Scouts picked for Japan jamboree: Bear Grylls congratulates three Southend Scouts picked to represent UK

Bear in the woods – Bear Grylls at Thorrington Scout camp, and, inset, Holly and Charlie Luckin and Billy Piercy

Bear in the woods – Bear Grylls at Thorrington Scout camp, and, inset, Holly and Charlie Luckin and Billy Piercy

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BRITISH adventurer Bear Grylls has congratulated three Southend Scouts after they were picked to represent the UK at a jamboree in Japan next year.

Twins Holly and Charlie Luckin, 15, from the Colombus Explorer Scout Unit in Shoebury, and Billy Piercy, 13, from the 2nd Thorpe Bay Scout Group will be among the 4,000 Scouts, Guides and adult leaders from across the UK flying to East Asia for the 23rd World Scout Jamboree.

The excited trio, who beat scores of other Essex hopefuls, will form part of the Essex Scouts and Anglia Guides Unit.

The jamboree will see 30,000 Scouts from nearly every country in the world, camp, live and work together.

Man vs Wild star, Bear Grylls, who is Chief Scout, said: “These youngsters will meet people from around the world, take part in amazing adventures and be challenged to think about global issues. I wish them all the best and I know they are going to have an amazing time in the run-up to the event.”

Holly said: “This really is going to be a once in a lifetime opportunity and I feel really proud to be representing Essex and the UK at this international event.

“I am looking forward to the sheer amount of people who will be there and the atmosphere.

“It’s going to be fun and exciting to meet new friends, some from across the world.”

The three Scouts will now have to raise the £3,200 fee to participate ahead of the jamboree at the end of July.

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3:33pm Fri 11 Apr 14

emcee says...

£3,200? Are they flying business class and staying in five star accomodation?
How can they justify £3,200. It would be interesting to know which company is organising the trip and how much they are skimming from the fee. It sounds rather similar to these so called "charity expeditions", which "legitimises" fund raising to pay for an adventure holiday. The difference with this Scout Jamboree is that it seems you have to win a chance to "buy" this overly expensive holiday.
It all sound rather suspicious and someone, somewhere, is making a lot of money out of these trips.
£3,200? Are they flying business class and staying in five star accomodation? How can they justify £3,200. It would be interesting to know which company is organising the trip and how much they are skimming from the fee. It sounds rather similar to these so called "charity expeditions", which "legitimises" fund raising to pay for an adventure holiday. The difference with this Scout Jamboree is that it seems you have to win a chance to "buy" this overly expensive holiday. It all sound rather suspicious and someone, somewhere, is making a lot of money out of these trips. emcee
  • Score: 8

9:36pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Essexscouts says...

Emcee

In response to your comment I would like to clear up a few misconceptions that you have towards this event which will hopefully allow you to appreciate the unique aspects of this event.

Yes the fee sounds high but it is not high to allow a third party to make a profit from the event. The funds cover all training events the Essex Unit will have over the next two years on the lead up to the event, 10 days at the World Scout Jamboree with 30,000 young people from 200 countries, return flights, all food and accommodation (mainly in tents), a visit to Tokyo and also Hiroshima.

But the most important part to this cost is that everything is organised on the UK side by a group of 40 volunteers who have worked on the project for at least 2 years. Think of the number of unpaid man hours that this equates to!! Therefore we are saving a lot of money that the young people would have to pay if it was organised through a company. It is worth noting that these volunteers are organising this logistical challenge for 4000 people across the whole of the UK.

And seeing as you are so concerned that someone is making money out of the hard fundraising efforts these young people are putting in - we would just like you to support them or maybe come along and volunteer with us! :D Why not visit www.essexscouts.org.
uk or www.scouts.org.uk

We always need more adult volunteers and seeing and doing Scouting first hand will allow you to understand how this event is not just a jolly for young people to get involved in. We are a not for profit organisation that is built on developing skills for young people to take into the future. These young people will develop and understanding of cultures all over the world and come back more rounded young people who are likely to be the potential leaders of the future.

Hope this clears up your concerns :) And hopefully you will help support these young people in their fundraising journey.
Emcee In response to your comment I would like to clear up a few misconceptions that you have towards this event which will hopefully allow you to appreciate the unique aspects of this event. Yes the fee sounds high but it is not high to allow a third party to make a profit from the event. The funds cover all training events the Essex Unit will have over the next two years on the lead up to the event, 10 days at the World Scout Jamboree with 30,000 young people from 200 countries, return flights, all food and accommodation (mainly in tents), a visit to Tokyo and also Hiroshima. But the most important part to this cost is that everything is organised on the UK side by a group of 40 volunteers who have worked on the project for at least 2 years. Think of the number of unpaid man hours that this equates to!! Therefore we are saving a lot of money that the young people would have to pay if it was organised through a company. It is worth noting that these volunteers are organising this logistical challenge for 4000 people across the whole of the UK. And seeing as you are so concerned that someone is making money out of the hard fundraising efforts these young people are putting in - we would just like you to support them or maybe come along and volunteer with us! :D Why not visit www.essexscouts.org. uk or www.scouts.org.uk We always need more adult volunteers and seeing and doing Scouting first hand will allow you to understand how this event is not just a jolly for young people to get involved in. We are a not for profit organisation that is built on developing skills for young people to take into the future. These young people will develop and understanding of cultures all over the world and come back more rounded young people who are likely to be the potential leaders of the future. Hope this clears up your concerns :) And hopefully you will help support these young people in their fundraising journey. Essexscouts
  • Score: -7

11:38pm Fri 11 Apr 14

emcee says...

Essexscouts wrote:
Emcee

In response to your comment I would like to clear up a few misconceptions that you have towards this event which will hopefully allow you to appreciate the unique aspects of this event.

Yes the fee sounds high but it is not high to allow a third party to make a profit from the event. The funds cover all training events the Essex Unit will have over the next two years on the lead up to the event, 10 days at the World Scout Jamboree with 30,000 young people from 200 countries, return flights, all food and accommodation (mainly in tents), a visit to Tokyo and also Hiroshima.

But the most important part to this cost is that everything is organised on the UK side by a group of 40 volunteers who have worked on the project for at least 2 years. Think of the number of unpaid man hours that this equates to!! Therefore we are saving a lot of money that the young people would have to pay if it was organised through a company. It is worth noting that these volunteers are organising this logistical challenge for 4000 people across the whole of the UK.

And seeing as you are so concerned that someone is making money out of the hard fundraising efforts these young people are putting in - we would just like you to support them or maybe come along and volunteer with us! :D Why not visit www.essexscouts.org.

uk or www.scouts.org.uk

We always need more adult volunteers and seeing and doing Scouting first hand will allow you to understand how this event is not just a jolly for young people to get involved in. We are a not for profit organisation that is built on developing skills for young people to take into the future. These young people will develop and understanding of cultures all over the world and come back more rounded young people who are likely to be the potential leaders of the future.

Hope this clears up your concerns :) And hopefully you will help support these young people in their fundraising journey.
According to the scouts.org website, the participant fee is £2995. What is the extra £205 for? It also states that it is being organised by a company called Winning Tours (this is the third party). This is a company that, similar to those companies that organise these so called "charity expeditions", organises trips for groups where fundraising would be a major source, if not all, of the payment for the trip and often these trips cost a lot more (for some reason) than the market rate for any other group travel trip.
A ten day trip to Japan with food and accomodation (especially if it is only camping) plus two excursions should not cost anywhere near that which is being asked and I suggest the Scouting Association has based the participant fees on over-inflated prices that Winning Tours will be charging for their services and over-infalted prices for other individual componants of the trip.

Don't get me wrong, events like this are a great opportunity for young people and I have massive respect for the scouting movement in general, but I feel that, at £3200, this trip is a tad over-priced and these young people (or their parents, as the case may be) are being taken advantage of, just because of what the event is.
[quote][p][bold]Essexscouts[/bold] wrote: Emcee In response to your comment I would like to clear up a few misconceptions that you have towards this event which will hopefully allow you to appreciate the unique aspects of this event. Yes the fee sounds high but it is not high to allow a third party to make a profit from the event. The funds cover all training events the Essex Unit will have over the next two years on the lead up to the event, 10 days at the World Scout Jamboree with 30,000 young people from 200 countries, return flights, all food and accommodation (mainly in tents), a visit to Tokyo and also Hiroshima. But the most important part to this cost is that everything is organised on the UK side by a group of 40 volunteers who have worked on the project for at least 2 years. Think of the number of unpaid man hours that this equates to!! Therefore we are saving a lot of money that the young people would have to pay if it was organised through a company. It is worth noting that these volunteers are organising this logistical challenge for 4000 people across the whole of the UK. And seeing as you are so concerned that someone is making money out of the hard fundraising efforts these young people are putting in - we would just like you to support them or maybe come along and volunteer with us! :D Why not visit www.essexscouts.org. uk or www.scouts.org.uk We always need more adult volunteers and seeing and doing Scouting first hand will allow you to understand how this event is not just a jolly for young people to get involved in. We are a not for profit organisation that is built on developing skills for young people to take into the future. These young people will develop and understanding of cultures all over the world and come back more rounded young people who are likely to be the potential leaders of the future. Hope this clears up your concerns :) And hopefully you will help support these young people in their fundraising journey.[/p][/quote]According to the scouts.org website, the participant fee is £2995. What is the extra £205 for? It also states that it is being organised by a company called Winning Tours (this is the third party). This is a company that, similar to those companies that organise these so called "charity expeditions", organises trips for groups where fundraising would be a major source, if not all, of the payment for the trip and often these trips cost a lot more (for some reason) than the market rate for any other group travel trip. A ten day trip to Japan with food and accomodation (especially if it is only camping) plus two excursions should not cost anywhere near that which is being asked and I suggest the Scouting Association has based the participant fees on over-inflated prices that Winning Tours will be charging for their services and over-infalted prices for other individual componants of the trip. Don't get me wrong, events like this are a great opportunity for young people and I have massive respect for the scouting movement in general, but I feel that, at £3200, this trip is a tad over-priced and these young people (or their parents, as the case may be) are being taken advantage of, just because of what the event is. emcee
  • Score: 9

9:57am Sat 12 Apr 14

Essexscouts says...

Thank you for taking the time to looking to our our website and I am glad that you are a supporter of all the hard work and volunteering time that the adults of the UK put into Scouting.

Also I understand that this cost price seems significantly high but I can assure you that this event - for the UK Scout Association will only breakeven. The young people will also be in Japan for closer to 3 weeks rather than 10 days after the extra adventures they have before and after the Jamboree. These are the reasons for the cost being as it is:

- Firstly the extra £200 is the additional cost to the participant which is put on by Essex Scouts which pays for their 5 or 6 weekend preparation camps and other social activities that the unit will do over the next 2 years in order to bond as a unit before they fly out to Japan in July 2015.

- The £3000 is the UK Contingent fee, which is the central organising team amount. This money covers the following:

- Jamboree Fee - £1000 - The Jamboree is a 10 day event for 30,000 young people and 10,000 adults. This money is set by the Japanese Scout Association to cover the cost of the event which includes 10 days of activities, food, accomodation and all other associated costs of running a small town for that length of time.

- Flights - Return flights to Japan cost around £1000 per person.
I see that you note that we are using a company called Winning Tours and that is correct. However, they do not run the event - they are a specialist company who work hard to get us the best possible deals on flights. When you are trying to get 4,000 people from all over the UK to Japan over a period of a couple of days.... you need specialist help. Our volunteer team just would not have the time in their day to day life to organise all of this - they do however decide which unit is on what flight and therefore directs the company to find the best flight deals.

- 3 Days in Tokyo - Including all food, accommodation, entertainment, transfer on the bullet train from Tokyo to the Jamboree site which is over 600 miles.

- Transfers to Home Hospitality - The unit stay with a local Japanese Scout Group/ families - this could involve major journeys on the bullet train.

- Kit and Uniform - All UK Contingent members are issued with new uniform and specialist kit to ensure that they are well equipped for being in Japan in the height of summer. A very different climate to the UK.

I feel this is a very fair price and The Scout Association as a charity ensures that the young people pay a fair price and that the event breaks even. As we are a charity we are not for profit and therefore all events run through the UK Scout Association cannot make a profit out of the money being fundraised by young people and adults attending those events.

I hope this clears up your worries. Thank you for raising your concerns, we will endeavour to ensure the public are more aware of how this event works and that it is very different to the charity holidays that you spoke of before.
Thank you for taking the time to looking to our our website and I am glad that you are a supporter of all the hard work and volunteering time that the adults of the UK put into Scouting. Also I understand that this cost price seems significantly high but I can assure you that this event - for the UK Scout Association will only breakeven. The young people will also be in Japan for closer to 3 weeks rather than 10 days after the extra adventures they have before and after the Jamboree. These are the reasons for the cost being as it is: - Firstly the extra £200 is the additional cost to the participant which is put on by Essex Scouts which pays for their 5 or 6 weekend preparation camps and other social activities that the unit will do over the next 2 years in order to bond as a unit before they fly out to Japan in July 2015. - The £3000 is the UK Contingent fee, which is the central organising team amount. This money covers the following: - Jamboree Fee - £1000 - The Jamboree is a 10 day event for 30,000 young people and 10,000 adults. This money is set by the Japanese Scout Association to cover the cost of the event which includes 10 days of activities, food, accomodation and all other associated costs of running a small town for that length of time. - Flights - Return flights to Japan cost around £1000 per person. I see that you note that we are using a company called Winning Tours and that is correct. However, they do not run the event - they are a specialist company who work hard to get us the best possible deals on flights. When you are trying to get 4,000 people from all over the UK to Japan over a period of a couple of days.... you need specialist help. Our volunteer team just would not have the time in their day to day life to organise all of this - they do however decide which unit is on what flight and therefore directs the company to find the best flight deals. - 3 Days in Tokyo - Including all food, accommodation, entertainment, transfer on the bullet train from Tokyo to the Jamboree site which is over 600 miles. - Transfers to Home Hospitality - The unit stay with a local Japanese Scout Group/ families - this could involve major journeys on the bullet train. - Kit and Uniform - All UK Contingent members are issued with new uniform and specialist kit to ensure that they are well equipped for being in Japan in the height of summer. A very different climate to the UK. I feel this is a very fair price and The Scout Association as a charity ensures that the young people pay a fair price and that the event breaks even. As we are a charity we are not for profit and therefore all events run through the UK Scout Association cannot make a profit out of the money being fundraised by young people and adults attending those events. I hope this clears up your worries. Thank you for raising your concerns, we will endeavour to ensure the public are more aware of how this event works and that it is very different to the charity holidays that you spoke of before. Essexscouts
  • Score: -4

9:22am Mon 14 Apr 14

openspace says...

I hope that the one negative poster on this article will now concede that comments and eventual questioning of just £200 smacks of desperation.
The cost of attending Jamborees, ( there are many held around the world each year ), varies considerably and many are low cost and aimed at groups of countries that are close to each other. Jamborees are, of course, events at which young people from many countries, cultures and creeds meet as friends, rare in this day and age. The value, as opposed to cost, of these events is immeasurable. Scouting gains much from these and many friendships are forged which stand the test of time and cross international borders. The world would undoubtedly be a much friendlier place were we all members. There are only half a dozen or so countries in the world where Scouting is not strongly represented. Before I launch into an even longer post on the value of Scouting, I will finish by inviting those who post in these columns to pick carefully those that they comment on and check to their facts before criticising things about which they know nothing. ( It saves embarrassment when answers are given which make you look silly).
I hope that the one negative poster on this article will now concede that comments and eventual questioning of just £200 smacks of desperation. The cost of attending Jamborees, ( there are many held around the world each year ), varies considerably and many are low cost and aimed at groups of countries that are close to each other. Jamborees are, of course, events at which young people from many countries, cultures and creeds meet as friends, rare in this day and age. The value, as opposed to cost, of these events is immeasurable. Scouting gains much from these and many friendships are forged which stand the test of time and cross international borders. The world would undoubtedly be a much friendlier place were we all members. There are only half a dozen or so countries in the world where Scouting is not strongly represented. Before I launch into an even longer post on the value of Scouting, I will finish by inviting those who post in these columns to pick carefully those that they comment on and check to their facts before criticising things about which they know nothing. ( It saves embarrassment when answers are given which make you look silly). openspace
  • Score: -4

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