Shocking pictures of Basildon man who was mauled by a dog... as the owner escapes justice

Shocking pictures of Basildon man who was mauled by a dog... as the owner escapes justice

Shocking pictures of Basildon man who was mauled by a dog... as the owner escapes justice

Shocking pictures of Basildon man who was mauled by a dog... as the owner escapes justice

Shocking pictures of Basildon man who was mauled by a dog... as the owner escapes justice

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A MAN traumatised after being savaged by a Japanese Akita while protecting a child hit out at the sentence given to the dog’s owner.

Dave Benson, 31, was hailed a hero after he threw himself in front of the Akita after it pounced on a child in a playground, off Luncines Road, Pitsea, last October.

But he said he was lucky to be alive after the canine turned on him, mauling his arms as tried to restrain the animal. Mr Benson had to undergo reconstructive surgery.

The dog’s owner, Nick Hart, 24, of The Greenstead, Basildon, received an 18-month conditional discharge, was ordered to pay £2,500 compensation and allowed to keep the animal.

Mr Benson, of Pitsea, said: “I know it is not necessarily the dog’s fault. It is the owner. But how can the courts rule this savage machine be kept alive?

“It’s worrying for the public, as I’m sure the dog would have killed the child easily and could have killed me.”

Mr Benson said he stepped in as he owns a five-year-old Akita, so thought he knew how to deal with the situation.

He said the dog immediately set upon him, biting his arms. He managed to restrain it for about five minutes until passers-by helped hold down the animal before police were called.

He added: “It set on me like it was going to rip my throat out. I grabbed it by the neck and restrained it, but if I hadn’t known how to deal with these dogs then I would have been killed.

“The sentence handed down is outrageous.

It’s like if you shot me, and the courts told you you were able to keep the gun afterwards.”

He spent two nights in hospital needing reconstructive surgery to piece together his arms. He suffered severe muscle damage.

Mr Benson said he has been left mentally scarred by the episode, and regularly has nightmares.

Hart was sentenced by Basildon magistrates last week after admitting owning a dog which was out of control and dangerous in public, and causing injury.

He was allowed to keep the dog, as long as the house it is kept in is locked, and as long as he ensured the animal was muzzled and leashed at all times in public.

The Crown Prosecution Service declined to comment on the sentence.

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6:59pm Thu 13 Feb 14

the25man says...

The more Courts let people down the more people will start to take their own way of justice. Next time Mr Benson would want to kill the dog. I know I would
The more Courts let people down the more people will start to take their own way of justice. Next time Mr Benson would want to kill the dog. I know I would the25man
  • Score: 65

7:11pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Thames Gateway says...

Unfortunately there are too many numb-nuts in our society these days, and the state always panders to them.
Unfortunately there are too many numb-nuts in our society these days, and the state always panders to them. Thames Gateway
  • Score: 61

8:26pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Kim Gandy says...

Why do people have these savage creatures anyway.

Often they are a status symbol for thick chavs who think they make them look big. A bit like the bloke in the flash sports car and the Rolex. A p...s extension.

As for the owner getting off free, just shows what a lily livered justice system we have in this country, where decent people are pursued and harangued and scum like this stalks the streets with their canine alter egos.
Why do people have these savage creatures anyway. Often they are a status symbol for thick chavs who think they make them look big. A bit like the bloke in the flash sports car and the Rolex. A p...s extension. As for the owner getting off free, just shows what a lily livered justice system we have in this country, where decent people are pursued and harangued and scum like this stalks the streets with their canine alter egos. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 49

8:27pm Thu 13 Feb 14

silverleaf48 says...

I think if dog cases came before the courts the owner should be heavy fined and the dog sent for behavior training paid by the owner i know dog came from the wild but if they are brought up properley this would not happen
I think if dog cases came before the courts the owner should be heavy fined and the dog sent for behavior training paid by the owner i know dog came from the wild but if they are brought up properley this would not happen silverleaf48
  • Score: 9

9:14pm Thu 13 Feb 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

i bet the £2500 the 24yo dog owner has to cough up hurt a bit, although i also think he should get the bill from the NHS too and court costs and any other costs incurred
i bet the £2500 the 24yo dog owner has to cough up hurt a bit, although i also think he should get the bill from the NHS too and court costs and any other costs incurred DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 57

9:20pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Nebs says...

Magistrates should be elected.
Magistrates should be elected. Nebs
  • Score: 29

9:23pm Thu 13 Feb 14

essexmilfhunter says...

Run the dog and owner over and see what justice the courts hand out then!
Run the dog and owner over and see what justice the courts hand out then! essexmilfhunter
  • Score: 20

9:28pm Thu 13 Feb 14

OMPITA [Intl] says...

silverleaf48 wrote:
I think if dog cases came before the courts the owner should be heavy fined and the dog sent for behavior training paid by the owner i know dog came from the wild but if they are brought up properley this would not happen
Silverleaf48. You actually counter your own argument when you quite correctly point out that dogs originate from the wild.

No amount of training will absolutely guarantee that they will not momentarily revert to the wild at some point, especially when triggered by something or other.

I wonder if there is a trainer anywhere that would take on this particular animal and personally accept full responsibility for it never doing something similar again at some point in the future?

I somehow doubt it.
[quote][p][bold]silverleaf48[/bold] wrote: I think if dog cases came before the courts the owner should be heavy fined and the dog sent for behavior training paid by the owner i know dog came from the wild but if they are brought up properley this would not happen[/p][/quote]Silverleaf48. You actually counter your own argument when you quite correctly point out that dogs originate from the wild. No amount of training will absolutely guarantee that they will not momentarily revert to the wild at some point, especially when triggered by something or other. I wonder if there is a trainer anywhere that would take on this particular animal and personally accept full responsibility for it never doing something similar again at some point in the future? I somehow doubt it. OMPITA [Intl]
  • Score: 21

9:31pm Thu 13 Feb 14

OMPITA [Intl] says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Why do people have these savage creatures anyway.

Often they are a status symbol for thick chavs who think they make them look big. A bit like the bloke in the flash sports car and the Rolex. A p...s extension.

As for the owner getting off free, just shows what a lily livered justice system we have in this country, where decent people are pursued and harangued and scum like this stalks the streets with their canine alter egos.
Ditto!
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: Why do people have these savage creatures anyway. Often they are a status symbol for thick chavs who think they make them look big. A bit like the bloke in the flash sports car and the Rolex. A p...s extension. As for the owner getting off free, just shows what a lily livered justice system we have in this country, where decent people are pursued and harangued and scum like this stalks the streets with their canine alter egos.[/p][/quote]Ditto! OMPITA [Intl]
  • Score: 10

10:11pm Thu 13 Feb 14

daninorth says...

Can't he appeal this? It's ridiculously outrageous !
Can't he appeal this? It's ridiculously outrageous ! daninorth
  • Score: 18

10:12pm Thu 13 Feb 14

pendulum says...

Maybe it will hit the national news when this dog or owner is involved in another incident and the authorities missed the chance to resolve the problem on this occasion.

The dog should have been put down and the owner banned from owning animals for many years, and that is the absolute minimum that should've happened.
Maybe it will hit the national news when this dog or owner is involved in another incident and the authorities missed the chance to resolve the problem on this occasion. The dog should have been put down and the owner banned from owning animals for many years, and that is the absolute minimum that should've happened. pendulum
  • Score: 33

11:48pm Thu 13 Feb 14

ThisYear says...

Echo headline

*Shocking pictures of Basildon man who was mauled by a dog... as the owner escapes justice*

"The dog’s owner, Nick Hart, 24, of The Greenstead, Basildon, received an 18-month conditional discharge, was ordered to pay £2,500 compensation and allowed to keep the animal."

So he didn't receive any punishment?
Echo headline *Shocking pictures of Basildon man who was mauled by a dog... as the owner escapes justice* "The dog’s owner, Nick Hart, 24, of The Greenstead, Basildon, received an 18-month conditional discharge, was ordered to pay £2,500 compensation and allowed to keep the animal." So he didn't receive any punishment? ThisYear
  • Score: 8

12:07am Fri 14 Feb 14

Seasider90 says...

Crown Prosecution Service are a pathetic bunch of clowns who continually let down the police and the people of this country.

They are a total and utter disgrace. My son was badly beaten, the culprits caught both by the police and on cctv and yet ..... Not enough evidence.

Clown Pathetic Service - hope they never come to me for help.
Crown Prosecution Service are a pathetic bunch of clowns who continually let down the police and the people of this country. They are a total and utter disgrace. My son was badly beaten, the culprits caught both by the police and on cctv and yet ..... Not enough evidence. Clown Pathetic Service - hope they never come to me for help. Seasider90
  • Score: 23

2:56am Fri 14 Feb 14

emcee says...

ThisYear wrote:
Echo headline

*Shocking pictures of Basildon man who was mauled by a dog... as the owner escapes justice*

"The dog’s owner, Nick Hart, 24, of The Greenstead, Basildon, received an 18-month conditional discharge, was ordered to pay £2,500 compensation and allowed to keep the animal."

So he didn't receive any punishment?
Justice and punishment are two different things.
Punishment is a hardship dealt to those who have done wrong.
Justice, however, is when it is felt that the correct amount of punishment has been dealt, depending on the level of wrong that has been comitted.
As it is felt that the punishment with regards to this particular incident was insufficient then it is also felt that justice was not done.
If the punishment is not at a level that fits the wrong then it can be said justice has not been done.
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: Echo headline *Shocking pictures of Basildon man who was mauled by a dog... as the owner escapes justice* "The dog’s owner, Nick Hart, 24, of The Greenstead, Basildon, received an 18-month conditional discharge, was ordered to pay £2,500 compensation and allowed to keep the animal." So he didn't receive any punishment?[/p][/quote]Justice and punishment are two different things. Punishment is a hardship dealt to those who have done wrong. Justice, however, is when it is felt that the correct amount of punishment has been dealt, depending on the level of wrong that has been comitted. As it is felt that the punishment with regards to this particular incident was insufficient then it is also felt that justice was not done. If the punishment is not at a level that fits the wrong then it can be said justice has not been done. emcee
  • Score: 29

7:50am Fri 14 Feb 14

angryofessex says...

There is an advertisement in a newsagent in Baz “Akita for sale, 1½ years old, good with children”. Watch this space.
There is an advertisement in a newsagent in Baz “Akita for sale, 1½ years old, good with children”. Watch this space. angryofessex
  • Score: 17

7:56am Fri 14 Feb 14

Royr says...

Seasider90 wrote:
Crown Prosecution Service are a pathetic bunch of clowns who continually let down the police and the people of this country.

They are a total and utter disgrace. My son was badly beaten, the culprits caught both by the police and on cctv and yet ..... Not enough evidence.

Clown Pathetic Service - hope they never come to me for help.
CPS prosecute, magistrates hand out punishments (or not!)
[quote][p][bold]Seasider90[/bold] wrote: Crown Prosecution Service are a pathetic bunch of clowns who continually let down the police and the people of this country. They are a total and utter disgrace. My son was badly beaten, the culprits caught both by the police and on cctv and yet ..... Not enough evidence. Clown Pathetic Service - hope they never come to me for help.[/p][/quote]CPS prosecute, magistrates hand out punishments (or not!) Royr
  • Score: 9

8:24am Fri 14 Feb 14

pembury53 says...

these are very troubling times..... a self serving bunch of dictats in westminster ensure us all is well while the criminal justice system throws the masses to the wolves....... in this case quite literally
these are very troubling times..... a self serving bunch of dictats in westminster ensure us all is well while the criminal justice system throws the masses to the wolves....... in this case quite literally pembury53
  • Score: 14

8:44am Fri 14 Feb 14

Happy Chickie says...

Holy cow! The poor guy. I would suggest bringing a private civil case against the dogs owner. There is more than one way to make idiot dog owners pay!

I hope you are doing better David.
Holy cow! The poor guy. I would suggest bringing a private civil case against the dogs owner. There is more than one way to make idiot dog owners pay! I hope you are doing better David. Happy Chickie
  • Score: 32

9:08am Fri 14 Feb 14

Jack222 says...

All dogs which savage people should be put down. Simple.
All dogs which savage people should be put down. Simple. Jack222
  • Score: 34

10:07am Fri 14 Feb 14

andy:) says...

Happy Chickie wrote:
Holy cow! The poor guy. I would suggest bringing a private civil case against the dogs owner. There is more than one way to make idiot dog owners pay!

I hope you are doing better David.
Indeed..loss of earnings, distress, various other costs....hit him in the pocket.
[quote][p][bold]Happy Chickie[/bold] wrote: Holy cow! The poor guy. I would suggest bringing a private civil case against the dogs owner. There is more than one way to make idiot dog owners pay! I hope you are doing better David.[/p][/quote]Indeed..loss of earnings, distress, various other costs....hit him in the pocket. andy:)
  • Score: 12

10:12am Fri 14 Feb 14

OMPITA [Intl] says...

Before us mere simpletons of the hoi polloi become too critical of the good and the great who constitute the justice system we should consider the constraints under which Magistrates are required to operate. Contrary to what might be popular opinion they are in fact duty bound to comply with specific guidelines when dealing with all matters that come before them.

I commend anyone who wants to gain an understanding of this to take a look at the Magistrates’ Court Sentencing Guidelines which can be seen at:
http://sentencingcou
ncil.judiciary.gov.u
k/docs/MCSG_Update9_
October_2012.pdf

It should be noted that there is a statutory obligation on every court to have regard to these guidelines in a relevant case. This means that magistrates do not have carte blanche to do as they please, but must ‘toe the line’ when it comes to deciding on what sentence to impose.

In this instance I think it’s fairly clear that we have a case of an ‘Owner or person in charge of a dog, dangerously out of control in a public place, injuring any person’ (Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 (section 3(1))) Refers.

So, if you go to page 255 of the Guidelines you will find what I would call ‘The Idiot’s Guide for Magistrates Trying this Particular Type of Offence’. It’s a relatively easy procedure to follow. Indeed anyone who has recently managed to complete a Self-Assessment Tax Return should find it an absolute doddle!

I suggest therefore that anyone who feels strongly about the sentencing decision in this case takes the facts as known and runs through the procedure to see what result they come up with so as to decide whether in their opinion the magistrates have got it right or not. Remember they must comply with the guidelines, not their own or their perception of the general public’s opinion, however strongly they personally may feel about it.

With regard to Guideline Step 1; it seems to me that this was a Category Two case (greater harm and lower culpability) vis: Serious injury; sustained attack; and a child involved.

With regard to Guideline Step 5; I totally fail to understand how the magistrates were satisfied that the dog would not constitute a danger to the public.

I’ve been through the guidelines a couple of times and I fail to see how there was not an order for the dog’s destruction. But as I said at the beginning, I am but a mere simpleton and must doff my cap to my elders and betters.

Anyone else care to go through the same exercise and offer their own opinion?
Before us mere simpletons of the hoi polloi become too critical of the good and the great who constitute the justice system we should consider the constraints under which Magistrates are required to operate. Contrary to what might be popular opinion they are in fact duty bound to comply with specific guidelines when dealing with all matters that come before them. I commend anyone who wants to gain an understanding of this to take a look at the Magistrates’ Court Sentencing Guidelines which can be seen at: http://sentencingcou ncil.judiciary.gov.u k/docs/MCSG_Update9_ October_2012.pdf It should be noted that there is a statutory obligation on every court to have regard to these guidelines in a relevant case. This means that magistrates do not have carte blanche to do as they please, but must ‘toe the line’ when it comes to deciding on what sentence to impose. In this instance I think it’s fairly clear that we have a case of an ‘Owner or person in charge of a dog, dangerously out of control in a public place, injuring any person’ (Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 (section 3(1))) Refers. So, if you go to page 255 of the Guidelines you will find what I would call ‘The Idiot’s Guide for Magistrates Trying this Particular Type of Offence’. It’s a relatively easy procedure to follow. Indeed anyone who has recently managed to complete a Self-Assessment Tax Return should find it an absolute doddle! I suggest therefore that anyone who feels strongly about the sentencing decision in this case takes the facts as known and runs through the procedure to see what result they come up with so as to decide whether in their opinion the magistrates have got it right or not. Remember they must comply with the guidelines, not their own or their perception of the general public’s opinion, however strongly they personally may feel about it. With regard to Guideline Step 1; it seems to me that this was a Category Two case (greater harm and lower culpability) vis: Serious injury; sustained attack; and a child involved. With regard to Guideline Step 5; I totally fail to understand how the magistrates were satisfied that the dog would not constitute a danger to the public. I’ve been through the guidelines a couple of times and I fail to see how there was not an order for the dog’s destruction. But as I said at the beginning, I am but a mere simpleton and must doff my cap to my elders and betters. Anyone else care to go through the same exercise and offer their own opinion? OMPITA [Intl]
  • Score: 9

10:22am Fri 14 Feb 14

Discouraged says...

Totally agree with OMPITA (above) Who were the magistrates who made this decision? They should be named.
Totally agree with OMPITA (above) Who were the magistrates who made this decision? They should be named. Discouraged
  • Score: 15

10:29am Fri 14 Feb 14

Happy Chickie says...

DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
i bet the £2500 the 24yo dog owner has to cough up hurt a bit, although i also think he should get the bill from the NHS too and court costs and any other costs incurred
A civil suit should be brought against the dog owner. 2500 is nothing for those injuries.
[quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: i bet the £2500 the 24yo dog owner has to cough up hurt a bit, although i also think he should get the bill from the NHS too and court costs and any other costs incurred[/p][/quote]A civil suit should be brought against the dog owner. 2500 is nothing for those injuries. Happy Chickie
  • Score: 16

11:25am Fri 14 Feb 14

Loosers says...

Another example of why we need a leash and muzzle law for all dogs in public places.
Another example of why we need a leash and muzzle law for all dogs in public places. Loosers
  • Score: 12

11:26am Fri 14 Feb 14

maxell says...

1st off thanks should go to the person who stepted in as a child would not have had the physical power to counter the attack, so as it has been reported there could have been a fatality.
2nd the presiding judge on this case should be sent a clear vote of no confidence, as he is clearly has no concept of reality. Was he biased as he himself could own such a creature or is in fact a dog lover. Has the injured party agreed the settlement, if not he would have grounds for appeal.

Any animal that has tasted human blood and has the power to over power any human should be destroyed (policy) this animal has the capability to retest its new found supremecy.
All dogs when in public places should by law be muzzeled and on a short leash. with heavy fines for non compliance.
sorry to all the responcible dog owners but you know the saying "one spoils it for all"
1st off thanks should go to the person who stepted in as a child would not have had the physical power to counter the attack, so as it has been reported there could have been a fatality. 2nd the presiding judge on this case should be sent a clear vote of no confidence, as he is clearly has no concept of reality. Was he biased as he himself could own such a creature or is in fact a dog lover. Has the injured party agreed the settlement, if not he would have grounds for appeal. Any animal that has tasted human blood and has the power to over power any human should be destroyed (policy) this animal has the capability to retest its new found supremecy. All dogs when in public places should by law be muzzeled and on a short leash. with heavy fines for non compliance. sorry to all the responcible dog owners but you know the saying "one spoils it for all" maxell
  • Score: 14

11:54am Fri 14 Feb 14

Howard Cháse says...

angryofessex wrote:
There is an advertisement in a newsagent in Baz “Akita for sale, 1½ years old, good with children”. Watch this space.
Saw that yesterday. Sent shivers up my spine.
[quote][p][bold]angryofessex[/bold] wrote: There is an advertisement in a newsagent in Baz “Akita for sale, 1½ years old, good with children”. Watch this space.[/p][/quote]Saw that yesterday. Sent shivers up my spine. Howard Cháse
  • Score: 11

12:39pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Steve H says...

I agree with the headline, they are shocking pictures......very out of focus!!

I hope the chap gets well soon :)
I agree with the headline, they are shocking pictures......very out of focus!! I hope the chap gets well soon :) Steve H
  • Score: 6

12:58pm Fri 14 Feb 14

ColonelSpiffSpaff says...

I went to college with dave back in 2000, funny guy, taking on a dog to spare a child from harm doesnt suprise me in the slightest
I went to college with dave back in 2000, funny guy, taking on a dog to spare a child from harm doesnt suprise me in the slightest ColonelSpiffSpaff
  • Score: 9

1:26pm Fri 14 Feb 14

luvinlife says...

Well done Dave Benson, you are a very brave man - I hope the Judge doesn't live to regret this bad decision if the dog attacks again.
Well done Dave Benson, you are a very brave man - I hope the Judge doesn't live to regret this bad decision if the dog attacks again. luvinlife
  • Score: 14

4:12pm Fri 14 Feb 14

OMPITA [Intl] says...

I’m afraid that all this mention of ‘judges’ and ‘presiding judges’ suggests some people may think that this offence was dealt with at a high court.

Not so, it was dealt with by Basildon Magistrates’ Court. Magistrates are not necessarily qualified experts. Indeed applicants do not need any formal qualifications or legal training and they can be trained for the role in just three days!

Perhaps if this case had found its way to a higher court and been heard in front of a ‘proper judge’ the outcome may have been significantly different.

I’m not surprised the Crown Prosecution Service are not ‘sticking their head above the parapet’ in this case, preferring it would seem to maintain a deafening silence!

Why am I minded to think that there could some considerable embarrassment within the corridors of power, with no one volunteering to take on the role of Aunt Sally and proffer themselves for public ridicule?
I’m afraid that all this mention of ‘judges’ and ‘presiding judges’ suggests some people may think that this offence was dealt with at a high court. Not so, it was dealt with by Basildon Magistrates’ Court. Magistrates are not necessarily qualified experts. Indeed applicants do not need any formal qualifications or legal training and they can be trained for the role in just three days! Perhaps if this case had found its way to a higher court and been heard in front of a ‘proper judge’ the outcome may have been significantly different. I’m not surprised the Crown Prosecution Service are not ‘sticking their head above the parapet’ in this case, preferring it would seem to maintain a deafening silence! Why am I minded to think that there could some considerable embarrassment within the corridors of power, with no one volunteering to take on the role of Aunt Sally and proffer themselves for public ridicule? OMPITA [Intl]
  • Score: 13

4:23pm Fri 14 Feb 14

runwellian says...

He could sue the dog owners for compensation to cover his injuries?
He certainly deserves it!

I have heard many cases of these dogs being quite vicious!
He could sue the dog owners for compensation to cover his injuries? He certainly deserves it! I have heard many cases of these dogs being quite vicious! runwellian
  • Score: 16

4:36pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Legend18 says...

It shouldn't have to take a court. If my German Shepherd attacked anyone and bit them, particularly without provocation then he would be put down. There is no margin for error with this Akita, it went for a child. Its owner should have already had the dog put down straight away after the incident. Fair play to Mr Benson for saving the child.
It shouldn't have to take a court. If my German Shepherd attacked anyone and bit them, particularly without provocation then he would be put down. There is no margin for error with this Akita, it went for a child. Its owner should have already had the dog put down straight away after the incident. Fair play to Mr Benson for saving the child. Legend18
  • Score: 12

4:54pm Fri 14 Feb 14

OMPITA [Intl] says...

Legend18 wrote:
It shouldn't have to take a court. If my German Shepherd attacked anyone and bit them, particularly without provocation then he would be put down. There is no margin for error with this Akita, it went for a child. Its owner should have already had the dog put down straight away after the incident. Fair play to Mr Benson for saving the child.
There speaks the voice of reason!
[quote][p][bold]Legend18[/bold] wrote: It shouldn't have to take a court. If my German Shepherd attacked anyone and bit them, particularly without provocation then he would be put down. There is no margin for error with this Akita, it went for a child. Its owner should have already had the dog put down straight away after the incident. Fair play to Mr Benson for saving the child.[/p][/quote]There speaks the voice of reason! OMPITA [Intl]
  • Score: 8

4:57pm Fri 14 Feb 14

John Bull 40 says...

the25man wrote:
The more Courts let people down the more people will start to take their own way of justice. Next time Mr Benson would want to kill the dog. I know I would
I have heard of people throwing poisoned meat over the fence of a dangerous
dog. not that I would condone such an action.
[quote][p][bold]the25man[/bold] wrote: The more Courts let people down the more people will start to take their own way of justice. Next time Mr Benson would want to kill the dog. I know I would[/p][/quote]I have heard of people throwing poisoned meat over the fence of a dangerous dog. not that I would condone such an action. John Bull 40
  • Score: 6

5:47pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Living the La Vida Legra says...

To end the problem is easy. Ban pets from social housing
To end the problem is easy. Ban pets from social housing Living the La Vida Legra
  • Score: -12

9:26pm Fri 14 Feb 14

schrodingerscat says...

This is awful. I own a dog, and would consider myself a 'dog lover', but if a dog has attacked a child, and caused this level of injury to a grown man, it should be put down. If this man had not been there to protect this child, it is likely the child would have been killed.

What a ridiculous decision. We can surely expect a story of a mauling / attack in the coming months or years.
This is awful. I own a dog, and would consider myself a 'dog lover', but if a dog has attacked a child, and caused this level of injury to a grown man, it should be put down. If this man had not been there to protect this child, it is likely the child would have been killed. What a ridiculous decision. We can surely expect a story of a mauling / attack in the coming months or years. schrodingerscat
  • Score: 7

11:06am Sat 15 Feb 14

LostFaith.com says...

Another example of our pathetic justice system, and people wonder why the country is in such a state. Well done to the man for saving the childs life, I have no doubt we would be reading a very different story had he not jumped in.
Another example of our pathetic justice system, and people wonder why the country is in such a state. Well done to the man for saving the childs life, I have no doubt we would be reading a very different story had he not jumped in. LostFaith.com
  • Score: 5

2:31pm Sat 15 Feb 14

RochfordRob says...

Reading Ompitas comments about guidelines, it would appear then that the magistrates and all their associated costs are surplus to requirements.

They could be replaced with a computer loaded with a sentencing matrix.

Guilty as charged, cross reference offence with punishment, print it out.

Job done.
Reading Ompitas comments about guidelines, it would appear then that the magistrates and all their associated costs are surplus to requirements. They could be replaced with a computer loaded with a sentencing matrix. Guilty as charged, cross reference offence with punishment, print it out. Job done. RochfordRob
  • Score: 2

2:51pm Sat 15 Feb 14

OMPITA [Intl] says...

RochfordRob I think you are so right!

What's the point of having a bunch half baked self opinionated 'Fuddy Duddies' agonizingly working there way through the Terms of Reference when a clerk could input the relevant data to a computer then let its algorithm do the number crunching to come up with a verdict.

If the offender thought it was unfair then there could always be the right of appeal.

Crikey, we might even then have some consistency from one Magistrates' Court to another. Let's face it magistrates are there to apply the law not make it so there shouldn't be too much 'human thinking' required in the process.
RochfordRob I think you are so right! What's the point of having a bunch half baked self opinionated 'Fuddy Duddies' agonizingly working there way through the Terms of Reference when a clerk could input the relevant data to a computer then let its algorithm do the number crunching to come up with a verdict. If the offender thought it was unfair then there could always be the right of appeal. Crikey, we might even then have some consistency from one Magistrates' Court to another. Let's face it magistrates are there to apply the law not make it so there shouldn't be too much 'human thinking' required in the process. OMPITA [Intl]
  • Score: 3

4:55pm Sat 15 Feb 14

runwellian says...

Having the dog destroyed doesn't compensate the man for his suffering, which could be long term.

It is the owners that need dealing with in a courtroom, they need to be hit in the pocket and banned from keeping dogs for life.

In 2001 my friends little girl was attacked by a Jack russell, one of those tiny sweet little dogs that you think wouldn't hurt a fly.

The child's injuries were appalling, now a teenager, she cannot walk properly, she couldn't never ride ride a bike or dance with her friends due to the injuries, she has ugly scars on both legs and is terrified of animals which very frequently prevents her form leaving her home, and is on antidepressants.

The visible wounds may heal, but the invisible ones destroy lives!

We never know why dogs attack, maybe they are feeling unwell!
Animal owners are responsible for their animals, to feed and care for them, and to ensure they do not endanger anyone.

The dog owners should be taken to court and made to compensate this man, money may not heal all wounds, but hopefully it would make all dogs owners aware of their accountability!
Having the dog destroyed doesn't compensate the man for his suffering, which could be long term. It is the owners that need dealing with in a courtroom, they need to be hit in the pocket and banned from keeping dogs for life. In 2001 my friends little girl was attacked by a Jack russell, one of those tiny sweet little dogs that you think wouldn't hurt a fly. The child's injuries were appalling, now a teenager, she cannot walk properly, she couldn't never ride ride a bike or dance with her friends due to the injuries, she has ugly scars on both legs and is terrified of animals which very frequently prevents her form leaving her home, and is on antidepressants. The visible wounds may heal, but the invisible ones destroy lives! We never know why dogs attack, maybe they are feeling unwell! Animal owners are responsible for their animals, to feed and care for them, and to ensure they do not endanger anyone. The dog owners should be taken to court and made to compensate this man, money may not heal all wounds, but hopefully it would make all dogs owners aware of their accountability! runwellian
  • Score: 3

11:26am Sun 16 Feb 14

leslog says...

looking at this mans injuries ,and the fact the owner was allowed to keep this dog alive seems a mockery of the justice system
looking at this mans injuries ,and the fact the owner was allowed to keep this dog alive seems a mockery of the justice system leslog
  • Score: 4

11:48am Sun 16 Feb 14

OMPITA [Intl] says...

Mockery? It's a flagrant abuse!
Mockery? It's a flagrant abuse! OMPITA [Intl]
  • Score: 2

12:35pm Sun 16 Feb 14

TheaWells says...

Good grief... can you imagine what would have happened had he NOT stepped in? Those injuries would have killed the child, especially as the chap says he restrained the dog from further attacking him so one must presume the dog would have carried on had it actually got to the child.

If I was the parent of the child that almost got attacked I would take this back to court. The dog is STILL alive and who's to say it wont want to attack the child again if it sees it out?

Plus how comes he is allowed to keep the animal alive when others have had to have their destroyed after a lesser attack?

Who's given who a back hander here?

quote from article " Hart was sentenced by Basildon magistrates last week after admitting owning a dog which was out of control and dangerous in public, and causing injury.

He was allowed to keep the dog, as long as the house it is kept in is locked, and as long as he ensured the animal was muzzled and leashed at all times in public. "

How does that stop it attacking anyone that enters / lives in the house? He's admitted the dog is 'out of control' If he can't control it in public where concentration should be at it's highest then HOW will he control it at home when he's relaxed by the TV and the dog decides to have another human snack?

I'd not visit his house that's for sure!
Good grief... can you imagine what would have happened had he NOT stepped in? Those injuries would have killed the child, especially as the chap says he restrained the dog from further attacking him so one must presume the dog would have carried on had it actually got to the child. If I was the parent of the child that almost got attacked I would take this back to court. The dog is STILL alive and who's to say it wont want to attack the child again if it sees it out? Plus how comes he is allowed to keep the animal alive when others have had to have their destroyed after a lesser attack? Who's given who a back hander here? quote from article " Hart was sentenced by Basildon magistrates last week after admitting owning a dog which was out of control and dangerous in public, and causing injury. He was allowed to keep the dog, as long as the house it is kept in is locked, and as long as he ensured the animal was muzzled and leashed at all times in public. " How does that stop it attacking anyone that enters / lives in the house? He's admitted the dog is 'out of control' If he can't control it in public where concentration should be at it's highest then HOW will he control it at home when he's relaxed by the TV and the dog decides to have another human snack? I'd not visit his house that's for sure! TheaWells
  • Score: 3

12:39pm Sun 16 Feb 14

TheaWells says...

"He managed to restrain it for about five minutes until passers-by helped hold down the animal before police were called. "

Where was the owner? Where was the parent of the child? Where were the other adults around the playground? How comes it took him 5 minutes 'alone' holding the dog down before police were called?

Something is missing here or the Echo have reported it wrong.
"He managed to restrain it for about five minutes until passers-by helped hold down the animal before police were called. " Where was the owner? Where was the parent of the child? Where were the other adults around the playground? How comes it took him 5 minutes 'alone' holding the dog down before police were called? Something is missing here or the Echo have reported it wrong. TheaWells
  • Score: 4

3:38pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Bolloximian says...

TheaWells wrote:
"He managed to restrain it for about five minutes until passers-by helped hold down the animal before police were called. "

Where was the owner? Where was the parent of the child? Where were the other adults around the playground? How comes it took him 5 minutes 'alone' holding the dog down before police were called?

Something is missing here or the Echo have reported it wrong.
I did ask myself the same questions. Whatever, the injuries sustained are awful and it does not seem as though justice has been done. It has certainly not been seen to have been done !
[quote][p][bold]TheaWells[/bold] wrote: "He managed to restrain it for about five minutes until passers-by helped hold down the animal before police were called. " Where was the owner? Where was the parent of the child? Where were the other adults around the playground? How comes it took him 5 minutes 'alone' holding the dog down before police were called? Something is missing here or the Echo have reported it wrong.[/p][/quote]I did ask myself the same questions. Whatever, the injuries sustained are awful and it does not seem as though justice has been done. It has certainly not been seen to have been done ! Bolloximian
  • Score: 3

3:59pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Discouraged says...

If I go in front of a Judge he is named, why not the same for a magistrate?
If I go in front of a Judge he is named, why not the same for a magistrate? Discouraged
  • Score: 1

1:23pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Bigmama1 says...

ThisYear wrote:
Echo headline

*Shocking pictures of Basildon man who was mauled by a dog... as the owner escapes justice*

"The dog’s owner, Nick Hart, 24, of The Greenstead, Basildon, received an 18-month conditional discharge, was ordered to pay £2,500 compensation and allowed to keep the animal."

So he didn't receive any punishment?
No. He most probably won't pay the fine either as he doesn't work. He will offer £1.00 per week which will take approx. 48 years! Some deterrent ! NO dogs of a certain size should be allowed out without a muzzle either. The owner admits the dog is out of control and he can't control it. Any decent person would have the dog put down. I dread to think this might have happened to a child. The man who stopped the dog should be given a bravery award as well. He did more than the dog owner did.
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: Echo headline *Shocking pictures of Basildon man who was mauled by a dog... as the owner escapes justice* "The dog’s owner, Nick Hart, 24, of The Greenstead, Basildon, received an 18-month conditional discharge, was ordered to pay £2,500 compensation and allowed to keep the animal." So he didn't receive any punishment?[/p][/quote]No. He most probably won't pay the fine either as he doesn't work. He will offer £1.00 per week which will take approx. 48 years! Some deterrent ! NO dogs of a certain size should be allowed out without a muzzle either. The owner admits the dog is out of control and he can't control it. Any decent person would have the dog put down. I dread to think this might have happened to a child. The man who stopped the dog should be given a bravery award as well. He did more than the dog owner did. Bigmama1
  • Score: 5

9:26pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Almeda11 says...

Living the La Vida Legra wrote:
To end the problem is easy. Ban pets from social housing
What a truly stupid answer to a serious problem !! People with aggresive dogs come from all types of property, private flats, rented or bought, as well as social housing.
Do the maths, facts are that there are many more in privately rented accomodation than in social housing, just think of the amount in the Shoebury to Leigh area, as compared to the number of flats in social housing.
[quote][p][bold]Living the La Vida Legra[/bold] wrote: To end the problem is easy. Ban pets from social housing[/p][/quote]What a truly stupid answer to a serious problem !! People with aggresive dogs come from all types of property, private flats, rented or bought, as well as social housing. Do the maths, facts are that there are many more in privately rented accomodation than in social housing, just think of the amount in the Shoebury to Leigh area, as compared to the number of flats in social housing. Almeda11
  • Score: 2

9:31pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Almeda11 says...

TheaWells wrote:
"He managed to restrain it for about five minutes until passers-by helped hold down the animal before police were called. " Where was the owner? Where was the parent of the child? Where were the other adults around the playground? How comes it took him 5 minutes 'alone' holding the dog down before police were called? Something is missing here or the Echo have reported it wrong.
That thought crossed my mind too !!
[quote][p][bold]TheaWells[/bold] wrote: "He managed to restrain it for about five minutes until passers-by helped hold down the animal before police were called. " Where was the owner? Where was the parent of the child? Where were the other adults around the playground? How comes it took him 5 minutes 'alone' holding the dog down before police were called? Something is missing here or the Echo have reported it wrong.[/p][/quote]That thought crossed my mind too !! Almeda11
  • Score: 1

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