Basildon Council threaten to sue Essex County Council over street light blackout

Southend Standard: Legal threat – Basildon councillor John Dornan Legal threat – Basildon councillor John Dornan

COUNTY Hall could be dragged through the courts over its controversial decision to turn off street lights in Basildon.

Basildon Council is speaking to its lawyers and has threatened it could launch legal action against Essex County Council if the switch-off causes a crime increase.

Bosses have said the decision is putting residents at risk.

They have a meeting with County Hall later this month to discuss keeping the lights on in six areas which have so far escaped the switch-off, to give the council time to gather evidence that it would lead to increased crime.

County Hall began switching off street lights across the borough between midnight and 5am on Sunday, February 23.

John Dornan, Basildon councillor responsible for the environment, said he would be watching crime figures with an eagle eye for any spikes which could be a result of the switch-off.

He said: “I have not ruled out further legal advice or action against Essex County Council if we see an increase in accidents.

“If there is a spike and it is not taking notice, and we have proof people are rolling into A&E, or people are getting mugged, we will go back to Essex County Council.

“If I consider the county council’s actions to be negligent I will look at our legal team to see what we can do to put the lights backon.

“This is the sort of thing we do in a Third World country – not in Essex.”

It has already been claimed police failed to track a suspected car thief on Friday because he ran off into the darkness.

The police’s helicopter, a dog unit and officers on the ground failed to find the man who crashed a white van in Sandon Road, Basildon.

Neighbours claimed the midnight manhunt failed because officer couldn’t see where the suspect had gone.

David Abrahall, Tory councillor for Pitsea South East, also backed the notion of legal action by Basildon Council.

He said: “I’m calling on Rodney Bass to resign.

“I’m ashamed to say I’m in the same party as him.

“We should be taking legal advice, because we have been taken back to the Blitz by someone who is living in the Thirties.”

Mr Abrahall added he had complained about two alleyways in his ward – in Pitsea Mount and Mountfields, both close to Pitsea station – but had heard nothing from County Hall.

Basildon Council previously took legal advice about claims the county council hadn’t carried out a proper consultation over the switchoff.

However, it wasn’t taken any further when County Hall agreed to a meeting to hear about local concerns.

A county council spokesman said: “We will work closely with Essex Police if they provide representation regarding an area they believe should be exempt from the part-night lighting scheme.”

THE man who decided to switch off Basildon’s street lights has been challenged to have a night out on one of the town’s estates.

Rodney Bass, county councillor responsible for highways, has been invited to walk around Basildon between midnight and 5am – the time when his partnight lighting scheme is in full swing.

Basildon Council managed to win a reprieve from the switch off for the Five Links, Felmores, Langdon Hills, Chalvedon, Pitsea 1/2/3 and Craylands estates.

However, others have been kept in the dark, including the Vange ¾ and Lee Chapel estates.

John Dornan, Basildon councillor responsible for the environment, said: “Rodney Bass needs to meet me at 1, 2 or 3am on one of the estates and see what it’s like.

“We are not going to roll over. We said from day one Basildon was a unique example.

“Basildon is open 24 hours a day.

“We have people who get up and are out of the door by 4.15am to catch the first train to Fenchurch Street and they are frightened because they are walking in the dark.

“That is not acceptable.”

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7:46am Thu 6 Mar 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

Lets see those crime figures, compared to the lit areas, because this seems like just another sour grape attempt, to thwart the street light switch off.
Lets see those crime figures, compared to the lit areas, because this seems like just another sour grape attempt, to thwart the street light switch off. carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: -25

8:07am Thu 6 Mar 14

Silver linings says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
Lets see those crime figures, compared to the lit areas, because this seems like just another sour grape attempt, to thwart the street light switch off.
Absolutely.
Perhaps instead of wasting time fighting what is a good idea they should get involved in this
https://www.facebook
.com/WattylePlanetar
ium

The lights being off isn't the problem.
Complaint - It's dark, people can't see where they are going and are more at risk of accidents - Have these people never heard of torches and light coloured clothing?

Complaint - People walking along roads late at night have been knocked down, if we turn the lights off it will get worse - In the incident I am aware of it was the early hours of the morning and the person had large amounts of alcohol in their body. Oh, and the lights were on when it happened. Having the lights on doesn't stop people doing stupid things that risk their safety.

Complaint - Dark is scary - Grow up! Dark isn't scary, it's what is meant to happen at night.

Complaint - Crime will go up. - So what you are saying is, because this is Basildon we are going to accept that there are people with no morals and rather than tackle that we are going to put the lights back on?!
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: Lets see those crime figures, compared to the lit areas, because this seems like just another sour grape attempt, to thwart the street light switch off.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. Perhaps instead of wasting time fighting what is a good idea they should get involved in this https://www.facebook .com/WattylePlanetar ium The lights being off isn't the problem. Complaint - It's dark, people can't see where they are going and are more at risk of accidents - Have these people never heard of torches and light coloured clothing? Complaint - People walking along roads late at night have been knocked down, if we turn the lights off it will get worse - In the incident I am aware of it was the early hours of the morning and the person had large amounts of alcohol in their body. Oh, and the lights were on when it happened. Having the lights on doesn't stop people doing stupid things that risk their safety. Complaint - Dark is scary - Grow up! Dark isn't scary, it's what is meant to happen at night. Complaint - Crime will go up. - So what you are saying is, because this is Basildon we are going to accept that there are people with no morals and rather than tackle that we are going to put the lights back on?! Silver linings
  • Score: 1

8:45am Thu 6 Mar 14

aarontrophy says...

i do think turning the lights off is a issue but people saying they cant see i walked home from the pub the other night in the dark dont see the problem, but then on the other hand it will make it easier for scumbags to nick things and rob stuff
i do think turning the lights off is a issue but people saying they cant see i walked home from the pub the other night in the dark dont see the problem, but then on the other hand it will make it easier for scumbags to nick things and rob stuff aarontrophy
  • Score: 25

9:30am Thu 6 Mar 14

jazbas says...

has essex council never heard of prevention is better than cure what will it take a murder stabbing mugging to convince them if some one was killed try explaining why they turned the lights off to thier families the is the thin edge of the wedge listen to the people you represent well at the least we can all look forward to a council tax refund i dont think so
has essex council never heard of prevention is better than cure what will it take a murder stabbing mugging to convince them if some one was killed try explaining why they turned the lights off to thier families the is the thin edge of the wedge listen to the people you represent well at the least we can all look forward to a council tax refund i dont think so jazbas
  • Score: 27

10:23am Thu 6 Mar 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

Show bus the Crime figure increase. Simple equation to offer an argument for the lights to remain on.
Show bus the Crime figure increase. Simple equation to offer an argument for the lights to remain on. carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: 1

10:26am Thu 6 Mar 14

Howard Cháse says...

How much would this legal action cost the taxpayers?
How much would this legal action cost the taxpayers? Howard Cháse
  • Score: 22

10:44am Thu 6 Mar 14

LinfordsLunchbox says...

The pavements arent looked after enough to switch streetlights off
The pavements arent looked after enough to switch streetlights off LinfordsLunchbox
  • Score: 34

10:55am Thu 6 Mar 14

Daveydoo says...

Once again a minority trying to cause problems, when you consider that 99% of the borough are tucked up in bed when the lights are off is it really such an issue
Once again a minority trying to cause problems, when you consider that 99% of the borough are tucked up in bed when the lights are off is it really such an issue Daveydoo
  • Score: -14

11:21am Thu 6 Mar 14

ThisYear says...

The 'spike' could be betrayed as a coincidence! There would have to be more coalition that just a 'spike' to prove a case...by which time the acquisition of carrots in the area will have become a rich mans vegetable, but still served up regularly at the fat council cats luncheons..
The 'spike' could be betrayed as a coincidence! There would have to be more coalition that just a 'spike' to prove a case...by which time the acquisition of carrots in the area will have become a rich mans vegetable, but still served up regularly at the fat council cats luncheons.. ThisYear
  • Score: 3

11:24am Thu 6 Mar 14

Howard Cháse says...

If you want to live somewhere with all night streetlights just move to one of the dodgier estates where they do stay on....
If you want to live somewhere with all night streetlights just move to one of the dodgier estates where they do stay on.... Howard Cháse
  • Score: 3

12:53pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Howard Cháse says...

ThisYear wrote:
The 'spike' could be betrayed as a coincidence! There would have to be more coalition that just a 'spike' to prove a case...by which time the acquisition of carrots in the area will have become a rich mans vegetable, but still served up regularly at the fat council cats luncheons..
Boiled beef and carrots......
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: The 'spike' could be betrayed as a coincidence! There would have to be more coalition that just a 'spike' to prove a case...by which time the acquisition of carrots in the area will have become a rich mans vegetable, but still served up regularly at the fat council cats luncheons..[/p][/quote]Boiled beef and carrots...... Howard Cháse
  • Score: 3

12:54pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Howard Cháse says...

ThisYear wrote:
The 'spike' could be betrayed as a coincidence! There would have to be more coalition that just a 'spike' to prove a case...by which time the acquisition of carrots in the area will have become a rich mans vegetable, but still served up regularly at the fat council cats luncheons..
Boiled beef and carrots......


24 carats for the Council Fat Cats.....
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: The 'spike' could be betrayed as a coincidence! There would have to be more coalition that just a 'spike' to prove a case...by which time the acquisition of carrots in the area will have become a rich mans vegetable, but still served up regularly at the fat council cats luncheons..[/p][/quote]Boiled beef and carrots...... 24 carats for the Council Fat Cats..... Howard Cháse
  • Score: 9

1:02pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Mattster says...

You do have to wonder about ECC considering they paid out £250,000 for someone slipping on a ketchup sachet in a fully lit school. Its only a matter of time before people are suing for Millions due to accidents that can be attributed to the council turning off the lights - In the end this scheme will probably *cost* millions rather than saving money.
You do have to wonder about ECC considering they paid out £250,000 for someone slipping on a ketchup sachet in a fully lit school. Its only a matter of time before people are suing for Millions due to accidents that can be attributed to the council turning off the lights - In the end this scheme will probably *cost* millions rather than saving money. Mattster
  • Score: 25

1:50pm Thu 6 Mar 14

andy:) says...

Mattster wrote:
You do have to wonder about ECC considering they paid out £250,000 for someone slipping on a ketchup sachet in a fully lit school. Its only a matter of time before people are suing for Millions due to accidents that can be attributed to the council turning off the lights - In the end this scheme will probably *cost* millions rather than saving money.
Ive walked on some paths recently where you almost cant see the surface due to no lights and this thought went through my mind, all it takes is one or two people to trip on an uneven and unlit footpath and sue and ECC would lose any saving, although it may be the individual would sue their local council and the local council seek to get the moiney off ECC.
[quote][p][bold]Mattster[/bold] wrote: You do have to wonder about ECC considering they paid out £250,000 for someone slipping on a ketchup sachet in a fully lit school. Its only a matter of time before people are suing for Millions due to accidents that can be attributed to the council turning off the lights - In the end this scheme will probably *cost* millions rather than saving money.[/p][/quote]Ive walked on some paths recently where you almost cant see the surface due to no lights and this thought went through my mind, all it takes is one or two people to trip on an uneven and unlit footpath and sue and ECC would lose any saving, although it may be the individual would sue their local council and the local council seek to get the moiney off ECC. andy:)
  • Score: 12

2:14pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Kim Gandy says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
Lets see those crime figures, compared to the lit areas, because this seems like just another sour grape attempt, to thwart the street light switch off.
do pipe down.

As for your pseudonym (look it up in the dictionary), nothing you say makes sense.

The word on the street (and I know, having spent a lot of time talking to local people in the course of my activities) is that people are hacked off with the lights be ing off.

One man I spoke to the other day said he felt the need to remove all his work tools from his work van overnight every night because he simply cannot see the back doors of his van after the lights are off, not unless he keeps going out to look.

He cannot see his van properly from the property.

You are just a reactionary. You actually know nothing about any of the subjects discussed and you do nothing for your community so your comments are pointless.
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: Lets see those crime figures, compared to the lit areas, because this seems like just another sour grape attempt, to thwart the street light switch off.[/p][/quote]do pipe down. As for your pseudonym (look it up in the dictionary), nothing you say makes sense. The word on the street (and I know, having spent a lot of time talking to local people in the course of my activities) is that people are hacked off with the lights be ing off. One man I spoke to the other day said he felt the need to remove all his work tools from his work van overnight every night because he simply cannot see the back doors of his van after the lights are off, not unless he keeps going out to look. He cannot see his van properly from the property. You are just a reactionary. You actually know nothing about any of the subjects discussed and you do nothing for your community so your comments are pointless. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 12

2:15pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Kim Gandy says...

ThisYear wrote:
The 'spike' could be betrayed as a coincidence! There would have to be more coalition that just a 'spike' to prove a case...by which time the acquisition of carrots in the area will have become a rich mans vegetable, but still served up regularly at the fat council cats luncheons..
Have you taken your meds today?
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: The 'spike' could be betrayed as a coincidence! There would have to be more coalition that just a 'spike' to prove a case...by which time the acquisition of carrots in the area will have become a rich mans vegetable, but still served up regularly at the fat council cats luncheons..[/p][/quote]Have you taken your meds today? Kim Gandy
  • Score: -3

2:15pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Kim Gandy says...

LinfordsLunchbox wrote:
The pavements arent looked after enough to switch streetlights off
Excellent point.
[quote][p][bold]LinfordsLunchbox[/bold] wrote: The pavements arent looked after enough to switch streetlights off[/p][/quote]Excellent point. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 12

2:43pm Thu 6 Mar 14

cg1blue says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
Show bus the Crime figure increase. Simple equation to offer an argument for the lights to remain on.
Can't you just use common sense? Put yourself in the shoes of the burglar or mugger. Would you rather mug someone or break into a house down a well lit street or a pitch black street?
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: Show bus the Crime figure increase. Simple equation to offer an argument for the lights to remain on.[/p][/quote]Can't you just use common sense? Put yourself in the shoes of the burglar or mugger. Would you rather mug someone or break into a house down a well lit street or a pitch black street? cg1blue
  • Score: 40

2:51pm Thu 6 Mar 14

cg1blue says...

Silver linings wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma kessense wrote: Lets see those crime figures, compared to the lit areas, because this seems like just another sour grape attempt, to thwart the street light switch off.
Absolutely. Perhaps instead of wasting time fighting what is a good idea they should get involved in this https://www.facebook .com/WattylePlanetar ium The lights being off isn't the problem. Complaint - It's dark, people can't see where they are going and are more at risk of accidents - Have these people never heard of torches and light coloured clothing? Complaint - People walking along roads late at night have been knocked down, if we turn the lights off it will get worse - In the incident I am aware of it was the early hours of the morning and the person had large amounts of alcohol in their body. Oh, and the lights were on when it happened. Having the lights on doesn't stop people doing stupid things that risk their safety. Complaint - Dark is scary - Grow up! Dark isn't scary, it's what is meant to happen at night. Complaint - Crime will go up. - So what you are saying is, because this is Basildon we are going to accept that there are people with no morals and rather than tackle that we are going to put the lights back on?!
So how quickly do you think we can rid the town of burglars and muggers and people with no morals? 1 week.....1 month...20 years?
So you think it's better to give those people the cover of darkness to carry out their 'night work' while we wait for a solution to the problems with an entire generation?
Clearly this lights off policy doesn't affect you, and you are seriously lacking empathy.
[quote][p][bold]Silver linings[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: Lets see those crime figures, compared to the lit areas, because this seems like just another sour grape attempt, to thwart the street light switch off.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. Perhaps instead of wasting time fighting what is a good idea they should get involved in this https://www.facebook .com/WattylePlanetar ium The lights being off isn't the problem. Complaint - It's dark, people can't see where they are going and are more at risk of accidents - Have these people never heard of torches and light coloured clothing? Complaint - People walking along roads late at night have been knocked down, if we turn the lights off it will get worse - In the incident I am aware of it was the early hours of the morning and the person had large amounts of alcohol in their body. Oh, and the lights were on when it happened. Having the lights on doesn't stop people doing stupid things that risk their safety. Complaint - Dark is scary - Grow up! Dark isn't scary, it's what is meant to happen at night. Complaint - Crime will go up. - So what you are saying is, because this is Basildon we are going to accept that there are people with no morals and rather than tackle that we are going to put the lights back on?![/p][/quote]So how quickly do you think we can rid the town of burglars and muggers and people with no morals? 1 week.....1 month...20 years? So you think it's better to give those people the cover of darkness to carry out their 'night work' while we wait for a solution to the problems with an entire generation? Clearly this lights off policy doesn't affect you, and you are seriously lacking empathy. cg1blue
  • Score: 26

5:19pm Thu 6 Mar 14

heartbeat says...

Thank goodness Southend Council has thought better of turning off the lights and all the potential damage it could cause!

I wouldn't be surprised if councils have to make payouts to people (council tax payers at least) who can prove they've suffered damage of one sort or another through failure to make public areas as safe as possible. If a couple of high profile cases were awarded damages in court the floodgates could open!
Thank goodness Southend Council has thought better of turning off the lights and all the potential damage it could cause! I wouldn't be surprised if councils have to make payouts to people (council tax payers at least) who can prove they've suffered damage of one sort or another through failure to make public areas as safe as possible. If a couple of high profile cases were awarded damages in court the floodgates could open! heartbeat
  • Score: 12

6:30pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Living the La Vida Legra says...

Silver linings wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma kessense wrote: Lets see those crime figures, compared to the lit areas, because this seems like just another sour grape attempt, to thwart the street light switch off.
Absolutely. Perhaps instead of wasting time fighting what is a good idea they should get involved in this https://www.facebook .com/WattylePlanetar ium The lights being off isn't the problem. Complaint - It's dark, people can't see where they are going and are more at risk of accidents - Have these people never heard of torches and light coloured clothing? Complaint - People walking along roads late at night have been knocked down, if we turn the lights off it will get worse - In the incident I am aware of it was the early hours of the morning and the person had large amounts of alcohol in their body. Oh, and the lights were on when it happened. Having the lights on doesn't stop people doing stupid things that risk their safety. Complaint - Dark is scary - Grow up! Dark isn't scary, it's what is meant to happen at night. Complaint - Crime will go up. - So what you are saying is, because this is Basildon we are going to accept that there are people with no morals and rather than tackle that we are going to put the lights back on?!
Well said
[quote][p][bold]Silver linings[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: Lets see those crime figures, compared to the lit areas, because this seems like just another sour grape attempt, to thwart the street light switch off.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. Perhaps instead of wasting time fighting what is a good idea they should get involved in this https://www.facebook .com/WattylePlanetar ium The lights being off isn't the problem. Complaint - It's dark, people can't see where they are going and are more at risk of accidents - Have these people never heard of torches and light coloured clothing? Complaint - People walking along roads late at night have been knocked down, if we turn the lights off it will get worse - In the incident I am aware of it was the early hours of the morning and the person had large amounts of alcohol in their body. Oh, and the lights were on when it happened. Having the lights on doesn't stop people doing stupid things that risk their safety. Complaint - Dark is scary - Grow up! Dark isn't scary, it's what is meant to happen at night. Complaint - Crime will go up. - So what you are saying is, because this is Basildon we are going to accept that there are people with no morals and rather than tackle that we are going to put the lights back on?![/p][/quote]Well said Living the La Vida Legra
  • Score: -1

6:32pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Living the La Vida Legra says...

jazbas wrote:
has essex council never heard of prevention is better than cure what will it take a murder stabbing mugging to convince them if some one was killed try explaining why they turned the lights off to thier families the is the thin edge of the wedge listen to the people you represent well at the least we can all look forward to a council tax refund i dont think so
Grow up!
[quote][p][bold]jazbas[/bold] wrote: has essex council never heard of prevention is better than cure what will it take a murder stabbing mugging to convince them if some one was killed try explaining why they turned the lights off to thier families the is the thin edge of the wedge listen to the people you represent well at the least we can all look forward to a council tax refund i dont think so[/p][/quote]Grow up! Living the La Vida Legra
  • Score: -4

6:36pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Living the La Vida Legra says...

I wish it happens in Leigh on sea
I wish it happens in Leigh on sea Living the La Vida Legra
  • Score: -5

6:37pm Thu 6 Mar 14

ThisYear says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
The 'spike' could be betrayed as a coincidence! There would have to be more coalition that just a 'spike' to prove a case...by which time the acquisition of carrots in the area will have become a rich mans vegetable, but still served up regularly at the fat council cats luncheons..
Have you taken your meds today?
Kim you are projecting again...not all people are on medication..I repeat, not all people are on medication..its not the norm deary, although you obviously think it is for the obvious reasons..
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: The 'spike' could be betrayed as a coincidence! There would have to be more coalition that just a 'spike' to prove a case...by which time the acquisition of carrots in the area will have become a rich mans vegetable, but still served up regularly at the fat council cats luncheons..[/p][/quote]Have you taken your meds today?[/p][/quote]Kim you are projecting again...not all people are on medication..I repeat, not all people are on medication..its not the norm deary, although you obviously think it is for the obvious reasons.. ThisYear
  • Score: 9

6:39pm Thu 6 Mar 14

ThisYear says...

heartbeat wrote:
Thank goodness Southend Council has thought better of turning off the lights and all the potential damage it could cause!

I wouldn't be surprised if councils have to make payouts to people (council tax payers at least) who can prove they've suffered damage of one sort or another through failure to make public areas as safe as possible. If a couple of high profile cases were awarded damages in court the floodgates could open!
You feel the council wouldn't have an obligation to pay out for people who can prove they suffer damage if they don't pay council tax...the paying of tax being the gateway?
[quote][p][bold]heartbeat[/bold] wrote: Thank goodness Southend Council has thought better of turning off the lights and all the potential damage it could cause! I wouldn't be surprised if councils have to make payouts to people (council tax payers at least) who can prove they've suffered damage of one sort or another through failure to make public areas as safe as possible. If a couple of high profile cases were awarded damages in court the floodgates could open![/p][/quote]You feel the council wouldn't have an obligation to pay out for people who can prove they suffer damage if they don't pay council tax...the paying of tax being the gateway? ThisYear
  • Score: 2

7:15pm Thu 6 Mar 14

_Lotus_ says...

Daveydoo wrote:
Once again a minority trying to cause problems, when you consider that 99% of the borough are tucked up in bed when the lights are off is it really such an issue
99%? Not sure where you live, but that is not the case.
[quote][p][bold]Daveydoo[/bold] wrote: Once again a minority trying to cause problems, when you consider that 99% of the borough are tucked up in bed when the lights are off is it really such an issue[/p][/quote]99%? Not sure where you live, but that is not the case. _Lotus_
  • Score: 4

7:51pm Thu 6 Mar 14

richardstanley1963 says...

Lights don't stop crime, I have them outside my front door and it didn't stop this from happening.
http://www.echo-news
.co.uk/news/11013092
.Disabled_man_forced
_villain_with_gun_ou
t_of_his_house/?acti
on=success
Crime happens if the lights are on or off anybody who thinks any different is deluded or has an agenda.
As a victim of crime that shows lights mean sfa I can talk from experience, how many here can say that ?.
Most of what I can see on here is nonsense from people that don't have a clue about life.
Lights don't stop crime, I have them outside my front door and it didn't stop this from happening. http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/11013092 .Disabled_man_forced _villain_with_gun_ou t_of_his_house/?acti on=success Crime happens if the lights are on or off anybody who thinks any different is deluded or has an agenda. As a victim of crime that shows lights mean sfa I can talk from experience, how many here can say that ?. Most of what I can see on here is nonsense from people that don't have a clue about life. richardstanley1963
  • Score: 0

8:32pm Thu 6 Mar 14

pendulum says...

Driving along Kiln Road at night is a danger now, you cannot see pedestrians or animals that cross over from the woods until it's too late, on a motorcycle you cannot see ice patches in the road or anything else until it's too late, how far you can see on a streetlit road is massively different to how far you can see without streetlights, to say it does not sacrifice safety is an absolute lie.
Driving along Kiln Road at night is a danger now, you cannot see pedestrians or animals that cross over from the woods until it's too late, on a motorcycle you cannot see ice patches in the road or anything else until it's too late, how far you can see on a streetlit road is massively different to how far you can see without streetlights, to say it does not sacrifice safety is an absolute lie. pendulum
  • Score: 11

10:13pm Thu 6 Mar 14

richardstanley1963 says...

Anybody that is not capable of driving without streetlights shouldn't have a license.
Large sections of the m25 has no lighting, same for the a12 and you would be stuffed if you had to drive from say basildon to maylandsea as you could only do it in daylight.

ffs I find it hard to believe that pendulums post isn't a joke, when in doubt drive slower and if it's dark use your lights as they must be working for you to be able to use the vehicle legally.

I have to assume that you want streetlights so you can drive at or above the speed limit and are incapable of driving slowly even if conditions demand it ?.
Anybody that is not capable of driving without streetlights shouldn't have a license. Large sections of the m25 has no lighting, same for the a12 and you would be stuffed if you had to drive from say basildon to maylandsea as you could only do it in daylight. ffs I find it hard to believe that pendulums post isn't a joke, when in doubt drive slower and if it's dark use your lights as they must be working for you to be able to use the vehicle legally. I have to assume that you want streetlights so you can drive at or above the speed limit and are incapable of driving slowly even if conditions demand it ?. richardstanley1963
  • Score: 3

10:56pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Southend Shoplifter says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma

kessense
wrote:
Lets see those crime figures, compared to the lit areas, because this seems like just another sour grape attempt, to thwart the street light switch off.
do pipe down.

As for your pseudonym (look it up in the dictionary), nothing you say makes sense.

The word on the street (and I know, having spent a lot of time talking to local people in the course of my activities) is that people are hacked off with the lights be ing off.

One man I spoke to the other day said he felt the need to remove all his work tools from his work van overnight every night because he simply cannot see the back doors of his van after the lights are off, not unless he keeps going out to look.

He cannot see his van properly from the property.

You are just a reactionary. You actually know nothing about any of the subjects discussed and you do nothing for your community so your comments are pointless.
Gandy at it again. And what do you do so great for your community? Moan at everyone and pi55 people off. Sounds like it. Okay, I admit, I'm not a great member of society. Im a criminal at the end of the day. But I'd rather be me then be looked upon as a 2 faced cow known as Kim Gandy. Anyway, the street light switch off don't bother me. Shops are shut between 12-5am. I'm fast asleep during those hours, dreaming of my next shoplift.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: Lets see those crime figures, compared to the lit areas, because this seems like just another sour grape attempt, to thwart the street light switch off.[/p][/quote]do pipe down. As for your pseudonym (look it up in the dictionary), nothing you say makes sense. The word on the street (and I know, having spent a lot of time talking to local people in the course of my activities) is that people are hacked off with the lights be ing off. One man I spoke to the other day said he felt the need to remove all his work tools from his work van overnight every night because he simply cannot see the back doors of his van after the lights are off, not unless he keeps going out to look. He cannot see his van properly from the property. You are just a reactionary. You actually know nothing about any of the subjects discussed and you do nothing for your community so your comments are pointless.[/p][/quote]Gandy at it again. And what do you do so great for your community? Moan at everyone and pi55 people off. Sounds like it. Okay, I admit, I'm not a great member of society. Im a criminal at the end of the day. But I'd rather be me then be looked upon as a 2 faced cow known as Kim Gandy. Anyway, the street light switch off don't bother me. Shops are shut between 12-5am. I'm fast asleep during those hours, dreaming of my next shoplift. Southend Shoplifter
  • Score: 2

12:53am Fri 7 Mar 14

KB Wickford says...

1) Interesting thought…. only the dodgy areas are still lit at night will this obvious highlight ruin chances of selling their homes?
2)
Anywhere not dodgy is likely to be wealthier so head on down there under cover of darkness and run away if the police come and even the copter cant find you woo hoo!
Maybe its quiet now… come christmas I see a helluva lot of reasons for the morally deficient to cruise by the obviously more wealthy areas with a great big pitch black flag waving over them!

Not to mention are our insurance rates going to go up as we are more at risk?

Met Rodney Bass once.. what a plonka! More interested with getting his picture on the paper wearing his pretty necklace, than the reason he was asked to attend ( opening of childrens play equipment ) he turned up in a huge car grinned for the camera and left IMMEDIATELY afterwards without even glancing at the equipment he wasnt even imnterested in the reason he was there…..… is that all he is good for?
Looks like it!
1) Interesting thought…. only the dodgy areas are still lit at night will this obvious highlight ruin chances of selling their homes? 2) Anywhere not dodgy is likely to be wealthier so head on down there under cover of darkness and run away if the police come and even the copter cant find you woo hoo! Maybe its quiet now… come christmas I see a helluva lot of reasons for the morally deficient to cruise by the obviously more wealthy areas with a great big pitch black flag waving over them! Not to mention are our insurance rates going to go up as we are more at risk? Met Rodney Bass once.. what a plonka! More interested with getting his picture on the paper wearing his pretty necklace, than the reason he was asked to attend ( opening of childrens play equipment ) he turned up in a huge car grinned for the camera and left IMMEDIATELY afterwards without even glancing at the equipment he wasnt even imnterested in the reason he was there…..… is that all he is good for? Looks like it! KB Wickford
  • Score: 7

7:49am Fri 7 Mar 14

kpbutnotthenut. says...

25 years living here,no problems.Darkness for 8 days,white spray paint symbols on lawn and pavement targeting my house,enough said.
25 years living here,no problems.Darkness for 8 days,white spray paint symbols on lawn and pavement targeting my house,enough said. kpbutnotthenut.
  • Score: 9

12:16pm Fri 7 Mar 14

exBillericayDicky says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma kessense wrote: Lets see those crime figures, compared to the lit areas, because this seems like just another sour grape attempt, to thwart the street light switch off.
do pipe down. As for your pseudonym (look it up in the dictionary), nothing you say makes sense. The word on the street (and I know, having spent a lot of time talking to local people in the course of my activities) is that people are hacked off with the lights be ing off. One man I spoke to the other day said he felt the need to remove all his work tools from his work van overnight every night because he simply cannot see the back doors of his van after the lights are off, not unless he keeps going out to look. He cannot see his van properly from the property. You are just a reactionary. You actually know nothing about any of the subjects discussed and you do nothing for your community so your comments are pointless.
Can't see what the issue is with asking for a comparison of crime stats.
Kim, you are quite the reactionary knee jerk poster too.

As for the van owner, where does he park? on the road or a driveway? If he is constantly loading/unloading his van, any local scrote will know this and look to a chance theft at a time the van is loaded. Also, leaving tools in a van overnight should be coverd by his buisness insurance.

Why not put a sensor light up of his own covering the van? Or perhaps CCTV to monitor it? Wither way there are better ways to get a van monitored than having the taxpayer foot the bill (that is of course an over exageration of the case, and highlights an extreme pov)
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: Lets see those crime figures, compared to the lit areas, because this seems like just another sour grape attempt, to thwart the street light switch off.[/p][/quote]do pipe down. As for your pseudonym (look it up in the dictionary), nothing you say makes sense. The word on the street (and I know, having spent a lot of time talking to local people in the course of my activities) is that people are hacked off with the lights be ing off. One man I spoke to the other day said he felt the need to remove all his work tools from his work van overnight every night because he simply cannot see the back doors of his van after the lights are off, not unless he keeps going out to look. He cannot see his van properly from the property. You are just a reactionary. You actually know nothing about any of the subjects discussed and you do nothing for your community so your comments are pointless.[/p][/quote]Can't see what the issue is with asking for a comparison of crime stats. Kim, you are quite the reactionary knee jerk poster too. As for the van owner, where does he park? on the road or a driveway? If he is constantly loading/unloading his van, any local scrote will know this and look to a chance theft at a time the van is loaded. Also, leaving tools in a van overnight should be coverd by his buisness insurance. Why not put a sensor light up of his own covering the van? Or perhaps CCTV to monitor it? Wither way there are better ways to get a van monitored than having the taxpayer foot the bill (that is of course an over exageration of the case, and highlights an extreme pov) exBillericayDicky
  • Score: 1

12:20pm Fri 7 Mar 14

exBillericayDicky says...

richardstanley1963 wrote:
Anybody that is not capable of driving without streetlights shouldn't have a license. Large sections of the m25 has no lighting, same for the a12 and you would be stuffed if you had to drive from say basildon to maylandsea as you could only do it in daylight. ffs I find it hard to believe that pendulums post isn't a joke, when in doubt drive slower and if it's dark use your lights as they must be working for you to be able to use the vehicle legally. I have to assume that you want streetlights so you can drive at or above the speed limit and are incapable of driving slowly even if conditions demand it ?.
Have said this a couple of weeks ago on this very issue, Always drive to the conditions and also, if it's dark don't look at the edge of the pool of light emitted by the car/5 foot in front of the car/bike, look further UP the road as Advanced driving instructs, the further you look the better chance you have to see something (be it dark or light)

Pools of street lights actually do not help your eyes as they cannot adjust properly to constant changing through light/dark/light.
[quote][p][bold]richardstanley1963[/bold] wrote: Anybody that is not capable of driving without streetlights shouldn't have a license. Large sections of the m25 has no lighting, same for the a12 and you would be stuffed if you had to drive from say basildon to maylandsea as you could only do it in daylight. ffs I find it hard to believe that pendulums post isn't a joke, when in doubt drive slower and if it's dark use your lights as they must be working for you to be able to use the vehicle legally. I have to assume that you want streetlights so you can drive at or above the speed limit and are incapable of driving slowly even if conditions demand it ?.[/p][/quote]Have said this a couple of weeks ago on this very issue, Always drive to the conditions and also, if it's dark don't look at the edge of the pool of light emitted by the car/5 foot in front of the car/bike, look further UP the road as Advanced driving instructs, the further you look the better chance you have to see something (be it dark or light) Pools of street lights actually do not help your eyes as they cannot adjust properly to constant changing through light/dark/light. exBillericayDicky
  • Score: -1

2:48pm Fri 7 Mar 14

CHRISTMAS CAROL says...

I hate it .I had to drive at 4am the other morning and it was quite disconcerting Dont like it at all and feel sorry for the people working or coming home from work. Bring back light
I hate it .I had to drive at 4am the other morning and it was quite disconcerting Dont like it at all and feel sorry for the people working or coming home from work. Bring back light CHRISTMAS CAROL
  • Score: 3

8:12pm Fri 7 Mar 14

_Lotus_ says...

richardstanley1963 wrote:
Anybody that is not capable of driving without streetlights shouldn't have a license.
Large sections of the m25 has no lighting, same for the a12 and you would be stuffed if you had to drive from say basildon to maylandsea as you could only do it in daylight.

ffs I find it hard to believe that pendulums post isn't a joke, when in doubt drive slower and if it's dark use your lights as they must be working for you to be able to use the vehicle legally.

I have to assume that you want streetlights so you can drive at or above the speed limit and are incapable of driving slowly even if conditions demand it ?.
No streetlights, isn't all about driving, it is also about pedestrians.

Just because it is after midnight and before 5am doesn't mean there is nobody walking about out there, some people are coming home or going to work during those hours.

Despite what the same few on here say on this matter - between the hours of midnight and 5am, does not mean that virtually all of the population is in bed.
[quote][p][bold]richardstanley1963[/bold] wrote: Anybody that is not capable of driving without streetlights shouldn't have a license. Large sections of the m25 has no lighting, same for the a12 and you would be stuffed if you had to drive from say basildon to maylandsea as you could only do it in daylight. ffs I find it hard to believe that pendulums post isn't a joke, when in doubt drive slower and if it's dark use your lights as they must be working for you to be able to use the vehicle legally. I have to assume that you want streetlights so you can drive at or above the speed limit and are incapable of driving slowly even if conditions demand it ?.[/p][/quote]No streetlights, isn't all about driving, it is also about pedestrians. Just because it is after midnight and before 5am doesn't mean there is nobody walking about out there, some people are coming home or going to work during those hours. Despite what the same few on here say on this matter - between the hours of midnight and 5am, does not mean that virtually all of the population is in bed. _Lotus_
  • Score: 5

11:21pm Fri 7 Mar 14

woolstone says...

Will the pot holes be filled up with the money saved I don't think so. Now they are more dangerous at night as we have no street lights to see them before cars and pedestrians fall down them. Southend has their lights on, so why can't the rest of us?
Will the pot holes be filled up with the money saved I don't think so. Now they are more dangerous at night as we have no street lights to see them before cars and pedestrians fall down them. Southend has their lights on, so why can't the rest of us? woolstone
  • Score: 9

6:30am Sat 8 Mar 14

richardstanley1963 says...

woolstone wrote:
Will the pot holes be filled up with the money saved I don't think so. Now they are more dangerous at night as we have no street lights to see them before cars and pedestrians fall down them. Southend has their lights on, so why can't the rest of us?
I can't believe i'm reading this ?.

DRIVE SLOWER IF VISIBILITY IS POOR !!!

This is like a load of children stamping their feet because things are not going the way they want,

As it seems some people are unaware of the highway code rule 226 states
"You MUST use headlights when visibility is seriously reduced, generally when you cannot see for more than 100 metres (328 feet)",

It is in the poor weather section as even the penpushers assume some common sense from drivers in poor visibility but i'm not seeing it in this thread.

How did we ever survive as a race when it seems people cannot make their way around in the dark like their ancestors !!!.
[quote][p][bold]woolstone[/bold] wrote: Will the pot holes be filled up with the money saved I don't think so. Now they are more dangerous at night as we have no street lights to see them before cars and pedestrians fall down them. Southend has their lights on, so why can't the rest of us?[/p][/quote]I can't believe i'm reading this ?. DRIVE SLOWER IF VISIBILITY IS POOR !!! This is like a load of children stamping their feet because things are not going the way they want, As it seems some people are unaware of the highway code rule 226 states "You MUST use headlights when visibility is seriously reduced, generally when you cannot see for more than 100 metres (328 feet)", It is in the poor weather section as even the penpushers assume some common sense from drivers in poor visibility but i'm not seeing it in this thread. How did we ever survive as a race when it seems people cannot make their way around in the dark like their ancestors !!!. richardstanley1963
  • Score: -2

9:20am Sat 8 Mar 14

Silver linings says...

cg1blue wrote:
Silver linings wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma kessense wrote: Lets see those crime figures, compared to the lit areas, because this seems like just another sour grape attempt, to thwart the street light switch off.
Absolutely. Perhaps instead of wasting time fighting what is a good idea they should get involved in this https://www.facebook .com/WattylePlanetar ium The lights being off isn't the problem. Complaint - It's dark, people can't see where they are going and are more at risk of accidents - Have these people never heard of torches and light coloured clothing? Complaint - People walking along roads late at night have been knocked down, if we turn the lights off it will get worse - In the incident I am aware of it was the early hours of the morning and the person had large amounts of alcohol in their body. Oh, and the lights were on when it happened. Having the lights on doesn't stop people doing stupid things that risk their safety. Complaint - Dark is scary - Grow up! Dark isn't scary, it's what is meant to happen at night. Complaint - Crime will go up. - So what you are saying is, because this is Basildon we are going to accept that there are people with no morals and rather than tackle that we are going to put the lights back on?!
So how quickly do you think we can rid the town of burglars and muggers and people with no morals? 1 week.....1 month...20 years?
So you think it's better to give those people the cover of darkness to carry out their 'night work' while we wait for a solution to the problems with an entire generation?
Clearly this lights off policy doesn't affect you, and you are seriously lacking empathy.
As I said, just because this is Basildon we should not accept that the minority will use the darkness. The lack of light is not the cause of the problem. The problem was there before the light and would continue if the lights were switched back on. The problem needs tackling at the root, i.e. a much harder line on anyone caught and much more done to catch those who carry out the crimes. If my children break the rules I don't make it harder for them to do so, I punish the rule breaking.
And yes, it does affect me. I live in Basildon. Basildon has a poor reputation that is not entirely deserved. I am not born and bred, I was not entirely comfortable with living here to start with but have come to really appreciate it. The majority are law abiding, polite, friendly people and I don't think we should just put up with the bad sides because in doing so we are playing a part in perpetuating the myths. Things have improved in the last 10 years and I sincerely hope they continue to do so. I want my children to be proud of their home town not grow up to be embarrassed about where they come from.
[quote][p][bold]cg1blue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Silver linings[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: Lets see those crime figures, compared to the lit areas, because this seems like just another sour grape attempt, to thwart the street light switch off.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. Perhaps instead of wasting time fighting what is a good idea they should get involved in this https://www.facebook .com/WattylePlanetar ium The lights being off isn't the problem. Complaint - It's dark, people can't see where they are going and are more at risk of accidents - Have these people never heard of torches and light coloured clothing? Complaint - People walking along roads late at night have been knocked down, if we turn the lights off it will get worse - In the incident I am aware of it was the early hours of the morning and the person had large amounts of alcohol in their body. Oh, and the lights were on when it happened. Having the lights on doesn't stop people doing stupid things that risk their safety. Complaint - Dark is scary - Grow up! Dark isn't scary, it's what is meant to happen at night. Complaint - Crime will go up. - So what you are saying is, because this is Basildon we are going to accept that there are people with no morals and rather than tackle that we are going to put the lights back on?![/p][/quote]So how quickly do you think we can rid the town of burglars and muggers and people with no morals? 1 week.....1 month...20 years? So you think it's better to give those people the cover of darkness to carry out their 'night work' while we wait for a solution to the problems with an entire generation? Clearly this lights off policy doesn't affect you, and you are seriously lacking empathy.[/p][/quote]As I said, just because this is Basildon we should not accept that the minority will use the darkness. The lack of light is not the cause of the problem. The problem was there before the light and would continue if the lights were switched back on. The problem needs tackling at the root, i.e. a much harder line on anyone caught and much more done to catch those who carry out the crimes. If my children break the rules I don't make it harder for them to do so, I punish the rule breaking. And yes, it does affect me. I live in Basildon. Basildon has a poor reputation that is not entirely deserved. I am not born and bred, I was not entirely comfortable with living here to start with but have come to really appreciate it. The majority are law abiding, polite, friendly people and I don't think we should just put up with the bad sides because in doing so we are playing a part in perpetuating the myths. Things have improved in the last 10 years and I sincerely hope they continue to do so. I want my children to be proud of their home town not grow up to be embarrassed about where they come from. Silver linings
  • Score: 2

2:21pm Sat 8 Mar 14

ThisYear says...

woolstone wrote:
Will the pot holes be filled up with the money saved I don't think so. Now they are more dangerous at night as we have no street lights to see them before cars and pedestrians fall down them. Southend has their lights on, so why can't the rest of us?
Bit of extra cash in the council coffers?...perhaps a clothing grant for councillors is on the books..can't have spare money sloshing about not earning interest.
[quote][p][bold]woolstone[/bold] wrote: Will the pot holes be filled up with the money saved I don't think so. Now they are more dangerous at night as we have no street lights to see them before cars and pedestrians fall down them. Southend has their lights on, so why can't the rest of us?[/p][/quote]Bit of extra cash in the council coffers?...perhaps a clothing grant for councillors is on the books..can't have spare money sloshing about not earning interest. ThisYear
  • Score: -1

5:01pm Sat 8 Mar 14

woolstone says...

I take it richardstanley1963 has driven at night with no street lights on and has exceptionally good eyesight and very strong head lights and sees every pothole in Rayleigh, so how about the pedestrian should they wear head torches so they can see the potholes. I am too busy watching people in dark clothing that appear from nowhere to cross the roads. Having no street lights on is dangerous in some areas will it take a death or serious injury before idiots realise this.
I take it richardstanley1963 has driven at night with no street lights on and has exceptionally good eyesight and very strong head lights and sees every pothole in Rayleigh, so how about the pedestrian should they wear head torches so they can see the potholes. I am too busy watching people in dark clothing that appear from nowhere to cross the roads. Having no street lights on is dangerous in some areas will it take a death or serious injury before idiots realise this. woolstone
  • Score: 4

6:22pm Sat 8 Mar 14

Silver linings says...

woolstone wrote:
I take it richardstanley1963 has driven at night with no street lights on and has exceptionally good eyesight and very strong head lights and sees every pothole in Rayleigh, so how about the pedestrian should they wear head torches so they can see the potholes. I am too busy watching people in dark clothing that appear from nowhere to cross the roads. Having no street lights on is dangerous in some areas will it take a death or serious injury before idiots realise this.
The idiots are the ones wearing dark clothing, or not carrying torches if they are out when it is dark.

I grew up in an area that had poor road repairs and no night lighting at all. If you drive at a speed suitable to the road and level of light then it's easily avoidable. That doesn't mean that potholes shouldn't be fixed though. They should, and those who come across them should alert the council to them so they are aware they need fixing.
[quote][p][bold]woolstone[/bold] wrote: I take it richardstanley1963 has driven at night with no street lights on and has exceptionally good eyesight and very strong head lights and sees every pothole in Rayleigh, so how about the pedestrian should they wear head torches so they can see the potholes. I am too busy watching people in dark clothing that appear from nowhere to cross the roads. Having no street lights on is dangerous in some areas will it take a death or serious injury before idiots realise this.[/p][/quote]The idiots are the ones wearing dark clothing, or not carrying torches if they are out when it is dark. I grew up in an area that had poor road repairs and no night lighting at all. If you drive at a speed suitable to the road and level of light then it's easily avoidable. That doesn't mean that potholes shouldn't be fixed though. They should, and those who come across them should alert the council to them so they are aware they need fixing. Silver linings
  • Score: 0

7:58pm Sat 8 Mar 14

richardstanley1963 says...

woolstone wrote:
I take it richardstanley1963 has driven at night with no street lights on and has exceptionally good eyesight and very strong head lights and sees every pothole in Rayleigh, so how about the pedestrian should they wear head torches so they can see the potholes. I am too busy watching people in dark clothing that appear from nowhere to cross the roads. Having no street lights on is dangerous in some areas will it take a death or serious injury before idiots realise this.
Pot holes are not fixed by lighting so I am lost as to what you are talking about, are you making it up as you go along ???

If potholes are a problem complain about them.

You should be asking for the potholes to be fixed not lights so you can avoid them.

Your logic is skewed if you believe that potholes will be fixed by lighting.

If you drive at a reasonable speed then you can see anybody if they are wearing dark or light clothing. you do not need special vision if you drive at a reasonable speed.

My headlights are what the law requires nothing special at all.

I have to wonder if some of the posters on here even hold a driving license as the basics such as drive to the road conditions appear to be lacking.
[quote][p][bold]woolstone[/bold] wrote: I take it richardstanley1963 has driven at night with no street lights on and has exceptionally good eyesight and very strong head lights and sees every pothole in Rayleigh, so how about the pedestrian should they wear head torches so they can see the potholes. I am too busy watching people in dark clothing that appear from nowhere to cross the roads. Having no street lights on is dangerous in some areas will it take a death or serious injury before idiots realise this.[/p][/quote]Pot holes are not fixed by lighting so I am lost as to what you are talking about, are you making it up as you go along ??? If potholes are a problem complain about them. You should be asking for the potholes to be fixed not lights so you can avoid them. Your logic is skewed if you believe that potholes will be fixed by lighting. If you drive at a reasonable speed then you can see anybody if they are wearing dark or light clothing. you do not need special vision if you drive at a reasonable speed. My headlights are what the law requires nothing special at all. I have to wonder if some of the posters on here even hold a driving license as the basics such as drive to the road conditions appear to be lacking. richardstanley1963
  • Score: -1

11:01pm Sat 8 Mar 14

Living the La Vida Legra says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
LinfordsLunchbox wrote:
The pavements arent looked after enough to switch streetlights off
Excellent point.
Lol, Google- Kim gandy= enjoy
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LinfordsLunchbox[/bold] wrote: The pavements arent looked after enough to switch streetlights off[/p][/quote]Excellent point.[/p][/quote]Lol, Google- Kim gandy= enjoy Living the La Vida Legra
  • Score: 0

11:20pm Sat 8 Mar 14

Mumfie says...

The decision by Essex County Council to turn off street lighting is wrong for so many reasons and must be reversed as soon as possible.

Not only because street lighting makes people feel safer in their surroundings and is probably more of a deterrent to criminals, but because it is vital to those people who are out either on foot, or travelling by vehicle, at night. The London Underground is soon to run 24 hours a day. There will be more people on roads travelling late at night from train stations.

The current state of the roads in the county is diabolical to put it mildly. Road defects such as numerous potholes, which the Council seem to take an eternity to have repaired, and that cause damage to vehicles and danger to the public when people swerve to avoid them, or the knock-on effect that this has when damaging a vehicle. Potholes are bad enough to avoid during daylight. Can you imagine hitting one at night in virtual darkness? The council are also careless in the maintenance of white lining. This is vital, especially in wet and/or foggy conditions. Imagine if there had been no lighting in the recent storms, with trees and debris blown across the roads? It doesn't bare thinking about.

Then think of the emergency services and how they would cope at the scene of an emergency if it were dark? Waiting for satisfactory lighting to arrive could cost lives. It would make the jobs of these services a lot more difficult.

Then there is the knock-on effect of businesses who are open for 24 hours. People would possibly not use these when it is pitch black everywhere. This would then lead to job cuts.

To save a few pounds, Essex Council, who squandered over £1.5 million on un-essential things last year, according to Essex County Standard, would rather switch off street lights, than save lives.

Local councils have opposed this move by Essex County Council to my knowledge. It is about time that Essex County Council paid attention to the wants of the people. If they don't, then they can kiss goodbye to any power now held at the next council elections.

Good on Basildon Council for threatening to sue Essex County Council, and I hope they carry the threat through, or, at least get an injunction to force Essex CC to switch them back on. Nearly everybody I have spoken too feels this is outrageous and a pathetic attempt to screw more money out of the public. We are STILL paying for the electricity for street lighting, irrespective of whether it is turned on or off. That is THEFT in my opinion. We are paying for a service we are not getting. This ridiculous scheme is being rolled out all over the country, by people who lack common sense and are totally out of touch with general society. In these days where one is more aware of Health and Safety issues being rammed down our throats at times, this makes these County Councils decisions even more bizarre.

Street lights are there for a reason. If they are costing too much to run (and using carbon footprints as an excuse is deplorable... I wonder what the personal carbon footprints of those who make these decisions are?) then invest in LED lighting, which is a lot cheaper to run and maintain, lasts a lot longer, and gives a more powerful brighter light than the yellow street lamps, as being rolled out in Glasgow for example. If they can afford to install them, then so can we. OK. It may cost a few bob initially, but the long term benefits and savings are enormous.

Please sign this petition and ask your friends, neighbours and family to do the same. Thank you. It will only take around 30 seconds.
http://www.change.or
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The decision by Essex County Council to turn off street lighting is wrong for so many reasons and must be reversed as soon as possible. Not only because street lighting makes people feel safer in their surroundings and is probably more of a deterrent to criminals, but because it is vital to those people who are out either on foot, or travelling by vehicle, at night. The London Underground is soon to run 24 hours a day. There will be more people on roads travelling late at night from train stations. The current state of the roads in the county is diabolical to put it mildly. Road defects such as numerous potholes, which the Council seem to take an eternity to have repaired, and that cause damage to vehicles and danger to the public when people swerve to avoid them, or the knock-on effect that this has when damaging a vehicle. Potholes are bad enough to avoid during daylight. Can you imagine hitting one at night in virtual darkness? The council are also careless in the maintenance of white lining. This is vital, especially in wet and/or foggy conditions. Imagine if there had been no lighting in the recent storms, with trees and debris blown across the roads? It doesn't bare thinking about. Then think of the emergency services and how they would cope at the scene of an emergency if it were dark? Waiting for satisfactory lighting to arrive could cost lives. It would make the jobs of these services a lot more difficult. Then there is the knock-on effect of businesses who are open for 24 hours. People would possibly not use these when it is pitch black everywhere. This would then lead to job cuts. To save a few pounds, Essex Council, who squandered over £1.5 million on un-essential things last year, according to Essex County Standard, would rather switch off street lights, than save lives. Local councils have opposed this move by Essex County Council to my knowledge. It is about time that Essex County Council paid attention to the wants of the people. If they don't, then they can kiss goodbye to any power now held at the next council elections. Good on Basildon Council for threatening to sue Essex County Council, and I hope they carry the threat through, or, at least get an injunction to force Essex CC to switch them back on. Nearly everybody I have spoken too feels this is outrageous and a pathetic attempt to screw more money out of the public. We are STILL paying for the electricity for street lighting, irrespective of whether it is turned on or off. That is THEFT in my opinion. We are paying for a service we are not getting. This ridiculous scheme is being rolled out all over the country, by people who lack common sense and are totally out of touch with general society. In these days where one is more aware of Health and Safety issues being rammed down our throats at times, this makes these County Councils decisions even more bizarre. Street lights are there for a reason. If they are costing too much to run (and using carbon footprints as an excuse is deplorable... I wonder what the personal carbon footprints of those who make these decisions are?) then invest in LED lighting, which is a lot cheaper to run and maintain, lasts a lot longer, and gives a more powerful brighter light than the yellow street lamps, as being rolled out in Glasgow for example. If they can afford to install them, then so can we. OK. It may cost a few bob initially, but the long term benefits and savings are enormous. Please sign this petition and ask your friends, neighbours and family to do the same. Thank you. It will only take around 30 seconds. http://www.change.or g/petitions/essex-co unty-council-turn-on -street-lighting-bet ween-the-hours-of-12 -00am-and-5-00am Mumfie
  • Score: 1

11:20pm Sat 8 Mar 14

Mumfie says...

The decision by Essex County Council to turn off street lighting is wrong for so many reasons and must be reversed as soon as possible.

Not only because street lighting makes people feel safer in their surroundings and is probably more of a deterrent to criminals, but because it is vital to those people who are out either on foot, or travelling by vehicle, at night. The London Underground is soon to run 24 hours a day. There will be more people on roads travelling late at night from train stations.

The current state of the roads in the county is diabolical to put it mildly. Road defects such as numerous potholes, which the Council seem to take an eternity to have repaired, and that cause damage to vehicles and danger to the public when people swerve to avoid them, or the knock-on effect that this has when damaging a vehicle. Potholes are bad enough to avoid during daylight. Can you imagine hitting one at night in virtual darkness? The council are also careless in the maintenance of white lining. This is vital, especially in wet and/or foggy conditions. Imagine if there had been no lighting in the recent storms, with trees and debris blown across the roads? It doesn't bare thinking about.

Then think of the emergency services and how they would cope at the scene of an emergency if it were dark? Waiting for satisfactory lighting to arrive could cost lives. It would make the jobs of these services a lot more difficult.

Then there is the knock-on effect of businesses who are open for 24 hours. People would possibly not use these when it is pitch black everywhere. This would then lead to job cuts.

To save a few pounds, Essex Council, who squandered over £1.5 million on un-essential things last year, according to Essex County Standard, would rather switch off street lights, than save lives.

Local councils have opposed this move by Essex County Council to my knowledge. It is about time that Essex County Council paid attention to the wants of the people. If they don't, then they can kiss goodbye to any power now held at the next council elections.

Good on Basildon Council for threatening to sue Essex County Council, and I hope they carry the threat through, or, at least get an injunction to force Essex CC to switch them back on. Nearly everybody I have spoken too feels this is outrageous and a pathetic attempt to screw more money out of the public. We are STILL paying for the electricity for street lighting, irrespective of whether it is turned on or off. That is THEFT in my opinion. We are paying for a service we are not getting. This ridiculous scheme is being rolled out all over the country, by people who lack common sense and are totally out of touch with general society. In these days where one is more aware of Health and Safety issues being rammed down our throats at times, this makes these County Councils decisions even more bizarre.

Street lights are there for a reason. If they are costing too much to run (and using carbon footprints as an excuse is deplorable... I wonder what the personal carbon footprints of those who make these decisions are?) then invest in LED lighting, which is a lot cheaper to run and maintain, lasts a lot longer, and gives a more powerful brighter light than the yellow street lamps, as being rolled out in Glasgow for example. If they can afford to install them, then so can we. OK. It may cost a few bob initially, but the long term benefits and savings are enormous.

Please sign this petition and ask your friends, neighbours and family to do the same. Thank you. It will only take around 30 seconds.
http://www.change.or
g/petitions/essex-co
unty-council-turn-on
-street-lighting-bet
ween-the-hours-of-12
-00am-and-5-00am
The decision by Essex County Council to turn off street lighting is wrong for so many reasons and must be reversed as soon as possible. Not only because street lighting makes people feel safer in their surroundings and is probably more of a deterrent to criminals, but because it is vital to those people who are out either on foot, or travelling by vehicle, at night. The London Underground is soon to run 24 hours a day. There will be more people on roads travelling late at night from train stations. The current state of the roads in the county is diabolical to put it mildly. Road defects such as numerous potholes, which the Council seem to take an eternity to have repaired, and that cause damage to vehicles and danger to the public when people swerve to avoid them, or the knock-on effect that this has when damaging a vehicle. Potholes are bad enough to avoid during daylight. Can you imagine hitting one at night in virtual darkness? The council are also careless in the maintenance of white lining. This is vital, especially in wet and/or foggy conditions. Imagine if there had been no lighting in the recent storms, with trees and debris blown across the roads? It doesn't bare thinking about. Then think of the emergency services and how they would cope at the scene of an emergency if it were dark? Waiting for satisfactory lighting to arrive could cost lives. It would make the jobs of these services a lot more difficult. Then there is the knock-on effect of businesses who are open for 24 hours. People would possibly not use these when it is pitch black everywhere. This would then lead to job cuts. To save a few pounds, Essex Council, who squandered over £1.5 million on un-essential things last year, according to Essex County Standard, would rather switch off street lights, than save lives. Local councils have opposed this move by Essex County Council to my knowledge. It is about time that Essex County Council paid attention to the wants of the people. If they don't, then they can kiss goodbye to any power now held at the next council elections. Good on Basildon Council for threatening to sue Essex County Council, and I hope they carry the threat through, or, at least get an injunction to force Essex CC to switch them back on. Nearly everybody I have spoken too feels this is outrageous and a pathetic attempt to screw more money out of the public. We are STILL paying for the electricity for street lighting, irrespective of whether it is turned on or off. That is THEFT in my opinion. We are paying for a service we are not getting. This ridiculous scheme is being rolled out all over the country, by people who lack common sense and are totally out of touch with general society. In these days where one is more aware of Health and Safety issues being rammed down our throats at times, this makes these County Councils decisions even more bizarre. Street lights are there for a reason. If they are costing too much to run (and using carbon footprints as an excuse is deplorable... I wonder what the personal carbon footprints of those who make these decisions are?) then invest in LED lighting, which is a lot cheaper to run and maintain, lasts a lot longer, and gives a more powerful brighter light than the yellow street lamps, as being rolled out in Glasgow for example. If they can afford to install them, then so can we. OK. It may cost a few bob initially, but the long term benefits and savings are enormous. Please sign this petition and ask your friends, neighbours and family to do the same. Thank you. It will only take around 30 seconds. http://www.change.or g/petitions/essex-co unty-council-turn-on -street-lighting-bet ween-the-hours-of-12 -00am-and-5-00am Mumfie
  • Score: 0

7:27am Sun 9 Mar 14

Ollieoll1985 says...

In a town there are shift workers who finish and start all hours of the night to provide us joe public with a service. Be it hospital, supermarket, or petrol garage. These people have to get around during these hours, take a torch you say but that just highlights you to potential harm, and gives you a limited view. Uneven foot path and steps are hazardous in broad daylight. Then you have people who drive for a profession imagine the strain on your eyes, and for taxi drivers trying to find your door number. Yeah they can take a torch but people will soon moan that is dangerous they are not concentrating on driving. But its still a service we require. I live in Vange its very dark with many alleyways so before midnight it can sometimes be difficult to see, but after midnight now you can't see you hand before your face, and unfortunately for us we have hadan incident.....but also how are the police meant to search for these individuals who do commit crimes under the cover of darkness, the police helicopter wil have to go up more frequently
In a town there are shift workers who finish and start all hours of the night to provide us joe public with a service. Be it hospital, supermarket, or petrol garage. These people have to get around during these hours, take a torch you say but that just highlights you to potential harm, and gives you a limited view. Uneven foot path and steps are hazardous in broad daylight. Then you have people who drive for a profession imagine the strain on your eyes, and for taxi drivers trying to find your door number. Yeah they can take a torch but people will soon moan that is dangerous they are not concentrating on driving. But its still a service we require. I live in Vange its very dark with many alleyways so before midnight it can sometimes be difficult to see, but after midnight now you can't see you hand before your face, and unfortunately for us we have hadan incident.....but also how are the police meant to search for these individuals who do commit crimes under the cover of darkness, the police helicopter wil have to go up more frequently Ollieoll1985
  • Score: 6

10:50pm Sun 9 Mar 14

No1 Shoplifter says...

Mumfie wrote:
The decision by Essex County Council to turn off street lighting is wrong for so many reasons and must be reversed as soon as possible.

Not only because street lighting makes people feel safer in their surroundings and is probably more of a deterrent to criminals, but because it is vital to those people who are out either on foot, or travelling by vehicle, at night. The London Underground is soon to run 24 hours a day. There will be more people on roads travelling late at night from train stations.

The current state of the roads in the county is diabolical to put it mildly. Road defects such as numerous potholes, which the Council seem to take an eternity to have repaired, and that cause damage to vehicles and danger to the public when people swerve to avoid them, or the knock-on effect that this has when damaging a vehicle. Potholes are bad enough to avoid during daylight. Can you imagine hitting one at night in virtual darkness? The council are also careless in the maintenance of white lining. This is vital, especially in wet and/or foggy conditions. Imagine if there had been no lighting in the recent storms, with trees and debris blown across the roads? It doesn't bare thinking about.

Then think of the emergency services and how they would cope at the scene of an emergency if it were dark? Waiting for satisfactory lighting to arrive could cost lives. It would make the jobs of these services a lot more difficult.

Then there is the knock-on effect of businesses who are open for 24 hours. People would possibly not use these when it is pitch black everywhere. This would then lead to job cuts.

To save a few pounds, Essex Council, who squandered over £1.5 million on un-essential things last year, according to Essex County Standard, would rather switch off street lights, than save lives.

Local councils have opposed this move by Essex County Council to my knowledge. It is about time that Essex County Council paid attention to the wants of the people. If they don't, then they can kiss goodbye to any power now held at the next council elections.

Good on Basildon Council for threatening to sue Essex County Council, and I hope they carry the threat through, or, at least get an injunction to force Essex CC to switch them back on. Nearly everybody I have spoken too feels this is outrageous and a pathetic attempt to screw more money out of the public. We are STILL paying for the electricity for street lighting, irrespective of whether it is turned on or off. That is THEFT in my opinion. We are paying for a service we are not getting. This ridiculous scheme is being rolled out all over the country, by people who lack common sense and are totally out of touch with general society. In these days where one is more aware of Health and Safety issues being rammed down our throats at times, this makes these County Councils decisions even more bizarre.

Street lights are there for a reason. If they are costing too much to run (and using carbon footprints as an excuse is deplorable... I wonder what the personal carbon footprints of those who make these decisions are?) then invest in LED lighting, which is a lot cheaper to run and maintain, lasts a lot longer, and gives a more powerful brighter light than the yellow street lamps, as being rolled out in Glasgow for example. If they can afford to install them, then so can we. OK. It may cost a few bob initially, but the long term benefits and savings are enormous.

Please sign this petition and ask your friends, neighbours and family to do the same. Thank you. It will only take around 30 seconds.
http://www.change.or

g/petitions/essex-co

unty-council-turn-on

-street-lighting-bet

ween-the-hours-of-12

-00am-and-5-00am
Im in bed between 12-5am so I couldn't give a sh1t.
[quote][p][bold]Mumfie[/bold] wrote: The decision by Essex County Council to turn off street lighting is wrong for so many reasons and must be reversed as soon as possible. Not only because street lighting makes people feel safer in their surroundings and is probably more of a deterrent to criminals, but because it is vital to those people who are out either on foot, or travelling by vehicle, at night. The London Underground is soon to run 24 hours a day. There will be more people on roads travelling late at night from train stations. The current state of the roads in the county is diabolical to put it mildly. Road defects such as numerous potholes, which the Council seem to take an eternity to have repaired, and that cause damage to vehicles and danger to the public when people swerve to avoid them, or the knock-on effect that this has when damaging a vehicle. Potholes are bad enough to avoid during daylight. Can you imagine hitting one at night in virtual darkness? The council are also careless in the maintenance of white lining. This is vital, especially in wet and/or foggy conditions. Imagine if there had been no lighting in the recent storms, with trees and debris blown across the roads? It doesn't bare thinking about. Then think of the emergency services and how they would cope at the scene of an emergency if it were dark? Waiting for satisfactory lighting to arrive could cost lives. It would make the jobs of these services a lot more difficult. Then there is the knock-on effect of businesses who are open for 24 hours. People would possibly not use these when it is pitch black everywhere. This would then lead to job cuts. To save a few pounds, Essex Council, who squandered over £1.5 million on un-essential things last year, according to Essex County Standard, would rather switch off street lights, than save lives. Local councils have opposed this move by Essex County Council to my knowledge. It is about time that Essex County Council paid attention to the wants of the people. If they don't, then they can kiss goodbye to any power now held at the next council elections. Good on Basildon Council for threatening to sue Essex County Council, and I hope they carry the threat through, or, at least get an injunction to force Essex CC to switch them back on. Nearly everybody I have spoken too feels this is outrageous and a pathetic attempt to screw more money out of the public. We are STILL paying for the electricity for street lighting, irrespective of whether it is turned on or off. That is THEFT in my opinion. We are paying for a service we are not getting. This ridiculous scheme is being rolled out all over the country, by people who lack common sense and are totally out of touch with general society. In these days where one is more aware of Health and Safety issues being rammed down our throats at times, this makes these County Councils decisions even more bizarre. Street lights are there for a reason. If they are costing too much to run (and using carbon footprints as an excuse is deplorable... I wonder what the personal carbon footprints of those who make these decisions are?) then invest in LED lighting, which is a lot cheaper to run and maintain, lasts a lot longer, and gives a more powerful brighter light than the yellow street lamps, as being rolled out in Glasgow for example. If they can afford to install them, then so can we. OK. It may cost a few bob initially, but the long term benefits and savings are enormous. Please sign this petition and ask your friends, neighbours and family to do the same. Thank you. It will only take around 30 seconds. http://www.change.or g/petitions/essex-co unty-council-turn-on -street-lighting-bet ween-the-hours-of-12 -00am-and-5-00am[/p][/quote]Im in bed between 12-5am so I couldn't give a sh1t. No1 Shoplifter
  • Score: -1

11:18pm Sun 9 Mar 14

Jolly77 says...

No 1 Shoplifter. While you are "not giving a sh1t" in bed, people are beavering away filling up the shelves in shops ready for the next day. They have to go to work or come home in the dark. A little empathy won't go amiss!
No 1 Shoplifter. While you are "not giving a sh1t" in bed, people are beavering away filling up the shelves in shops ready for the next day. They have to go to work or come home in the dark. A little empathy won't go amiss! Jolly77
  • Score: 5

9:08am Mon 10 Mar 14

cg1blue says...

richardstanley1963 wrote:
woolstone wrote: Will the pot holes be filled up with the money saved I don't think so. Now they are more dangerous at night as we have no street lights to see them before cars and pedestrians fall down them. Southend has their lights on, so why can't the rest of us?
I can't believe i'm reading this ?. DRIVE SLOWER IF VISIBILITY IS POOR !!! This is like a load of children stamping their feet because things are not going the way they want, As it seems some people are unaware of the highway code rule 226 states "You MUST use headlights when visibility is seriously reduced, generally when you cannot see for more than 100 metres (328 feet)", It is in the poor weather section as even the penpushers assume some common sense from drivers in poor visibility but i'm not seeing it in this thread. How did we ever survive as a race when it seems people cannot make their way around in the dark like their ancestors !!!.
You're missing the point. This is 2014. We have street lighting available. Street lighting makes walking and driving around our streets safer. Do you agree with that? Assuming you do agree, then why are you defending switching them off?
Yes we can all live without it, and we can all drive more carefully, and we can all use torches etc. We can all complain about the pot holes, and we can improve security on our properties so the burglars don't take advantage of the pitch black streets.
Or, how about this for a radical idea.....the council could switch the street lights back on?
[quote][p][bold]richardstanley1963[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woolstone[/bold] wrote: Will the pot holes be filled up with the money saved I don't think so. Now they are more dangerous at night as we have no street lights to see them before cars and pedestrians fall down them. Southend has their lights on, so why can't the rest of us?[/p][/quote]I can't believe i'm reading this ?. DRIVE SLOWER IF VISIBILITY IS POOR !!! This is like a load of children stamping their feet because things are not going the way they want, As it seems some people are unaware of the highway code rule 226 states "You MUST use headlights when visibility is seriously reduced, generally when you cannot see for more than 100 metres (328 feet)", It is in the poor weather section as even the penpushers assume some common sense from drivers in poor visibility but i'm not seeing it in this thread. How did we ever survive as a race when it seems people cannot make their way around in the dark like their ancestors !!!.[/p][/quote]You're missing the point. This is 2014. We have street lighting available. Street lighting makes walking and driving around our streets safer. Do you agree with that? Assuming you do agree, then why are you defending switching them off? Yes we can all live without it, and we can all drive more carefully, and we can all use torches etc. We can all complain about the pot holes, and we can improve security on our properties so the burglars don't take advantage of the pitch black streets. Or, how about this for a radical idea.....the council could switch the street lights back on? cg1blue
  • Score: 4

9:23am Mon 10 Mar 14

cg1blue says...

Silver linings wrote:
cg1blue wrote:
Silver linings wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma kessense wrote: Lets see those crime figures, compared to the lit areas, because this seems like just another sour grape attempt, to thwart the street light switch off.
Absolutely. Perhaps instead of wasting time fighting what is a good idea they should get involved in this https://www.facebook .com/WattylePlanetar ium The lights being off isn't the problem. Complaint - It's dark, people can't see where they are going and are more at risk of accidents - Have these people never heard of torches and light coloured clothing? Complaint - People walking along roads late at night have been knocked down, if we turn the lights off it will get worse - In the incident I am aware of it was the early hours of the morning and the person had large amounts of alcohol in their body. Oh, and the lights were on when it happened. Having the lights on doesn't stop people doing stupid things that risk their safety. Complaint - Dark is scary - Grow up! Dark isn't scary, it's what is meant to happen at night. Complaint - Crime will go up. - So what you are saying is, because this is Basildon we are going to accept that there are people with no morals and rather than tackle that we are going to put the lights back on?!
So how quickly do you think we can rid the town of burglars and muggers and people with no morals? 1 week.....1 month...20 years? So you think it's better to give those people the cover of darkness to carry out their 'night work' while we wait for a solution to the problems with an entire generation? Clearly this lights off policy doesn't affect you, and you are seriously lacking empathy.
As I said, just because this is Basildon we should not accept that the minority will use the darkness. The lack of light is not the cause of the problem. The problem was there before the light and would continue if the lights were switched back on. The problem needs tackling at the root, i.e. a much harder line on anyone caught and much more done to catch those who carry out the crimes. If my children break the rules I don't make it harder for them to do so, I punish the rule breaking. And yes, it does affect me. I live in Basildon. Basildon has a poor reputation that is not entirely deserved. I am not born and bred, I was not entirely comfortable with living here to start with but have come to really appreciate it. The majority are law abiding, polite, friendly people and I don't think we should just put up with the bad sides because in doing so we are playing a part in perpetuating the myths. Things have improved in the last 10 years and I sincerely hope they continue to do so. I want my children to be proud of their home town not grow up to be embarrassed about where they come from.
You make some great points, and I admire your optimism. I also hope things continue to improve.
However, I still don't think it's right to plunge streets into darkness in an era when violent crime and burglary are commonplace. I really don't think the benefits of the switch off outweigh the anxiety caused to residents (especially the elderly), and I would have thought there were safer ways to save a few quid.
Does anybody know why they couldn't have left some lights on, e.g. leave on 1 in every 3 lights?
[quote][p][bold]Silver linings[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cg1blue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Silver linings[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: Lets see those crime figures, compared to the lit areas, because this seems like just another sour grape attempt, to thwart the street light switch off.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. Perhaps instead of wasting time fighting what is a good idea they should get involved in this https://www.facebook .com/WattylePlanetar ium The lights being off isn't the problem. Complaint - It's dark, people can't see where they are going and are more at risk of accidents - Have these people never heard of torches and light coloured clothing? Complaint - People walking along roads late at night have been knocked down, if we turn the lights off it will get worse - In the incident I am aware of it was the early hours of the morning and the person had large amounts of alcohol in their body. Oh, and the lights were on when it happened. Having the lights on doesn't stop people doing stupid things that risk their safety. Complaint - Dark is scary - Grow up! Dark isn't scary, it's what is meant to happen at night. Complaint - Crime will go up. - So what you are saying is, because this is Basildon we are going to accept that there are people with no morals and rather than tackle that we are going to put the lights back on?![/p][/quote]So how quickly do you think we can rid the town of burglars and muggers and people with no morals? 1 week.....1 month...20 years? So you think it's better to give those people the cover of darkness to carry out their 'night work' while we wait for a solution to the problems with an entire generation? Clearly this lights off policy doesn't affect you, and you are seriously lacking empathy.[/p][/quote]As I said, just because this is Basildon we should not accept that the minority will use the darkness. The lack of light is not the cause of the problem. The problem was there before the light and would continue if the lights were switched back on. The problem needs tackling at the root, i.e. a much harder line on anyone caught and much more done to catch those who carry out the crimes. If my children break the rules I don't make it harder for them to do so, I punish the rule breaking. And yes, it does affect me. I live in Basildon. Basildon has a poor reputation that is not entirely deserved. I am not born and bred, I was not entirely comfortable with living here to start with but have come to really appreciate it. The majority are law abiding, polite, friendly people and I don't think we should just put up with the bad sides because in doing so we are playing a part in perpetuating the myths. Things have improved in the last 10 years and I sincerely hope they continue to do so. I want my children to be proud of their home town not grow up to be embarrassed about where they come from.[/p][/quote]You make some great points, and I admire your optimism. I also hope things continue to improve. However, I still don't think it's right to plunge streets into darkness in an era when violent crime and burglary are commonplace. I really don't think the benefits of the switch off outweigh the anxiety caused to residents (especially the elderly), and I would have thought there were safer ways to save a few quid. Does anybody know why they couldn't have left some lights on, e.g. leave on 1 in every 3 lights? cg1blue
  • Score: 3

4:59pm Mon 10 Mar 14

ddf35 says...

Have read a lot of comments/stories on this issue - and there are some valid points, and also some ridiculous comments which are worthy of the cutting replies they get (one i read was about "do you want your grandchildren walking home in the dark" - after midnight? riight, cos that happens)

anyway - can we not compare things in our life which we think are inconvenient to 'third world countries' - bins not collected in snow = third world country - lights off = third world country etc etc - its a reactionary comparison that is completely untrue - these people who live in their own house, drive cars, eat well and buy nice things really need a reality check to make such a comparison and it really annoys me.
Have read a lot of comments/stories on this issue - and there are some valid points, and also some ridiculous comments which are worthy of the cutting replies they get (one i read was about "do you want your grandchildren walking home in the dark" - after midnight? riight, cos that happens) anyway - can we not compare things in our life which we think are inconvenient to 'third world countries' - bins not collected in snow = third world country - lights off = third world country etc etc - its a reactionary comparison that is completely untrue - these people who live in their own house, drive cars, eat well and buy nice things really need a reality check to make such a comparison and it really annoys me. ddf35
  • Score: 0

5:41pm Mon 10 Mar 14

_Lotus_ says...

No1 Shoplifter wrote:
Mumfie wrote:
The decision by Essex County Council to turn off street lighting is wrong for so many reasons and must be reversed as soon as possible.

Not only because street lighting makes people feel safer in their surroundings and is probably more of a deterrent to criminals, but because it is vital to those people who are out either on foot, or travelling by vehicle, at night. The London Underground is soon to run 24 hours a day. There will be more people on roads travelling late at night from train stations.

The current state of the roads in the county is diabolical to put it mildly. Road defects such as numerous potholes, which the Council seem to take an eternity to have repaired, and that cause damage to vehicles and danger to the public when people swerve to avoid them, or the knock-on effect that this has when damaging a vehicle. Potholes are bad enough to avoid during daylight. Can you imagine hitting one at night in virtual darkness? The council are also careless in the maintenance of white lining. This is vital, especially in wet and/or foggy conditions. Imagine if there had been no lighting in the recent storms, with trees and debris blown across the roads? It doesn't bare thinking about.

Then think of the emergency services and how they would cope at the scene of an emergency if it were dark? Waiting for satisfactory lighting to arrive could cost lives. It would make the jobs of these services a lot more difficult.

Then there is the knock-on effect of businesses who are open for 24 hours. People would possibly not use these when it is pitch black everywhere. This would then lead to job cuts.

To save a few pounds, Essex Council, who squandered over £1.5 million on un-essential things last year, according to Essex County Standard, would rather switch off street lights, than save lives.

Local councils have opposed this move by Essex County Council to my knowledge. It is about time that Essex County Council paid attention to the wants of the people. If they don't, then they can kiss goodbye to any power now held at the next council elections.

Good on Basildon Council for threatening to sue Essex County Council, and I hope they carry the threat through, or, at least get an injunction to force Essex CC to switch them back on. Nearly everybody I have spoken too feels this is outrageous and a pathetic attempt to screw more money out of the public. We are STILL paying for the electricity for street lighting, irrespective of whether it is turned on or off. That is THEFT in my opinion. We are paying for a service we are not getting. This ridiculous scheme is being rolled out all over the country, by people who lack common sense and are totally out of touch with general society. In these days where one is more aware of Health and Safety issues being rammed down our throats at times, this makes these County Councils decisions even more bizarre.

Street lights are there for a reason. If they are costing too much to run (and using carbon footprints as an excuse is deplorable... I wonder what the personal carbon footprints of those who make these decisions are?) then invest in LED lighting, which is a lot cheaper to run and maintain, lasts a lot longer, and gives a more powerful brighter light than the yellow street lamps, as being rolled out in Glasgow for example. If they can afford to install them, then so can we. OK. It may cost a few bob initially, but the long term benefits and savings are enormous.

Please sign this petition and ask your friends, neighbours and family to do the same. Thank you. It will only take around 30 seconds.
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Im in bed between 12-5am so I couldn't give a sh1t.
We are not talking, or concerned about you when you go out - actually, do you even go out. No, you are home in bed by midnight. Cinderella and pumpkin comes to mind when I read your posts.
[quote][p][bold]No1 Shoplifter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mumfie[/bold] wrote: The decision by Essex County Council to turn off street lighting is wrong for so many reasons and must be reversed as soon as possible. Not only because street lighting makes people feel safer in their surroundings and is probably more of a deterrent to criminals, but because it is vital to those people who are out either on foot, or travelling by vehicle, at night. The London Underground is soon to run 24 hours a day. There will be more people on roads travelling late at night from train stations. The current state of the roads in the county is diabolical to put it mildly. Road defects such as numerous potholes, which the Council seem to take an eternity to have repaired, and that cause damage to vehicles and danger to the public when people swerve to avoid them, or the knock-on effect that this has when damaging a vehicle. Potholes are bad enough to avoid during daylight. Can you imagine hitting one at night in virtual darkness? The council are also careless in the maintenance of white lining. This is vital, especially in wet and/or foggy conditions. Imagine if there had been no lighting in the recent storms, with trees and debris blown across the roads? It doesn't bare thinking about. Then think of the emergency services and how they would cope at the scene of an emergency if it were dark? Waiting for satisfactory lighting to arrive could cost lives. It would make the jobs of these services a lot more difficult. Then there is the knock-on effect of businesses who are open for 24 hours. People would possibly not use these when it is pitch black everywhere. This would then lead to job cuts. To save a few pounds, Essex Council, who squandered over £1.5 million on un-essential things last year, according to Essex County Standard, would rather switch off street lights, than save lives. Local councils have opposed this move by Essex County Council to my knowledge. It is about time that Essex County Council paid attention to the wants of the people. If they don't, then they can kiss goodbye to any power now held at the next council elections. Good on Basildon Council for threatening to sue Essex County Council, and I hope they carry the threat through, or, at least get an injunction to force Essex CC to switch them back on. Nearly everybody I have spoken too feels this is outrageous and a pathetic attempt to screw more money out of the public. We are STILL paying for the electricity for street lighting, irrespective of whether it is turned on or off. That is THEFT in my opinion. We are paying for a service we are not getting. This ridiculous scheme is being rolled out all over the country, by people who lack common sense and are totally out of touch with general society. In these days where one is more aware of Health and Safety issues being rammed down our throats at times, this makes these County Councils decisions even more bizarre. Street lights are there for a reason. If they are costing too much to run (and using carbon footprints as an excuse is deplorable... I wonder what the personal carbon footprints of those who make these decisions are?) then invest in LED lighting, which is a lot cheaper to run and maintain, lasts a lot longer, and gives a more powerful brighter light than the yellow street lamps, as being rolled out in Glasgow for example. If they can afford to install them, then so can we. OK. It may cost a few bob initially, but the long term benefits and savings are enormous. Please sign this petition and ask your friends, neighbours and family to do the same. Thank you. It will only take around 30 seconds. http://www.change.or g/petitions/essex-co unty-council-turn-on -street-lighting-bet ween-the-hours-of-12 -00am-and-5-00am[/p][/quote]Im in bed between 12-5am so I couldn't give a sh1t.[/p][/quote]We are not talking, or concerned about you when you go out - actually, do you even go out. No, you are home in bed by midnight. Cinderella and pumpkin comes to mind when I read your posts. _Lotus_
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10:29pm Mon 10 Mar 14

woolstone says...

As I said before if Southend can keep their lights on why can't Rochford and why turn them off at midnight was wrong with later. Soon it will be lighter at 5 am, so I assume the lights will go off at midnight and not come on again until the next evening during the summer.
As I said before if Southend can keep their lights on why can't Rochford and why turn them off at midnight was wrong with later. Soon it will be lighter at 5 am, so I assume the lights will go off at midnight and not come on again until the next evening during the summer. woolstone
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4:03pm Wed 12 Mar 14

exBillericayDicky says...

Ollieoll1985 wrote:
In a town there are shift workers who finish and start all hours of the night to provide us joe public with a service. Be it hospital, supermarket, or petrol garage. These people have to get around during these hours, take a torch you say but that just highlights you to potential harm, and gives you a limited view. Uneven foot path and steps are hazardous in broad daylight. Then you have people who drive for a profession imagine the strain on your eyes, and for taxi drivers trying to find your door number. Yeah they can take a torch but people will soon moan that is dangerous they are not concentrating on driving. But its still a service we require. I live in Vange its very dark with many alleyways so before midnight it can sometimes be difficult to see, but after midnight now you can't see you hand before your face, and unfortunately for us we have hadan incident.....but also how are the police meant to search for these individuals who do commit crimes under the cover of darkness, the police helicopter wil have to go up more frequently
A lillte over the top in some of what you say there, so lets break this down into your individual components.

Workers : I imagine they will be driving, not walking to/from work, so the need for a torch to see where they are going, invalid

People who drive for a living (ie taxi drivers) : if they're looking for an address, it would be encumbent upon them to request an outside light is left on so they know what house - I do that now when waiting for a late cab

It's too dark : " I live in Vange its very dark with many alleyways so before midnight it can sometimes be difficult to see, but after midnight now you can't see you hand before your face" I didn't realise Vange was down a mineshaft, as that's the only time I've never been able to 'see my hand in front of my face', less hyperbole needed, you can see Plenty at night without lights on.

Police searching : if they are in need of a search at night, the helicopter is generally in the air anyway using their i/red camera to guide those on foot
[quote][p][bold]Ollieoll1985[/bold] wrote: In a town there are shift workers who finish and start all hours of the night to provide us joe public with a service. Be it hospital, supermarket, or petrol garage. These people have to get around during these hours, take a torch you say but that just highlights you to potential harm, and gives you a limited view. Uneven foot path and steps are hazardous in broad daylight. Then you have people who drive for a profession imagine the strain on your eyes, and for taxi drivers trying to find your door number. Yeah they can take a torch but people will soon moan that is dangerous they are not concentrating on driving. But its still a service we require. I live in Vange its very dark with many alleyways so before midnight it can sometimes be difficult to see, but after midnight now you can't see you hand before your face, and unfortunately for us we have hadan incident.....but also how are the police meant to search for these individuals who do commit crimes under the cover of darkness, the police helicopter wil have to go up more frequently[/p][/quote]A lillte over the top in some of what you say there, so lets break this down into your individual components. Workers : I imagine they will be driving, not walking to/from work, so the need for a torch to see where they are going, invalid People who drive for a living (ie taxi drivers) : if they're looking for an address, it would be encumbent upon them to request an outside light is left on so they know what house - I do that now when waiting for a late cab It's too dark : " I live in Vange its very dark with many alleyways so before midnight it can sometimes be difficult to see, but after midnight now you can't see you hand before your face" I didn't realise Vange was down a mineshaft, as that's the only time I've never been able to 'see my hand in front of my face', less hyperbole needed, you can see Plenty at night without lights on. Police searching : if they are in need of a search at night, the helicopter is generally in the air anyway using their i/red camera to guide those on foot exBillericayDicky
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