Stop knocking down our pubs

Southend Standard: Julian Ware-Lane Julian Ware-Lane

SOUTHEND councillor Julian Ware-Lane is calling on the Government to stop pubs being demolished.

Southend Council will discuss the motion calling for the move next Thursday.

If the motion is passed the council would work to lobby the Government to change planning laws.

Developers do not need permission to demolish a pub.

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4:12pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Jack222 says...

If a pub is not economical then why should it be protected?

Bizarre argument. I'd much rather many grotty old pubs were demolished or converted into houses.
If a pub is not economical then why should it be protected? Bizarre argument. I'd much rather many grotty old pubs were demolished or converted into houses. Jack222

4:35pm Mon 9 Dec 13

John Bull 40 says...

I will drink to that.
I will drink to that. John Bull 40

5:25pm Mon 9 Dec 13

echoforum says...

This bloke has obviously managed to find a pub that is open and spent far to long in there.
In an ideal world it would be nice to have cosy pubs dotted around but the days of The Sweeney have passed.We now realise that long periods spent in a boozer aint good for you or your wallet.
Just like petrol stations these patches of land will end up where the money is in a Developers land bank...of course its crap but you can't do anything about it.
If a developer offered you £1M for you house ..your gonna turn it down are you?.
This bloke has obviously managed to find a pub that is open and spent far to long in there. In an ideal world it would be nice to have cosy pubs dotted around but the days of The Sweeney have passed.We now realise that long periods spent in a boozer aint good for you or your wallet. Just like petrol stations these patches of land will end up where the money is in a Developers land bank...of course its crap but you can't do anything about it. If a developer offered you £1M for you house ..your gonna turn it down are you?. echoforum

6:08pm Mon 9 Dec 13

InTheKnowOk says...

Drove into London a while back and saw a couple of old pubs had been turned into Maccy D's .... Total sacrilege if you ask me!
Drove into London a while back and saw a couple of old pubs had been turned into Maccy D's .... Total sacrilege if you ask me! InTheKnowOk

6:08pm Mon 9 Dec 13

lucy10 says...

nice jacket
nice jacket lucy10

6:15pm Mon 9 Dec 13

chillyfeet says...

THis councillor must be desperate to have his picture taken and get in the local rag.
Its a pity that he couldn`t find a subject that any of us apart from publicans give a monkeys about.
Like immigration or what the councillors waste our cash on,like his expenses.
THis councillor must be desperate to have his picture taken and get in the local rag. Its a pity that he couldn`t find a subject that any of us apart from publicans give a monkeys about. Like immigration or what the councillors waste our cash on,like his expenses. chillyfeet

6:28pm Mon 9 Dec 13

chas says...

It was after the smoking ban that pubs started to close in their thousands and the only way to stop the decline is to amend the smoking ban
It was after the smoking ban that pubs started to close in their thousands and the only way to stop the decline is to amend the smoking ban chas

7:00pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Rochford Rob says...

Last time I looked, a pub was meant to be a business concern. It either makes money or it folds.

How on earth do these people get into positions of power given they are so deluded?

What's he suggesting? Keep it until it re-opens as another unsuccessful pub or is it to be subsidised by the council?

What a bloody moron.
Last time I looked, a pub was meant to be a business concern. It either makes money or it folds. How on earth do these people get into positions of power given they are so deluded? What's he suggesting? Keep it until it re-opens as another unsuccessful pub or is it to be subsidised by the council? What a bloody moron. Rochford Rob

7:08pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Rochford Rob says...

chas wrote:
It was after the smoking ban that pubs started to close in their thousands and the only way to stop the decline is to amend the smoking ban
I think the death knell was the level of taxation imposed. Old fashioned boozers are thin on the ground these days. The one's in the city knocking out a pint for £4 are raking it in. Some tiny place with a snug, one man, his dog and half of mild are long gone or on their way.
Pubs are changing - there's more profit in food. Add to that bootleg or loss leaders from all the supermarkets too. Not really much to do with smelly buggers stinking the place out. They are still there - clogging up all the bloody doorways though.
[quote][p][bold]chas[/bold] wrote: It was after the smoking ban that pubs started to close in their thousands and the only way to stop the decline is to amend the smoking ban[/p][/quote]I think the death knell was the level of taxation imposed. Old fashioned boozers are thin on the ground these days. The one's in the city knocking out a pint for £4 are raking it in. Some tiny place with a snug, one man, his dog and half of mild are long gone or on their way. Pubs are changing - there's more profit in food. Add to that bootleg or loss leaders from all the supermarkets too. Not really much to do with smelly buggers stinking the place out. They are still there - clogging up all the bloody doorways though. Rochford Rob

7:23pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Nelly99 says...

It,s sad that the old country style pub with a log fire has gone but cheap supermarket drink and no-smoking has made them untenable. You can get a box of beer,(12 cans) and a bottle of scotch for £20 which will only buy you two or three rounds in a pub. Live music, football and strippers is the only thing that will fill a pub and none of them have that. It,s a business like any other and if it doesn't pay, it closes. Interesting to see how the new Parsons Barn will fare as Wetherspoons obviously think it is a going concern. We,ll see.
It,s sad that the old country style pub with a log fire has gone but cheap supermarket drink and no-smoking has made them untenable. You can get a box of beer,(12 cans) and a bottle of scotch for £20 which will only buy you two or three rounds in a pub. Live music, football and strippers is the only thing that will fill a pub and none of them have that. It,s a business like any other and if it doesn't pay, it closes. Interesting to see how the new Parsons Barn will fare as Wetherspoons obviously think it is a going concern. We,ll see. Nelly99

9:11pm Mon 9 Dec 13

chas says...

Rochford Rob wrote:
chas wrote: It was after the smoking ban that pubs started to close in their thousands and the only way to stop the decline is to amend the smoking ban
I think the death knell was the level of taxation imposed. Old fashioned boozers are thin on the ground these days. The one's in the city knocking out a pint for £4 are raking it in. Some tiny place with a snug, one man, his dog and half of mild are long gone or on their way. Pubs are changing - there's more profit in food. Add to that bootleg or loss leaders from all the supermarkets too. Not really much to do with smelly buggers stinking the place out. They are still there - clogging up all the bloody doorways though.
Isn't it strange that pubs only started to close in their thousands when the smoking ban was introduced?
[quote][p][bold]Rochford Rob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chas[/bold] wrote: It was after the smoking ban that pubs started to close in their thousands and the only way to stop the decline is to amend the smoking ban[/p][/quote]I think the death knell was the level of taxation imposed. Old fashioned boozers are thin on the ground these days. The one's in the city knocking out a pint for £4 are raking it in. Some tiny place with a snug, one man, his dog and half of mild are long gone or on their way. Pubs are changing - there's more profit in food. Add to that bootleg or loss leaders from all the supermarkets too. Not really much to do with smelly buggers stinking the place out. They are still there - clogging up all the bloody doorways though.[/p][/quote]Isn't it strange that pubs only started to close in their thousands when the smoking ban was introduced? chas

9:45pm Mon 9 Dec 13

DogsMessInLeigh says...

"Developers do not need permission to demolish a pub"

They do if people are still inside drinking.
"Developers do not need permission to demolish a pub" They do if people are still inside drinking. DogsMessInLeigh

6:19am Tue 10 Dec 13

Keptquiettillnow says...

IS he referring to the Esplanade? Only pub I can think of there.
IS he referring to the Esplanade? Only pub I can think of there. Keptquiettillnow

8:17pm Tue 10 Dec 13

abd123 says...

You cannot turn economic reality back by banning demolitions. Society is changing and you have to live with it. If there is a reduced demand for pubs you cannot force customers in.
You cannot turn economic reality back by banning demolitions. Society is changing and you have to live with it. If there is a reduced demand for pubs you cannot force customers in. abd123

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