idiot. DAGASMAN
  • Score: 14

3:27pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Alekhine says...

Essexman10 wrote:
UKIP should worry fair-minded people. Bit of history. Hitler never called himself 'fascist'; he was 'National Socialist' because he knew 'socialism was popular in Germany in the early 1930's and he conned a portion of the electorate into believing he was 'socialist' but in a 'national' sense that he was for the 'ordinary' German who should 'blame the Jews' for their problems. Once elected (on a minority vote) his real aims come to pass, having 'eliminated' the opposition (socialist leaders, trade unionists, democrats etc.) first. And we all know what he did to the people he 'blamed'. Strange how UKIP 'expel' any member who blurts out racist and reactionary views that, no doubt' the vast majority of UKIP activists have. Their 'scapegoats' for ordinary peoples problems are immigrants. They want to appear 'reasonable' people and have, unfortunately' conned many people to vote for them. Their manifesto a few years ago was 'bonkers' and even Nigel Farage admitted that. He actually had the cheek to say (as leader of the party) that he had not read it. He may be jovial and appear an 'ok' man, but that is the danger of the man. Beware the 'Greeks'/'Romans'/'U

KIPers' bearing gifts. Given the type of activist UKIP attracts (and I do not count Careswell in this because I suspect that once he realises who he is associating with, his career MIGHT come second for once and he resigns), if ever they come into power, then beware the rest of us.
Bit of history. Hitler was trying to get into Europe not out of it.
[quote][p][bold]Essexman10[/bold] wrote: UKIP should worry fair-minded people. Bit of history. Hitler never called himself 'fascist'; he was 'National Socialist' because he knew 'socialism was popular in Germany in the early 1930's and he conned a portion of the electorate into believing he was 'socialist' but in a 'national' sense that he was for the 'ordinary' German who should 'blame the Jews' for their problems. Once elected (on a minority vote) his real aims come to pass, having 'eliminated' the opposition (socialist leaders, trade unionists, democrats etc.) first. And we all know what he did to the people he 'blamed'. Strange how UKIP 'expel' any member who blurts out racist and reactionary views that, no doubt' the vast majority of UKIP activists have. Their 'scapegoats' for ordinary peoples problems are immigrants. They want to appear 'reasonable' people and have, unfortunately' conned many people to vote for them. Their manifesto a few years ago was 'bonkers' and even Nigel Farage admitted that. He actually had the cheek to say (as leader of the party) that he had not read it. He may be jovial and appear an 'ok' man, but that is the danger of the man. Beware the 'Greeks'/'Romans'/'U KIPers' bearing gifts. Given the type of activist UKIP attracts (and I do not count Careswell in this because I suspect that once he realises who he is associating with, his career MIGHT come second for once and he resigns), if ever they come into power, then beware the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Bit of history. Hitler was trying to get into Europe not out of it. Alekhine
  • Score: 9

3:30pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Montaigne says...

DAGASMAN wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.
How anybody can say that about a party that has done so well in local & euro elections is beyond me, your denial renders your comment not even worth the keystrokes. It made the headlines because a large percentage of people vote or are planning to vote UKIP however much that might anger you as a clear leftie
Sorry Dagasman but it just shows that a large proportion of the British electorate are morons and Little Englanders. How any one can consider themselves fit to vote and then waste it by voting for a load of Morons in UKIP beggars belief. Just as Marcus Brigstock said two weeks ago "UKIP need to keep quiet whilst the adults are speaking"

Finally whilst I would consider myself with pride to be a socialist at least we reason and think things through before opening our mouths unlike many UKIP morons.
[quote][p][bold]DAGASMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.[/p][/quote]How anybody can say that about a party that has done so well in local & euro elections is beyond me, your denial renders your comment not even worth the keystrokes. It made the headlines because a large percentage of people vote or are planning to vote UKIP however much that might anger you as a clear leftie[/p][/quote]Sorry Dagasman but it just shows that a large proportion of the British electorate are morons and Little Englanders. How any one can consider themselves fit to vote and then waste it by voting for a load of Morons in UKIP beggars belief. Just as Marcus Brigstock said two weeks ago "UKIP need to keep quiet whilst the adults are speaking" Finally whilst I would consider myself with pride to be a socialist at least we reason and think things through before opening our mouths unlike many UKIP morons. Montaigne
  • Score: -14

3:32pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Montaigne says...

DAGASMAN wrote:
Essexman10 wrote:
UKIP should worry fair-minded people. Bit of history. Hitler never called himself 'fascist'; he was 'National Socialist' because he knew 'socialism was popular in Germany in the early 1930's and he conned a portion of the electorate into believing he was 'socialist' but in a 'national' sense that he was for the 'ordinary' German who should 'blame the Jews' for their problems. Once elected (on a minority vote) his real aims come to pass, having 'eliminated' the opposition (socialist leaders, trade unionists, democrats etc.) first. And we all know what he did to the people he 'blamed'. Strange how UKIP 'expel' any member who blurts out racist and reactionary views that, no doubt' the vast majority of UKIP activists have. Their 'scapegoats' for ordinary peoples problems are immigrants. They want to appear 'reasonable' people and have, unfortunately' conned many people to vote for them. Their manifesto a few years ago was 'bonkers' and even Nigel Farage admitted that. He actually had the cheek to say (as leader of the party) that he had not read it. He may be jovial and appear an 'ok' man, but that is the danger of the man. Beware the 'Greeks'/'Romans'/'U

KIPers' bearing gifts. Given the type of activist UKIP attracts (and I do not count Careswell in this because I suspect that once he realises who he is associating with, his career MIGHT come second for once and he resigns), if ever they come into power, then beware the rest of us.
UKIP - points-based immigration system. NAZIS - gassed millions of jews. Youre an idiot.
But the Nazi's only started gassing after they came to power. Prior to that they tried like the UKIP morons to appear reasonable.
[quote][p][bold]DAGASMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Essexman10[/bold] wrote: UKIP should worry fair-minded people. Bit of history. Hitler never called himself 'fascist'; he was 'National Socialist' because he knew 'socialism was popular in Germany in the early 1930's and he conned a portion of the electorate into believing he was 'socialist' but in a 'national' sense that he was for the 'ordinary' German who should 'blame the Jews' for their problems. Once elected (on a minority vote) his real aims come to pass, having 'eliminated' the opposition (socialist leaders, trade unionists, democrats etc.) first. And we all know what he did to the people he 'blamed'. Strange how UKIP 'expel' any member who blurts out racist and reactionary views that, no doubt' the vast majority of UKIP activists have. Their 'scapegoats' for ordinary peoples problems are immigrants. They want to appear 'reasonable' people and have, unfortunately' conned many people to vote for them. Their manifesto a few years ago was 'bonkers' and even Nigel Farage admitted that. He actually had the cheek to say (as leader of the party) that he had not read it. He may be jovial and appear an 'ok' man, but that is the danger of the man. Beware the 'Greeks'/'Romans'/'U KIPers' bearing gifts. Given the type of activist UKIP attracts (and I do not count Careswell in this because I suspect that once he realises who he is associating with, his career MIGHT come second for once and he resigns), if ever they come into power, then beware the rest of us.[/p][/quote]UKIP - points-based immigration system. NAZIS - gassed millions of jews. Youre an idiot.[/p][/quote]But the Nazi's only started gassing after they came to power. Prior to that they tried like the UKIP morons to appear reasonable. Montaigne
  • Score: -9

3:42pm Thu 28 Aug 14

BarryTanner says...

Principled my fundament! Carswell is just another career politician who brought his own bread rolls to the gravy train that is the British political system. A former goldenballs of the Tory party and architect of what is considered to be “good Coalition orthodoxy” he’s subsequently fallen out of of favour and being the egotist that he is has had to find somebody to fill the position vacated by "Dave" to canoodle with on his £655 love seat that he thought that the British taxpayer should buy for him. Come on down, Nigel Farago.
Principled my fundament! Carswell is just another career politician who brought his own bread rolls to the gravy train that is the British political system. A former goldenballs of the Tory party and architect of what is considered to be “good Coalition orthodoxy” he’s subsequently fallen out of of favour and being the egotist that he is has had to find somebody to fill the position vacated by "Dave" to canoodle with on his £655 love seat that he thought that the British taxpayer should buy for him. Come on down, Nigel Farago. BarryTanner
  • Score: 10

3:57pm Thu 28 Aug 14

DAGASMAN says...

Montaigne wrote:
DAGASMAN wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.
How anybody can say that about a party that has done so well in local & euro elections is beyond me, your denial renders your comment not even worth the keystrokes. It made the headlines because a large percentage of people vote or are planning to vote UKIP however much that might anger you as a clear leftie
Sorry Dagasman but it just shows that a large proportion of the British electorate are morons and Little Englanders. How any one can consider themselves fit to vote and then waste it by voting for a load of Morons in UKIP beggars belief. Just as Marcus Brigstock said two weeks ago "UKIP need to keep quiet whilst the adults are speaking"

Finally whilst I would consider myself with pride to be a socialist at least we reason and think things through before opening our mouths unlike many UKIP morons.
You lost me at marcus brigstock, the most unfunny, leftie excuse for a comedian that ever lived. Next you will be quoting russel howard
[quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DAGASMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.[/p][/quote]How anybody can say that about a party that has done so well in local & euro elections is beyond me, your denial renders your comment not even worth the keystrokes. It made the headlines because a large percentage of people vote or are planning to vote UKIP however much that might anger you as a clear leftie[/p][/quote]Sorry Dagasman but it just shows that a large proportion of the British electorate are morons and Little Englanders. How any one can consider themselves fit to vote and then waste it by voting for a load of Morons in UKIP beggars belief. Just as Marcus Brigstock said two weeks ago "UKIP need to keep quiet whilst the adults are speaking" Finally whilst I would consider myself with pride to be a socialist at least we reason and think things through before opening our mouths unlike many UKIP morons.[/p][/quote]You lost me at marcus brigstock, the most unfunny, leftie excuse for a comedian that ever lived. Next you will be quoting russel howard DAGASMAN
  • Score: -1

4:12pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Dave Bruce says...

In actual fact the German people never voted for Adolf Hitler. The National Socialist Party only obtained just over 37% of the vote in the German Parliament elections (the Reichstag) in 1932, yet that was enough to make it the controlling political party in Germany. In 1933, Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor and he used (or abused) this position to gain total power over the German people, which occurred in August 1934 upon the death of the then German President Paul von Hindenburg. The rest is history.
In actual fact the German people never voted for Adolf Hitler. The National Socialist Party only obtained just over 37% of the vote in the German Parliament elections (the Reichstag) in 1932, yet that was enough to make it the controlling political party in Germany. In 1933, Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor and he used (or abused) this position to gain total power over the German people, which occurred in August 1934 upon the death of the then German President Paul von Hindenburg. The rest is history. Dave Bruce
  • Score: 14

4:12pm Thu 28 Aug 14

drbeat says...

Typical Lefties here quoting the 3rd Reich as usual without actually realising that Nazism was simply another form of Socialism which the German people felt was preferable than Communism. But hey, why let the truth get in the way of the ranting of a lefty?

But let us not forget, like any Socialist outfit, there is always an auxiliary police force. In the UK we have PCSOs, Council Officers, Customs Officers...you name it, just about every public servant is part of an auxiliary police force and all thanks to 13 years of New Labour. Before the Nazis were supposedly voted in (which they were not) they had the SA on the streets beating the hell out of anyone who challenged them.

So how did the Nazis get 'voted in'? As I mentioned previously, they didn't, in fact before Hindenburg appointed Hitler as Chancellor of a COALITION cabinet, the Nazi share of the vote to the Reichstag was in decline. After the Reichstag was burned down by a Communist (according to the Nazis) the ageing Hindenburg was persuaded to approve the Nazi's (and Conservative Vice Chancellor Von Papen's) Enabling Act which banned the Communists and other opposition parties.

After the purge of the SA (Night of the Long Knives), the German Armed Forces then had the great idea to adopt the Nazi Party emblem to their Uniforms AND to swear allegiance to Hitler personally.

Hitler was handed power by the German Conservative Elite who were only interested in preventing the spread of Communism which would have cost the Junker class their land, their money and their military prestige.

As time went on, Hitler bailed out most of the German Elite and secured their loyalty through financial debt. They were literally in debt to him personally due to scandals of adultery, paedophilia and things as simple as divorce.

The gas chambers came much later, and during the war. To quote such things as being related to UKIP is not only stupid but is also ignorant too.

You want to learn the truth about Hitler and Nazism? Read John Toland's "Hitler" and Ian Kershaw's "Hitler: Hubris" and "Hitler: Nemesis".

But please leftys, lib-tards and socialists alike, stop comparing UKIP with the Nazis because you're all are so wrong on so many levels and totally ignorant of the truth.
Typical Lefties here quoting the 3rd Reich as usual without actually realising that Nazism was simply another form of Socialism which the German people felt was preferable than Communism. But hey, why let the truth get in the way of the ranting of a lefty? But let us not forget, like any Socialist outfit, there is always an auxiliary police force. In the UK we have PCSOs, Council Officers, Customs Officers...you name it, just about every public servant is part of an auxiliary police force and all thanks to 13 years of New Labour. Before the Nazis were supposedly voted in (which they were not) they had the SA on the streets beating the hell out of anyone who challenged them. So how did the Nazis get 'voted in'? As I mentioned previously, they didn't, in fact before Hindenburg appointed Hitler as Chancellor of a COALITION cabinet, the Nazi share of the vote to the Reichstag was in decline. After the Reichstag was burned down by a Communist (according to the Nazis) the ageing Hindenburg was persuaded to approve the Nazi's (and Conservative Vice Chancellor Von Papen's) Enabling Act which banned the Communists and other opposition parties. After the purge of the SA (Night of the Long Knives), the German Armed Forces then had the great idea to adopt the Nazi Party emblem to their Uniforms AND to swear allegiance to Hitler personally. Hitler was handed power by the German Conservative Elite who were only interested in preventing the spread of Communism which would have cost the Junker class their land, their money and their military prestige. As time went on, Hitler bailed out most of the German Elite and secured their loyalty through financial debt. They were literally in debt to him personally due to scandals of adultery, paedophilia and things as simple as divorce. The gas chambers came much later, and during the war. To quote such things as being related to UKIP is not only stupid but is also ignorant too. You want to learn the truth about Hitler and Nazism? Read John Toland's "Hitler" and Ian Kershaw's "Hitler: Hubris" and "Hitler: Nemesis". But please leftys, lib-tards and socialists alike, stop comparing UKIP with the Nazis because you're all are so wrong on so many levels and totally ignorant of the truth. drbeat
  • Score: 0

4:30pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Alekhine says...

Labour is the party of top down control and Labour is the party best at telling folks to shut up. Alternatively, just bring up Hitler on any string you don't like.
Labour is the party of top down control and Labour is the party best at telling folks to shut up. Alternatively, just bring up Hitler on any string you don't like. Alekhine
  • Score: 5

4:34pm Thu 28 Aug 14

drbeat says...

Montaigne wrote:
DAGASMAN wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.
How anybody can say that about a party that has done so well in local & euro elections is beyond me, your denial renders your comment not even worth the keystrokes. It made the headlines because a large percentage of people vote or are planning to vote UKIP however much that might anger you as a clear leftie
Sorry Dagasman but it just shows that a large proportion of the British electorate are morons and Little Englanders. How any one can consider themselves fit to vote and then waste it by voting for a load of Morons in UKIP beggars belief. Just as Marcus Brigstock said two weeks ago "UKIP need to keep quiet whilst the adults are speaking"

Finally whilst I would consider myself with pride to be a socialist at least we reason and think things through before opening our mouths unlike many UKIP morons.
Unfortunately, you have destroyed your own pride by getting on the keyboard without thinking before typing. Socialism has killed this country. How is it that we have to go to the China (a Communist country) and beg for investment? The answer is because proud socialists like you have reduced us to a Socialist Utopia where eternal debt is the answer to all our problems.

We have massive youth unemployment, yet socialists like yourself are all in favour of allowing Eastern Europeans to take up jobs here which should be filled by our own unemployed youth? Do our people go to Eastern Europe and take up jobs there? No! Why is this a one way traffic system to the UK? Because socialists like you hate the UK and you want to see it destroyed through the redistribution of debt and the redistribution of the misery. You cannot stomach the fact there are bright people out there who work their bums off to make good money, you socialists have a pathological hatred towards people who do well.

And to placate the unemployed youth, your answer - as a proud socialist - is to just borrow more money to throw benefits at the youth. Or to encourage them so have more kids to get their 'tax credits'.

How you can admit you're a socialist is beyond me. It's like admitting you're a Nazi.
[quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DAGASMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.[/p][/quote]How anybody can say that about a party that has done so well in local & euro elections is beyond me, your denial renders your comment not even worth the keystrokes. It made the headlines because a large percentage of people vote or are planning to vote UKIP however much that might anger you as a clear leftie[/p][/quote]Sorry Dagasman but it just shows that a large proportion of the British electorate are morons and Little Englanders. How any one can consider themselves fit to vote and then waste it by voting for a load of Morons in UKIP beggars belief. Just as Marcus Brigstock said two weeks ago "UKIP need to keep quiet whilst the adults are speaking" Finally whilst I would consider myself with pride to be a socialist at least we reason and think things through before opening our mouths unlike many UKIP morons.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately, you have destroyed your own pride by getting on the keyboard without thinking before typing. Socialism has killed this country. How is it that we have to go to the China (a Communist country) and beg for investment? The answer is because proud socialists like you have reduced us to a Socialist Utopia where eternal debt is the answer to all our problems. We have massive youth unemployment, yet socialists like yourself are all in favour of allowing Eastern Europeans to take up jobs here which should be filled by our own unemployed youth? Do our people go to Eastern Europe and take up jobs there? No! Why is this a one way traffic system to the UK? Because socialists like you hate the UK and you want to see it destroyed through the redistribution of debt and the redistribution of the misery. You cannot stomach the fact there are bright people out there who work their bums off to make good money, you socialists have a pathological hatred towards people who do well. And to placate the unemployed youth, your answer - as a proud socialist - is to just borrow more money to throw benefits at the youth. Or to encourage them so have more kids to get their 'tax credits'. How you can admit you're a socialist is beyond me. It's like admitting you're a Nazi. drbeat
  • Score: 6

4:37pm Thu 28 Aug 14

drbeat says...

Anyone get the feeling there is a heavy Lib-Dem, Tory and Labour presence in the comment voting and the poll above?
Anyone get the feeling there is a heavy Lib-Dem, Tory and Labour presence in the comment voting and the poll above? drbeat
  • Score: 13

4:42pm Thu 28 Aug 14

AVeryPrivateGentleman says...

Go on Young'y Boy it is there for the taking, the lad returns to his own back garden.....Oh I can see it now ?
The Rags To Riches Story Of Timmy ? (God has paid his debt to you in more than money chummy):
Tina Griffiths "Did your change your life" ?
Well done mate your the peoples favourite, even though I hate the hypocrite Labour Party. (Mind you, You are hardly no Angel Gabriel):
I presume once on the road to glory, will we be seeing more of Ms leopard skin pants ?
Who knows I will be watching this space even though I have been following you avidly since 1995. (what a waste of my life): 20 Years its been a long one !
You have my blessings Go For It Now Chummy ?
Go on Young'y Boy it is there for the taking, the lad returns to his own back garden.....Oh I can see it now ? The Rags To Riches Story Of Timmy ? (God has paid his debt to you in more than money chummy): Tina Griffiths "Did your change your life" ? Well done mate your the peoples favourite, even though I hate the hypocrite Labour Party. (Mind you, You are hardly no Angel Gabriel): I presume once on the road to glory, will we be seeing more of Ms leopard skin pants ? Who knows I will be watching this space even though I have been following you avidly since 1995. (what a waste of my life): 20 Years its been a long one ! You have my blessings Go For It Now Chummy ? AVeryPrivateGentleman
  • Score: 4

4:48pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Ronaldo Marteen says...

Alekhine wrote:
Labour is the party of top down control and Labour is the party best at telling folks to shut up. Alternatively, just bring up Hitler on any string you don't like.
Hardly unique to any one party is it? Not sure that Thatcher was that hot on listening to the alternative view.
[quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: Labour is the party of top down control and Labour is the party best at telling folks to shut up. Alternatively, just bring up Hitler on any string you don't like.[/p][/quote]Hardly unique to any one party is it? Not sure that Thatcher was that hot on listening to the alternative view. Ronaldo Marteen
  • Score: 21

4:50pm Thu 28 Aug 14

drbeat says...

Ronaldo Marteen wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
Labour is the party of top down control and Labour is the party best at telling folks to shut up. Alternatively, just bring up Hitler on any string you don't like.
Hardly unique to any one party is it? Not sure that Thatcher was that hot on listening to the alternative view.
Nope, but in the end she lost her job.
[quote][p][bold]Ronaldo Marteen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: Labour is the party of top down control and Labour is the party best at telling folks to shut up. Alternatively, just bring up Hitler on any string you don't like.[/p][/quote]Hardly unique to any one party is it? Not sure that Thatcher was that hot on listening to the alternative view.[/p][/quote]Nope, but in the end she lost her job. drbeat
  • Score: 5

4:54pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Ronaldo Marteen says...

drbeat wrote:
Ronaldo Marteen wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
Labour is the party of top down control and Labour is the party best at telling folks to shut up. Alternatively, just bring up Hitler on any string you don't like.
Hardly unique to any one party is it? Not sure that Thatcher was that hot on listening to the alternative view.
Nope, but in the end she lost her job.
Not before time either.
[quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronaldo Marteen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: Labour is the party of top down control and Labour is the party best at telling folks to shut up. Alternatively, just bring up Hitler on any string you don't like.[/p][/quote]Hardly unique to any one party is it? Not sure that Thatcher was that hot on listening to the alternative view.[/p][/quote]Nope, but in the end she lost her job.[/p][/quote]Not before time either. Ronaldo Marteen
  • Score: 16

4:56pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Bernard Manning says...

Ronaldo Marteen wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
Labour is the party of top down control and Labour is the party best at telling folks to shut up. Alternatively, just bring up Hitler on any string you don't like.
Hardly unique to any one party is it? Not sure that Thatcher was that hot on listening to the alternative view.
Lest we forget a big fan of globalisation, destroying workers' rights and Jimmy Saville.......
[quote][p][bold]Ronaldo Marteen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: Labour is the party of top down control and Labour is the party best at telling folks to shut up. Alternatively, just bring up Hitler on any string you don't like.[/p][/quote]Hardly unique to any one party is it? Not sure that Thatcher was that hot on listening to the alternative view.[/p][/quote]Lest we forget a big fan of globalisation, destroying workers' rights and Jimmy Saville....... Bernard Manning
  • Score: 21

4:56pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Alekhine says...

Ronaldo Marteen wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
Labour is the party of top down control and Labour is the party best at telling folks to shut up. Alternatively, just bring up Hitler on any string you don't like.
Hardly unique to any one party is it? Not sure that Thatcher was that hot on listening to the alternative view.
Yes, that is why I said best and not only. -But I was thinking of the much more recent events in Rotherham where the culture of shut up and fear of losing their jobs kept police and social workers quiet.
[quote][p][bold]Ronaldo Marteen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: Labour is the party of top down control and Labour is the party best at telling folks to shut up. Alternatively, just bring up Hitler on any string you don't like.[/p][/quote]Hardly unique to any one party is it? Not sure that Thatcher was that hot on listening to the alternative view.[/p][/quote]Yes, that is why I said best and not only. -But I was thinking of the much more recent events in Rotherham where the culture of shut up and fear of losing their jobs kept police and social workers quiet. Alekhine
  • Score: -3

4:58pm Thu 28 Aug 14

romantic says...

Dave Bruce wrote:
In actual fact the German people never voted for Adolf Hitler. The National Socialist Party only obtained just over 37% of the vote in the German Parliament elections (the Reichstag) in 1932, yet that was enough to make it the controlling political party in Germany. In 1933, Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor and he used (or abused) this position to gain total power over the German people, which occurred in August 1934 upon the death of the then German President Paul von Hindenburg. The rest is history.
By that logic, it could be argued that no UK government has had a solid mandate since 1931, when the Tories got 55% of the votes and 76% of the seats. Even though there have been "landslides" since then, no party has ever again got more than 50% of the vote.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Bruce[/bold] wrote: In actual fact the German people never voted for Adolf Hitler. The National Socialist Party only obtained just over 37% of the vote in the German Parliament elections (the Reichstag) in 1932, yet that was enough to make it the controlling political party in Germany. In 1933, Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor and he used (or abused) this position to gain total power over the German people, which occurred in August 1934 upon the death of the then German President Paul von Hindenburg. The rest is history.[/p][/quote]By that logic, it could be argued that no UK government has had a solid mandate since 1931, when the Tories got 55% of the votes and 76% of the seats. Even though there have been "landslides" since then, no party has ever again got more than 50% of the vote. romantic
  • Score: 11

5:06pm Thu 28 Aug 14

drbeat says...

romantic wrote:
Dave Bruce wrote:
In actual fact the German people never voted for Adolf Hitler. The National Socialist Party only obtained just over 37% of the vote in the German Parliament elections (the Reichstag) in 1932, yet that was enough to make it the controlling political party in Germany. In 1933, Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor and he used (or abused) this position to gain total power over the German people, which occurred in August 1934 upon the death of the then German President Paul von Hindenburg. The rest is history.
By that logic, it could be argued that no UK government has had a solid mandate since 1931, when the Tories got 55% of the votes and 76% of the seats. Even though there have been "landslides" since then, no party has ever again got more than 50% of the vote.
Err no...the logic of our system is First Past the Post, not share of the vote. The logic of the Weimar Republic when Hitler was appointed was a suspension of the constitution and rule via Presidential Decree.

Just read up on history, it's not that hard.
[quote][p][bold]romantic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Bruce[/bold] wrote: In actual fact the German people never voted for Adolf Hitler. The National Socialist Party only obtained just over 37% of the vote in the German Parliament elections (the Reichstag) in 1932, yet that was enough to make it the controlling political party in Germany. In 1933, Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor and he used (or abused) this position to gain total power over the German people, which occurred in August 1934 upon the death of the then German President Paul von Hindenburg. The rest is history.[/p][/quote]By that logic, it could be argued that no UK government has had a solid mandate since 1931, when the Tories got 55% of the votes and 76% of the seats. Even though there have been "landslides" since then, no party has ever again got more than 50% of the vote.[/p][/quote]Err no...the logic of our system is First Past the Post, not share of the vote. The logic of the Weimar Republic when Hitler was appointed was a suspension of the constitution and rule via Presidential Decree. Just read up on history, it's not that hard. drbeat
  • Score: -2

5:13pm Thu 28 Aug 14

drbeat says...

How is it that every leftist comment is being voted up, yet history aka the truth is voted down? Are leftist folk clearing out their browser cache and then re-voting?

This is bad, it's bad because the truth is being denied.
How is it that every leftist comment is being voted up, yet history aka the truth is voted down? Are leftist folk clearing out their browser cache and then re-voting? This is bad, it's bad because the truth is being denied. drbeat
  • Score: 1

5:31pm Thu 28 Aug 14

romantic says...

drbeat wrote:
romantic wrote:
Dave Bruce wrote:
In actual fact the German people never voted for Adolf Hitler. The National Socialist Party only obtained just over 37% of the vote in the German Parliament elections (the Reichstag) in 1932, yet that was enough to make it the controlling political party in Germany. In 1933, Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor and he used (or abused) this position to gain total power over the German people, which occurred in August 1934 upon the death of the then German President Paul von Hindenburg. The rest is history.
By that logic, it could be argued that no UK government has had a solid mandate since 1931, when the Tories got 55% of the votes and 76% of the seats. Even though there have been "landslides" since then, no party has ever again got more than 50% of the vote.
Err no...the logic of our system is First Past the Post, not share of the vote. The logic of the Weimar Republic when Hitler was appointed was a suspension of the constitution and rule via Presidential Decree.

Just read up on history, it's not that hard.
Yes it is first past the post. I was responding to Dave Bruce's observation that Hitler got in despite the fact that his party polled 37% in July 1932 (and actually less in Nov 1932). His statement was that the German people never voted for Hitler. Whether that is true depends on whether it means an absolute majority or the highest %.

I am not comparing Farage to Hitler, which is absurd, nor UKIP to the Nazis, which is also absurd, but making the point that the democratic system we live in will nevertheless more often than not have a government which is not supported by more than half of the population - and that's only taking into account those who actually vote. Taking turnout into consideration, most govts have had not much more than about 30% of the total possible vote.
[quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]romantic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Bruce[/bold] wrote: In actual fact the German people never voted for Adolf Hitler. The National Socialist Party only obtained just over 37% of the vote in the German Parliament elections (the Reichstag) in 1932, yet that was enough to make it the controlling political party in Germany. In 1933, Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor and he used (or abused) this position to gain total power over the German people, which occurred in August 1934 upon the death of the then German President Paul von Hindenburg. The rest is history.[/p][/quote]By that logic, it could be argued that no UK government has had a solid mandate since 1931, when the Tories got 55% of the votes and 76% of the seats. Even though there have been "landslides" since then, no party has ever again got more than 50% of the vote.[/p][/quote]Err no...the logic of our system is First Past the Post, not share of the vote. The logic of the Weimar Republic when Hitler was appointed was a suspension of the constitution and rule via Presidential Decree. Just read up on history, it's not that hard.[/p][/quote]Yes it is first past the post. I was responding to Dave Bruce's observation that Hitler got in despite the fact that his party polled 37% in July 1932 (and actually less in Nov 1932). His statement was that the German people never voted for Hitler. Whether that is true depends on whether it means an absolute majority or the highest %. I am not comparing Farage to Hitler, which is absurd, nor UKIP to the Nazis, which is also absurd, but making the point that the democratic system we live in will nevertheless more often than not have a government which is not supported by more than half of the population - and that's only taking into account those who actually vote. Taking turnout into consideration, most govts have had not much more than about 30% of the total possible vote. romantic
  • Score: 6

5:32pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Essexman10 says...

drbeat wrote:
How is it that every leftist comment is being voted up, yet history aka the truth is voted down? Are leftist folk clearing out their browser cache and then re-voting?

This is bad, it's bad because the truth is being denied.
Has it occurred to you that there may be more people on here who disagree with you? May I also suggest you take up peoples arguments instead of giving them labels and attacking their labels. And I never thought about clear out my cash and re-voting. Is that something you do?
[quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: How is it that every leftist comment is being voted up, yet history aka the truth is voted down? Are leftist folk clearing out their browser cache and then re-voting? This is bad, it's bad because the truth is being denied.[/p][/quote]Has it occurred to you that there may be more people on here who disagree with you? May I also suggest you take up peoples arguments instead of giving them labels and attacking their labels. And I never thought about clear out my cash and re-voting. Is that something you do? Essexman10
  • Score: 15

5:33pm Thu 28 Aug 14

IanKershaw says...

drbeat wrote:
How is it that every leftist comment is being voted up, yet history aka the truth is voted down? Are leftist folk clearing out their browser cache and then re-voting?

This is bad, it's bad because the truth is being denied.
Your truth.
[quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: How is it that every leftist comment is being voted up, yet history aka the truth is voted down? Are leftist folk clearing out their browser cache and then re-voting? This is bad, it's bad because the truth is being denied.[/p][/quote]Your truth. IanKershaw
  • Score: 12

5:39pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Shrubendlad says...

AVeryPrivateGentlema
n
wrote:
Go on Young'y Boy it is there for the taking, the lad returns to his own back garden.....Oh I can see it now ?
The Rags To Riches Story Of Timmy ? (God has paid his debt to you in more than money chummy):
Tina Griffiths "Did your change your life" ?
Well done mate your the peoples favourite, even though I hate the hypocrite Labour Party. (Mind you, You are hardly no Angel Gabriel):
I presume once on the road to glory, will we be seeing more of Ms leopard skin pants ?
Who knows I will be watching this space even though I have been following you avidly since 1995. (what a waste of my life): 20 Years its been a long one !
You have my blessings Go For It Now Chummy ?
So have Youngy and Julie Youngy had their instructions from "Gromit" yet?
Or is the idiot still trying to find Clacton on the map?
Do forget all those old campaign posters in the garage-you can always get rid of them on EBay.
[quote][p][bold]AVeryPrivateGentlema n[/bold] wrote: Go on Young'y Boy it is there for the taking, the lad returns to his own back garden.....Oh I can see it now ? The Rags To Riches Story Of Timmy ? (God has paid his debt to you in more than money chummy): Tina Griffiths "Did your change your life" ? Well done mate your the peoples favourite, even though I hate the hypocrite Labour Party. (Mind you, You are hardly no Angel Gabriel): I presume once on the road to glory, will we be seeing more of Ms leopard skin pants ? Who knows I will be watching this space even though I have been following you avidly since 1995. (what a waste of my life): 20 Years its been a long one ! You have my blessings Go For It Now Chummy ?[/p][/quote]So have Youngy and Julie Youngy had their instructions from "Gromit" yet? Or is the idiot still trying to find Clacton on the map? Do forget all those old campaign posters in the garage-you can always get rid of them on EBay. Shrubendlad
  • Score: 5

5:42pm Thu 28 Aug 14

drbeat says...

romantic wrote:
drbeat wrote:
romantic wrote:
Dave Bruce wrote:
In actual fact the German people never voted for Adolf Hitler. The National Socialist Party only obtained just over 37% of the vote in the German Parliament elections (the Reichstag) in 1932, yet that was enough to make it the controlling political party in Germany. In 1933, Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor and he used (or abused) this position to gain total power over the German people, which occurred in August 1934 upon the death of the then German President Paul von Hindenburg. The rest is history.
By that logic, it could be argued that no UK government has had a solid mandate since 1931, when the Tories got 55% of the votes and 76% of the seats. Even though there have been "landslides" since then, no party has ever again got more than 50% of the vote.
Err no...the logic of our system is First Past the Post, not share of the vote. The logic of the Weimar Republic when Hitler was appointed was a suspension of the constitution and rule via Presidential Decree.

Just read up on history, it's not that hard.
Yes it is first past the post. I was responding to Dave Bruce's observation that Hitler got in despite the fact that his party polled 37% in July 1932 (and actually less in Nov 1932). His statement was that the German people never voted for Hitler. Whether that is true depends on whether it means an absolute majority or the highest %.

I am not comparing Farage to Hitler, which is absurd, nor UKIP to the Nazis, which is also absurd, but making the point that the democratic system we live in will nevertheless more often than not have a government which is not supported by more than half of the population - and that's only taking into account those who actually vote. Taking turnout into consideration, most govts have had not much more than about 30% of the total possible vote.
But we don't operate via share the vote, so your argument is pointless. Also, votes to the Reichstag in Weimar Republic did not result in voting for a leader, so comparing the UK's voting record to 1930s Germany is also another pointless argument.

Weimar Germany was a presidential system. It didn't matter how many votes the Reichstag parties got, power was in the hands of the President which was a separate election. And Hitler lost big time in the Presidential vote against Hindenburg.

I'm sorry, but if you understood the history, you would have never made your initial comment. The comparison is akin to comparing our system to the US system, it can't be done.
[quote][p][bold]romantic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]romantic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Bruce[/bold] wrote: In actual fact the German people never voted for Adolf Hitler. The National Socialist Party only obtained just over 37% of the vote in the German Parliament elections (the Reichstag) in 1932, yet that was enough to make it the controlling political party in Germany. In 1933, Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor and he used (or abused) this position to gain total power over the German people, which occurred in August 1934 upon the death of the then German President Paul von Hindenburg. The rest is history.[/p][/quote]By that logic, it could be argued that no UK government has had a solid mandate since 1931, when the Tories got 55% of the votes and 76% of the seats. Even though there have been "landslides" since then, no party has ever again got more than 50% of the vote.[/p][/quote]Err no...the logic of our system is First Past the Post, not share of the vote. The logic of the Weimar Republic when Hitler was appointed was a suspension of the constitution and rule via Presidential Decree. Just read up on history, it's not that hard.[/p][/quote]Yes it is first past the post. I was responding to Dave Bruce's observation that Hitler got in despite the fact that his party polled 37% in July 1932 (and actually less in Nov 1932). His statement was that the German people never voted for Hitler. Whether that is true depends on whether it means an absolute majority or the highest %. I am not comparing Farage to Hitler, which is absurd, nor UKIP to the Nazis, which is also absurd, but making the point that the democratic system we live in will nevertheless more often than not have a government which is not supported by more than half of the population - and that's only taking into account those who actually vote. Taking turnout into consideration, most govts have had not much more than about 30% of the total possible vote.[/p][/quote]But we don't operate via share the vote, so your argument is pointless. Also, votes to the Reichstag in Weimar Republic did not result in voting for a leader, so comparing the UK's voting record to 1930s Germany is also another pointless argument. Weimar Germany was a presidential system. It didn't matter how many votes the Reichstag parties got, power was in the hands of the President which was a separate election. And Hitler lost big time in the Presidential vote against Hindenburg. I'm sorry, but if you understood the history, you would have never made your initial comment. The comparison is akin to comparing our system to the US system, it can't be done. drbeat
  • Score: -1

5:43pm Thu 28 Aug 14

drbeat says...

IanKershaw wrote:
drbeat wrote:
How is it that every leftist comment is being voted up, yet history aka the truth is voted down? Are leftist folk clearing out their browser cache and then re-voting?

This is bad, it's bad because the truth is being denied.
Your truth.
Which is the truth, so move on please.
[quote][p][bold]IanKershaw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: How is it that every leftist comment is being voted up, yet history aka the truth is voted down? Are leftist folk clearing out their browser cache and then re-voting? This is bad, it's bad because the truth is being denied.[/p][/quote]Your truth.[/p][/quote]Which is the truth, so move on please. drbeat
  • Score: -12

5:43pm Thu 28 Aug 14

mileend says...

I hope he does well, a decent politician with the guts to stand up for his values. He is a bit like Bob Russell people vote for the man not the party.
I hope he does well, a decent politician with the guts to stand up for his values. He is a bit like Bob Russell people vote for the man not the party. mileend
  • Score: -1

5:45pm Thu 28 Aug 14

drbeat says...

Essexman10 wrote:
drbeat wrote:
How is it that every leftist comment is being voted up, yet history aka the truth is voted down? Are leftist folk clearing out their browser cache and then re-voting?

This is bad, it's bad because the truth is being denied.
Has it occurred to you that there may be more people on here who disagree with you? May I also suggest you take up peoples arguments instead of giving them labels and attacking their labels. And I never thought about clear out my cash and re-voting. Is that something you do?
So leftys labelling UKIP is Nazi or like the Nazis is fair play in your mind? Some of them were even dumb enough to give me their label. So what's your problem?

May I suggest you Google the difference between cash and cache.

Champagne Socialists eh, always cash on the brain.
[quote][p][bold]Essexman10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: How is it that every leftist comment is being voted up, yet history aka the truth is voted down? Are leftist folk clearing out their browser cache and then re-voting? This is bad, it's bad because the truth is being denied.[/p][/quote]Has it occurred to you that there may be more people on here who disagree with you? May I also suggest you take up peoples arguments instead of giving them labels and attacking their labels. And I never thought about clear out my cash and re-voting. Is that something you do?[/p][/quote]So leftys labelling UKIP is Nazi or like the Nazis is fair play in your mind? Some of them were even dumb enough to give me their label. So what's your problem? May I suggest you Google the difference between cash and cache. Champagne Socialists eh, always cash on the brain. drbeat
  • Score: 0

5:46pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Howard Cháse says...

Amess next?
Amess next? Howard Cháse
  • Score: 0

5:48pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Essexman10 says...

drbeat wrote:
IanKershaw wrote:
drbeat wrote:
How is it that every leftist comment is being voted up, yet history aka the truth is voted down? Are leftist folk clearing out their browser cache and then re-voting?

This is bad, it's bad because the truth is being denied.
Your truth.
Which is the truth, so move on please.
May I suggest you never go into court and give evidence.
[quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IanKershaw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: How is it that every leftist comment is being voted up, yet history aka the truth is voted down? Are leftist folk clearing out their browser cache and then re-voting? This is bad, it's bad because the truth is being denied.[/p][/quote]Your truth.[/p][/quote]Which is the truth, so move on please.[/p][/quote]May I suggest you never go into court and give evidence. Essexman10
  • Score: 7

5:52pm Thu 28 Aug 14

drbeat says...

Essexman10 wrote:
drbeat wrote:
IanKershaw wrote:
drbeat wrote:
How is it that every leftist comment is being voted up, yet history aka the truth is voted down? Are leftist folk clearing out their browser cache and then re-voting?

This is bad, it's bad because the truth is being denied.
Your truth.
Which is the truth, so move on please.
May I suggest you never go into court and give evidence.
So please give us all the benefit of your historical knowledge then, and it needs to be deeper than what you learned from the History Channel.
[quote][p][bold]Essexman10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IanKershaw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: How is it that every leftist comment is being voted up, yet history aka the truth is voted down? Are leftist folk clearing out their browser cache and then re-voting? This is bad, it's bad because the truth is being denied.[/p][/quote]Your truth.[/p][/quote]Which is the truth, so move on please.[/p][/quote]May I suggest you never go into court and give evidence.[/p][/quote]So please give us all the benefit of your historical knowledge then, and it needs to be deeper than what you learned from the History Channel. drbeat
  • Score: -4

5:59pm Thu 28 Aug 14

sesibollox says...

And here is an active debate without GANDY.....
And here is an active debate without GANDY..... sesibollox
  • Score: 2

6:07pm Thu 28 Aug 14

drbeat says...

Essexman10 wrote:
drbeat wrote:
How is it that every leftist comment is being voted up, yet history aka the truth is voted down? Are leftist folk clearing out their browser cache and then re-voting?

This is bad, it's bad because the truth is being denied.
Has it occurred to you that there may be more people on here who disagree with you? May I also suggest you take up peoples arguments instead of giving them labels and attacking their labels. And I never thought about clear out my cash and re-voting. Is that something you do?
and just to pick up on:

"Is that something you do?"

With regards to skewing the voting system used by the paper's blog software. Essexman10's comment is like that of a banana republic apparatchik when vote rigging has been discovered. The usual comeback comment from banana republic leftys is "I never thought of that, is that something you do?".

Like with the twisting of history to suit their needs, for example, linking UKIP to the Nazis and Farage to Hitler, leftys have this childish quality to turn things around onto the person who points out their flawed thinking and actions. If you disagree with Climate Change you're a denier, rather like a Holocaust Denier. If you disagree with the Welfare State and Immigration then you're a Fascist and/or a Nazi.

By why let the truth get in the way of a lefty's ranting? Lets forget how many were murdered in the name of Socialism in the Soviet Union, they just attack anyone who is against their sense of universal entitlement. A sense which has led this country to the brink of bankruptcy.

And Essexman10, I thought of 'clearing the browser cache stuff' because I have an education. Something I guess you're against seeing how you seem to be now disagreeing to the events which led to the appointment of Hitler. Very strange.
[quote][p][bold]Essexman10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: How is it that every leftist comment is being voted up, yet history aka the truth is voted down? Are leftist folk clearing out their browser cache and then re-voting? This is bad, it's bad because the truth is being denied.[/p][/quote]Has it occurred to you that there may be more people on here who disagree with you? May I also suggest you take up peoples arguments instead of giving them labels and attacking their labels. And I never thought about clear out my cash and re-voting. Is that something you do?[/p][/quote]and just to pick up on: "Is that something you do?" With regards to skewing the voting system used by the paper's blog software. Essexman10's comment is like that of a banana republic apparatchik when vote rigging has been discovered. The usual comeback comment from banana republic leftys is "I never thought of that, is that something you do?". Like with the twisting of history to suit their needs, for example, linking UKIP to the Nazis and Farage to Hitler, leftys have this childish quality to turn things around onto the person who points out their flawed thinking and actions. If you disagree with Climate Change you're a denier, rather like a Holocaust Denier. If you disagree with the Welfare State and Immigration then you're a Fascist and/or a Nazi. By why let the truth get in the way of a lefty's ranting? Lets forget how many were murdered in the name of Socialism in the Soviet Union, they just attack anyone who is against their sense of universal entitlement. A sense which has led this country to the brink of bankruptcy. And Essexman10, I thought of 'clearing the browser cache stuff' because I have an education. Something I guess you're against seeing how you seem to be now disagreeing to the events which led to the appointment of Hitler. Very strange. drbeat
  • Score: -5

6:23pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Reginald47 says...

drbeat wrote:
Anyone get the feeling there is a heavy Lib-Dem, Tory and Labour presence in the comment voting and the poll above?
That's because there's a heavy Lib-Dem, Tory and Labour presence in Colchester and Tendring and hardly a peep of UKIP especially in Colchester where we are far too intelligent to waste a vote opn a party which would destroy British jobs as major conpanies relocate to Europe.
[quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: Anyone get the feeling there is a heavy Lib-Dem, Tory and Labour presence in the comment voting and the poll above?[/p][/quote]That's because there's a heavy Lib-Dem, Tory and Labour presence in Colchester and Tendring and hardly a peep of UKIP especially in Colchester where we are far too intelligent to waste a vote opn a party which would destroy British jobs as major conpanies relocate to Europe. Reginald47
  • Score: -3

6:26pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Essexman10 says...

drbeat wrote:
Essexman10 wrote:
drbeat wrote:
How is it that every leftist comment is being voted up, yet history aka the truth is voted down? Are leftist folk clearing out their browser cache and then re-voting?

This is bad, it's bad because the truth is being denied.
Has it occurred to you that there may be more people on here who disagree with you? May I also suggest you take up peoples arguments instead of giving them labels and attacking their labels. And I never thought about clear out my cash and re-voting. Is that something you do?
and just to pick up on:

"Is that something you do?"

With regards to skewing the voting system used by the paper's blog software. Essexman10's comment is like that of a banana republic apparatchik when vote rigging has been discovered. The usual comeback comment from banana republic leftys is "I never thought of that, is that something you do?".

Like with the twisting of history to suit their needs, for example, linking UKIP to the Nazis and Farage to Hitler, leftys have this childish quality to turn things around onto the person who points out their flawed thinking and actions. If you disagree with Climate Change you're a denier, rather like a Holocaust Denier. If you disagree with the Welfare State and Immigration then you're a Fascist and/or a Nazi.

By why let the truth get in the way of a lefty's ranting? Lets forget how many were murdered in the name of Socialism in the Soviet Union, they just attack anyone who is against their sense of universal entitlement. A sense which has led this country to the brink of bankruptcy.

And Essexman10, I thought of 'clearing the browser cache stuff' because I have an education. Something I guess you're against seeing how you seem to be now disagreeing to the events which led to the appointment of Hitler. Very strange.
I think you have just made my point for me. You make assumptions about people (wrong in my case incidentally) and attack those assumptions. Trying to shoot the messenger is pointless, but if it makes you feel better.....
[quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Essexman10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: How is it that every leftist comment is being voted up, yet history aka the truth is voted down? Are leftist folk clearing out their browser cache and then re-voting? This is bad, it's bad because the truth is being denied.[/p][/quote]Has it occurred to you that there may be more people on here who disagree with you? May I also suggest you take up peoples arguments instead of giving them labels and attacking their labels. And I never thought about clear out my cash and re-voting. Is that something you do?[/p][/quote]and just to pick up on: "Is that something you do?" With regards to skewing the voting system used by the paper's blog software. Essexman10's comment is like that of a banana republic apparatchik when vote rigging has been discovered. The usual comeback comment from banana republic leftys is "I never thought of that, is that something you do?". Like with the twisting of history to suit their needs, for example, linking UKIP to the Nazis and Farage to Hitler, leftys have this childish quality to turn things around onto the person who points out their flawed thinking and actions. If you disagree with Climate Change you're a denier, rather like a Holocaust Denier. If you disagree with the Welfare State and Immigration then you're a Fascist and/or a Nazi. By why let the truth get in the way of a lefty's ranting? Lets forget how many were murdered in the name of Socialism in the Soviet Union, they just attack anyone who is against their sense of universal entitlement. A sense which has led this country to the brink of bankruptcy. And Essexman10, I thought of 'clearing the browser cache stuff' because I have an education. Something I guess you're against seeing how you seem to be now disagreeing to the events which led to the appointment of Hitler. Very strange.[/p][/quote]I think you have just made my point for me. You make assumptions about people (wrong in my case incidentally) and attack those assumptions. Trying to shoot the messenger is pointless, but if it makes you feel better..... Essexman10
  • Score: 1

6:39pm Thu 28 Aug 14

drbeat says...

Reginald47 wrote:
drbeat wrote:
Anyone get the feeling there is a heavy Lib-Dem, Tory and Labour presence in the comment voting and the poll above?
That's because there's a heavy Lib-Dem, Tory and Labour presence in Colchester and Tendring and hardly a peep of UKIP especially in Colchester where we are far too intelligent to waste a vote opn a party which would destroy British jobs as major conpanies relocate to Europe.
For a moment there I thought you were Nick Clegg? You remember him? The guy who Farage tore apart on the Europe debates? Thanks for spewing out those old chestnuts...can you do one on the 3 million jobs at stake?
[quote][p][bold]Reginald47[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: Anyone get the feeling there is a heavy Lib-Dem, Tory and Labour presence in the comment voting and the poll above?[/p][/quote]That's because there's a heavy Lib-Dem, Tory and Labour presence in Colchester and Tendring and hardly a peep of UKIP especially in Colchester where we are far too intelligent to waste a vote opn a party which would destroy British jobs as major conpanies relocate to Europe.[/p][/quote]For a moment there I thought you were Nick Clegg? You remember him? The guy who Farage tore apart on the Europe debates? Thanks for spewing out those old chestnuts...can you do one on the 3 million jobs at stake? drbeat
  • Score: 8

6:42pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Shrubendlad says...

Reginald47 wrote:
drbeat wrote:
Anyone get the feeling there is a heavy Lib-Dem, Tory and Labour presence in the comment voting and the poll above?
That's because there's a heavy Lib-Dem, Tory and Labour presence in Colchester and Tendring and hardly a peep of UKIP especially in Colchester where we are far too intelligent to waste a vote opn a party which would destroy British jobs as major conpanies relocate to Europe.
The Labour and Liberal parties want Britain to continue with the disasterous relationship we currently have with Europe. "Destroy British Jobs"? The Germans Dutch and French have a huge trade surplus with this country. They treat us with total contempt.
UKIP is a protest party with a few BNP follows.
Douglas Carswell wants to negotiate a new deal with Europe-but has to force Cameron to agree to leave if we cant get our way.
He is RIGHT-Tory voters should abstain in two months-to force the European issue once and for all.
[quote][p][bold]Reginald47[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: Anyone get the feeling there is a heavy Lib-Dem, Tory and Labour presence in the comment voting and the poll above?[/p][/quote]That's because there's a heavy Lib-Dem, Tory and Labour presence in Colchester and Tendring and hardly a peep of UKIP especially in Colchester where we are far too intelligent to waste a vote opn a party which would destroy British jobs as major conpanies relocate to Europe.[/p][/quote]The Labour and Liberal parties want Britain to continue with the disasterous relationship we currently have with Europe. "Destroy British Jobs"? The Germans Dutch and French have a huge trade surplus with this country. They treat us with total contempt. UKIP is a protest party with a few BNP follows. Douglas Carswell wants to negotiate a new deal with Europe-but has to force Cameron to agree to leave if we cant get our way. He is RIGHT-Tory voters should abstain in two months-to force the European issue once and for all. Shrubendlad
  • Score: 8

6:47pm Thu 28 Aug 14

drbeat says...

Essexman10 wrote:
drbeat wrote:
Essexman10 wrote:
drbeat wrote:
How is it that every leftist comment is being voted up, yet history aka the truth is voted down? Are leftist folk clearing out their browser cache and then re-voting?

This is bad, it's bad because the truth is being denied.
Has it occurred to you that there may be more people on here who disagree with you? May I also suggest you take up peoples arguments instead of giving them labels and attacking their labels. And I never thought about clear out my cash and re-voting. Is that something you do?
and just to pick up on:

"Is that something you do?"

With regards to skewing the voting system used by the paper's blog software. Essexman10's comment is like that of a banana republic apparatchik when vote rigging has been discovered. The usual comeback comment from banana republic leftys is "I never thought of that, is that something you do?".

Like with the twisting of history to suit their needs, for example, linking UKIP to the Nazis and Farage to Hitler, leftys have this childish quality to turn things around onto the person who points out their flawed thinking and actions. If you disagree with Climate Change you're a denier, rather like a Holocaust Denier. If you disagree with the Welfare State and Immigration then you're a Fascist and/or a Nazi.

By why let the truth get in the way of a lefty's ranting? Lets forget how many were murdered in the name of Socialism in the Soviet Union, they just attack anyone who is against their sense of universal entitlement. A sense which has led this country to the brink of bankruptcy.

And Essexman10, I thought of 'clearing the browser cache stuff' because I have an education. Something I guess you're against seeing how you seem to be now disagreeing to the events which led to the appointment of Hitler. Very strange.
I think you have just made my point for me. You make assumptions about people (wrong in my case incidentally) and attack those assumptions. Trying to shoot the messenger is pointless, but if it makes you feel better.....
Still waiting for you to give us all the benefit of your historical knowledge.

Making assumptions is obviously a one way thing for you, or does it just annoy you that you cannot quite wriggle out of your previous comments?

So come on, history please. I'm due in court next week to testify on the rise of Hitler, please tell me what I've got wrong about his rise to power and please tell me how, in your mind, his rise to power is related to UKIP and Nigel Farage.

And whilst you're at it, please tell me why you're not admonishing those in this thread who openly compare Farage and UKIP to the Nazis and the gas chambers? That's probably the most distasteful part of this thread, yet such comments are being voted up and, oddly enough, voted up in line with yours?
[quote][p][bold]Essexman10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Essexman10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: How is it that every leftist comment is being voted up, yet history aka the truth is voted down? Are leftist folk clearing out their browser cache and then re-voting? This is bad, it's bad because the truth is being denied.[/p][/quote]Has it occurred to you that there may be more people on here who disagree with you? May I also suggest you take up peoples arguments instead of giving them labels and attacking their labels. And I never thought about clear out my cash and re-voting. Is that something you do?[/p][/quote]and just to pick up on: "Is that something you do?" With regards to skewing the voting system used by the paper's blog software. Essexman10's comment is like that of a banana republic apparatchik when vote rigging has been discovered. The usual comeback comment from banana republic leftys is "I never thought of that, is that something you do?". Like with the twisting of history to suit their needs, for example, linking UKIP to the Nazis and Farage to Hitler, leftys have this childish quality to turn things around onto the person who points out their flawed thinking and actions. If you disagree with Climate Change you're a denier, rather like a Holocaust Denier. If you disagree with the Welfare State and Immigration then you're a Fascist and/or a Nazi. By why let the truth get in the way of a lefty's ranting? Lets forget how many were murdered in the name of Socialism in the Soviet Union, they just attack anyone who is against their sense of universal entitlement. A sense which has led this country to the brink of bankruptcy. And Essexman10, I thought of 'clearing the browser cache stuff' because I have an education. Something I guess you're against seeing how you seem to be now disagreeing to the events which led to the appointment of Hitler. Very strange.[/p][/quote]I think you have just made my point for me. You make assumptions about people (wrong in my case incidentally) and attack those assumptions. Trying to shoot the messenger is pointless, but if it makes you feel better.....[/p][/quote]Still waiting for you to give us all the benefit of your historical knowledge. Making assumptions is obviously a one way thing for you, or does it just annoy you that you cannot quite wriggle out of your previous comments? So come on, history please. I'm due in court next week to testify on the rise of Hitler, please tell me what I've got wrong about his rise to power and please tell me how, in your mind, his rise to power is related to UKIP and Nigel Farage. And whilst you're at it, please tell me why you're not admonishing those in this thread who openly compare Farage and UKIP to the Nazis and the gas chambers? That's probably the most distasteful part of this thread, yet such comments are being voted up and, oddly enough, voted up in line with yours? drbeat
  • Score: 3

6:51pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Eric the Red says...

Montaigne wrote:
Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.
Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.[/p][/quote]Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP. Eric the Red
  • Score: 2

6:56pm Thu 28 Aug 14

jayman says...

Another right-wing scumbag who wants to serve himself even further. What a complete non-entity.

boy "mum... I want to be a Tory politician"

the mum "where did I go so wrong!!"

this conversational, political paradigm is enhanced if the acronym UKIP is substituted for word Tory.

Imagine the logical instability that would arise from this conversational concept if the boy was not a boy but a grown man who had indeed been in receipt of some form of rudimentary political education while spending most of his time in elite institutional education, avoiding the unwanted and inappropriate attention of the prefect.
Another right-wing scumbag who wants to serve himself even further. What a complete non-entity. boy "mum... I want to be a Tory politician" the mum "where did I go so wrong!!" this conversational, political paradigm is enhanced if the acronym UKIP is substituted for word Tory. Imagine the logical instability that would arise from this conversational concept if the boy was not a boy but a grown man who had indeed been in receipt of some form of rudimentary political education while spending most of his time in elite institutional education, avoiding the unwanted and inappropriate attention of the prefect. jayman
  • Score: -7

6:56pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Sensible Man says...

How funny to see the left-wing scum (seriously ODD people) spouting their stinking filth on this thread. Seriously - to all those people reading all this- could you EVER see yourself voting for such evil anti-British left-wing filth that appears here?? They truly are stinking filth.

Vote to save England- anyone except the filthy left-wing stinking filth. No left-wing filth here please!!!!
How funny to see the left-wing scum (seriously ODD people) spouting their stinking filth on this thread. Seriously - to all those people reading all this- could you EVER see yourself voting for such evil anti-British left-wing filth that appears here?? They truly are stinking filth. Vote to save England- anyone except the filthy left-wing stinking filth. No left-wing filth here please!!!! Sensible Man
  • Score: -2

7:01pm Thu 28 Aug 14

drbeat says...

Eric the Red wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.
Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP.
Eric, The fact UKIP won the Euro Elections is also completely lost on the person you've replied to.

You see, I'm not 'allowed' to make assumptions, but anti-UKIP folk are allowed to call us morons and assume that we're not in touch with 'sensible people'. Nazis, supporters of the gas chambers etc. is all fair play too.

Whatever next eh? Genghis Khan?
[quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.[/p][/quote]Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP.[/p][/quote]Eric, The fact UKIP won the Euro Elections is also completely lost on the person you've replied to. You see, I'm not 'allowed' to make assumptions, but anti-UKIP folk are allowed to call us morons and assume that we're not in touch with 'sensible people'. Nazis, supporters of the gas chambers etc. is all fair play too. Whatever next eh? Genghis Khan? drbeat
  • Score: 1

7:08pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Essexman10 says...

Sensible Man wrote:
How funny to see the left-wing scum (seriously ODD people) spouting their stinking filth on this thread. Seriously - to all those people reading all this- could you EVER see yourself voting for such evil anti-British left-wing filth that appears here?? They truly are stinking filth.

Vote to save England- anyone except the filthy left-wing stinking filth. No left-wing filth here please!!!!
I think this makes my point graphically. Imagine what it would be like for free speech in this country if people like 'Sensiblr Man ' (Sic) were in power. UKIP attracts this mentality. Yes. We need to be worried.
[quote][p][bold]Sensible Man[/bold] wrote: How funny to see the left-wing scum (seriously ODD people) spouting their stinking filth on this thread. Seriously - to all those people reading all this- could you EVER see yourself voting for such evil anti-British left-wing filth that appears here?? They truly are stinking filth. Vote to save England- anyone except the filthy left-wing stinking filth. No left-wing filth here please!!!![/p][/quote]I think this makes my point graphically. Imagine what it would be like for free speech in this country if people like 'Sensiblr Man ' (Sic) were in power. UKIP attracts this mentality. Yes. We need to be worried. Essexman10
  • Score: 2

7:10pm Thu 28 Aug 14

drbeat says...

jayman wrote:
Another right-wing scumbag who wants to serve himself even further. What a complete non-entity.

boy "mum... I want to be a Tory politician"

the mum "where did I go so wrong!!"

this conversational, political paradigm is enhanced if the acronym UKIP is substituted for word Tory.

Imagine the logical instability that would arise from this conversational concept if the boy was not a boy but a grown man who had indeed been in receipt of some form of rudimentary political education while spending most of his time in elite institutional education, avoiding the unwanted and inappropriate attention of the prefect.
Imagine a scenario where your credit card is declined in a shop due to lack of funds, here are the following left and right wing outcomes:

Right Winger:

Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined"
Right Winger: "oh sorry, my fault, I've got no money"
...then walks out the shop, learns his/her lesson.

Left Winger

Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined"
Left Winger: proceeds to smash up the shop, loot the place. Wave a banner displaying the shop owners are fascist nazi scum. Swings off the nearest WW1 memorial, smashes up some other shops, does a bit more looting, blames Thatcher for the world's woes, gets arrested. pleads "everything was taken out of context" and then joins the Labour Party.
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: Another right-wing scumbag who wants to serve himself even further. What a complete non-entity. boy "mum... I want to be a Tory politician" the mum "where did I go so wrong!!" this conversational, political paradigm is enhanced if the acronym UKIP is substituted for word Tory. Imagine the logical instability that would arise from this conversational concept if the boy was not a boy but a grown man who had indeed been in receipt of some form of rudimentary political education while spending most of his time in elite institutional education, avoiding the unwanted and inappropriate attention of the prefect.[/p][/quote]Imagine a scenario where your credit card is declined in a shop due to lack of funds, here are the following left and right wing outcomes: Right Winger: Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined" Right Winger: "oh sorry, my fault, I've got no money" ...then walks out the shop, learns his/her lesson. Left Winger Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined" Left Winger: proceeds to smash up the shop, loot the place. Wave a banner displaying the shop owners are fascist nazi scum. Swings off the nearest WW1 memorial, smashes up some other shops, does a bit more looting, blames Thatcher for the world's woes, gets arrested. pleads "everything was taken out of context" and then joins the Labour Party. drbeat
  • Score: -1

7:16pm Thu 28 Aug 14

drbeat says...

Essexman10 wrote:
Sensible Man wrote:
How funny to see the left-wing scum (seriously ODD people) spouting their stinking filth on this thread. Seriously - to all those people reading all this- could you EVER see yourself voting for such evil anti-British left-wing filth that appears here?? They truly are stinking filth.

Vote to save England- anyone except the filthy left-wing stinking filth. No left-wing filth here please!!!!
I think this makes my point graphically. Imagine what it would be like for free speech in this country if people like 'Sensiblr Man ' (Sic) were in power. UKIP attracts this mentality. Yes. We need to be worried.
Still waiting for you to give us all the benefit of your historical knowledge.

Also, you keep going on about 'my point', you've yet to make a point about anything? All you're doing is sniping from the sidelines.

Funnily enough, you have nothing to say about jayman's 'right-wing scumbag' opener?

My assumptions about you were correct, you are a lefty. Doesn't matter if you're a Tory, Lib or Lab voter - you're a lefty.
[quote][p][bold]Essexman10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sensible Man[/bold] wrote: How funny to see the left-wing scum (seriously ODD people) spouting their stinking filth on this thread. Seriously - to all those people reading all this- could you EVER see yourself voting for such evil anti-British left-wing filth that appears here?? They truly are stinking filth. Vote to save England- anyone except the filthy left-wing stinking filth. No left-wing filth here please!!!![/p][/quote]I think this makes my point graphically. Imagine what it would be like for free speech in this country if people like 'Sensiblr Man ' (Sic) were in power. UKIP attracts this mentality. Yes. We need to be worried.[/p][/quote]Still waiting for you to give us all the benefit of your historical knowledge. Also, you keep going on about 'my point', you've yet to make a point about anything? All you're doing is sniping from the sidelines. Funnily enough, you have nothing to say about jayman's 'right-wing scumbag' opener? My assumptions about you were correct, you are a lefty. Doesn't matter if you're a Tory, Lib or Lab voter - you're a lefty. drbeat
  • Score: 0

7:18pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Montaigne says...

drbeat wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.
Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP.
Eric, The fact UKIP won the Euro Elections is also completely lost on the person you've replied to.

You see, I'm not 'allowed' to make assumptions, but anti-UKIP folk are allowed to call us morons and assume that we're not in touch with 'sensible people'. Nazis, supporters of the gas chambers etc. is all fair play too.

Whatever next eh? Genghis Khan?
What a prat you are try thinking for once. we are in danger of emulating the Nazis.
[quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.[/p][/quote]Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP.[/p][/quote]Eric, The fact UKIP won the Euro Elections is also completely lost on the person you've replied to. You see, I'm not 'allowed' to make assumptions, but anti-UKIP folk are allowed to call us morons and assume that we're not in touch with 'sensible people'. Nazis, supporters of the gas chambers etc. is all fair play too. Whatever next eh? Genghis Khan?[/p][/quote]What a prat you are try thinking for once. we are in danger of emulating the Nazis. Montaigne
  • Score: -1

7:20pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Montaigne says...

Sadly I just see a load of right wing morons on this site reinforcing the image of stupid Essex man. We cannot exist without the EU.
Sadly I just see a load of right wing morons on this site reinforcing the image of stupid Essex man. We cannot exist without the EU. Montaigne
  • Score: -3

7:23pm Thu 28 Aug 14

drbeat says...

Montaigne wrote:
drbeat wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.
Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP.
Eric, The fact UKIP won the Euro Elections is also completely lost on the person you've replied to.

You see, I'm not 'allowed' to make assumptions, but anti-UKIP folk are allowed to call us morons and assume that we're not in touch with 'sensible people'. Nazis, supporters of the gas chambers etc. is all fair play too.

Whatever next eh? Genghis Khan?
What a prat you are try thinking for once. we are in danger of emulating the Nazis.
LOL...typical lefty. The use over the top statements and alarm-ism to get across totally baseless arguments is all the signs of lefty desperation. Just like Alistair Campbell's dodgy dossier and the '45 minute' claim.

Prey tell how we're about to emulate the Nazis. I need to get the popcorn sorted, so give me about 5 minutes.
[quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.[/p][/quote]Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP.[/p][/quote]Eric, The fact UKIP won the Euro Elections is also completely lost on the person you've replied to. You see, I'm not 'allowed' to make assumptions, but anti-UKIP folk are allowed to call us morons and assume that we're not in touch with 'sensible people'. Nazis, supporters of the gas chambers etc. is all fair play too. Whatever next eh? Genghis Khan?[/p][/quote]What a prat you are try thinking for once. we are in danger of emulating the Nazis.[/p][/quote]LOL...typical lefty. The use over the top statements and alarm-ism to get across totally baseless arguments is all the signs of lefty desperation. Just like Alistair Campbell's dodgy dossier and the '45 minute' claim. Prey tell how we're about to emulate the Nazis. I need to get the popcorn sorted, so give me about 5 minutes. drbeat
  • Score: 2

7:26pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Sensible Man says...

Fortunately the isolated left-wing filth who post on here will NEVER see their horrible left-wing political colleagues (sponger anyone) voted into office. Labour = support people who are too lazy to work but are happy to sponge off those who they slag off.

By the way - what DID those disgusting Labour filth in Rotherham do about the stinking scum who abused those girls. Not much??? What a surprise!!! Blind left-wing filth!!!!
Fortunately the isolated left-wing filth who post on here will NEVER see their horrible left-wing political colleagues (sponger anyone) voted into office. Labour = support people who are too lazy to work but are happy to sponge off those who they slag off. By the way - what DID those disgusting Labour filth in Rotherham do about the stinking scum who abused those girls. Not much??? What a surprise!!! Blind left-wing filth!!!! Sensible Man
  • Score: 4

7:27pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Montaigne says...

drbeat wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
drbeat wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.
Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP.
Eric, The fact UKIP won the Euro Elections is also completely lost on the person you've replied to.

You see, I'm not 'allowed' to make assumptions, but anti-UKIP folk are allowed to call us morons and assume that we're not in touch with 'sensible people'. Nazis, supporters of the gas chambers etc. is all fair play too.

Whatever next eh? Genghis Khan?
What a prat you are try thinking for once. we are in danger of emulating the Nazis.
LOL...typical lefty. The use over the top statements and alarm-ism to get across totally baseless arguments is all the signs of lefty desperation. Just like Alistair Campbell's dodgy dossier and the '45 minute' claim.

Prey tell how we're about to emulate the Nazis. I need to get the popcorn sorted, so give me about 5 minutes.
Your already doing so. Wise up chummy and see this nasty group for waht they are. EVIL.
[quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.[/p][/quote]Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP.[/p][/quote]Eric, The fact UKIP won the Euro Elections is also completely lost on the person you've replied to. You see, I'm not 'allowed' to make assumptions, but anti-UKIP folk are allowed to call us morons and assume that we're not in touch with 'sensible people'. Nazis, supporters of the gas chambers etc. is all fair play too. Whatever next eh? Genghis Khan?[/p][/quote]What a prat you are try thinking for once. we are in danger of emulating the Nazis.[/p][/quote]LOL...typical lefty. The use over the top statements and alarm-ism to get across totally baseless arguments is all the signs of lefty desperation. Just like Alistair Campbell's dodgy dossier and the '45 minute' claim. Prey tell how we're about to emulate the Nazis. I need to get the popcorn sorted, so give me about 5 minutes.[/p][/quote]Your already doing so. Wise up chummy and see this nasty group for waht they are. EVIL. Montaigne
  • Score: -2

7:27pm Thu 28 Aug 14

drbeat says...

Montaigne wrote:
Sadly I just see a load of right wing morons on this site reinforcing the image of stupid Essex man. We cannot exist without the EU.
Yeah just imagine it, jobs for our own youths. Vacuum cleaners unbanned, windfarms dismantled, HS2 scrapped, lower energy bills, lower taxation, pulled out of stupid wars, no need to hand over 50 million quid per day, the end of Romanian scam gangs, Political Corrrectness abolished, power to make our own laws, power to make our own trading deals with non-EU countries...etc.

Just how will we survive?
[quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Sadly I just see a load of right wing morons on this site reinforcing the image of stupid Essex man. We cannot exist without the EU.[/p][/quote]Yeah just imagine it, jobs for our own youths. Vacuum cleaners unbanned, windfarms dismantled, HS2 scrapped, lower energy bills, lower taxation, pulled out of stupid wars, no need to hand over 50 million quid per day, the end of Romanian scam gangs, Political Corrrectness abolished, power to make our own laws, power to make our own trading deals with non-EU countries...etc. Just how will we survive? drbeat
  • Score: 2

7:28pm Thu 28 Aug 14

drbeat says...

Montaigne wrote:
drbeat wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
drbeat wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.
Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP.
Eric, The fact UKIP won the Euro Elections is also completely lost on the person you've replied to.

You see, I'm not 'allowed' to make assumptions, but anti-UKIP folk are allowed to call us morons and assume that we're not in touch with 'sensible people'. Nazis, supporters of the gas chambers etc. is all fair play too.

Whatever next eh? Genghis Khan?
What a prat you are try thinking for once. we are in danger of emulating the Nazis.
LOL...typical lefty. The use over the top statements and alarm-ism to get across totally baseless arguments is all the signs of lefty desperation. Just like Alistair Campbell's dodgy dossier and the '45 minute' claim.

Prey tell how we're about to emulate the Nazis. I need to get the popcorn sorted, so give me about 5 minutes.
Your already doing so. Wise up chummy and see this nasty group for waht they are. EVIL.
I'm seeing you for what you are, an evil lefty.
[quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.[/p][/quote]Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP.[/p][/quote]Eric, The fact UKIP won the Euro Elections is also completely lost on the person you've replied to. You see, I'm not 'allowed' to make assumptions, but anti-UKIP folk are allowed to call us morons and assume that we're not in touch with 'sensible people'. Nazis, supporters of the gas chambers etc. is all fair play too. Whatever next eh? Genghis Khan?[/p][/quote]What a prat you are try thinking for once. we are in danger of emulating the Nazis.[/p][/quote]LOL...typical lefty. The use over the top statements and alarm-ism to get across totally baseless arguments is all the signs of lefty desperation. Just like Alistair Campbell's dodgy dossier and the '45 minute' claim. Prey tell how we're about to emulate the Nazis. I need to get the popcorn sorted, so give me about 5 minutes.[/p][/quote]Your already doing so. Wise up chummy and see this nasty group for waht they are. EVIL.[/p][/quote]I'm seeing you for what you are, an evil lefty. drbeat
  • Score: 1

7:32pm Thu 28 Aug 14

drbeat says...

Sensible Man wrote:
Fortunately the isolated left-wing filth who post on here will NEVER see their horrible left-wing political colleagues (sponger anyone) voted into office. Labour = support people who are too lazy to work but are happy to sponge off those who they slag off.

By the way - what DID those disgusting Labour filth in Rotherham do about the stinking scum who abused those girls. Not much??? What a surprise!!! Blind left-wing filth!!!!
Yep...Rotherham. Labour again, EU Political Correctness again. If anything, we have much to fear from Labour, Libs and the Tories. All of those parties are implicated in pedo and sex scandals. And the Lib-Dems have let Rennard back in the door again? Disgusting!

And the fact Labour controlled Rotherham withdrew foster kids from a foster family who supported UKIP is another scandal for which there is no answer for? And oddly enough, the family concerned were former Labour supporters?
[quote][p][bold]Sensible Man[/bold] wrote: Fortunately the isolated left-wing filth who post on here will NEVER see their horrible left-wing political colleagues (sponger anyone) voted into office. Labour = support people who are too lazy to work but are happy to sponge off those who they slag off. By the way - what DID those disgusting Labour filth in Rotherham do about the stinking scum who abused those girls. Not much??? What a surprise!!! Blind left-wing filth!!!![/p][/quote]Yep...Rotherham. Labour again, EU Political Correctness again. If anything, we have much to fear from Labour, Libs and the Tories. All of those parties are implicated in pedo and sex scandals. And the Lib-Dems have let Rennard back in the door again? Disgusting! And the fact Labour controlled Rotherham withdrew foster kids from a foster family who supported UKIP is another scandal for which there is no answer for? And oddly enough, the family concerned were former Labour supporters? drbeat
  • Score: 7

7:34pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Montaigne says...

drbeat wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
drbeat wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
drbeat wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.
Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP.
Eric, The fact UKIP won the Euro Elections is also completely lost on the person you've replied to.

You see, I'm not 'allowed' to make assumptions, but anti-UKIP folk are allowed to call us morons and assume that we're not in touch with 'sensible people'. Nazis, supporters of the gas chambers etc. is all fair play too.

Whatever next eh? Genghis Khan?
What a prat you are try thinking for once. we are in danger of emulating the Nazis.
LOL...typical lefty. The use over the top statements and alarm-ism to get across totally baseless arguments is all the signs of lefty desperation. Just like Alistair Campbell's dodgy dossier and the '45 minute' claim.

Prey tell how we're about to emulate the Nazis. I need to get the popcorn sorted, so give me about 5 minutes.
Your already doing so. Wise up chummy and see this nasty group for waht they are. EVIL.
I'm seeing you for what you are, an evil lefty.
Don't be stupid lefties are humanitarian not evil. Are you that stupid?
[quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.[/p][/quote]Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP.[/p][/quote]Eric, The fact UKIP won the Euro Elections is also completely lost on the person you've replied to. You see, I'm not 'allowed' to make assumptions, but anti-UKIP folk are allowed to call us morons and assume that we're not in touch with 'sensible people'. Nazis, supporters of the gas chambers etc. is all fair play too. Whatever next eh? Genghis Khan?[/p][/quote]What a prat you are try thinking for once. we are in danger of emulating the Nazis.[/p][/quote]LOL...typical lefty. The use over the top statements and alarm-ism to get across totally baseless arguments is all the signs of lefty desperation. Just like Alistair Campbell's dodgy dossier and the '45 minute' claim. Prey tell how we're about to emulate the Nazis. I need to get the popcorn sorted, so give me about 5 minutes.[/p][/quote]Your already doing so. Wise up chummy and see this nasty group for waht they are. EVIL.[/p][/quote]I'm seeing you for what you are, an evil lefty.[/p][/quote]Don't be stupid lefties are humanitarian not evil. Are you that stupid? Montaigne
  • Score: -3

7:40pm Thu 28 Aug 14

drbeat says...

Montaigne wrote:
drbeat wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
drbeat wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
drbeat wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.
Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP.
Eric, The fact UKIP won the Euro Elections is also completely lost on the person you've replied to.

You see, I'm not 'allowed' to make assumptions, but anti-UKIP folk are allowed to call us morons and assume that we're not in touch with 'sensible people'. Nazis, supporters of the gas chambers etc. is all fair play too.

Whatever next eh? Genghis Khan?
What a prat you are try thinking for once. we are in danger of emulating the Nazis.
LOL...typical lefty. The use over the top statements and alarm-ism to get across totally baseless arguments is all the signs of lefty desperation. Just like Alistair Campbell's dodgy dossier and the '45 minute' claim.

Prey tell how we're about to emulate the Nazis. I need to get the popcorn sorted, so give me about 5 minutes.
Your already doing so. Wise up chummy and see this nasty group for waht they are. EVIL.
I'm seeing you for what you are, an evil lefty.
Don't be stupid lefties are humanitarian not evil. Are you that stupid?
So what happened in Rotherham? Your humanitarian colleagues are refusing to resign, how very humanitarian of them...in an evil way I suppose.

Or was it all 'taken out of context'?
[quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.[/p][/quote]Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP.[/p][/quote]Eric, The fact UKIP won the Euro Elections is also completely lost on the person you've replied to. You see, I'm not 'allowed' to make assumptions, but anti-UKIP folk are allowed to call us morons and assume that we're not in touch with 'sensible people'. Nazis, supporters of the gas chambers etc. is all fair play too. Whatever next eh? Genghis Khan?[/p][/quote]What a prat you are try thinking for once. we are in danger of emulating the Nazis.[/p][/quote]LOL...typical lefty. The use over the top statements and alarm-ism to get across totally baseless arguments is all the signs of lefty desperation. Just like Alistair Campbell's dodgy dossier and the '45 minute' claim. Prey tell how we're about to emulate the Nazis. I need to get the popcorn sorted, so give me about 5 minutes.[/p][/quote]Your already doing so. Wise up chummy and see this nasty group for waht they are. EVIL.[/p][/quote]I'm seeing you for what you are, an evil lefty.[/p][/quote]Don't be stupid lefties are humanitarian not evil. Are you that stupid?[/p][/quote]So what happened in Rotherham? Your humanitarian colleagues are refusing to resign, how very humanitarian of them...in an evil way I suppose. Or was it all 'taken out of context'? drbeat
  • Score: 1

7:40pm Thu 28 Aug 14

jayman says...

drbeat wrote:
jayman wrote:
Another right-wing scumbag who wants to serve himself even further. What a complete non-entity.

boy "mum... I want to be a Tory politician"

the mum "where did I go so wrong!!"

this conversational, political paradigm is enhanced if the acronym UKIP is substituted for word Tory.

Imagine the logical instability that would arise from this conversational concept if the boy was not a boy but a grown man who had indeed been in receipt of some form of rudimentary political education while spending most of his time in elite institutional education, avoiding the unwanted and inappropriate attention of the prefect.
Imagine a scenario where your credit card is declined in a shop due to lack of funds, here are the following left and right wing outcomes:

Right Winger:

Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined"
Right Winger: "oh sorry, my fault, I've got no money"
...then walks out the shop, learns his/her lesson.

Left Winger

Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined"
Left Winger: proceeds to smash up the shop, loot the place. Wave a banner displaying the shop owners are fascist nazi scum. Swings off the nearest WW1 memorial, smashes up some other shops, does a bit more looting, blames Thatcher for the world's woes, gets arrested. pleads "everything was taken out of context" and then joins the Labour Party.
I believe in your antagonistic example you are describing the mentality of an anarchist, not a socialist.

try this.

The shop sells goods that are of or have a 'a common social value' the socialist government will nationalise the shop. fix the prices at an affordable level while allowing direct competition from other retailers.

The right-wing conservative comes along, he vilifies the shop workers and makes claims that the shop is not viable (it is) he owns the other shops that are in direct competition to the state owned shop. eventually he strips the shop[ of all its assets and sells the shop for one tenth its actual value.

the UKIP politician will do all the awful things the Tory politician did but he will simply add a thatched roof to the privatised shop.
[quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: Another right-wing scumbag who wants to serve himself even further. What a complete non-entity. boy "mum... I want to be a Tory politician" the mum "where did I go so wrong!!" this conversational, political paradigm is enhanced if the acronym UKIP is substituted for word Tory. Imagine the logical instability that would arise from this conversational concept if the boy was not a boy but a grown man who had indeed been in receipt of some form of rudimentary political education while spending most of his time in elite institutional education, avoiding the unwanted and inappropriate attention of the prefect.[/p][/quote]Imagine a scenario where your credit card is declined in a shop due to lack of funds, here are the following left and right wing outcomes: Right Winger: Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined" Right Winger: "oh sorry, my fault, I've got no money" ...then walks out the shop, learns his/her lesson. Left Winger Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined" Left Winger: proceeds to smash up the shop, loot the place. Wave a banner displaying the shop owners are fascist nazi scum. Swings off the nearest WW1 memorial, smashes up some other shops, does a bit more looting, blames Thatcher for the world's woes, gets arrested. pleads "everything was taken out of context" and then joins the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]I believe in your antagonistic example you are describing the mentality of an anarchist, not a socialist. try this. The shop sells goods that are of or have a 'a common social value' the socialist government will nationalise the shop. fix the prices at an affordable level while allowing direct competition from other retailers. The right-wing conservative comes along, he vilifies the shop workers and makes claims that the shop is not viable (it is) he owns the other shops that are in direct competition to the state owned shop. eventually he strips the shop[ of all its assets and sells the shop for one tenth its actual value. the UKIP politician will do all the awful things the Tory politician did but he will simply add a thatched roof to the privatised shop. jayman
  • Score: 1

7:43pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Montaigne says...

drbeat wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
drbeat wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
drbeat wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
drbeat wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.
Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP.
Eric, The fact UKIP won the Euro Elections is also completely lost on the person you've replied to.

You see, I'm not 'allowed' to make assumptions, but anti-UKIP folk are allowed to call us morons and assume that we're not in touch with 'sensible people'. Nazis, supporters of the gas chambers etc. is all fair play too.

Whatever next eh? Genghis Khan?
What a prat you are try thinking for once. we are in danger of emulating the Nazis.
LOL...typical lefty. The use over the top statements and alarm-ism to get across totally baseless arguments is all the signs of lefty desperation. Just like Alistair Campbell's dodgy dossier and the '45 minute' claim.

Prey tell how we're about to emulate the Nazis. I need to get the popcorn sorted, so give me about 5 minutes.
Your already doing so. Wise up chummy and see this nasty group for waht they are. EVIL.
I'm seeing you for what you are, an evil lefty.
Don't be stupid lefties are humanitarian not evil. Are you that stupid?
So what happened in Rotherham? Your humanitarian colleagues are refusing to resign, how very humanitarian of them...in an evil way I suppose.

Or was it all 'taken out of context'?
Don't be a prat these are not humanitarian in any way shape or form. Its only idiots like you that use this to discredit the left when you should be grateful for their care.
[quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.[/p][/quote]Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP.[/p][/quote]Eric, The fact UKIP won the Euro Elections is also completely lost on the person you've replied to. You see, I'm not 'allowed' to make assumptions, but anti-UKIP folk are allowed to call us morons and assume that we're not in touch with 'sensible people'. Nazis, supporters of the gas chambers etc. is all fair play too. Whatever next eh? Genghis Khan?[/p][/quote]What a prat you are try thinking for once. we are in danger of emulating the Nazis.[/p][/quote]LOL...typical lefty. The use over the top statements and alarm-ism to get across totally baseless arguments is all the signs of lefty desperation. Just like Alistair Campbell's dodgy dossier and the '45 minute' claim. Prey tell how we're about to emulate the Nazis. I need to get the popcorn sorted, so give me about 5 minutes.[/p][/quote]Your already doing so. Wise up chummy and see this nasty group for waht they are. EVIL.[/p][/quote]I'm seeing you for what you are, an evil lefty.[/p][/quote]Don't be stupid lefties are humanitarian not evil. Are you that stupid?[/p][/quote]So what happened in Rotherham? Your humanitarian colleagues are refusing to resign, how very humanitarian of them...in an evil way I suppose. Or was it all 'taken out of context'?[/p][/quote]Don't be a prat these are not humanitarian in any way shape or form. Its only idiots like you that use this to discredit the left when you should be grateful for their care. Montaigne
  • Score: 0

7:45pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Sensible Man says...

drbeat wrote:
Sensible Man wrote:
Fortunately the isolated left-wing filth who post on here will NEVER see their horrible left-wing political colleagues (sponger anyone) voted into office. Labour = support people who are too lazy to work but are happy to sponge off those who they slag off.

By the way - what DID those disgusting Labour filth in Rotherham do about the stinking scum who abused those girls. Not much??? What a surprise!!! Blind left-wing filth!!!!
Yep...Rotherham. Labour again, EU Political Correctness again. If anything, we have much to fear from Labour, Libs and the Tories. All of those parties are implicated in pedo and sex scandals. And the Lib-Dems have let Rennard back in the door again? Disgusting!

And the fact Labour controlled Rotherham withdrew foster kids from a foster family who supported UKIP is another scandal for which there is no answer for? And oddly enough, the family concerned were former Labour supporters?
One can only despair - look at the Labour shadow front-bench. They all have loadsamoney!!! Hypocritical fat-cats!!!

And yet you still get brainless left-wing idiots on here supporting these "oh so working class" lefties!!! Truly stupid stupid left-wing idiots!!! Whoop whoop whoop!!!!
[quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sensible Man[/bold] wrote: Fortunately the isolated left-wing filth who post on here will NEVER see their horrible left-wing political colleagues (sponger anyone) voted into office. Labour = support people who are too lazy to work but are happy to sponge off those who they slag off. By the way - what DID those disgusting Labour filth in Rotherham do about the stinking scum who abused those girls. Not much??? What a surprise!!! Blind left-wing filth!!!![/p][/quote]Yep...Rotherham. Labour again, EU Political Correctness again. If anything, we have much to fear from Labour, Libs and the Tories. All of those parties are implicated in pedo and sex scandals. And the Lib-Dems have let Rennard back in the door again? Disgusting! And the fact Labour controlled Rotherham withdrew foster kids from a foster family who supported UKIP is another scandal for which there is no answer for? And oddly enough, the family concerned were former Labour supporters?[/p][/quote]One can only despair - look at the Labour shadow front-bench. They all have loadsamoney!!! Hypocritical fat-cats!!! And yet you still get brainless left-wing idiots on here supporting these "oh so working class" lefties!!! Truly stupid stupid left-wing idiots!!! Whoop whoop whoop!!!! Sensible Man
  • Score: 3

7:47pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Montaigne says...

Sorry people but I despair over the moronic nature of your comments that I no longer wish to converse with such a bunch of thickes so I am signing off.
Sorry people but I despair over the moronic nature of your comments that I no longer wish to converse with such a bunch of thickes so I am signing off. Montaigne
  • Score: 7

7:59pm Thu 28 Aug 14

drbeat says...

jayman wrote:
drbeat wrote:
jayman wrote:
Another right-wing scumbag who wants to serve himself even further. What a complete non-entity.

boy "mum... I want to be a Tory politician"

the mum "where did I go so wrong!!"

this conversational, political paradigm is enhanced if the acronym UKIP is substituted for word Tory.

Imagine the logical instability that would arise from this conversational concept if the boy was not a boy but a grown man who had indeed been in receipt of some form of rudimentary political education while spending most of his time in elite institutional education, avoiding the unwanted and inappropriate attention of the prefect.
Imagine a scenario where your credit card is declined in a shop due to lack of funds, here are the following left and right wing outcomes:

Right Winger:

Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined"
Right Winger: "oh sorry, my fault, I've got no money"
...then walks out the shop, learns his/her lesson.

Left Winger

Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined"
Left Winger: proceeds to smash up the shop, loot the place. Wave a banner displaying the shop owners are fascist nazi scum. Swings off the nearest WW1 memorial, smashes up some other shops, does a bit more looting, blames Thatcher for the world's woes, gets arrested. pleads "everything was taken out of context" and then joins the Labour Party.
I believe in your antagonistic example you are describing the mentality of an anarchist, not a socialist.

try this.

The shop sells goods that are of or have a 'a common social value' the socialist government will nationalise the shop. fix the prices at an affordable level while allowing direct competition from other retailers.

The right-wing conservative comes along, he vilifies the shop workers and makes claims that the shop is not viable (it is) he owns the other shops that are in direct competition to the state owned shop. eventually he strips the shop
So nearly 50 years of failed post war consensus comes to nothing?

So what happens when the workers in the state on shop demand higher wages? And then they don't get those wages their union calls a strike. The Socialist shop owner gives in and pays them higher wages resulting in higher prices for the goods within. Everyone then decides to go to the private shops where they know they can get the goods cheaper.

The workers of the state owned shop carry on demanding higher wages, but because the products they supply are not in demand, due to higher prices, the Socialist shop owner declines their demands. So the shop workers go on strike again and so the Socialist shop owner gives in and gives them a payrise.

By this time, the Socialist shop is suffering from rampant inflation so as a result, the Socialist shop owner decides to raise business rates and taxation for all the other private shops. As a result of that, the private shops raise their prices but point the finger of blame at the Socialist shop.

Due to rising product prices in both socialist and private shops, customers then start demanding wage increases from their employers. Some get the increase but others don't, the Socialist shop owner stands back and does nothing.

Now there is rampant inflation in the whole system and everyone wants more money to cover higher costs of living. The Socialist Shop owner addresses this by introducing a wage limit for his shop workers. The workers go on strike.

To address the inflation situation overall, the Socialist shop owner introduces 90% taxation and raises interest rates, business rates and everything else to persuade people not to eat. Suddenly everyone goes on strike.

A year later, the people vote in a right wing government who blows socialism out of the system. 18 years later, the people vote in a socialist government who reintroduces socialism back into the system. The party who was the Right Wing govt. shift to the left and carry on the socialist policies of the previous govt.

All the shops are now propped up through Tax Credits and the capitalist shop owners are delighted that the govt. is now out of the shop business but is instead subsidising wages and providing cheap labour from Eastern Europe.

Unfortunately, the countries overall government debt is over a trillion quid and know one knows when it's all going to come crashing down on us. Youth unemployment is at over 2 million, but hey...who cares?
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: Another right-wing scumbag who wants to serve himself even further. What a complete non-entity. boy "mum... I want to be a Tory politician" the mum "where did I go so wrong!!" this conversational, political paradigm is enhanced if the acronym UKIP is substituted for word Tory. Imagine the logical instability that would arise from this conversational concept if the boy was not a boy but a grown man who had indeed been in receipt of some form of rudimentary political education while spending most of his time in elite institutional education, avoiding the unwanted and inappropriate attention of the prefect.[/p][/quote]Imagine a scenario where your credit card is declined in a shop due to lack of funds, here are the following left and right wing outcomes: Right Winger: Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined" Right Winger: "oh sorry, my fault, I've got no money" ...then walks out the shop, learns his/her lesson. Left Winger Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined" Left Winger: proceeds to smash up the shop, loot the place. Wave a banner displaying the shop owners are fascist nazi scum. Swings off the nearest WW1 memorial, smashes up some other shops, does a bit more looting, blames Thatcher for the world's woes, gets arrested. pleads "everything was taken out of context" and then joins the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]I believe in your antagonistic example you are describing the mentality of an anarchist, not a socialist. try this. The shop sells goods that are of or have a 'a common social value' the socialist government will nationalise the shop. fix the prices at an affordable level while allowing direct competition from other retailers. The right-wing conservative comes along, he vilifies the shop workers and makes claims that the shop is not viable (it is) he owns the other shops that are in direct competition to the state owned shop. eventually he strips the shop[ of all its assets and sells the shop for one tenth its actual value. the UKIP politician will do all the awful things the Tory politician did but he will simply add a thatched roof to the privatised shop.[/p][/quote]So nearly 50 years of failed post war consensus comes to nothing? So what happens when the workers in the state on shop demand higher wages? And then they don't get those wages their union calls a strike. The Socialist shop owner gives in and pays them higher wages resulting in higher prices for the goods within. Everyone then decides to go to the private shops where they know they can get the goods cheaper. The workers of the state owned shop carry on demanding higher wages, but because the products they supply are not in demand, due to higher prices, the Socialist shop owner declines their demands. So the shop workers go on strike again and so the Socialist shop owner gives in and gives them a payrise. By this time, the Socialist shop is suffering from rampant inflation so as a result, the Socialist shop owner decides to raise business rates and taxation for all the other private shops. As a result of that, the private shops raise their prices but point the finger of blame at the Socialist shop. Due to rising product prices in both socialist and private shops, customers then start demanding wage increases from their employers. Some get the increase but others don't, the Socialist shop owner stands back and does nothing. Now there is rampant inflation in the whole system and everyone wants more money to cover higher costs of living. The Socialist Shop owner addresses this by introducing a wage limit for his shop workers. The workers go on strike. To address the inflation situation overall, the Socialist shop owner introduces 90% taxation and raises interest rates, business rates and everything else to persuade people not to eat. Suddenly everyone goes on strike. A year later, the people vote in a right wing government who blows socialism out of the system. 18 years later, the people vote in a socialist government who reintroduces socialism back into the system. The party who was the Right Wing govt. shift to the left and carry on the socialist policies of the previous govt. All the shops are now propped up through Tax Credits and the capitalist shop owners are delighted that the govt. is now out of the shop business but is instead subsidising wages and providing cheap labour from Eastern Europe. Unfortunately, the countries overall government debt is over a trillion quid and know one knows when it's all going to come crashing down on us. Youth unemployment is at over 2 million, but hey...who cares? drbeat
  • Score: -1

8:03pm Thu 28 Aug 14

drbeat says...

Montaigne wrote:
Sorry people but I despair over the moronic nature of your comments that I no longer wish to converse with such a bunch of thickes so I am signing off.
So questioning why Labour and the Leftys allowed Rotherham to happen is of a 'moronic nature'?

I'm truly flabbergasted...I really am.
[quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Sorry people but I despair over the moronic nature of your comments that I no longer wish to converse with such a bunch of thickes so I am signing off.[/p][/quote]So questioning why Labour and the Leftys allowed Rotherham to happen is of a 'moronic nature'? I'm truly flabbergasted...I really am. drbeat
  • Score: 4

8:06pm Thu 28 Aug 14

drbeat says...

Montaigne wrote:
drbeat wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
drbeat wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
drbeat wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
drbeat wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.
Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP.
Eric, The fact UKIP won the Euro Elections is also completely lost on the person you've replied to.

You see, I'm not 'allowed' to make assumptions, but anti-UKIP folk are allowed to call us morons and assume that we're not in touch with 'sensible people'. Nazis, supporters of the gas chambers etc. is all fair play too.

Whatever next eh? Genghis Khan?
What a prat you are try thinking for once. we are in danger of emulating the Nazis.
LOL...typical lefty. The use over the top statements and alarm-ism to get across totally baseless arguments is all the signs of lefty desperation. Just like Alistair Campbell's dodgy dossier and the '45 minute' claim.

Prey tell how we're about to emulate the Nazis. I need to get the popcorn sorted, so give me about 5 minutes.
Your already doing so. Wise up chummy and see this nasty group for waht they are. EVIL.
I'm seeing you for what you are, an evil lefty.
Don't be stupid lefties are humanitarian not evil. Are you that stupid?
So what happened in Rotherham? Your humanitarian colleagues are refusing to resign, how very humanitarian of them...in an evil way I suppose.

Or was it all 'taken out of context'?
Don't be a prat these are not humanitarian in any way shape or form. Its only idiots like you that use this to discredit the left when you should be grateful for their care.
I don't need to discredit the left. The left does a fantastic job of discrediting itself. The problem is that leftys like yourself get very aggressive when your failings are pointed out for all to see. Even the Beeb is now having a hard time covering up the left's sick actions (or lack of).
[quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.[/p][/quote]Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP.[/p][/quote]Eric, The fact UKIP won the Euro Elections is also completely lost on the person you've replied to. You see, I'm not 'allowed' to make assumptions, but anti-UKIP folk are allowed to call us morons and assume that we're not in touch with 'sensible people'. Nazis, supporters of the gas chambers etc. is all fair play too. Whatever next eh? Genghis Khan?[/p][/quote]What a prat you are try thinking for once. we are in danger of emulating the Nazis.[/p][/quote]LOL...typical lefty. The use over the top statements and alarm-ism to get across totally baseless arguments is all the signs of lefty desperation. Just like Alistair Campbell's dodgy dossier and the '45 minute' claim. Prey tell how we're about to emulate the Nazis. I need to get the popcorn sorted, so give me about 5 minutes.[/p][/quote]Your already doing so. Wise up chummy and see this nasty group for waht they are. EVIL.[/p][/quote]I'm seeing you for what you are, an evil lefty.[/p][/quote]Don't be stupid lefties are humanitarian not evil. Are you that stupid?[/p][/quote]So what happened in Rotherham? Your humanitarian colleagues are refusing to resign, how very humanitarian of them...in an evil way I suppose. Or was it all 'taken out of context'?[/p][/quote]Don't be a prat these are not humanitarian in any way shape or form. Its only idiots like you that use this to discredit the left when you should be grateful for their care.[/p][/quote]I don't need to discredit the left. The left does a fantastic job of discrediting itself. The problem is that leftys like yourself get very aggressive when your failings are pointed out for all to see. Even the Beeb is now having a hard time covering up the left's sick actions (or lack of). drbeat
  • Score: 0

8:07pm Thu 28 Aug 14

drbeat says...

" when you should be grateful for their care."

Yes I'm very grateful of the Trillion+ quid public debt left to us by the Left. Very grateful indeed, and so are my kids...and their future kids...and their kids future kids.
" when you should be grateful for their care." Yes I'm very grateful of the Trillion+ quid public debt left to us by the Left. Very grateful indeed, and so are my kids...and their future kids...and their kids future kids. drbeat
  • Score: 2

8:10pm Thu 28 Aug 14

drbeat says...

Anyway, I'll sign off now. It's been an immense pleasure to debate with you all. Thoroughly enjoyed it.
Anyway, I'll sign off now. It's been an immense pleasure to debate with you all. Thoroughly enjoyed it. drbeat
  • Score: -1

8:10pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Essexman10 says...

drbeat wrote:
Essexman10 wrote:
Sensible Man wrote:
How funny to see the left-wing scum (seriously ODD people) spouting their stinking filth on this thread. Seriously - to all those people reading all this- could you EVER see yourself voting for such evil anti-British left-wing filth that appears here?? They truly are stinking filth.

Vote to save England- anyone except the filthy left-wing stinking filth. No left-wing filth here please!!!!
I think this makes my point graphically. Imagine what it would be like for free speech in this country if people like 'Sensiblr Man ' (Sic) were in power. UKIP attracts this mentality. Yes. We need to be worried.
Still waiting for you to give us all the benefit of your historical knowledge.

Also, you keep going on about 'my point', you've yet to make a point about anything? All you're doing is sniping from the sidelines.

Funnily enough, you have nothing to say about jayman's 'right-wing scumbag' opener?

My assumptions about you were correct, you are a lefty. Doesn't matter if you're a Tory, Lib or Lab voter - you're a lefty.
I think you should read the first 2 comments of mine on here (1.27pm and 2.55pm. You might not agree but my views were clear. Your account of the rise of Hitler to power I would not disagree with. Its a pity you topped and tailed it with a diatribe against 'leftys' and equating National Socialism with Socialism, something Hitler attempted to do to fool ordinary people. In fact socialism is to do with internationalism and the brotherhood of mankind, irrespective of race, sex and nationality. Thus 'National' socialism is a contradiction in terms. I also found it strange you wrote "After the Reichstag was burned down by a Communist (according to the Nazis)" In fact it is generally accepted that the Nazis burnt it down themselves to give Hitler his excuse for rounding up and executing Communists, Trade Unionist AND Socialists, as well as anyone he felt might be a threat to his remaining in power.

As for comments like 'Right-wing scumbag' they are just as bad as your personal 'name-calling'. It should be the message that is argued against not the messenger being attacked. Calling me a 'lefty' actually means nothing - its name-calling. But I would not put you in the same 'category' as 'Sensible Man' who, unlike you, has SOLELY levelled abuse bon here.
[quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Essexman10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sensible Man[/bold] wrote: How funny to see the left-wing scum (seriously ODD people) spouting their stinking filth on this thread. Seriously - to all those people reading all this- could you EVER see yourself voting for such evil anti-British left-wing filth that appears here?? They truly are stinking filth. Vote to save England- anyone except the filthy left-wing stinking filth. No left-wing filth here please!!!![/p][/quote]I think this makes my point graphically. Imagine what it would be like for free speech in this country if people like 'Sensiblr Man ' (Sic) were in power. UKIP attracts this mentality. Yes. We need to be worried.[/p][/quote]Still waiting for you to give us all the benefit of your historical knowledge. Also, you keep going on about 'my point', you've yet to make a point about anything? All you're doing is sniping from the sidelines. Funnily enough, you have nothing to say about jayman's 'right-wing scumbag' opener? My assumptions about you were correct, you are a lefty. Doesn't matter if you're a Tory, Lib or Lab voter - you're a lefty.[/p][/quote]I think you should read the first 2 comments of mine on here (1.27pm and 2.55pm. You might not agree but my views were clear. Your account of the rise of Hitler to power I would not disagree with. Its a pity you topped and tailed it with a diatribe against 'leftys' and equating National Socialism with Socialism, something Hitler attempted to do to fool ordinary people. In fact socialism is to do with internationalism and the brotherhood of mankind, irrespective of race, sex and nationality. Thus 'National' socialism is a contradiction in terms. I also found it strange you wrote "After the Reichstag was burned down by a Communist (according to the Nazis)" In fact it is generally accepted that the Nazis burnt it down themselves to give Hitler his excuse for rounding up and executing Communists, Trade Unionist AND Socialists, as well as anyone he felt might be a threat to his remaining in power. As for comments like 'Right-wing scumbag' they are just as bad as your personal 'name-calling'. It should be the message that is argued against not the messenger being attacked. Calling me a 'lefty' actually means nothing - its name-calling. But I would not put you in the same 'category' as 'Sensible Man' who, unlike you, has SOLELY levelled abuse bon here. Essexman10
  • Score: 4

8:41pm Thu 28 Aug 14

DAGASMAN says...

The left call anybody who doesnt share their liberal views "fascist" & compare them to nazis. it infuriates them so much that they are in the minority and that the public growingly rejects their liberalism, that they totally miss the ironic hypocrisy of their behaviour.
The left call anybody who doesnt share their liberal views "fascist" & compare them to nazis. it infuriates them so much that they are in the minority and that the public growingly rejects their liberalism, that they totally miss the ironic hypocrisy of their behaviour. DAGASMAN
  • Score: 4

8:51pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Dr Carrot says...

Tories and UKIP are not enemies but the contrived two-pronged tool of right-wing establishment with aim of prolonging its political control. On the immigration issue, people need to wake up to the fact that businesses pro actively entice immigrant labour to conveniently enable right-wingers to influence opinion and voters.
Tories and UKIP are not enemies but the contrived two-pronged tool of right-wing establishment with aim of prolonging its political control. On the immigration issue, people need to wake up to the fact that businesses pro actively entice immigrant labour to conveniently enable right-wingers to influence opinion and voters. Dr Carrot
  • Score: 4

9:23pm Thu 28 Aug 14

jayman says...

drbeat wrote:
jayman wrote:
drbeat wrote:
jayman wrote:
Another right-wing scumbag who wants to serve himself even further. What a complete non-entity.

boy "mum... I want to be a Tory politician"

the mum "where did I go so wrong!!"

this conversational, political paradigm is enhanced if the acronym UKIP is substituted for word Tory.

Imagine the logical instability that would arise from this conversational concept if the boy was not a boy but a grown man who had indeed been in receipt of some form of rudimentary political education while spending most of his time in elite institutional education, avoiding the unwanted and inappropriate attention of the prefect.
Imagine a scenario where your credit card is declined in a shop due to lack of funds, here are the following left and right wing outcomes:

Right Winger:

Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined"
Right Winger: "oh sorry, my fault, I've got no money"
...then walks out the shop, learns his/her lesson.

Left Winger

Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined"
Left Winger: proceeds to smash up the shop, loot the place. Wave a banner displaying the shop owners are fascist nazi scum. Swings off the nearest WW1 memorial, smashes up some other shops, does a bit more looting, blames Thatcher for the world's woes, gets arrested. pleads "everything was taken out of context" and then joins the Labour Party.
I believe in your antagonistic example you are describing the mentality of an anarchist, not a socialist.

try this.

The shop sells goods that are of or have a 'a common social value' the socialist government will nationalise the shop. fix the prices at an affordable level while allowing direct competition from other retailers.

The right-wing conservative comes along, he vilifies the shop workers and makes claims that the shop is not viable (it is) he owns the other shops that are in direct competition to the state owned shop. eventually he strips the shop
So nearly 50 years of failed post war consensus comes to nothing?

So what happens when the workers in the state on shop demand higher wages? And then they don't get those wages their union calls a strike. The Socialist shop owner gives in and pays them higher wages resulting in higher prices for the goods within. Everyone then decides to go to the private shops where they know they can get the goods cheaper.

The workers of the state owned shop carry on demanding higher wages, but because the products they supply are not in demand, due to higher prices, the Socialist shop owner declines their demands. So the shop workers go on strike again and so the Socialist shop owner gives in and gives them a payrise.

By this time, the Socialist shop is suffering from rampant inflation so as a result, the Socialist shop owner decides to raise business rates and taxation for all the other private shops. As a result of that, the private shops raise their prices but point the finger of blame at the Socialist shop.

Due to rising product prices in both socialist and private shops, customers then start demanding wage increases from their employers. Some get the increase but others don't, the Socialist shop owner stands back and does nothing.

Now there is rampant inflation in the whole system and everyone wants more money to cover higher costs of living. The Socialist Shop owner addresses this by introducing a wage limit for his shop workers. The workers go on strike.

To address the inflation situation overall, the Socialist shop owner introduces 90% taxation and raises interest rates, business rates and everything else to persuade people not to eat. Suddenly everyone goes on strike.

A year later, the people vote in a right wing government who blows socialism out of the system. 18 years later, the people vote in a socialist government who reintroduces socialism back into the system. The party who was the Right Wing govt. shift to the left and carry on the socialist policies of the previous govt.

All the shops are now propped up through Tax Credits and the capitalist shop owners are delighted that the govt. is now out of the shop business but is instead subsidising wages and providing cheap labour from Eastern Europe.

Unfortunately, the countries overall government debt is over a trillion quid and know one knows when it's all going to come crashing down on us. Youth unemployment is at over 2 million, but hey...who cares?
a few problems with your analysis

"18 years later, the people vote in a socialist government who reintroduces socialism back into the system. The party who was the Right Wing govt. shift to the left and carry on the socialist policies of the previous govt."

no the people didn't. they voted in 'new labour' this is considered by Tories and socialists as a bad move. the new labour movement was a failure. Tory Blair sent Isaiah Berlin a letter prior to coming to power. The letter asked if positive and negative liberty could exists in a single system. Berlin died before he could reply but he would have properly said "no you stupid fool" Tony Blair went ahead with this flawed government ideology which proved to be a financial and political disaster.

Tony Blair et al where not socialists.

socialism of the sixties and seventies failed because of international trade changes, technological advances and huge UK trade deficits. the UK was the 'old man of Europe' its factories (state owned and private) where inefficient and lacked investment. The unions had become militant, yes, but the factories where places of heavy manufacturing, UK coal mining was dangerous work, everything was more labour intensive and more dangerous. working people where underpaid (more-so in the private sector) it was a bleak time.

Socialism wasn't to blame, but it sure as hell got the blame.
[quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: Another right-wing scumbag who wants to serve himself even further. What a complete non-entity. boy "mum... I want to be a Tory politician" the mum "where did I go so wrong!!" this conversational, political paradigm is enhanced if the acronym UKIP is substituted for word Tory. Imagine the logical instability that would arise from this conversational concept if the boy was not a boy but a grown man who had indeed been in receipt of some form of rudimentary political education while spending most of his time in elite institutional education, avoiding the unwanted and inappropriate attention of the prefect.[/p][/quote]Imagine a scenario where your credit card is declined in a shop due to lack of funds, here are the following left and right wing outcomes: Right Winger: Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined" Right Winger: "oh sorry, my fault, I've got no money" ...then walks out the shop, learns his/her lesson. Left Winger Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined" Left Winger: proceeds to smash up the shop, loot the place. Wave a banner displaying the shop owners are fascist nazi scum. Swings off the nearest WW1 memorial, smashes up some other shops, does a bit more looting, blames Thatcher for the world's woes, gets arrested. pleads "everything was taken out of context" and then joins the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]I believe in your antagonistic example you are describing the mentality of an anarchist, not a socialist. try this. The shop sells goods that are of or have a 'a common social value' the socialist government will nationalise the shop. fix the prices at an affordable level while allowing direct competition from other retailers. The right-wing conservative comes along, he vilifies the shop workers and makes claims that the shop is not viable (it is) he owns the other shops that are in direct competition to the state owned shop. eventually he strips the shop[ of all its assets and sells the shop for one tenth its actual value. the UKIP politician will do all the awful things the Tory politician did but he will simply add a thatched roof to the privatised shop.[/p][/quote]So nearly 50 years of failed post war consensus comes to nothing? So what happens when the workers in the state on shop demand higher wages? And then they don't get those wages their union calls a strike. The Socialist shop owner gives in and pays them higher wages resulting in higher prices for the goods within. Everyone then decides to go to the private shops where they know they can get the goods cheaper. The workers of the state owned shop carry on demanding higher wages, but because the products they supply are not in demand, due to higher prices, the Socialist shop owner declines their demands. So the shop workers go on strike again and so the Socialist shop owner gives in and gives them a payrise. By this time, the Socialist shop is suffering from rampant inflation so as a result, the Socialist shop owner decides to raise business rates and taxation for all the other private shops. As a result of that, the private shops raise their prices but point the finger of blame at the Socialist shop. Due to rising product prices in both socialist and private shops, customers then start demanding wage increases from their employers. Some get the increase but others don't, the Socialist shop owner stands back and does nothing. Now there is rampant inflation in the whole system and everyone wants more money to cover higher costs of living. The Socialist Shop owner addresses this by introducing a wage limit for his shop workers. The workers go on strike. To address the inflation situation overall, the Socialist shop owner introduces 90% taxation and raises interest rates, business rates and everything else to persuade people not to eat. Suddenly everyone goes on strike. A year later, the people vote in a right wing government who blows socialism out of the system. 18 years later, the people vote in a socialist government who reintroduces socialism back into the system. The party who was the Right Wing govt. shift to the left and carry on the socialist policies of the previous govt. All the shops are now propped up through Tax Credits and the capitalist shop owners are delighted that the govt. is now out of the shop business but is instead subsidising wages and providing cheap labour from Eastern Europe. Unfortunately, the countries overall government debt is over a trillion quid and know one knows when it's all going to come crashing down on us. Youth unemployment is at over 2 million, but hey...who cares?[/p][/quote]a few problems with your analysis "18 years later, the people vote in a socialist government who reintroduces socialism back into the system. The party who was the Right Wing govt. shift to the left and carry on the socialist policies of the previous govt." no the people didn't. they voted in 'new labour' this is considered by Tories and socialists as a bad move. the new labour movement was a failure. Tory Blair sent Isaiah Berlin a letter prior to coming to power. The letter asked if positive and negative liberty could exists in a single system. Berlin died before he could reply but he would have properly said "no you stupid fool" Tony Blair went ahead with this flawed government ideology which proved to be a financial and political disaster. Tony Blair et al where not socialists. socialism of the sixties and seventies failed because of international trade changes, technological advances and huge UK trade deficits. the UK was the 'old man of Europe' its factories (state owned and private) where inefficient and lacked investment. The unions had become militant, yes, but the factories where places of heavy manufacturing, UK coal mining was dangerous work, everything was more labour intensive and more dangerous. working people where underpaid (more-so in the private sector) it was a bleak time. Socialism wasn't to blame, but it sure as hell got the blame. jayman
  • Score: -1

9:35pm Thu 28 Aug 14

ThisYear says...

Eric the Red wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.
Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP.
Divvy!
[quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.[/p][/quote]Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP.[/p][/quote]Divvy! ThisYear
  • Score: 0

9:36pm Thu 28 Aug 14

jayman says...

jayman wrote:
drbeat wrote:
jayman wrote:
drbeat wrote:
jayman wrote:
Another right-wing scumbag who wants to serve himself even further. What a complete non-entity.

boy "mum... I want to be a Tory politician"

the mum "where did I go so wrong!!"

this conversational, political paradigm is enhanced if the acronym UKIP is substituted for word Tory.

Imagine the logical instability that would arise from this conversational concept if the boy was not a boy but a grown man who had indeed been in receipt of some form of rudimentary political education while spending most of his time in elite institutional education, avoiding the unwanted and inappropriate attention of the prefect.
Imagine a scenario where your credit card is declined in a shop due to lack of funds, here are the following left and right wing outcomes:

Right Winger:

Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined"
Right Winger: "oh sorry, my fault, I've got no money"
...then walks out the shop, learns his/her lesson.

Left Winger

Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined"
Left Winger: proceeds to smash up the shop, loot the place. Wave a banner displaying the shop owners are fascist nazi scum. Swings off the nearest WW1 memorial, smashes up some other shops, does a bit more looting, blames Thatcher for the world's woes, gets arrested. pleads "everything was taken out of context" and then joins the Labour Party.
I believe in your antagonistic example you are describing the mentality of an anarchist, not a socialist.

try this.

The shop sells goods that are of or have a 'a common social value' the socialist government will nationalise the shop. fix the prices at an affordable level while allowing direct competition from other retailers.

The right-wing conservative comes along, he vilifies the shop workers and makes claims that the shop is not viable (it is) he owns the other shops that are in direct competition to the state owned shop. eventually he strips the shop
So nearly 50 years of failed post war consensus comes to nothing?

So what happens when the workers in the state on shop demand higher wages? And then they don't get those wages their union calls a strike. The Socialist shop owner gives in and pays them higher wages resulting in higher prices for the goods within. Everyone then decides to go to the private shops where they know they can get the goods cheaper.

The workers of the state owned shop carry on demanding higher wages, but because the products they supply are not in demand, due to higher prices, the Socialist shop owner declines their demands. So the shop workers go on strike again and so the Socialist shop owner gives in and gives them a payrise.

By this time, the Socialist shop is suffering from rampant inflation so as a result, the Socialist shop owner decides to raise business rates and taxation for all the other private shops. As a result of that, the private shops raise their prices but point the finger of blame at the Socialist shop.

Due to rising product prices in both socialist and private shops, customers then start demanding wage increases from their employers. Some get the increase but others don't, the Socialist shop owner stands back and does nothing.

Now there is rampant inflation in the whole system and everyone wants more money to cover higher costs of living. The Socialist Shop owner addresses this by introducing a wage limit for his shop workers. The workers go on strike.

To address the inflation situation overall, the Socialist shop owner introduces 90% taxation and raises interest rates, business rates and everything else to persuade people not to eat. Suddenly everyone goes on strike.

A year later, the people vote in a right wing government who blows socialism out of the system. 18 years later, the people vote in a socialist government who reintroduces socialism back into the system. The party who was the Right Wing govt. shift to the left and carry on the socialist policies of the previous govt.

All the shops are now propped up through Tax Credits and the capitalist shop owners are delighted that the govt. is now out of the shop business but is instead subsidising wages and providing cheap labour from Eastern Europe.

Unfortunately, the countries overall government debt is over a trillion quid and know one knows when it's all going to come crashing down on us. Youth unemployment is at over 2 million, but hey...who cares?
a few problems with your analysis

"18 years later, the people vote in a socialist government who reintroduces socialism back into the system. The party who was the Right Wing govt. shift to the left and carry on the socialist policies of the previous govt."

no the people didn't. they voted in 'new labour' this is considered by Tories and socialists as a bad move. the new labour movement was a failure. Tory Blair sent Isaiah Berlin a letter prior to coming to power. The letter asked if positive and negative liberty could exists in a single system. Berlin died before he could reply but he would have properly said "no you stupid fool" Tony Blair went ahead with this flawed government ideology which proved to be a financial and political disaster.

Tony Blair et al where not socialists.

socialism of the sixties and seventies failed because of international trade changes, technological advances and huge UK trade deficits. the UK was the 'old man of Europe' its factories (state owned and private) where inefficient and lacked investment. The unions had become militant, yes, but the factories where places of heavy manufacturing, UK coal mining was dangerous work, everything was more labour intensive and more dangerous. working people where underpaid (more-so in the private sector) it was a bleak time.

Socialism wasn't to blame, but it sure as hell got the blame.
here's the letter sent by Tony Blair.

basically Tory and new labour are entities that wish to sc..w us over..

http://berlin.wolf.o
x.ac.uk/letterstober
lin.html
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: Another right-wing scumbag who wants to serve himself even further. What a complete non-entity. boy "mum... I want to be a Tory politician" the mum "where did I go so wrong!!" this conversational, political paradigm is enhanced if the acronym UKIP is substituted for word Tory. Imagine the logical instability that would arise from this conversational concept if the boy was not a boy but a grown man who had indeed been in receipt of some form of rudimentary political education while spending most of his time in elite institutional education, avoiding the unwanted and inappropriate attention of the prefect.[/p][/quote]Imagine a scenario where your credit card is declined in a shop due to lack of funds, here are the following left and right wing outcomes: Right Winger: Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined" Right Winger: "oh sorry, my fault, I've got no money" ...then walks out the shop, learns his/her lesson. Left Winger Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined" Left Winger: proceeds to smash up the shop, loot the place. Wave a banner displaying the shop owners are fascist nazi scum. Swings off the nearest WW1 memorial, smashes up some other shops, does a bit more looting, blames Thatcher for the world's woes, gets arrested. pleads "everything was taken out of context" and then joins the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]I believe in your antagonistic example you are describing the mentality of an anarchist, not a socialist. try this. The shop sells goods that are of or have a 'a common social value' the socialist government will nationalise the shop. fix the prices at an affordable level while allowing direct competition from other retailers. The right-wing conservative comes along, he vilifies the shop workers and makes claims that the shop is not viable (it is) he owns the other shops that are in direct competition to the state owned shop. eventually he strips the shop[ of all its assets and sells the shop for one tenth its actual value. the UKIP politician will do all the awful things the Tory politician did but he will simply add a thatched roof to the privatised shop.[/p][/quote]So nearly 50 years of failed post war consensus comes to nothing? So what happens when the workers in the state on shop demand higher wages? And then they don't get those wages their union calls a strike. The Socialist shop owner gives in and pays them higher wages resulting in higher prices for the goods within. Everyone then decides to go to the private shops where they know they can get the goods cheaper. The workers of the state owned shop carry on demanding higher wages, but because the products they supply are not in demand, due to higher prices, the Socialist shop owner declines their demands. So the shop workers go on strike again and so the Socialist shop owner gives in and gives them a payrise. By this time, the Socialist shop is suffering from rampant inflation so as a result, the Socialist shop owner decides to raise business rates and taxation for all the other private shops. As a result of that, the private shops raise their prices but point the finger of blame at the Socialist shop. Due to rising product prices in both socialist and private shops, customers then start demanding wage increases from their employers. Some get the increase but others don't, the Socialist shop owner stands back and does nothing. Now there is rampant inflation in the whole system and everyone wants more money to cover higher costs of living. The Socialist Shop owner addresses this by introducing a wage limit for his shop workers. The workers go on strike. To address the inflation situation overall, the Socialist shop owner introduces 90% taxation and raises interest rates, business rates and everything else to persuade people not to eat. Suddenly everyone goes on strike. A year later, the people vote in a right wing government who blows socialism out of the system. 18 years later, the people vote in a socialist government who reintroduces socialism back into the system. The party who was the Right Wing govt. shift to the left and carry on the socialist policies of the previous govt. All the shops are now propped up through Tax Credits and the capitalist shop owners are delighted that the govt. is now out of the shop business but is instead subsidising wages and providing cheap labour from Eastern Europe. Unfortunately, the countries overall government debt is over a trillion quid and know one knows when it's all going to come crashing down on us. Youth unemployment is at over 2 million, but hey...who cares?[/p][/quote]a few problems with your analysis "18 years later, the people vote in a socialist government who reintroduces socialism back into the system. The party who was the Right Wing govt. shift to the left and carry on the socialist policies of the previous govt." no the people didn't. they voted in 'new labour' this is considered by Tories and socialists as a bad move. the new labour movement was a failure. Tory Blair sent Isaiah Berlin a letter prior to coming to power. The letter asked if positive and negative liberty could exists in a single system. Berlin died before he could reply but he would have properly said "no you stupid fool" Tony Blair went ahead with this flawed government ideology which proved to be a financial and political disaster. Tony Blair et al where not socialists. socialism of the sixties and seventies failed because of international trade changes, technological advances and huge UK trade deficits. the UK was the 'old man of Europe' its factories (state owned and private) where inefficient and lacked investment. The unions had become militant, yes, but the factories where places of heavy manufacturing, UK coal mining was dangerous work, everything was more labour intensive and more dangerous. working people where underpaid (more-so in the private sector) it was a bleak time. Socialism wasn't to blame, but it sure as hell got the blame.[/p][/quote]here's the letter sent by Tony Blair. basically Tory and new labour are entities that wish to sc..w us over.. http://berlin.wolf.o x.ac.uk/letterstober lin.html jayman
  • Score: -6

10:04pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Reginald47 says...

drbeat wrote:
Reginald47 wrote:
drbeat wrote: Anyone get the feeling there is a heavy Lib-Dem, Tory and Labour presence in the comment voting and the poll above?
That's because there's a heavy Lib-Dem, Tory and Labour presence in Colchester and Tendring and hardly a peep of UKIP especially in Colchester where we are far too intelligent to waste a vote opn a party which would destroy British jobs as major conpanies relocate to Europe.
For a moment there I thought you were Nick Clegg? You remember him? The guy who Farage tore apart on the Europe debates? Thanks for spewing out those old chestnuts...can you do one on the 3 million jobs at stake?
There are no chestnuts here. I am merely repeating the publically expressed view of seven major international companies based in Britain that they will leave if Britain leaves the EU and set up somewhere else in Europe taking jobs with them.
[quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reginald47[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: Anyone get the feeling there is a heavy Lib-Dem, Tory and Labour presence in the comment voting and the poll above?[/p][/quote]That's because there's a heavy Lib-Dem, Tory and Labour presence in Colchester and Tendring and hardly a peep of UKIP especially in Colchester where we are far too intelligent to waste a vote opn a party which would destroy British jobs as major conpanies relocate to Europe.[/p][/quote]For a moment there I thought you were Nick Clegg? You remember him? The guy who Farage tore apart on the Europe debates? Thanks for spewing out those old chestnuts...can you do one on the 3 million jobs at stake?[/p][/quote]There are no chestnuts here. I am merely repeating the publically expressed view of seven major international companies based in Britain that they will leave if Britain leaves the EU and set up somewhere else in Europe taking jobs with them. Reginald47
  • Score: -2

10:13pm Thu 28 Aug 14

stevedawson says...

Ee douglas look what you've started lad.
Ee douglas look what you've started lad. stevedawson
  • Score: 2

11:21pm Thu 28 Aug 14

tudor55 says...

Hawthorne wrote:
DelA wrote:
I have always said that UKIP were another form of Tory, this proves it !!!!!
Yep...so much for the party that paints itself as a fresh new face of politics. A politician abanding his principles depending on how the wind may be blowing... yeah really gutsy.
nothing to do with the wind blowing. He knows right from wrong he knows more about the tory lies than me and you...
your just upset because you Tory's are going to get another bashing at the ballet box...
[quote][p][bold]Hawthorne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DelA[/bold] wrote: I have always said that UKIP were another form of Tory, this proves it !!!!![/p][/quote]Yep...so much for the party that paints itself as a fresh new face of politics. A politician abanding his principles depending on how the wind may be blowing... yeah really gutsy.[/p][/quote]nothing to do with the wind blowing. He knows right from wrong he knows more about the tory lies than me and you... your just upset because you Tory's are going to get another bashing at the ballet box... tudor55
  • Score: 0

11:35pm Thu 28 Aug 14

tudor55 says...

Montaigne wrote:
Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.
us backwater people mate are going to be the leaders in getting change in this country and begin the process of getting back all that the other political parties have given away to Europe...you are going to be amazed what us backwater people can do when the time comes....
[quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.[/p][/quote]us backwater people mate are going to be the leaders in getting change in this country and begin the process of getting back all that the other political parties have given away to Europe...you are going to be amazed what us backwater people can do when the time comes.... tudor55
  • Score: 1

11:41pm Thu 28 Aug 14

tudor55 says...

supermadmax wrote:
He said principles were more important than his personal political career.

Well clearly loyalty isint ...

Does he really think people are that dumb ? UKIP are a winning ticket, that's the only reason he is defecting, I think its great he is moving (many more will follow before the general) but one of the attractions of UKIP is that we do not yet associate them with weesle politicians like Carswell.
I think you will find that his loyalty is to the people of this country first not to some lying political party called the conservatives.
[quote][p][bold]supermadmax[/bold] wrote: He said principles were more important than his personal political career. Well clearly loyalty isint ... Does he really think people are that dumb ? UKIP are a winning ticket, that's the only reason he is defecting, I think its great he is moving (many more will follow before the general) but one of the attractions of UKIP is that we do not yet associate them with weesle politicians like Carswell.[/p][/quote]I think you will find that his loyalty is to the people of this country first not to some lying political party called the conservatives. tudor55
  • Score: 2

11:46pm Thu 28 Aug 14

tudor55 says...

AngryManNewTown wrote:
Nice to see the Lib Dems have got all their cronies to get on here to vote!! There is no way they would win an election in Clacton!!
I was at the euro count in the town all the libs got was 848 votes ukip got over 19,000 so the vote on this site is clearly a farce just like the libs.
[quote][p][bold]AngryManNewTown[/bold] wrote: Nice to see the Lib Dems have got all their cronies to get on here to vote!! There is no way they would win an election in Clacton!![/p][/quote]I was at the euro count in the town all the libs got was 848 votes ukip got over 19,000 so the vote on this site is clearly a farce just like the libs. tudor55
  • Score: 3

11:53pm Thu 28 Aug 14

tudor55 says...

Essexman10 wrote:
UKIP should worry fair-minded people. Bit of history. Hitler never called himself 'fascist'; he was 'National Socialist' because he knew 'socialism was popular in Germany in the early 1930's and he conned a portion of the electorate into believing he was 'socialist' but in a 'national' sense that he was for the 'ordinary' German who should 'blame the Jews' for their problems. Once elected (on a minority vote) his real aims come to pass, having 'eliminated' the opposition (socialist leaders, trade unionists, democrats etc.) first. And we all know what he did to the people he 'blamed'. Strange how UKIP 'expel' any member who blurts out racist and reactionary views that, no doubt' the vast majority of UKIP activists have. Their 'scapegoats' for ordinary peoples problems are immigrants. They want to appear 'reasonable' people and have, unfortunately' conned many people to vote for them. Their manifesto a few years ago was 'bonkers' and even Nigel Farage admitted that. He actually had the cheek to say (as leader of the party) that he had not read it. He may be jovial and appear an 'ok' man, but that is the danger of the man. Beware the 'Greeks'/'Romans'/'U

KIPers' bearing gifts. Given the type of activist UKIP attracts (and I do not count Careswell in this because I suspect that once he realises who he is associating with, his career MIGHT come second for once and he resigns), if ever they come into power, then beware the rest of us.
the comment of a very scared person who refuses to realise that the people of this country are fed up with being deceived and lied to. its insulting to compare the generating of today who's family fought against the Nazis of being Nazis,,,clearly you are just another traitor to this country..
when we get into power and its going to be sooner than later ukip will do the right thing unlike the other three parties..
[quote][p][bold]Essexman10[/bold] wrote: UKIP should worry fair-minded people. Bit of history. Hitler never called himself 'fascist'; he was 'National Socialist' because he knew 'socialism was popular in Germany in the early 1930's and he conned a portion of the electorate into believing he was 'socialist' but in a 'national' sense that he was for the 'ordinary' German who should 'blame the Jews' for their problems. Once elected (on a minority vote) his real aims come to pass, having 'eliminated' the opposition (socialist leaders, trade unionists, democrats etc.) first. And we all know what he did to the people he 'blamed'. Strange how UKIP 'expel' any member who blurts out racist and reactionary views that, no doubt' the vast majority of UKIP activists have. Their 'scapegoats' for ordinary peoples problems are immigrants. They want to appear 'reasonable' people and have, unfortunately' conned many people to vote for them. Their manifesto a few years ago was 'bonkers' and even Nigel Farage admitted that. He actually had the cheek to say (as leader of the party) that he had not read it. He may be jovial and appear an 'ok' man, but that is the danger of the man. Beware the 'Greeks'/'Romans'/'U KIPers' bearing gifts. Given the type of activist UKIP attracts (and I do not count Careswell in this because I suspect that once he realises who he is associating with, his career MIGHT come second for once and he resigns), if ever they come into power, then beware the rest of us.[/p][/quote]the comment of a very scared person who refuses to realise that the people of this country are fed up with being deceived and lied to. its insulting to compare the generating of today who's family fought against the Nazis of being Nazis,,,clearly you are just another traitor to this country.. when we get into power and its going to be sooner than later ukip will do the right thing unlike the other three parties.. tudor55
  • Score: 2

11:56pm Thu 28 Aug 14

tudor55 says...

Sensible Man wrote:
Clearly the main thing here is that all the UK-hating lefties must be totally rejected in this election. One would assume - surely - that absolutely no-one would be daft enough to vote Lib Dem anymore. (I think we can totally disregard the silly vote on this article!!!!).Labour - it must be agreed - are totally useless - so we are left with the Conservatives and UKIP. Well -the Conservatives have been totally useless useless useless hopeless hypocrites in controlling immigration (speak tough but do NOTHING) so clearly all correctly-thinking people MUST vote UKIP. No argument really - eh? By the way - what did all those disgusting Labour people do during those horrendous events in Rotheram?? NOTHING!!!! Remember that on election day.
well said ...couldn't agree more...
[quote][p][bold]Sensible Man[/bold] wrote: Clearly the main thing here is that all the UK-hating lefties must be totally rejected in this election. One would assume - surely - that absolutely no-one would be daft enough to vote Lib Dem anymore. (I think we can totally disregard the silly vote on this article!!!!).Labour - it must be agreed - are totally useless - so we are left with the Conservatives and UKIP. Well -the Conservatives have been totally useless useless useless hopeless hypocrites in controlling immigration (speak tough but do NOTHING) so clearly all correctly-thinking people MUST vote UKIP. No argument really - eh? By the way - what did all those disgusting Labour people do during those horrendous events in Rotheram?? NOTHING!!!! Remember that on election day.[/p][/quote]well said ...couldn't agree more... tudor55
  • Score: 1

12:05am Fri 29 Aug 14

tudor55 says...

Dave Bruce wrote:
In actual fact the German people never voted for Adolf Hitler. The National Socialist Party only obtained just over 37% of the vote in the German Parliament elections (the Reichstag) in 1932, yet that was enough to make it the controlling political party in Germany. In 1933, Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor and he used (or abused) this position to gain total power over the German people, which occurred in August 1934 upon the death of the then German President Paul von Hindenburg. The rest is history.
I'm loving the history lesson..so why we are now on history lets not forget what bodica did to take back her country and that all began in this county. And in a town no less than 15 miles away...
and that's just what UKIP are going to do start the peoples revolution using the ballet box.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Bruce[/bold] wrote: In actual fact the German people never voted for Adolf Hitler. The National Socialist Party only obtained just over 37% of the vote in the German Parliament elections (the Reichstag) in 1932, yet that was enough to make it the controlling political party in Germany. In 1933, Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor and he used (or abused) this position to gain total power over the German people, which occurred in August 1934 upon the death of the then German President Paul von Hindenburg. The rest is history.[/p][/quote]I'm loving the history lesson..so why we are now on history lets not forget what bodica did to take back her country and that all began in this county. And in a town no less than 15 miles away... and that's just what UKIP are going to do start the peoples revolution using the ballet box. tudor55
  • Score: 2

12:33am Fri 29 Aug 14

Angry of Lexden says...

tudor55 wrote:
Dave Bruce wrote:
In actual fact the German people never voted for Adolf Hitler. The National Socialist Party only obtained just over 37% of the vote in the German Parliament elections (the Reichstag) in 1932, yet that was enough to make it the controlling political party in Germany. In 1933, Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor and he used (or abused) this position to gain total power over the German people, which occurred in August 1934 upon the death of the then German President Paul von Hindenburg. The rest is history.
I'm loving the history lesson..so why we are now on history lets not forget what bodica did to take back her country and that all began in this county. And in a town no less than 15 miles away...
and that's just what UKIP are going to do start the peoples revolution using the ballet box.
Made it! My first 100. Oh and I suppose I'd better comment... yep that's it Carswell is a self serving parasite. And the only reason he made con mp for Clacton is that the majority there haven't a clue, and simply don't vote - leaving the minority cons in charge. Which is absolutely right, after all we wouldn't want the lower orders waking up!
[quote][p][bold]tudor55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Bruce[/bold] wrote: In actual fact the German people never voted for Adolf Hitler. The National Socialist Party only obtained just over 37% of the vote in the German Parliament elections (the Reichstag) in 1932, yet that was enough to make it the controlling political party in Germany. In 1933, Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor and he used (or abused) this position to gain total power over the German people, which occurred in August 1934 upon the death of the then German President Paul von Hindenburg. The rest is history.[/p][/quote]I'm loving the history lesson..so why we are now on history lets not forget what bodica did to take back her country and that all began in this county. And in a town no less than 15 miles away... and that's just what UKIP are going to do start the peoples revolution using the ballet box.[/p][/quote]Made it! My first 100. Oh and I suppose I'd better comment... yep that's it Carswell is a self serving parasite. And the only reason he made con mp for Clacton is that the majority there haven't a clue, and simply don't vote - leaving the minority cons in charge. Which is absolutely right, after all we wouldn't want the lower orders waking up! Angry of Lexden
  • Score: -2

12:38am Fri 29 Aug 14

Essexman10 says...

tudor55 wrote:
Essexman10 wrote:
UKIP should worry fair-minded people. Bit of history. Hitler never called himself 'fascist'; he was 'National Socialist' because he knew 'socialism was popular in Germany in the early 1930's and he conned a portion of the electorate into believing he was 'socialist' but in a 'national' sense that he was for the 'ordinary' German who should 'blame the Jews' for their problems. Once elected (on a minority vote) his real aims come to pass, having 'eliminated' the opposition (socialist leaders, trade unionists, democrats etc.) first. And we all know what he did to the people he 'blamed'. Strange how UKIP 'expel' any member who blurts out racist and reactionary views that, no doubt' the vast majority of UKIP activists have. Their 'scapegoats' for ordinary peoples problems are immigrants. They want to appear 'reasonable' people and have, unfortunately' conned many people to vote for them. Their manifesto a few years ago was 'bonkers' and even Nigel Farage admitted that. He actually had the cheek to say (as leader of the party) that he had not read it. He may be jovial and appear an 'ok' man, but that is the danger of the man. Beware the 'Greeks'/'Romans'/'U


KIPers' bearing gifts. Given the type of activist UKIP attracts (and I do not count Careswell in this because I suspect that once he realises who he is associating with, his career MIGHT come second for once and he resigns), if ever they come into power, then beware the rest of us.
the comment of a very scared person who refuses to realise that the people of this country are fed up with being deceived and lied to. its insulting to compare the generating of today who's family fought against the Nazis of being Nazis,,,clearly you are just another traitor to this country..
when we get into power and its going to be sooner than later ukip will do the right thing unlike the other three parties..
Interesting you should call someone who is concerned at the real motives of many of the UKIP activists as "just another traitor to this country" and then finish by saying "when we get into power..... we will do the right thing". And what will that be to people you regard as 'traitors'? Yes. people should be concerned at the real motives of UKIP activists.
[quote][p][bold]tudor55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Essexman10[/bold] wrote: UKIP should worry fair-minded people. Bit of history. Hitler never called himself 'fascist'; he was 'National Socialist' because he knew 'socialism was popular in Germany in the early 1930's and he conned a portion of the electorate into believing he was 'socialist' but in a 'national' sense that he was for the 'ordinary' German who should 'blame the Jews' for their problems. Once elected (on a minority vote) his real aims come to pass, having 'eliminated' the opposition (socialist leaders, trade unionists, democrats etc.) first. And we all know what he did to the people he 'blamed'. Strange how UKIP 'expel' any member who blurts out racist and reactionary views that, no doubt' the vast majority of UKIP activists have. Their 'scapegoats' for ordinary peoples problems are immigrants. They want to appear 'reasonable' people and have, unfortunately' conned many people to vote for them. Their manifesto a few years ago was 'bonkers' and even Nigel Farage admitted that. He actually had the cheek to say (as leader of the party) that he had not read it. He may be jovial and appear an 'ok' man, but that is the danger of the man. Beware the 'Greeks'/'Romans'/'U KIPers' bearing gifts. Given the type of activist UKIP attracts (and I do not count Careswell in this because I suspect that once he realises who he is associating with, his career MIGHT come second for once and he resigns), if ever they come into power, then beware the rest of us.[/p][/quote]the comment of a very scared person who refuses to realise that the people of this country are fed up with being deceived and lied to. its insulting to compare the generating of today who's family fought against the Nazis of being Nazis,,,clearly you are just another traitor to this country.. when we get into power and its going to be sooner than later ukip will do the right thing unlike the other three parties..[/p][/quote]Interesting you should call someone who is concerned at the real motives of many of the UKIP activists as "just another traitor to this country" and then finish by saying "when we get into power..... we will do the right thing". And what will that be to people you regard as 'traitors'? Yes. people should be concerned at the real motives of UKIP activists. Essexman10
  • Score: 0

2:11am Fri 29 Aug 14

ORACUS says...

The eastern European invasion must be stopped and the traitors that allowed it to happen must be hounded from power.
Its simply not possible to have an unlimited population it is contrary to the basic rules of economics.
The eastern European invasion must be stopped and the traitors that allowed it to happen must be hounded from power. Its simply not possible to have an unlimited population it is contrary to the basic rules of economics. ORACUS
  • Score: 10

9:23am Fri 29 Aug 14

Kim Gandy says...

The usual mishmash of oddball ideas above.Most of them the rabid howling pack of leftwing hounds who just cannot accept that they were trounced on May 22nd and face total annihilation next May.

Let me make it clear. I was a member of UKIP and contrary to what the idiots on here will tell you, I let my membership lapse because I didn't like the infiltration of the far left fascist group oddly and hypocritically named Unite Against Fascism, into the party.

Far from being far right, UKIP is bending to the left, at the core, however, there are still some decent people locally that keep to the original idea of the party. With three exceptions in Wickford, the ones elected in Basildon are the salt of the earth and are already making a huge difference.

And to the person who pointed out above that Hitler was a Socialist Worker then goes on to slate UKIP.. yes HITLER WAS A MEMBER OF THE SOCIALIST WORKERS' PARTY so how in hell can that have anything to do with UKIP being supposedly "far right"? Hitler wasn't far right, he was far left.. The Left are the biggest fascists going. Take the Basildon Labour group. You can believe anything you like as long as it concurs with their beliefs, otherwise you get labelled with an "ism".

I've been in UKIP, campaigned for it, stood for parliament and locally for it, met Farage and other senior figures and was even Frank (now Kellie) Maloney's election agent on election day 2010) and left because of the infiltration of far left nutters after the 2010 general election. A

And some of the UKIP youth movement, Young Independence have some weird ideas about libertarianism. Some of which I cannot repeat on here. I reported them to UKIP's UAF party chairman Steve Crowther but he ignored the screencaps I sent him of some disgusting posts that were put on Tw@tter and farcebook. And I mean DISGUSTING..I cannot even mention the subject mooatter but I still have the screencaps. And it wasnt racist. Just obscene.

This is why I was hounded on there, my page hacked and cloned and spurious nonsense, rubbish and libellous comments, to mention sheer nastiness plastered all over the internet and which is regularly regurgitated on here by the resident leftie loons who also obviously believe the moon is made of cheese.

The most frightening politics in this country are those of Labour.

You need only read up on what happened at Rotherham to realise that the last thing Basildon - or anywhere for that matter - needs is another loony Labour administration.

FACT: It was a LABOUR ADMINISTRATION that allowed the horrible and disgusting atrocities at Rotherham to happen over several years and STILL nobody has paid the price for that. Would you like people like that in charge at the Bas Centre? There is even a website highlighting the number of these kinds of incidents countrywide that Labour have chosen to ignore or overlook.

UKIP's nutters are all far left fascists like Hitler, NOT far right.I do wish folk would get their facts right. They have been planted in order to destroy the party from within. Think about it, UKIP are enjoying huge popularity and the lefties cannot stand that..so how better to destroy it than from within. Oh and check out the UAF website and see who their founder signatories are. David Cameron is one and several other cross party notables.

THIS IS WHY I DETEST PARTY POLITICS AND WON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. It's vile, dirty and corrupt and the decent people, even people within Labour like Kate Hoey who is a good woman, are tarnished by it and should not be - as outstanding politicians are the ones we want.

Why do you think ALL parties, including UKIP, keep their best active politicians hidden. UKIP's best result this year was Basildon but do you see mainstream UKIP trumpeting it? No you don't. It is largely left to this group to get on with it themselves with very little help from the main party - or you would be seeing Basildon UKIP all over the place including nationally. Everything the Basildon group have achieved they have achieved alone by years of sheer hard work and effort.

I've been there, seen it and heard it with my own eyes and ears so I know better than any of you who just comment based on what you read in the loony left press.

I repeat, UKIP is NOT far right. Farage is a good orator but does not listen to the foot soldiers.

However, I would still vote UKIP in Basildon, NOT Wickford or Rayleigh/Rochford or Southend where the UKIP misogynist lefties reign supreme.

So if you cannot see once and for all, that I do NOT support party politics, only individuals within them, as long as it keeps out the Labour menace, you need to open your eyes a bit wider.
The usual mishmash of oddball ideas above.Most of them the rabid howling pack of leftwing hounds who just cannot accept that they were trounced on May 22nd and face total annihilation next May. Let me make it clear. I was a member of UKIP and contrary to what the idiots on here will tell you, I let my membership lapse because I didn't like the infiltration of the far left fascist group oddly and hypocritically named Unite Against Fascism, into the party. Far from being far right, UKIP is bending to the left, at the core, however, there are still some decent people locally that keep to the original idea of the party. With three exceptions in Wickford, the ones elected in Basildon are the salt of the earth and are already making a huge difference. And to the person who pointed out above that Hitler was a Socialist Worker then goes on to slate UKIP.. yes HITLER WAS A MEMBER OF THE SOCIALIST WORKERS' PARTY so how in hell can that have anything to do with UKIP being supposedly "far right"? Hitler wasn't far right, he was far left.. The Left are the biggest fascists going. Take the Basildon Labour group. You can believe anything you like as long as it concurs with their beliefs, otherwise you get labelled with an "ism". I've been in UKIP, campaigned for it, stood for parliament and locally for it, met Farage and other senior figures and was even Frank (now Kellie) Maloney's election agent on election day 2010) and left because of the infiltration of far left nutters after the 2010 general election. A And some of the UKIP youth movement, Young Independence have some weird ideas about libertarianism. Some of which I cannot repeat on here. I reported them to UKIP's UAF party chairman Steve Crowther but he ignored the screencaps I sent him of some disgusting posts that were put on Tw@tter and farcebook. And I mean DISGUSTING..I cannot even mention the subject mooatter but I still have the screencaps. And it wasnt racist. Just obscene. This is why I was hounded on there, my page hacked and cloned and spurious nonsense, rubbish and libellous comments, to mention sheer nastiness plastered all over the internet and which is regularly regurgitated on here by the resident leftie loons who also obviously believe the moon is made of cheese. The most frightening politics in this country are those of Labour. You need only read up on what happened at Rotherham to realise that the last thing Basildon - or anywhere for that matter - needs is another loony Labour administration. FACT: It was a LABOUR ADMINISTRATION that allowed the horrible and disgusting atrocities at Rotherham to happen over several years and STILL nobody has paid the price for that. Would you like people like that in charge at the Bas Centre? There is even a website highlighting the number of these kinds of incidents countrywide that Labour have chosen to ignore or overlook. UKIP's nutters are all far left fascists like Hitler, NOT far right.I do wish folk would get their facts right. They have been planted in order to destroy the party from within. Think about it, UKIP are enjoying huge popularity and the lefties cannot stand that..so how better to destroy it than from within. Oh and check out the UAF website and see who their founder signatories are. David Cameron is one and several other cross party notables. THIS IS WHY I DETEST PARTY POLITICS AND WON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. It's vile, dirty and corrupt and the decent people, even people within Labour like Kate Hoey who is a good woman, are tarnished by it and should not be - as outstanding politicians are the ones we want. Why do you think ALL parties, including UKIP, keep their best active politicians hidden. UKIP's best result this year was Basildon but do you see mainstream UKIP trumpeting it? No you don't. It is largely left to this group to get on with it themselves with very little help from the main party - or you would be seeing Basildon UKIP all over the place including nationally. Everything the Basildon group have achieved they have achieved alone by years of sheer hard work and effort. I've been there, seen it and heard it with my own eyes and ears so I know better than any of you who just comment based on what you read in the loony left press. I repeat, UKIP is NOT far right. Farage is a good orator but does not listen to the foot soldiers. However, I would still vote UKIP in Basildon, NOT Wickford or Rayleigh/Rochford or Southend where the UKIP misogynist lefties reign supreme. So if you cannot see once and for all, that I do NOT support party politics, only individuals within them, as long as it keeps out the Labour menace, you need to open your eyes a bit wider. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -3

9:29am Fri 29 Aug 14

Kim Gandy says...

just one thing more... look at the poll above. Labour on 9 percent - unless they get rent a mob in to come and redress the balance. UKIP out front. Labour rating only just above "other".

Doesn't that speak volumes? These are people who probably aren't even commenting on here too.

When are you lefties going to accept you are on your way out. Your reign of terror is ended, people have had enough and no amount of cutting hedges and picking up rubbish in Beambridge whilst posturing in front of the Echo's cameras, or upsetting the local cabbies by posing in a taxi cab with your mugshot on the side and giving lifts to locals, is going to change that.

People are on to you.They don't want gimmicks. They've had enough and you are a spent force.
just one thing more... look at the poll above. Labour on 9 percent - unless they get rent a mob in to come and redress the balance. UKIP out front. Labour rating only just above "other". Doesn't that speak volumes? These are people who probably aren't even commenting on here too. When are you lefties going to accept you are on your way out. Your reign of terror is ended, people have had enough and no amount of cutting hedges and picking up rubbish in Beambridge whilst posturing in front of the Echo's cameras, or upsetting the local cabbies by posing in a taxi cab with your mugshot on the side and giving lifts to locals, is going to change that. People are on to you.They don't want gimmicks. They've had enough and you are a spent force. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -1

9:32am Fri 29 Aug 14

Kim Gandy says...

sesibollox wrote:
And here is an active debate without GANDY.....
sorted moron.

I ask again. Are you the UKIP councillor Alan Ball. Folks, this idiot owned up to being called Alan Ball the other day whilst threatening to tie me to a tree. A comment I have passed on to the police and which is now covered by a crime number for future reference.

And I have said my piece above.

I was late to this post only because I had better things to do unlike you. A common layabout.

I see some lefties thumbed you up - or was that your alter egos?
[quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: And here is an active debate without GANDY.....[/p][/quote]sorted moron. I ask again. Are you the UKIP councillor Alan Ball. Folks, this idiot owned up to being called Alan Ball the other day whilst threatening to tie me to a tree. A comment I have passed on to the police and which is now covered by a crime number for future reference. And I have said my piece above. I was late to this post only because I had better things to do unlike you. A common layabout. I see some lefties thumbed you up - or was that your alter egos? Kim Gandy
  • Score: -1

9:37am Fri 29 Aug 14

Kim Gandy says...

Montaigne wrote:
DAGASMAN wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.
How anybody can say that about a party that has done so well in local & euro elections is beyond me, your denial renders your comment not even worth the keystrokes. It made the headlines because a large percentage of people vote or are planning to vote UKIP however much that might anger you as a clear leftie
Sorry Dagasman but it just shows that a large proportion of the British electorate are morons and Little Englanders. How any one can consider themselves fit to vote and then waste it by voting for a load of Morons in UKIP beggars belief. Just as Marcus Brigstock said two weeks ago "UKIP need to keep quiet whilst the adults are speaking"

Finally whilst I would consider myself with pride to be a socialist at least we reason and think things through before opening our mouths unlike many UKIP morons.
And that is just the sort of comment that guarantees you loonytunes another trouncing next year.

Socialist my @rse.. you're a champagne Socialist looking down your nose at those who do not share your views. Typical smug leftie.

Get all these ideas of superiority out of your head. You are nothing and your opinions represent a deranged minority. YOU need to shut up while your betters take the stage. You were booed off it big style on 22nd May.

Read my earlier comments and weep. You and your ilk are history. The rest of us RIGHT thinking people have had enough of you.

But carry on because you are GUARANTEEING Labour will not win a sausage in the next election. Keep up the good work.

I just love useful idiots.
[quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DAGASMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.[/p][/quote]How anybody can say that about a party that has done so well in local & euro elections is beyond me, your denial renders your comment not even worth the keystrokes. It made the headlines because a large percentage of people vote or are planning to vote UKIP however much that might anger you as a clear leftie[/p][/quote]Sorry Dagasman but it just shows that a large proportion of the British electorate are morons and Little Englanders. How any one can consider themselves fit to vote and then waste it by voting for a load of Morons in UKIP beggars belief. Just as Marcus Brigstock said two weeks ago "UKIP need to keep quiet whilst the adults are speaking" Finally whilst I would consider myself with pride to be a socialist at least we reason and think things through before opening our mouths unlike many UKIP morons.[/p][/quote]And that is just the sort of comment that guarantees you loonytunes another trouncing next year. Socialist my @rse.. you're a champagne Socialist looking down your nose at those who do not share your views. Typical smug leftie. Get all these ideas of superiority out of your head. You are nothing and your opinions represent a deranged minority. YOU need to shut up while your betters take the stage. You were booed off it big style on 22nd May. Read my earlier comments and weep. You and your ilk are history. The rest of us RIGHT thinking people have had enough of you. But carry on because you are GUARANTEEING Labour will not win a sausage in the next election. Keep up the good work. I just love useful idiots. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -1

9:41am Fri 29 Aug 14

Kim Gandy says...

Montaigne wrote:
Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.
Read my comments above CAREFULLY AND IN DEPTH moron and you will see that the "silly" people and "morons" within UKIP are people like yourself. UAF leftwing scruffs. The DECENT people within UKIP however, are VERY visible around Basildon, especially to their constituents.

I bet you've never stood for election or campaigned or been an elected politician in your life. I've done all three so pipe down, sit down and shut up.

Look at the poll - and the response to your posts - then get back in your padded cell and await your next dose.

I suggest you get matron to change your prescription.
[quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.[/p][/quote]Read my comments above CAREFULLY AND IN DEPTH moron and you will see that the "silly" people and "morons" within UKIP are people like yourself. UAF leftwing scruffs. The DECENT people within UKIP however, are VERY visible around Basildon, especially to their constituents. I bet you've never stood for election or campaigned or been an elected politician in your life. I've done all three so pipe down, sit down and shut up. Look at the poll - and the response to your posts - then get back in your padded cell and await your next dose. I suggest you get matron to change your prescription. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -1

9:44am Fri 29 Aug 14

Kim Gandy says...

drbeat wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
DAGASMAN wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.
How anybody can say that about a party that has done so well in local & euro elections is beyond me, your denial renders your comment not even worth the keystrokes. It made the headlines because a large percentage of people vote or are planning to vote UKIP however much that might anger you as a clear leftie
Sorry Dagasman but it just shows that a large proportion of the British electorate are morons and Little Englanders. How any one can consider themselves fit to vote and then waste it by voting for a load of Morons in UKIP beggars belief. Just as Marcus Brigstock said two weeks ago "UKIP need to keep quiet whilst the adults are speaking"

Finally whilst I would consider myself with pride to be a socialist at least we reason and think things through before opening our mouths unlike many UKIP morons.
Unfortunately, you have destroyed your own pride by getting on the keyboard without thinking before typing. Socialism has killed this country. How is it that we have to go to the China (a Communist country) and beg for investment? The answer is because proud socialists like you have reduced us to a Socialist Utopia where eternal debt is the answer to all our problems.

We have massive youth unemployment, yet socialists like yourself are all in favour of allowing Eastern Europeans to take up jobs here which should be filled by our own unemployed youth? Do our people go to Eastern Europe and take up jobs there? No! Why is this a one way traffic system to the UK? Because socialists like you hate the UK and you want to see it destroyed through the redistribution of debt and the redistribution of the misery. You cannot stomach the fact there are bright people out there who work their bums off to make good money, you socialists have a pathological hatred towards people who do well.

And to placate the unemployed youth, your answer - as a proud socialist - is to just borrow more money to throw benefits at the youth. Or to encourage them so have more kids to get their 'tax credits'.

How you can admit you're a socialist is beyond me. It's like admitting you're a Nazi.
Well said that man!

After all, as I said, what was Hitler... yes that's right, a SOCIALIST WORKER who conspired with Islam to destroy the Jews.

Look up "Hitler and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem"
[quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DAGASMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.[/p][/quote]How anybody can say that about a party that has done so well in local & euro elections is beyond me, your denial renders your comment not even worth the keystrokes. It made the headlines because a large percentage of people vote or are planning to vote UKIP however much that might anger you as a clear leftie[/p][/quote]Sorry Dagasman but it just shows that a large proportion of the British electorate are morons and Little Englanders. How any one can consider themselves fit to vote and then waste it by voting for a load of Morons in UKIP beggars belief. Just as Marcus Brigstock said two weeks ago "UKIP need to keep quiet whilst the adults are speaking" Finally whilst I would consider myself with pride to be a socialist at least we reason and think things through before opening our mouths unlike many UKIP morons.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately, you have destroyed your own pride by getting on the keyboard without thinking before typing. Socialism has killed this country. How is it that we have to go to the China (a Communist country) and beg for investment? The answer is because proud socialists like you have reduced us to a Socialist Utopia where eternal debt is the answer to all our problems. We have massive youth unemployment, yet socialists like yourself are all in favour of allowing Eastern Europeans to take up jobs here which should be filled by our own unemployed youth? Do our people go to Eastern Europe and take up jobs there? No! Why is this a one way traffic system to the UK? Because socialists like you hate the UK and you want to see it destroyed through the redistribution of debt and the redistribution of the misery. You cannot stomach the fact there are bright people out there who work their bums off to make good money, you socialists have a pathological hatred towards people who do well. And to placate the unemployed youth, your answer - as a proud socialist - is to just borrow more money to throw benefits at the youth. Or to encourage them so have more kids to get their 'tax credits'. How you can admit you're a socialist is beyond me. It's like admitting you're a Nazi.[/p][/quote]Well said that man! After all, as I said, what was Hitler... yes that's right, a SOCIALIST WORKER who conspired with Islam to destroy the Jews. Look up "Hitler and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem" Kim Gandy
  • Score: -1

9:52am Fri 29 Aug 14

Kim Gandy says...

Alekhine wrote:
Ronaldo Marteen wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
Labour is the party of top down control and Labour is the party best at telling folks to shut up. Alternatively, just bring up Hitler on any string you don't like.
Hardly unique to any one party is it? Not sure that Thatcher was that hot on listening to the alternative view.
Yes, that is why I said best and not only. -But I was thinking of the much more recent events in Rotherham where the culture of shut up and fear of losing their jobs kept police and social workers quiet.
Those who thumbed down this comment - paedophile supporters. I wonder how many of you will put your names below and justifications for thumbing down this comment. No? Thought not.
[quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronaldo Marteen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: Labour is the party of top down control and Labour is the party best at telling folks to shut up. Alternatively, just bring up Hitler on any string you don't like.[/p][/quote]Hardly unique to any one party is it? Not sure that Thatcher was that hot on listening to the alternative view.[/p][/quote]Yes, that is why I said best and not only. -But I was thinking of the much more recent events in Rotherham where the culture of shut up and fear of losing their jobs kept police and social workers quiet.[/p][/quote]Those who thumbed down this comment - paedophile supporters. I wonder how many of you will put your names below and justifications for thumbing down this comment. No? Thought not. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -1

9:54am Fri 29 Aug 14

Kim Gandy says...

Montaigne wrote:
Sadly I just see a load of right wing morons on this site reinforcing the image of stupid Essex man. We cannot exist without the EU.
And I see a raving left wing fascist moron with FAR too much to say.

What a snob...

and coming from a vile soap dodging leftie it's a bit rich isn't it?

Pipe down pipsqueak.
[quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Sadly I just see a load of right wing morons on this site reinforcing the image of stupid Essex man. We cannot exist without the EU.[/p][/quote]And I see a raving left wing fascist moron with FAR too much to say. What a snob... and coming from a vile soap dodging leftie it's a bit rich isn't it? Pipe down pipsqueak. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -2

10:03am Fri 29 Aug 14

Kim Gandy says...

Montaigne wrote:
drbeat wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
drbeat wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.
Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP.
Eric, The fact UKIP won the Euro Elections is also completely lost on the person you've replied to.

You see, I'm not 'allowed' to make assumptions, but anti-UKIP folk are allowed to call us morons and assume that we're not in touch with 'sensible people'. Nazis, supporters of the gas chambers etc. is all fair play too.

Whatever next eh? Genghis Khan?
What a prat you are try thinking for once. we are in danger of emulating the Nazis.
LOL...typical lefty. The use over the top statements and alarm-ism to get across totally baseless arguments is all the signs of lefty desperation. Just like Alistair Campbell's dodgy dossier and the '45 minute' claim.

Prey tell how we're about to emulate the Nazis. I need to get the popcorn sorted, so give me about 5 minutes.
Your already doing so. Wise up chummy and see this nasty group for waht they are. EVIL.
Pot and kettle methinks. Evil? What you mean like letting children be abused, raped, doused with petrol and trafficked around the country whilst keeping quiet in case it upset the Pakistani community?

Like arresting a 12 year old girl for being drunk rather than those who had got her drunk in order to rape her?

You are totally and utterly repulsive. You ACTIVELY support this kind of behaviour by even admitting to being a Socialist because this is what modern "Socialists" do isn't it? Defend the indefensible.

Just shut up you disgusting cretin..
[quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.[/p][/quote]Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP.[/p][/quote]Eric, The fact UKIP won the Euro Elections is also completely lost on the person you've replied to. You see, I'm not 'allowed' to make assumptions, but anti-UKIP folk are allowed to call us morons and assume that we're not in touch with 'sensible people'. Nazis, supporters of the gas chambers etc. is all fair play too. Whatever next eh? Genghis Khan?[/p][/quote]What a prat you are try thinking for once. we are in danger of emulating the Nazis.[/p][/quote]LOL...typical lefty. The use over the top statements and alarm-ism to get across totally baseless arguments is all the signs of lefty desperation. Just like Alistair Campbell's dodgy dossier and the '45 minute' claim. Prey tell how we're about to emulate the Nazis. I need to get the popcorn sorted, so give me about 5 minutes.[/p][/quote]Your already doing so. Wise up chummy and see this nasty group for waht they are. EVIL.[/p][/quote]Pot and kettle methinks. Evil? What you mean like letting children be abused, raped, doused with petrol and trafficked around the country whilst keeping quiet in case it upset the Pakistani community? Like arresting a 12 year old girl for being drunk rather than those who had got her drunk in order to rape her? You are totally and utterly repulsive. You ACTIVELY support this kind of behaviour by even admitting to being a Socialist because this is what modern "Socialists" do isn't it? Defend the indefensible. Just shut up you disgusting cretin.. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 0

10:17am Fri 29 Aug 14

Essexman10 says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
Ronaldo Marteen wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
Labour is the party of top down control and Labour is the party best at telling folks to shut up. Alternatively, just bring up Hitler on any string you don't like.
Hardly unique to any one party is it? Not sure that Thatcher was that hot on listening to the alternative view.
Yes, that is why I said best and not only. -But I was thinking of the much more recent events in Rotherham where the culture of shut up and fear of losing their jobs kept police and social workers quiet.
Those who thumbed down this comment - paedophile supporters. I wonder how many of you will put your names below and justifications for thumbing down this comment. No? Thought not.
I think the rantings of this 'Kim Gandy', who claims to have previously been a UKIP candidate, and calls all people he/she disagrees with, including Hitler, 'left' adequately explains why Carswell should be careful who he is now associating himself with.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronaldo Marteen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: Labour is the party of top down control and Labour is the party best at telling folks to shut up. Alternatively, just bring up Hitler on any string you don't like.[/p][/quote]Hardly unique to any one party is it? Not sure that Thatcher was that hot on listening to the alternative view.[/p][/quote]Yes, that is why I said best and not only. -But I was thinking of the much more recent events in Rotherham where the culture of shut up and fear of losing their jobs kept police and social workers quiet.[/p][/quote]Those who thumbed down this comment - paedophile supporters. I wonder how many of you will put your names below and justifications for thumbing down this comment. No? Thought not.[/p][/quote]I think the rantings of this 'Kim Gandy', who claims to have previously been a UKIP candidate, and calls all people he/she disagrees with, including Hitler, 'left' adequately explains why Carswell should be careful who he is now associating himself with. Essexman10
  • Score: 2

10:21am Fri 29 Aug 14

Scoot says...

Firstly everyone should congratulate Mr Carswell for having the guts to resign his seat and (subject to Roger Lords gripes) stand again. How many of those sitting in Westminster would actually have the guts to do that ? Very very few because the majority would want to sap every last drop of salary and expenses they can get until the next general election.
Those who think we should stay in the EU should really check it out. Both business and governance of Europe are so corrupt that they make a dodgy claim for expenses by an MP look like a cub scout pulling a face at Akela.
So who will I vote for ? A bunch of propagandists who said 'things could only get better' and then went on to let the bankers have a free reign and left ministries with about as much in their coffers as mother Hubbard found in her cupboard. Or should I vote for the Bullingham Club aka the cabinet whose members have about as much idea of the real world as Mickey Mouse and if asked about Brooklands Estate probably think you are referring to some earls land rather than a part of Jaywick. Or should I vote for a bunch of no-hopers who spit their dummy out when their coalition partners need support in a vital vote that could affect the whole country because they couldn't get their way over the reformation of the house of Lords.
So knowing about all the corruption in business in Europe as well as those in Brussels and disagreeing that a foreign Criminal should be allowed to stay in this country because he has the right to family life rather than being packed off to whence he came (what about the victims family rights one wonders) and an open door to the residents of member states whilst many from countries that were part of the 'empire' and whose forefathers fought alongside us in many conflicts are refused entry, I know who I will vote for.
Firstly everyone should congratulate Mr Carswell for having the guts to resign his seat and (subject to Roger Lords gripes) stand again. How many of those sitting in Westminster would actually have the guts to do that ? Very very few because the majority would want to sap every last drop of salary and expenses they can get until the next general election. Those who think we should stay in the EU should really check it out. Both business and governance of Europe are so corrupt that they make a dodgy claim for expenses by an MP look like a cub scout pulling a face at Akela. So who will I vote for ? A bunch of propagandists who said 'things could only get better' and then went on to let the bankers have a free reign and left ministries with about as much in their coffers as mother Hubbard found in her cupboard. Or should I vote for the Bullingham Club aka the cabinet whose members have about as much idea of the real world as Mickey Mouse and if asked about Brooklands Estate probably think you are referring to some earls land rather than a part of Jaywick. Or should I vote for a bunch of no-hopers who spit their dummy out when their coalition partners need support in a vital vote that could affect the whole country because they couldn't get their way over the reformation of the house of Lords. So knowing about all the corruption in business in Europe as well as those in Brussels and disagreeing that a foreign Criminal should be allowed to stay in this country because he has the right to family life rather than being packed off to whence he came (what about the victims family rights one wonders) and an open door to the residents of member states whilst many from countries that were part of the 'empire' and whose forefathers fought alongside us in many conflicts are refused entry, I know who I will vote for. Scoot
  • Score: -1

11:19am Fri 29 Aug 14

ThisYear says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.
Read my comments above CAREFULLY AND IN DEPTH moron and you will see that the "silly" people and "morons" within UKIP are people like yourself. UAF leftwing scruffs. The DECENT people within UKIP however, are VERY visible around Basildon, especially to their constituents.

I bet you've never stood for election or campaigned or been an elected politician in your life. I've done all three so pipe down, sit down and shut up.

Look at the poll - and the response to your posts - then get back in your padded cell and await your next dose.

I suggest you get matron to change your prescription.
"an elected politician"

Gandy, are you claiming to have been elected to some political office by the electorate?
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.[/p][/quote]Read my comments above CAREFULLY AND IN DEPTH moron and you will see that the "silly" people and "morons" within UKIP are people like yourself. UAF leftwing scruffs. The DECENT people within UKIP however, are VERY visible around Basildon, especially to their constituents. I bet you've never stood for election or campaigned or been an elected politician in your life. I've done all three so pipe down, sit down and shut up. Look at the poll - and the response to your posts - then get back in your padded cell and await your next dose. I suggest you get matron to change your prescription.[/p][/quote]"an elected politician" Gandy, are you claiming to have been elected to some political office by the electorate? ThisYear
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11:23am Fri 29 Aug 14

ThisYear says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
The usual mishmash of oddball ideas above.Most of them the rabid howling pack of leftwing hounds who just cannot accept that they were trounced on May 22nd and face total annihilation next May.

Let me make it clear. I was a member of UKIP and contrary to what the idiots on here will tell you, I let my membership lapse because I didn't like the infiltration of the far left fascist group oddly and hypocritically named Unite Against Fascism, into the party.

Far from being far right, UKIP is bending to the left, at the core, however, there are still some decent people locally that keep to the original idea of the party. With three exceptions in Wickford, the ones elected in Basildon are the salt of the earth and are already making a huge difference.

And to the person who pointed out above that Hitler was a Socialist Worker then goes on to slate UKIP.. yes HITLER WAS A MEMBER OF THE SOCIALIST WORKERS' PARTY so how in hell can that have anything to do with UKIP being supposedly "far right"? Hitler wasn't far right, he was far left.. The Left are the biggest fascists going. Take the Basildon Labour group. You can believe anything you like as long as it concurs with their beliefs, otherwise you get labelled with an "ism".

I've been in UKIP, campaigned for it, stood for parliament and locally for it, met Farage and other senior figures and was even Frank (now Kellie) Maloney's election agent on election day 2010) and left because of the infiltration of far left nutters after the 2010 general election. A

And some of the UKIP youth movement, Young Independence have some weird ideas about libertarianism. Some of which I cannot repeat on here. I reported them to UKIP's UAF party chairman Steve Crowther but he ignored the screencaps I sent him of some disgusting posts that were put on Tw@tter and farcebook. And I mean DISGUSTING..I cannot even mention the subject mooatter but I still have the screencaps. And it wasnt racist. Just obscene.

This is why I was hounded on there, my page hacked and cloned and spurious nonsense, rubbish and libellous comments, to mention sheer nastiness plastered all over the internet and which is regularly regurgitated on here by the resident leftie loons who also obviously believe the moon is made of cheese.

The most frightening politics in this country are those of Labour.

You need only read up on what happened at Rotherham to realise that the last thing Basildon - or anywhere for that matter - needs is another loony Labour administration.

FACT: It was a LABOUR ADMINISTRATION that allowed the horrible and disgusting atrocities at Rotherham to happen over several years and STILL nobody has paid the price for that. Would you like people like that in charge at the Bas Centre? There is even a website highlighting the number of these kinds of incidents countrywide that Labour have chosen to ignore or overlook.

UKIP's nutters are all far left fascists like Hitler, NOT far right.I do wish folk would get their facts right. They have been planted in order to destroy the party from within. Think about it, UKIP are enjoying huge popularity and the lefties cannot stand that..so how better to destroy it than from within. Oh and check out the UAF website and see who their founder signatories are. David Cameron is one and several other cross party notables.

THIS IS WHY I DETEST PARTY POLITICS AND WON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. It's vile, dirty and corrupt and the decent people, even people within Labour like Kate Hoey who is a good woman, are tarnished by it and should not be - as outstanding politicians are the ones we want.

Why do you think ALL parties, including UKIP, keep their best active politicians hidden. UKIP's best result this year was Basildon but do you see mainstream UKIP trumpeting it? No you don't. It is largely left to this group to get on with it themselves with very little help from the main party - or you would be seeing Basildon UKIP all over the place including nationally. Everything the Basildon group have achieved they have achieved alone by years of sheer hard work and effort.

I've been there, seen it and heard it with my own eyes and ears so I know better than any of you who just comment based on what you read in the loony left press.

I repeat, UKIP is NOT far right. Farage is a good orator but does not listen to the foot soldiers.

However, I would still vote UKIP in Basildon, NOT Wickford or Rayleigh/Rochford or Southend where the UKIP misogynist lefties reign supreme.

So if you cannot see once and for all, that I do NOT support party politics, only individuals within them, as long as it keeps out the Labour menace, you need to open your eyes a bit wider.
So, by your reckoning, people voting for Ukip are in fact voting for left wing candidates?

I wonder how many will this put off voting Ukip?

Ukip might be thinking.' with friends like Ga-Ga Gandy who needs enemies'
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: The usual mishmash of oddball ideas above.Most of them the rabid howling pack of leftwing hounds who just cannot accept that they were trounced on May 22nd and face total annihilation next May. Let me make it clear. I was a member of UKIP and contrary to what the idiots on here will tell you, I let my membership lapse because I didn't like the infiltration of the far left fascist group oddly and hypocritically named Unite Against Fascism, into the party. Far from being far right, UKIP is bending to the left, at the core, however, there are still some decent people locally that keep to the original idea of the party. With three exceptions in Wickford, the ones elected in Basildon are the salt of the earth and are already making a huge difference. And to the person who pointed out above that Hitler was a Socialist Worker then goes on to slate UKIP.. yes HITLER WAS A MEMBER OF THE SOCIALIST WORKERS' PARTY so how in hell can that have anything to do with UKIP being supposedly "far right"? Hitler wasn't far right, he was far left.. The Left are the biggest fascists going. Take the Basildon Labour group. You can believe anything you like as long as it concurs with their beliefs, otherwise you get labelled with an "ism". I've been in UKIP, campaigned for it, stood for parliament and locally for it, met Farage and other senior figures and was even Frank (now Kellie) Maloney's election agent on election day 2010) and left because of the infiltration of far left nutters after the 2010 general election. A And some of the UKIP youth movement, Young Independence have some weird ideas about libertarianism. Some of which I cannot repeat on here. I reported them to UKIP's UAF party chairman Steve Crowther but he ignored the screencaps I sent him of some disgusting posts that were put on Tw@tter and farcebook. And I mean DISGUSTING..I cannot even mention the subject mooatter but I still have the screencaps. And it wasnt racist. Just obscene. This is why I was hounded on there, my page hacked and cloned and spurious nonsense, rubbish and libellous comments, to mention sheer nastiness plastered all over the internet and which is regularly regurgitated on here by the resident leftie loons who also obviously believe the moon is made of cheese. The most frightening politics in this country are those of Labour. You need only read up on what happened at Rotherham to realise that the last thing Basildon - or anywhere for that matter - needs is another loony Labour administration. FACT: It was a LABOUR ADMINISTRATION that allowed the horrible and disgusting atrocities at Rotherham to happen over several years and STILL nobody has paid the price for that. Would you like people like that in charge at the Bas Centre? There is even a website highlighting the number of these kinds of incidents countrywide that Labour have chosen to ignore or overlook. UKIP's nutters are all far left fascists like Hitler, NOT far right.I do wish folk would get their facts right. They have been planted in order to destroy the party from within. Think about it, UKIP are enjoying huge popularity and the lefties cannot stand that..so how better to destroy it than from within. Oh and check out the UAF website and see who their founder signatories are. David Cameron is one and several other cross party notables. THIS IS WHY I DETEST PARTY POLITICS AND WON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. It's vile, dirty and corrupt and the decent people, even people within Labour like Kate Hoey who is a good woman, are tarnished by it and should not be - as outstanding politicians are the ones we want. Why do you think ALL parties, including UKIP, keep their best active politicians hidden. UKIP's best result this year was Basildon but do you see mainstream UKIP trumpeting it? No you don't. It is largely left to this group to get on with it themselves with very little help from the main party - or you would be seeing Basildon UKIP all over the place including nationally. Everything the Basildon group have achieved they have achieved alone by years of sheer hard work and effort. I've been there, seen it and heard it with my own eyes and ears so I know better than any of you who just comment based on what you read in the loony left press. I repeat, UKIP is NOT far right. Farage is a good orator but does not listen to the foot soldiers. However, I would still vote UKIP in Basildon, NOT Wickford or Rayleigh/Rochford or Southend where the UKIP misogynist lefties reign supreme. So if you cannot see once and for all, that I do NOT support party politics, only individuals within them, as long as it keeps out the Labour menace, you need to open your eyes a bit wider.[/p][/quote]So, by your reckoning, people voting for Ukip are in fact voting for left wing candidates? I wonder how many will this put off voting Ukip? Ukip might be thinking.' with friends like Ga-Ga Gandy who needs enemies' ThisYear
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11:39am Fri 29 Aug 14

Snowthorne says...

Having had better things to do I have only just read the comments on this thread. Reminds me of nothing more than a playground full of 12year olds who think that if they shout loud enough they will appear 'Grown ups'! Most of you just seem to think like this, that if you shout loud enough & often enough we will all be impressed & think as you do!
Wrong, most of us in Clacton do have more than one brain cell which is one more than you on here who seem very scared of UKIP!
Come the election you who mostly do not even live in Clacton will see who is right in this - Douglas Carswell!
If you do not live here please take your opinions somewhere else.
Having had better things to do I have only just read the comments on this thread. Reminds me of nothing more than a playground full of 12year olds who think that if they shout loud enough they will appear 'Grown ups'! Most of you just seem to think like this, that if you shout loud enough & often enough we will all be impressed & think as you do! Wrong, most of us in Clacton do have more than one brain cell which is one more than you on here who seem very scared of UKIP! Come the election you who mostly do not even live in Clacton will see who is right in this - Douglas Carswell! If you do not live here please take your opinions somewhere else. Snowthorne
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12:01pm Fri 29 Aug 14

DAGASMAN says...

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2:00pm Fri 29 Aug 14

cj07589 says...

DelA wrote:
I have always said that UKIP were another form of Tory, this proves it !!!!!
That's the silliest thing I've read in quite some time.
I'd say that there is very little difference between LIEbour, Conservatives and the fib dems they are all wet spineless left wing parties in cahoots with the rotten and corrupt EU. The critical point of difference with UKIP won't be slaves to Brussels, aka we want our country back.
[quote][p][bold]DelA[/bold] wrote: I have always said that UKIP were another form of Tory, this proves it !!!!![/p][/quote]That's the silliest thing I've read in quite some time. I'd say that there is very little difference between LIEbour, Conservatives and the fib dems they are all wet spineless left wing parties in cahoots with the rotten and corrupt EU. The critical point of difference with UKIP won't be slaves to Brussels, aka we want our country back. cj07589
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2:04pm Fri 29 Aug 14

cj07589 says...

Montaigne wrote:
Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.
Indeed spoken like a little child. This is one of the defining moments in modern British politics and it's importance has completely sailed past you. Well done for the own goal, good things schools start again next week eh?
[quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.[/p][/quote]Indeed spoken like a little child. This is one of the defining moments in modern British politics and it's importance has completely sailed past you. Well done for the own goal, good things schools start again next week eh? cj07589
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2:14pm Fri 29 Aug 14

cj07589 says...

Montaigne wrote:
Sadly I just see a load of right wing morons on this site reinforcing the image of stupid Essex man. We cannot exist without the EU.
Please stop the world spinning I want off, I'm far more worried about idiots like this living in our midst. How do you think Britain survived pre-common market?? Do you think the EU fairies saved us in WW1 & WW2

Another product of Labour comprehensive education system no doubt! This thread is occupied by left wing donuts living in fantasy land.
[quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Sadly I just see a load of right wing morons on this site reinforcing the image of stupid Essex man. We cannot exist without the EU.[/p][/quote]Please stop the world spinning I want off, I'm far more worried about idiots like this living in our midst. How do you think Britain survived pre-common market?? Do you think the EU fairies saved us in WW1 & WW2 Another product of Labour comprehensive education system no doubt! This thread is occupied by left wing donuts living in fantasy land. cj07589
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2:36pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Essexman10 says...

cj07589 wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
Sadly I just see a load of right wing morons on this site reinforcing the image of stupid Essex man. We cannot exist without the EU.
Please stop the world spinning I want off, I'm far more worried about idiots like this living in our midst. How do you think Britain survived pre-common market?? Do you think the EU fairies saved us in WW1 & WW2

Another product of Labour comprehensive education system no doubt! This thread is occupied by left wing donuts living in fantasy land.
I think both these people are substituting personal abuse for political argument.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Sadly I just see a load of right wing morons on this site reinforcing the image of stupid Essex man. We cannot exist without the EU.[/p][/quote]Please stop the world spinning I want off, I'm far more worried about idiots like this living in our midst. How do you think Britain survived pre-common market?? Do you think the EU fairies saved us in WW1 & WW2 Another product of Labour comprehensive education system no doubt! This thread is occupied by left wing donuts living in fantasy land.[/p][/quote]I think both these people are substituting personal abuse for political argument. Essexman10
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3:55pm Fri 29 Aug 14

drbeat says...

Essexman10 wrote:
drbeat wrote:
Essexman10 wrote:
Sensible Man wrote:
How funny to see the left-wing scum (seriously ODD people) spouting their stinking filth on this thread. Seriously - to all those people reading all this- could you EVER see yourself voting for such evil anti-British left-wing filth that appears here?? They truly are stinking filth.

Vote to save England- anyone except the filthy left-wing stinking filth. No left-wing filth here please!!!!
I think this makes my point graphically. Imagine what it would be like for free speech in this country if people like 'Sensiblr Man ' (Sic) were in power. UKIP attracts this mentality. Yes. We need to be worried.
Still waiting for you to give us all the benefit of your historical knowledge.

Also, you keep going on about 'my point', you've yet to make a point about anything? All you're doing is sniping from the sidelines.

Funnily enough, you have nothing to say about jayman's 'right-wing scumbag' opener?

My assumptions about you were correct, you are a lefty. Doesn't matter if you're a Tory, Lib or Lab voter - you're a lefty.
I think you should read the first 2 comments of mine on here (1.27pm and 2.55pm. You might not agree but my views were clear. Your account of the rise of Hitler to power I would not disagree with. Its a pity you topped and tailed it with a diatribe against 'leftys' and equating National Socialism with Socialism, something Hitler attempted to do to fool ordinary people. In fact socialism is to do with internationalism and the brotherhood of mankind, irrespective of race, sex and nationality. Thus 'National' socialism is a contradiction in terms. I also found it strange you wrote "After the Reichstag was burned down by a Communist (according to the Nazis)" In fact it is generally accepted that the Nazis burnt it down themselves to give Hitler his excuse for rounding up and executing Communists, Trade Unionist AND Socialists, as well as anyone he felt might be a threat to his remaining in power.

As for comments like 'Right-wing scumbag' they are just as bad as your personal 'name-calling'. It should be the message that is argued against not the messenger being attacked. Calling me a 'lefty' actually means nothing - its name-calling. But I would not put you in the same 'category' as 'Sensible Man' who, unlike you, has SOLELY levelled abuse bon here.
You made no views clear at all Essexlefty10. Yes, I stated after the "Reichstag was burned down by a Communist (according to the Nazis)" because according to the Nazis it was burned down by a Commie, which is fact. At no point did I write is WAS burned down by Commie, but I did write it WAS burned down by a Commie ACCORDING to the Nazis. But even to this day, there is no evidence publicly available about who really set the Reichstag on fire. Some say it was Goering, and some also say Goering in later years at a Nazi event slapped his thigh and admitted that he did the deed. But still, there is no proof.

The event didn't give Hitler any excuse because the Enabling Act had already been drafted by Von Papen. Hitler was devoid of ideas, he relied on the Conservative Elite to give him such ideas and Von Papen was just the man.

But yes, the Nazis were just a different brand of Socialism - command economy, auxiliary police force and army, wage controls and a one party state and all under the worship of one leader. The only difference was that the Junker class were fooled into thinking Hitler would allow them to carry on as was during the Weimar Republic and during the time of the Monarchy. That is until the industries of the Junker class was nationalised under the Reichswerke Hermann Göring.

Of course they rounded up Commies, Trade Unionists and those who worshipped Soviet Style Socialism. They eliminated the competition. That is what socialists do. Just like what you and your Socialist buddies here are trying to eliminate support for UKIP by making comparisons of them to the Nazis. You socialists always resort to over the top emotive language, FACT. Pity we're not seeing action in Rotherham eh?

Calling someone a lefty is hardly in the same league as 'scumbag'. You are a lefty, so I'm calling you a lefty bceause that is what you are. You tried to disguise it by giving out one liner replies to me, but I had you nailed in an instant.

I've levelled no abuse at you. I'm still waiting for your take on history, now come on...the popcorn is getting cold.
[quote][p][bold]Essexman10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Essexman10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sensible Man[/bold] wrote: How funny to see the left-wing scum (seriously ODD people) spouting their stinking filth on this thread. Seriously - to all those people reading all this- could you EVER see yourself voting for such evil anti-British left-wing filth that appears here?? They truly are stinking filth. Vote to save England- anyone except the filthy left-wing stinking filth. No left-wing filth here please!!!![/p][/quote]I think this makes my point graphically. Imagine what it would be like for free speech in this country if people like 'Sensiblr Man ' (Sic) were in power. UKIP attracts this mentality. Yes. We need to be worried.[/p][/quote]Still waiting for you to give us all the benefit of your historical knowledge. Also, you keep going on about 'my point', you've yet to make a point about anything? All you're doing is sniping from the sidelines. Funnily enough, you have nothing to say about jayman's 'right-wing scumbag' opener? My assumptions about you were correct, you are a lefty. Doesn't matter if you're a Tory, Lib or Lab voter - you're a lefty.[/p][/quote]I think you should read the first 2 comments of mine on here (1.27pm and 2.55pm. You might not agree but my views were clear. Your account of the rise of Hitler to power I would not disagree with. Its a pity you topped and tailed it with a diatribe against 'leftys' and equating National Socialism with Socialism, something Hitler attempted to do to fool ordinary people. In fact socialism is to do with internationalism and the brotherhood of mankind, irrespective of race, sex and nationality. Thus 'National' socialism is a contradiction in terms. I also found it strange you wrote "After the Reichstag was burned down by a Communist (according to the Nazis)" In fact it is generally accepted that the Nazis burnt it down themselves to give Hitler his excuse for rounding up and executing Communists, Trade Unionist AND Socialists, as well as anyone he felt might be a threat to his remaining in power. As for comments like 'Right-wing scumbag' they are just as bad as your personal 'name-calling'. It should be the message that is argued against not the messenger being attacked. Calling me a 'lefty' actually means nothing - its name-calling. But I would not put you in the same 'category' as 'Sensible Man' who, unlike you, has SOLELY levelled abuse bon here.[/p][/quote]You made no views clear at all Essexlefty10. Yes, I stated after the "Reichstag was burned down by a Communist (according to the Nazis)" because according to the Nazis it was burned down by a Commie, which is fact. At no point did I write is WAS burned down by Commie, but I did write it WAS burned down by a Commie ACCORDING to the Nazis. But even to this day, there is no evidence publicly available about who really set the Reichstag on fire. Some say it was Goering, and some also say Goering in later years at a Nazi event slapped his thigh and admitted that he did the deed. But still, there is no proof. The event didn't give Hitler any excuse because the Enabling Act had already been drafted by Von Papen. Hitler was devoid of ideas, he relied on the Conservative Elite to give him such ideas and Von Papen was just the man. But yes, the Nazis were just a different brand of Socialism - command economy, auxiliary police force and army, wage controls and a one party state and all under the worship of one leader. The only difference was that the Junker class were fooled into thinking Hitler would allow them to carry on as was during the Weimar Republic and during the time of the Monarchy. That is until the industries of the Junker class was nationalised under the Reichswerke Hermann Göring. Of course they rounded up Commies, Trade Unionists and those who worshipped Soviet Style Socialism. They eliminated the competition. That is what socialists do. Just like what you and your Socialist buddies here are trying to eliminate support for UKIP by making comparisons of them to the Nazis. You socialists always resort to over the top emotive language, FACT. Pity we're not seeing action in Rotherham eh? Calling someone a lefty is hardly in the same league as 'scumbag'. You are a lefty, so I'm calling you a lefty bceause that is what you are. You tried to disguise it by giving out one liner replies to me, but I had you nailed in an instant. I've levelled no abuse at you. I'm still waiting for your take on history, now come on...the popcorn is getting cold. drbeat
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4:06pm Fri 29 Aug 14

drbeat says...

jayman wrote:
drbeat wrote:
jayman wrote:
drbeat wrote:
jayman wrote:
Another right-wing scumbag who wants to serve himself even further. What a complete non-entity.

boy "mum... I want to be a Tory politician"

the mum "where did I go so wrong!!"

this conversational, political paradigm is enhanced if the acronym UKIP is substituted for word Tory.

Imagine the logical instability that would arise from this conversational concept if the boy was not a boy but a grown man who had indeed been in receipt of some form of rudimentary political education while spending most of his time in elite institutional education, avoiding the unwanted and inappropriate attention of the prefect.
Imagine a scenario where your credit card is declined in a shop due to lack of funds, here are the following left and right wing outcomes:

Right Winger:

Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined"
Right Winger: "oh sorry, my fault, I've got no money"
...then walks out the shop, learns his/her lesson.

Left Winger

Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined"
Left Winger: proceeds to smash up the shop, loot the place. Wave a banner displaying the shop owners are fascist nazi scum. Swings off the nearest WW1 memorial, smashes up some other shops, does a bit more looting, blames Thatcher for the world's woes, gets arrested. pleads "everything was taken out of context" and then joins the Labour Party.
I believe in your antagonistic example you are describing the mentality of an anarchist, not a socialist.

try this.

The shop sells goods that are of or have a 'a common social value' the socialist government will nationalise the shop. fix the prices at an affordable level while allowing direct competition from other retailers.

The right-wing conservative comes along, he vilifies the shop workers and makes claims that the shop is not viable (it is) he owns the other shops that are in direct competition to the state owned shop. eventually he strips the shop
So nearly 50 years of failed post war consensus comes to nothing?

So what happens when the workers in the state on shop demand higher wages? And then they don't get those wages their union calls a strike. The Socialist shop owner gives in and pays them higher wages resulting in higher prices for the goods within. Everyone then decides to go to the private shops where they know they can get the goods cheaper.

The workers of the state owned shop carry on demanding higher wages, but because the products they supply are not in demand, due to higher prices, the Socialist shop owner declines their demands. So the shop workers go on strike again and so the Socialist shop owner gives in and gives them a payrise.

By this time, the Socialist shop is suffering from rampant inflation so as a result, the Socialist shop owner decides to raise business rates and taxation for all the other private shops. As a result of that, the private shops raise their prices but point the finger of blame at the Socialist shop.

Due to rising product prices in both socialist and private shops, customers then start demanding wage increases from their employers. Some get the increase but others don't, the Socialist shop owner stands back and does nothing.

Now there is rampant inflation in the whole system and everyone wants more money to cover higher costs of living. The Socialist Shop owner addresses this by introducing a wage limit for his shop workers. The workers go on strike.

To address the inflation situation overall, the Socialist shop owner introduces 90% taxation and raises interest rates, business rates and everything else to persuade people not to eat. Suddenly everyone goes on strike.

A year later, the people vote in a right wing government who blows socialism out of the system. 18 years later, the people vote in a socialist government who reintroduces socialism back into the system. The party who was the Right Wing govt. shift to the left and carry on the socialist policies of the previous govt.

All the shops are now propped up through Tax Credits and the capitalist shop owners are delighted that the govt. is now out of the shop business but is instead subsidising wages and providing cheap labour from Eastern Europe.

Unfortunately, the countries overall government debt is over a trillion quid and know one knows when it's all going to come crashing down on us. Youth unemployment is at over 2 million, but hey...who cares?
a few problems with your analysis

"18 years later, the people vote in a socialist government who reintroduces socialism back into the system. The party who was the Right Wing govt. shift to the left and carry on the socialist policies of the previous govt."

no the people didn't. they voted in 'new labour' this is considered by Tories and socialists as a bad move. the new labour movement was a failure. Tory Blair sent Isaiah Berlin a letter prior to coming to power. The letter asked if positive and negative liberty could exists in a single system. Berlin died before he could reply but he would have properly said "no you stupid fool" Tony Blair went ahead with this flawed government ideology which proved to be a financial and political disaster.

Tony Blair et al where not socialists.

socialism of the sixties and seventies failed because of international trade changes, technological advances and huge UK trade deficits. the UK was the 'old man of Europe' its factories (state owned and private) where inefficient and lacked investment. The unions had become militant, yes, but the factories where places of heavy manufacturing, UK coal mining was dangerous work, everything was more labour intensive and more dangerous. working people where underpaid (more-so in the private sector) it was a bleak time.

Socialism wasn't to blame, but it sure as hell got the blame.
Glad to read that you agree with my analysis which was actually a take down of your wish for a Socialist Utopia.

New Labour was the re-introduction of Socialism without a Soviet face. Tax Credits = Socialism, Minimum Wage = Socialism, further integration with the EU = Socialism, Unchecked Immigration = Socialism, Political Correctness = Socialism, Multiculturalism = Socialism, Climate Change = Socialism, Bailing out the Banks = Socialism, Auxiliary Police Forces = Socialism, higher band of taxation = Socialism, more landlords than ever = Socialism..etc

We're back in the mid-70s except this time the IMF won't be able to bail us out.

The end of Socialism actually came when Jim Callaghan went begging to the IMF for a bailout. He admitted Keynes-ism was a failure, but that speech has gone into the ether...most likely ignored by Socialists like yourself.

The End.
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: Another right-wing scumbag who wants to serve himself even further. What a complete non-entity. boy "mum... I want to be a Tory politician" the mum "where did I go so wrong!!" this conversational, political paradigm is enhanced if the acronym UKIP is substituted for word Tory. Imagine the logical instability that would arise from this conversational concept if the boy was not a boy but a grown man who had indeed been in receipt of some form of rudimentary political education while spending most of his time in elite institutional education, avoiding the unwanted and inappropriate attention of the prefect.[/p][/quote]Imagine a scenario where your credit card is declined in a shop due to lack of funds, here are the following left and right wing outcomes: Right Winger: Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined" Right Winger: "oh sorry, my fault, I've got no money" ...then walks out the shop, learns his/her lesson. Left Winger Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined" Left Winger: proceeds to smash up the shop, loot the place. Wave a banner displaying the shop owners are fascist nazi scum. Swings off the nearest WW1 memorial, smashes up some other shops, does a bit more looting, blames Thatcher for the world's woes, gets arrested. pleads "everything was taken out of context" and then joins the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]I believe in your antagonistic example you are describing the mentality of an anarchist, not a socialist. try this. The shop sells goods that are of or have a 'a common social value' the socialist government will nationalise the shop. fix the prices at an affordable level while allowing direct competition from other retailers. The right-wing conservative comes along, he vilifies the shop workers and makes claims that the shop is not viable (it is) he owns the other shops that are in direct competition to the state owned shop. eventually he strips the shop[ of all its assets and sells the shop for one tenth its actual value. the UKIP politician will do all the awful things the Tory politician did but he will simply add a thatched roof to the privatised shop.[/p][/quote]So nearly 50 years of failed post war consensus comes to nothing? So what happens when the workers in the state on shop demand higher wages? And then they don't get those wages their union calls a strike. The Socialist shop owner gives in and pays them higher wages resulting in higher prices for the goods within. Everyone then decides to go to the private shops where they know they can get the goods cheaper. The workers of the state owned shop carry on demanding higher wages, but because the products they supply are not in demand, due to higher prices, the Socialist shop owner declines their demands. So the shop workers go on strike again and so the Socialist shop owner gives in and gives them a payrise. By this time, the Socialist shop is suffering from rampant inflation so as a result, the Socialist shop owner decides to raise business rates and taxation for all the other private shops. As a result of that, the private shops raise their prices but point the finger of blame at the Socialist shop. Due to rising product prices in both socialist and private shops, customers then start demanding wage increases from their employers. Some get the increase but others don't, the Socialist shop owner stands back and does nothing. Now there is rampant inflation in the whole system and everyone wants more money to cover higher costs of living. The Socialist Shop owner addresses this by introducing a wage limit for his shop workers. The workers go on strike. To address the inflation situation overall, the Socialist shop owner introduces 90% taxation and raises interest rates, business rates and everything else to persuade people not to eat. Suddenly everyone goes on strike. A year later, the people vote in a right wing government who blows socialism out of the system. 18 years later, the people vote in a socialist government who reintroduces socialism back into the system. The party who was the Right Wing govt. shift to the left and carry on the socialist policies of the previous govt. All the shops are now propped up through Tax Credits and the capitalist shop owners are delighted that the govt. is now out of the shop business but is instead subsidising wages and providing cheap labour from Eastern Europe. Unfortunately, the countries overall government debt is over a trillion quid and know one knows when it's all going to come crashing down on us. Youth unemployment is at over 2 million, but hey...who cares?[/p][/quote]a few problems with your analysis "18 years later, the people vote in a socialist government who reintroduces socialism back into the system. The party who was the Right Wing govt. shift to the left and carry on the socialist policies of the previous govt." no the people didn't. they voted in 'new labour' this is considered by Tories and socialists as a bad move. the new labour movement was a failure. Tory Blair sent Isaiah Berlin a letter prior to coming to power. The letter asked if positive and negative liberty could exists in a single system. Berlin died before he could reply but he would have properly said "no you stupid fool" Tony Blair went ahead with this flawed government ideology which proved to be a financial and political disaster. Tony Blair et al where not socialists. socialism of the sixties and seventies failed because of international trade changes, technological advances and huge UK trade deficits. the UK was the 'old man of Europe' its factories (state owned and private) where inefficient and lacked investment. The unions had become militant, yes, but the factories where places of heavy manufacturing, UK coal mining was dangerous work, everything was more labour intensive and more dangerous. working people where underpaid (more-so in the private sector) it was a bleak time. Socialism wasn't to blame, but it sure as hell got the blame.[/p][/quote]Glad to read that you agree with my analysis which was actually a take down of your wish for a Socialist Utopia. New Labour was the re-introduction of Socialism without a Soviet face. Tax Credits = Socialism, Minimum Wage = Socialism, further integration with the EU = Socialism, Unchecked Immigration = Socialism, Political Correctness = Socialism, Multiculturalism = Socialism, Climate Change = Socialism, Bailing out the Banks = Socialism, Auxiliary Police Forces = Socialism, higher band of taxation = Socialism, more landlords than ever = Socialism..etc We're back in the mid-70s except this time the IMF won't be able to bail us out. The end of Socialism actually came when Jim Callaghan went begging to the IMF for a bailout. He admitted Keynes-ism was a failure, but that speech has gone into the ether...most likely ignored by Socialists like yourself. The End. drbeat
  • Score: -2

7:58pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Now listen for I have something to say says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
drbeat wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
drbeat wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.
Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP.
Eric, The fact UKIP won the Euro Elections is also completely lost on the person you've replied to.

You see, I'm not 'allowed' to make assumptions, but anti-UKIP folk are allowed to call us morons and assume that we're not in touch with 'sensible people'. Nazis, supporters of the gas chambers etc. is all fair play too.

Whatever next eh? Genghis Khan?
What a prat you are try thinking for once. we are in danger of emulating the Nazis.
LOL...typical lefty. The use over the top statements and alarm-ism to get across totally baseless arguments is all the signs of lefty desperation. Just like Alistair Campbell's dodgy dossier and the '45 minute' claim.

Prey tell how we're about to emulate the Nazis. I need to get the popcorn sorted, so give me about 5 minutes.
Your already doing so. Wise up chummy and see this nasty group for waht they are. EVIL.
Pot and kettle methinks. Evil? What you mean like letting children be abused, raped, doused with petrol and trafficked around the country whilst keeping quiet in case it upset the Pakistani community?

Like arresting a 12 year old girl for being drunk rather than those who had got her drunk in order to rape her?

You are totally and utterly repulsive. You ACTIVELY support this kind of behaviour by even admitting to being a Socialist because this is what modern "Socialists" do isn't it? Defend the indefensible.

Just shut up you disgusting cretin..
Such a Lady.. how's the burnt caravan crusade going ?
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.[/p][/quote]Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP.[/p][/quote]Eric, The fact UKIP won the Euro Elections is also completely lost on the person you've replied to. You see, I'm not 'allowed' to make assumptions, but anti-UKIP folk are allowed to call us morons and assume that we're not in touch with 'sensible people'. Nazis, supporters of the gas chambers etc. is all fair play too. Whatever next eh? Genghis Khan?[/p][/quote]What a prat you are try thinking for once. we are in danger of emulating the Nazis.[/p][/quote]LOL...typical lefty. The use over the top statements and alarm-ism to get across totally baseless arguments is all the signs of lefty desperation. Just like Alistair Campbell's dodgy dossier and the '45 minute' claim. Prey tell how we're about to emulate the Nazis. I need to get the popcorn sorted, so give me about 5 minutes.[/p][/quote]Your already doing so. Wise up chummy and see this nasty group for waht they are. EVIL.[/p][/quote]Pot and kettle methinks. Evil? What you mean like letting children be abused, raped, doused with petrol and trafficked around the country whilst keeping quiet in case it upset the Pakistani community? Like arresting a 12 year old girl for being drunk rather than those who had got her drunk in order to rape her? You are totally and utterly repulsive. You ACTIVELY support this kind of behaviour by even admitting to being a Socialist because this is what modern "Socialists" do isn't it? Defend the indefensible. Just shut up you disgusting cretin..[/p][/quote]Such a Lady.. how's the burnt caravan crusade going ? Now listen for I have something to say
  • Score: 0

9:59pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Reginald47 says...

Snowthorne wrote:
Having had better things to do I have only just read the comments on this thread. Reminds me of nothing more than a playground full of 12year olds who think that if they shout loud enough they will appear 'Grown ups'! Most of you just seem to think like this, that if you shout loud enough & often enough we will all be impressed & think as you do! Wrong, most of us in Clacton do have more than one brain cell which is one more than you on here who seem very scared of UKIP! Come the election you who mostly do not even live in Clacton will see who is right in this - Douglas Carswell! If you do not live here please take your opinions somewhere else.
I admire Douglas and Nigel for very deftly skewering Roger Lord in the back without even telling him. At least we now know what to expect from UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]Snowthorne[/bold] wrote: Having had better things to do I have only just read the comments on this thread. Reminds me of nothing more than a playground full of 12year olds who think that if they shout loud enough they will appear 'Grown ups'! Most of you just seem to think like this, that if you shout loud enough & often enough we will all be impressed & think as you do! Wrong, most of us in Clacton do have more than one brain cell which is one more than you on here who seem very scared of UKIP! Come the election you who mostly do not even live in Clacton will see who is right in this - Douglas Carswell! If you do not live here please take your opinions somewhere else.[/p][/quote]I admire Douglas and Nigel for very deftly skewering Roger Lord in the back without even telling him. At least we now know what to expect from UKIP. Reginald47
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12:23am Sat 30 Aug 14

ThisYear says...

Now listen for I have something to say wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
drbeat wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
drbeat wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Montaigne wrote:
Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.
Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP.
Eric, The fact UKIP won the Euro Elections is also completely lost on the person you've replied to.

You see, I'm not 'allowed' to make assumptions, but anti-UKIP folk are allowed to call us morons and assume that we're not in touch with 'sensible people'. Nazis, supporters of the gas chambers etc. is all fair play too.

Whatever next eh? Genghis Khan?
What a prat you are try thinking for once. we are in danger of emulating the Nazis.
LOL...typical lefty. The use over the top statements and alarm-ism to get across totally baseless arguments is all the signs of lefty desperation. Just like Alistair Campbell's dodgy dossier and the '45 minute' claim.

Prey tell how we're about to emulate the Nazis. I need to get the popcorn sorted, so give me about 5 minutes.
Your already doing so. Wise up chummy and see this nasty group for waht they are. EVIL.
Pot and kettle methinks. Evil? What you mean like letting children be abused, raped, doused with petrol and trafficked around the country whilst keeping quiet in case it upset the Pakistani community?

Like arresting a 12 year old girl for being drunk rather than those who had got her drunk in order to rape her?

You are totally and utterly repulsive. You ACTIVELY support this kind of behaviour by even admitting to being a Socialist because this is what modern "Socialists" do isn't it? Defend the indefensible.

Just shut up you disgusting cretin..
Such a Lady.. how's the burnt caravan crusade going ?
She's as weird as a tree frog in drag..
[quote][p][bold]Now listen for I have something to say[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Montaigne[/bold] wrote: Why would an adult join the silly party? No sensible person in the UK considers the morons in UK to be adults and in fact the majority of their policies are so way out of touch with sensible people I wonder why this storey in a backwater like Clacton has hit the headlines.[/p][/quote]Have you actually read their policy document? Or do you just take in the lies spread by the other parties? For the first time in my life, I joined a political party because I believe that they are a breath of fresh air, and not the cosy 3-party system that we've had for too long - I joined UKIP.[/p][/quote]Eric, The fact UKIP won the Euro Elections is also completely lost on the person you've replied to. You see, I'm not 'allowed' to make assumptions, but anti-UKIP folk are allowed to call us morons and assume that we're not in touch with 'sensible people'. Nazis, supporters of the gas chambers etc. is all fair play too. Whatever next eh? Genghis Khan?[/p][/quote]What a prat you are try thinking for once. we are in danger of emulating the Nazis.[/p][/quote]LOL...typical lefty. The use over the top statements and alarm-ism to get across totally baseless arguments is all the signs of lefty desperation. Just like Alistair Campbell's dodgy dossier and the '45 minute' claim. Prey tell how we're about to emulate the Nazis. I need to get the popcorn sorted, so give me about 5 minutes.[/p][/quote]Your already doing so. Wise up chummy and see this nasty group for waht they are. EVIL.[/p][/quote]Pot and kettle methinks. Evil? What you mean like letting children be abused, raped, doused with petrol and trafficked around the country whilst keeping quiet in case it upset the Pakistani community? Like arresting a 12 year old girl for being drunk rather than those who had got her drunk in order to rape her? You are totally and utterly repulsive. You ACTIVELY support this kind of behaviour by even admitting to being a Socialist because this is what modern "Socialists" do isn't it? Defend the indefensible. Just shut up you disgusting cretin..[/p][/quote]Such a Lady.. how's the burnt caravan crusade going ?[/p][/quote]She's as weird as a tree frog in drag.. ThisYear
  • Score: 1

10:28am Sat 30 Aug 14

jayman says...

drbeat wrote:
jayman wrote:
drbeat wrote:
jayman wrote:
drbeat wrote:
jayman wrote:
Another right-wing scumbag who wants to serve himself even further. What a complete non-entity.

boy "mum... I want to be a Tory politician"

the mum "where did I go so wrong!!"

this conversational, political paradigm is enhanced if the acronym UKIP is substituted for word Tory.

Imagine the logical instability that would arise from this conversational concept if the boy was not a boy but a grown man who had indeed been in receipt of some form of rudimentary political education while spending most of his time in elite institutional education, avoiding the unwanted and inappropriate attention of the prefect.
Imagine a scenario where your credit card is declined in a shop due to lack of funds, here are the following left and right wing outcomes:

Right Winger:

Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined"
Right Winger: "oh sorry, my fault, I've got no money"
...then walks out the shop, learns his/her lesson.

Left Winger

Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined"
Left Winger: proceeds to smash up the shop, loot the place. Wave a banner displaying the shop owners are fascist nazi scum. Swings off the nearest WW1 memorial, smashes up some other shops, does a bit more looting, blames Thatcher for the world's woes, gets arrested. pleads "everything was taken out of context" and then joins the Labour Party.
I believe in your antagonistic example you are describing the mentality of an anarchist, not a socialist.

try this.

The shop sells goods that are of or have a 'a common social value' the socialist government will nationalise the shop. fix the prices at an affordable level while allowing direct competition from other retailers.

The right-wing conservative comes along, he vilifies the shop workers and makes claims that the shop is not viable (it is) he owns the other shops that are in direct competition to the state owned shop. eventually he strips the shop
So nearly 50 years of failed post war consensus comes to nothing?

So what happens when the workers in the state on shop demand higher wages? And then they don't get those wages their union calls a strike. The Socialist shop owner gives in and pays them higher wages resulting in higher prices for the goods within. Everyone then decides to go to the private shops where they know they can get the goods cheaper.

The workers of the state owned shop carry on demanding higher wages, but because the products they supply are not in demand, due to higher prices, the Socialist shop owner declines their demands. So the shop workers go on strike again and so the Socialist shop owner gives in and gives them a payrise.

By this time, the Socialist shop is suffering from rampant inflation so as a result, the Socialist shop owner decides to raise business rates and taxation for all the other private shops. As a result of that, the private shops raise their prices but point the finger of blame at the Socialist shop.

Due to rising product prices in both socialist and private shops, customers then start demanding wage increases from their employers. Some get the increase but others don't, the Socialist shop owner stands back and does nothing.

Now there is rampant inflation in the whole system and everyone wants more money to cover higher costs of living. The Socialist Shop owner addresses this by introducing a wage limit for his shop workers. The workers go on strike.

To address the inflation situation overall, the Socialist shop owner introduces 90% taxation and raises interest rates, business rates and everything else to persuade people not to eat. Suddenly everyone goes on strike.

A year later, the people vote in a right wing government who blows socialism out of the system. 18 years later, the people vote in a socialist government who reintroduces socialism back into the system. The party who was the Right Wing govt. shift to the left and carry on the socialist policies of the previous govt.

All the shops are now propped up through Tax Credits and the capitalist shop owners are delighted that the govt. is now out of the shop business but is instead subsidising wages and providing cheap labour from Eastern Europe.

Unfortunately, the countries overall government debt is over a trillion quid and know one knows when it's all going to come crashing down on us. Youth unemployment is at over 2 million, but hey...who cares?
a few problems with your analysis

"18 years later, the people vote in a socialist government who reintroduces socialism back into the system. The party who was the Right Wing govt. shift to the left and carry on the socialist policies of the previous govt."

no the people didn't. they voted in 'new labour' this is considered by Tories and socialists as a bad move. the new labour movement was a failure. Tory Blair sent Isaiah Berlin a letter prior to coming to power. The letter asked if positive and negative liberty could exists in a single system. Berlin died before he could reply but he would have properly said "no you stupid fool" Tony Blair went ahead with this flawed government ideology which proved to be a financial and political disaster.

Tony Blair et al where not socialists.

socialism of the sixties and seventies failed because of international trade changes, technological advances and huge UK trade deficits. the UK was the 'old man of Europe' its factories (state owned and private) where inefficient and lacked investment. The unions had become militant, yes, but the factories where places of heavy manufacturing, UK coal mining was dangerous work, everything was more labour intensive and more dangerous. working people where underpaid (more-so in the private sector) it was a bleak time.

Socialism wasn't to blame, but it sure as hell got the blame.
Glad to read that you agree with my analysis which was actually a take down of your wish for a Socialist Utopia.

New Labour was the re-introduction of Socialism without a Soviet face. Tax Credits = Socialism, Minimum Wage = Socialism, further integration with the EU = Socialism, Unchecked Immigration = Socialism, Political Correctness = Socialism, Multiculturalism = Socialism, Climate Change = Socialism, Bailing out the Banks = Socialism, Auxiliary Police Forces = Socialism, higher band of taxation = Socialism, more landlords than ever = Socialism..etc

We're back in the mid-70s except this time the IMF won't be able to bail us out.

The end of Socialism actually came when Jim Callaghan went begging to the IMF for a bailout. He admitted Keynes-ism was a failure, but that speech has gone into the ether...most likely ignored by Socialists like yourself.

The End.
Socialism, Multiculturalism.! No. private enterprise or 'a cheap workforce/slave-forc
e' was the vehicle for modern multiculturalism, of course, The UK has always been and always will be 'multicultural'

Political Correctness, this was originally a US political concept that bled into UK culture (as most things do).

Auxiliary Police Forces = Socialism.. I'm so confused by this association I'm not sure how to address it.

This is perhaps you only correct assumption. rich people pay more tax. Congratulations!

Tax Credits = Socialism. I think you will find that the US have a similar system only without the structure of PAYE.

Bailing out the Banks = Socialism... I'm just going to laugh really loudly at this observation. A socialist government would have stripped the bank of its assets, transferred its accounts and customers to a state created bank and imprisoned the bankers for financial crimes.

That should be enough. The rest of your observations do not warrant a response on the grounds of common sense..

to put things simply for you. there are two things that get an economy or a country in trouble. 1) greed 2) self service...
[quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: Another right-wing scumbag who wants to serve himself even further. What a complete non-entity. boy "mum... I want to be a Tory politician" the mum "where did I go so wrong!!" this conversational, political paradigm is enhanced if the acronym UKIP is substituted for word Tory. Imagine the logical instability that would arise from this conversational concept if the boy was not a boy but a grown man who had indeed been in receipt of some form of rudimentary political education while spending most of his time in elite institutional education, avoiding the unwanted and inappropriate attention of the prefect.[/p][/quote]Imagine a scenario where your credit card is declined in a shop due to lack of funds, here are the following left and right wing outcomes: Right Winger: Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined" Right Winger: "oh sorry, my fault, I've got no money" ...then walks out the shop, learns his/her lesson. Left Winger Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined" Left Winger: proceeds to smash up the shop, loot the place. Wave a banner displaying the shop owners are fascist nazi scum. Swings off the nearest WW1 memorial, smashes up some other shops, does a bit more looting, blames Thatcher for the world's woes, gets arrested. pleads "everything was taken out of context" and then joins the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]I believe in your antagonistic example you are describing the mentality of an anarchist, not a socialist. try this. The shop sells goods that are of or have a 'a common social value' the socialist government will nationalise the shop. fix the prices at an affordable level while allowing direct competition from other retailers. The right-wing conservative comes along, he vilifies the shop workers and makes claims that the shop is not viable (it is) he owns the other shops that are in direct competition to the state owned shop. eventually he strips the shop[ of all its assets and sells the shop for one tenth its actual value. the UKIP politician will do all the awful things the Tory politician did but he will simply add a thatched roof to the privatised shop.[/p][/quote]So nearly 50 years of failed post war consensus comes to nothing? So what happens when the workers in the state on shop demand higher wages? And then they don't get those wages their union calls a strike. The Socialist shop owner gives in and pays them higher wages resulting in higher prices for the goods within. Everyone then decides to go to the private shops where they know they can get the goods cheaper. The workers of the state owned shop carry on demanding higher wages, but because the products they supply are not in demand, due to higher prices, the Socialist shop owner declines their demands. So the shop workers go on strike again and so the Socialist shop owner gives in and gives them a payrise. By this time, the Socialist shop is suffering from rampant inflation so as a result, the Socialist shop owner decides to raise business rates and taxation for all the other private shops. As a result of that, the private shops raise their prices but point the finger of blame at the Socialist shop. Due to rising product prices in both socialist and private shops, customers then start demanding wage increases from their employers. Some get the increase but others don't, the Socialist shop owner stands back and does nothing. Now there is rampant inflation in the whole system and everyone wants more money to cover higher costs of living. The Socialist Shop owner addresses this by introducing a wage limit for his shop workers. The workers go on strike. To address the inflation situation overall, the Socialist shop owner introduces 90% taxation and raises interest rates, business rates and everything else to persuade people not to eat. Suddenly everyone goes on strike. A year later, the people vote in a right wing government who blows socialism out of the system. 18 years later, the people vote in a socialist government who reintroduces socialism back into the system. The party who was the Right Wing govt. shift to the left and carry on the socialist policies of the previous govt. All the shops are now propped up through Tax Credits and the capitalist shop owners are delighted that the govt. is now out of the shop business but is instead subsidising wages and providing cheap labour from Eastern Europe. Unfortunately, the countries overall government debt is over a trillion quid and know one knows when it's all going to come crashing down on us. Youth unemployment is at over 2 million, but hey...who cares?[/p][/quote]a few problems with your analysis "18 years later, the people vote in a socialist government who reintroduces socialism back into the system. The party who was the Right Wing govt. shift to the left and carry on the socialist policies of the previous govt." no the people didn't. they voted in 'new labour' this is considered by Tories and socialists as a bad move. the new labour movement was a failure. Tory Blair sent Isaiah Berlin a letter prior to coming to power. The letter asked if positive and negative liberty could exists in a single system. Berlin died before he could reply but he would have properly said "no you stupid fool" Tony Blair went ahead with this flawed government ideology which proved to be a financial and political disaster. Tony Blair et al where not socialists. socialism of the sixties and seventies failed because of international trade changes, technological advances and huge UK trade deficits. the UK was the 'old man of Europe' its factories (state owned and private) where inefficient and lacked investment. The unions had become militant, yes, but the factories where places of heavy manufacturing, UK coal mining was dangerous work, everything was more labour intensive and more dangerous. working people where underpaid (more-so in the private sector) it was a bleak time. Socialism wasn't to blame, but it sure as hell got the blame.[/p][/quote]Glad to read that you agree with my analysis which was actually a take down of your wish for a Socialist Utopia. New Labour was the re-introduction of Socialism without a Soviet face. Tax Credits = Socialism, Minimum Wage = Socialism, further integration with the EU = Socialism, Unchecked Immigration = Socialism, Political Correctness = Socialism, Multiculturalism = Socialism, Climate Change = Socialism, Bailing out the Banks = Socialism, Auxiliary Police Forces = Socialism, higher band of taxation = Socialism, more landlords than ever = Socialism..etc We're back in the mid-70s except this time the IMF won't be able to bail us out. The end of Socialism actually came when Jim Callaghan went begging to the IMF for a bailout. He admitted Keynes-ism was a failure, but that speech has gone into the ether...most likely ignored by Socialists like yourself. The End.[/p][/quote]Socialism, Multiculturalism.! No. private enterprise or 'a cheap workforce/slave-forc e' was the vehicle for modern multiculturalism, of course, The UK has always been and always will be 'multicultural' Political Correctness, this was originally a US political concept that bled into UK culture (as most things do). Auxiliary Police Forces = Socialism.. I'm so confused by this association I'm not sure how to address it. This is perhaps you only correct assumption. rich people pay more tax. Congratulations! Tax Credits = Socialism. I think you will find that the US have a similar system only without the structure of PAYE. Bailing out the Banks = Socialism... I'm just going to laugh really loudly at this observation. A socialist government would have stripped the bank of its assets, transferred its accounts and customers to a state created bank and imprisoned the bankers for financial crimes. That should be enough. The rest of your observations do not warrant a response on the grounds of common sense.. to put things simply for you. there are two things that get an economy or a country in trouble. 1) greed 2) self service... jayman
  • Score: 1

5:02pm Sat 30 Aug 14

drbeat says...

jayman wrote:
drbeat wrote:
jayman wrote:
drbeat wrote:
jayman wrote:
drbeat wrote:
jayman wrote:
Another right-wing scumbag who wants to serve himself even further. What a complete non-entity.

boy "mum... I want to be a Tory politician"

the mum "where did I go so wrong!!"

this conversational, political paradigm is enhanced if the acronym UKIP is substituted for word Tory.

Imagine the logical instability that would arise from this conversational concept if the boy was not a boy but a grown man who had indeed been in receipt of some form of rudimentary political education while spending most of his time in elite institutional education, avoiding the unwanted and inappropriate attention of the prefect.
Imagine a scenario where your credit card is declined in a shop due to lack of funds, here are the following left and right wing outcomes:

Right Winger:

Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined"
Right Winger: "oh sorry, my fault, I've got no money"
...then walks out the shop, learns his/her lesson.

Left Winger

Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined"
Left Winger: proceeds to smash up the shop, loot the place. Wave a banner displaying the shop owners are fascist nazi scum. Swings off the nearest WW1 memorial, smashes up some other shops, does a bit more looting, blames Thatcher for the world's woes, gets arrested. pleads "everything was taken out of context" and then joins the Labour Party.
I believe in your antagonistic example you are describing the mentality of an anarchist, not a socialist.

try this.

The shop sells goods that are of or have a 'a common social value' the socialist government will nationalise the shop. fix the prices at an affordable level while allowing direct competition from other retailers.

The right-wing conservative comes along, he vilifies the shop workers and makes claims that the shop is not viable (it is) he owns the other shops that are in direct competition to the state owned shop. eventually he strips the shop
So nearly 50 years of failed post war consensus comes to nothing?

So what happens when the workers in the state on shop demand higher wages? And then they don't get those wages their union calls a strike. The Socialist shop owner gives in and pays them higher wages resulting in higher prices for the goods within. Everyone then decides to go to the private shops where they know they can get the goods cheaper.

The workers of the state owned shop carry on demanding higher wages, but because the products they supply are not in demand, due to higher prices, the Socialist shop owner declines their demands. So the shop workers go on strike again and so the Socialist shop owner gives in and gives them a payrise.

By this time, the Socialist shop is suffering from rampant inflation so as a result, the Socialist shop owner decides to raise business rates and taxation for all the other private shops. As a result of that, the private shops raise their prices but point the finger of blame at the Socialist shop.

Due to rising product prices in both socialist and private shops, customers then start demanding wage increases from their employers. Some get the increase but others don't, the Socialist shop owner stands back and does nothing.

Now there is rampant inflation in the whole system and everyone wants more money to cover higher costs of living. The Socialist Shop owner addresses this by introducing a wage limit for his shop workers. The workers go on strike.

To address the inflation situation overall, the Socialist shop owner introduces 90% taxation and raises interest rates, business rates and everything else to persuade people not to eat. Suddenly everyone goes on strike.

A year later, the people vote in a right wing government who blows socialism out of the system. 18 years later, the people vote in a socialist government who reintroduces socialism back into the system. The party who was the Right Wing govt. shift to the left and carry on the socialist policies of the previous govt.

All the shops are now propped up through Tax Credits and the capitalist shop owners are delighted that the govt. is now out of the shop business but is instead subsidising wages and providing cheap labour from Eastern Europe.

Unfortunately, the countries overall government debt is over a trillion quid and know one knows when it's all going to come crashing down on us. Youth unemployment is at over 2 million, but hey...who cares?
a few problems with your analysis

"18 years later, the people vote in a socialist government who reintroduces socialism back into the system. The party who was the Right Wing govt. shift to the left and carry on the socialist policies of the previous govt."

no the people didn't. they voted in 'new labour' this is considered by Tories and socialists as a bad move. the new labour movement was a failure. Tory Blair sent Isaiah Berlin a letter prior to coming to power. The letter asked if positive and negative liberty could exists in a single system. Berlin died before he could reply but he would have properly said "no you stupid fool" Tony Blair went ahead with this flawed government ideology which proved to be a financial and political disaster.

Tony Blair et al where not socialists.

socialism of the sixties and seventies failed because of international trade changes, technological advances and huge UK trade deficits. the UK was the 'old man of Europe' its factories (state owned and private) where inefficient and lacked investment. The unions had become militant, yes, but the factories where places of heavy manufacturing, UK coal mining was dangerous work, everything was more labour intensive and more dangerous. working people where underpaid (more-so in the private sector) it was a bleak time.

Socialism wasn't to blame, but it sure as hell got the blame.
Glad to read that you agree with my analysis which was actually a take down of your wish for a Socialist Utopia.

New Labour was the re-introduction of Socialism without a Soviet face. Tax Credits = Socialism, Minimum Wage = Socialism, further integration with the EU = Socialism, Unchecked Immigration = Socialism, Political Correctness = Socialism, Multiculturalism = Socialism, Climate Change = Socialism, Bailing out the Banks = Socialism, Auxiliary Police Forces = Socialism, higher band of taxation = Socialism, more landlords than ever = Socialism..etc

We're back in the mid-70s except this time the IMF won't be able to bail us out.

The end of Socialism actually came when Jim Callaghan went begging to the IMF for a bailout. He admitted Keynes-ism was a failure, but that speech has gone into the ether...most likely ignored by Socialists like yourself.

The End.
Socialism, Multiculturalism.! No. private enterprise or 'a cheap workforce/slave-forc

e' was the vehicle for modern multiculturalism, of course, The UK has always been and always will be 'multicultural'

Political Correctness, this was originally a US political concept that bled into UK culture (as most things do).

Auxiliary Police Forces = Socialism.. I'm so confused by this association I'm not sure how to address it.

This is perhaps you only correct assumption. rich people pay more tax. Congratulations!

Tax Credits = Socialism. I think you will find that the US have a similar system only without the structure of PAYE.

Bailing out the Banks = Socialism... I'm just going to laugh really loudly at this observation. A socialist government would have stripped the bank of its assets, transferred its accounts and customers to a state created bank and imprisoned the bankers for financial crimes.

That should be enough. The rest of your observations do not warrant a response on the grounds of common sense..

to put things simply for you. there are two things that get an economy or a country in trouble. 1) greed 2) self service...
Ahh...a misguided Socialist, like Karl Marx himself.
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: Another right-wing scumbag who wants to serve himself even further. What a complete non-entity. boy "mum... I want to be a Tory politician" the mum "where did I go so wrong!!" this conversational, political paradigm is enhanced if the acronym UKIP is substituted for word Tory. Imagine the logical instability that would arise from this conversational concept if the boy was not a boy but a grown man who had indeed been in receipt of some form of rudimentary political education while spending most of his time in elite institutional education, avoiding the unwanted and inappropriate attention of the prefect.[/p][/quote]Imagine a scenario where your credit card is declined in a shop due to lack of funds, here are the following left and right wing outcomes: Right Winger: Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined" Right Winger: "oh sorry, my fault, I've got no money" ...then walks out the shop, learns his/her lesson. Left Winger Till worker: "sorry sir your card has been declined" Left Winger: proceeds to smash up the shop, loot the place. Wave a banner displaying the shop owners are fascist nazi scum. Swings off the nearest WW1 memorial, smashes up some other shops, does a bit more looting, blames Thatcher for the world's woes, gets arrested. pleads "everything was taken out of context" and then joins the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]I believe in your antagonistic example you are describing the mentality of an anarchist, not a socialist. try this. The shop sells goods that are of or have a 'a common social value' the socialist government will nationalise the shop. fix the prices at an affordable level while allowing direct competition from other retailers. The right-wing conservative comes along, he vilifies the shop workers and makes claims that the shop is not viable (it is) he owns the other shops that are in direct competition to the state owned shop. eventually he strips the shop[ of all its assets and sells the shop for one tenth its actual value. the UKIP politician will do all the awful things the Tory politician did but he will simply add a thatched roof to the privatised shop.[/p][/quote]So nearly 50 years of failed post war consensus comes to nothing? So what happens when the workers in the state on shop demand higher wages? And then they don't get those wages their union calls a strike. The Socialist shop owner gives in and pays them higher wages resulting in higher prices for the goods within. Everyone then decides to go to the private shops where they know they can get the goods cheaper. The workers of the state owned shop carry on demanding higher wages, but because the products they supply are not in demand, due to higher prices, the Socialist shop owner declines their demands. So the shop workers go on strike again and so the Socialist shop owner gives in and gives them a payrise. By this time, the Socialist shop is suffering from rampant inflation so as a result, the Socialist shop owner decides to raise business rates and taxation for all the other private shops. As a result of that, the private shops raise their prices but point the finger of blame at the Socialist shop. Due to rising product prices in both socialist and private shops, customers then start demanding wage increases from their employers. Some get the increase but others don't, the Socialist shop owner stands back and does nothing. Now there is rampant inflation in the whole system and everyone wants more money to cover higher costs of living. The Socialist Shop owner addresses this by introducing a wage limit for his shop workers. The workers go on strike. To address the inflation situation overall, the Socialist shop owner introduces 90% taxation and raises interest rates, business rates and everything else to persuade people not to eat. Suddenly everyone goes on strike. A year later, the people vote in a right wing government who blows socialism out of the system. 18 years later, the people vote in a socialist government who reintroduces socialism back into the system. The party who was the Right Wing govt. shift to the left and carry on the socialist policies of the previous govt. All the shops are now propped up through Tax Credits and the capitalist shop owners are delighted that the govt. is now out of the shop business but is instead subsidising wages and providing cheap labour from Eastern Europe. Unfortunately, the countries overall government debt is over a trillion quid and know one knows when it's all going to come crashing down on us. Youth unemployment is at over 2 million, but hey...who cares?[/p][/quote]a few problems with your analysis "18 years later, the people vote in a socialist government who reintroduces socialism back into the system. The party who was the Right Wing govt. shift to the left and carry on the socialist policies of the previous govt." no the people didn't. they voted in 'new labour' this is considered by Tories and socialists as a bad move. the new labour movement was a failure. Tory Blair sent Isaiah Berlin a letter prior to coming to power. The letter asked if positive and negative liberty could exists in a single system. Berlin died before he could reply but he would have properly said "no you stupid fool" Tony Blair went ahead with this flawed government ideology which proved to be a financial and political disaster. Tony Blair et al where not socialists. socialism of the sixties and seventies failed because of international trade changes, technological advances and huge UK trade deficits. the UK was the 'old man of Europe' its factories (state owned and private) where inefficient and lacked investment. The unions had become militant, yes, but the factories where places of heavy manufacturing, UK coal mining was dangerous work, everything was more labour intensive and more dangerous. working people where underpaid (more-so in the private sector) it was a bleak time. Socialism wasn't to blame, but it sure as hell got the blame.[/p][/quote]Glad to read that you agree with my analysis which was actually a take down of your wish for a Socialist Utopia. New Labour was the re-introduction of Socialism without a Soviet face. Tax Credits = Socialism, Minimum Wage = Socialism, further integration with the EU = Socialism, Unchecked Immigration = Socialism, Political Correctness = Socialism, Multiculturalism = Socialism, Climate Change = Socialism, Bailing out the Banks = Socialism, Auxiliary Police Forces = Socialism, higher band of taxation = Socialism, more landlords than ever = Socialism..etc We're back in the mid-70s except this time the IMF won't be able to bail us out. The end of Socialism actually came when Jim Callaghan went begging to the IMF for a bailout. He admitted Keynes-ism was a failure, but that speech has gone into the ether...most likely ignored by Socialists like yourself. The End.[/p][/quote]Socialism, Multiculturalism.! No. private enterprise or 'a cheap workforce/slave-forc e' was the vehicle for modern multiculturalism, of course, The UK has always been and always will be 'multicultural' Political Correctness, this was originally a US political concept that bled into UK culture (as most things do). Auxiliary Police Forces = Socialism.. I'm so confused by this association I'm not sure how to address it. This is perhaps you only correct assumption. rich people pay more tax. Congratulations! Tax Credits = Socialism. I think you will find that the US have a similar system only without the structure of PAYE. Bailing out the Banks = Socialism... I'm just going to laugh really loudly at this observation. A socialist government would have stripped the bank of its assets, transferred its accounts and customers to a state created bank and imprisoned the bankers for financial crimes. That should be enough. The rest of your observations do not warrant a response on the grounds of common sense.. to put things simply for you. there are two things that get an economy or a country in trouble. 1) greed 2) self service...[/p][/quote]Ahh...a misguided Socialist, like Karl Marx himself. drbeat
  • Score: 0

7:34pm Sat 30 Aug 14

drbeat says...

Our 'Progressive' Elite's latest achievement, this is a direct result of the Left:

Milton Keynes Mayor Resigns After Vouching for Rapist for Taxi Licence Application

http://www.breitbart

.com/Breitbart-Londo

n/2014/08/29/Milton-

Keynes-Mayor-Resigns

-Over-Licensing-Sex-

Offender

How long are we going to continue with tolerating the Left's complete disregard for Law & Order and public safety?

What the hell am I paying taxes for? Probably to fund left wing experiments into multiculturalism.
Our 'Progressive' Elite's latest achievement, this is a direct result of the Left: Milton Keynes Mayor Resigns After Vouching for Rapist for Taxi Licence Application http://www.breitbart .com/Breitbart-Londo n/2014/08/29/Milton- Keynes-Mayor-Resigns -Over-Licensing-Sex- Offender How long are we going to continue with tolerating the Left's complete disregard for Law & Order and public safety? What the hell am I paying taxes for? Probably to fund left wing experiments into multiculturalism. drbeat
  • Score: 3

1:08pm Sun 31 Aug 14

ThisYear says...

drbeat wrote:
Our 'Progressive' Elite's latest achievement, this is a direct result of the Left:

Milton Keynes Mayor Resigns After Vouching for Rapist for Taxi Licence Application

http://www.breitbart


.com/Breitbart-Londo


n/2014/08/29/Milton-


Keynes-Mayor-Resigns


-Over-Licensing-Sex-


Offender

How long are we going to continue with tolerating the Left's complete disregard for Law & Order and public safety?

What the hell am I paying taxes for? Probably to fund left wing experiments into multiculturalism.
Do you think that such disregard by Tories couldn't also be posted?

To what goal?

What would citing tory against labour misdemeanours or criminal activity achieve?

A vote for whom?
[quote][p][bold]drbeat[/bold] wrote: Our 'Progressive' Elite's latest achievement, this is a direct result of the Left: Milton Keynes Mayor Resigns After Vouching for Rapist for Taxi Licence Application http://www.breitbart .com/Breitbart-Londo n/2014/08/29/Milton- Keynes-Mayor-Resigns -Over-Licensing-Sex- Offender How long are we going to continue with tolerating the Left's complete disregard for Law & Order and public safety? What the hell am I paying taxes for? Probably to fund left wing experiments into multiculturalism.[/p][/quote]Do you think that such disregard by Tories couldn't also be posted? To what goal? What would citing tory against labour misdemeanours or criminal activity achieve? A vote for whom? ThisYear
  • Score: 2

1:20pm Sun 31 Aug 14

VanessaKushner says...

The Tories have only themselves to blame for the rise of UKIP. The political establishment of the last 50 years have only themselves to blame. Mass immigration for the sake of social engineering, pandering to ethnic minorities who should have felt lucky to be let in the door, turning a blind eye to FGM, the Trojan Horse scandal, Rotherham, London, Oxford, Rochdale - a great nation and a great culture debased and betrayed . Lies, lies, lies and more lies. They can't even control the nation's borders - they'd pave over the whole of Essex for housing for EU migrants in a heartbeat and never look back. They are not on our side - they hate us, have massive contempt for us . They can consider themselves lucky several millions of us haven't marched on London to drag them out of their offices. They will never get us our country back.
The Tories have only themselves to blame for the rise of UKIP. The political establishment of the last 50 years have only themselves to blame. Mass immigration for the sake of social engineering, pandering to ethnic minorities who should have felt lucky to be let in the door, turning a blind eye to FGM, the Trojan Horse scandal, Rotherham, London, Oxford, Rochdale - a great nation and a great culture debased and betrayed . Lies, lies, lies and more lies. They can't even control the nation's borders - they'd pave over the whole of Essex for housing for EU migrants in a heartbeat and never look back. They are not on our side - they hate us, have massive contempt for us . They can consider themselves lucky several millions of us haven't marched on London to drag them out of their offices. They will never get us our country back. VanessaKushner
  • Score: 2

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