Eastwood Lidl set to be thrown out over boring design

Southend Standard: An artist's impression of the planned development An artist's impression of the planned development

PLANS for a budget supermarket in Eastwood may be turned down for a second time because the building is too boring.

Proposals for a a Lidl store bigger than an Olympic-size swimming pool at the corner of Progress Road and Rayleigh Road have divided the public.

Eastwood Residents’ Association and three-quarters of visitors to a consultation have backed the scheme, but nearby businesses, a 53-signature petition and 78 letters have objected.

Planning officers have recommended Southend Council throw out the plans, as they say a landmark building is needed at the entrance to the Progress Road Industrial Estate.

The store, which would be built over a derelict former Safestore warehouse and part of Essex Timber and Plywood, next door, would create 40 jobs.

Another 53 jobs would be created in office space included in the development, but the timber yard closure – after 30 years – would result in the loss of 14 jobs.

Former Southend mayor Nora Goodman, who is chairman of Eastwood Residents’ Association, said: “They say the building would spoil the area, but what luxurious buildings are there at the moment?

“It’s ridiculous. Lidl is needed and wanted by the majority of people.”

Eastwood residents complain they have to drive to Morrisons in Western Approaches or Tesco Extra in Prince Avenue, to shop.

Of 800 people who attended an open day on the original plans last April, 587 registered support.

But the council turned down the supermarket in favour of a rival mini-business park plan over concerns the store would mean the loss of land on the industrial estate earmarked for industrial or commercial use and cause traffic problems.

Planning officers have again raised concerns about the impact of more traffic at the key junction, despite the German chain offering £25,000 towards remodelling the road lay-out so it could cope.

Andrew Moring, Conservative councillor for Eastwood Park, said: “It would improve the look of the area and provide competition.

“I’m concerned about the effect on smaller shops, but if you look at the Lidl in Woodgrange Drive, Southend, nearby shops are surviving.

“I’m very concerned about Essex Timber and wish Lidl had worked with them to find an alternative location.

“But I don’t necessarily think the design of the building is a strong enough argument.”

A spokesman for Ldl said: “Lidl has substantially changed the design of the building incorporating offices to create active frontages to both Progress Road and Rayleigh Road. We hope that the planning committee see the benefits of our scheme along with the creation of up to 93 jobs.”

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7:39am Tue 8 Apr 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

Marble pillars bronze horses with cascading waterfalls from the roof, just like B&Q, Tesco; Morrissons......
Marble pillars bronze horses with cascading waterfalls from the roof, just like B&Q, Tesco; Morrissons...... carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: 13

9:42am Tue 8 Apr 14

Howard Cháse says...

Draw a Ferrari and a Red Bull F1 car racing around the car park with a jet fighter dogfight in the sky above and someone surfing on a giant wave That might make the drawing look more exciting.....
Draw a Ferrari and a Red Bull F1 car racing around the car park with a jet fighter dogfight in the sky above and someone surfing on a giant wave That might make the drawing look more exciting..... Howard Cháse
  • Score: 4

9:43am Tue 8 Apr 14

Kim Gandy says...

What the hell is wrong with people? Lidl stores are excellent with some brilliant bargains and a good choice of products.

It is providing new jobs and more choice for locals to shop. Lidl is one of the cheapest supermarkets going but its range is comprehensive and it has a constantly updated list of new items, not all of which are groceries.

As for the building itself, it's a supermarket, not a national monument. So what should it look like? Doric columns, cupolas and plaster lions at the entrance?

It's on an existing business site, not an an area of outstanding beauty. I could understand the objections if it was going to be built on Two Tree Island or next to Hadleigh Castle - but an industrial estate? Come on.

As far as I am concerned and in my own personal experience, there are worse things to live next door to. MUCH worse.

Bring it on I say. I'll certainly shop there. No problem.
What the hell is wrong with people? Lidl stores are excellent with some brilliant bargains and a good choice of products. It is providing new jobs and more choice for locals to shop. Lidl is one of the cheapest supermarkets going but its range is comprehensive and it has a constantly updated list of new items, not all of which are groceries. As for the building itself, it's a supermarket, not a national monument. So what should it look like? Doric columns, cupolas and plaster lions at the entrance? It's on an existing business site, not an an area of outstanding beauty. I could understand the objections if it was going to be built on Two Tree Island or next to Hadleigh Castle - but an industrial estate? Come on. As far as I am concerned and in my own personal experience, there are worse things to live next door to. MUCH worse. Bring it on I say. I'll certainly shop there. No problem. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 16

9:47am Tue 8 Apr 14

pembury53 says...

a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring...
a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring... pembury53
  • Score: 3

10:10am Tue 8 Apr 14

Kim Gandy says...

pembury53 wrote:
a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring...
Lower class?

That sounds a bit lofty.

What do you mean lower class? I know a lot of decent, ordinary people that shop at Lidl. Mostly people in work, respectable people.

So what do you call "upper class" then, Waitrose? M&S?

Have you any idea how you sound?

And what "class" do you consider yourself then? Aristocracy?
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring...[/p][/quote]Lower class? That sounds a bit lofty. What do you mean lower class? I know a lot of decent, ordinary people that shop at Lidl. Mostly people in work, respectable people. So what do you call "upper class" then, Waitrose? M&S? Have you any idea how you sound? And what "class" do you consider yourself then? Aristocracy? Kim Gandy
  • Score: 11

10:19am Tue 8 Apr 14

Howard Cháse says...

Surely it's Harrod's food hall or Fortnum and Mason for the poshos. Waitrose and M&S being for the jumped up pretentious middle class.
Surely it's Harrod's food hall or Fortnum and Mason for the poshos. Waitrose and M&S being for the jumped up pretentious middle class. Howard Cháse
  • Score: 5

10:19am Tue 8 Apr 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring...
Lower class?

That sounds a bit lofty.

What do you mean lower class? I know a lot of decent, ordinary people that shop at Lidl. Mostly people in work, respectable people.

So what do you call "upper class" then, Waitrose? M&S?

Have you any idea how you sound?

And what "class" do you consider yourself then? Aristocracy?
As referred by flat dwellers
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring...[/p][/quote]Lower class? That sounds a bit lofty. What do you mean lower class? I know a lot of decent, ordinary people that shop at Lidl. Mostly people in work, respectable people. So what do you call "upper class" then, Waitrose? M&S? Have you any idea how you sound? And what "class" do you consider yourself then? Aristocracy?[/p][/quote]As referred by flat dwellers carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: 2

10:52am Tue 8 Apr 14

pembury53 says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
pembury53 wrote: a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring...
Lower class? That sounds a bit lofty. What do you mean lower class? I know a lot of decent, ordinary people that shop at Lidl. Mostly people in work, respectable people. So what do you call "upper class" then, Waitrose? M&S? Have you any idea how you sound? And what "class" do you consider yourself then? Aristocracy?
'lower class', 'decent', 'ordinary' and 'respectable' are not mutually exclusive terms, but exclusion by price is an established driver of the free market, and always has been.... waitrose knew what they were doing, extending their reach, into leigh-on sea.... higher prices, for the affluent, is a polite way of saying "no riff raff here"........... as for me, more warrior class, praying, in vain, for a revolution.....
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring...[/p][/quote]Lower class? That sounds a bit lofty. What do you mean lower class? I know a lot of decent, ordinary people that shop at Lidl. Mostly people in work, respectable people. So what do you call "upper class" then, Waitrose? M&S? Have you any idea how you sound? And what "class" do you consider yourself then? Aristocracy?[/p][/quote]'lower class', 'decent', 'ordinary' and 'respectable' are not mutually exclusive terms, but exclusion by price is an established driver of the free market, and always has been.... waitrose knew what they were doing, extending their reach, into leigh-on sea.... higher prices, for the affluent, is a polite way of saying "no riff raff here"........... as for me, more warrior class, praying, in vain, for a revolution..... pembury53
  • Score: -5

10:57am Tue 8 Apr 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

pembury53 wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
pembury53 wrote: a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring...
Lower class? That sounds a bit lofty. What do you mean lower class? I know a lot of decent, ordinary people that shop at Lidl. Mostly people in work, respectable people. So what do you call "upper class" then, Waitrose? M&S? Have you any idea how you sound? And what "class" do you consider yourself then? Aristocracy?
'lower class', 'decent', 'ordinary' and 'respectable' are not mutually exclusive terms, but exclusion by price is an established driver of the free market, and always has been.... waitrose knew what they were doing, extending their reach, into leigh-on sea.... higher prices, for the affluent, is a polite way of saying "no riff raff here"........... as for me, more warrior class, praying, in vain, for a revolution.....
The food is expensive in some shops, "Because you are worth it" too dear for you, then go elsewhere, class is there for all, be it working, middle or upper....
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring...[/p][/quote]Lower class? That sounds a bit lofty. What do you mean lower class? I know a lot of decent, ordinary people that shop at Lidl. Mostly people in work, respectable people. So what do you call "upper class" then, Waitrose? M&S? Have you any idea how you sound? And what "class" do you consider yourself then? Aristocracy?[/p][/quote]'lower class', 'decent', 'ordinary' and 'respectable' are not mutually exclusive terms, but exclusion by price is an established driver of the free market, and always has been.... waitrose knew what they were doing, extending their reach, into leigh-on sea.... higher prices, for the affluent, is a polite way of saying "no riff raff here"........... as for me, more warrior class, praying, in vain, for a revolution.....[/p][/quote]The food is expensive in some shops, "Because you are worth it" too dear for you, then go elsewhere, class is there for all, be it working, middle or upper.... carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: -1

11:19am Tue 8 Apr 14

Kim Gandy says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring...
Lower class?

That sounds a bit lofty.

What do you mean lower class? I know a lot of decent, ordinary people that shop at Lidl. Mostly people in work, respectable people.

So what do you call "upper class" then, Waitrose? M&S?

Have you any idea how you sound?

And what "class" do you consider yourself then? Aristocracy?
As referred by flat dwellers
Well, that's a cheap shot isn't it? Typical of your sneering attitude.

To be honest, your opinions really don't register on my scale, being as they are usually reactionary and stupid.

Just what I'd expect from you anyway so no big surprise or shock.

You must lead a very empty life, that's all I can say.

Funny thing is, all the snotty remarks, down arrows and insults in the world just do not stop me having an opinion.

You try so hard and for so little reward.
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring...[/p][/quote]Lower class? That sounds a bit lofty. What do you mean lower class? I know a lot of decent, ordinary people that shop at Lidl. Mostly people in work, respectable people. So what do you call "upper class" then, Waitrose? M&S? Have you any idea how you sound? And what "class" do you consider yourself then? Aristocracy?[/p][/quote]As referred by flat dwellers[/p][/quote]Well, that's a cheap shot isn't it? Typical of your sneering attitude. To be honest, your opinions really don't register on my scale, being as they are usually reactionary and stupid. Just what I'd expect from you anyway so no big surprise or shock. You must lead a very empty life, that's all I can say. Funny thing is, all the snotty remarks, down arrows and insults in the world just do not stop me having an opinion. You try so hard and for so little reward. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 7

11:21am Tue 8 Apr 14

Kim Gandy says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
pembury53 wrote: a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring...
Lower class? That sounds a bit lofty. What do you mean lower class? I know a lot of decent, ordinary people that shop at Lidl. Mostly people in work, respectable people. So what do you call "upper class" then, Waitrose? M&S? Have you any idea how you sound? And what "class" do you consider yourself then? Aristocracy?
'lower class', 'decent', 'ordinary' and 'respectable' are not mutually exclusive terms, but exclusion by price is an established driver of the free market, and always has been.... waitrose knew what they were doing, extending their reach, into leigh-on sea.... higher prices, for the affluent, is a polite way of saying "no riff raff here"........... as for me, more warrior class, praying, in vain, for a revolution.....
The food is expensive in some shops, "Because you are worth it" too dear for you, then go elsewhere, class is there for all, be it working, middle or upper....
Dear oh dear, your meds haven't kicked in yet have they? Total irrelevant gibberish AGAIN.

Perhaps you should ask matron for some new antipsychotics.
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring...[/p][/quote]Lower class? That sounds a bit lofty. What do you mean lower class? I know a lot of decent, ordinary people that shop at Lidl. Mostly people in work, respectable people. So what do you call "upper class" then, Waitrose? M&S? Have you any idea how you sound? And what "class" do you consider yourself then? Aristocracy?[/p][/quote]'lower class', 'decent', 'ordinary' and 'respectable' are not mutually exclusive terms, but exclusion by price is an established driver of the free market, and always has been.... waitrose knew what they were doing, extending their reach, into leigh-on sea.... higher prices, for the affluent, is a polite way of saying "no riff raff here"........... as for me, more warrior class, praying, in vain, for a revolution.....[/p][/quote]The food is expensive in some shops, "Because you are worth it" too dear for you, then go elsewhere, class is there for all, be it working, middle or upper....[/p][/quote]Dear oh dear, your meds haven't kicked in yet have they? Total irrelevant gibberish AGAIN. Perhaps you should ask matron for some new antipsychotics. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -8

11:24am Tue 8 Apr 14

Kim Gandy says...

pembury53 wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
pembury53 wrote: a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring...
Lower class? That sounds a bit lofty. What do you mean lower class? I know a lot of decent, ordinary people that shop at Lidl. Mostly people in work, respectable people. So what do you call "upper class" then, Waitrose? M&S? Have you any idea how you sound? And what "class" do you consider yourself then? Aristocracy?
'lower class', 'decent', 'ordinary' and 'respectable' are not mutually exclusive terms, but exclusion by price is an established driver of the free market, and always has been.... waitrose knew what they were doing, extending their reach, into leigh-on sea.... higher prices, for the affluent, is a polite way of saying "no riff raff here"........... as for me, more warrior class, praying, in vain, for a revolution.....
Have I stumbled into a parallel universe?

Or is this website becoming more absurd?

Since when did this discussion descend into class distinctions?

Let me remind you - and the individual above - that the story is about a supermarket and people objecting to the proposed site of it. Also about the design of it.

Class appears nowhere in the text of the original story. You were the first to bring up the subject. And then your disturbed friend jumped on the bandwagon.

Why can't you people stay relevant, instead of this constant need to insult and make assumptions about other posters here?

My comments are always articulate and well researched or based on personal experience. You may or may not agree with them and you are entitled to oppose or agree.

But does it always have to get so personal?
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring...[/p][/quote]Lower class? That sounds a bit lofty. What do you mean lower class? I know a lot of decent, ordinary people that shop at Lidl. Mostly people in work, respectable people. So what do you call "upper class" then, Waitrose? M&S? Have you any idea how you sound? And what "class" do you consider yourself then? Aristocracy?[/p][/quote]'lower class', 'decent', 'ordinary' and 'respectable' are not mutually exclusive terms, but exclusion by price is an established driver of the free market, and always has been.... waitrose knew what they were doing, extending their reach, into leigh-on sea.... higher prices, for the affluent, is a polite way of saying "no riff raff here"........... as for me, more warrior class, praying, in vain, for a revolution.....[/p][/quote]Have I stumbled into a parallel universe? Or is this website becoming more absurd? Since when did this discussion descend into class distinctions? Let me remind you - and the individual above - that the story is about a supermarket and people objecting to the proposed site of it. Also about the design of it. Class appears nowhere in the text of the original story. You were the first to bring up the subject. And then your disturbed friend jumped on the bandwagon. Why can't you people stay relevant, instead of this constant need to insult and make assumptions about other posters here? My comments are always articulate and well researched or based on personal experience. You may or may not agree with them and you are entitled to oppose or agree. But does it always have to get so personal? Kim Gandy
  • Score: -2

11:50am Tue 8 Apr 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma

kessense
wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
pembury53 wrote: a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring...
Lower class? That sounds a bit lofty. What do you mean lower class? I know a lot of decent, ordinary people that shop at Lidl. Mostly people in work, respectable people. So what do you call "upper class" then, Waitrose? M&S? Have you any idea how you sound? And what "class" do you consider yourself then? Aristocracy?
'lower class', 'decent', 'ordinary' and 'respectable' are not mutually exclusive terms, but exclusion by price is an established driver of the free market, and always has been.... waitrose knew what they were doing, extending their reach, into leigh-on sea.... higher prices, for the affluent, is a polite way of saying "no riff raff here"........... as for me, more warrior class, praying, in vain, for a revolution.....
The food is expensive in some shops, "Because you are worth it" too dear for you, then go elsewhere, class is there for all, be it working, middle or upper....
Dear oh dear, your meds haven't kicked in yet have they? Total irrelevant gibberish AGAIN.

Perhaps you should ask matron for some new antipsychotics.
OK Matron,
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring...[/p][/quote]Lower class? That sounds a bit lofty. What do you mean lower class? I know a lot of decent, ordinary people that shop at Lidl. Mostly people in work, respectable people. So what do you call "upper class" then, Waitrose? M&S? Have you any idea how you sound? And what "class" do you consider yourself then? Aristocracy?[/p][/quote]'lower class', 'decent', 'ordinary' and 'respectable' are not mutually exclusive terms, but exclusion by price is an established driver of the free market, and always has been.... waitrose knew what they were doing, extending their reach, into leigh-on sea.... higher prices, for the affluent, is a polite way of saying "no riff raff here"........... as for me, more warrior class, praying, in vain, for a revolution.....[/p][/quote]The food is expensive in some shops, "Because you are worth it" too dear for you, then go elsewhere, class is there for all, be it working, middle or upper....[/p][/quote]Dear oh dear, your meds haven't kicked in yet have they? Total irrelevant gibberish AGAIN. Perhaps you should ask matron for some new antipsychotics.[/p][/quote]OK Matron, carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: 2

11:51am Tue 8 Apr 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma

kessense
wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring...
Lower class?

That sounds a bit lofty.

What do you mean lower class? I know a lot of decent, ordinary people that shop at Lidl. Mostly people in work, respectable people.

So what do you call "upper class" then, Waitrose? M&S?

Have you any idea how you sound?

And what "class" do you consider yourself then? Aristocracy?
As referred by flat dwellers
Well, that's a cheap shot isn't it? Typical of your sneering attitude.

To be honest, your opinions really don't register on my scale, being as they are usually reactionary and stupid.

Just what I'd expect from you anyway so no big surprise or shock.

You must lead a very empty life, that's all I can say.

Funny thing is, all the snotty remarks, down arrows and insults in the world just do not stop me having an opinion.

You try so hard and for so little reward.
Why so may replies, if you were not so rilied ???
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring...[/p][/quote]Lower class? That sounds a bit lofty. What do you mean lower class? I know a lot of decent, ordinary people that shop at Lidl. Mostly people in work, respectable people. So what do you call "upper class" then, Waitrose? M&S? Have you any idea how you sound? And what "class" do you consider yourself then? Aristocracy?[/p][/quote]As referred by flat dwellers[/p][/quote]Well, that's a cheap shot isn't it? Typical of your sneering attitude. To be honest, your opinions really don't register on my scale, being as they are usually reactionary and stupid. Just what I'd expect from you anyway so no big surprise or shock. You must lead a very empty life, that's all I can say. Funny thing is, all the snotty remarks, down arrows and insults in the world just do not stop me having an opinion. You try so hard and for so little reward.[/p][/quote]Why so may replies, if you were not so rilied ??? carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: 0

11:53am Tue 8 Apr 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
Marble pillars bronze horses with cascading waterfalls from the roof, just like B&Q, Tesco; Morrissons......
NOW GANDY READ, LEARN AND TAKE IN, BUT Please don't copy MY POSTS...
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: Marble pillars bronze horses with cascading waterfalls from the roof, just like B&Q, Tesco; Morrissons......[/p][/quote]NOW GANDY READ, LEARN AND TAKE IN, BUT Please don't copy MY POSTS... carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: -1

11:57am Tue 8 Apr 14

Nowthatsworthknowing says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma

kessense
wrote:
Marble pillars bronze horses with cascading waterfalls from the roof, just like B&Q, Tesco; Morrissons......
NOW GANDY READ, LEARN AND TAKE IN, BUT Please don't copy MY POSTS...
Give the poor woman a break, in a mental ward, she's a failed political figure, who has had a number of accounts, and needs her rest...
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: Marble pillars bronze horses with cascading waterfalls from the roof, just like B&Q, Tesco; Morrissons......[/p][/quote]NOW GANDY READ, LEARN AND TAKE IN, BUT Please don't copy MY POSTS...[/p][/quote]Give the poor woman a break, in a mental ward, she's a failed political figure, who has had a number of accounts, and needs her rest... Nowthatsworthknowing
  • Score: 3

12:02pm Tue 8 Apr 14

pembury53 says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
pembury53 wrote: a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring...
Lower class? That sounds a bit lofty. What do you mean lower class? I know a lot of decent, ordinary people that shop at Lidl. Mostly people in work, respectable people. So what do you call "upper class" then, Waitrose? M&S? Have you any idea how you sound? And what "class" do you consider yourself then? Aristocracy?
'lower class', 'decent', 'ordinary' and 'respectable' are not mutually exclusive terms, but exclusion by price is an established driver of the free market, and always has been.... waitrose knew what they were doing, extending their reach, into leigh-on sea.... higher prices, for the affluent, is a polite way of saying "no riff raff here"........... as for me, more warrior class, praying, in vain, for a revolution.....
Have I stumbled into a parallel universe? Or is this website becoming more absurd? Since when did this discussion descend into class distinctions? Let me remind you - and the individual above - that the story is about a supermarket and people objecting to the proposed site of it. Also about the design of it. Class appears nowhere in the text of the original story. You were the first to bring up the subject. And then your disturbed friend jumped on the bandwagon. Why can't you people stay relevant, instead of this constant need to insult and make assumptions about other posters here? My comments are always articulate and well researched or based on personal experience. You may or may not agree with them and you are entitled to oppose or agree. But does it always have to get so personal?
the relevance of class distinctions, will not be lost, in the boardrooms of these retail giants, when investing.....
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring...[/p][/quote]Lower class? That sounds a bit lofty. What do you mean lower class? I know a lot of decent, ordinary people that shop at Lidl. Mostly people in work, respectable people. So what do you call "upper class" then, Waitrose? M&S? Have you any idea how you sound? And what "class" do you consider yourself then? Aristocracy?[/p][/quote]'lower class', 'decent', 'ordinary' and 'respectable' are not mutually exclusive terms, but exclusion by price is an established driver of the free market, and always has been.... waitrose knew what they were doing, extending their reach, into leigh-on sea.... higher prices, for the affluent, is a polite way of saying "no riff raff here"........... as for me, more warrior class, praying, in vain, for a revolution.....[/p][/quote]Have I stumbled into a parallel universe? Or is this website becoming more absurd? Since when did this discussion descend into class distinctions? Let me remind you - and the individual above - that the story is about a supermarket and people objecting to the proposed site of it. Also about the design of it. Class appears nowhere in the text of the original story. You were the first to bring up the subject. And then your disturbed friend jumped on the bandwagon. Why can't you people stay relevant, instead of this constant need to insult and make assumptions about other posters here? My comments are always articulate and well researched or based on personal experience. You may or may not agree with them and you are entitled to oppose or agree. But does it always have to get so personal?[/p][/quote]the relevance of class distinctions, will not be lost, in the boardrooms of these retail giants, when investing..... pembury53
  • Score: -2

12:15pm Tue 8 Apr 14

andyh says...

"a landmark building is needed at the entrance to the Progress Road Industrial Estate"
1) this isn't the front entrance - that is the A127 end … and is "distinguished" by a fast-food place and a (not) decorative self-store warehouse.
2) In any case a LIDL store is generally more of a landmark building than you would expect on a meh industrial estate.

Are the planning officers trying to get this sent to (and passed on) appeal - the inspectors would laugh at those grounds for rejection and the council would waste money on legal fees and everybodies time.

If I believed in the conspiracy stories about brown envelopes I'd think that LIDL is just refusing to pay bribes and getting rejected for that reason. Um, it makes you wonder!
"a landmark building is needed at the entrance to the Progress Road Industrial Estate" 1) this isn't the front entrance - that is the A127 end … and is "distinguished" by a fast-food place and a (not) decorative self-store warehouse. 2) In any case a LIDL store is generally more of a landmark building than you would expect on a meh industrial estate. Are the planning officers trying to get this sent to (and passed on) appeal - the inspectors would laugh at those grounds for rejection and the council would waste money on legal fees and everybodies time. If I believed in the conspiracy stories about brown envelopes I'd think that LIDL is just refusing to pay bribes and getting rejected for that reason. Um, it makes you wonder! andyh
  • Score: 17

3:14pm Tue 8 Apr 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

can't wait to see how the exciting the mini business park will look....if it ever comes to light that is.
can't wait to see how the exciting the mini business park will look....if it ever comes to light that is. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 2

6:58pm Tue 8 Apr 14

John Bull 40 says...

They should try to copy the taj mahal, or would that be rejected as too
ostentatious.
They should try to copy the taj mahal, or would that be rejected as too ostentatious. John Bull 40
  • Score: 2

7:16pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Howard Cháse says...

John Bull 40 wrote:
They should try to copy the taj mahal, or would that be rejected as too
ostentatious.
You would get the troglodyte knuckle dragging bigots complaining that they don't want a mosque there.....
[quote][p][bold]John Bull 40[/bold] wrote: They should try to copy the taj mahal, or would that be rejected as too ostentatious.[/p][/quote]You would get the troglodyte knuckle dragging bigots complaining that they don't want a mosque there..... Howard Cháse
  • Score: 6

7:34pm Tue 8 Apr 14

the25man says...

The Lidl's in Woodgrange was formally a timber yard so is there a pattern there.
When Lidl and Aldi started up they were not popular but now you have to hunt for a parking space.
The Lidl's in Woodgrange was formally a timber yard so is there a pattern there. When Lidl and Aldi started up they were not popular but now you have to hunt for a parking space. the25man
  • Score: 4

8:02pm Tue 8 Apr 14

jolllyboy says...

Get real Southend BC - we want it, you must listen to the residents or do you know you will lose the next local elections because you prefer a posh looking shop ?
Get real Southend BC - we want it, you must listen to the residents or do you know you will lose the next local elections because you prefer a posh looking shop ? jolllyboy
  • Score: 8

8:49am Wed 9 Apr 14

Louisajo says...

Pleasant, imaginative, aesthetically pleasing design is appreciated by ALL - it's not a class thing! Good design costs nothing - it just takes foresight and imagination.
Most people want to live in a well planned, attractive area and consequently the appearance of the built environment matters.
Well done the BC.
Pleasant, imaginative, aesthetically pleasing design is appreciated by ALL - it's not a class thing! Good design costs nothing - it just takes foresight and imagination. Most people want to live in a well planned, attractive area and consequently the appearance of the built environment matters. Well done the BC. Louisajo
  • Score: -1

8:04pm Wed 9 Apr 14

ThisYear says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
pembury53 wrote: a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring...
Lower class? That sounds a bit lofty. What do you mean lower class? I know a lot of decent, ordinary people that shop at Lidl. Mostly people in work, respectable people. So what do you call "upper class" then, Waitrose? M&S? Have you any idea how you sound? And what "class" do you consider yourself then? Aristocracy?
'lower class', 'decent', 'ordinary' and 'respectable' are not mutually exclusive terms, but exclusion by price is an established driver of the free market, and always has been.... waitrose knew what they were doing, extending their reach, into leigh-on sea.... higher prices, for the affluent, is a polite way of saying "no riff raff here"........... as for me, more warrior class, praying, in vain, for a revolution.....
Have I stumbled into a parallel universe?

Or is this website becoming more absurd?

Since when did this discussion descend into class distinctions?

Let me remind you - and the individual above - that the story is about a supermarket and people objecting to the proposed site of it. Also about the design of it.

Class appears nowhere in the text of the original story. You were the first to bring up the subject. And then your disturbed friend jumped on the bandwagon.

Why can't you people stay relevant, instead of this constant need to insult and make assumptions about other posters here?

My comments are always articulate and well researched or based on personal experience. You may or may not agree with them and you are entitled to oppose or agree.

But does it always have to get so personal?
You post this: "Dear oh dear, your meds haven't kicked in yet have they? Total irrelevant gibberish AGAIN.

Perhaps you should ask matron for some new antipsychotics."

And then this:

"does it always have to get so personal?"

Do you know your A from your E?
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring...[/p][/quote]Lower class? That sounds a bit lofty. What do you mean lower class? I know a lot of decent, ordinary people that shop at Lidl. Mostly people in work, respectable people. So what do you call "upper class" then, Waitrose? M&S? Have you any idea how you sound? And what "class" do you consider yourself then? Aristocracy?[/p][/quote]'lower class', 'decent', 'ordinary' and 'respectable' are not mutually exclusive terms, but exclusion by price is an established driver of the free market, and always has been.... waitrose knew what they were doing, extending their reach, into leigh-on sea.... higher prices, for the affluent, is a polite way of saying "no riff raff here"........... as for me, more warrior class, praying, in vain, for a revolution.....[/p][/quote]Have I stumbled into a parallel universe? Or is this website becoming more absurd? Since when did this discussion descend into class distinctions? Let me remind you - and the individual above - that the story is about a supermarket and people objecting to the proposed site of it. Also about the design of it. Class appears nowhere in the text of the original story. You were the first to bring up the subject. And then your disturbed friend jumped on the bandwagon. Why can't you people stay relevant, instead of this constant need to insult and make assumptions about other posters here? My comments are always articulate and well researched or based on personal experience. You may or may not agree with them and you are entitled to oppose or agree. But does it always have to get so personal?[/p][/quote]You post this: "Dear oh dear, your meds haven't kicked in yet have they? Total irrelevant gibberish AGAIN. Perhaps you should ask matron for some new antipsychotics." And then this: "does it always have to get so personal?" Do you know your A from your E? ThisYear
  • Score: 1

8:07pm Wed 9 Apr 14

ThisYear says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
What the hell is wrong with people? Lidl stores are excellent with some brilliant bargains and a good choice of products.

It is providing new jobs and more choice for locals to shop. Lidl is one of the cheapest supermarkets going but its range is comprehensive and it has a constantly updated list of new items, not all of which are groceries.

As for the building itself, it's a supermarket, not a national monument. So what should it look like? Doric columns, cupolas and plaster lions at the entrance?

It's on an existing business site, not an an area of outstanding beauty. I could understand the objections if it was going to be built on Two Tree Island or next to Hadleigh Castle - but an industrial estate? Come on.

As far as I am concerned and in my own personal experience, there are worse things to live next door to. MUCH worse.

Bring it on I say. I'll certainly shop there. No problem.
"there are worse things to live next door to. MUCH worse"

Yes, like next door to you..cheez..can you imagine it?
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: What the hell is wrong with people? Lidl stores are excellent with some brilliant bargains and a good choice of products. It is providing new jobs and more choice for locals to shop. Lidl is one of the cheapest supermarkets going but its range is comprehensive and it has a constantly updated list of new items, not all of which are groceries. As for the building itself, it's a supermarket, not a national monument. So what should it look like? Doric columns, cupolas and plaster lions at the entrance? It's on an existing business site, not an an area of outstanding beauty. I could understand the objections if it was going to be built on Two Tree Island or next to Hadleigh Castle - but an industrial estate? Come on. As far as I am concerned and in my own personal experience, there are worse things to live next door to. MUCH worse. Bring it on I say. I'll certainly shop there. No problem.[/p][/quote]"there are worse things to live next door to. MUCH worse" Yes, like next door to you..cheez..can you imagine it? ThisYear
  • Score: 1

8:10pm Wed 9 Apr 14

ThisYear says...

Howard Cháse wrote:
Surely it's Harrod's food hall or Fortnum and Mason for the poshos. Waitrose and M&S being for the jumped up pretentious middle class.
Foodbank halls for the lower middle class downwards if the tories get another 5 years in power.
[quote][p][bold]Howard Cháse[/bold] wrote: Surely it's Harrod's food hall or Fortnum and Mason for the poshos. Waitrose and M&S being for the jumped up pretentious middle class.[/p][/quote]Foodbank halls for the lower middle class downwards if the tories get another 5 years in power. ThisYear
  • Score: -2

8:12pm Wed 9 Apr 14

ThisYear says...

pembury53 wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
pembury53 wrote: a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring...
Lower class? That sounds a bit lofty. What do you mean lower class? I know a lot of decent, ordinary people that shop at Lidl. Mostly people in work, respectable people. So what do you call "upper class" then, Waitrose? M&S? Have you any idea how you sound? And what "class" do you consider yourself then? Aristocracy?
'lower class', 'decent', 'ordinary' and 'respectable' are not mutually exclusive terms, but exclusion by price is an established driver of the free market, and always has been.... waitrose knew what they were doing, extending their reach, into leigh-on sea.... higher prices, for the affluent, is a polite way of saying "no riff raff here"........... as for me, more warrior class, praying, in vain, for a revolution.....
While discriminating against ethnic minorities that don't suit your taste..
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring...[/p][/quote]Lower class? That sounds a bit lofty. What do you mean lower class? I know a lot of decent, ordinary people that shop at Lidl. Mostly people in work, respectable people. So what do you call "upper class" then, Waitrose? M&S? Have you any idea how you sound? And what "class" do you consider yourself then? Aristocracy?[/p][/quote]'lower class', 'decent', 'ordinary' and 'respectable' are not mutually exclusive terms, but exclusion by price is an established driver of the free market, and always has been.... waitrose knew what they were doing, extending their reach, into leigh-on sea.... higher prices, for the affluent, is a polite way of saying "no riff raff here"........... as for me, more warrior class, praying, in vain, for a revolution.....[/p][/quote]While discriminating against ethnic minorities that don't suit your taste.. ThisYear
  • Score: 2

12:39pm Sat 12 Apr 14

I care about rayleigh says...

Shop in British stores. German companies don't need our help. Stick to sainsbury's and waitrose, not lidl and aldi. As for tesco/wamart - american!!
Shop in British stores. German companies don't need our help. Stick to sainsbury's and waitrose, not lidl and aldi. As for tesco/wamart - american!! I care about rayleigh
  • Score: 0

4:54pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Bigmama1 says...

andyh wrote:
"a landmark building is needed at the entrance to the Progress Road Industrial Estate"
1) this isn't the front entrance - that is the A127 end … and is "distinguished" by a fast-food place and a (not) decorative self-store warehouse.
2) In any case a LIDL store is generally more of a landmark building than you would expect on a meh industrial estate.

Are the planning officers trying to get this sent to (and passed on) appeal - the inspectors would laugh at those grounds for rejection and the council would waste money on legal fees and everybodies time.

If I believed in the conspiracy stories about brown envelopes I'd think that LIDL is just refusing to pay bribes and getting rejected for that reason. Um, it makes you wonder!
I absolutely agree. There is a so called consortium of businessmen who want to create units for small businesses from the present empty building. Surely these so called small business units will themselves create traffic by their staff and visitors to their units also? There are also many empty small units in the Progress Road estate which have been empty for years. So much for creating more small business units if the empty ones haven't been occupied. There are a great number of people who want a Lidl store in Progress road. I think there are some dirty tricks by a few Councillors to stop what the public want. Please Southend Council tell us when a public meeting will take place so we can all attend. Silly me, this will never happen. Oh by the way, the design is very good looking. I wonder what the next excuse will be?
[quote][p][bold]andyh[/bold] wrote: "a landmark building is needed at the entrance to the Progress Road Industrial Estate" 1) this isn't the front entrance - that is the A127 end … and is "distinguished" by a fast-food place and a (not) decorative self-store warehouse. 2) In any case a LIDL store is generally more of a landmark building than you would expect on a meh industrial estate. Are the planning officers trying to get this sent to (and passed on) appeal - the inspectors would laugh at those grounds for rejection and the council would waste money on legal fees and everybodies time. If I believed in the conspiracy stories about brown envelopes I'd think that LIDL is just refusing to pay bribes and getting rejected for that reason. Um, it makes you wonder![/p][/quote]I absolutely agree. There is a so called consortium of businessmen who want to create units for small businesses from the present empty building. Surely these so called small business units will themselves create traffic by their staff and visitors to their units also? There are also many empty small units in the Progress Road estate which have been empty for years. So much for creating more small business units if the empty ones haven't been occupied. There are a great number of people who want a Lidl store in Progress road. I think there are some dirty tricks by a few Councillors to stop what the public want. Please Southend Council tell us when a public meeting will take place so we can all attend. Silly me, this will never happen. Oh by the way, the design is very good looking. I wonder what the next excuse will be? Bigmama1
  • Score: 1

8:28am Mon 14 Apr 14

Bigmama1 says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma


kessense
wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
pembury53 wrote: a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring...
Lower class? That sounds a bit lofty. What do you mean lower class? I know a lot of decent, ordinary people that shop at Lidl. Mostly people in work, respectable people. So what do you call "upper class" then, Waitrose? M&S? Have you any idea how you sound? And what "class" do you consider yourself then? Aristocracy?
'lower class', 'decent', 'ordinary' and 'respectable' are not mutually exclusive terms, but exclusion by price is an established driver of the free market, and always has been.... waitrose knew what they were doing, extending their reach, into leigh-on sea.... higher prices, for the affluent, is a polite way of saying "no riff raff here"........... as for me, more warrior class, praying, in vain, for a revolution.....
The food is expensive in some shops, "Because you are worth it" too dear for you, then go elsewhere, class is there for all, be it working, middle or upper....
Dear oh dear, your meds haven't kicked in yet have they? Total irrelevant gibberish AGAIN.

Perhaps you should ask matron for some new antipsychotics.
OK Matron,
Children, I wish these back and forth snipes would stop. I no longer read any comments put on by certain people. Totally irrelevant to the article in majority of cases.
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: a budget outlet, suited to the lower class, would be well situated there..... the objections sound like a red herring...[/p][/quote]Lower class? That sounds a bit lofty. What do you mean lower class? I know a lot of decent, ordinary people that shop at Lidl. Mostly people in work, respectable people. So what do you call "upper class" then, Waitrose? M&S? Have you any idea how you sound? And what "class" do you consider yourself then? Aristocracy?[/p][/quote]'lower class', 'decent', 'ordinary' and 'respectable' are not mutually exclusive terms, but exclusion by price is an established driver of the free market, and always has been.... waitrose knew what they were doing, extending their reach, into leigh-on sea.... higher prices, for the affluent, is a polite way of saying "no riff raff here"........... as for me, more warrior class, praying, in vain, for a revolution.....[/p][/quote]The food is expensive in some shops, "Because you are worth it" too dear for you, then go elsewhere, class is there for all, be it working, middle or upper....[/p][/quote]Dear oh dear, your meds haven't kicked in yet have they? Total irrelevant gibberish AGAIN. Perhaps you should ask matron for some new antipsychotics.[/p][/quote]OK Matron,[/p][/quote]Children, I wish these back and forth snipes would stop. I no longer read any comments put on by certain people. Totally irrelevant to the article in majority of cases. Bigmama1
  • Score: 0

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