Mental health nurses to help police in south Essex

Southend Standard: Mental health nurses to help police in south Essex Mental health nurses to help police in south Essex

MENTAL health nurses are to be posted in police stations and courts in a bid to reduce reoffending by mentally ill criminals.

The £25 million pilot scheme, which is to be tested in 10 areas across England, will mean that people with mental health problems are treated "as early as possible", care and support minister Norman Lamb said.

Identifying people with mental health needs who come into contact with the criminal justice system at the earliest possible stage will help to "divert" them away from offending again, Mr Lamb said.

He said that "too often" criminals with mental health problems, learning difficulties or substance misuse issues are only diagnosed once they reach prison.

The majority of people who end up in prison have a mental health problem, a substance misuse problem or a learning disability, and one in four has a severe mental health illness such as depression or psychosis, a Department of Health spokeswoman said.

Over the next year, the money will be used to join up police and courts systems with mental health services in Merseyside, London, Avon and Wiltshire, Leicester, Sussex, Dorset, Sunderland and Middlesbrough, Coventry, south Essex and Wakefield.

Mentally ill people as well as those with substance abuse problems and learning disabilities, will be assessed when they come into contact with police. The information will be shared with officers and the courts system to ensure charging and sentencing decisions take into consideration a person's health needs, the spokeswoman said.

It will also mean treatment is given sooner which will help stop reoffending, she added.

If the pilot is successful, the measure will be rolled out across the rest of the country by 2017.

Mr Lamb said: "We want to help them get the right support and treatment as early as possible. Diverting the individual away from offending and helping to reduce the risk of more victims suffering due to further offences benefits everyone.

"That's why we are investing £25 million for liaison and diversion services at police services and courts across the country. These will help identify when someone in a police station or involved in court proceedings who has mental health problems are referred to the right mental health services and are given the help and support they need."

Policing minister Damian Green said: "Police officers should be focused on fighting crimes and people with mental health conditions should get the care they need as early as possible.

"These pilots will not only ensure that happens but in the longer term will help drive down reoffending by individuals who, with the right kind of treatment, can recover fully."

The move follows a similar scheme which sees nurses on patrol alongside police officers in a bid to improve responses to mental health emergencies.

Street triage teams are being tested across police forces in North Yorkshire, Devon and Cornwall, Sussex, Derbyshire, West Yorkshire, the West Midlands, Thames Valley and London, as well as British Transport Police.

As well as supporting police on patrol, the mental health nurses also assist officers when they are responding to emergency calls and give advice to staff in police control rooms.

The pilot mimics schemes already established in Leicestershire and Cleveland, which have shown that having nurses on hand can help to reduce the number of mentally ill people taken into custody and reduces demands on police time.

It has been estimated that police officers spend 15% to 25% of their time dealing with mental health problems - the equivalent of around 26,000 officers.

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1:12am Sat 4 Jan 14

Kim Gandy says...

....and what are they doing loose on the streets in the first place. If they're mentally ill and dangerous they should be under lock and key.

Pathetic.
....and what are they doing loose on the streets in the first place. If they're mentally ill and dangerous they should be under lock and key. Pathetic. Kim Gandy

6:09am Sat 4 Jan 14

Nowthatsworthknowing says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
....and what are they doing loose on the streets in the first place. If they're mentally ill and dangerous they should be under lock and key.

Pathetic.
Cara in the community, now that's a real can of worms.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: ....and what are they doing loose on the streets in the first place. If they're mentally ill and dangerous they should be under lock and key. Pathetic.[/p][/quote]Cara in the community, now that's a real can of worms. Nowthatsworthknowing

6:26am Sat 4 Jan 14

sazza73 says...

who said they were dangerous ??? idiot
who said they were dangerous ??? idiot sazza73

6:34am Sat 4 Jan 14

heartbeat says...

So if someone gets arrested and declares they are feeling depressed they are likely to be treated with kid gloves? This sounds like a way to massage crime figures and justify cutting down on expensive prison places to me.

Mental health professionals who have read "how to diagnose mental health" text books versus wily criminals who have also read the books/internet articles and know how to behave to get their diagnosis and avoid prison....not much contest!

If the mental health professionals involved were all seasoned pros with years and years of "how-not-to-have-the
-wool-pulled-over-yo
ur-eyes" training and experience and their observations/diagnos
es are evaluated in conjunction with the lifestyle the accused has been living up until arrest it could be credible, but what's the betting it will be done on the cheap with crime figures duly massaged with expensive prison places being cut.
So if someone gets arrested and declares they are feeling depressed they are likely to be treated with kid gloves? This sounds like a way to massage crime figures and justify cutting down on expensive prison places to me. Mental health professionals who have read "how to diagnose mental health" text books versus wily criminals who have also read the books/internet articles and know how to behave to get their diagnosis and avoid prison....not much contest! If the mental health professionals involved were all seasoned pros with years and years of "how-not-to-have-the -wool-pulled-over-yo ur-eyes" training and experience and their observations/diagnos es are evaluated in conjunction with the lifestyle the accused has been living up until arrest it could be credible, but what's the betting it will be done on the cheap with crime figures duly massaged with expensive prison places being cut. heartbeat

7:15am Sat 4 Jan 14

Richy don't shine shoes no more says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
....and what are they doing loose on the streets in the first place. If they're mentally ill and dangerous they should be under lock and key.

Pathetic.
I wouldn't talk
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: ....and what are they doing loose on the streets in the first place. If they're mentally ill and dangerous they should be under lock and key. Pathetic.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't talk Richy don't shine shoes no more

9:27am Sat 4 Jan 14

LastIaugh,,. says...

I am not mental, nor am I a criminal, it's a lifestyle choice and cultural thing and if anyone says otherwise, I shall make a note of it. (For later)

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9:34am Sat 4 Jan 14

Nebs says...

Have you heard, Waddingtons are going to change the cards in Monopoly. The new card will be 'You have been convicted of burglary, collect £50 from each player, but pay a £20 victim surcharge'. It will replace the 'Get Out Of Jail Free' card, which has been withdrawn as nobody gets sent to jail anymore.
Have you heard, Waddingtons are going to change the cards in Monopoly. The new card will be 'You have been convicted of burglary, collect £50 from each player, but pay a £20 victim surcharge'. It will replace the 'Get Out Of Jail Free' card, which has been withdrawn as nobody gets sent to jail anymore. Nebs

12:39pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Hannah Foster says...

So what about the people with mental health problems who are not coming into contact with the police? They are just ignored. As usual in this society if you try and do the right thing you get no support what so ever. The local mental health teams can't cope with the people already on their books. What about providing some proper funding for all people with mental health issues, maybe then people won't end up in such a state where they need to come into contact with the legal system. Or another way of looking at this, if you are struggling with your mental health go and commit crime then you might get some help!
So what about the people with mental health problems who are not coming into contact with the police? They are just ignored. As usual in this society if you try and do the right thing you get no support what so ever. The local mental health teams can't cope with the people already on their books. What about providing some proper funding for all people with mental health issues, maybe then people won't end up in such a state where they need to come into contact with the legal system. Or another way of looking at this, if you are struggling with your mental health go and commit crime then you might get some help! Hannah Foster

1:01pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Nowthatsworthknowing says...

Hannah Foster wrote:
So what about the people with mental health problems who are not coming into contact with the police? They are just ignored. As usual in this society if you try and do the right thing you get no support what so ever. The local mental health teams can't cope with the people already on their books. What about providing some proper funding for all people with mental health issues, maybe then people won't end up in such a state where they need to come into contact with the legal system. Or another way of looking at this, if you are struggling with your mental health go and commit crime then you might get some help!
AnD yOuR pOiNt Is ?
[quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: So what about the people with mental health problems who are not coming into contact with the police? They are just ignored. As usual in this society if you try and do the right thing you get no support what so ever. The local mental health teams can't cope with the people already on their books. What about providing some proper funding for all people with mental health issues, maybe then people won't end up in such a state where they need to come into contact with the legal system. Or another way of looking at this, if you are struggling with your mental health go and commit crime then you might get some help![/p][/quote]AnD yOuR pOiNt Is ? Nowthatsworthknowing

3:08pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Hannah Foster says...

Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
Hannah Foster wrote:
So what about the people with mental health problems who are not coming into contact with the police? They are just ignored. As usual in this society if you try and do the right thing you get no support what so ever. The local mental health teams can't cope with the people already on their books. What about providing some proper funding for all people with mental health issues, maybe then people won't end up in such a state where they need to come into contact with the legal system. Or another way of looking at this, if you are struggling with your mental health go and commit crime then you might get some help!
AnD yOuR pOiNt Is ?
Provide proper care and support for people with mental health problems before they end up in crisis and come to the attention of police and don't ignore those that do not end up in the police cells. Believe me we do exist, we are not all dangerous monsters that need locking up. Is that clear enough for you?
[quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: So what about the people with mental health problems who are not coming into contact with the police? They are just ignored. As usual in this society if you try and do the right thing you get no support what so ever. The local mental health teams can't cope with the people already on their books. What about providing some proper funding for all people with mental health issues, maybe then people won't end up in such a state where they need to come into contact with the legal system. Or another way of looking at this, if you are struggling with your mental health go and commit crime then you might get some help![/p][/quote]AnD yOuR pOiNt Is ?[/p][/quote]Provide proper care and support for people with mental health problems before they end up in crisis and come to the attention of police and don't ignore those that do not end up in the police cells. Believe me we do exist, we are not all dangerous monsters that need locking up. Is that clear enough for you? Hannah Foster

5:41pm Sat 4 Jan 14

LoopyLou88 says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
....and what are they doing loose on the streets in the first place. If they're mentally ill and dangerous they should be under lock and key.

Pathetic.
its comments like yours that don't help - i have anxiety - am i dangerous ? anxiety is still a MH problem - does that make me dangerous ?
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: ....and what are they doing loose on the streets in the first place. If they're mentally ill and dangerous they should be under lock and key. Pathetic.[/p][/quote]its comments like yours that don't help - i have anxiety - am i dangerous ? anxiety is still a MH problem - does that make me dangerous ? LoopyLou88

6:55pm Sat 4 Jan 14

live for today says...

Why is it people that have been in court before have been told they not in the mental state to kno. What they are doing so the judge said they can't sentence them but instead of them being pur in hospital to stop it yapping again gets a slap on the risk and basically allowed to still haress people if the system is correctly put in place so only people who are severely ill get help my mmental health team and others can't get out of precision then ok but there needs to be a policy for the ill offenders as we are all human beings and ok they might need to go some where different but they should still be punished for there crimes and if half the mental health worker. Are working with police what about non offenders that ask for help as its hard enough to get it now
Why is it people that have been in court before have been told they not in the mental state to kno. What they are doing so the judge said they can't sentence them but instead of them being pur in hospital to stop it yapping again gets a slap on the risk and basically allowed to still haress people if the system is correctly put in place so only people who are severely ill get help my mmental health team and others can't get out of precision then ok but there needs to be a policy for the ill offenders as we are all human beings and ok they might need to go some where different but they should still be punished for there crimes and if half the mental health worker. Are working with police what about non offenders that ask for help as its hard enough to get it now live for today

7:00pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Nowthatsworthknowing says...

Hannah Foster wrote:
Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
Hannah Foster wrote:
So what about the people with mental health problems who are not coming into contact with the police? They are just ignored. As usual in this society if you try and do the right thing you get no support what so ever. The local mental health teams can't cope with the people already on their books. What about providing some proper funding for all people with mental health issues, maybe then people won't end up in such a state where they need to come into contact with the legal system. Or another way of looking at this, if you are struggling with your mental health go and commit crime then you might get some help!
AnD yOuR pOiNt Is ?
Provide proper care and support for people with mental health problems before they end up in crisis and come to the attention of police and don't ignore those that do not end up in the police cells. Believe me we do exist, we are not all dangerous monsters that need locking up. Is that clear enough for you?
No
[quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: So what about the people with mental health problems who are not coming into contact with the police? They are just ignored. As usual in this society if you try and do the right thing you get no support what so ever. The local mental health teams can't cope with the people already on their books. What about providing some proper funding for all people with mental health issues, maybe then people won't end up in such a state where they need to come into contact with the legal system. Or another way of looking at this, if you are struggling with your mental health go and commit crime then you might get some help![/p][/quote]AnD yOuR pOiNt Is ?[/p][/quote]Provide proper care and support for people with mental health problems before they end up in crisis and come to the attention of police and don't ignore those that do not end up in the police cells. Believe me we do exist, we are not all dangerous monsters that need locking up. Is that clear enough for you?[/p][/quote]No Nowthatsworthknowing

7:08pm Sat 4 Jan 14

InTheKnowOk says...

Nebs wrote:
Have you heard, Waddingtons are going to change the cards in Monopoly. The new card will be 'You have been convicted of burglary, collect £50 from each player, but pay a £20 victim surcharge'. It will replace the 'Get Out Of Jail Free' card, which has been withdrawn as nobody gets sent to jail anymore.
Boss comment lol
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: Have you heard, Waddingtons are going to change the cards in Monopoly. The new card will be 'You have been convicted of burglary, collect £50 from each player, but pay a £20 victim surcharge'. It will replace the 'Get Out Of Jail Free' card, which has been withdrawn as nobody gets sent to jail anymore.[/p][/quote]Boss comment lol InTheKnowOk

7:42pm Sat 4 Jan 14

live for today says...

LoopyLou88 wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
....and what are they doing loose on the streets in the first place. If they're mentally ill and dangerous they should be under lock and key.

Pathetic.
its comments like yours that don't help - i have anxiety - am i dangerous ? anxiety is still a MH problem - does that make me dangerous ?
Well people with mental health are not dangerous stall if given the right support and unfortunately the ones that do get known for being dangerous give every one health with a mh problem a bad name because to many people stereotype maybe before they invest all there money in to police they need too look at all the ones in desperate need as mh gets worse if not helped but can be controlled with right support
[quote][p][bold]LoopyLou88[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: ....and what are they doing loose on the streets in the first place. If they're mentally ill and dangerous they should be under lock and key. Pathetic.[/p][/quote]its comments like yours that don't help - i have anxiety - am i dangerous ? anxiety is still a MH problem - does that make me dangerous ?[/p][/quote]Well people with mental health are not dangerous stall if given the right support and unfortunately the ones that do get known for being dangerous give every one health with a mh problem a bad name because to many people stereotype maybe before they invest all there money in to police they need too look at all the ones in desperate need as mh gets worse if not helped but can be controlled with right support live for today

8:01pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Hannah Foster says...

Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
Hannah Foster wrote:
Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
Hannah Foster wrote:
So what about the people with mental health problems who are not coming into contact with the police? They are just ignored. As usual in this society if you try and do the right thing you get no support what so ever. The local mental health teams can't cope with the people already on their books. What about providing some proper funding for all people with mental health issues, maybe then people won't end up in such a state where they need to come into contact with the legal system. Or another way of looking at this, if you are struggling with your mental health go and commit crime then you might get some help!
AnD yOuR pOiNt Is ?
Provide proper care and support for people with mental health problems before they end up in crisis and come to the attention of police and don't ignore those that do not end up in the police cells. Believe me we do exist, we are not all dangerous monsters that need locking up. Is that clear enough for you?
No
Having read some of your previous contributions I would say that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!
[quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: So what about the people with mental health problems who are not coming into contact with the police? They are just ignored. As usual in this society if you try and do the right thing you get no support what so ever. The local mental health teams can't cope with the people already on their books. What about providing some proper funding for all people with mental health issues, maybe then people won't end up in such a state where they need to come into contact with the legal system. Or another way of looking at this, if you are struggling with your mental health go and commit crime then you might get some help![/p][/quote]AnD yOuR pOiNt Is ?[/p][/quote]Provide proper care and support for people with mental health problems before they end up in crisis and come to the attention of police and don't ignore those that do not end up in the police cells. Believe me we do exist, we are not all dangerous monsters that need locking up. Is that clear enough for you?[/p][/quote]No[/p][/quote]Having read some of your previous contributions I would say that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones! Hannah Foster

8:10pm Sat 4 Jan 14

yagetme says...

Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
Hannah Foster wrote:
Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
Hannah Foster wrote:
So what about the people with mental health problems who are not coming into contact with the police? They are just ignored. As usual in this society if you try and do the right thing you get no support what so ever. The local mental health teams can't cope with the people already on their books. What about providing some proper funding for all people with mental health issues, maybe then people won't end up in such a state where they need to come into contact with the legal system. Or another way of looking at this, if you are struggling with your mental health go and commit crime then you might get some help!
AnD yOuR pOiNt Is ?
Provide proper care and support for people with mental health problems before they end up in crisis and come to the attention of police and don't ignore those that do not end up in the police cells. Believe me we do exist, we are not all dangerous monsters that need locking up. Is that clear enough for you?
No
need your bum wiping again?
[quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: So what about the people with mental health problems who are not coming into contact with the police? They are just ignored. As usual in this society if you try and do the right thing you get no support what so ever. The local mental health teams can't cope with the people already on their books. What about providing some proper funding for all people with mental health issues, maybe then people won't end up in such a state where they need to come into contact with the legal system. Or another way of looking at this, if you are struggling with your mental health go and commit crime then you might get some help![/p][/quote]AnD yOuR pOiNt Is ?[/p][/quote]Provide proper care and support for people with mental health problems before they end up in crisis and come to the attention of police and don't ignore those that do not end up in the police cells. Believe me we do exist, we are not all dangerous monsters that need locking up. Is that clear enough for you?[/p][/quote]No[/p][/quote]need your bum wiping again? yagetme

3:07pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Nowthatsworthknowing says...

Hannah Foster wrote:
So what about the people with mental health problems who are not coming into contact with the police? They are just ignored. As usual in this society if you try and do the right thing you get no support what so ever. The local mental health teams can't cope with the people already on their books. What about providing some proper funding for all people with mental health issues, maybe then people won't end up in such a state where they need to come into contact with the legal system. Or another way of looking at this, if you are struggling with your mental health go and commit crime then you might get some help!
Just remember a lot if not all of these mental health issues are self inflicted, through use of alcohol and drugs, the latter are so expensive, that crime is the only way to obtain them. Caught enough times they end up in jail.
It's no good them then crying in their slop buckets, about hard done by, there were.
[quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: So what about the people with mental health problems who are not coming into contact with the police? They are just ignored. As usual in this society if you try and do the right thing you get no support what so ever. The local mental health teams can't cope with the people already on their books. What about providing some proper funding for all people with mental health issues, maybe then people won't end up in such a state where they need to come into contact with the legal system. Or another way of looking at this, if you are struggling with your mental health go and commit crime then you might get some help![/p][/quote]Just remember a lot if not all of these mental health issues are self inflicted, through use of alcohol and drugs, the latter are so expensive, that crime is the only way to obtain them. Caught enough times they end up in jail. It's no good them then crying in their slop buckets, about hard done by, there were. Nowthatsworthknowing

3:56pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Hannah Foster says...

Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
Hannah Foster wrote:
So what about the people with mental health problems who are not coming into contact with the police? They are just ignored. As usual in this society if you try and do the right thing you get no support what so ever. The local mental health teams can't cope with the people already on their books. What about providing some proper funding for all people with mental health issues, maybe then people won't end up in such a state where they need to come into contact with the legal system. Or another way of looking at this, if you are struggling with your mental health go and commit crime then you might get some help!
Just remember a lot if not all of these mental health issues are self inflicted, through use of alcohol and drugs, the latter are so expensive, that crime is the only way to obtain them. Caught enough times they end up in jail.
It's no good them then crying in their slop buckets, about hard done by, there were.
And some people suffer from mental health problems because they have suffered horrific emotional, physical, and sexual abuse. You are showing your true colours now, what an absolutely ignorant thing to say. The only drugs I have ever taken have been prescribed by a doctor but I did suffer from sexual abuse from the age of six to fourteen and as a consequence I suffer from post traumatic stress and severe depression. I find it very difficult to trust people, I am very suspicious of people's motivation and my mental health problems have caused me a lifetime of pain and distress. Everyone has their story and I think many people will be greatly offended by your crass, thoughtless statement .
[quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: So what about the people with mental health problems who are not coming into contact with the police? They are just ignored. As usual in this society if you try and do the right thing you get no support what so ever. The local mental health teams can't cope with the people already on their books. What about providing some proper funding for all people with mental health issues, maybe then people won't end up in such a state where they need to come into contact with the legal system. Or another way of looking at this, if you are struggling with your mental health go and commit crime then you might get some help![/p][/quote]Just remember a lot if not all of these mental health issues are self inflicted, through use of alcohol and drugs, the latter are so expensive, that crime is the only way to obtain them. Caught enough times they end up in jail. It's no good them then crying in their slop buckets, about hard done by, there were.[/p][/quote]And some people suffer from mental health problems because they have suffered horrific emotional, physical, and sexual abuse. You are showing your true colours now, what an absolutely ignorant thing to say. The only drugs I have ever taken have been prescribed by a doctor but I did suffer from sexual abuse from the age of six to fourteen and as a consequence I suffer from post traumatic stress and severe depression. I find it very difficult to trust people, I am very suspicious of people's motivation and my mental health problems have caused me a lifetime of pain and distress. Everyone has their story and I think many people will be greatly offended by your crass, thoughtless statement . Hannah Foster

3:58pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Hannah Foster says...

Sometimes alcohol and drug abuse are merely a symptom of a bigger problem that has driven a person to despair. We are all people and all deserving of some humanity and compassion.
Sometimes alcohol and drug abuse are merely a symptom of a bigger problem that has driven a person to despair. We are all people and all deserving of some humanity and compassion. Hannah Foster

4:29pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Nowthatsworthknowing says...

Hannah Foster wrote:
Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
Hannah Foster wrote:
So what about the people with mental health problems who are not coming into contact with the police? They are just ignored. As usual in this society if you try and do the right thing you get no support what so ever. The local mental health teams can't cope with the people already on their books. What about providing some proper funding for all people with mental health issues, maybe then people won't end up in such a state where they need to come into contact with the legal system. Or another way of looking at this, if you are struggling with your mental health go and commit crime then you might get some help!
Just remember a lot if not all of these mental health issues are self inflicted, through use of alcohol and drugs, the latter are so expensive, that crime is the only way to obtain them. Caught enough times they end up in jail.
It's no good them then crying in their slop buckets, about hard done by, there were.
And some people suffer from mental health problems because they have suffered horrific emotional, physical, and sexual abuse. You are showing your true colours now, what an absolutely ignorant thing to say. The only drugs I have ever taken have been prescribed by a doctor but I did suffer from sexual abuse from the age of six to fourteen and as a consequence I suffer from post traumatic stress and severe depression. I find it very difficult to trust people, I am very suspicious of people's motivation and my mental health problems have caused me a lifetime of pain and distress. Everyone has their story and I think many people will be greatly offended by your crass, thoughtless statement .
Oh how the TRUTH hurts, hear you are looking for a cup of sympathy, defending this scum, offering your left hand, to these jail dwellers, take off your rose tinted jam jars, and remember why these people are in prison, multiple offences, and just what they have been caught for.
[quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: So what about the people with mental health problems who are not coming into contact with the police? They are just ignored. As usual in this society if you try and do the right thing you get no support what so ever. The local mental health teams can't cope with the people already on their books. What about providing some proper funding for all people with mental health issues, maybe then people won't end up in such a state where they need to come into contact with the legal system. Or another way of looking at this, if you are struggling with your mental health go and commit crime then you might get some help![/p][/quote]Just remember a lot if not all of these mental health issues are self inflicted, through use of alcohol and drugs, the latter are so expensive, that crime is the only way to obtain them. Caught enough times they end up in jail. It's no good them then crying in their slop buckets, about hard done by, there were.[/p][/quote]And some people suffer from mental health problems because they have suffered horrific emotional, physical, and sexual abuse. You are showing your true colours now, what an absolutely ignorant thing to say. The only drugs I have ever taken have been prescribed by a doctor but I did suffer from sexual abuse from the age of six to fourteen and as a consequence I suffer from post traumatic stress and severe depression. I find it very difficult to trust people, I am very suspicious of people's motivation and my mental health problems have caused me a lifetime of pain and distress. Everyone has their story and I think many people will be greatly offended by your crass, thoughtless statement .[/p][/quote]Oh how the TRUTH hurts, hear you are looking for a cup of sympathy, defending this scum, offering your left hand, to these jail dwellers, take off your rose tinted jam jars, and remember why these people are in prison, multiple offences, and just what they have been caught for. Nowthatsworthknowing

4:30pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Hannah Foster says...

Further to my other comments I would also like to point out that a lot of people end up in police cells having committed no crime whatsoever. They are detained under section for their own protection. This can be a highly distressing experience and I have no doubt frustrating for the police as they have very little training in how to care for a person in acute mental distress. If more resources were to be focused when people have the first signs of deteriorating mental health many of them would not end up coming to the attention of the police in any capacity. I find the ignorance of some people to be astounding. I can only hope that rather than intending to contribute to the discussion in a positive way that they are just spewing out their spiteful comments in a bid to get a reaction. At least if this is he case most people will see through the vitriol.
Further to my other comments I would also like to point out that a lot of people end up in police cells having committed no crime whatsoever. They are detained under section for their own protection. This can be a highly distressing experience and I have no doubt frustrating for the police as they have very little training in how to care for a person in acute mental distress. If more resources were to be focused when people have the first signs of deteriorating mental health many of them would not end up coming to the attention of the police in any capacity. I find the ignorance of some people to be astounding. I can only hope that rather than intending to contribute to the discussion in a positive way that they are just spewing out their spiteful comments in a bid to get a reaction. At least if this is he case most people will see through the vitriol. Hannah Foster

4:36pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Nowthatsworthknowing says...

Hannah Foster wrote:
Further to my other comments I would also like to point out that a lot of people end up in police cells having committed no crime whatsoever. They are detained under section for their own protection. This can be a highly distressing experience and I have no doubt frustrating for the police as they have very little training in how to care for a person in acute mental distress. If more resources were to be focused when people have the first signs of deteriorating mental health many of them would not end up coming to the attention of the police in any capacity. I find the ignorance of some people to be astounding. I can only hope that rather than intending to contribute to the discussion in a positive way that they are just spewing out their spiteful comments in a bid to get a reaction. At least if this is he case most people will see through the vitriol.
Wrong again, people detained under section 136 of the mental Health act, are not taken to police stations, they are conveyed to mental health units, it has very little to do with the police, unless they are arrested on suspicion of an offence, try to think, before you write such garbage, as your giving me depression Ha.
[quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: Further to my other comments I would also like to point out that a lot of people end up in police cells having committed no crime whatsoever. They are detained under section for their own protection. This can be a highly distressing experience and I have no doubt frustrating for the police as they have very little training in how to care for a person in acute mental distress. If more resources were to be focused when people have the first signs of deteriorating mental health many of them would not end up coming to the attention of the police in any capacity. I find the ignorance of some people to be astounding. I can only hope that rather than intending to contribute to the discussion in a positive way that they are just spewing out their spiteful comments in a bid to get a reaction. At least if this is he case most people will see through the vitriol.[/p][/quote]Wrong again, people detained under section 136 of the mental Health act, are not taken to police stations, they are conveyed to mental health units, it has very little to do with the police, unless they are arrested on suspicion of an offence, try to think, before you write such garbage, as your giving me depression Ha. Nowthatsworthknowing

4:40pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Hannah Foster says...

I have been detained under that very section and I was taken to a police station. It happens a lot because the hospitals do not always have capacity to take emergency admissions. You are the person who seems to know little of what you are saying. I committed no offence, was charged with no crime and the custody apologised for the situation and told me that it happens to often. The police were very kind but a cell is not a place for an ill person. If you are depressed I suggest you get some help!
I have been detained under that very section and I was taken to a police station. It happens a lot because the hospitals do not always have capacity to take emergency admissions. You are the person who seems to know little of what you are saying. I committed no offence, was charged with no crime and the custody apologised for the situation and told me that it happens to often. The police were very kind but a cell is not a place for an ill person. If you are depressed I suggest you get some help! Hannah Foster

4:42pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Hannah Foster says...

Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
Hannah Foster wrote:
Further to my other comments I would also like to point out that a lot of people end up in police cells having committed no crime whatsoever. They are detained under section for their own protection. This can be a highly distressing experience and I have no doubt frustrating for the police as they have very little training in how to care for a person in acute mental distress. If more resources were to be focused when people have the first signs of deteriorating mental health many of them would not end up coming to the attention of the police in any capacity. I find the ignorance of some people to be astounding. I can only hope that rather than intending to contribute to the discussion in a positive way that they are just spewing out their spiteful comments in a bid to get a reaction. At least if this is he case most people will see through the vitriol.
Wrong again, people detained under section 136 of the mental Health act, are not taken to police stations, they are conveyed to mental health units, it has very little to do with the police, unless they are arrested on suspicion of an offence, try to think, before you write such garbage, as your giving me depression Ha.
May I suggest you ask any police officer how often they have to take mentally ill people who have not been arrested but sectioned to police stations because there are no hospital beds
[quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: Further to my other comments I would also like to point out that a lot of people end up in police cells having committed no crime whatsoever. They are detained under section for their own protection. This can be a highly distressing experience and I have no doubt frustrating for the police as they have very little training in how to care for a person in acute mental distress. If more resources were to be focused when people have the first signs of deteriorating mental health many of them would not end up coming to the attention of the police in any capacity. I find the ignorance of some people to be astounding. I can only hope that rather than intending to contribute to the discussion in a positive way that they are just spewing out their spiteful comments in a bid to get a reaction. At least if this is he case most people will see through the vitriol.[/p][/quote]Wrong again, people detained under section 136 of the mental Health act, are not taken to police stations, they are conveyed to mental health units, it has very little to do with the police, unless they are arrested on suspicion of an offence, try to think, before you write such garbage, as your giving me depression Ha.[/p][/quote]May I suggest you ask any police officer how often they have to take mentally ill people who have not been arrested but sectioned to police stations because there are no hospital beds Hannah Foster

4:43pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Nowthatsworthknowing says...

Hannah Foster wrote:
I have been detained under that very section and I was taken to a police station. It happens a lot because the hospitals do not always have capacity to take emergency admissions. You are the person who seems to know little of what you are saying. I committed no offence, was charged with no crime and the custody apologised for the situation and told me that it happens to often. The police were very kind but a cell is not a place for an ill person. If you are depressed I suggest you get some help!
That would only happen if the person in question was drunk, violent, once sober off to the ward, again as I've said already, self inflicted.
[quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: I have been detained under that very section and I was taken to a police station. It happens a lot because the hospitals do not always have capacity to take emergency admissions. You are the person who seems to know little of what you are saying. I committed no offence, was charged with no crime and the custody apologised for the situation and told me that it happens to often. The police were very kind but a cell is not a place for an ill person. If you are depressed I suggest you get some help![/p][/quote]That would only happen if the person in question was drunk, violent, once sober off to the ward, again as I've said already, self inflicted. Nowthatsworthknowing

4:47pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Hannah Foster says...

Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
Hannah Foster wrote:
I have been detained under that very section and I was taken to a police station. It happens a lot because the hospitals do not always have capacity to take emergency admissions. You are the person who seems to know little of what you are saying. I committed no offence, was charged with no crime and the custody apologised for the situation and told me that it happens to often. The police were very kind but a cell is not a place for an ill person. If you are depressed I suggest you get some help!
That would only happen if the person in question was drunk, violent, once sober off to the ward, again as I've said already, self inflicted.
I was none of them, I was sober, not under the influence of drugs, had not committed any violence but I was in a desperate state where I felt that my life wasn't worth living. An officer sat with me in the cells for hours and showed me all the compassion and empathy hat you seem to be devoid of. You are so closed minded and bitter, I can only hope that if you ever need looking after that you come across someone who has more compassion than you do.
[quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: I have been detained under that very section and I was taken to a police station. It happens a lot because the hospitals do not always have capacity to take emergency admissions. You are the person who seems to know little of what you are saying. I committed no offence, was charged with no crime and the custody apologised for the situation and told me that it happens to often. The police were very kind but a cell is not a place for an ill person. If you are depressed I suggest you get some help![/p][/quote]That would only happen if the person in question was drunk, violent, once sober off to the ward, again as I've said already, self inflicted.[/p][/quote]I was none of them, I was sober, not under the influence of drugs, had not committed any violence but I was in a desperate state where I felt that my life wasn't worth living. An officer sat with me in the cells for hours and showed me all the compassion and empathy hat you seem to be devoid of. You are so closed minded and bitter, I can only hope that if you ever need looking after that you come across someone who has more compassion than you do. Hannah Foster

4:49pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Hannah Foster says...

Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
Hannah Foster wrote:
I have been detained under that very section and I was taken to a police station. It happens a lot because the hospitals do not always have capacity to take emergency admissions. You are the person who seems to know little of what you are saying. I committed no offence, was charged with no crime and the custody apologised for the situation and told me that it happens to often. The police were very kind but a cell is not a place for an ill person. If you are depressed I suggest you get some help!
That would only happen if the person in question was drunk, violent, once sober off to the ward, again as I've said already, self inflicted.
And I didn't end up in a ward, I was taken home when the section expired. You know very little indeed.
[quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: I have been detained under that very section and I was taken to a police station. It happens a lot because the hospitals do not always have capacity to take emergency admissions. You are the person who seems to know little of what you are saying. I committed no offence, was charged with no crime and the custody apologised for the situation and told me that it happens to often. The police were very kind but a cell is not a place for an ill person. If you are depressed I suggest you get some help![/p][/quote]That would only happen if the person in question was drunk, violent, once sober off to the ward, again as I've said already, self inflicted.[/p][/quote]And I didn't end up in a ward, I was taken home when the section expired. You know very little indeed. Hannah Foster

4:55pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Nowthatsworthknowing says...

Hannah Foster wrote:
Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
Hannah Foster wrote:
I have been detained under that very section and I was taken to a police station. It happens a lot because the hospitals do not always have capacity to take emergency admissions. You are the person who seems to know little of what you are saying. I committed no offence, was charged with no crime and the custody apologised for the situation and told me that it happens to often. The police were very kind but a cell is not a place for an ill person. If you are depressed I suggest you get some help!
That would only happen if the person in question was drunk, violent, once sober off to the ward, again as I've said already, self inflicted.
And I didn't end up in a ward, I was taken home when the section expired. You know very little indeed.
Oh so wasted every ones time, once you sobered up, and didnt feel suicidal you went home, good on you, your a parasite
[quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: I have been detained under that very section and I was taken to a police station. It happens a lot because the hospitals do not always have capacity to take emergency admissions. You are the person who seems to know little of what you are saying. I committed no offence, was charged with no crime and the custody apologised for the situation and told me that it happens to often. The police were very kind but a cell is not a place for an ill person. If you are depressed I suggest you get some help![/p][/quote]That would only happen if the person in question was drunk, violent, once sober off to the ward, again as I've said already, self inflicted.[/p][/quote]And I didn't end up in a ward, I was taken home when the section expired. You know very little indeed.[/p][/quote]Oh so wasted every ones time, once you sobered up, and didnt feel suicidal you went home, good on you, your a parasite Nowthatsworthknowing

5:02pm Sun 5 Jan 14

costa-del-blowfly says...

Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
Hannah Foster wrote:
Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
Hannah Foster wrote:
I have been detained under that very section and I was taken to a police station. It happens a lot because the hospitals do not always have capacity to take emergency admissions. You are the person who seems to know little of what you are saying. I committed no offence, was charged with no crime and the custody apologised for the situation and told me that it happens to often. The police were very kind but a cell is not a place for an ill person. If you are depressed I suggest you get some help!
That would only happen if the person in question was drunk, violent, once sober off to the ward, again as I've said already, self inflicted.
And I didn't end up in a ward, I was taken home when the section expired. You know very little indeed.
Oh so wasted every ones time, once you sobered up, and didnt feel suicidal you went home, good on you, your a parasite
Take a quick read pal.

http://www.rcpsych.a
c.uk/healthadvice/pr
oblemsdisorders/bein
gsectionedengland.as
px
[quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: I have been detained under that very section and I was taken to a police station. It happens a lot because the hospitals do not always have capacity to take emergency admissions. You are the person who seems to know little of what you are saying. I committed no offence, was charged with no crime and the custody apologised for the situation and told me that it happens to often. The police were very kind but a cell is not a place for an ill person. If you are depressed I suggest you get some help![/p][/quote]That would only happen if the person in question was drunk, violent, once sober off to the ward, again as I've said already, self inflicted.[/p][/quote]And I didn't end up in a ward, I was taken home when the section expired. You know very little indeed.[/p][/quote]Oh so wasted every ones time, once you sobered up, and didnt feel suicidal you went home, good on you, your a parasite[/p][/quote]Take a quick read pal. http://www.rcpsych.a c.uk/healthadvice/pr oblemsdisorders/bein gsectionedengland.as px costa-del-blowfly

5:43pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Hannah Foster says...

Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
Hannah Foster wrote:
Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
Hannah Foster wrote:
I have been detained under that very section and I was taken to a police station. It happens a lot because the hospitals do not always have capacity to take emergency admissions. You are the person who seems to know little of what you are saying. I committed no offence, was charged with no crime and the custody apologised for the situation and told me that it happens to often. The police were very kind but a cell is not a place for an ill person. If you are depressed I suggest you get some help!
That would only happen if the person in question was drunk, violent, once sober off to the ward, again as I've said already, self inflicted.
And I didn't end up in a ward, I was taken home when the section expired. You know very little indeed.
Oh so wasted every ones time, once you sobered up, and didnt feel suicidal you went home, good on you, your a parasite
Not only a bigot but unable to read either. I have no need to justify myself to you. You are clearly looking to dish out petty personal insults. I don't drink, I have a mental illness. Diagnosed, being treated, no criminal record, never arrested. I am just secure enough to speak about my experiences openly and maybe someone will read them who is suffering from the attitude that you display and see you and your like for what they are. Sad and spiteful. Everything that I have said is documented. You wouldn't recognise many people with mental health problems because they are not the monsters that it makes you feel better to portray them as. You may even have your own issues!
[quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: I have been detained under that very section and I was taken to a police station. It happens a lot because the hospitals do not always have capacity to take emergency admissions. You are the person who seems to know little of what you are saying. I committed no offence, was charged with no crime and the custody apologised for the situation and told me that it happens to often. The police were very kind but a cell is not a place for an ill person. If you are depressed I suggest you get some help![/p][/quote]That would only happen if the person in question was drunk, violent, once sober off to the ward, again as I've said already, self inflicted.[/p][/quote]And I didn't end up in a ward, I was taken home when the section expired. You know very little indeed.[/p][/quote]Oh so wasted every ones time, once you sobered up, and didnt feel suicidal you went home, good on you, your a parasite[/p][/quote]Not only a bigot but unable to read either. I have no need to justify myself to you. You are clearly looking to dish out petty personal insults. I don't drink, I have a mental illness. Diagnosed, being treated, no criminal record, never arrested. I am just secure enough to speak about my experiences openly and maybe someone will read them who is suffering from the attitude that you display and see you and your like for what they are. Sad and spiteful. Everything that I have said is documented. You wouldn't recognise many people with mental health problems because they are not the monsters that it makes you feel better to portray them as. You may even have your own issues! Hannah Foster

6:38pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Gaz Michaels says...

Hannah Foster wrote:
Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
Hannah Foster wrote:
Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
Hannah Foster wrote:
I have been detained under that very section and I was taken to a police station. It happens a lot because the hospitals do not always have capacity to take emergency admissions. You are the person who seems to know little of what you are saying. I committed no offence, was charged with no crime and the custody apologised for the situation and told me that it happens to often. The police were very kind but a cell is not a place for an ill person. If you are depressed I suggest you get some help!
That would only happen if the person in question was drunk, violent, once sober off to the ward, again as I've said already, self inflicted.
And I didn't end up in a ward, I was taken home when the section expired. You know very little indeed.
Oh so wasted every ones time, once you sobered up, and didnt feel suicidal you went home, good on you, your a parasite
Not only a bigot but unable to read either. I have no need to justify myself to you. You are clearly looking to dish out petty personal insults. I don't drink, I have a mental illness. Diagnosed, being treated, no criminal record, never arrested. I am just secure enough to speak about my experiences openly and maybe someone will read them who is suffering from the attitude that you display and see you and your like for what they are. Sad and spiteful. Everything that I have said is documented. You wouldn't recognise many people with mental health problems because they are not the monsters that it makes you feel better to portray them as. You may even have your own issues!
Hannah, I think you've laid out your points very well and quite clearly.

I wouldn't waste your energy on answering any more taunts. As they say, don't feed the trolls, especially those bigots who refuse to accept any view outside of their narrow-minded prejudices.
[quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: I have been detained under that very section and I was taken to a police station. It happens a lot because the hospitals do not always have capacity to take emergency admissions. You are the person who seems to know little of what you are saying. I committed no offence, was charged with no crime and the custody apologised for the situation and told me that it happens to often. The police were very kind but a cell is not a place for an ill person. If you are depressed I suggest you get some help![/p][/quote]That would only happen if the person in question was drunk, violent, once sober off to the ward, again as I've said already, self inflicted.[/p][/quote]And I didn't end up in a ward, I was taken home when the section expired. You know very little indeed.[/p][/quote]Oh so wasted every ones time, once you sobered up, and didnt feel suicidal you went home, good on you, your a parasite[/p][/quote]Not only a bigot but unable to read either. I have no need to justify myself to you. You are clearly looking to dish out petty personal insults. I don't drink, I have a mental illness. Diagnosed, being treated, no criminal record, never arrested. I am just secure enough to speak about my experiences openly and maybe someone will read them who is suffering from the attitude that you display and see you and your like for what they are. Sad and spiteful. Everything that I have said is documented. You wouldn't recognise many people with mental health problems because they are not the monsters that it makes you feel better to portray them as. You may even have your own issues![/p][/quote]Hannah, I think you've laid out your points very well and quite clearly. I wouldn't waste your energy on answering any more taunts. As they say, don't feed the trolls, especially those bigots who refuse to accept any view outside of their narrow-minded prejudices. Gaz Michaels

6:52pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Hannah Foster says...

Gaz Michaels wrote:
Hannah Foster wrote:
Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
Hannah Foster wrote:
Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
Hannah Foster wrote:
I have been detained under that very section and I was taken to a police station. It happens a lot because the hospitals do not always have capacity to take emergency admissions. You are the person who seems to know little of what you are saying. I committed no offence, was charged with no crime and the custody apologised for the situation and told me that it happens to often. The police were very kind but a cell is not a place for an ill person. If you are depressed I suggest you get some help!
That would only happen if the person in question was drunk, violent, once sober off to the ward, again as I've said already, self inflicted.
And I didn't end up in a ward, I was taken home when the section expired. You know very little indeed.
Oh so wasted every ones time, once you sobered up, and didnt feel suicidal you went home, good on you, your a parasite
Not only a bigot but unable to read either. I have no need to justify myself to you. You are clearly looking to dish out petty personal insults. I don't drink, I have a mental illness. Diagnosed, being treated, no criminal record, never arrested. I am just secure enough to speak about my experiences openly and maybe someone will read them who is suffering from the attitude that you display and see you and your like for what they are. Sad and spiteful. Everything that I have said is documented. You wouldn't recognise many people with mental health problems because they are not the monsters that it makes you feel better to portray them as. You may even have your own issues!
Hannah, I think you've laid out your points very well and quite clearly.

I wouldn't waste your energy on answering any more taunts. As they say, don't feed the trolls, especially those bigots who refuse to accept any view outside of their narrow-minded prejudices.
I really appreciate that. You are right I will not be wasting my time anymore. It's just that I feel so strongly and I can't stand the thought of someone who is going through a tough time reading those awful comments and feeling that no one cares and that everyone is against them. I am happy that I have made my voice heard and that is good enough for me.
[quote][p][bold]Gaz Michaels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: I have been detained under that very section and I was taken to a police station. It happens a lot because the hospitals do not always have capacity to take emergency admissions. You are the person who seems to know little of what you are saying. I committed no offence, was charged with no crime and the custody apologised for the situation and told me that it happens to often. The police were very kind but a cell is not a place for an ill person. If you are depressed I suggest you get some help![/p][/quote]That would only happen if the person in question was drunk, violent, once sober off to the ward, again as I've said already, self inflicted.[/p][/quote]And I didn't end up in a ward, I was taken home when the section expired. You know very little indeed.[/p][/quote]Oh so wasted every ones time, once you sobered up, and didnt feel suicidal you went home, good on you, your a parasite[/p][/quote]Not only a bigot but unable to read either. I have no need to justify myself to you. You are clearly looking to dish out petty personal insults. I don't drink, I have a mental illness. Diagnosed, being treated, no criminal record, never arrested. I am just secure enough to speak about my experiences openly and maybe someone will read them who is suffering from the attitude that you display and see you and your like for what they are. Sad and spiteful. Everything that I have said is documented. You wouldn't recognise many people with mental health problems because they are not the monsters that it makes you feel better to portray them as. You may even have your own issues![/p][/quote]Hannah, I think you've laid out your points very well and quite clearly. I wouldn't waste your energy on answering any more taunts. As they say, don't feed the trolls, especially those bigots who refuse to accept any view outside of their narrow-minded prejudices.[/p][/quote]I really appreciate that. You are right I will not be wasting my time anymore. It's just that I feel so strongly and I can't stand the thought of someone who is going through a tough time reading those awful comments and feeling that no one cares and that everyone is against them. I am happy that I have made my voice heard and that is good enough for me. Hannah Foster

4:42am Mon 6 Jan 14

LastLaugh2 says...

Hannah Foster wrote:
Gaz Michaels wrote:
Hannah Foster wrote:
Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
Hannah Foster wrote:
Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
Hannah Foster wrote:
I have been detained under that very section and I was taken to a police station. It happens a lot because the hospitals do not always have capacity to take emergency admissions. You are the person who seems to know little of what you are saying. I committed no offence, was charged with no crime and the custody apologised for the situation and told me that it happens to often. The police were very kind but a cell is not a place for an ill person. If you are depressed I suggest you get some help!
That would only happen if the person in question was drunk, violent, once sober off to the ward, again as I've said already, self inflicted.
And I didn't end up in a ward, I was taken home when the section expired. You know very little indeed.
Oh so wasted every ones time, once you sobered up, and didnt feel suicidal you went home, good on you, your a parasite
Not only a bigot but unable to read either. I have no need to justify myself to you. You are clearly looking to dish out petty personal insults. I don't drink, I have a mental illness. Diagnosed, being treated, no criminal record, never arrested. I am just secure enough to speak about my experiences openly and maybe someone will read them who is suffering from the attitude that you display and see you and your like for what they are. Sad and spiteful. Everything that I have said is documented. You wouldn't recognise many people with mental health problems because they are not the monsters that it makes you feel better to portray them as. You may even have your own issues!
Hannah, I think you've laid out your points very well and quite clearly.

I wouldn't waste your energy on answering any more taunts. As they say, don't feed the trolls, especially those bigots who refuse to accept any view outside of their narrow-minded prejudices.
I really appreciate that. You are right I will not be wasting my time anymore. It's just that I feel so strongly and I can't stand the thought of someone who is going through a tough time reading those awful comments and feeling that no one cares and that everyone is against them. I am happy that I have made my voice heard and that is good enough for me.
I think the loons have taken over the police station, lol
[quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gaz Michaels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: I have been detained under that very section and I was taken to a police station. It happens a lot because the hospitals do not always have capacity to take emergency admissions. You are the person who seems to know little of what you are saying. I committed no offence, was charged with no crime and the custody apologised for the situation and told me that it happens to often. The police were very kind but a cell is not a place for an ill person. If you are depressed I suggest you get some help![/p][/quote]That would only happen if the person in question was drunk, violent, once sober off to the ward, again as I've said already, self inflicted.[/p][/quote]And I didn't end up in a ward, I was taken home when the section expired. You know very little indeed.[/p][/quote]Oh so wasted every ones time, once you sobered up, and didnt feel suicidal you went home, good on you, your a parasite[/p][/quote]Not only a bigot but unable to read either. I have no need to justify myself to you. You are clearly looking to dish out petty personal insults. I don't drink, I have a mental illness. Diagnosed, being treated, no criminal record, never arrested. I am just secure enough to speak about my experiences openly and maybe someone will read them who is suffering from the attitude that you display and see you and your like for what they are. Sad and spiteful. Everything that I have said is documented. You wouldn't recognise many people with mental health problems because they are not the monsters that it makes you feel better to portray them as. You may even have your own issues![/p][/quote]Hannah, I think you've laid out your points very well and quite clearly. I wouldn't waste your energy on answering any more taunts. As they say, don't feed the trolls, especially those bigots who refuse to accept any view outside of their narrow-minded prejudices.[/p][/quote]I really appreciate that. You are right I will not be wasting my time anymore. It's just that I feel so strongly and I can't stand the thought of someone who is going through a tough time reading those awful comments and feeling that no one cares and that everyone is against them. I am happy that I have made my voice heard and that is good enough for me.[/p][/quote]I think the loons have taken over the police station, lol LastLaugh2

4:31pm Mon 6 Jan 14

stopmoaning1 says...

Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
Hannah Foster wrote:
Further to my other comments I would also like to point out that a lot of people end up in police cells having committed no crime whatsoever. They are detained under section for their own protection. This can be a highly distressing experience and I have no doubt frustrating for the police as they have very little training in how to care for a person in acute mental distress. If more resources were to be focused when people have the first signs of deteriorating mental health many of them would not end up coming to the attention of the police in any capacity. I find the ignorance of some people to be astounding. I can only hope that rather than intending to contribute to the discussion in a positive way that they are just spewing out their spiteful comments in a bid to get a reaction. At least if this is he case most people will see through the vitriol.
Wrong again, people detained under section 136 of the mental Health act, are not taken to police stations, they are conveyed to mental health units, it has very little to do with the police, unless they are arrested on suspicion of an offence, try to think, before you write such garbage, as your giving me depression Ha.
A quick google search will provide a huge number of national news items and police reports that state section 136 mental health patients are too often taken to police stations in the first instance due to lack of proper mental health care.
Now 'THAT'S worth knowing!
[quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: Further to my other comments I would also like to point out that a lot of people end up in police cells having committed no crime whatsoever. They are detained under section for their own protection. This can be a highly distressing experience and I have no doubt frustrating for the police as they have very little training in how to care for a person in acute mental distress. If more resources were to be focused when people have the first signs of deteriorating mental health many of them would not end up coming to the attention of the police in any capacity. I find the ignorance of some people to be astounding. I can only hope that rather than intending to contribute to the discussion in a positive way that they are just spewing out their spiteful comments in a bid to get a reaction. At least if this is he case most people will see through the vitriol.[/p][/quote]Wrong again, people detained under section 136 of the mental Health act, are not taken to police stations, they are conveyed to mental health units, it has very little to do with the police, unless they are arrested on suspicion of an offence, try to think, before you write such garbage, as your giving me depression Ha.[/p][/quote]A quick google search will provide a huge number of national news items and police reports that state section 136 mental health patients are too often taken to police stations in the first instance due to lack of proper mental health care. Now 'THAT'S worth knowing! stopmoaning1

9:44pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Ed Woods says...

Is that the same Kim Gandy who works with elderly Dementia and Alzheimer patients in care homes? Good to see such a kind, caring and compassionate person caring for our old folk.
Is that the same Kim Gandy who works with elderly Dementia and Alzheimer patients in care homes? Good to see such a kind, caring and compassionate person caring for our old folk. Ed Woods

1:57pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Stamper2 says...

What does anyone expect?

It is all down, as usual, to cost cutting. They have closed all the mental homes - now the nutters are walking round the streets.

That is the simple reality of the matter.
What does anyone expect? It is all down, as usual, to cost cutting. They have closed all the mental homes - now the nutters are walking round the streets. That is the simple reality of the matter. Stamper2

8:15am Wed 8 Jan 14

LastIaugh,,. says...

Stamper2 wrote:
What does anyone expect?

It is all down, as usual, to cost cutting. They have closed all the mental homes - now the nutters are walking round the streets.

That is the simple reality of the matter.
I think you meant that the mentally ill aren't being properly cared for but you just articulated it differently.

Strange, you fall off your bike and they send paramedics, an ambulance and even helicopters.

If you are mentally ill - you get very little, if at all.

Strange.
[quote][p][bold]Stamper2[/bold] wrote: What does anyone expect? It is all down, as usual, to cost cutting. They have closed all the mental homes - now the nutters are walking round the streets. That is the simple reality of the matter.[/p][/quote]I think you meant that the mentally ill aren't being properly cared for but you just articulated it differently. Strange, you fall off your bike and they send paramedics, an ambulance and even helicopters. If you are mentally ill - you get very little, if at all. Strange. LastIaugh,,.

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