Closing Priory House will cost more than repairs

Southend Standard: Closing Priory House will cost more than repairs Closing Priory House will cost more than repairs

CLOSING an “excellent” council-run care home will cost more than repairing it , it has been revealed.

Southend Council claims it has to close Priory House, in Prittlewell Chase, Southend, as it will need more than £1million of repairs over the next ten years and paying independent homes to look after residents is cheaper.

However, redundancy costs and the cost of delaying the closure for a year as planned will cost even more, the Echo can reveal.

Giving the council-run home’s 45 staff the boot will cost £533,000 and keeping the home open for another year, to avoid moving vulnerable residents near the end of their lives, will cost £540,000.

That £1,073,000 total is more than the £1,057,075 the council estimates would be needed for repairs and maintenance.

Stan Saunders, 85, of Canterbury Avenue, Southchurch, who collected 3,200 signatures in a bid to save the care home, said: “It just doesn’t make sense they are doing this. Obviously they plan to get rid of the home and that is what they are going to do.”

Senior Tories decided to close the 28-bed facility, which supports up to 12 residents a day, last month, despite 15,000 people signing a petition against the plan.

Better public sector pay and conditions means it costs the council £774 a week to house patients there, compared to £430 at homes run by private firms or charities. When the council closes Priory House, which it rates as excellent, and its other council-run care home, Delaware House in Maplin Way, which is earmarked for redevelopment, it expects to make savings of £540,000 a year.

Lesley Salter, Southend councillor responsible for adult social care, said: “The council is taking the most pragmatic route which provides savings over the next ten years of £5.4million.

“Additionally, the expenditure savings on maintenance and repair of the existing homes, some £1million, can be ring fenced toward building a new facility for older people with dementia.

“Meanwhile, we’ve been working proactively to minimise redundancy costs and will continue to do so through redeployment of staff wherever possible.”

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12:34pm Fri 13 Dec 13

fletch12107 says...

The money that Southend Council paid Mike Boyle the "consultant" who started this sad consultation was £778 a day and he was paid for two years. Someone at the council who approved this payment has cost the town the finest Care and Dementia home I know and should be bought investigated for misuse of public funds. Leslie Salter and Simon Leftley and the rest of the Council Executive should hang their heads in shame. At last nights council meeting high up on the agenda was the handing over of a log and some backslapping that they won a competition for best loo. Please remember this when voting next year.
The money that Southend Council paid Mike Boyle the "consultant" who started this sad consultation was £778 a day and he was paid for two years. Someone at the council who approved this payment has cost the town the finest Care and Dementia home I know and should be bought investigated for misuse of public funds. Leslie Salter and Simon Leftley and the rest of the Council Executive should hang their heads in shame. At last nights council meeting high up on the agenda was the handing over of a log and some backslapping that they won a competition for best loo. Please remember this when voting next year. fletch12107

2:20pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Kim Gandy says...

fletch12107 wrote:
The money that Southend Council paid Mike Boyle the "consultant" who started this sad consultation was £778 a day and he was paid for two years. Someone at the council who approved this payment has cost the town the finest Care and Dementia home I know and should be bought investigated for misuse of public funds. Leslie Salter and Simon Leftley and the rest of the Council Executive should hang their heads in shame. At last nights council meeting high up on the agenda was the handing over of a log and some backslapping that they won a competition for best loo. Please remember this when voting next year.
It's obvious councillors know nothing about what is involved in care homes. What we are talking about here is disrupting people's lives. And if the person has dementia they are going to be even more confused about what is happening to them.

Not enough thought is ever given to these issues. When I worked in private care homes I regularly stood up for the rights of both residents and staff but all that gets you is a marked person status.

Which brings me back again to the fact that the care system in this country needs an overhaul. It is groaning at the seams, fraught with understaffing and low on resources.

Where there is a good care home like this one, every effort should be made to keep it running smoothly. As for the private ones, the CQC inspections are sadly inadequate, concentrating as they do on cosmetic things rather than listening to the concerns of staff who are regularly stressed, overworked and severely underpaid for the sort of work they do.

The needs of the care sector is grossly misunderstood and those who have never worked in it haven't a clue about what is involved.

Over the years , I have worked closely with families of residents to try to get the best out of the system but it is grossly underfunded, understaffed and the needs of residents grossy underestimated.
[quote][p][bold]fletch12107[/bold] wrote: The money that Southend Council paid Mike Boyle the "consultant" who started this sad consultation was £778 a day and he was paid for two years. Someone at the council who approved this payment has cost the town the finest Care and Dementia home I know and should be bought investigated for misuse of public funds. Leslie Salter and Simon Leftley and the rest of the Council Executive should hang their heads in shame. At last nights council meeting high up on the agenda was the handing over of a log and some backslapping that they won a competition for best loo. Please remember this when voting next year.[/p][/quote]It's obvious councillors know nothing about what is involved in care homes. What we are talking about here is disrupting people's lives. And if the person has dementia they are going to be even more confused about what is happening to them. Not enough thought is ever given to these issues. When I worked in private care homes I regularly stood up for the rights of both residents and staff but all that gets you is a marked person status. Which brings me back again to the fact that the care system in this country needs an overhaul. It is groaning at the seams, fraught with understaffing and low on resources. Where there is a good care home like this one, every effort should be made to keep it running smoothly. As for the private ones, the CQC inspections are sadly inadequate, concentrating as they do on cosmetic things rather than listening to the concerns of staff who are regularly stressed, overworked and severely underpaid for the sort of work they do. The needs of the care sector is grossly misunderstood and those who have never worked in it haven't a clue about what is involved. Over the years , I have worked closely with families of residents to try to get the best out of the system but it is grossly underfunded, understaffed and the needs of residents grossy underestimated. Kim Gandy

2:23pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Nowthatsworthknowing says...

Savings both financial and staffing have to be made, high time people met life's obligations, and paid for their parents care, having enjoyed their inheritances, to blow on holidays and the false illusions of grandeur .
Interesting to hear of the 10.000 who signed a petition, yet only a dozen are ever in these echo pics.....
Savings both financial and staffing have to be made, high time people met life's obligations, and paid for their parents care, having enjoyed their inheritances, to blow on holidays and the false illusions of grandeur . Interesting to hear of the 10.000 who signed a petition, yet only a dozen are ever in these echo pics..... Nowthatsworthknowing

7:30pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Devils Advocate says...

Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
Savings both financial and staffing have to be made, high time people met life's obligations, and paid for their parents care, having enjoyed their inheritances, to blow on holidays and the false illusions of grandeur .
Interesting to hear of the 10.000 who signed a petition, yet only a dozen are ever in these echo pics.....
Firstly, take a look at the differentials between the frontline nursing staff and the huge overpaid pyramid above them. It's the magnification of those "Differentials" that are causing the biggest financial problem.
But that callous statement about spending the inheritance is an absolute bag of rubbish.
Before you make that kind of statement, find out a little about why the council pay the fees, why most of these people are taken to care homes, and, most of all, what having to have your loved ones in the care home is like.
The callous throwaway comments you made here prove that you do not know what you are talking about. You will learn one day, and it will hopefully make you consider a little before making this kind of hate statement!
[quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: Savings both financial and staffing have to be made, high time people met life's obligations, and paid for their parents care, having enjoyed their inheritances, to blow on holidays and the false illusions of grandeur . Interesting to hear of the 10.000 who signed a petition, yet only a dozen are ever in these echo pics.....[/p][/quote]Firstly, take a look at the differentials between the frontline nursing staff and the huge overpaid pyramid above them. It's the magnification of those "Differentials" that are causing the biggest financial problem. But that callous statement about spending the inheritance is an absolute bag of rubbish. Before you make that kind of statement, find out a little about why the council pay the fees, why most of these people are taken to care homes, and, most of all, what having to have your loved ones in the care home is like. The callous throwaway comments you made here prove that you do not know what you are talking about. You will learn one day, and it will hopefully make you consider a little before making this kind of hate statement! Devils Advocate

10:06pm Fri 13 Dec 13

fletch12107 says...

Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
Savings both financial and staffing have to be made, high time people met life's obligations, and paid for their parents care, having enjoyed their inheritances, to blow on holidays and the false illusions of grandeur .
Interesting to hear of the 10.000 who signed a petition, yet only a dozen are ever in these echo pics.....
The majority of people in Priory House pay the full asking rate for their care and that is usually met by selling the family home that they have worked all their lives for so the children do forego their inheritance. The 10000 that signed the petition were people that genuinely thought that it would make a difference to the closure of a care and dementia home but alas the executive at the council thought otherwise. The dozen people in the Echo photographs were the relatives of residents in Priory House. Savings financially and staffing may have to be made but if it costs more to close a building than it does to keep it open then that doesn't make any sense. I think that lifes obligations (although I know of none that are compulsory) have been met by the residents of Priory House. May I suggest that you research your subject topic a tad more closely before making comments that a baboon could probably do better.
[quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: Savings both financial and staffing have to be made, high time people met life's obligations, and paid for their parents care, having enjoyed their inheritances, to blow on holidays and the false illusions of grandeur . Interesting to hear of the 10.000 who signed a petition, yet only a dozen are ever in these echo pics.....[/p][/quote]The majority of people in Priory House pay the full asking rate for their care and that is usually met by selling the family home that they have worked all their lives for so the children do forego their inheritance. The 10000 that signed the petition were people that genuinely thought that it would make a difference to the closure of a care and dementia home but alas the executive at the council thought otherwise. The dozen people in the Echo photographs were the relatives of residents in Priory House. Savings financially and staffing may have to be made but if it costs more to close a building than it does to keep it open then that doesn't make any sense. I think that lifes obligations (although I know of none that are compulsory) have been met by the residents of Priory House. May I suggest that you research your subject topic a tad more closely before making comments that a baboon could probably do better. fletch12107

10:16am Sat 14 Dec 13

Nowthatsworthknowing says...

fletch12107 wrote:
Nowthatsworthknowing wrote:
Savings both financial and staffing have to be made, high time people met life's obligations, and paid for their parents care, having enjoyed their inheritances, to blow on holidays and the false illusions of grandeur .
Interesting to hear of the 10.000 who signed a petition, yet only a dozen are ever in these echo pics.....
The majority of people in Priory House pay the full asking rate for their care and that is usually met by selling the family home that they have worked all their lives for so the children do forego their inheritance. The 10000 that signed the petition were people that genuinely thought that it would make a difference to the closure of a care and dementia home but alas the executive at the council thought otherwise. The dozen people in the Echo photographs were the relatives of residents in Priory House. Savings financially and staffing may have to be made but if it costs more to close a building than it does to keep it open then that doesn't make any sense. I think that lifes obligations (although I know of none that are compulsory) have been met by the residents of Priory House. May I suggest that you research your subject topic a tad more closely before making comments that a baboon could probably do better.
A baboon? funny how your mind thinks, why is it OK for the council to pay for the care of these elderly folk? surely the Government should be looking after them?
[quote][p][bold]fletch12107[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote: Savings both financial and staffing have to be made, high time people met life's obligations, and paid for their parents care, having enjoyed their inheritances, to blow on holidays and the false illusions of grandeur . Interesting to hear of the 10.000 who signed a petition, yet only a dozen are ever in these echo pics.....[/p][/quote]The majority of people in Priory House pay the full asking rate for their care and that is usually met by selling the family home that they have worked all their lives for so the children do forego their inheritance. The 10000 that signed the petition were people that genuinely thought that it would make a difference to the closure of a care and dementia home but alas the executive at the council thought otherwise. The dozen people in the Echo photographs were the relatives of residents in Priory House. Savings financially and staffing may have to be made but if it costs more to close a building than it does to keep it open then that doesn't make any sense. I think that lifes obligations (although I know of none that are compulsory) have been met by the residents of Priory House. May I suggest that you research your subject topic a tad more closely before making comments that a baboon could probably do better.[/p][/quote]A baboon? funny how your mind thinks, why is it OK for the council to pay for the care of these elderly folk? surely the Government should be looking after them? Nowthatsworthknowing

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