Disappointment for Port of Tilbury as shippers move business to new superport

Southend Standard: Port of Tilbury Port of Tilbury

TWO of the Port of Tilbury's key customers have announced they are moving "some" of their services over to London Gateway.

The two container shipping lines, Hamburg-Sud and Hapag-Lloyd, made the announcement by customer notification to the Port of Tilbury on Friday.

The firms told Forth Ports, who own the Port of Tilbury, that they need to use bigger vessels, which Tilbury are unable to accommodate.

The pair will begin using London Gateway, built to accommodate the biggest vessels in the world, from May this year.

A spokesman for Forth Ports, owner of the Port of Tilbury, said: "Clearly we are very disappointed that Hamburg Sud and Hapag-Lloyd have decided to move some of their services from Tilbury.

"We worked hard with them to retain these services at London Container Terminal but we understand their decision was driven by their need to utilise larger vessels.

Southend Standard: ship alongside at London Gateway

London Gateway, which opened earlier this year.

"Both Tilbury and LCT have a number of strengths in particular in the short-sea European and African market as well as feeder and niche markets. We will focus our efforts on a number of opportunities we are pursuing in these growing markets."

London Gateway has now successfully poached three of Tilbury's customers in the last year. In August last year, DP World announced it had reached an agreement with Southern Africa Express Container Service.

 

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8:15am Mon 27 Jan 14

Bernard 87 says...

Common sense would tell you that if you allow a larger, better equipped dock to open up down stream from an existing facility it will eventually render the older port useless. When Tilbury opened it immediately took business away from the London docklands.

This is a case of history repeating itself.
Common sense would tell you that if you allow a larger, better equipped dock to open up down stream from an existing facility it will eventually render the older port useless. When Tilbury opened it immediately took business away from the London docklands. This is a case of history repeating itself. Bernard 87
  • Score: 42

10:20am Mon 27 Jan 14

You'dfeelbetterforknowingthat says...

Really, as if Tilbury didn't know, D/P world has huge cost saving measures for the first 2 years, making them hugely popular with the big container shipping firms.Tilbury will slowly decline, as it's had her day, the move forward, has to be the fast turn around of vessels, and improved unloading capabilities.
Really, as if Tilbury didn't know, D/P world has huge cost saving measures for the first 2 years, making them hugely popular with the big container shipping firms.Tilbury will slowly decline, as it's had her day, the move forward, has to be the fast turn around of vessels, and improved unloading capabilities. You'dfeelbetterforknowingthat
  • Score: 10

10:34am Mon 27 Jan 14

OckendonPaul says...

As long as the jobs are transferred too...
As long as the jobs are transferred too... OckendonPaul
  • Score: 10

10:36am Mon 27 Jan 14

ChockHead says...

DP World Driving down Dockers pay and conditions across the globe.Poor old Tilbury Dockers will soon be lining up outside the gates of London Gateway vying for a shift or two...
DP World Driving down Dockers pay and conditions across the globe.Poor old Tilbury Dockers will soon be lining up outside the gates of London Gateway vying for a shift or two... ChockHead
  • Score: 0

10:57am Mon 27 Jan 14

Vange Resident says...

Tilbury should have invested in the future, clearly they thought they could keep treating everyone badly and everything would be ok!
All those working in Tilbury port will NOT move across they will be made redundant and they will have to apply to work at DP World. Tilbury docks will be like our high streets slowly vanish, I give it 5 years if it doesn’t spend some money to keep the business or it will become Quayside apartments.
Tilbury should have invested in the future, clearly they thought they could keep treating everyone badly and everything would be ok! All those working in Tilbury port will NOT move across they will be made redundant and they will have to apply to work at DP World. Tilbury docks will be like our high streets slowly vanish, I give it 5 years if it doesn’t spend some money to keep the business or it will become Quayside apartments. Vange Resident
  • Score: 13

11:07am Mon 27 Jan 14

You'dfeelbetterforknowingthat says...

OckendonPaul wrote:
As long as the jobs are transferred too...
I know they will be looking for a new canvas at D/P world, not a bunch of militant union dockers.
[quote][p][bold]OckendonPaul[/bold] wrote: As long as the jobs are transferred too...[/p][/quote]I know they will be looking for a new canvas at D/P world, not a bunch of militant union dockers. You'dfeelbetterforknowingthat
  • Score: 5

11:10am Mon 27 Jan 14

You'dfeelbetterforknowingthat says...

Vange Resident wrote:
Tilbury should have invested in the future, clearly they thought they could keep treating everyone badly and everything would be ok!
All those working in Tilbury port will NOT move across they will be made redundant and they will have to apply to work at DP World. Tilbury docks will be like our high streets slowly vanish, I give it 5 years if it doesn’t spend some money to keep the business or it will become Quayside apartments.
Bit late for that, the London gateway will dominate the container ports in the South UK, tilbury will suffer firstly the inevitable decline in business, leading to job losses, that in turn will reduce efficiency, making D/P world more attractive, sewing the seeds of doom, for Tilbury
[quote][p][bold]Vange Resident[/bold] wrote: Tilbury should have invested in the future, clearly they thought they could keep treating everyone badly and everything would be ok! All those working in Tilbury port will NOT move across they will be made redundant and they will have to apply to work at DP World. Tilbury docks will be like our high streets slowly vanish, I give it 5 years if it doesn’t spend some money to keep the business or it will become Quayside apartments.[/p][/quote]Bit late for that, the London gateway will dominate the container ports in the South UK, tilbury will suffer firstly the inevitable decline in business, leading to job losses, that in turn will reduce efficiency, making D/P world more attractive, sewing the seeds of doom, for Tilbury You'dfeelbetterforknowingthat
  • Score: 0

11:15am Mon 27 Jan 14

You'dfeelbetterforknowingthat says...

Bernard 87 wrote:
Common sense would tell you that if you allow a larger, better equipped dock to open up down stream from an existing facility it will eventually render the older port useless. When Tilbury opened it immediately took business away from the London docklands.

This is a case of history repeating itself.
I dont expect consideration was given back then, to the business taken to Tilbury from The London docks, just as there will be little sympathy towards Tilbury, once D/P world start in earnest, to provide one of the fastest turn around ports in the UK, taking on new staff, eradicating any imported bad apples from Tilbury.
[quote][p][bold]Bernard 87[/bold] wrote: Common sense would tell you that if you allow a larger, better equipped dock to open up down stream from an existing facility it will eventually render the older port useless. When Tilbury opened it immediately took business away from the London docklands. This is a case of history repeating itself.[/p][/quote]I dont expect consideration was given back then, to the business taken to Tilbury from The London docks, just as there will be little sympathy towards Tilbury, once D/P world start in earnest, to provide one of the fastest turn around ports in the UK, taking on new staff, eradicating any imported bad apples from Tilbury. You'dfeelbetterforknowingthat
  • Score: 1

11:24am Mon 27 Jan 14

Howard Cháse says...

Never mind. Once Tilbury docks closes as aresult they can build all the houses the area needs on the site......
Never mind. Once Tilbury docks closes as aresult they can build all the houses the area needs on the site...... Howard Cháse
  • Score: 4

11:31am Mon 27 Jan 14

You'dfeelbetterforknowingthat says...

Howard Cháse wrote:
Never mind. Once Tilbury docks closes as aresult they can build all the houses the area needs on the site......
Yes though not affordable housing, the beauty being the land will be sold for next to nothing, with luxury waterfront apartments going for a fortune, the estates will go ahead as already planned, on the small pockets of under used green field sites all around, South east of Brentwood, towards the boundaries of Leigh.
[quote][p][bold]Howard Cháse[/bold] wrote: Never mind. Once Tilbury docks closes as aresult they can build all the houses the area needs on the site......[/p][/quote]Yes though not affordable housing, the beauty being the land will be sold for next to nothing, with luxury waterfront apartments going for a fortune, the estates will go ahead as already planned, on the small pockets of under used green field sites all around, South east of Brentwood, towards the boundaries of Leigh. You'dfeelbetterforknowingthat
  • Score: 2

12:06pm Mon 27 Jan 14

DannyK86 says...

You'dfeelbetterforkn
owingthat
wrote:
Howard Cháse wrote:
Never mind. Once Tilbury docks closes as aresult they can build all the houses the area needs on the site......
Yes though not affordable housing, the beauty being the land will be sold for next to nothing, with luxury waterfront apartments going for a fortune, the estates will go ahead as already planned, on the small pockets of under used green field sites all around, South east of Brentwood, towards the boundaries of Leigh.
I doubt they'll go for a fortune... it is Tilbury, at the end of the day! It's not like the waterfront flats in Purfleet are particularly pricey...
[quote][p][bold]You'dfeelbetterforkn owingthat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Howard Cháse[/bold] wrote: Never mind. Once Tilbury docks closes as aresult they can build all the houses the area needs on the site......[/p][/quote]Yes though not affordable housing, the beauty being the land will be sold for next to nothing, with luxury waterfront apartments going for a fortune, the estates will go ahead as already planned, on the small pockets of under used green field sites all around, South east of Brentwood, towards the boundaries of Leigh.[/p][/quote]I doubt they'll go for a fortune... it is Tilbury, at the end of the day! It's not like the waterfront flats in Purfleet are particularly pricey... DannyK86
  • Score: 4

12:13pm Mon 27 Jan 14

You'dfeelbetterforknowingthat says...

DannyK86 wrote:
You'dfeelbetterforkn

owingthat
wrote:
Howard Cháse wrote:
Never mind. Once Tilbury docks closes as aresult they can build all the houses the area needs on the site......
Yes though not affordable housing, the beauty being the land will be sold for next to nothing, with luxury waterfront apartments going for a fortune, the estates will go ahead as already planned, on the small pockets of under used green field sites all around, South east of Brentwood, towards the boundaries of Leigh.
I doubt they'll go for a fortune... it is Tilbury, at the end of the day! It's not like the waterfront flats in Purfleet are particularly pricey...
Oh Purfleet, the jewel in the crown PMSL
[quote][p][bold]DannyK86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]You'dfeelbetterforkn owingthat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Howard Cháse[/bold] wrote: Never mind. Once Tilbury docks closes as aresult they can build all the houses the area needs on the site......[/p][/quote]Yes though not affordable housing, the beauty being the land will be sold for next to nothing, with luxury waterfront apartments going for a fortune, the estates will go ahead as already planned, on the small pockets of under used green field sites all around, South east of Brentwood, towards the boundaries of Leigh.[/p][/quote]I doubt they'll go for a fortune... it is Tilbury, at the end of the day! It's not like the waterfront flats in Purfleet are particularly pricey...[/p][/quote]Oh Purfleet, the jewel in the crown PMSL You'dfeelbetterforknowingthat
  • Score: 1

12:59pm Mon 27 Jan 14

WIFFEY says...

Could never understand why they started building on the old go kart track useing up more green belt land, when the docks was going to lose business.
The INNER Docks is a graveyard for old ships, 2 of which have been there over 7 years and the Cruise ship has been there for 2 years.
The docks approach road would be ideal for the river crossing putting a bridge from the filled in inner docks over to northfleet.
Could never understand why they started building on the old go kart track useing up more green belt land, when the docks was going to lose business. The INNER Docks is a graveyard for old ships, 2 of which have been there over 7 years and the Cruise ship has been there for 2 years. The docks approach road would be ideal for the river crossing putting a bridge from the filled in inner docks over to northfleet. WIFFEY
  • Score: 4

3:07pm Mon 27 Jan 14

You'dfeelbetterforknowingthat says...

WIFFEY wrote:
Could never understand why they started building on the old go kart track useing up more green belt land, when the docks was going to lose business.
The INNER Docks is a graveyard for old ships, 2 of which have been there over 7 years and the Cruise ship has been there for 2 years.
The docks approach road would be ideal for the river crossing putting a bridge from the filled in inner docks over to northfleet.
YAWN.........
[quote][p][bold]WIFFEY[/bold] wrote: Could never understand why they started building on the old go kart track useing up more green belt land, when the docks was going to lose business. The INNER Docks is a graveyard for old ships, 2 of which have been there over 7 years and the Cruise ship has been there for 2 years. The docks approach road would be ideal for the river crossing putting a bridge from the filled in inner docks over to northfleet.[/p][/quote]YAWN......... You'dfeelbetterforknowingthat
  • Score: -11

5:02pm Mon 27 Jan 14

John T Pharro says...

You do wonder when politicians trumpet the new port for providing thousand of jobs, but unless they are new jobs then you are just shifting the same jobs around. The other questions is will the new port employers offer better or worse employment terms?
You do wonder when politicians trumpet the new port for providing thousand of jobs, but unless they are new jobs then you are just shifting the same jobs around. The other questions is will the new port employers offer better or worse employment terms? John T Pharro
  • Score: 6

5:06pm Mon 27 Jan 14

jolllyboy says...

What did they expect. new kid on the block gets all the best advantages. Hold on and there will be some come back
What did they expect. new kid on the block gets all the best advantages. Hold on and there will be some come back jolllyboy
  • Score: 0

5:16pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Voice from the past says...

Clearing the way for a new river crossing ?
Clearing the way for a new river crossing ? Voice from the past
  • Score: -1

5:25pm Mon 27 Jan 14

You'dfeelbetterforknowingthat says...

Voice from the past wrote:
Clearing the way for a new river crossing ?
Would be the ideal location, if it hadn't already been earmarked for exclusive river front houses.
[quote][p][bold]Voice from the past[/bold] wrote: Clearing the way for a new river crossing ?[/p][/quote]Would be the ideal location, if it hadn't already been earmarked for exclusive river front houses. You'dfeelbetterforknowingthat
  • Score: -3

7:16pm Mon 27 Jan 14

ISUPPORTSOUTHENDAIRPORT says...

This is only as start. The south African service partly operated by maersk, will no doubt consider moving from felixstowe. MSC another big operator for felixstowe will look at gateway having already put 1 vessel in. Hyundia have already prepered a full report of viability watch this space
This is only as start. The south African service partly operated by maersk, will no doubt consider moving from felixstowe. MSC another big operator for felixstowe will look at gateway having already put 1 vessel in. Hyundia have already prepered a full report of viability watch this space ISUPPORTSOUTHENDAIRPORT
  • Score: 0

12:58am Tue 28 Jan 14

ChockHead says...

John T Pharro wrote:
You do wonder when politicians trumpet the new port for providing thousand of jobs, but unless they are new jobs then you are just shifting the same jobs around. The other questions is will the new port employers offer better or worse employment terms?
Bingo!
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: You do wonder when politicians trumpet the new port for providing thousand of jobs, but unless they are new jobs then you are just shifting the same jobs around. The other questions is will the new port employers offer better or worse employment terms?[/p][/quote]Bingo! ChockHead
  • Score: 1

9:14am Tue 28 Jan 14

Vange Resident says...

Clearly a lot of new jobs will be made but also lots of old jobs moved across, lots of hard working people will be made redundant by the port of Tilbury, there arrogance and non-forward thinking has put them out of business, DP World was always going to win this battle purely because those who run Tilbury port don’t care about the future of this facility. Shame.
Clearly a lot of new jobs will be made but also lots of old jobs moved across, lots of hard working people will be made redundant by the port of Tilbury, there arrogance and non-forward thinking has put them out of business, DP World was always going to win this battle purely because those who run Tilbury port don’t care about the future of this facility. Shame. Vange Resident
  • Score: 2

2:25pm Tue 28 Jan 14

iknowbetter says...

DannyK86 wrote:
You'dfeelbetterforkn

owingthat
wrote:
Howard Cháse wrote:
Never mind. Once Tilbury docks closes as aresult they can build all the houses the area needs on the site......
Yes though not affordable housing, the beauty being the land will be sold for next to nothing, with luxury waterfront apartments going for a fortune, the estates will go ahead as already planned, on the small pockets of under used green field sites all around, South east of Brentwood, towards the boundaries of Leigh.
I doubt they'll go for a fortune... it is Tilbury, at the end of the day! It's not like the waterfront flats in Purfleet are particularly pricey...
They said that about Bow, Hackney and Canning Town, try buying an affordable home there now, I have a place in Hackney and Canning Town and they are both worth 2 times what I paid for them only 7 years ago and we are supposed to be in a housing slump. Purfleet wont be any different.
[quote][p][bold]DannyK86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]You'dfeelbetterforkn owingthat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Howard Cháse[/bold] wrote: Never mind. Once Tilbury docks closes as aresult they can build all the houses the area needs on the site......[/p][/quote]Yes though not affordable housing, the beauty being the land will be sold for next to nothing, with luxury waterfront apartments going for a fortune, the estates will go ahead as already planned, on the small pockets of under used green field sites all around, South east of Brentwood, towards the boundaries of Leigh.[/p][/quote]I doubt they'll go for a fortune... it is Tilbury, at the end of the day! It's not like the waterfront flats in Purfleet are particularly pricey...[/p][/quote]They said that about Bow, Hackney and Canning Town, try buying an affordable home there now, I have a place in Hackney and Canning Town and they are both worth 2 times what I paid for them only 7 years ago and we are supposed to be in a housing slump. Purfleet wont be any different. iknowbetter
  • Score: 0

10:28pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Letmetryagain says...

ISUPPORTSOUTHENDAIRP
ORT
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This is only as start. The south African service partly operated by maersk, will no doubt consider moving from felixstowe. MSC another big operator for felixstowe will look at gateway having already put 1 vessel in. Hyundia have already prepered a full report of viability watch this space
At least that would have the effect of reducing the HGV traffic on the A12.
[quote][p][bold]ISUPPORTSOUTHENDAIRP ORT[/bold] wrote: This is only as start. The south African service partly operated by maersk, will no doubt consider moving from felixstowe. MSC another big operator for felixstowe will look at gateway having already put 1 vessel in. Hyundia have already prepered a full report of viability watch this space[/p][/quote]At least that would have the effect of reducing the HGV traffic on the A12. Letmetryagain
  • Score: 0

9:50am Wed 29 Jan 14

ChockHead says...

Im not sure how much business DP world can win off Felixstowe but one things for certain as Gateway comes on line the biding war for costumers is going to heat up.,Felixstowe is closer to all the major European Hub ports its closer to the Sunk pioltage station,they put over 40% of containers on rail which reduces turn around delivery times and this number is bound to increase as they've just built another mega rail terminus and are in now dueling there rail lanes that connect with the national network.they are also bringing the second phase of there FSR expansion forward with work starting before the end of the year,With the size of the vessels these two big hitters can deal with the cost of Importing exporting a shipping container from the UK is going to come tumbling down.
Im not sure how much business DP world can win off Felixstowe but one things for certain as Gateway comes on line the biding war for costumers is going to heat up.,Felixstowe is closer to all the major European Hub ports its closer to the Sunk pioltage station,they put over 40% of containers on rail which reduces turn around delivery times and this number is bound to increase as they've just built another mega rail terminus and are in now dueling there rail lanes that connect with the national network.they are also bringing the second phase of there FSR expansion forward with work starting before the end of the year,With the size of the vessels these two big hitters can deal with the cost of Importing exporting a shipping container from the UK is going to come tumbling down. ChockHead
  • Score: 0

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