Why the waiting for traveller decision?

FEARS have been raised about the length of time it is taking to decide whether travellers, who set up an illegal site in Thundersley, can stay.

Residents are still waiting to hear whether a three-pitch site on Janda Fields, off Fane Road, will be approved or scrapped.

Miles and Michael McCarthy set up the site without planning permission, but a decision on whether they can stay has still not been made.

Communities and Local Government secretary, Eric Pickles, was expected to make the decision, but it is now being made by someone else in his department.

Bill Dick, Tory borough councillor for St Peter’s ward, said: “This is beyond a joke.

“It’s not like they have had this appeal for a week, it’s been going on months.

“I am not amused. One minute Eric Pickles is making the decision the next he is not.

“They are treating people like idiots and it’s getting like Basildon’s Dale Farm. If the appeal goes against the travellers they will appeal again and it could take years.”

The McCarthys applied retrospectively to Castle Point Council, but that was refused, so they appealed to Mr Pickles in May last year.

He was supposed to make a decision by October 28 last year, but still nothing has been decided and Mr Pickles has said it won’t be him who decides whether the appeal is granted.

Mr Pickles, Tory MP for Brentwood and Ongar, said: “I don’t deal with any planning law in Essex as I am a proprietor.”

When questioned on his stance about building on greenbelt, he added: “There has to be exceptional reasons to build on greenbelt.

We get appeals coming in on a regular basis to build on greenbelt and 99 times out of 100 they are chucked out.”

During a public inquiry into the application, Government inspector Simon Hand admitted his department had a backlog of traveller site cases.

In July last year, it was revealed the site was one of 24 such cases “called in” over fears inspectors were not taking concerns about the green belt seriously enough.

A spokeswoman for the Department for Communities and Local Government said: “Another minister in the department will decide this appeal.

“It’s got to be clear that everything has to be above board so ministers step aside from making decisions so they aren’t thought to be seen to have a connection.

“There have been a number of traveller appeals that the department is looking at which may have led to the delay.”

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6:11am Wed 7 May 14

Keptquiettillnow says...

Loads of people have 'Exceptional reasons' to build on the green belt in this area. Just have a walk about and look at all the new buildings being built. Its all green belt.
Loads of people have 'Exceptional reasons' to build on the green belt in this area. Just have a walk about and look at all the new buildings being built. Its all green belt. Keptquiettillnow
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7:19am Wed 7 May 14

Richy don't shine shoes no more says...

Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.
Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place. Richy don't shine shoes no more
  • Score: -29

9:17am Wed 7 May 14

InTheKnowOk says...

It's all a crock of shyte. ... These non travellers lead the life of riley, if we pitched up caravans on this, or any other piece of land, we would be turfed off pronto. What gives them carte blanche? ...
I have mates that struggle with paying rents of over £750 a month because they can't afford the deposit for a mortgage, some are couples with double incomes. I reckon they should invest in a waggon and park it up on greenbelt and start up a whole new community, just think of the character we could add to the place... Yeah!!! ....
It's all a crock of shyte. ... These non travellers lead the life of riley, if we pitched up caravans on this, or any other piece of land, we would be turfed off pronto. What gives them carte blanche? ... I have mates that struggle with paying rents of over £750 a month because they can't afford the deposit for a mortgage, some are couples with double incomes. I reckon they should invest in a waggon and park it up on greenbelt and start up a whole new community, just think of the character we could add to the place... Yeah!!! .... InTheKnowOk
  • Score: 18

9:21am Wed 7 May 14

angryofessex says...

Keep Ireland tidy, dump your sh*t in Essex.
Keep Ireland tidy, dump your sh*t in Essex. angryofessex
  • Score: 18

11:26am Wed 7 May 14

Kim Gandy says...

Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote:
Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.
What absolute rubbish.

Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor.

I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm.

You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them.

Let's see how long you last.

Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help.

If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately.

One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that.

If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone.

No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.
[quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.[/p][/quote]What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 10

12:04pm Wed 7 May 14

Richy don't shine shoes no more says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.
What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.
Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.[/p][/quote]What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.[/p][/quote]Don't they own the land at Dale Farm? Richy don't shine shoes no more
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1:08pm Wed 7 May 14

Kim Gandy says...

Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.
What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.
Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?
Shows how misinformed you are. There is a whole load of information you have chosen to ignore. They only earned a section of it but the fact remains they did not have planning permission. They ended up building on it and on adjacent land. They are now living in the road but slowly moving back on.

If people like you bothered to avail themselves of the full facts instead of half **** stories, we might all be better off.

They have lived there illegally for THIRTEEN YEARS. They have cost the community taxpayers untold billions in legal costs, schooling and all the services they have used and abused, the illegal businesses they have blatantly and openly carried out and a whole load of other stuff you will never know about.

I was a resident of Crays Hill and a governor of the school. I know what went on and I know how my family and I personally suffered as a result.

If you bothered to read the newspaper reports, not just the Echo but other publications and spoke to the locals including English gypsies and Romanies who also suffered, you might actually know what you are talking about.

That's the trouble with folk on here: spout off about things they know absolutely zero about. Then name call those of us who do.

Like I said, you're so big hearted, you find somewhere close to your house, your garden even. All those of you who mouth off don't actually DO anything.

At least at one point I tried to negotiate with them both in front of TV cameras and off camera.

But they do NOT want to integrate. They want it all their own way and constantly abuse this community.

Go and do your research and ask people face to face what it's like and then come back here and comment. Don't comment without the FACTS.
[quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.[/p][/quote]What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.[/p][/quote]Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?[/p][/quote]Shows how misinformed you are. There is a whole load of information you have chosen to ignore. They only earned a section of it but the fact remains they did not have planning permission. They ended up building on it and on adjacent land. They are now living in the road but slowly moving back on. If people like you bothered to avail themselves of the full facts instead of half **** stories, we might all be better off. They have lived there illegally for THIRTEEN YEARS. They have cost the community taxpayers untold billions in legal costs, schooling and all the services they have used and abused, the illegal businesses they have blatantly and openly carried out and a whole load of other stuff you will never know about. I was a resident of Crays Hill and a governor of the school. I know what went on and I know how my family and I personally suffered as a result. If you bothered to read the newspaper reports, not just the Echo but other publications and spoke to the locals including English gypsies and Romanies who also suffered, you might actually know what you are talking about. That's the trouble with folk on here: spout off about things they know absolutely zero about. Then name call those of us who do. Like I said, you're so big hearted, you find somewhere close to your house, your garden even. All those of you who mouth off don't actually DO anything. At least at one point I tried to negotiate with them both in front of TV cameras and off camera. But they do NOT want to integrate. They want it all their own way and constantly abuse this community. Go and do your research and ask people face to face what it's like and then come back here and comment. Don't comment without the FACTS. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 8

1:10pm Wed 7 May 14

Chris Flunk says...

Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.
What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.
Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?
They own the land at Janda Fields too. That shouldn't give someone the right to develop green belt land, apply for retrospective planning permission and stay on the land for years while repeatedly raising costly appeals and legal challenges.

These situations should be fast-tracked. If you develop green belt land without planning permission, the site should be immediately returned to pristine condition at the owner's expense.
[quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.[/p][/quote]What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.[/p][/quote]Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?[/p][/quote]They own the land at Janda Fields too. That shouldn't give someone the right to develop green belt land, apply for retrospective planning permission and stay on the land for years while repeatedly raising costly appeals and legal challenges. These situations should be fast-tracked. If you develop green belt land without planning permission, the site should be immediately returned to pristine condition at the owner's expense. Chris Flunk
  • Score: 11

1:27pm Wed 7 May 14

Kim Gandy says...

This is taken from Wikepedia...

"After the decision to clear the site, the Council prepared budgetary statements for costs, with a worst case expense estimated at £8 million. Before the injunction of 19 September, the Council said that "The estimated direct operational cost of £6.5m together with estimated post operational costs of £1.5m produce a total of £8m." Predictions of the total cost of eviction varied up to £18 million, including legal costs.

In 2012 Basildon Council confirmed that the Dale Farm eviction cost them £4.8 million. This amount included £1.6 million due to contractor expenses resulting from the High Court injunction in September. Essex Police announced that its costs were £2.4 million, and the Home Office had pledged to contribute up to £4.65 million to policing costs. The Department for Communities and Local Government also contributed £1.2 million.

Legal aid to residents from 2005 to September 2011 totalled £188,000; costs were paid by the Legal Services Commission. During later court hearings the travellers were represented on a pro-bono basis."

I haven't the time to do your research for you but over the years I have seen the true cost to the community and individuals and families within it. The above doesn't even take into account the ongoing cost of their use of local services that they don't pay for. Also the expensive and pointless Ethnic Minority and Traveller "Achievement" Service that the taxpayer funds to the tune of £440,806 and that was just for 2013-14. Absolutely atrocious.

The true cost of Dale Farm may well never be revealed. But the cost to the community will echo down the generations including my family.

So save your sympathy for the real victims who footed the bill but got nothing but grief in return.

And still it goes on...
This is taken from Wikepedia... "After the decision to clear the site, the Council prepared budgetary statements for costs, with a worst case expense estimated at £8 million. Before the injunction of 19 September, the Council said that "The estimated direct operational cost of £6.5m together with estimated post operational costs of £1.5m produce a total of £8m."[5] Predictions of the total cost of eviction varied up to £18 million, including legal costs. In 2012 Basildon Council confirmed that the Dale Farm eviction cost them £4.8 million.[50] This amount included £1.6 million due to contractor expenses resulting from the High Court injunction in September. Essex Police announced that its costs were £2.4 million, and the Home Office had pledged to contribute up to £4.65 million to policing costs. The Department for Communities and Local Government also contributed £1.2 million. Legal aid to residents from 2005 to September 2011 totalled £188,000;[51] costs were paid by the Legal Services Commission. During later court hearings the travellers were represented on a pro-bono basis." I haven't the time to do your research for you but over the years I have seen the true cost to the community and individuals and families within it. The above doesn't even take into account the ongoing cost of their use of local services that they don't pay for. Also the expensive and pointless Ethnic Minority and Traveller "Achievement" Service that the taxpayer funds to the tune of £440,806 and that was just for 2013-14. Absolutely atrocious. The true cost of Dale Farm may well never be revealed. But the cost to the community will echo down the generations including my family. So save your sympathy for the real victims who footed the bill but got nothing but grief in return. And still it goes on... Kim Gandy
  • Score: 7

1:41pm Wed 7 May 14

Kim Gandy says...

..and you can down arrow all you like...

it won't change the truth.
..and you can down arrow all you like... it won't change the truth. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 7

1:55pm Wed 7 May 14

Richy don't shine shoes no more says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
This is taken from Wikepedia... "After the decision to clear the site, the Council prepared budgetary statements for costs, with a worst case expense estimated at £8 million. Before the injunction of 19 September, the Council said that "The estimated direct operational cost of £6.5m together with estimated post operational costs of £1.5m produce a total of £8m." Predictions of the total cost of eviction varied up to £18 million, including legal costs. In 2012 Basildon Council confirmed that the Dale Farm eviction cost them £4.8 million. This amount included £1.6 million due to contractor expenses resulting from the High Court injunction in September. Essex Police announced that its costs were £2.4 million, and the Home Office had pledged to contribute up to £4.65 million to policing costs. The Department for Communities and Local Government also contributed £1.2 million. Legal aid to residents from 2005 to September 2011 totalled £188,000; costs were paid by the Legal Services Commission. During later court hearings the travellers were represented on a pro-bono basis." I haven't the time to do your research for you but over the years I have seen the true cost to the community and individuals and families within it. The above doesn't even take into account the ongoing cost of their use of local services that they don't pay for. Also the expensive and pointless Ethnic Minority and Traveller "Achievement" Service that the taxpayer funds to the tune of £440,806 and that was just for 2013-14. Absolutely atrocious. The true cost of Dale Farm may well never be revealed. But the cost to the community will echo down the generations including my family. So save your sympathy for the real victims who footed the bill but got nothing but grief in return. And still it goes on...
Lots of stuff on the internet about Dale Farm, some of it with your name attached which if not taken with a pinch of salt paints an awful picture.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: This is taken from Wikepedia... "After the decision to clear the site, the Council prepared budgetary statements for costs, with a worst case expense estimated at £8 million. Before the injunction of 19 September, the Council said that "The estimated direct operational cost of £6.5m together with estimated post operational costs of £1.5m produce a total of £8m."[5] Predictions of the total cost of eviction varied up to £18 million, including legal costs. In 2012 Basildon Council confirmed that the Dale Farm eviction cost them £4.8 million.[50] This amount included £1.6 million due to contractor expenses resulting from the High Court injunction in September. Essex Police announced that its costs were £2.4 million, and the Home Office had pledged to contribute up to £4.65 million to policing costs. The Department for Communities and Local Government also contributed £1.2 million. Legal aid to residents from 2005 to September 2011 totalled £188,000;[51] costs were paid by the Legal Services Commission. During later court hearings the travellers were represented on a pro-bono basis." I haven't the time to do your research for you but over the years I have seen the true cost to the community and individuals and families within it. The above doesn't even take into account the ongoing cost of their use of local services that they don't pay for. Also the expensive and pointless Ethnic Minority and Traveller "Achievement" Service that the taxpayer funds to the tune of £440,806 and that was just for 2013-14. Absolutely atrocious. The true cost of Dale Farm may well never be revealed. But the cost to the community will echo down the generations including my family. So save your sympathy for the real victims who footed the bill but got nothing but grief in return. And still it goes on...[/p][/quote]Lots of stuff on the internet about Dale Farm, some of it with your name attached which if not taken with a pinch of salt paints an awful picture. Richy don't shine shoes no more
  • Score: -8

2:20pm Wed 7 May 14

Abington86 says...

and lets not forget the Mayor of Basildon wasting £1000 after someone took a photo of her on her phone! The 1K was the cost of the investigation the Mayor asked for. Is it a crime to take a photo?

and then there was the massive amount of cash wasted after said Mayor asked police to investigate a clip of her on Utube.

So there is waste everywhere Ms Gandy. Just some amounts have many noughts after them and some do not. Rightly -or wrongly -there will always be waste in public spending.

And it is generally accepted not to believe everything one reads on wikipedia. A bit like not really believing everything you say.

BTW -do you support the Mayor of Basildon this week or loathe her? We really should be told.
and lets not forget the Mayor of Basildon wasting £1000 after someone took a photo of her on her phone! The 1K was the cost of the investigation the Mayor asked for. Is it a crime to take a photo? and then there was the massive amount of cash wasted after said Mayor asked police to investigate a clip of her on Utube. So there is waste everywhere Ms Gandy. Just some amounts have many noughts after them and some do not. Rightly -or wrongly -there will always be waste in public spending. And it is generally accepted not to believe everything one reads on wikipedia. A bit like not really believing everything you say. BTW -do you support the Mayor of Basildon this week or loathe her? We really should be told. Abington86
  • Score: -7

2:21pm Wed 7 May 14

Kim Gandy says...

Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
This is taken from Wikepedia... "After the decision to clear the site, the Council prepared budgetary statements for costs, with a worst case expense estimated at £8 million. Before the injunction of 19 September, the Council said that "The estimated direct operational cost of £6.5m together with estimated post operational costs of £1.5m produce a total of £8m." Predictions of the total cost of eviction varied up to £18 million, including legal costs. In 2012 Basildon Council confirmed that the Dale Farm eviction cost them £4.8 million. This amount included £1.6 million due to contractor expenses resulting from the High Court injunction in September. Essex Police announced that its costs were £2.4 million, and the Home Office had pledged to contribute up to £4.65 million to policing costs. The Department for Communities and Local Government also contributed £1.2 million. Legal aid to residents from 2005 to September 2011 totalled £188,000; costs were paid by the Legal Services Commission. During later court hearings the travellers were represented on a pro-bono basis." I haven't the time to do your research for you but over the years I have seen the true cost to the community and individuals and families within it. The above doesn't even take into account the ongoing cost of their use of local services that they don't pay for. Also the expensive and pointless Ethnic Minority and Traveller "Achievement" Service that the taxpayer funds to the tune of £440,806 and that was just for 2013-14. Absolutely atrocious. The true cost of Dale Farm may well never be revealed. But the cost to the community will echo down the generations including my family. So save your sympathy for the real victims who footed the bill but got nothing but grief in return. And still it goes on...
Lots of stuff on the internet about Dale Farm, some of it with your name attached which if not taken with a pinch of salt paints an awful picture.
Oh do dry up. I've beaten you with a few facts and you can't take it.

Get some proper research done including stuff under FoI if you know what that is.

Of course you will see my name, I was involved with the school. I am more entitled to an opinion than somebody like you . I lived it and it affected my life irrevocably.

You are yet another bleeding heart who hasn't a clue.

There is far more information about Dale Farm than just stuff with my name attached to it.

You just cannot be bothered to do your research.

Keep down arrowing all you like. Like I said, it won't change the truth. Something you are not familiar with because you only see what suits you.

Your argument is weak and lame and I tore it to shreds with my first response.

It's something I know about and have experienced therefore my comments have more validity.

Have the grace to concede when others know more than you do.
[quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: This is taken from Wikepedia... "After the decision to clear the site, the Council prepared budgetary statements for costs, with a worst case expense estimated at £8 million. Before the injunction of 19 September, the Council said that "The estimated direct operational cost of £6.5m together with estimated post operational costs of £1.5m produce a total of £8m."[5] Predictions of the total cost of eviction varied up to £18 million, including legal costs. In 2012 Basildon Council confirmed that the Dale Farm eviction cost them £4.8 million.[50] This amount included £1.6 million due to contractor expenses resulting from the High Court injunction in September. Essex Police announced that its costs were £2.4 million, and the Home Office had pledged to contribute up to £4.65 million to policing costs. The Department for Communities and Local Government also contributed £1.2 million. Legal aid to residents from 2005 to September 2011 totalled £188,000;[51] costs were paid by the Legal Services Commission. During later court hearings the travellers were represented on a pro-bono basis." I haven't the time to do your research for you but over the years I have seen the true cost to the community and individuals and families within it. The above doesn't even take into account the ongoing cost of their use of local services that they don't pay for. Also the expensive and pointless Ethnic Minority and Traveller "Achievement" Service that the taxpayer funds to the tune of £440,806 and that was just for 2013-14. Absolutely atrocious. The true cost of Dale Farm may well never be revealed. But the cost to the community will echo down the generations including my family. So save your sympathy for the real victims who footed the bill but got nothing but grief in return. And still it goes on...[/p][/quote]Lots of stuff on the internet about Dale Farm, some of it with your name attached which if not taken with a pinch of salt paints an awful picture.[/p][/quote]Oh do dry up. I've beaten you with a few facts and you can't take it. Get some proper research done including stuff under FoI if you know what that is. Of course you will see my name, I was involved with the school. I am more entitled to an opinion than somebody like you . I lived it and it affected my life irrevocably. You are yet another bleeding heart who hasn't a clue. There is far more information about Dale Farm than just stuff with my name attached to it. You just cannot be bothered to do your research. Keep down arrowing all you like. Like I said, it won't change the truth. Something you are not familiar with because you only see what suits you. Your argument is weak and lame and I tore it to shreds with my first response. It's something I know about and have experienced therefore my comments have more validity. Have the grace to concede when others know more than you do. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 2

2:26pm Wed 7 May 14

Kim Gandy says...

Chris Flunk wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.
What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.
Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?
They own the land at Janda Fields too. That shouldn't give someone the right to develop green belt land, apply for retrospective planning permission and stay on the land for years while repeatedly raising costly appeals and legal challenges.

These situations should be fast-tracked. If you develop green belt land without planning permission, the site should be immediately returned to pristine condition at the owner's expense.
And Richie and other down arrowers ...how come you are not taking issue with this post which says similar to mine?

Or is it just good old fashioned sexism? Something you lefties say you don't like.

Others have posted similar and even more vociferous opinions above and in past postings but you have not taken issue with them either.

Got you bang to rights.... discrimination!
[quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.[/p][/quote]What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.[/p][/quote]Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?[/p][/quote]They own the land at Janda Fields too. That shouldn't give someone the right to develop green belt land, apply for retrospective planning permission and stay on the land for years while repeatedly raising costly appeals and legal challenges. These situations should be fast-tracked. If you develop green belt land without planning permission, the site should be immediately returned to pristine condition at the owner's expense.[/p][/quote]And Richie and other down arrowers ...how come you are not taking issue with this post which says similar to mine? Or is it just good old fashioned sexism? Something you lefties say you don't like. Others have posted similar and even more vociferous opinions above and in past postings but you have not taken issue with them either. Got you bang to rights.... discrimination! Kim Gandy
  • Score: 3

2:37pm Wed 7 May 14

Richy don't shine shoes no more says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Chris Flunk wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.
What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.
Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?
They own the land at Janda Fields too. That shouldn't give someone the right to develop green belt land, apply for retrospective planning permission and stay on the land for years while repeatedly raising costly appeals and legal challenges. These situations should be fast-tracked. If you develop green belt land without planning permission, the site should be immediately returned to pristine condition at the owner's expense.
And Richie and other down arrowers ...how come you are not taking issue with this post which says similar to mine? Or is it just good old fashioned sexism? Something you lefties say you don't like. Others have posted similar and even more vociferous opinions above and in past postings but you have not taken issue with them either. Got you bang to rights.... discrimination!
Taken from Wikipedia

Discrimination is the prejudicial treatment of an individual or group based on their actual or perceived membership in a certain group or category, "in a way that is worse than the way people are usually treated."

Glass houses and stones spring to mind
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.[/p][/quote]What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.[/p][/quote]Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?[/p][/quote]They own the land at Janda Fields too. That shouldn't give someone the right to develop green belt land, apply for retrospective planning permission and stay on the land for years while repeatedly raising costly appeals and legal challenges. These situations should be fast-tracked. If you develop green belt land without planning permission, the site should be immediately returned to pristine condition at the owner's expense.[/p][/quote]And Richie and other down arrowers ...how come you are not taking issue with this post which says similar to mine? Or is it just good old fashioned sexism? Something you lefties say you don't like. Others have posted similar and even more vociferous opinions above and in past postings but you have not taken issue with them either. Got you bang to rights.... discrimination![/p][/quote]Taken from Wikipedia Discrimination is the prejudicial treatment of an individual or group based on their actual or perceived membership in a certain group or category, "in a way that is worse than the way people are usually treated." Glass houses and stones spring to mind Richy don't shine shoes no more
  • Score: -3

2:59pm Wed 7 May 14

Kim Gandy says...

Oh dear you lefties are getting upset. Abington once again hasn't the b@lls to post under his own name.

I don't have to justify to you who my friends are. I am not standing for election, I do not hold public office nor do I have membership of any political party, through my OWN CHOICE.

As for the mayor, most of the cobblers written about her has been made up by you and your mates eh Cllr Cockroach.

All this is because you can see you are going to be annihilated on May 22 so start the dirty tricks. Only you are too stupid to launch it at the right people. What's the point in trashing me or the mayor? It's all been done to death.

As for the youtube video, would you get it investigated if somebody posted that venomous rubbish about your mother? Or yourself? I think so.

As for wasting public money on investigations, try your Labour colleagues for that.. it never amounted to anything because there was never any mileage in it and you know it.

The phone debacle was all explained but you are too stupid to understand. The mayor at no time spoke on her mobile. I was there the whole time and didn't even see her move. Were you there?

The Mo Larkin I know is not the same Mo Larkin you and your twisted hate filled colleagues talk about. She doesn't claim expenses or have a limo with a chauffeur, nor does she eat and drink taxpayers' money. She does in fact spend a lot of her own personal money and time on Basildon doing stuff you don't see because it is not all covered by this newspaper.

But that's you isn't it. Believe everything you see and hear on the internet.

As for you Richy. I do not need lectures on discrimination but while we are on the subject, there are other views expressed about travellers above, some more vociferous than mine but because it's males saying it you are not tackling them are you.... so that means you are discriminating against me.

There - you have your own leftie argument thrown in your face.

You people are too stupid to face me down in a argument. For one, you can't stand the truth and for another thing you can only do it from behind the safety of your keyboard under a FALSE NAME. I conduct my business in the open because I have nothing to hide.

I've got more guts and spine than the two of you turnips put together.

I speak from personal experience not repeated mantras learned from other soap dodgers.

Now, why don't you consider yourselves well and truly whipped, put in your place and made to look the idiots you are.

Even more to the point why don't you EVER stay on topic?
Oh dear you lefties are getting upset. Abington once again hasn't the b@lls to post under his own name. I don't have to justify to you who my friends are. I am not standing for election, I do not hold public office nor do I have membership of any political party, through my OWN CHOICE. As for the mayor, most of the cobblers written about her has been made up by you and your mates eh Cllr Cockroach. All this is because you can see you are going to be annihilated on May 22 so start the dirty tricks. Only you are too stupid to launch it at the right people. What's the point in trashing me or the mayor? It's all been done to death. As for the youtube video, would you get it investigated if somebody posted that venomous rubbish about your mother? Or yourself? I think so. As for wasting public money on investigations, try your Labour colleagues for that.. it never amounted to anything because there was never any mileage in it and you know it. The phone debacle was all explained but you are too stupid to understand. The mayor at no time spoke on her mobile. I was there the whole time and didn't even see her move. Were you there? The Mo Larkin I know is not the same Mo Larkin you and your twisted hate filled colleagues talk about. She doesn't claim expenses or have a limo with a chauffeur, nor does she eat and drink taxpayers' money. She does in fact spend a lot of her own personal money and time on Basildon doing stuff you don't see because it is not all covered by this newspaper. But that's you isn't it. Believe everything you see and hear on the internet. As for you Richy. I do not need lectures on discrimination but while we are on the subject, there are other views expressed about travellers above, some more vociferous than mine but because it's males saying it you are not tackling them are you.... so that means you are discriminating against me. There - you have your own leftie argument thrown in your face. You people are too stupid to face me down in a argument. For one, you can't stand the truth and for another thing you can only do it from behind the safety of your keyboard under a FALSE NAME. I conduct my business in the open because I have nothing to hide. I've got more guts and spine than the two of you turnips put together. I speak from personal experience not repeated mantras learned from other soap dodgers. Now, why don't you consider yourselves well and truly whipped, put in your place and made to look the idiots you are. Even more to the point why don't you EVER stay on topic? Kim Gandy
  • Score: 0

3:06pm Wed 7 May 14

J Arthur Rank says...

I'm surprised that LastLaugh, Night'nDay, Minger,etc haven't put in an appearance. Come on- Send in The Clowns!
I'm surprised that LastLaugh, Night'nDay, Minger,etc haven't put in an appearance. Come on- Send in The Clowns! J Arthur Rank
  • Score: 7

3:10pm Wed 7 May 14

Kim Gandy says...

Abington86 wrote:
and lets not forget the Mayor of Basildon wasting £1000 after someone took a photo of her on her phone! The 1K was the cost of the investigation the Mayor asked for. Is it a crime to take a photo?

and then there was the massive amount of cash wasted after said Mayor asked police to investigate a clip of her on Utube.

So there is waste everywhere Ms Gandy. Just some amounts have many noughts after them and some do not. Rightly -or wrongly -there will always be waste in public spending.

And it is generally accepted not to believe everything one reads on wikipedia. A bit like not really believing everything you say.

BTW -do you support the Mayor of Basildon this week or loathe her? We really should be told.
Loathe her? I leave it to people like you to loathe her. But then you don't know the person.

I have defended her. You and your nasty clique are the ones doing the loathing. Been chatting to Jo of Pitsea have you? That figures. She has circulated nasty rumours about me too - and I only got to know Mo Larkin because of what Jo had said.so it backfired... Then there are the nasty phone calls and malicious post.

Still, if you like to associate with evil ike her.

I know what it feels like to have idiots launching hate campaigns against you. Not nice but you know what? I am STILL here and will NOT be stifled by bullies like you. Nor do I need to justify myself.

Why can't you openly admit who you are? Eh? Go on, tell us why you cannot undersign your comments with your REAL name.. But we know why don't we...

If you ever bothered to read my comments you will see the involvement I had with the Dale Farm fiasco. But you choose to read rubbish published by HNH and UAF - two groups of leftwing anarchist thugs who like chucking bottles of urine at ten year olds.

Yeah they have great credibility don't they?

My comments on this and other websites never contain racist commentary, just facts. I don't name call them or make anything up. It is all RESEARCHABLE FACT. Much of it has been covered by Jon Austin of this newspaper.

You wouldn't know a fact from a hole in the ground.

And you don't like the fact that I wipe the floor with your argument every single time.

The truth will always win and your race card and nasty hate campaigns are wearing thin. it's all old hat and has been done to death.

And it simply isn't working

:D

Now I have better things to do, you need to start sorting out your election campaign, starting with withdrawing your nasty lies in your campaign literature. Oh dear. The Brown Stuff has hit the fan about that today hasn't it?
[quote][p][bold]Abington86[/bold] wrote: and lets not forget the Mayor of Basildon wasting £1000 after someone took a photo of her on her phone! The 1K was the cost of the investigation the Mayor asked for. Is it a crime to take a photo? and then there was the massive amount of cash wasted after said Mayor asked police to investigate a clip of her on Utube. So there is waste everywhere Ms Gandy. Just some amounts have many noughts after them and some do not. Rightly -or wrongly -there will always be waste in public spending. And it is generally accepted not to believe everything one reads on wikipedia. A bit like not really believing everything you say. BTW -do you support the Mayor of Basildon this week or loathe her? We really should be told.[/p][/quote]Loathe her? I leave it to people like you to loathe her. But then you don't know the person. I have defended her. You and your nasty clique are the ones doing the loathing. Been chatting to Jo of Pitsea have you? That figures. She has circulated nasty rumours about me too - and I only got to know Mo Larkin because of what Jo had said.so it backfired... Then there are the nasty phone calls and malicious post. Still, if you like to associate with evil ike her. I know what it feels like to have idiots launching hate campaigns against you. Not nice but you know what? I am STILL here and will NOT be stifled by bullies like you. Nor do I need to justify myself. Why can't you openly admit who you are? Eh? Go on, tell us why you cannot undersign your comments with your REAL name.. But we know why don't we... If you ever bothered to read my comments you will see the involvement I had with the Dale Farm fiasco. But you choose to read rubbish published by HNH and UAF - two groups of leftwing anarchist thugs who like chucking bottles of urine at ten year olds. Yeah they have great credibility don't they? My comments on this and other websites never contain racist commentary, just facts. I don't name call them or make anything up. It is all RESEARCHABLE FACT. Much of it has been covered by Jon Austin of this newspaper. You wouldn't know a fact from a hole in the ground. And you don't like the fact that I wipe the floor with your argument every single time. The truth will always win and your race card and nasty hate campaigns are wearing thin. it's all old hat and has been done to death. And it simply isn't working :D Now I have better things to do, you need to start sorting out your election campaign, starting with withdrawing your nasty lies in your campaign literature. Oh dear. The Brown Stuff has hit the fan about that today hasn't it? Kim Gandy
  • Score: 1

3:18pm Wed 7 May 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

Move them back to Dale farm, after all it is their home.
Move them back to Dale farm, after all it is their home. carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: -10

4:18pm Wed 7 May 14

Kim Gandy says...

No REAL name on your comments = no credibility.

It shows your total ignorance of facts and figures relating to the travellers. Wikipedia or no, they are all there to be researched under the FoI - and I have been witness to these figures - and more.

You just don't like it because I am right and you are wrong. And you cannot substantiate your claims about myself, the mayor, the travellers or anything else because you have NO EVIDENCE with which to back up ANY of your comments.

Unlike me.
No REAL name on your comments = no credibility. It shows your total ignorance of facts and figures relating to the travellers. Wikipedia or no, they are all there to be researched under the FoI - and I have been witness to these figures - and more. You just don't like it because I am right and you are wrong. And you cannot substantiate your claims about myself, the mayor, the travellers or anything else because you have NO EVIDENCE with which to back up ANY of your comments. Unlike me. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 2

4:31pm Wed 7 May 14

Kim Gandy says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
Move them back to Dale farm, after all it is their home.
Actually it isn't any more. Do your research. Another one who opens mouth without engaging brain.

There is still the matter of the outstanding £4.3m eviction bill they owe. The council can seize the land if it is not paid.

It's all a matter of economics. It's all gone quiet of course because nobody has the guts to deal with the situation. But the amount of money the taxpayers have spent on this debacle, they are fully entitled to expect the site to be seized.

And if UKIP gets in on 22nd it will be sorted. It ain''t over yet...

Really... you do walk into these things don't you?
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: Move them back to Dale farm, after all it is their home.[/p][/quote]Actually it isn't any more. Do your research. Another one who opens mouth without engaging brain. There is still the matter of the outstanding £4.3m eviction bill they owe. The council can seize the land if it is not paid. It's all a matter of economics. It's all gone quiet of course because nobody has the guts to deal with the situation. But the amount of money the taxpayers have spent on this debacle, they are fully entitled to expect the site to be seized. And if UKIP gets in on 22nd it will be sorted. It ain''t over yet... Really... you do walk into these things don't you? Kim Gandy
  • Score: 6

5:36pm Wed 7 May 14

Abington86 says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Abington86 wrote: and lets not forget the Mayor of Basildon wasting £1000 after someone took a photo of her on her phone! The 1K was the cost of the investigation the Mayor asked for. Is it a crime to take a photo? and then there was the massive amount of cash wasted after said Mayor asked police to investigate a clip of her on Utube. So there is waste everywhere Ms Gandy. Just some amounts have many noughts after them and some do not. Rightly -or wrongly -there will always be waste in public spending. And it is generally accepted not to believe everything one reads on wikipedia. A bit like not really believing everything you say. BTW -do you support the Mayor of Basildon this week or loathe her? We really should be told.
Loathe her? I leave it to people like you to loathe her. But then you don't know the person. I have defended her. You and your nasty clique are the ones doing the loathing. Been chatting to Jo of Pitsea have you? That figures. She has circulated nasty rumours about me too - and I only got to know Mo Larkin because of what Jo had said.so it backfired... Then there are the nasty phone calls and malicious post. Still, if you like to associate with evil ike her. I know what it feels like to have idiots launching hate campaigns against you. Not nice but you know what? I am STILL here and will NOT be stifled by bullies like you. Nor do I need to justify myself. Why can't you openly admit who you are? Eh? Go on, tell us why you cannot undersign your comments with your REAL name.. But we know why don't we... If you ever bothered to read my comments you will see the involvement I had with the Dale Farm fiasco. But you choose to read rubbish published by HNH and UAF - two groups of leftwing anarchist thugs who like chucking bottles of urine at ten year olds. Yeah they have great credibility don't they? My comments on this and other websites never contain racist commentary, just facts. I don't name call them or make anything up. It is all RESEARCHABLE FACT. Much of it has been covered by Jon Austin of this newspaper. You wouldn't know a fact from a hole in the ground. And you don't like the fact that I wipe the floor with your argument every single time. The truth will always win and your race card and nasty hate campaigns are wearing thin. it's all old hat and has been done to death. And it simply isn't working :D Now I have better things to do, you need to start sorting out your election campaign, starting with withdrawing your nasty lies in your campaign literature. Oh dear. The Brown Stuff has hit the fan about that today hasn't it?
Poor Ms Gandy. I am not Councillor Cockroach, I am not a labour party supporter. Where are the FACTS to prove this? give me the EVIDENCE that you have to make these claims.

And I do post under my name. What a ridiculous woman you are.

do you support the Mayor this week or loathe her? We all have seen your rant after she was awarded some junior award and then your hymn of praise a couple of weeks ago.

and BTW I was there when she was fumbling with her phone on Armed Forces Day. In the front row.

Jog on love. Jog on.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Abington86[/bold] wrote: and lets not forget the Mayor of Basildon wasting £1000 after someone took a photo of her on her phone! The 1K was the cost of the investigation the Mayor asked for. Is it a crime to take a photo? and then there was the massive amount of cash wasted after said Mayor asked police to investigate a clip of her on Utube. So there is waste everywhere Ms Gandy. Just some amounts have many noughts after them and some do not. Rightly -or wrongly -there will always be waste in public spending. And it is generally accepted not to believe everything one reads on wikipedia. A bit like not really believing everything you say. BTW -do you support the Mayor of Basildon this week or loathe her? We really should be told.[/p][/quote]Loathe her? I leave it to people like you to loathe her. But then you don't know the person. I have defended her. You and your nasty clique are the ones doing the loathing. Been chatting to Jo of Pitsea have you? That figures. She has circulated nasty rumours about me too - and I only got to know Mo Larkin because of what Jo had said.so it backfired... Then there are the nasty phone calls and malicious post. Still, if you like to associate with evil ike her. I know what it feels like to have idiots launching hate campaigns against you. Not nice but you know what? I am STILL here and will NOT be stifled by bullies like you. Nor do I need to justify myself. Why can't you openly admit who you are? Eh? Go on, tell us why you cannot undersign your comments with your REAL name.. But we know why don't we... If you ever bothered to read my comments you will see the involvement I had with the Dale Farm fiasco. But you choose to read rubbish published by HNH and UAF - two groups of leftwing anarchist thugs who like chucking bottles of urine at ten year olds. Yeah they have great credibility don't they? My comments on this and other websites never contain racist commentary, just facts. I don't name call them or make anything up. It is all RESEARCHABLE FACT. Much of it has been covered by Jon Austin of this newspaper. You wouldn't know a fact from a hole in the ground. And you don't like the fact that I wipe the floor with your argument every single time. The truth will always win and your race card and nasty hate campaigns are wearing thin. it's all old hat and has been done to death. And it simply isn't working :D Now I have better things to do, you need to start sorting out your election campaign, starting with withdrawing your nasty lies in your campaign literature. Oh dear. The Brown Stuff has hit the fan about that today hasn't it?[/p][/quote]Poor Ms Gandy. I am not Councillor Cockroach, I am not a labour party supporter. Where are the FACTS to prove this? give me the EVIDENCE that you have to make these claims. And I do post under my name. What a ridiculous woman you are. do you support the Mayor this week or loathe her? We all have seen your rant after she was awarded some junior award and then your hymn of praise a couple of weeks ago. and BTW I was there when she was fumbling with her phone on Armed Forces Day. In the front row. Jog on love. Jog on. Abington86
  • Score: -4

6:21pm Wed 7 May 14

Kim Gandy says...

Abington86 wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Abington86 wrote: and lets not forget the Mayor of Basildon wasting £1000 after someone took a photo of her on her phone! The 1K was the cost of the investigation the Mayor asked for. Is it a crime to take a photo? and then there was the massive amount of cash wasted after said Mayor asked police to investigate a clip of her on Utube. So there is waste everywhere Ms Gandy. Just some amounts have many noughts after them and some do not. Rightly -or wrongly -there will always be waste in public spending. And it is generally accepted not to believe everything one reads on wikipedia. A bit like not really believing everything you say. BTW -do you support the Mayor of Basildon this week or loathe her? We really should be told.
Loathe her? I leave it to people like you to loathe her. But then you don't know the person. I have defended her. You and your nasty clique are the ones doing the loathing. Been chatting to Jo of Pitsea have you? That figures. She has circulated nasty rumours about me too - and I only got to know Mo Larkin because of what Jo had said.so it backfired... Then there are the nasty phone calls and malicious post. Still, if you like to associate with evil ike her. I know what it feels like to have idiots launching hate campaigns against you. Not nice but you know what? I am STILL here and will NOT be stifled by bullies like you. Nor do I need to justify myself. Why can't you openly admit who you are? Eh? Go on, tell us why you cannot undersign your comments with your REAL name.. But we know why don't we... If you ever bothered to read my comments you will see the involvement I had with the Dale Farm fiasco. But you choose to read rubbish published by HNH and UAF - two groups of leftwing anarchist thugs who like chucking bottles of urine at ten year olds. Yeah they have great credibility don't they? My comments on this and other websites never contain racist commentary, just facts. I don't name call them or make anything up. It is all RESEARCHABLE FACT. Much of it has been covered by Jon Austin of this newspaper. You wouldn't know a fact from a hole in the ground. And you don't like the fact that I wipe the floor with your argument every single time. The truth will always win and your race card and nasty hate campaigns are wearing thin. it's all old hat and has been done to death. And it simply isn't working :D Now I have better things to do, you need to start sorting out your election campaign, starting with withdrawing your nasty lies in your campaign literature. Oh dear. The Brown Stuff has hit the fan about that today hasn't it?
Poor Ms Gandy. I am not Councillor Cockroach, I am not a labour party supporter. Where are the FACTS to prove this? give me the EVIDENCE that you have to make these claims.

And I do post under my name. What a ridiculous woman you are.

do you support the Mayor this week or loathe her? We all have seen your rant after she was awarded some junior award and then your hymn of praise a couple of weeks ago.

and BTW I was there when she was fumbling with her phone on Armed Forces Day. In the front row.

Jog on love. Jog on.
No you jog on ignoramus. She was being phoned by the police to tell her her partner was ill at the side of the road. I saw him days later and he was obviously unwell.

And if you saw a rant from me about her being awarded something you will also have seen that there was an idiot posting under a pseudonym made to look like my name.

This was reported by me and the user was banned.

So you jog on.

Once again I have whacked you round the head with your own argument.

But if you are too stupid to spot the deliberate mistakes in the spellings of these pseudonyms when they crop up, it shows just how dim you are.

Why not quit because you are making yourself look stupid.

Go and sort out the lies you printed in your leaflets instead of wasting time trying to outdo me.

It ain't gonna happen.
[quote][p][bold]Abington86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Abington86[/bold] wrote: and lets not forget the Mayor of Basildon wasting £1000 after someone took a photo of her on her phone! The 1K was the cost of the investigation the Mayor asked for. Is it a crime to take a photo? and then there was the massive amount of cash wasted after said Mayor asked police to investigate a clip of her on Utube. So there is waste everywhere Ms Gandy. Just some amounts have many noughts after them and some do not. Rightly -or wrongly -there will always be waste in public spending. And it is generally accepted not to believe everything one reads on wikipedia. A bit like not really believing everything you say. BTW -do you support the Mayor of Basildon this week or loathe her? We really should be told.[/p][/quote]Loathe her? I leave it to people like you to loathe her. But then you don't know the person. I have defended her. You and your nasty clique are the ones doing the loathing. Been chatting to Jo of Pitsea have you? That figures. She has circulated nasty rumours about me too - and I only got to know Mo Larkin because of what Jo had said.so it backfired... Then there are the nasty phone calls and malicious post. Still, if you like to associate with evil ike her. I know what it feels like to have idiots launching hate campaigns against you. Not nice but you know what? I am STILL here and will NOT be stifled by bullies like you. Nor do I need to justify myself. Why can't you openly admit who you are? Eh? Go on, tell us why you cannot undersign your comments with your REAL name.. But we know why don't we... If you ever bothered to read my comments you will see the involvement I had with the Dale Farm fiasco. But you choose to read rubbish published by HNH and UAF - two groups of leftwing anarchist thugs who like chucking bottles of urine at ten year olds. Yeah they have great credibility don't they? My comments on this and other websites never contain racist commentary, just facts. I don't name call them or make anything up. It is all RESEARCHABLE FACT. Much of it has been covered by Jon Austin of this newspaper. You wouldn't know a fact from a hole in the ground. And you don't like the fact that I wipe the floor with your argument every single time. The truth will always win and your race card and nasty hate campaigns are wearing thin. it's all old hat and has been done to death. And it simply isn't working :D Now I have better things to do, you need to start sorting out your election campaign, starting with withdrawing your nasty lies in your campaign literature. Oh dear. The Brown Stuff has hit the fan about that today hasn't it?[/p][/quote]Poor Ms Gandy. I am not Councillor Cockroach, I am not a labour party supporter. Where are the FACTS to prove this? give me the EVIDENCE that you have to make these claims. And I do post under my name. What a ridiculous woman you are. do you support the Mayor this week or loathe her? We all have seen your rant after she was awarded some junior award and then your hymn of praise a couple of weeks ago. and BTW I was there when she was fumbling with her phone on Armed Forces Day. In the front row. Jog on love. Jog on.[/p][/quote]No you jog on ignoramus. She was being phoned by the police to tell her her partner was ill at the side of the road. I saw him days later and he was obviously unwell. And if you saw a rant from me about her being awarded something you will also have seen that there was an idiot posting under a pseudonym made to look like my name. This was reported by me and the user was banned. So you jog on. Once again I have whacked you round the head with your own argument. But if you are too stupid to spot the deliberate mistakes in the spellings of these pseudonyms when they crop up, it shows just how dim you are. Why not quit because you are making yourself look stupid. Go and sort out the lies you printed in your leaflets instead of wasting time trying to outdo me. It ain't gonna happen. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 3

6:27pm Wed 7 May 14

Kim Gandy says...

Further to the phone debacle. The mayor was switching off her phone. She was caught in that split second.

You are such a liar because you so were not there and you so are Labour, you have all the bitterness and rancour of a member of the Labour group.

And if you can make assumptions about me, I can do the same about you so live with it.

And you could be anybody posting under that name. I meant your FULL name. People know who I am and what I stand for, we don't have the same courtesy from you.

You are still cowering behind the internet.

You are only here to attack me and you make it look so obvious. You assume far too much and you listen to too much gossip.

Having sorted your leaflets out I suggest you go back to curtain twitching. You are good at that.
Further to the phone debacle. The mayor was switching off her phone. She was caught in that split second. You are such a liar because you so were not there and you so are Labour, you have all the bitterness and rancour of a member of the Labour group. And if you can make assumptions about me, I can do the same about you so live with it. And you could be anybody posting under that name. I meant your FULL name. People know who I am and what I stand for, we don't have the same courtesy from you. You are still cowering behind the internet. You are only here to attack me and you make it look so obvious. You assume far too much and you listen to too much gossip. Having sorted your leaflets out I suggest you go back to curtain twitching. You are good at that. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 2

6:35pm Wed 7 May 14

the25man says...

No decision made causing a pickle which is caused by the Pickle and not for the first time
No decision made causing a pickle which is caused by the Pickle and not for the first time the25man
  • Score: -2

6:40pm Wed 7 May 14

Kim Gandy says...

Just to remind folk, this story is about travellers and not the Mayor of Basildon, a subject I did not raise in the first place.

The nasty remarks attributed to me by this nutter above, that he claims I said about the mayor were in fact the work of one of the Echo's many resident loonytunes who during the last but one bank holiday weekend, took it into his/her head to post under pseudonyms that looked like my name.

However, these were slightly mis-spelt, with punctuation or odd letters in and so obviously not written by me that some people here with more than half a brain cell actually recognised as not my style.

Of course, idiots do not check these things and believe everything they see.

I came on here and made it clear the remarks were not from me and reported these incidences to the Echo via the report button and the editor.

Just to clear up any confusion, not that I have to justify myself to a certified plum duff.

Right, back to the issue in hand...

I fail to see why these issue are always delayed. If this was anyone else there would be an immediate stop notice issued and the perpetrators would be made to leave without delay.

Allowing these matters to go on and on at cost to the taxpayer is an abdication of duty on the part of the authorities.

And why have none of them used the perfectly legitimate Public Order Act to remove groups of people from premises they are not entitled to be on.

And let's get another thing straight. Ownership of a piece of land does not guarantee a person or group's right to build on it. It depends on the status of the land.

I could buy a piece of green belt just outside Rayleigh and start building a plot for my family. However, we all know if I were to do that I'd soon be given my marching orders and forcibly removed if I refused to comply.

There really CANNOT be one law for one and another for everyone else.

In any other country you abide by its laws and customs and if you cannot do this you have no right to be there.

Why should it be any different in this country? This pushes people's tolerance much too far.

People are sick and tired of seeing minorities favoured while they feel the full force of the law.

And it is beginning to show on the doorsteps and in the polls.

This time it will NOT be a protest vote.

The lefties are on the back foot so they are throwing everything they can at it as was seen on page 4 of Basildon issue of the Echo today.

Lies, lies and more lies on the part of the Labour group on the subject of travellers.

However, I will wait for that story to be posted in order to comment in full.
Just to remind folk, this story is about travellers and not the Mayor of Basildon, a subject I did not raise in the first place. The nasty remarks attributed to me by this nutter above, that he claims I said about the mayor were in fact the work of one of the Echo's many resident loonytunes who during the last but one bank holiday weekend, took it into his/her head to post under pseudonyms that looked like my name. However, these were slightly mis-spelt, with punctuation or odd letters in and so obviously not written by me that some people here with more than half a brain cell actually recognised as not my style. Of course, idiots do not check these things and believe everything they see. I came on here and made it clear the remarks were not from me and reported these incidences to the Echo via the report button and the editor. Just to clear up any confusion, not that I have to justify myself to a certified plum duff. Right, back to the issue in hand... I fail to see why these issue are always delayed. If this was anyone else there would be an immediate stop notice issued and the perpetrators would be made to leave without delay. Allowing these matters to go on and on at cost to the taxpayer is an abdication of duty on the part of the authorities. And why have none of them used the perfectly legitimate Public Order Act to remove groups of people from premises they are not entitled to be on. And let's get another thing straight. Ownership of a piece of land does not guarantee a person or group's right to build on it. It depends on the status of the land. I could buy a piece of green belt just outside Rayleigh and start building a plot for my family. However, we all know if I were to do that I'd soon be given my marching orders and forcibly removed if I refused to comply. There really CANNOT be one law for one and another for everyone else. In any other country you abide by its laws and customs and if you cannot do this you have no right to be there. Why should it be any different in this country? This pushes people's tolerance much too far. People are sick and tired of seeing minorities favoured while they feel the full force of the law. And it is beginning to show on the doorsteps and in the polls. This time it will NOT be a protest vote. The lefties are on the back foot so they are throwing everything they can at it as was seen on page 4 of Basildon issue of the Echo today. Lies, lies and more lies on the part of the Labour group on the subject of travellers. However, I will wait for that story to be posted in order to comment in full. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 4

7:08pm Wed 7 May 14

ThisYear says...

InTheKnowOk wrote:
It's all a crock of shyte. ... These non travellers lead the life of riley, if we pitched up caravans on this, or any other piece of land, we would be turfed off pronto. What gives them carte blanche? ...
I have mates that struggle with paying rents of over £750 a month because they can't afford the deposit for a mortgage, some are couples with double incomes. I reckon they should invest in a waggon and park it up on greenbelt and start up a whole new community, just think of the character we could add to the place... Yeah!!! ....
Talking a crock again..

You have as much right to 'pitch up' as anyone else...the thing is you dont have a need to..there lies the difference..seems you are not so 'InTheKnow' as you think you are.

As for your 'mates' (what you have some?) They too can do as the people in the article have done..
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: It's all a crock of shyte. ... These non travellers lead the life of riley, if we pitched up caravans on this, or any other piece of land, we would be turfed off pronto. What gives them carte blanche? ... I have mates that struggle with paying rents of over £750 a month because they can't afford the deposit for a mortgage, some are couples with double incomes. I reckon they should invest in a waggon and park it up on greenbelt and start up a whole new community, just think of the character we could add to the place... Yeah!!! ....[/p][/quote]Talking a crock again.. You have as much right to 'pitch up' as anyone else...the thing is you dont have a need to..there lies the difference..seems you are not so 'InTheKnow' as you think you are. As for your 'mates' (what you have some?) They too can do as the people in the article have done.. ThisYear
  • Score: -6

7:09pm Wed 7 May 14

ThisYear says...

angryofessex wrote:
Keep Ireland tidy, dump your sh*t in Essex.
Ignorant "sh*t"

The people in the article are from Essex..not another country.
[quote][p][bold]angryofessex[/bold] wrote: Keep Ireland tidy, dump your sh*t in Essex.[/p][/quote]Ignorant "sh*t" The people in the article are from Essex..not another country. ThisYear
  • Score: -8

7:13pm Wed 7 May 14

ThisYear says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote:
Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.
What absolute rubbish.

Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor.

I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm.

You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them.

Let's see how long you last.

Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help.

If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately.

One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that.

If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone.

No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.
Silly mare..Dale Farm was there and is there..and all before you caught the cart down from Yorkshire..

What illegal development are you insanely ranting on about now Gandy?

Yes one 'law' fits all and another culture doing the same would be treated the same law wise..

Ukop will never "get in"...its all a rascist wet dream Gandy..not going to happen...so dream on..
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.[/p][/quote]What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.[/p][/quote]Silly mare..Dale Farm was there and is there..and all before you caught the cart down from Yorkshire.. What illegal development are you insanely ranting on about now Gandy? Yes one 'law' fits all and another culture doing the same would be treated the same law wise.. Ukop will never "get in"...its all a rascist wet dream Gandy..not going to happen...so dream on.. ThisYear
  • Score: -3

7:15pm Wed 7 May 14

ThisYear says...

Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.
What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.
Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?
Yes they do..Im sure they and the children who attend school there are well glad to be shut of Gandy in the area and the school...how she ever passed vetting as a school governor must be a concern for all parents with children at school in Essex...who else is lurking as a school governor?
[quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.[/p][/quote]What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.[/p][/quote]Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?[/p][/quote]Yes they do..Im sure they and the children who attend school there are well glad to be shut of Gandy in the area and the school...how she ever passed vetting as a school governor must be a concern for all parents with children at school in Essex...who else is lurking as a school governor? ThisYear
  • Score: -4

7:45pm Wed 7 May 14

ThisYear says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.
What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.
Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?
Shows how misinformed you are. There is a whole load of information you have chosen to ignore. They only earned a section of it but the fact remains they did not have planning permission. They ended up building on it and on adjacent land. They are now living in the road but slowly moving back on.

If people like you bothered to avail themselves of the full facts instead of half **** stories, we might all be better off.

They have lived there illegally for THIRTEEN YEARS. They have cost the community taxpayers untold billions in legal costs, schooling and all the services they have used and abused, the illegal businesses they have blatantly and openly carried out and a whole load of other stuff you will never know about.

I was a resident of Crays Hill and a governor of the school. I know what went on and I know how my family and I personally suffered as a result.

If you bothered to read the newspaper reports, not just the Echo but other publications and spoke to the locals including English gypsies and Romanies who also suffered, you might actually know what you are talking about.

That's the trouble with folk on here: spout off about things they know absolutely zero about. Then name call those of us who do.

Like I said, you're so big hearted, you find somewhere close to your house, your garden even. All those of you who mouth off don't actually DO anything.

At least at one point I tried to negotiate with them both in front of TV cameras and off camera.

But they do NOT want to integrate. They want it all their own way and constantly abuse this community.

Go and do your research and ask people face to face what it's like and then come back here and comment. Don't comment without the FACTS.
What a load of rubbish...

The 'information' you offer is false and not one claim correct.

You are talking through it as per usual..

Lets put you to flight..

Dale farm is owned by the people who live on it..so your claim is false


Just what did they build..? Nothing! So your claim is false

Dale Farm is lived on and legally. So your claim is false

The part destroyed by Ball and his council is NOT being inhabited..its is contaminated with asbestos dumped there by basildon council in years gone by. People are NOT moving back onto it. So your claim is false

They lived there while pursuing their claim through the courts..that is not illegal...it only became illegal when the final court dismissed their claim. So your claim is false

They are taxpayers to and had a right to legal aid as would all people in the same situation. They were entitled to their rights as anyone is..and if that right costs money then its money going from one section to another section of society..You bleating about taxpayers doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Are you suggesting that all the people on an estate would be guilty of one or two people abusing the rules in place? It would seem that is what you are doing and thus your claim is false.

Im sure speaking to Dale farm people whould have them making complaints about you and other non-Travellers..what does that prove other than different people have complaints about different people.

Pavee and Romany have married into each other on DF..so you speak only of a few with complaints..which is par for the course in any area of the country between all peoples..

In my opinion you were part of an apartheid act to keep Traveller and non-Traveller children separated...an evil act and one I believe has led to you to be person non grata in certain spheres..in my opinion your woes began with that apartheid act..karma if you like.

The freedom of this country is people do not have to integrate..and why should they be forced to..do you not believe in freedom of choice?

You are a ranting bigot with racist tendencies and give support to the notion that racists are psychologically flawed individuals..

You spout your racist thoughts as facts...so lets see you show some evidence of your bile..

BUT WAIT! You dont read the replies and so wont be asking admin to remove any mention of your part in the attack on innocent children because of their culture..or your lack of vetting as a school governor and of course your non-political post as a councillor..which you have to date ignored requests to inform us what that actually means


You will now probably flee the thread leaving others to continue your hate..isnt that incitement?
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.[/p][/quote]What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.[/p][/quote]Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?[/p][/quote]Shows how misinformed you are. There is a whole load of information you have chosen to ignore. They only earned a section of it but the fact remains they did not have planning permission. They ended up building on it and on adjacent land. They are now living in the road but slowly moving back on. If people like you bothered to avail themselves of the full facts instead of half **** stories, we might all be better off. They have lived there illegally for THIRTEEN YEARS. They have cost the community taxpayers untold billions in legal costs, schooling and all the services they have used and abused, the illegal businesses they have blatantly and openly carried out and a whole load of other stuff you will never know about. I was a resident of Crays Hill and a governor of the school. I know what went on and I know how my family and I personally suffered as a result. If you bothered to read the newspaper reports, not just the Echo but other publications and spoke to the locals including English gypsies and Romanies who also suffered, you might actually know what you are talking about. That's the trouble with folk on here: spout off about things they know absolutely zero about. Then name call those of us who do. Like I said, you're so big hearted, you find somewhere close to your house, your garden even. All those of you who mouth off don't actually DO anything. At least at one point I tried to negotiate with them both in front of TV cameras and off camera. But they do NOT want to integrate. They want it all their own way and constantly abuse this community. Go and do your research and ask people face to face what it's like and then come back here and comment. Don't comment without the FACTS.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish... The 'information' you offer is false and not one claim correct. You are talking through it as per usual.. Lets put you to flight.. Dale farm is owned by the people who live on it..so your claim is false Just what did they build..? Nothing! So your claim is false Dale Farm is lived on and legally. So your claim is false The part destroyed by Ball and his council is NOT being inhabited..its is contaminated with asbestos dumped there by basildon council in years gone by. People are NOT moving back onto it. So your claim is false They lived there while pursuing their claim through the courts..that is not illegal...it only became illegal when the final court dismissed their claim. So your claim is false They are taxpayers to and had a right to legal aid as would all people in the same situation. They were entitled to their rights as anyone is..and if that right costs money then its money going from one section to another section of society..You bleating about taxpayers doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Are you suggesting that all the people on an estate would be guilty of one or two people abusing the rules in place? It would seem that is what you are doing and thus your claim is false. Im sure speaking to Dale farm people whould have them making complaints about you and other non-Travellers..what does that prove other than different people have complaints about different people. Pavee and Romany have married into each other on DF..so you speak only of a few with complaints..which is par for the course in any area of the country between all peoples.. In my opinion you were part of an apartheid act to keep Traveller and non-Traveller children separated...an evil act and one I believe has led to you to be person non grata in certain spheres..in my opinion your woes began with that apartheid act..karma if you like. The freedom of this country is people do not have to integrate..and why should they be forced to..do you not believe in freedom of choice? You are a ranting bigot with racist tendencies and give support to the notion that racists are psychologically flawed individuals.. You spout your racist thoughts as facts...so lets see you show some evidence of your bile.. BUT WAIT! You dont read the replies and so wont be asking admin to remove any mention of your part in the attack on innocent children because of their culture..or your lack of vetting as a school governor and of course your non-political post as a councillor..which you have to date ignored requests to inform us what that actually means You will now probably flee the thread leaving others to continue your hate..isnt that incitement? ThisYear
  • Score: -3

8:00pm Wed 7 May 14

ThisYear says...

Chris Flunk wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.
What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.
Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?
They own the land at Janda Fields too. That shouldn't give someone the right to develop green belt land, apply for retrospective planning permission and stay on the land for years while repeatedly raising costly appeals and legal challenges.

These situations should be fast-tracked. If you develop green belt land without planning permission, the site should be immediately returned to pristine condition at the owner's expense.
Who is "They"

Are you claiming all the people on DF own Janda Fields?

If not why do you refer to the owners as "They"

If Mr Patel owns a corner shop does that mean Mr Singh also owns the shop?

Retro application is used by many people in this country and by big companies...its a right people have..are you looking to restrict peoples rights because you dont agree with the right or dont like the 'race' of the people using the right?

If everyone could do that wouldn't you and all of us find ourself objected to for some reason or other?

The fullness of the law is there for all..do you want to also restrict that to only certain people that you approve of? And what if/when that is restricted to you?

basildon council, who wasted millions of pounds to evict people off their own land, is now allowing building on GB land willy nilly...have you complained to them?
[quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.[/p][/quote]What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.[/p][/quote]Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?[/p][/quote]They own the land at Janda Fields too. That shouldn't give someone the right to develop green belt land, apply for retrospective planning permission and stay on the land for years while repeatedly raising costly appeals and legal challenges. These situations should be fast-tracked. If you develop green belt land without planning permission, the site should be immediately returned to pristine condition at the owner's expense.[/p][/quote]Who is "They" Are you claiming all the people on DF own Janda Fields? If not why do you refer to the owners as "They" If Mr Patel owns a corner shop does that mean Mr Singh also owns the shop? Retro application is used by many people in this country and by big companies...its a right people have..are you looking to restrict peoples rights because you dont agree with the right or dont like the 'race' of the people using the right? If everyone could do that wouldn't you and all of us find ourself objected to for some reason or other? The fullness of the law is there for all..do you want to also restrict that to only certain people that you approve of? And what if/when that is restricted to you? basildon council, who wasted millions of pounds to evict people off their own land, is now allowing building on GB land willy nilly...have you complained to them? ThisYear
  • Score: -5

8:08pm Wed 7 May 14

Nebs says...

ThisYear wrote:
Chris Flunk wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.
What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.
Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?
They own the land at Janda Fields too. That shouldn't give someone the right to develop green belt land, apply for retrospective planning permission and stay on the land for years while repeatedly raising costly appeals and legal challenges.

These situations should be fast-tracked. If you develop green belt land without planning permission, the site should be immediately returned to pristine condition at the owner's expense.
Who is "They"

Are you claiming all the people on DF own Janda Fields?

If not why do you refer to the owners as "They"

If Mr Patel owns a corner shop does that mean Mr Singh also owns the shop?

Retro application is used by many people in this country and by big companies...its a right people have..are you looking to restrict peoples rights because you dont agree with the right or dont like the 'race' of the people using the right?

If everyone could do that wouldn't you and all of us find ourself objected to for some reason or other?

The fullness of the law is there for all..do you want to also restrict that to only certain people that you approve of? And what if/when that is restricted to you?

basildon council, who wasted millions of pounds to evict people off their own land, is now allowing building on GB land willy nilly...have you complained to them?
Basildon Council did not waste millions. It was money well spent.
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.[/p][/quote]What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.[/p][/quote]Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?[/p][/quote]They own the land at Janda Fields too. That shouldn't give someone the right to develop green belt land, apply for retrospective planning permission and stay on the land for years while repeatedly raising costly appeals and legal challenges. These situations should be fast-tracked. If you develop green belt land without planning permission, the site should be immediately returned to pristine condition at the owner's expense.[/p][/quote]Who is "They" Are you claiming all the people on DF own Janda Fields? If not why do you refer to the owners as "They" If Mr Patel owns a corner shop does that mean Mr Singh also owns the shop? Retro application is used by many people in this country and by big companies...its a right people have..are you looking to restrict peoples rights because you dont agree with the right or dont like the 'race' of the people using the right? If everyone could do that wouldn't you and all of us find ourself objected to for some reason or other? The fullness of the law is there for all..do you want to also restrict that to only certain people that you approve of? And what if/when that is restricted to you? basildon council, who wasted millions of pounds to evict people off their own land, is now allowing building on GB land willy nilly...have you complained to them?[/p][/quote]Basildon Council did not waste millions. It was money well spent. Nebs
  • Score: 2

8:11pm Wed 7 May 14

ThisYear says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
This is taken from Wikepedia...

"After the decision to clear the site, the Council prepared budgetary statements for costs, with a worst case expense estimated at £8 million. Before the injunction of 19 September, the Council said that "The estimated direct operational cost of £6.5m together with estimated post operational costs of £1.5m produce a total of £8m." Predictions of the total cost of eviction varied up to £18 million, including legal costs.

In 2012 Basildon Council confirmed that the Dale Farm eviction cost them £4.8 million. This amount included £1.6 million due to contractor expenses resulting from the High Court injunction in September. Essex Police announced that its costs were £2.4 million, and the Home Office had pledged to contribute up to £4.65 million to policing costs. The Department for Communities and Local Government also contributed £1.2 million.

Legal aid to residents from 2005 to September 2011 totalled £188,000; costs were paid by the Legal Services Commission. During later court hearings the travellers were represented on a pro-bono basis."

I haven't the time to do your research for you but over the years I have seen the true cost to the community and individuals and families within it. The above doesn't even take into account the ongoing cost of their use of local services that they don't pay for. Also the expensive and pointless Ethnic Minority and Traveller "Achievement" Service that the taxpayer funds to the tune of £440,806 and that was just for 2013-14. Absolutely atrocious.

The true cost of Dale Farm may well never be revealed. But the cost to the community will echo down the generations including my family.

So save your sympathy for the real victims who footed the bill but got nothing but grief in return.

And still it goes on...
Clearly the council wasted millions..and then went on to allow the selling of GB land..

Please inform us of these 'true costs to the community and individuals' You always bleat about such but never specify when asked..yet repeat it parrot fashion time and again.

What local services dont they pay for?

Are the DF community responsible for county council actions in regards to the EMTAS? Which has a remit to deal with ALL ethnic minorities?

Your family, it is my opinion and belief, suffered because of your racial hatred of ethnic minorities and the Travellers in particular..you brought it all on yourself...no sympathy for you..cleanse your soul and really start to be a proper person.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: This is taken from Wikepedia... "After the decision to clear the site, the Council prepared budgetary statements for costs, with a worst case expense estimated at £8 million. Before the injunction of 19 September, the Council said that "The estimated direct operational cost of £6.5m together with estimated post operational costs of £1.5m produce a total of £8m."[5] Predictions of the total cost of eviction varied up to £18 million, including legal costs. In 2012 Basildon Council confirmed that the Dale Farm eviction cost them £4.8 million.[50] This amount included £1.6 million due to contractor expenses resulting from the High Court injunction in September. Essex Police announced that its costs were £2.4 million, and the Home Office had pledged to contribute up to £4.65 million to policing costs. The Department for Communities and Local Government also contributed £1.2 million. Legal aid to residents from 2005 to September 2011 totalled £188,000;[51] costs were paid by the Legal Services Commission. During later court hearings the travellers were represented on a pro-bono basis." I haven't the time to do your research for you but over the years I have seen the true cost to the community and individuals and families within it. The above doesn't even take into account the ongoing cost of their use of local services that they don't pay for. Also the expensive and pointless Ethnic Minority and Traveller "Achievement" Service that the taxpayer funds to the tune of £440,806 and that was just for 2013-14. Absolutely atrocious. The true cost of Dale Farm may well never be revealed. But the cost to the community will echo down the generations including my family. So save your sympathy for the real victims who footed the bill but got nothing but grief in return. And still it goes on...[/p][/quote]Clearly the council wasted millions..and then went on to allow the selling of GB land.. Please inform us of these 'true costs to the community and individuals' You always bleat about such but never specify when asked..yet repeat it parrot fashion time and again. What local services dont they pay for? Are the DF community responsible for county council actions in regards to the EMTAS? Which has a remit to deal with ALL ethnic minorities? Your family, it is my opinion and belief, suffered because of your racial hatred of ethnic minorities and the Travellers in particular..you brought it all on yourself...no sympathy for you..cleanse your soul and really start to be a proper person. ThisYear
  • Score: -4

8:13pm Wed 7 May 14

ThisYear says...

Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
This is taken from Wikepedia... "After the decision to clear the site, the Council prepared budgetary statements for costs, with a worst case expense estimated at £8 million. Before the injunction of 19 September, the Council said that "The estimated direct operational cost of £6.5m together with estimated post operational costs of £1.5m produce a total of £8m." Predictions of the total cost of eviction varied up to £18 million, including legal costs. In 2012 Basildon Council confirmed that the Dale Farm eviction cost them £4.8 million. This amount included £1.6 million due to contractor expenses resulting from the High Court injunction in September. Essex Police announced that its costs were £2.4 million, and the Home Office had pledged to contribute up to £4.65 million to policing costs. The Department for Communities and Local Government also contributed £1.2 million. Legal aid to residents from 2005 to September 2011 totalled £188,000; costs were paid by the Legal Services Commission. During later court hearings the travellers were represented on a pro-bono basis." I haven't the time to do your research for you but over the years I have seen the true cost to the community and individuals and families within it. The above doesn't even take into account the ongoing cost of their use of local services that they don't pay for. Also the expensive and pointless Ethnic Minority and Traveller "Achievement" Service that the taxpayer funds to the tune of £440,806 and that was just for 2013-14. Absolutely atrocious. The true cost of Dale Farm may well never be revealed. But the cost to the community will echo down the generations including my family. So save your sympathy for the real victims who footed the bill but got nothing but grief in return. And still it goes on...
Lots of stuff on the internet about Dale Farm, some of it with your name attached which if not taken with a pinch of salt paints an awful picture.
Gandy IS an awful picture...house of horror wax museum anybody?
[quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: This is taken from Wikepedia... "After the decision to clear the site, the Council prepared budgetary statements for costs, with a worst case expense estimated at £8 million. Before the injunction of 19 September, the Council said that "The estimated direct operational cost of £6.5m together with estimated post operational costs of £1.5m produce a total of £8m."[5] Predictions of the total cost of eviction varied up to £18 million, including legal costs. In 2012 Basildon Council confirmed that the Dale Farm eviction cost them £4.8 million.[50] This amount included £1.6 million due to contractor expenses resulting from the High Court injunction in September. Essex Police announced that its costs were £2.4 million, and the Home Office had pledged to contribute up to £4.65 million to policing costs. The Department for Communities and Local Government also contributed £1.2 million. Legal aid to residents from 2005 to September 2011 totalled £188,000;[51] costs were paid by the Legal Services Commission. During later court hearings the travellers were represented on a pro-bono basis." I haven't the time to do your research for you but over the years I have seen the true cost to the community and individuals and families within it. The above doesn't even take into account the ongoing cost of their use of local services that they don't pay for. Also the expensive and pointless Ethnic Minority and Traveller "Achievement" Service that the taxpayer funds to the tune of £440,806 and that was just for 2013-14. Absolutely atrocious. The true cost of Dale Farm may well never be revealed. But the cost to the community will echo down the generations including my family. So save your sympathy for the real victims who footed the bill but got nothing but grief in return. And still it goes on...[/p][/quote]Lots of stuff on the internet about Dale Farm, some of it with your name attached which if not taken with a pinch of salt paints an awful picture.[/p][/quote]Gandy IS an awful picture...house of horror wax museum anybody? ThisYear
  • Score: -4

8:14pm Wed 7 May 14

Kim Gandy says...

ThisYear wrote:
InTheKnowOk wrote:
It's all a crock of shyte. ... These non travellers lead the life of riley, if we pitched up caravans on this, or any other piece of land, we would be turfed off pronto. What gives them carte blanche? ...
I have mates that struggle with paying rents of over £750 a month because they can't afford the deposit for a mortgage, some are couples with double incomes. I reckon they should invest in a waggon and park it up on greenbelt and start up a whole new community, just think of the character we could add to the place... Yeah!!! ....
Talking a crock again..

You have as much right to 'pitch up' as anyone else...the thing is you dont have a need to..there lies the difference..seems you are not so 'InTheKnow' as you think you are.

As for your 'mates' (what you have some?) They too can do as the people in the article have done..
You still here?

As if anybody here cares a **** what you think.

Stay on topic and come up with some FACTS instead of slagging everyone else off.

If you can't at least produce one FACT then shove off eh.
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: It's all a crock of shyte. ... These non travellers lead the life of riley, if we pitched up caravans on this, or any other piece of land, we would be turfed off pronto. What gives them carte blanche? ... I have mates that struggle with paying rents of over £750 a month because they can't afford the deposit for a mortgage, some are couples with double incomes. I reckon they should invest in a waggon and park it up on greenbelt and start up a whole new community, just think of the character we could add to the place... Yeah!!! ....[/p][/quote]Talking a crock again.. You have as much right to 'pitch up' as anyone else...the thing is you dont have a need to..there lies the difference..seems you are not so 'InTheKnow' as you think you are. As for your 'mates' (what you have some?) They too can do as the people in the article have done..[/p][/quote]You still here? As if anybody here cares a **** what you think. Stay on topic and come up with some FACTS instead of slagging everyone else off. If you can't at least produce one FACT then shove off eh. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 4

8:15pm Wed 7 May 14

ThisYear says...

Abington86 wrote:
and lets not forget the Mayor of Basildon wasting £1000 after someone took a photo of her on her phone! The 1K was the cost of the investigation the Mayor asked for. Is it a crime to take a photo?

and then there was the massive amount of cash wasted after said Mayor asked police to investigate a clip of her on Utube.

So there is waste everywhere Ms Gandy. Just some amounts have many noughts after them and some do not. Rightly -or wrongly -there will always be waste in public spending.

And it is generally accepted not to believe everything one reads on wikipedia. A bit like not really believing everything you say.

BTW -do you support the Mayor of Basildon this week or loathe her? We really should be told.
Good question
[quote][p][bold]Abington86[/bold] wrote: and lets not forget the Mayor of Basildon wasting £1000 after someone took a photo of her on her phone! The 1K was the cost of the investigation the Mayor asked for. Is it a crime to take a photo? and then there was the massive amount of cash wasted after said Mayor asked police to investigate a clip of her on Utube. So there is waste everywhere Ms Gandy. Just some amounts have many noughts after them and some do not. Rightly -or wrongly -there will always be waste in public spending. And it is generally accepted not to believe everything one reads on wikipedia. A bit like not really believing everything you say. BTW -do you support the Mayor of Basildon this week or loathe her? We really should be told.[/p][/quote]Good question ThisYear
  • Score: -3

8:17pm Wed 7 May 14

ThisYear says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Oh dear you lefties are getting upset. Abington once again hasn't the b@lls to post under his own name.

I don't have to justify to you who my friends are. I am not standing for election, I do not hold public office nor do I have membership of any political party, through my OWN CHOICE.

As for the mayor, most of the cobblers written about her has been made up by you and your mates eh Cllr Cockroach.

All this is because you can see you are going to be annihilated on May 22 so start the dirty tricks. Only you are too stupid to launch it at the right people. What's the point in trashing me or the mayor? It's all been done to death.

As for the youtube video, would you get it investigated if somebody posted that venomous rubbish about your mother? Or yourself? I think so.

As for wasting public money on investigations, try your Labour colleagues for that.. it never amounted to anything because there was never any mileage in it and you know it.

The phone debacle was all explained but you are too stupid to understand. The mayor at no time spoke on her mobile. I was there the whole time and didn't even see her move. Were you there?

The Mo Larkin I know is not the same Mo Larkin you and your twisted hate filled colleagues talk about. She doesn't claim expenses or have a limo with a chauffeur, nor does she eat and drink taxpayers' money. She does in fact spend a lot of her own personal money and time on Basildon doing stuff you don't see because it is not all covered by this newspaper.

But that's you isn't it. Believe everything you see and hear on the internet.

As for you Richy. I do not need lectures on discrimination but while we are on the subject, there are other views expressed about travellers above, some more vociferous than mine but because it's males saying it you are not tackling them are you.... so that means you are discriminating against me.

There - you have your own leftie argument thrown in your face.

You people are too stupid to face me down in a argument. For one, you can't stand the truth and for another thing you can only do it from behind the safety of your keyboard under a FALSE NAME. I conduct my business in the open because I have nothing to hide.

I've got more guts and spine than the two of you turnips put together.

I speak from personal experience not repeated mantras learned from other soap dodgers.

Now, why don't you consider yourselves well and truly whipped, put in your place and made to look the idiots you are.

Even more to the point why don't you EVER stay on topic?
"I am not standing for election, I do not hold public office nor do I have membership of any political party, through my OWN CHOICE."

I believe that to be a lie..not even right-wing extremists would entertain you..with a barge pole..
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: Oh dear you lefties are getting upset. Abington once again hasn't the b@lls to post under his own name. I don't have to justify to you who my friends are. I am not standing for election, I do not hold public office nor do I have membership of any political party, through my OWN CHOICE. As for the mayor, most of the cobblers written about her has been made up by you and your mates eh Cllr Cockroach. All this is because you can see you are going to be annihilated on May 22 so start the dirty tricks. Only you are too stupid to launch it at the right people. What's the point in trashing me or the mayor? It's all been done to death. As for the youtube video, would you get it investigated if somebody posted that venomous rubbish about your mother? Or yourself? I think so. As for wasting public money on investigations, try your Labour colleagues for that.. it never amounted to anything because there was never any mileage in it and you know it. The phone debacle was all explained but you are too stupid to understand. The mayor at no time spoke on her mobile. I was there the whole time and didn't even see her move. Were you there? The Mo Larkin I know is not the same Mo Larkin you and your twisted hate filled colleagues talk about. She doesn't claim expenses or have a limo with a chauffeur, nor does she eat and drink taxpayers' money. She does in fact spend a lot of her own personal money and time on Basildon doing stuff you don't see because it is not all covered by this newspaper. But that's you isn't it. Believe everything you see and hear on the internet. As for you Richy. I do not need lectures on discrimination but while we are on the subject, there are other views expressed about travellers above, some more vociferous than mine but because it's males saying it you are not tackling them are you.... so that means you are discriminating against me. There - you have your own leftie argument thrown in your face. You people are too stupid to face me down in a argument. For one, you can't stand the truth and for another thing you can only do it from behind the safety of your keyboard under a FALSE NAME. I conduct my business in the open because I have nothing to hide. I've got more guts and spine than the two of you turnips put together. I speak from personal experience not repeated mantras learned from other soap dodgers. Now, why don't you consider yourselves well and truly whipped, put in your place and made to look the idiots you are. Even more to the point why don't you EVER stay on topic?[/p][/quote]"I am not standing for election, I do not hold public office nor do I have membership of any political party, through my OWN CHOICE." I believe that to be a lie..not even right-wing extremists would entertain you..with a barge pole.. ThisYear
  • Score: -4

8:18pm Wed 7 May 14

Kim Gandy says...

ThisYear wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.
What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.
Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?
Yes they do..Im sure they and the children who attend school there are well glad to be shut of Gandy in the area and the school...how she ever passed vetting as a school governor must be a concern for all parents with children at school in Essex...who else is lurking as a school governor?
Once again you are bleating on about nothing.

You know nothing and you are nothing. Your opinions count for nothing because you come up with nothing - not factual anyway.

If any of your opinions contained one single FACT we might all listen but once again you are blathering on and talking utter rubbish.

When are you going to understand? I have my enemies here but at least they know I speak from experience and don't do BS. They hate to admit it but it's one of the things they hate about me - and you hate it too. The fact that once again I am right and you are wrong.

Quit bellyaching. Nobody cares.
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.[/p][/quote]What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.[/p][/quote]Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?[/p][/quote]Yes they do..Im sure they and the children who attend school there are well glad to be shut of Gandy in the area and the school...how she ever passed vetting as a school governor must be a concern for all parents with children at school in Essex...who else is lurking as a school governor?[/p][/quote]Once again you are bleating on about nothing. You know nothing and you are nothing. Your opinions count for nothing because you come up with nothing - not factual anyway. If any of your opinions contained one single FACT we might all listen but once again you are blathering on and talking utter rubbish. When are you going to understand? I have my enemies here but at least they know I speak from experience and don't do BS. They hate to admit it but it's one of the things they hate about me - and you hate it too. The fact that once again I am right and you are wrong. Quit bellyaching. Nobody cares. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 4

8:19pm Wed 7 May 14

ThisYear says...

J Arthur Rank wrote:
I'm surprised that LastLaugh, Night'nDay, Minger,etc haven't put in an appearance. Come on- Send in The Clowns!
Dont bother you are already here..

Anything to contribute about the matter Bozo the Divvy?
[quote][p][bold]J Arthur Rank[/bold] wrote: I'm surprised that LastLaugh, Night'nDay, Minger,etc haven't put in an appearance. Come on- Send in The Clowns![/p][/quote]Dont bother you are already here.. Anything to contribute about the matter Bozo the Divvy? ThisYear
  • Score: -6

8:23pm Wed 7 May 14

Kim Gandy says...

ThisYear wrote:
angryofessex wrote:
Keep Ireland tidy, dump your sh*t in Essex.
Ignorant "sh*t"

The people in the article are from Essex..not another country.
Can we have that in writing?

Oh and further to my previous comment on your remark about me being a school governor, you are speaking for every parent in Essex now are you?

You really a presumptious numpty aren't you? Once again, you are in a minority with your ill informed views that lack no substance and no FACTS.

I am going to keep ramming it down your throat until you choke. Let's hear you spout some FACTS and let's see them undersigned with a REAL NAME.

You are the ignorant sh*t around here. And believe me there are others but you really take the prize.
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angryofessex[/bold] wrote: Keep Ireland tidy, dump your sh*t in Essex.[/p][/quote]Ignorant "sh*t" The people in the article are from Essex..not another country.[/p][/quote]Can we have that in writing? Oh and further to my previous comment on your remark about me being a school governor, you are speaking for every parent in Essex now are you? You really a presumptious numpty aren't you? Once again, you are in a minority with your ill informed views that lack no substance and no FACTS. I am going to keep ramming it down your throat until you choke. Let's hear you spout some FACTS and let's see them undersigned with a REAL NAME. You are the ignorant sh*t around here. And believe me there are others but you really take the prize. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 6

8:25pm Wed 7 May 14

Richy don't shine shoes no more says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.
What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.
Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?
Yes they do..Im sure they and the children who attend school there are well glad to be shut of Gandy in the area and the school...how she ever passed vetting as a school governor must be a concern for all parents with children at school in Essex...who else is lurking as a school governor?
Once again you are bleating on about nothing.

You know nothing and you are nothing. Your opinions count for nothing because you come up with nothing - not factual anyway.

If any of your opinions contained one single FACT we might all listen but once again you are blathering on and talking utter rubbish.

When are you going to understand? I have my enemies here but at least they know I speak from experience and don't do BS. They hate to admit it but it's one of the things they hate about me - and you hate it too. The fact that once again I am right and you are wrong.

Quit bellyaching. Nobody cares.
Saying you're right doesn't make it so
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.[/p][/quote]What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.[/p][/quote]Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?[/p][/quote]Yes they do..Im sure they and the children who attend school there are well glad to be shut of Gandy in the area and the school...how she ever passed vetting as a school governor must be a concern for all parents with children at school in Essex...who else is lurking as a school governor?[/p][/quote]Once again you are bleating on about nothing. You know nothing and you are nothing. Your opinions count for nothing because you come up with nothing - not factual anyway. If any of your opinions contained one single FACT we might all listen but once again you are blathering on and talking utter rubbish. When are you going to understand? I have my enemies here but at least they know I speak from experience and don't do BS. They hate to admit it but it's one of the things they hate about me - and you hate it too. The fact that once again I am right and you are wrong. Quit bellyaching. Nobody cares.[/p][/quote]Saying you're right doesn't make it so Richy don't shine shoes no more
  • Score: 0

8:26pm Wed 7 May 14

ThisYear says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Abington86 wrote:
and lets not forget the Mayor of Basildon wasting £1000 after someone took a photo of her on her phone! The 1K was the cost of the investigation the Mayor asked for. Is it a crime to take a photo?

and then there was the massive amount of cash wasted after said Mayor asked police to investigate a clip of her on Utube.

So there is waste everywhere Ms Gandy. Just some amounts have many noughts after them and some do not. Rightly -or wrongly -there will always be waste in public spending.

And it is generally accepted not to believe everything one reads on wikipedia. A bit like not really believing everything you say.

BTW -do you support the Mayor of Basildon this week or loathe her? We really should be told.
Loathe her? I leave it to people like you to loathe her. But then you don't know the person.

I have defended her. You and your nasty clique are the ones doing the loathing. Been chatting to Jo of Pitsea have you? That figures. She has circulated nasty rumours about me too - and I only got to know Mo Larkin because of what Jo had said.so it backfired... Then there are the nasty phone calls and malicious post.

Still, if you like to associate with evil ike her.

I know what it feels like to have idiots launching hate campaigns against you. Not nice but you know what? I am STILL here and will NOT be stifled by bullies like you. Nor do I need to justify myself.

Why can't you openly admit who you are? Eh? Go on, tell us why you cannot undersign your comments with your REAL name.. But we know why don't we...

If you ever bothered to read my comments you will see the involvement I had with the Dale Farm fiasco. But you choose to read rubbish published by HNH and UAF - two groups of leftwing anarchist thugs who like chucking bottles of urine at ten year olds.

Yeah they have great credibility don't they?

My comments on this and other websites never contain racist commentary, just facts. I don't name call them or make anything up. It is all RESEARCHABLE FACT. Much of it has been covered by Jon Austin of this newspaper.

You wouldn't know a fact from a hole in the ground.

And you don't like the fact that I wipe the floor with your argument every single time.

The truth will always win and your race card and nasty hate campaigns are wearing thin. it's all old hat and has been done to death.

And it simply isn't working

:D

Now I have better things to do, you need to start sorting out your election campaign, starting with withdrawing your nasty lies in your campaign literature. Oh dear. The Brown Stuff has hit the fan about that today hasn't it?
"My comments on this and other websites never contain racist commentary, just facts."

Lies!

Are you saying you have never slated Mo and the post put up with you doing just that is a fake?

It would seem EVERYTHING posted which shows you in a bad light you claim to be a fake..have you informed the police of this?

No?

Im sure we know why you haven't.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Abington86[/bold] wrote: and lets not forget the Mayor of Basildon wasting £1000 after someone took a photo of her on her phone! The 1K was the cost of the investigation the Mayor asked for. Is it a crime to take a photo? and then there was the massive amount of cash wasted after said Mayor asked police to investigate a clip of her on Utube. So there is waste everywhere Ms Gandy. Just some amounts have many noughts after them and some do not. Rightly -or wrongly -there will always be waste in public spending. And it is generally accepted not to believe everything one reads on wikipedia. A bit like not really believing everything you say. BTW -do you support the Mayor of Basildon this week or loathe her? We really should be told.[/p][/quote]Loathe her? I leave it to people like you to loathe her. But then you don't know the person. I have defended her. You and your nasty clique are the ones doing the loathing. Been chatting to Jo of Pitsea have you? That figures. She has circulated nasty rumours about me too - and I only got to know Mo Larkin because of what Jo had said.so it backfired... Then there are the nasty phone calls and malicious post. Still, if you like to associate with evil ike her. I know what it feels like to have idiots launching hate campaigns against you. Not nice but you know what? I am STILL here and will NOT be stifled by bullies like you. Nor do I need to justify myself. Why can't you openly admit who you are? Eh? Go on, tell us why you cannot undersign your comments with your REAL name.. But we know why don't we... If you ever bothered to read my comments you will see the involvement I had with the Dale Farm fiasco. But you choose to read rubbish published by HNH and UAF - two groups of leftwing anarchist thugs who like chucking bottles of urine at ten year olds. Yeah they have great credibility don't they? My comments on this and other websites never contain racist commentary, just facts. I don't name call them or make anything up. It is all RESEARCHABLE FACT. Much of it has been covered by Jon Austin of this newspaper. You wouldn't know a fact from a hole in the ground. And you don't like the fact that I wipe the floor with your argument every single time. The truth will always win and your race card and nasty hate campaigns are wearing thin. it's all old hat and has been done to death. And it simply isn't working :D Now I have better things to do, you need to start sorting out your election campaign, starting with withdrawing your nasty lies in your campaign literature. Oh dear. The Brown Stuff has hit the fan about that today hasn't it?[/p][/quote]"My comments on this and other websites never contain racist commentary, just facts." Lies! Are you saying you have never slated Mo and the post put up with you doing just that is a fake? It would seem EVERYTHING posted which shows you in a bad light you claim to be a fake..have you informed the police of this? No? Im sure we know why you haven't. ThisYear
  • Score: -2

8:33pm Wed 7 May 14

ThisYear says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma

kessense
wrote:
Move them back to Dale farm, after all it is their home.
Actually it isn't any more. Do your research. Another one who opens mouth without engaging brain.

There is still the matter of the outstanding £4.3m eviction bill they owe. The council can seize the land if it is not paid.

It's all a matter of economics. It's all gone quiet of course because nobody has the guts to deal with the situation. But the amount of money the taxpayers have spent on this debacle, they are fully entitled to expect the site to be seized.

And if UKIP gets in on 22nd it will be sorted. It ain''t over yet...

Really... you do walk into these things don't you?
Are you stupidly saying the land doesn't belong to them and in the next breath saying it can be sized from them? Pillock

How on earth do they owe this money? Has a court judged they owe it?

And then in the next breath " nobody has the guts to deal with the situation"

The council cannot seize anything off anyone..you really talk out of your fat one dont you?

The council spent the money not the taxpayers...dont blame taxpayers for Basildon's leaders punt at MP'ship.

Ukip are getting in nowhere you silly fool.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: Move them back to Dale farm, after all it is their home.[/p][/quote]Actually it isn't any more. Do your research. Another one who opens mouth without engaging brain. There is still the matter of the outstanding £4.3m eviction bill they owe. The council can seize the land if it is not paid. It's all a matter of economics. It's all gone quiet of course because nobody has the guts to deal with the situation. But the amount of money the taxpayers have spent on this debacle, they are fully entitled to expect the site to be seized. And if UKIP gets in on 22nd it will be sorted. It ain''t over yet... Really... you do walk into these things don't you?[/p][/quote]Are you stupidly saying the land doesn't belong to them and in the next breath saying it can be sized from them? Pillock How on earth do they owe this money? Has a court judged they owe it? And then in the next breath " nobody has the guts to deal with the situation" The council cannot seize anything off anyone..you really talk out of your fat one dont you? The council spent the money not the taxpayers...dont blame taxpayers for Basildon's leaders punt at MP'ship. Ukip are getting in nowhere you silly fool. ThisYear
  • Score: -4

8:37pm Wed 7 May 14

Kim Gandy says...

ThisYear wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
This is taken from Wikepedia... "After the decision to clear the site, the Council prepared budgetary statements for costs, with a worst case expense estimated at £8 million. Before the injunction of 19 September, the Council said that "The estimated direct operational cost of £6.5m together with estimated post operational costs of £1.5m produce a total of £8m." Predictions of the total cost of eviction varied up to £18 million, including legal costs. In 2012 Basildon Council confirmed that the Dale Farm eviction cost them £4.8 million. This amount included £1.6 million due to contractor expenses resulting from the High Court injunction in September. Essex Police announced that its costs were £2.4 million, and the Home Office had pledged to contribute up to £4.65 million to policing costs. The Department for Communities and Local Government also contributed £1.2 million. Legal aid to residents from 2005 to September 2011 totalled £188,000; costs were paid by the Legal Services Commission. During later court hearings the travellers were represented on a pro-bono basis." I haven't the time to do your research for you but over the years I have seen the true cost to the community and individuals and families within it. The above doesn't even take into account the ongoing cost of their use of local services that they don't pay for. Also the expensive and pointless Ethnic Minority and Traveller "Achievement" Service that the taxpayer funds to the tune of £440,806 and that was just for 2013-14. Absolutely atrocious. The true cost of Dale Farm may well never be revealed. But the cost to the community will echo down the generations including my family. So save your sympathy for the real victims who footed the bill but got nothing but grief in return. And still it goes on...
Lots of stuff on the internet about Dale Farm, some of it with your name attached which if not taken with a pinch of salt paints an awful picture.
Gandy IS an awful picture...house of horror wax museum anybody?
Whereas you are aesthetically pleasing NOT.

I can well imagine what you look like. And since you have never met me you don't know what I look like. You may be referring to pictures you've seen but there are none that look remotely horrific. You are probably looking in the mirror.

As for that last comment, it just shows your vitriol, jealousy and rage and inner hatred. You really hate yourself don't you. So you take it out on others. What a saddo.

I have a choice. I can either listen to my (younger) boyfriend and my other male friends (also younger) or I can listen to a sad old scr0te like you.

I think I know which one I will choose.

Morons like you will never destroy my confidence. Put me in a room with you and I know which one people would be talking to.

Now do yourself a favour, take your loathing, hatred, racism, inverted self hate, stupidity, ignorance and arrogance and go and post it all on another website.

I believe you and your leftie friends Abington and Richy will be very welcome on the Guardian website where you can join other paedophile and terrorism supporting lefties. That's what you lefties are into isn't it? Preserving the "human rights" of utter scum.

If you want to see something truly ugly: look in the mirror.

Now once again I have to say, can we stay on topic instead of being diverted by the resident nutcase.

The lift obviously doesn't go to the top floor and the escalator most likely doesn't quite reach the underpants department either.

Now we've sorted out this nutter... the next story about travellers will most likely appear tomorrow. It's the one that appeared in the Echo today about Labour's lies on their election leaflets about travellers. Really... they're always preaching about race hate and yet they use the travellers as a weapon in their pathetic election campaign... Can't wait to comment on that.

Bring it on.

Meanwhile ThisYear and co... I hope Matron gets round with your night time meds very soon.
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: This is taken from Wikepedia... "After the decision to clear the site, the Council prepared budgetary statements for costs, with a worst case expense estimated at £8 million. Before the injunction of 19 September, the Council said that "The estimated direct operational cost of £6.5m together with estimated post operational costs of £1.5m produce a total of £8m."[5] Predictions of the total cost of eviction varied up to £18 million, including legal costs. In 2012 Basildon Council confirmed that the Dale Farm eviction cost them £4.8 million.[50] This amount included £1.6 million due to contractor expenses resulting from the High Court injunction in September. Essex Police announced that its costs were £2.4 million, and the Home Office had pledged to contribute up to £4.65 million to policing costs. The Department for Communities and Local Government also contributed £1.2 million. Legal aid to residents from 2005 to September 2011 totalled £188,000;[51] costs were paid by the Legal Services Commission. During later court hearings the travellers were represented on a pro-bono basis." I haven't the time to do your research for you but over the years I have seen the true cost to the community and individuals and families within it. The above doesn't even take into account the ongoing cost of their use of local services that they don't pay for. Also the expensive and pointless Ethnic Minority and Traveller "Achievement" Service that the taxpayer funds to the tune of £440,806 and that was just for 2013-14. Absolutely atrocious. The true cost of Dale Farm may well never be revealed. But the cost to the community will echo down the generations including my family. So save your sympathy for the real victims who footed the bill but got nothing but grief in return. And still it goes on...[/p][/quote]Lots of stuff on the internet about Dale Farm, some of it with your name attached which if not taken with a pinch of salt paints an awful picture.[/p][/quote]Gandy IS an awful picture...house of horror wax museum anybody?[/p][/quote]Whereas you are aesthetically pleasing NOT. I can well imagine what you look like. And since you have never met me you don't know what I look like. You may be referring to pictures you've seen but there are none that look remotely horrific. You are probably looking in the mirror. As for that last comment, it just shows your vitriol, jealousy and rage and inner hatred. You really hate yourself don't you. So you take it out on others. What a saddo. I have a choice. I can either listen to my (younger) boyfriend and my other male friends (also younger) or I can listen to a sad old scr0te like you. I think I know which one I will choose. Morons like you will never destroy my confidence. Put me in a room with you and I know which one people would be talking to. Now do yourself a favour, take your loathing, hatred, racism, inverted self hate, stupidity, ignorance and arrogance and go and post it all on another website. I believe you and your leftie friends Abington and Richy will be very welcome on the Guardian website where you can join other paedophile and terrorism supporting lefties. That's what you lefties are into isn't it? Preserving the "human rights" of utter scum. If you want to see something truly ugly: look in the mirror. Now once again I have to say, can we stay on topic instead of being diverted by the resident nutcase. The lift obviously doesn't go to the top floor and the escalator most likely doesn't quite reach the underpants department either. Now we've sorted out this nutter... the next story about travellers will most likely appear tomorrow. It's the one that appeared in the Echo today about Labour's lies on their election leaflets about travellers. Really... they're always preaching about race hate and yet they use the travellers as a weapon in their pathetic election campaign... Can't wait to comment on that. Bring it on. Meanwhile ThisYear and co... I hope Matron gets round with your night time meds very soon. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 3

8:43pm Wed 7 May 14

Richy don't shine shoes no more says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
This is taken from Wikepedia... "After the decision to clear the site, the Council prepared budgetary statements for costs, with a worst case expense estimated at £8 million. Before the injunction of 19 September, the Council said that "The estimated direct operational cost of £6.5m together with estimated post operational costs of £1.5m produce a total of £8m." Predictions of the total cost of eviction varied up to £18 million, including legal costs. In 2012 Basildon Council confirmed that the Dale Farm eviction cost them £4.8 million. This amount included £1.6 million due to contractor expenses resulting from the High Court injunction in September. Essex Police announced that its costs were £2.4 million, and the Home Office had pledged to contribute up to £4.65 million to policing costs. The Department for Communities and Local Government also contributed £1.2 million. Legal aid to residents from 2005 to September 2011 totalled £188,000; costs were paid by the Legal Services Commission. During later court hearings the travellers were represented on a pro-bono basis." I haven't the time to do your research for you but over the years I have seen the true cost to the community and individuals and families within it. The above doesn't even take into account the ongoing cost of their use of local services that they don't pay for. Also the expensive and pointless Ethnic Minority and Traveller "Achievement" Service that the taxpayer funds to the tune of £440,806 and that was just for 2013-14. Absolutely atrocious. The true cost of Dale Farm may well never be revealed. But the cost to the community will echo down the generations including my family. So save your sympathy for the real victims who footed the bill but got nothing but grief in return. And still it goes on...
Lots of stuff on the internet about Dale Farm, some of it with your name attached which if not taken with a pinch of salt paints an awful picture.
Gandy IS an awful picture...house of horror wax museum anybody?
Whereas you are aesthetically pleasing NOT.

I can well imagine what you look like. And since you have never met me you don't know what I look like. You may be referring to pictures you've seen but there are none that look remotely horrific. You are probably looking in the mirror.

As for that last comment, it just shows your vitriol, jealousy and rage and inner hatred. You really hate yourself don't you. So you take it out on others. What a saddo.

I have a choice. I can either listen to my (younger) boyfriend and my other male friends (also younger) or I can listen to a sad old scr0te like you.

I think I know which one I will choose.

Morons like you will never destroy my confidence. Put me in a room with you and I know which one people would be talking to.

Now do yourself a favour, take your loathing, hatred, racism, inverted self hate, stupidity, ignorance and arrogance and go and post it all on another website.

I believe you and your leftie friends Abington and Richy will be very welcome on the Guardian website where you can join other paedophile and terrorism supporting lefties. That's what you lefties are into isn't it? Preserving the "human rights" of utter scum.

If you want to see something truly ugly: look in the mirror.

Now once again I have to say, can we stay on topic instead of being diverted by the resident nutcase.

The lift obviously doesn't go to the top floor and the escalator most likely doesn't quite reach the underpants department either.

Now we've sorted out this nutter... the next story about travellers will most likely appear tomorrow. It's the one that appeared in the Echo today about Labour's lies on their election leaflets about travellers. Really... they're always preaching about race hate and yet they use the travellers as a weapon in their pathetic election campaign... Can't wait to comment on that.

Bring it on.

Meanwhile ThisYear and co... I hope Matron gets round with your night time meds very soon.
Nice joke about mental illness Kim. You really are a hateful creature
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: This is taken from Wikepedia... "After the decision to clear the site, the Council prepared budgetary statements for costs, with a worst case expense estimated at £8 million. Before the injunction of 19 September, the Council said that "The estimated direct operational cost of £6.5m together with estimated post operational costs of £1.5m produce a total of £8m."[5] Predictions of the total cost of eviction varied up to £18 million, including legal costs. In 2012 Basildon Council confirmed that the Dale Farm eviction cost them £4.8 million.[50] This amount included £1.6 million due to contractor expenses resulting from the High Court injunction in September. Essex Police announced that its costs were £2.4 million, and the Home Office had pledged to contribute up to £4.65 million to policing costs. The Department for Communities and Local Government also contributed £1.2 million. Legal aid to residents from 2005 to September 2011 totalled £188,000;[51] costs were paid by the Legal Services Commission. During later court hearings the travellers were represented on a pro-bono basis." I haven't the time to do your research for you but over the years I have seen the true cost to the community and individuals and families within it. The above doesn't even take into account the ongoing cost of their use of local services that they don't pay for. Also the expensive and pointless Ethnic Minority and Traveller "Achievement" Service that the taxpayer funds to the tune of £440,806 and that was just for 2013-14. Absolutely atrocious. The true cost of Dale Farm may well never be revealed. But the cost to the community will echo down the generations including my family. So save your sympathy for the real victims who footed the bill but got nothing but grief in return. And still it goes on...[/p][/quote]Lots of stuff on the internet about Dale Farm, some of it with your name attached which if not taken with a pinch of salt paints an awful picture.[/p][/quote]Gandy IS an awful picture...house of horror wax museum anybody?[/p][/quote]Whereas you are aesthetically pleasing NOT. I can well imagine what you look like. And since you have never met me you don't know what I look like. You may be referring to pictures you've seen but there are none that look remotely horrific. You are probably looking in the mirror. As for that last comment, it just shows your vitriol, jealousy and rage and inner hatred. You really hate yourself don't you. So you take it out on others. What a saddo. I have a choice. I can either listen to my (younger) boyfriend and my other male friends (also younger) or I can listen to a sad old scr0te like you. I think I know which one I will choose. Morons like you will never destroy my confidence. Put me in a room with you and I know which one people would be talking to. Now do yourself a favour, take your loathing, hatred, racism, inverted self hate, stupidity, ignorance and arrogance and go and post it all on another website. I believe you and your leftie friends Abington and Richy will be very welcome on the Guardian website where you can join other paedophile and terrorism supporting lefties. That's what you lefties are into isn't it? Preserving the "human rights" of utter scum. If you want to see something truly ugly: look in the mirror. Now once again I have to say, can we stay on topic instead of being diverted by the resident nutcase. The lift obviously doesn't go to the top floor and the escalator most likely doesn't quite reach the underpants department either. Now we've sorted out this nutter... the next story about travellers will most likely appear tomorrow. It's the one that appeared in the Echo today about Labour's lies on their election leaflets about travellers. Really... they're always preaching about race hate and yet they use the travellers as a weapon in their pathetic election campaign... Can't wait to comment on that. Bring it on. Meanwhile ThisYear and co... I hope Matron gets round with your night time meds very soon.[/p][/quote]Nice joke about mental illness Kim. You really are a hateful creature Richy don't shine shoes no more
  • Score: -4

8:45pm Wed 7 May 14

ThisYear says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Just to remind folk, this story is about travellers and not the Mayor of Basildon, a subject I did not raise in the first place.

The nasty remarks attributed to me by this nutter above, that he claims I said about the mayor were in fact the work of one of the Echo's many resident loonytunes who during the last but one bank holiday weekend, took it into his/her head to post under pseudonyms that looked like my name.

However, these were slightly mis-spelt, with punctuation or odd letters in and so obviously not written by me that some people here with more than half a brain cell actually recognised as not my style.

Of course, idiots do not check these things and believe everything they see.

I came on here and made it clear the remarks were not from me and reported these incidences to the Echo via the report button and the editor.

Just to clear up any confusion, not that I have to justify myself to a certified plum duff.

Right, back to the issue in hand...

I fail to see why these issue are always delayed. If this was anyone else there would be an immediate stop notice issued and the perpetrators would be made to leave without delay.

Allowing these matters to go on and on at cost to the taxpayer is an abdication of duty on the part of the authorities.

And why have none of them used the perfectly legitimate Public Order Act to remove groups of people from premises they are not entitled to be on.

And let's get another thing straight. Ownership of a piece of land does not guarantee a person or group's right to build on it. It depends on the status of the land.

I could buy a piece of green belt just outside Rayleigh and start building a plot for my family. However, we all know if I were to do that I'd soon be given my marching orders and forcibly removed if I refused to comply.

There really CANNOT be one law for one and another for everyone else.

In any other country you abide by its laws and customs and if you cannot do this you have no right to be there.

Why should it be any different in this country? This pushes people's tolerance much too far.

People are sick and tired of seeing minorities favoured while they feel the full force of the law.

And it is beginning to show on the doorsteps and in the polls.

This time it will NOT be a protest vote.

The lefties are on the back foot so they are throwing everything they can at it as was seen on page 4 of Basildon issue of the Echo today.

Lies, lies and more lies on the part of the Labour group on the subject of travellers.

However, I will wait for that story to be posted in order to comment in full.
The comment about Mo were made sometime ago Gandy...is this another example of your "facts" ?

Explain what a stop notice is and then let others to see how you are using terms out of context to fool the ignorant.

Stop notices do not make people "leave without delay" More non-facts posted as fact

How is this delay costing the taxpayer money?

The people own the land they are on..seems you have forgotten that in your slobbering diatribe

Have these people "built" on their land? If not why imply they have?


"I could buy a piece of green belt just outside Rayleigh and start building a plot for my family"

Gandy lets face 'facts' you couldn't buy a green p!sspot for your family never mind land...your racial hate, in my opinion, has made you virtually unemployable.

You seem to have missed the 'fact' that people do get removed from land they own and without having attempted to build on it.

Are the 'laws' different in this country from some and not for others..can you give an example of that?

What were the lies by the labour group about Travellers..can you say?

You are a fantasist Gandy and a hateful one at that.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: Just to remind folk, this story is about travellers and not the Mayor of Basildon, a subject I did not raise in the first place. The nasty remarks attributed to me by this nutter above, that he claims I said about the mayor were in fact the work of one of the Echo's many resident loonytunes who during the last but one bank holiday weekend, took it into his/her head to post under pseudonyms that looked like my name. However, these were slightly mis-spelt, with punctuation or odd letters in and so obviously not written by me that some people here with more than half a brain cell actually recognised as not my style. Of course, idiots do not check these things and believe everything they see. I came on here and made it clear the remarks were not from me and reported these incidences to the Echo via the report button and the editor. Just to clear up any confusion, not that I have to justify myself to a certified plum duff. Right, back to the issue in hand... I fail to see why these issue are always delayed. If this was anyone else there would be an immediate stop notice issued and the perpetrators would be made to leave without delay. Allowing these matters to go on and on at cost to the taxpayer is an abdication of duty on the part of the authorities. And why have none of them used the perfectly legitimate Public Order Act to remove groups of people from premises they are not entitled to be on. And let's get another thing straight. Ownership of a piece of land does not guarantee a person or group's right to build on it. It depends on the status of the land. I could buy a piece of green belt just outside Rayleigh and start building a plot for my family. However, we all know if I were to do that I'd soon be given my marching orders and forcibly removed if I refused to comply. There really CANNOT be one law for one and another for everyone else. In any other country you abide by its laws and customs and if you cannot do this you have no right to be there. Why should it be any different in this country? This pushes people's tolerance much too far. People are sick and tired of seeing minorities favoured while they feel the full force of the law. And it is beginning to show on the doorsteps and in the polls. This time it will NOT be a protest vote. The lefties are on the back foot so they are throwing everything they can at it as was seen on page 4 of Basildon issue of the Echo today. Lies, lies and more lies on the part of the Labour group on the subject of travellers. However, I will wait for that story to be posted in order to comment in full.[/p][/quote]The comment about Mo were made sometime ago Gandy...is this another example of your "facts" ? Explain what a stop notice is and then let others to see how you are using terms out of context to fool the ignorant. Stop notices do not make people "leave without delay" More non-facts posted as fact How is this delay costing the taxpayer money? The people own the land they are on..seems you have forgotten that in your slobbering diatribe Have these people "built" on their land? If not why imply they have? "I could buy a piece of green belt just outside Rayleigh and start building a plot for my family" Gandy lets face 'facts' you couldn't buy a green p!sspot for your family never mind land...your racial hate, in my opinion, has made you virtually unemployable. You seem to have missed the 'fact' that people do get removed from land they own and without having attempted to build on it. Are the 'laws' different in this country from some and not for others..can you give an example of that? What were the lies by the labour group about Travellers..can you say? You are a fantasist Gandy and a hateful one at that. ThisYear
  • Score: -3

8:55pm Wed 7 May 14

Kim Gandy says...

Nope. Haven't read the rest of your lies, BS and general fantasy TY. Just cannot be bothered. I've heard it all before and it makes not one iota of difference. I will stand my ground on this subject and sign my comments with my real name, unlike you , who hasn't the guts to do so.

Love me or loathe me, you cannot ignore me. And just to get a reaction from you tells me one thing. You are rattled. And you are rattled because you know the truth but are too deluded to accept it as such.

Like I said, you are a liar, fantasist and purveyor of rubbish and most people here see you for what you are.

A sad, twisted, deluded fruitloop.

I'm not reading any more of your rubbish. I do not have to justify myself to you or any of the other twits. However, you have upset others on here too. They may not support me much on here but we all have one thing in common.

We all think you need help.

When you start to write some FACTS, I might take notice. Until then, you have had your lot from me today. I simply cannot waste any more of my valuable time passing the time of day with somebody as low as you.
Nope. Haven't read the rest of your lies, BS and general fantasy TY. Just cannot be bothered. I've heard it all before and it makes not one iota of difference. I will stand my ground on this subject and sign my comments with my real name, unlike you , who hasn't the guts to do so. Love me or loathe me, you cannot ignore me. And just to get a reaction from you tells me one thing. You are rattled. And you are rattled because you know the truth but are too deluded to accept it as such. Like I said, you are a liar, fantasist and purveyor of rubbish and most people here see you for what you are. A sad, twisted, deluded fruitloop. I'm not reading any more of your rubbish. I do not have to justify myself to you or any of the other twits. However, you have upset others on here too. They may not support me much on here but we all have one thing in common. We all think you need help. When you start to write some FACTS, I might take notice. Until then, you have had your lot from me today. I simply cannot waste any more of my valuable time passing the time of day with somebody as low as you. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 3

8:57pm Wed 7 May 14

ThisYear says...

Nebs wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
Chris Flunk wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.
What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.
Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?
They own the land at Janda Fields too. That shouldn't give someone the right to develop green belt land, apply for retrospective planning permission and stay on the land for years while repeatedly raising costly appeals and legal challenges.

These situations should be fast-tracked. If you develop green belt land without planning permission, the site should be immediately returned to pristine condition at the owner's expense.
Who is "They"

Are you claiming all the people on DF own Janda Fields?

If not why do you refer to the owners as "They"

If Mr Patel owns a corner shop does that mean Mr Singh also owns the shop?

Retro application is used by many people in this country and by big companies...its a right people have..are you looking to restrict peoples rights because you dont agree with the right or dont like the 'race' of the people using the right?

If everyone could do that wouldn't you and all of us find ourself objected to for some reason or other?

The fullness of the law is there for all..do you want to also restrict that to only certain people that you approve of? And what if/when that is restricted to you?

basildon council, who wasted millions of pounds to evict people off their own land, is now allowing building on GB land willy nilly...have you complained to them?
Basildon Council did not waste millions. It was money well spent.
Well thats your rather skewed opinion and you are welcome to it..I think even Ga Ga wouldn't agree it was money well spent..
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.[/p][/quote]What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.[/p][/quote]Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?[/p][/quote]They own the land at Janda Fields too. That shouldn't give someone the right to develop green belt land, apply for retrospective planning permission and stay on the land for years while repeatedly raising costly appeals and legal challenges. These situations should be fast-tracked. If you develop green belt land without planning permission, the site should be immediately returned to pristine condition at the owner's expense.[/p][/quote]Who is "They" Are you claiming all the people on DF own Janda Fields? If not why do you refer to the owners as "They" If Mr Patel owns a corner shop does that mean Mr Singh also owns the shop? Retro application is used by many people in this country and by big companies...its a right people have..are you looking to restrict peoples rights because you dont agree with the right or dont like the 'race' of the people using the right? If everyone could do that wouldn't you and all of us find ourself objected to for some reason or other? The fullness of the law is there for all..do you want to also restrict that to only certain people that you approve of? And what if/when that is restricted to you? basildon council, who wasted millions of pounds to evict people off their own land, is now allowing building on GB land willy nilly...have you complained to them?[/p][/quote]Basildon Council did not waste millions. It was money well spent.[/p][/quote]Well thats your rather skewed opinion and you are welcome to it..I think even Ga Ga wouldn't agree it was money well spent.. ThisYear
  • Score: -2

9:08pm Wed 7 May 14

ThisYear says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Nope. Haven't read the rest of your lies, BS and general fantasy TY. Just cannot be bothered. I've heard it all before and it makes not one iota of difference. I will stand my ground on this subject and sign my comments with my real name, unlike you , who hasn't the guts to do so.

Love me or loathe me, you cannot ignore me. And just to get a reaction from you tells me one thing. You are rattled. And you are rattled because you know the truth but are too deluded to accept it as such.

Like I said, you are a liar, fantasist and purveyor of rubbish and most people here see you for what you are.

A sad, twisted, deluded fruitloop.

I'm not reading any more of your rubbish. I do not have to justify myself to you or any of the other twits. However, you have upset others on here too. They may not support me much on here but we all have one thing in common.

We all think you need help.

When you start to write some FACTS, I might take notice. Until then, you have had your lot from me today. I simply cannot waste any more of my valuable time passing the time of day with somebody as low as you.
Oh dear oh Lor...Another obvious lie from Ga Ga Gandy..

By saying you haven't read the 'rest' you imply you have read at least one of my posts..which one was it? Do say and we can debate the comments on it and maybe you will give answers to your rather dubious claims..

Gandy you cant hide who and what you are.. your hate pollutes the internet for all to see and will for years to come..

ignoring one such as you gives succour to racists..such should be confronted time and again till they slither under the rock they emerged from..

You facts are unproven and are in the most deluded lies..

I challenge you to provide evidence of your 'facts' and rather than do that you look to flee the thread..which proves you have no facts just lies and unsubstantiated claims..

Two questions; do you think you would ever be able to be a school governor anywhere in the UK?

If not why not?
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: Nope. Haven't read the rest of your lies, BS and general fantasy TY. Just cannot be bothered. I've heard it all before and it makes not one iota of difference. I will stand my ground on this subject and sign my comments with my real name, unlike you , who hasn't the guts to do so. Love me or loathe me, you cannot ignore me. And just to get a reaction from you tells me one thing. You are rattled. And you are rattled because you know the truth but are too deluded to accept it as such. Like I said, you are a liar, fantasist and purveyor of rubbish and most people here see you for what you are. A sad, twisted, deluded fruitloop. I'm not reading any more of your rubbish. I do not have to justify myself to you or any of the other twits. However, you have upset others on here too. They may not support me much on here but we all have one thing in common. We all think you need help. When you start to write some FACTS, I might take notice. Until then, you have had your lot from me today. I simply cannot waste any more of my valuable time passing the time of day with somebody as low as you.[/p][/quote]Oh dear oh Lor...Another obvious lie from Ga Ga Gandy.. By saying you haven't read the 'rest' you imply you have read at least one of my posts..which one was it? Do say and we can debate the comments on it and maybe you will give answers to your rather dubious claims.. Gandy you cant hide who and what you are.. your hate pollutes the internet for all to see and will for years to come.. ignoring one such as you gives succour to racists..such should be confronted time and again till they slither under the rock they emerged from.. You facts are unproven and are in the most deluded lies.. I challenge you to provide evidence of your 'facts' and rather than do that you look to flee the thread..which proves you have no facts just lies and unsubstantiated claims.. Two questions; do you think you would ever be able to be a school governor anywhere in the UK? If not why not? ThisYear
  • Score: -4

9:11pm Wed 7 May 14

Kim Gandy says...

As for you Richy. I didn't read your last diatribe either.

However, when you can REALLY say you know me, anything about me or my family, my life or anything remotely related to me and say it with authority and sign it with your real name, you come back and say it.

Until then do be careful what you say because remember there are laws about defamation and libel. Don't always assume that you cannot be held to account under them either.

Now scuttle back to your Labour group meeting. Funny how you all appear together, either one person with alter egos or a small group of vitriolic sad little men.

You are NOT making a difference and you will NOT stop my freedom of speech. So it's feeble even trying.

The REAL villains of the piece will be exposed in time and I am working towards outing those who posted libellous and fictitious cr@p online about me. There are others with more influence also looking into the same people and I have to say, there are police investigations going on.

So make my day and carry on blathering because people like you are just grist to the mill to me.

Sad thing for you is all your hate, vitriol, racism and discrimination will come back and bite you on the @ss. The net is closing. Some people are very rattled. And it is so evident on here.

If I didn't rattle your cage you'd ignore me. How unbearable THAT would be!

:D

Now I suggest matron ups the dose on your antipsychotics... you are seriously in need of addressing those self hate issues of yours and your bitter hatred towards total strangers.

Dear God, can ANYBODY stay on topic here...
As for you Richy. I didn't read your last diatribe either. However, when you can REALLY say you know me, anything about me or my family, my life or anything remotely related to me and say it with authority and sign it with your real name, you come back and say it. Until then do be careful what you say because remember there are laws about defamation and libel. Don't always assume that you cannot be held to account under them either. Now scuttle back to your Labour group meeting. Funny how you all appear together, either one person with alter egos or a small group of vitriolic sad little men. You are NOT making a difference and you will NOT stop my freedom of speech. So it's feeble even trying. The REAL villains of the piece will be exposed in time and I am working towards outing those who posted libellous and fictitious cr@p online about me. There are others with more influence also looking into the same people and I have to say, there are police investigations going on. So make my day and carry on blathering because people like you are just grist to the mill to me. Sad thing for you is all your hate, vitriol, racism and discrimination will come back and bite you on the @ss. The net is closing. Some people are very rattled. And it is so evident on here. If I didn't rattle your cage you'd ignore me. How unbearable THAT would be! :D Now I suggest matron ups the dose on your antipsychotics... you are seriously in need of addressing those self hate issues of yours and your bitter hatred towards total strangers. Dear God, can ANYBODY stay on topic here... Kim Gandy
  • Score: 0

9:17pm Wed 7 May 14

Richy don't shine shoes no more says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
As for you Richy. I didn't read your last diatribe either.

However, when you can REALLY say you know me, anything about me or my family, my life or anything remotely related to me and say it with authority and sign it with your real name, you come back and say it.

Until then do be careful what you say because remember there are laws about defamation and libel. Don't always assume that you cannot be held to account under them either.

Now scuttle back to your Labour group meeting. Funny how you all appear together, either one person with alter egos or a small group of vitriolic sad little men.

You are NOT making a difference and you will NOT stop my freedom of speech. So it's feeble even trying.

The REAL villains of the piece will be exposed in time and I am working towards outing those who posted libellous and fictitious cr@p online about me. There are others with more influence also looking into the same people and I have to say, there are police investigations going on.

So make my day and carry on blathering because people like you are just grist to the mill to me.

Sad thing for you is all your hate, vitriol, racism and discrimination will come back and bite you on the @ss. The net is closing. Some people are very rattled. And it is so evident on here.

If I didn't rattle your cage you'd ignore me. How unbearable THAT would be!

:D

Now I suggest matron ups the dose on your antipsychotics... you are seriously in need of addressing those self hate issues of yours and your bitter hatred towards total strangers.

Dear God, can ANYBODY stay on topic here...
Again with the jokes about the mentally ill. No shame
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: As for you Richy. I didn't read your last diatribe either. However, when you can REALLY say you know me, anything about me or my family, my life or anything remotely related to me and say it with authority and sign it with your real name, you come back and say it. Until then do be careful what you say because remember there are laws about defamation and libel. Don't always assume that you cannot be held to account under them either. Now scuttle back to your Labour group meeting. Funny how you all appear together, either one person with alter egos or a small group of vitriolic sad little men. You are NOT making a difference and you will NOT stop my freedom of speech. So it's feeble even trying. The REAL villains of the piece will be exposed in time and I am working towards outing those who posted libellous and fictitious cr@p online about me. There are others with more influence also looking into the same people and I have to say, there are police investigations going on. So make my day and carry on blathering because people like you are just grist to the mill to me. Sad thing for you is all your hate, vitriol, racism and discrimination will come back and bite you on the @ss. The net is closing. Some people are very rattled. And it is so evident on here. If I didn't rattle your cage you'd ignore me. How unbearable THAT would be! :D Now I suggest matron ups the dose on your antipsychotics... you are seriously in need of addressing those self hate issues of yours and your bitter hatred towards total strangers. Dear God, can ANYBODY stay on topic here...[/p][/quote]Again with the jokes about the mentally ill. No shame Richy don't shine shoes no more
  • Score: 0

9:22pm Wed 7 May 14

ThisYear says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
This is taken from Wikepedia... "After the decision to clear the site, the Council prepared budgetary statements for costs, with a worst case expense estimated at £8 million. Before the injunction of 19 September, the Council said that "The estimated direct operational cost of £6.5m together with estimated post operational costs of £1.5m produce a total of £8m." Predictions of the total cost of eviction varied up to £18 million, including legal costs. In 2012 Basildon Council confirmed that the Dale Farm eviction cost them £4.8 million. This amount included £1.6 million due to contractor expenses resulting from the High Court injunction in September. Essex Police announced that its costs were £2.4 million, and the Home Office had pledged to contribute up to £4.65 million to policing costs. The Department for Communities and Local Government also contributed £1.2 million. Legal aid to residents from 2005 to September 2011 totalled £188,000; costs were paid by the Legal Services Commission. During later court hearings the travellers were represented on a pro-bono basis." I haven't the time to do your research for you but over the years I have seen the true cost to the community and individuals and families within it. The above doesn't even take into account the ongoing cost of their use of local services that they don't pay for. Also the expensive and pointless Ethnic Minority and Traveller "Achievement" Service that the taxpayer funds to the tune of £440,806 and that was just for 2013-14. Absolutely atrocious. The true cost of Dale Farm may well never be revealed. But the cost to the community will echo down the generations including my family. So save your sympathy for the real victims who footed the bill but got nothing but grief in return. And still it goes on...
Lots of stuff on the internet about Dale Farm, some of it with your name attached which if not taken with a pinch of salt paints an awful picture.
Gandy IS an awful picture...house of horror wax museum anybody?
Whereas you are aesthetically pleasing NOT.

I can well imagine what you look like. And since you have never met me you don't know what I look like. You may be referring to pictures you've seen but there are none that look remotely horrific. You are probably looking in the mirror.

As for that last comment, it just shows your vitriol, jealousy and rage and inner hatred. You really hate yourself don't you. So you take it out on others. What a saddo.

I have a choice. I can either listen to my (younger) boyfriend and my other male friends (also younger) or I can listen to a sad old scr0te like you.

I think I know which one I will choose.

Morons like you will never destroy my confidence. Put me in a room with you and I know which one people would be talking to.

Now do yourself a favour, take your loathing, hatred, racism, inverted self hate, stupidity, ignorance and arrogance and go and post it all on another website.

I believe you and your leftie friends Abington and Richy will be very welcome on the Guardian website where you can join other paedophile and terrorism supporting lefties. That's what you lefties are into isn't it? Preserving the "human rights" of utter scum.

If you want to see something truly ugly: look in the mirror.

Now once again I have to say, can we stay on topic instead of being diverted by the resident nutcase.

The lift obviously doesn't go to the top floor and the escalator most likely doesn't quite reach the underpants department either.

Now we've sorted out this nutter... the next story about travellers will most likely appear tomorrow. It's the one that appeared in the Echo today about Labour's lies on their election leaflets about travellers. Really... they're always preaching about race hate and yet they use the travellers as a weapon in their pathetic election campaign... Can't wait to comment on that.

Bring it on.

Meanwhile ThisYear and co... I hope Matron gets round with your night time meds very soon.
Have you seen me to make that comment Ga Ga?

If not doesn't this then show the worth of your comments and opinions?

I do indeed know what you look like having seen many pictures of you on the internet..and shamefully all popping up without a discretionary warning..talking about popping up or out, as the case may be...have you found a dress to fit you yet?

Its my opinion decent people wouldn't talk to you Gandy, if your history were known to them...taking part in what many would consider an apartheid act would cause you to be shunned by all proper thinking people. (against innocent children for goodness sake)

"escalator most likely doesn't quite reach the underpants department either"

Oh dear..now Ga Ga has taken to making ridiculous comment as this..I wonder if she can explain just what it is supposed to mean..

Ga Ga if you lived to be 100 (in another 8 years going by your pictures) you wouldn't be able to sort me out..in anyway..

Im sure the only one with access to a matron is you Ga Ga.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: This is taken from Wikepedia... "After the decision to clear the site, the Council prepared budgetary statements for costs, with a worst case expense estimated at £8 million. Before the injunction of 19 September, the Council said that "The estimated direct operational cost of £6.5m together with estimated post operational costs of £1.5m produce a total of £8m."[5] Predictions of the total cost of eviction varied up to £18 million, including legal costs. In 2012 Basildon Council confirmed that the Dale Farm eviction cost them £4.8 million.[50] This amount included £1.6 million due to contractor expenses resulting from the High Court injunction in September. Essex Police announced that its costs were £2.4 million, and the Home Office had pledged to contribute up to £4.65 million to policing costs. The Department for Communities and Local Government also contributed £1.2 million. Legal aid to residents from 2005 to September 2011 totalled £188,000;[51] costs were paid by the Legal Services Commission. During later court hearings the travellers were represented on a pro-bono basis." I haven't the time to do your research for you but over the years I have seen the true cost to the community and individuals and families within it. The above doesn't even take into account the ongoing cost of their use of local services that they don't pay for. Also the expensive and pointless Ethnic Minority and Traveller "Achievement" Service that the taxpayer funds to the tune of £440,806 and that was just for 2013-14. Absolutely atrocious. The true cost of Dale Farm may well never be revealed. But the cost to the community will echo down the generations including my family. So save your sympathy for the real victims who footed the bill but got nothing but grief in return. And still it goes on...[/p][/quote]Lots of stuff on the internet about Dale Farm, some of it with your name attached which if not taken with a pinch of salt paints an awful picture.[/p][/quote]Gandy IS an awful picture...house of horror wax museum anybody?[/p][/quote]Whereas you are aesthetically pleasing NOT. I can well imagine what you look like. And since you have never met me you don't know what I look like. You may be referring to pictures you've seen but there are none that look remotely horrific. You are probably looking in the mirror. As for that last comment, it just shows your vitriol, jealousy and rage and inner hatred. You really hate yourself don't you. So you take it out on others. What a saddo. I have a choice. I can either listen to my (younger) boyfriend and my other male friends (also younger) or I can listen to a sad old scr0te like you. I think I know which one I will choose. Morons like you will never destroy my confidence. Put me in a room with you and I know which one people would be talking to. Now do yourself a favour, take your loathing, hatred, racism, inverted self hate, stupidity, ignorance and arrogance and go and post it all on another website. I believe you and your leftie friends Abington and Richy will be very welcome on the Guardian website where you can join other paedophile and terrorism supporting lefties. That's what you lefties are into isn't it? Preserving the "human rights" of utter scum. If you want to see something truly ugly: look in the mirror. Now once again I have to say, can we stay on topic instead of being diverted by the resident nutcase. The lift obviously doesn't go to the top floor and the escalator most likely doesn't quite reach the underpants department either. Now we've sorted out this nutter... the next story about travellers will most likely appear tomorrow. It's the one that appeared in the Echo today about Labour's lies on their election leaflets about travellers. Really... they're always preaching about race hate and yet they use the travellers as a weapon in their pathetic election campaign... Can't wait to comment on that. Bring it on. Meanwhile ThisYear and co... I hope Matron gets round with your night time meds very soon.[/p][/quote]Have you seen me to make that comment Ga Ga? If not doesn't this then show the worth of your comments and opinions? I do indeed know what you look like having seen many pictures of you on the internet..and shamefully all popping up without a discretionary warning..talking about popping up or out, as the case may be...have you found a dress to fit you yet? Its my opinion decent people wouldn't talk to you Gandy, if your history were known to them...taking part in what many would consider an apartheid act would cause you to be shunned by all proper thinking people. (against innocent children for goodness sake) "escalator most likely doesn't quite reach the underpants department either" Oh dear..now Ga Ga has taken to making ridiculous comment as this..I wonder if she can explain just what it is supposed to mean.. Ga Ga if you lived to be 100 (in another 8 years going by your pictures) you wouldn't be able to sort me out..in anyway.. Im sure the only one with access to a matron is you Ga Ga. ThisYear
  • Score: -3

9:29pm Wed 7 May 14

ThisYear says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.
What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.
Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?
Yes they do..Im sure they and the children who attend school there are well glad to be shut of Gandy in the area and the school...how she ever passed vetting as a school governor must be a concern for all parents with children at school in Essex...who else is lurking as a school governor?
Once again you are bleating on about nothing.

You know nothing and you are nothing. Your opinions count for nothing because you come up with nothing - not factual anyway.

If any of your opinions contained one single FACT we might all listen but once again you are blathering on and talking utter rubbish.

When are you going to understand? I have my enemies here but at least they know I speak from experience and don't do BS. They hate to admit it but it's one of the things they hate about me - and you hate it too. The fact that once again I am right and you are wrong.

Quit bellyaching. Nobody cares.
You feel being part of an apartheid act which concerned little innocent children is "nothing"

That really does sun you up..you are a disgusting individual and all who support you are tainted by that..

I have challenged your facts and you hide from answering the challenge..That is a fact! Show on bit of evidence about your claims..

You are delusional and all who agree with you are just as bad..for they are either stupid or are egging you on out of maliciousness.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.[/p][/quote]What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.[/p][/quote]Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?[/p][/quote]Yes they do..Im sure they and the children who attend school there are well glad to be shut of Gandy in the area and the school...how she ever passed vetting as a school governor must be a concern for all parents with children at school in Essex...who else is lurking as a school governor?[/p][/quote]Once again you are bleating on about nothing. You know nothing and you are nothing. Your opinions count for nothing because you come up with nothing - not factual anyway. If any of your opinions contained one single FACT we might all listen but once again you are blathering on and talking utter rubbish. When are you going to understand? I have my enemies here but at least they know I speak from experience and don't do BS. They hate to admit it but it's one of the things they hate about me - and you hate it too. The fact that once again I am right and you are wrong. Quit bellyaching. Nobody cares.[/p][/quote]You feel being part of an apartheid act which concerned little innocent children is "nothing" That really does sun you up..you are a disgusting individual and all who support you are tainted by that.. I have challenged your facts and you hide from answering the challenge..That is a fact! Show on bit of evidence about your claims.. You are delusional and all who agree with you are just as bad..for they are either stupid or are egging you on out of maliciousness. ThisYear
  • Score: -6

10:46pm Wed 7 May 14

profondo asbo says...

no knock out punches yet. keep it up....bare knuckles only....great entertainment
no knock out punches yet. keep it up....bare knuckles only....great entertainment profondo asbo
  • Score: -1

10:48pm Wed 7 May 14

profondo asbo says...

got snuff movie on pause...
got snuff movie on pause... profondo asbo
  • Score: -5

11:05pm Wed 7 May 14

InTheKnowOk says...

ThisYear wrote:
InTheKnowOk wrote:
It's all a crock of shyte. ... These non travellers lead the life of riley, if we pitched up caravans on this, or any other piece of land, we would be turfed off pronto. What gives them carte blanche? ...
I have mates that struggle with paying rents of over £750 a month because they can't afford the deposit for a mortgage, some are couples with double incomes. I reckon they should invest in a waggon and park it up on greenbelt and start up a whole new community, just think of the character we could add to the place... Yeah!!! ....
Talking a crock again..

You have as much right to 'pitch up' as anyone else...the thing is you dont have a need to..there lies the difference..seems you are not so 'InTheKnow' as you think you are.

As for your 'mates' (what you have some?) They too can do as the people in the article have done..
Don't tell me you think that they are there because they have nowhere to go ... LOL ... Deluded or what!!!! .... They buy land that is greenbelt knowing full well that they can't live on it yet they do so anyway regardless of what's legal or not .. If they wanted they could be re-homed but they don't want that, not because they are (non) travellers and want to keep up their traditions, but because it would mean they have to pay council tax, water rates, etc like the rest of us.. How else do you think they can afford all the top of the range caravans, trucks and vans that they flit about in? ..

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[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: It's all a crock of shyte. ... These non travellers lead the life of riley, if we pitched up caravans on this, or any other piece of land, we would be turfed off pronto. What gives them carte blanche? ... I have mates that struggle with paying rents of over £750 a month because they can't afford the deposit for a mortgage, some are couples with double incomes. I reckon they should invest in a waggon and park it up on greenbelt and start up a whole new community, just think of the character we could add to the place... Yeah!!! ....[/p][/quote]Talking a crock again.. You have as much right to 'pitch up' as anyone else...the thing is you dont have a need to..there lies the difference..seems you are not so 'InTheKnow' as you think you are. As for your 'mates' (what you have some?) They too can do as the people in the article have done..[/p][/quote]Don't tell me you think that they are there because they have nowhere to go ... LOL ... Deluded or what!!!! .... They buy land that is greenbelt knowing full well that they can't live on it yet they do so anyway regardless of what's legal or not .. If they wanted they could be re-homed but they don't want that, not because they are (non) travellers and want to keep up their traditions, but because it would mean they have to pay council tax, water rates, etc like the rest of us.. How else do you think they can afford all the top of the range caravans, trucks and vans that they flit about in? .. . . InTheKnowOk
  • Score: 7

11:17pm Wed 7 May 14

iknowbetter says...

profondo asbo wrote:
got snuff movie on pause...
Gandy does Basildon!! lol
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: got snuff movie on pause...[/p][/quote]Gandy does Basildon!! lol iknowbetter
  • Score: -6

12:12am Thu 8 May 14

Idontknowy says...

All of which has got away from the main point of the article i.e. Why is it taking so long to make a decision about this appeal. Surely there must be time limits on this sort of thing
All of which has got away from the main point of the article i.e. Why is it taking so long to make a decision about this appeal. Surely there must be time limits on this sort of thing Idontknowy
  • Score: 4

9:13am Thu 8 May 14

profondo asbo says...

iknowbetter wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
got snuff movie on pause...
Gandy does Basildon!! lol
snatch?
[quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: got snuff movie on pause...[/p][/quote]Gandy does Basildon!! lol[/p][/quote]snatch? profondo asbo
  • Score: -8

11:00am Thu 8 May 14

Chris Flunk says...

ThisYear wrote:
Chris Flunk wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.
What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.
Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?
They own the land at Janda Fields too. That shouldn't give someone the right to develop green belt land, apply for retrospective planning permission and stay on the land for years while repeatedly raising costly appeals and legal challenges. These situations should be fast-tracked. If you develop green belt land without planning permission, the site should be immediately returned to pristine condition at the owner's expense.
Who is "They" Are you claiming all the people on DF own Janda Fields? If not why do you refer to the owners as "They" If Mr Patel owns a corner shop does that mean Mr Singh also owns the shop? Retro application is used by many people in this country and by big companies...its a right people have..are you looking to restrict peoples rights because you dont agree with the right or dont like the 'race' of the people using the right? If everyone could do that wouldn't you and all of us find ourself objected to for some reason or other? The fullness of the law is there for all..do you want to also restrict that to only certain people that you approve of? And what if/when that is restricted to you? basildon council, who wasted millions of pounds to evict people off their own land, is now allowing building on GB land willy nilly...have you complained to them?
The "They" I am referring to are the owners and occupants of Janda Fields. You wouldn't think that it's difficult to derive that from the context.

I have said nothing about who should or should not be allowed to develop on green belt. The laws in this country have always applied equally to all, you are bringing 'race' into my comment for your own agenda.

Retro application is currently a right that people have but, to me it does not seem to be in the best interest of the conservation of green belt or the considered and managed development where it is required. The laws in this country are regularly reviewed and updated or even repealed. I am suggesting that perhaps it is time to review planning law in relation to green belt development.

On your final point, I don't live in Basildon, why would I complain to Basildon Council? I have provided feedback to my local council on their development plan and highlighted where I feel that development of green belt sites is not in the best interest of the community. Let’s not have another argument about this. I’m entitled to my opinion and you are entitled to yours. In the future though, do try to keep your thinly veiled accusations of discrimination to yourself.
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.[/p][/quote]What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.[/p][/quote]Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?[/p][/quote]They own the land at Janda Fields too. That shouldn't give someone the right to develop green belt land, apply for retrospective planning permission and stay on the land for years while repeatedly raising costly appeals and legal challenges. These situations should be fast-tracked. If you develop green belt land without planning permission, the site should be immediately returned to pristine condition at the owner's expense.[/p][/quote]Who is "They" Are you claiming all the people on DF own Janda Fields? If not why do you refer to the owners as "They" If Mr Patel owns a corner shop does that mean Mr Singh also owns the shop? Retro application is used by many people in this country and by big companies...its a right people have..are you looking to restrict peoples rights because you dont agree with the right or dont like the 'race' of the people using the right? If everyone could do that wouldn't you and all of us find ourself objected to for some reason or other? The fullness of the law is there for all..do you want to also restrict that to only certain people that you approve of? And what if/when that is restricted to you? basildon council, who wasted millions of pounds to evict people off their own land, is now allowing building on GB land willy nilly...have you complained to them?[/p][/quote]The "They" I am referring to are the owners and occupants of Janda Fields. You wouldn't think that it's difficult to derive that from the context. I have said nothing about who should or should not be allowed to develop on green belt. The laws in this country have always applied equally to all, you are bringing 'race' into my comment for your own agenda. Retro application is currently a right that people have but, to me it does not seem to be in the best interest of the conservation of green belt or the considered and managed development where it is required. The laws in this country are regularly reviewed and updated or even repealed. I am suggesting that perhaps it is time to review planning law in relation to green belt development. On your final point, I don't live in Basildon, why would I complain to Basildon Council? I have provided feedback to my local council on their development plan and highlighted where I feel that development of green belt sites is not in the best interest of the community. Let’s not have another argument about this. I’m entitled to my opinion and you are entitled to yours. In the future though, do try to keep your thinly veiled accusations of discrimination to yourself. Chris Flunk
  • Score: 6

11:56pm Thu 8 May 14

ThisYear says...

InTheKnowOk wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
InTheKnowOk wrote:
It's all a crock of shyte. ... These non travellers lead the life of riley, if we pitched up caravans on this, or any other piece of land, we would be turfed off pronto. What gives them carte blanche? ...
I have mates that struggle with paying rents of over £750 a month because they can't afford the deposit for a mortgage, some are couples with double incomes. I reckon they should invest in a waggon and park it up on greenbelt and start up a whole new community, just think of the character we could add to the place... Yeah!!! ....
Talking a crock again..

You have as much right to 'pitch up' as anyone else...the thing is you dont have a need to..there lies the difference..seems you are not so 'InTheKnow' as you think you are.

As for your 'mates' (what you have some?) They too can do as the people in the article have done..
Don't tell me you think that they are there because they have nowhere to go ... LOL ... Deluded or what!!!! .... They buy land that is greenbelt knowing full well that they can't live on it yet they do so anyway regardless of what's legal or not .. If they wanted they could be re-homed but they don't want that, not because they are (non) travellers and want to keep up their traditions, but because it would mean they have to pay council tax, water rates, etc like the rest of us.. How else do you think they can afford all the top of the range caravans, trucks and vans that they flit about in? ..

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I wont bother telling you anything..what would be the point..

Greenbelt can be developed and lived on..the thing is you dont know if you can live on it until you are living on it..Helleresq

There doesn't seem to be a mention of the people being offered suitable alternative accommodation...

Why do you think they do not pay council tax? Do you think the council let them off it?

Why do you think they dont pay water rates? Do you think the water company let them off it?

You claims are as stereotypical as those made about the earth being flat...mythical..

You feel because people who usually work 12-14 hours a day 6-7 days a week cant afford to spend money..?

" How else do you think they can afford all the top of the range caravans, trucks and vans"

Not much of an imagination...have you..

I know how they have such top range vehicles! They lease them! The same way anyone can...in fact there are specific companies who lease only to Travellers.

You really dont live up to your user name do you?
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: It's all a crock of shyte. ... These non travellers lead the life of riley, if we pitched up caravans on this, or any other piece of land, we would be turfed off pronto. What gives them carte blanche? ... I have mates that struggle with paying rents of over £750 a month because they can't afford the deposit for a mortgage, some are couples with double incomes. I reckon they should invest in a waggon and park it up on greenbelt and start up a whole new community, just think of the character we could add to the place... Yeah!!! ....[/p][/quote]Talking a crock again.. You have as much right to 'pitch up' as anyone else...the thing is you dont have a need to..there lies the difference..seems you are not so 'InTheKnow' as you think you are. As for your 'mates' (what you have some?) They too can do as the people in the article have done..[/p][/quote]Don't tell me you think that they are there because they have nowhere to go ... LOL ... Deluded or what!!!! .... They buy land that is greenbelt knowing full well that they can't live on it yet they do so anyway regardless of what's legal or not .. If they wanted they could be re-homed but they don't want that, not because they are (non) travellers and want to keep up their traditions, but because it would mean they have to pay council tax, water rates, etc like the rest of us.. How else do you think they can afford all the top of the range caravans, trucks and vans that they flit about in? .. . .[/p][/quote]I wont bother telling you anything..what would be the point.. Greenbelt can be developed and lived on..the thing is you dont know if you can live on it until you are living on it..Helleresq There doesn't seem to be a mention of the people being offered suitable alternative accommodation... Why do you think they do not pay council tax? Do you think the council let them off it? Why do you think they dont pay water rates? Do you think the water company let them off it? You claims are as stereotypical as those made about the earth being flat...mythical.. You feel because people who usually work 12-14 hours a day 6-7 days a week cant afford to spend money..? " How else do you think they can afford all the top of the range caravans, trucks and vans" Not much of an imagination...have you.. I know how they have such top range vehicles! They lease them! The same way anyone can...in fact there are specific companies who lease only to Travellers. You really dont live up to your user name do you? ThisYear
  • Score: -1

12:09am Fri 9 May 14

ThisYear says...

Chris Flunk wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
Chris Flunk wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.
What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.
Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?
They own the land at Janda Fields too. That shouldn't give someone the right to develop green belt land, apply for retrospective planning permission and stay on the land for years while repeatedly raising costly appeals and legal challenges. These situations should be fast-tracked. If you develop green belt land without planning permission, the site should be immediately returned to pristine condition at the owner's expense.
Who is "They" Are you claiming all the people on DF own Janda Fields? If not why do you refer to the owners as "They" If Mr Patel owns a corner shop does that mean Mr Singh also owns the shop? Retro application is used by many people in this country and by big companies...its a right people have..are you looking to restrict peoples rights because you dont agree with the right or dont like the 'race' of the people using the right? If everyone could do that wouldn't you and all of us find ourself objected to for some reason or other? The fullness of the law is there for all..do you want to also restrict that to only certain people that you approve of? And what if/when that is restricted to you? basildon council, who wasted millions of pounds to evict people off their own land, is now allowing building on GB land willy nilly...have you complained to them?
The "They" I am referring to are the owners and occupants of Janda Fields. You wouldn't think that it's difficult to derive that from the context.

I have said nothing about who should or should not be allowed to develop on green belt. The laws in this country have always applied equally to all, you are bringing 'race' into my comment for your own agenda.

Retro application is currently a right that people have but, to me it does not seem to be in the best interest of the conservation of green belt or the considered and managed development where it is required. The laws in this country are regularly reviewed and updated or even repealed. I am suggesting that perhaps it is time to review planning law in relation to green belt development.

On your final point, I don't live in Basildon, why would I complain to Basildon Council? I have provided feedback to my local council on their development plan and highlighted where I feel that development of green belt sites is not in the best interest of the community. Let’s not have another argument about this. I’m entitled to my opinion and you are entitled to yours. In the future though, do try to keep your thinly veiled accusations of discrimination to yourself.
So the 'they' you refer to are the owners of Janus fields, who you feel also are the 'they' who are the people in the article?

Are the 'they' in the article the same 'they' who own Janus field?

If not why do you imply 'they' are?

Regardless of what seems or doesn't seem to you..retro is permissible. End of.

" review planning law in relation to green belt development."

Hasn't that actually happened recently and now it is deemed more permissible to develop GB land..hence Bally and his crew selling it off like cheap fish.

I would advise you to keep your clear accusation that I make thinly veiled accusations of discrimination to yourself...I don't do thinly veiled.
[quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richy don't shine shoes no more[/bold] wrote: Leave them be. They'll soon be on their way if that's what they want to do. Their being there adds to the character of the place.[/p][/quote]What absolute rubbish. Soon be on their way?? And 13 years later they are STILL at Dale Farm. You talk through your backdoor. I've lived the experience, seen it close hand and I don't think anybody wants another Dale Farm. You have them in your back garden then if you are so supportive of them. Let's see how long you last. Your sort make me laugh. Always ready to tell the rest of us how it's done but never wiling to offer your own help. If anybody else decided to stick an illegal development on a bit of green belt they'd be forced to remove it immediately. One law fits all. If you don't abide by the law you get moved on. That's that. If UKIP get in down there, they will be gone. No exceptions for anybody. The law is the law.[/p][/quote]Don't they own the land at Dale Farm?[/p][/quote]They own the land at Janda Fields too. That shouldn't give someone the right to develop green belt land, apply for retrospective planning permission and stay on the land for years while repeatedly raising costly appeals and legal challenges. These situations should be fast-tracked. If you develop green belt land without planning permission, the site should be immediately returned to pristine condition at the owner's expense.[/p][/quote]Who is "They" Are you claiming all the people on DF own Janda Fields? If not why do you refer to the owners as "They" If Mr Patel owns a corner shop does that mean Mr Singh also owns the shop? Retro application is used by many people in this country and by big companies...its a right people have..are you looking to restrict peoples rights because you dont agree with the right or dont like the 'race' of the people using the right? If everyone could do that wouldn't you and all of us find ourself objected to for some reason or other? The fullness of the law is there for all..do you want to also restrict that to only certain people that you approve of? And what if/when that is restricted to you? basildon council, who wasted millions of pounds to evict people off their own land, is now allowing building on GB land willy nilly...have you complained to them?[/p][/quote]The "They" I am referring to are the owners and occupants of Janda Fields. You wouldn't think that it's difficult to derive that from the context. I have said nothing about who should or should not be allowed to develop on green belt. The laws in this country have always applied equally to all, you are bringing 'race' into my comment for your own agenda. Retro application is currently a right that people have but, to me it does not seem to be in the best interest of the conservation of green belt or the considered and managed development where it is required. The laws in this country are regularly reviewed and updated or even repealed. I am suggesting that perhaps it is time to review planning law in relation to green belt development. On your final point, I don't live in Basildon, why would I complain to Basildon Council? I have provided feedback to my local council on their development plan and highlighted where I feel that development of green belt sites is not in the best interest of the community. Let’s not have another argument about this. I’m entitled to my opinion and you are entitled to yours. In the future though, do try to keep your thinly veiled accusations of discrimination to yourself.[/p][/quote]So the 'they' you refer to are the owners of Janus fields, who you feel also are the 'they' who are the people in the article? Are the 'they' in the article the same 'they' who own Janus field? If not why do you imply 'they' are? Regardless of what seems or doesn't seem to you..retro is permissible. End of. " review planning law in relation to green belt development." Hasn't that actually happened recently and now it is deemed more permissible to develop GB land..hence Bally and his crew selling it off like cheap fish. I would advise you to keep your clear accusation that I make thinly veiled accusations of discrimination to yourself...I don't do thinly veiled. ThisYear
  • Score: -1

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