'Mad' Essex County Council rules means no hope for Basildon school speed limits despite speeding cars

Concerned – Clare and Steve Perry with son River at the crossing where he was knocked over

Concerned – Clare and Steve Perry with son River at the crossing where he was knocked over

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PLANS for 20mph speed lim- its outside Basildon schools are being scuppered by county council rules.

New speed surveys, carried out at four primary schools in the borough, show a worrying trend of cars speeding past schools.

Average speeds ranged from 24.7mph to 34mph, but county council rules state drivers have to be travelling at 24mph or under for a 20mph zone to be “achievable”.

Damien Pye, the headteacher at Great Berry Primary School, said: “It’s madness. The faster cars go the more risk of an accident, so it’s more important to bring the speed limit down. I have had a meeting with our local councillor about this.

“We see cars speeding all the time.”

The speed surveys were conducted outside Lee Chapel Primary School in The Knares, Lee Chapel, Great Berry Primary School in Forest Glade, Langdon Hills, Cherry Tree Primary School in Church Road, Vange and Vange Primary School in London Road.

Kerry Smith, Ukip county councillor for Westley Heights, called for the surveys as part of his role on Basildon’s Highways Panel. He said: “It’s codswallop. These roads have historic problems with speeding. 20mph zones encourage people to take their foot off the accelerator.

“But the bureaucracy at County Hall is stopping councillors representing their wards.”

One speed survey outside Vange Primary School, found cars were speeding at about 34mph – but that wasn’t fast enough to warrant traffic calming measures, such as speed humps.

An Essex County Council network management officer said 20mph zones shouldn’t be applied when speeds are higher than 24mph as it places an “unsustainable burden” on police to enforce it.

The spokesman added: “If the panel wishes for a 20mph limit at these sites to be reconsidered, they may submit a justification for the request to the highways officer.

“Advisory 20mph limits and ‘20 is plenty’ signs could be introduced outside schools, but they are not enforceable.”

 

A PARENT whose son was hit by a car on a residential road is “gutted” nothing can be done to sort out speeding drivers in Vange.

A speed survey in London Road, Vange, showed drivers travelling at an average of 34mph, despite the speed limit being 30mph.

But this means it doesn’t meet the criteria for Essex County Council to implement traffic calming measures as speeds needed to be 35mph plus.

Clare Perry, 37, of Goldings Crescent, Vange, wants something done about the road as her son River, 13, was hit by a car on the road in 2009 when he was nine. She claims the crash affected his aspergers and may have led to his epilepsy.

She said: “Our lives have been changed since River was hit by a car.

“I’m gutted, what’s it going to take before they start listening to residents – someone to die?

“I’m really shocked the average speed has come back as so low. We live around here and if you spoke to anyone they would say they have been almost taken out at the crossing.Iknow everyone is in a hurry these days, but unless something is done someone will get killed and it scares me because every time I cross that road I panic.”

 

LEE CHAPEL PRIMARY Deemed not slow enough for 20mph limit.

Eastbound on The Knares towards Basildon, average 26.4mph Westbound towards Laindon, average 28mph

- Average speeds needs to be under 24mph for action to be taken

FOREST GLADE Deemed by Essex County Council not slow enough for 20mph limit.

Eastbound towards Dunton Plotlands average 24.7mph Westbound towards Laindon average 29.2mph

- Average speeds needs to be under 24mph for action to be taken

CHERRY TREE Deemed by Essex County Council not slow enough for 20mph limit.

Southend bound towards Vange, average 26mph Northbound towards Basildon, average 23.8mph

- Average speeds needs to be under 24mph for action to be taken

VANGE PRIMARY Traffic not deemed fast enough for traffic calming measures.

Eastbound towards Pitsea, average 34mph Westbound towards Nethermayne average 33.4mph

- Average speeds needed to be 35mph-plus

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5:06pm Fri 14 Mar 14

John T Pharro says...

Even where there are 20 mph speed limits outside schools most motorists totally ignore them and that includes the mothers with school age children. How many motorists have been prosecuted for speeding in a 20 mph zone? To my knowledge NIL.
Even where there are 20 mph speed limits outside schools most motorists totally ignore them and that includes the mothers with school age children. How many motorists have been prosecuted for speeding in a 20 mph zone? To my knowledge NIL. John T Pharro
  • Score: 10

5:25pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Howard Cháse says...

If kids and parents stick to the pavement and use designated crossings sensibly there should be no need to try to enforce 20MPH limits.
If kids and parents stick to the pavement and use designated crossings sensibly there should be no need to try to enforce 20MPH limits. Howard Cháse
  • Score: 8

5:29pm Fri 14 Mar 14

John T Pharro says...

Howard Cháse wrote:
If kids and parents stick to the pavement and use designated crossings sensibly there should be no need to try to enforce 20MPH limits.
And if motorists stuck to 30 mph and other speed limits there would be no need for speed cameras or traffic police. Just like motorists who park on double yellow lines there would be no need for traffic wardens. Unfortunately too many don't.
[quote][p][bold]Howard Cháse[/bold] wrote: If kids and parents stick to the pavement and use designated crossings sensibly there should be no need to try to enforce 20MPH limits.[/p][/quote]And if motorists stuck to 30 mph and other speed limits there would be no need for speed cameras or traffic police. Just like motorists who park on double yellow lines there would be no need for traffic wardens. Unfortunately too many don't. John T Pharro
  • Score: 4

5:49pm Fri 14 Mar 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

Time for the parents, to start teaching these urchins, some road safety, and time for speed cameras to be placed along this stretch of the road.
Time for the parents, to start teaching these urchins, some road safety, and time for speed cameras to be placed along this stretch of the road. carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: 9

6:07pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Howard Cháse says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
Time for the parents, to start teaching these urchins, some road safety, and time for speed cameras to be placed along this stretch of the road.
Bring back The Tufty Club...
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: Time for the parents, to start teaching these urchins, some road safety, and time for speed cameras to be placed along this stretch of the road.[/p][/quote]Bring back The Tufty Club... Howard Cháse
  • Score: 8

6:49pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Mikkel1 says...

When I was at school, we were taught road safety, AND walked every day. Our parents didn't have a car, as most do these days, simply because man are far too lazy.
When I was at school, we were taught road safety, AND walked every day. Our parents didn't have a car, as most do these days, simply because man are far too lazy. Mikkel1
  • Score: 9

6:51pm Fri 14 Mar 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

Mikkel1 wrote:
When I was at school, we were taught road safety, AND walked every day. Our parents didn't have a car, as most do these days, simply because man are far too lazy.
And Woman learn to drive, forget how to cook, Man no longer Boss...
[quote][p][bold]Mikkel1[/bold] wrote: When I was at school, we were taught road safety, AND walked every day. Our parents didn't have a car, as most do these days, simply because man are far too lazy.[/p][/quote]And Woman learn to drive, forget how to cook, Man no longer Boss... carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: 4

7:00pm Fri 14 Mar 14

pembury53 says...

John T Pharro wrote:
Howard Cháse wrote:
If kids and parents stick to the pavement and use designated crossings sensibly there should be no need to try to enforce 20MPH limits.
And if motorists stuck to 30 mph and other speed limits there would be no need for speed cameras or traffic police. Just like motorists who park on double yellow lines there would be no need for traffic wardens. Unfortunately too many don't.
there is only a need for speed cameras in the minds of the deluded..... at one time the wretched contraptions never existed and the number of accidents as a proportion of traffic volumes was roughly the same...... just without the 'ke-ching'
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Howard Cháse[/bold] wrote: If kids and parents stick to the pavement and use designated crossings sensibly there should be no need to try to enforce 20MPH limits.[/p][/quote]And if motorists stuck to 30 mph and other speed limits there would be no need for speed cameras or traffic police. Just like motorists who park on double yellow lines there would be no need for traffic wardens. Unfortunately too many don't.[/p][/quote]there is only a need for speed cameras in the minds of the deluded..... at one time the wretched contraptions never existed and the number of accidents as a proportion of traffic volumes was roughly the same...... just without the 'ke-ching' pembury53
  • Score: -2

7:31pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Ed Woods says...

Should 20 mph zones be imposed 24 hours a day 365 days a year outside schools?
Should 20 mph zones be imposed 24 hours a day 365 days a year outside schools? Ed Woods
  • Score: 4

8:26pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Basildonbird says...

How about no parking outside schools so we can see both sides of the ride in the name of road safety
How about no parking outside schools so we can see both sides of the ride in the name of road safety Basildonbird
  • Score: 7

9:02am Sat 15 Mar 14

why?1997 says...

This is ridiculous! The average speed needs to be lower in order to enforce a 20mph zone. So the faster they go, the less likely the council are to put one in? It will take an accident or even fatality before anything gets done. These are children for goodness sake. My child attends one of these schools, which up until recently had a lollipop attendant. This person has now been made redundant because ' there is no need for one'! I am sure there are other ways the council can cut costs than risk children's lives.
This is ridiculous! The average speed needs to be lower in order to enforce a 20mph zone. So the faster they go, the less likely the council are to put one in? It will take an accident or even fatality before anything gets done. These are children for goodness sake. My child attends one of these schools, which up until recently had a lollipop attendant. This person has now been made redundant because ' there is no need for one'! I am sure there are other ways the council can cut costs than risk children's lives. why?1997
  • Score: 0

12:57pm Sat 15 Mar 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

why?1997 wrote:
This is ridiculous! The average speed needs to be lower in order to enforce a 20mph zone. So the faster they go, the less likely the council are to put one in? It will take an accident or even fatality before anything gets done. These are children for goodness sake. My child attends one of these schools, which up until recently had a lollipop attendant. This person has now been made redundant because ' there is no need for one'! I am sure there are other ways the council can cut costs than risk children's lives.
Hows about the parents teaching their kids a bit of road safety, instead of leaving it in the hands of others, I'm sick of hearing the nimby woes of so called adults, looking for others to do their role, in this world.
[quote][p][bold]why?1997[/bold] wrote: This is ridiculous! The average speed needs to be lower in order to enforce a 20mph zone. So the faster they go, the less likely the council are to put one in? It will take an accident or even fatality before anything gets done. These are children for goodness sake. My child attends one of these schools, which up until recently had a lollipop attendant. This person has now been made redundant because ' there is no need for one'! I am sure there are other ways the council can cut costs than risk children's lives.[/p][/quote]Hows about the parents teaching their kids a bit of road safety, instead of leaving it in the hands of others, I'm sick of hearing the nimby woes of so called adults, looking for others to do their role, in this world. carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: 4

1:00pm Sat 15 Mar 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

Basildonbird wrote:
How about no parking outside schools so we can see both sides of the ride in the name of road safety
Tis wot the ZIG ZAGS are for, a no parking zone, trouble every idiot in a 4x4 flouts it...
[quote][p][bold]Basildonbird[/bold] wrote: How about no parking outside schools so we can see both sides of the ride in the name of road safety[/p][/quote]Tis wot the ZIG ZAGS are for, a no parking zone, trouble every idiot in a 4x4 flouts it... carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: 3

7:39pm Sat 15 Mar 14

why?1997 says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
why?1997 wrote:
This is ridiculous! The average speed needs to be lower in order to enforce a 20mph zone. So the faster they go, the less likely the council are to put one in? It will take an accident or even fatality before anything gets done. These are children for goodness sake. My child attends one of these schools, which up until recently had a lollipop attendant. This person has now been made redundant because ' there is no need for one'! I am sure there are other ways the council can cut costs than risk children's lives.
Hows about the parents teaching their kids a bit of road safety, instead of leaving it in the hands of others, I'm sick of hearing the nimby woes of so called adults, looking for others to do their role, in this world.
carnmountyouknowitma
kessense

Parents and teachers do teach their children to cross safely, but cannot stop idiots who speed without a thought for others. I have seen several near misses on crossings when drivers have come along too fast to stop.
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]why?1997[/bold] wrote: This is ridiculous! The average speed needs to be lower in order to enforce a 20mph zone. So the faster they go, the less likely the council are to put one in? It will take an accident or even fatality before anything gets done. These are children for goodness sake. My child attends one of these schools, which up until recently had a lollipop attendant. This person has now been made redundant because ' there is no need for one'! I am sure there are other ways the council can cut costs than risk children's lives.[/p][/quote]Hows about the parents teaching their kids a bit of road safety, instead of leaving it in the hands of others, I'm sick of hearing the nimby woes of so called adults, looking for others to do their role, in this world.[/p][/quote]carnmountyouknowitma kessense Parents and teachers do teach their children to cross safely, but cannot stop idiots who speed without a thought for others. I have seen several near misses on crossings when drivers have come along too fast to stop. why?1997
  • Score: -3

5:09pm Sun 16 Mar 14

John T Pharro says...

pembury53 wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
Howard Cháse wrote:
If kids and parents stick to the pavement and use designated crossings sensibly there should be no need to try to enforce 20MPH limits.
And if motorists stuck to 30 mph and other speed limits there would be no need for speed cameras or traffic police. Just like motorists who park on double yellow lines there would be no need for traffic wardens. Unfortunately too many don't.
there is only a need for speed cameras in the minds of the deluded..... at one time the wretched contraptions never existed and the number of accidents as a proportion of traffic volumes was roughly the same...... just without the 'ke-ching'
What a nonsense comment. There were less cars before speed cameras. It is like serious injuries in accidents. There were less accidents because of less vehicles, but they were far more serious, but seat belts have reduced relatively the number of serious injuries. Then again you are probably one of those who believes seat belts cause more serious injuries.
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Howard Cháse[/bold] wrote: If kids and parents stick to the pavement and use designated crossings sensibly there should be no need to try to enforce 20MPH limits.[/p][/quote]And if motorists stuck to 30 mph and other speed limits there would be no need for speed cameras or traffic police. Just like motorists who park on double yellow lines there would be no need for traffic wardens. Unfortunately too many don't.[/p][/quote]there is only a need for speed cameras in the minds of the deluded..... at one time the wretched contraptions never existed and the number of accidents as a proportion of traffic volumes was roughly the same...... just without the 'ke-ching'[/p][/quote]What a nonsense comment. There were less cars before speed cameras. It is like serious injuries in accidents. There were less accidents because of less vehicles, but they were far more serious, but seat belts have reduced relatively the number of serious injuries. Then again you are probably one of those who believes seat belts cause more serious injuries. John T Pharro
  • Score: 0

5:14pm Sun 16 Mar 14

John T Pharro says...

Ed Woods wrote:
Should 20 mph zones be imposed 24 hours a day 365 days a year outside schools?
Maybe not, but schools are open with children moving in and out if school more than just Monday to Friday at school times each end of the day. Like pre and after school clubs including weekends and out of term time. Plus the school days opening times are different from school to school.
[quote][p][bold]Ed Woods[/bold] wrote: Should 20 mph zones be imposed 24 hours a day 365 days a year outside schools?[/p][/quote]Maybe not, but schools are open with children moving in and out if school more than just Monday to Friday at school times each end of the day. Like pre and after school clubs including weekends and out of term time. Plus the school days opening times are different from school to school. John T Pharro
  • Score: 0

7:24pm Sun 16 Mar 14

John T Pharro says...

Basildonbird wrote:
How about no parking outside schools so we can see both sides of the ride in the name of road safety
Even double yellow lines are ignored and who ignores them? The parents/carers picking up their own children. They even park in the school entrances on hatched areas. Perhaps the penalty should be points on their licence as well as a fine.
[quote][p][bold]Basildonbird[/bold] wrote: How about no parking outside schools so we can see both sides of the ride in the name of road safety[/p][/quote]Even double yellow lines are ignored and who ignores them? The parents/carers picking up their own children. They even park in the school entrances on hatched areas. Perhaps the penalty should be points on their licence as well as a fine. John T Pharro
  • Score: 1

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