Gran's benefit ban over Spanish holiday home

Southend Standard: Gran's benefit ban over Spanish holiday home Gran's benefit ban over Spanish holiday home

A GRANDMOTHER had her housing benefit stopped after council officers discovered she owned a £170,000 holiday home in Spain.

Zena Cooper, 60, did not tell Basildon Council about the house when she applied for benefits in April 2011.

She has been receiving £280 a month to live in her one-bedroom bedsit in Baker Close, Laindon, for more than two-anda- half years.

Despite admitting owning the Spanish home, Mrs Cooper is furious her benefit has been stopped.

She said she desperately needs the money as she was given custody of her six year-old grandson in September.

He has special needs and stays at a boarding school from Monday to Friday.

Mrs Cooper said: “Social services said I need a two-bedroom place because of my grandson, but the council won’t help me.

“They said as I have a house in Spain worthmore than £16,000 it is classed as savings and I am not eligible.

“I have had it up for sale for two years, but not one person has been interested because the market has crashed in Spain.

“It’s no use to me if I can’t sell it.”

Mrs Cooper bought the penthouse for £170,000 ten years ago but has put it back on the market for £130,000.

Basildon Council told the Echo it was made aware of her Spanish home a number of years ago.

Officers worked with the Department of Work and Pensions to give Mrs Cooper a “period of grace” to sell up but this has come to an end.

A spokesman said the council would not be claiming back any of the money.

Mrs Cooper added: “I didn’t just buy that house. My husband and I worked all the hours we could for years. He passed away 16 years ago.

“I can’t work now because I look after my grandson because of his special needs. I’m just so angry.

“I’m going to write to the Queen about it.”

Stuart Sullivan, councillor responsible for resources, said: “Mrs Cooper’s entitlement to housing benefit has ended as we have been informed by the Department for Work and Pensions that Mrs Cooper is no longer entitled to a benefit due to a change in her circumstances.

“If Mrs Cooper disagrees with this decision she has the right of appeal to the Department for Work and Pensions and if they change their decision we would amend ours to reflect that change.”

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6:27am Thu 5 Dec 13

Speedysnail says...

Don't cheat the system then love. If you are that desperate for money sell your holiday home.
Don't cheat the system then love. If you are that desperate for money sell your holiday home. Speedysnail

7:06am Thu 5 Dec 13

whateverhappened says...

^^^
your missing the point and the sentence that says "I have had it up for sale for two years, but not one person has been interested because the market has crashed in Spain"
if you cant sell an asset has it still got a value?
^^^ your missing the point and the sentence that says "I have had it up for sale for two years, but not one person has been interested because the market has crashed in Spain" if you cant sell an asset has it still got a value? whateverhappened

7:40am Thu 5 Dec 13

DogsMessInLeigh says...

Speedysnail wrote:
Don't cheat the system then love. If you are that desperate for money sell your holiday home.
i bet she would love to...but no one is buying, so many have lost big money, i know someone that has abandoned their dream home in spain now its a bit of a wreak.
[quote][p][bold]Speedysnail[/bold] wrote: Don't cheat the system then love. If you are that desperate for money sell your holiday home.[/p][/quote]i bet she would love to...but no one is buying, so many have lost big money, i know someone that has abandoned their dream home in spain now its a bit of a wreak. DogsMessInLeigh

7:45am Thu 5 Dec 13

Nowthatsworthknowing says...

Greedy cow ! sell the Spanish property, pay back what you swindled out of the social, and live a cleaner life.
Greedy cow ! sell the Spanish property, pay back what you swindled out of the social, and live a cleaner life. Nowthatsworthknowing

8:07am Thu 5 Dec 13

daveframpton says...

Spend millions on people who have not put a penny into the system and yet deny this lady !! GB GONE MAD.
Spend millions on people who have not put a penny into the system and yet deny this lady !! GB GONE MAD. daveframpton

8:10am Thu 5 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

the problem is the house is not worth £130,000. everything has a price. there is a price that it will sell but she'd rather wait for prices to recover and fleece the taxpayer in the meantime. it's yet another hard luck story. where are the parents in all of this?
the problem is the house is not worth £130,000. everything has a price. there is a price that it will sell but she'd rather wait for prices to recover and fleece the taxpayer in the meantime. it's yet another hard luck story. where are the parents in all of this? profondo asbo

8:20am Thu 5 Dec 13

Speedysnail says...

profondo asbo wrote:
the problem is the house is not worth £130,000. everything has a price. there is a price that it will sell but she'd rather wait for prices to recover and fleece the taxpayer in the meantime. it's yet another hard luck story. where are the parents in all of this?
Probably in Spain. Livivng in the apartment.
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: the problem is the house is not worth £130,000. everything has a price. there is a price that it will sell but she'd rather wait for prices to recover and fleece the taxpayer in the meantime. it's yet another hard luck story. where are the parents in all of this?[/p][/quote]Probably in Spain. Livivng in the apartment. Speedysnail

8:23am Thu 5 Dec 13

returnoftheleftie says...

She flat out lied on her application, she should accept the consequences, as all it does is give idiots ammunition to cast all those on benefits as scroungers and cheats, despite them being a fraction of a percent. She would have had more luck if she had been honest from the start
She flat out lied on her application, she should accept the consequences, as all it does is give idiots ammunition to cast all those on benefits as scroungers and cheats, despite them being a fraction of a percent. She would have had more luck if she had been honest from the start returnoftheleftie

8:45am Thu 5 Dec 13

heartbeat says...

whateverhappened wrote:
^^^
your missing the point and the sentence that says "I have had it up for sale for two years, but not one person has been interested because the market has crashed in Spain"
if you cant sell an asset has it still got a value?
I can't for the life of me understand why this story is being reported as "angry gran".

She says she can't work because of looking after the grandson and then it says he is at a boarding school from Monday to Friday. She also says she didn't "just buy that house" but that she and her husband worked hard - I don't understand the relevance as it says she bought it ten years ago and he passed away sixteen years ago.

Anything is only "worth" what someone will pay for it. Just because the place has lost £40,000 value or whatever (everyhing will sell at a certain price - you don't see properties, even in Spain, selling for £20) it doesnt mean taxpayers should, in effect, underwrite poor business decisions forever more. It reads to me like she has had a two year period of grace (and doesn't need to pay back any of the benefit) which sounds pretty generous. !t's sad, of course, but it was no different for people in this country when prices lost about a third of their value in the 1980s - you couldnt just carry on getting benefits forever more just because in your mind you had a place "worth" say £200,000 when actually no-one wanted to pay more than, say, £130,000 for it. Why should it be any different if the property is in the UK, but not in Spain? Totally bizarre news piece on the face of it.
[quote][p][bold]whateverhappened[/bold] wrote: ^^^ your missing the point and the sentence that says "I have had it up for sale for two years, but not one person has been interested because the market has crashed in Spain" if you cant sell an asset has it still got a value?[/p][/quote]I can't for the life of me understand why this story is being reported as "angry gran". She says she can't work because of looking after the grandson and then it says he is at a boarding school from Monday to Friday. She also says she didn't "just buy that house" but that she and her husband worked hard - I don't understand the relevance as it says she bought it ten years ago and he passed away sixteen years ago. Anything is only "worth" what someone will pay for it. Just because the place has lost £40,000 value or whatever (everyhing will sell at a certain price - you don't see properties, even in Spain, selling for £20) it doesnt mean taxpayers should, in effect, underwrite poor business decisions forever more. It reads to me like she has had a two year period of grace (and doesn't need to pay back any of the benefit) which sounds pretty generous. !t's sad, of course, but it was no different for people in this country when prices lost about a third of their value in the 1980s - you couldnt just carry on getting benefits forever more just because in your mind you had a place "worth" say £200,000 when actually no-one wanted to pay more than, say, £130,000 for it. Why should it be any different if the property is in the UK, but not in Spain? Totally bizarre news piece on the face of it. heartbeat

8:53am Thu 5 Dec 13

the citizen says...

Typical Echo journalism. £170,000 property? If its on the market for £130,000 then its a £130,000 property. The old valuation is meaningless...but it looks more provocative in a headline. If she lied then she only has herself to blame. She may have been given more help had she been upfront about her asset in Spain. The most important thing is the legitimate care of the grandson. he must not be made to pay by the withdrawal of support. Are the parents getting extra help as well as the grandmother? If the parents are getting childcare allowance they are giving it to their mother AND she is is getting extra because she is a carer? Thus justifying the need for an extra bedroom?
Typical Echo journalism. £170,000 property? If its on the market for £130,000 then its a £130,000 property. The old valuation is meaningless...but it looks more provocative in a headline. If she lied then she only has herself to blame. She may have been given more help had she been upfront about her asset in Spain. The most important thing is the legitimate care of the grandson. he must not be made to pay by the withdrawal of support. Are the parents getting extra help as well as the grandmother? If the parents are getting childcare allowance they are giving it to their mother AND she is is getting extra because she is a carer? Thus justifying the need for an extra bedroom? the citizen

9:00am Thu 5 Dec 13

Russ13 says...

Bit of a non-story really..... perhaps she should get the holiday home put in her grandson's name ;)
Bit of a non-story really..... perhaps she should get the holiday home put in her grandson's name ;) Russ13

9:34am Thu 5 Dec 13

I-say-you-say says...

heartbeat - I'm glad someone picked up on the very important fact that she states she cannot work due to looking after her grandson and yet he's away at boarding school Monday-Friday! Talk about shoot herself in the foot!

Stop being a lazy moo, get a job and deal with it. Either that or go live in the penthouse in Spain that you own rather than expecting a larger property from the council that could go to someone who actually doesn't have somewhere to go!

As for "writing to the Queen" - REALLY?!! Another example of someone expecting everything for nothing when they already have enough!
heartbeat - I'm glad someone picked up on the very important fact that she states she cannot work due to looking after her grandson and yet he's away at boarding school Monday-Friday! Talk about shoot herself in the foot! Stop being a lazy moo, get a job and deal with it. Either that or go live in the penthouse in Spain that you own rather than expecting a larger property from the council that could go to someone who actually doesn't have somewhere to go! As for "writing to the Queen" - REALLY?!! Another example of someone expecting everything for nothing when they already have enough! I-say-you-say

10:04am Thu 5 Dec 13

beverman says...

Well done the Tory administration. Spot on, Again.
Cancel this ladies benefit immediately. TBH I would have taken her to court for repayment as she lied on her application.
If she lied then she knew what she was doing was wrong. Surly to receive an income based on false information is fraud?
"Tough luck love. If you don't like it, go live the dream in you're Penthouse".
P.S. Good luck writing to the Queen lol. Why not try Richard Branson, he's worth a few quid too.
Scrounging cretin.
Well done the Tory administration. Spot on, Again. Cancel this ladies benefit immediately. TBH I would have taken her to court for repayment as she lied on her application. If she lied then she knew what she was doing was wrong. Surly to receive an income based on false information is fraud? "Tough luck love. If you don't like it, go live the dream in you're Penthouse". P.S. Good luck writing to the Queen lol. Why not try Richard Branson, he's worth a few quid too. Scrounging cretin. beverman

10:08am Thu 5 Dec 13

whateverhappened says...

in fairness a penthouse in spain on the pension and winter fuel or basildon on pension and winter fuel er hello easy jet
in fairness a penthouse in spain on the pension and winter fuel or basildon on pension and winter fuel er hello easy jet whateverhappened

10:10am Thu 5 Dec 13

Fcuk Da Police says...

It's just that she has been unlucky. Had she sold her property before the council found out about the Spanish home, she would of still been getting her benefits, and had £130,000 in the bank. I do think it's harsh though to stop her benefits. She has a very good reason to be claiming as she needs to look after her grandson. That's not her choice her grandson has special needs and needs constant looking after. But what I do find wrong is when people have loads of children, get £40,000 a year in benefits, and get out up in a house worth £400,000. Welcome to benefit Britain.
It's just that she has been unlucky. Had she sold her property before the council found out about the Spanish home, she would of still been getting her benefits, and had £130,000 in the bank. I do think it's harsh though to stop her benefits. She has a very good reason to be claiming as she needs to look after her grandson. That's not her choice her grandson has special needs and needs constant looking after. But what I do find wrong is when people have loads of children, get £40,000 a year in benefits, and get out up in a house worth £400,000. Welcome to benefit Britain. Fcuk Da Police

12:19pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Vange Resident says...

profondo asbo wrote:
the problem is the house is not worth £130,000. everything has a price. there is a price that it will sell but she'd rather wait for prices to recover and fleece the taxpayer in the meantime. it's yet another hard luck story. where are the parents in all of this?
If she really wants to sell so she can get her hands on the cash then she needs to sell for a lot less, make a loss and someone will buy it. Everything has a price as do morals!
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: the problem is the house is not worth £130,000. everything has a price. there is a price that it will sell but she'd rather wait for prices to recover and fleece the taxpayer in the meantime. it's yet another hard luck story. where are the parents in all of this?[/p][/quote]If she really wants to sell so she can get her hands on the cash then she needs to sell for a lot less, make a loss and someone will buy it. Everything has a price as do morals! Vange Resident

12:20pm Thu 5 Dec 13

andy:) says...

heartbeat wrote:
whateverhappened wrote:
^^^
your missing the point and the sentence that says "I have had it up for sale for two years, but not one person has been interested because the market has crashed in Spain"
if you cant sell an asset has it still got a value?
I can't for the life of me understand why this story is being reported as "angry gran".

She says she can't work because of looking after the grandson and then it says he is at a boarding school from Monday to Friday. She also says she didn't "just buy that house" but that she and her husband worked hard - I don't understand the relevance as it says she bought it ten years ago and he passed away sixteen years ago.

Anything is only "worth" what someone will pay for it. Just because the place has lost £40,000 value or whatever (everyhing will sell at a certain price - you don't see properties, even in Spain, selling for £20) it doesnt mean taxpayers should, in effect, underwrite poor business decisions forever more. It reads to me like she has had a two year period of grace (and doesn't need to pay back any of the benefit) which sounds pretty generous. !t's sad, of course, but it was no different for people in this country when prices lost about a third of their value in the 1980s - you couldnt just carry on getting benefits forever more just because in your mind you had a place "worth" say £200,000 when actually no-one wanted to pay more than, say, £130,000 for it. Why should it be any different if the property is in the UK, but not in Spain? Totally bizarre news piece on the face of it.
A well written response, half the posts above appear to be from idiots who didn't even read the story.
[quote][p][bold]heartbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whateverhappened[/bold] wrote: ^^^ your missing the point and the sentence that says "I have had it up for sale for two years, but not one person has been interested because the market has crashed in Spain" if you cant sell an asset has it still got a value?[/p][/quote]I can't for the life of me understand why this story is being reported as "angry gran". She says she can't work because of looking after the grandson and then it says he is at a boarding school from Monday to Friday. She also says she didn't "just buy that house" but that she and her husband worked hard - I don't understand the relevance as it says she bought it ten years ago and he passed away sixteen years ago. Anything is only "worth" what someone will pay for it. Just because the place has lost £40,000 value or whatever (everyhing will sell at a certain price - you don't see properties, even in Spain, selling for £20) it doesnt mean taxpayers should, in effect, underwrite poor business decisions forever more. It reads to me like she has had a two year period of grace (and doesn't need to pay back any of the benefit) which sounds pretty generous. !t's sad, of course, but it was no different for people in this country when prices lost about a third of their value in the 1980s - you couldnt just carry on getting benefits forever more just because in your mind you had a place "worth" say £200,000 when actually no-one wanted to pay more than, say, £130,000 for it. Why should it be any different if the property is in the UK, but not in Spain? Totally bizarre news piece on the face of it.[/p][/quote]A well written response, half the posts above appear to be from idiots who didn't even read the story. andy:)

12:50pm Thu 5 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

Vange Resident wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
the problem is the house is not worth £130,000. everything has a price. there is a price that it will sell but she'd rather wait for prices to recover and fleece the taxpayer in the meantime. it's yet another hard luck story. where are the parents in all of this?
If she really wants to sell so she can get her hands on the cash then she needs to sell for a lot less, make a loss and someone will buy it. Everything has a price as do morals!
morals??? you've got to be joking...
[quote][p][bold]Vange Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: the problem is the house is not worth £130,000. everything has a price. there is a price that it will sell but she'd rather wait for prices to recover and fleece the taxpayer in the meantime. it's yet another hard luck story. where are the parents in all of this?[/p][/quote]If she really wants to sell so she can get her hands on the cash then she needs to sell for a lot less, make a loss and someone will buy it. Everything has a price as do morals![/p][/quote]morals??? you've got to be joking... profondo asbo

12:59pm Thu 5 Dec 13

essex bad boy says...

Correct me if I am wrong, the latest law in regards to having "access" to another property whilst in council property is a big no-no so what happened to the new Prevention of Social Housing Fraud Act then? Since the property is within the EU then by law she cannot HAVE any social housing within the UK surely? + Claiming benefits too... “I’m going to write to the Queen about it.” what if someone wrote to the CPS on your behalf dearie? or the fraud section of DWP, oh they know but did nothing .... stop bleaching and move to SPAIN then, you can still get benefits there, not as much but you can have sun sea rent free what more do you want then?
Correct me if I am wrong, the latest law in regards to having "access" to another property whilst in council property is a big no-no so what happened to the new Prevention of Social Housing Fraud Act then? Since the property is within the EU then by law she cannot HAVE any social housing within the UK surely? + Claiming benefits too... “I’m going to write to the Queen about it.” what if someone wrote to the CPS on your behalf dearie? or the fraud section of DWP, oh they know but did nothing .... stop bleaching and move to SPAIN then, you can still get benefits there, not as much but you can have sun sea rent free what more do you want then? essex bad boy

1:10pm Thu 5 Dec 13

EssexPerson says...

lol at the "I'm going to write to the Queen". Be something like this?
Dear Queen,
I need a 2 bed house even though the child is in boarding school 5 days a week, I cant work as I for the last 3 months I have had too look after the child for 2 days a week. I have been stopped from scrounging of the system as I have a £100K+ Spanish penthouse. I lied and received benefits I weren't entitled to for over 2 years but don't have to pay a penny back.
ITS NOT FAIR.
Yours Mrs Greedy
lol at the "I'm going to write to the Queen". Be something like this? Dear Queen, I need a 2 bed house even though the child is in boarding school 5 days a week, I cant work as I for the last 3 months I have had too look after the child for 2 days a week. I have been stopped from scrounging of the system as I have a £100K+ Spanish penthouse. I lied and received benefits I weren't entitled to for over 2 years but don't have to pay a penny back. ITS NOT FAIR. Yours Mrs Greedy EssexPerson

4:10pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Minceir. says...

“I’m going to write to the Queen about it.”

Why?
“I’m going to write to the Queen about it.” Why? Minceir.

4:52pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Howard Cháse says...

Sell the property in Spain to the Council
Sell the property in Spain to the Council Howard Cháse

5:07pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Tich25 says...

Can I get Housing Benefits owning my own House if so please let me know who I see.
Can I get Housing Benefits owning my own House if so please let me know who I see. Tich25

6:23pm Thu 5 Dec 13

InTheKnowOk says...

What a joke ... Bit like those that move out to Spain and come back for all their healthcare ...
What a joke ... Bit like those that move out to Spain and come back for all their healthcare ... InTheKnowOk

7:51pm Thu 5 Dec 13

bazza 1 says...

whateverhappened wrote:
^^^
your missing the point and the sentence that says "I have had it up for sale for two years, but not one person has been interested because the market has crashed in Spain"
if you cant sell an asset has it still got a value?
Short answer to that question is YES, it still has value. It's value is what someone is willing to pay for it. If she put her house for sale at it's worth now, she would probably sell it. What do you do when you sell a car? You drop the price until someone thinks it's a bargain. Well she needs to do the same with her house.
[quote][p][bold]whateverhappened[/bold] wrote: ^^^ your missing the point and the sentence that says "I have had it up for sale for two years, but not one person has been interested because the market has crashed in Spain" if you cant sell an asset has it still got a value?[/p][/quote]Short answer to that question is YES, it still has value. It's value is what someone is willing to pay for it. If she put her house for sale at it's worth now, she would probably sell it. What do you do when you sell a car? You drop the price until someone thinks it's a bargain. Well she needs to do the same with her house. bazza 1

7:57pm Thu 5 Dec 13

whataday says...

Having read all the above I can see why people are angry. However, the woman in question now has custody of her grandson that means parental responsibility so she has to be available for meetings etc. about her grandchild. The article says the council have known about the property for years but it seems to read she has been claiming benefits for just two and a half years. Maybe the council were aware she had a place in Spain because, maybe, their Social Service Dept. asked her to come back to England to care for her grandson as Social Services usually look to grandparents as alternative carers if there are enough concerns to remove a child from its parents. I obviously don't know I am only saying there may be other factors as the council seems to have known of this place in Spain but have given her grace which I don't think they usually do. Maybe she isn't allowed to take her grandson to live in Spain as Social Services seem to be involved. What her circumstances are I don't know but what I do know is it seems okay for foreigners who haven't paid a penny into our system to come here and claim benefits despite the fact they own properties in their own country.
Having read all the above I can see why people are angry. However, the woman in question now has custody of her grandson that means parental responsibility so she has to be available for meetings etc. about her grandchild. The article says the council have known about the property for years but it seems to read she has been claiming benefits for just two and a half years. Maybe the council were aware she had a place in Spain because, maybe, their Social Service Dept. asked her to come back to England to care for her grandson as Social Services usually look to grandparents as alternative carers if there are enough concerns to remove a child from its parents. I obviously don't know I am only saying there may be other factors as the council seems to have known of this place in Spain but have given her grace which I don't think they usually do. Maybe she isn't allowed to take her grandson to live in Spain as Social Services seem to be involved. What her circumstances are I don't know but what I do know is it seems okay for foreigners who haven't paid a penny into our system to come here and claim benefits despite the fact they own properties in their own country. whataday

9:58pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Nebs says...

Put the Spanish property up for auction. You will get what it is currently worth, no more and no less. In the meantime the council could get a charge on the property to cover all the money they are paying her, so as they will get it back with interest when the property sells.
Put the Spanish property up for auction. You will get what it is currently worth, no more and no less. In the meantime the council could get a charge on the property to cover all the money they are paying her, so as they will get it back with interest when the property sells. Nebs

11:21pm Thu 5 Dec 13

emcee says...

Simple answer. Sell me the property in Spain for £15,999 and you will get your housing benefit.

I am afraid I am with the council on this one.
Simple answer. Sell me the property in Spain for £15,999 and you will get your housing benefit. I am afraid I am with the council on this one. emcee

3:43am Fri 6 Dec 13

_Lotus_ says...

Speedysnail wrote:
Don't cheat the system then love. If you are that desperate for money sell your holiday home.
She has been trying to sell it for two years.
[quote][p][bold]Speedysnail[/bold] wrote: Don't cheat the system then love. If you are that desperate for money sell your holiday home.[/p][/quote]She has been trying to sell it for two years. _Lotus_

8:30am Fri 6 Dec 13

yellowfairy says...

Her child goes to boarding school, if she can afford those payments then she doesn't need benefits, wether she can sell her Spanish home or not, wouldn't we all like the luxury of owning a Spanish home and send our children to boarding school, whilst still claiming benefits. She has an asset that she can't sell yes, but will she pay back the benefits she after when she sells it?
Her child goes to boarding school, if she can afford those payments then she doesn't need benefits, wether she can sell her Spanish home or not, wouldn't we all like the luxury of owning a Spanish home and send our children to boarding school, whilst still claiming benefits. She has an asset that she can't sell yes, but will she pay back the benefits she after when she sells it? yellowfairy

10:46am Fri 6 Dec 13

robb789 says...

Maybe the Queen will donate a large enough property to help her look after the grandson, what about Sandringham?
Maybe the Queen will donate a large enough property to help her look after the grandson, what about Sandringham? robb789

11:13am Fri 6 Dec 13

I-say-you-say says...

whataday wrote:
Having read all the above I can see why people are angry. However, the woman in question now has custody of her grandson that means parental responsibility so she has to be available for meetings etc. about her grandchild. The article says the council have known about the property for years but it seems to read she has been claiming benefits for just two and a half years. Maybe the council were aware she had a place in Spain because, maybe, their Social Service Dept. asked her to come back to England to care for her grandson as Social Services usually look to grandparents as alternative carers if there are enough concerns to remove a child from its parents. I obviously don't know I am only saying there may be other factors as the council seems to have known of this place in Spain but have given her grace which I don't think they usually do. Maybe she isn't allowed to take her grandson to live in Spain as Social Services seem to be involved. What her circumstances are I don't know but what I do know is it seems okay for foreigners who haven't paid a penny into our system to come here and claim benefits despite the fact they own properties in their own country.
What has "parental responsibility" got to do with it? Don't all parents have to be available for meeting etc over their children? Does that mean if you're a parent you never have to work again, can own your own home and still claim benefits?

Maybe they did give her "grace" due to taking over the care of her grandson - FOR TWO DAYS A WEEK - but as they have said, enough is enough. She should be grateful they're not claiming the money back and having her for making a fraudulant claim - oh and when she does sell the property in Spain, she will not get any benefits back for a while as she will not be entitled due to having the sale money.

So best add that to the letter to the Queen!
[quote][p][bold]whataday[/bold] wrote: Having read all the above I can see why people are angry. However, the woman in question now has custody of her grandson that means parental responsibility so she has to be available for meetings etc. about her grandchild. The article says the council have known about the property for years but it seems to read she has been claiming benefits for just two and a half years. Maybe the council were aware she had a place in Spain because, maybe, their Social Service Dept. asked her to come back to England to care for her grandson as Social Services usually look to grandparents as alternative carers if there are enough concerns to remove a child from its parents. I obviously don't know I am only saying there may be other factors as the council seems to have known of this place in Spain but have given her grace which I don't think they usually do. Maybe she isn't allowed to take her grandson to live in Spain as Social Services seem to be involved. What her circumstances are I don't know but what I do know is it seems okay for foreigners who haven't paid a penny into our system to come here and claim benefits despite the fact they own properties in their own country.[/p][/quote]What has "parental responsibility" got to do with it? Don't all parents have to be available for meeting etc over their children? Does that mean if you're a parent you never have to work again, can own your own home and still claim benefits? Maybe they did give her "grace" due to taking over the care of her grandson - FOR TWO DAYS A WEEK - but as they have said, enough is enough. She should be grateful they're not claiming the money back and having her for making a fraudulant claim - oh and when she does sell the property in Spain, she will not get any benefits back for a while as she will not be entitled due to having the sale money. So best add that to the letter to the Queen! I-say-you-say

3:39pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Eviekat says...

Yeah I should say, go move in to it and live in Spain! Its a no brainer really!

No SS either, it would Be a great life...

Dam who'd stay here in a bedsit rather than live in a pent house in the sun?

Some people dont have the brains they were born with!

I'd be an angry granny if I was here all winter instead of there! Easy jet please!!
Yeah I should say, go move in to it and live in Spain! Its a no brainer really! No SS either, it would Be a great life... Dam who'd stay here in a bedsit rather than live in a pent house in the sun? Some people dont have the brains they were born with! I'd be an angry granny if I was here all winter instead of there! Easy jet please!! Eviekat

3:42pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Eviekat says...

robb789 wrote:
Maybe the Queen will donate a large enough property to help her look after the grandson, what about Sandringham?
I'm Gonna write to her too, see if I can get some of that action x
[quote][p][bold]robb789[/bold] wrote: Maybe the Queen will donate a large enough property to help her look after the grandson, what about Sandringham?[/p][/quote]I'm Gonna write to her too, see if I can get some of that action x Eviekat

3:43pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Eviekat says...

Let me know what the Queen says yeah? Lol!
Let me know what the Queen says yeah? Lol! Eviekat

6:24pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Bigmama1 says...

Fcuk Da Police wrote:
It's just that she has been unlucky. Had she sold her property before the council found out about the Spanish home, she would of still been getting her benefits, and had £130,000 in the bank. I do think it's harsh though to stop her benefits. She has a very good reason to be claiming as she needs to look after her grandson. That's not her choice her grandson has special needs and needs constant looking after. But what I do find wrong is when people have loads of children, get £40,000 a year in benefits, and get out up in a house worth £400,000. Welcome to benefit Britain.
No, if she did have £130,000 in the bank she would NOT qualify for benefits. That's why she hasn't reduced the selling price of her Spanish property! She is hoping to keep it. As far as looking after her grandson - he is looked after at boarding school Monday to Driday, so she only has him for Saturday and Sunday to feed. She is free to go and get a job, any job for 5 days. It's the usual story of trying to get something for nothing. She is a sponger.
[quote][p][bold]Fcuk Da Police[/bold] wrote: It's just that she has been unlucky. Had she sold her property before the council found out about the Spanish home, she would of still been getting her benefits, and had £130,000 in the bank. I do think it's harsh though to stop her benefits. She has a very good reason to be claiming as she needs to look after her grandson. That's not her choice her grandson has special needs and needs constant looking after. But what I do find wrong is when people have loads of children, get £40,000 a year in benefits, and get out up in a house worth £400,000. Welcome to benefit Britain.[/p][/quote]No, if she did have £130,000 in the bank she would NOT qualify for benefits. That's why she hasn't reduced the selling price of her Spanish property! She is hoping to keep it. As far as looking after her grandson - he is looked after at boarding school Monday to Driday, so she only has him for Saturday and Sunday to feed. She is free to go and get a job, any job for 5 days. It's the usual story of trying to get something for nothing. She is a sponger. Bigmama1

10:18pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Southend65 says...

Anyone recognise the likeness to Baldrick ?

http://userserve-ak.
last.fm/serve/_/3441
2887/Tony+Robinson+1
5558631.jpg
Anyone recognise the likeness to Baldrick ? http://userserve-ak. last.fm/serve/_/3441 2887/Tony+Robinson+1 5558631.jpg Southend65

3:07am Sat 7 Dec 13

Eviekat says...

Southend65 wrote:
Anyone recognise the likeness to Baldrick ?

http://userserve-ak.

last.fm/serve/_/3441

2887/Tony+Robinson+1

5558631.jpg
Black adder black adder...
[quote][p][bold]Southend65[/bold] wrote: Anyone recognise the likeness to Baldrick ? http://userserve-ak. last.fm/serve/_/3441 2887/Tony+Robinson+1 5558631.jpg[/p][/quote]Black adder black adder... Eviekat

9:56am Sat 7 Dec 13

bazza 1 says...

_Lotus_ wrote:
Speedysnail wrote:
Don't cheat the system then love. If you are that desperate for money sell your holiday home.
She has been trying to sell it for two years.
She has been trying to sell it for too much money. She needs to ask a realistic price. Her real reason was probably that if she had sold it and realised a sum of money from the sale, her benefits would have stopped instantly. She wanted it both ways. Benefits, and a nest egg.
[quote][p][bold]_Lotus_[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Speedysnail[/bold] wrote: Don't cheat the system then love. If you are that desperate for money sell your holiday home.[/p][/quote]She has been trying to sell it for two years.[/p][/quote]She has been trying to sell it for too much money. She needs to ask a realistic price. Her real reason was probably that if she had sold it and realised a sum of money from the sale, her benefits would have stopped instantly. She wanted it both ways. Benefits, and a nest egg. bazza 1

12:08pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Ed Woods says...

Property that is for sale is disregarded for 6 months and longer if reasonable for benefits purposes. They have disregarded the capital value of the property for an additional 2 years. How long is reasonable to disregard the capital value of another property?

This story also contradicts itself. First is says she failed to tell the Council then it says the Council were made aware a number of years ago and have given her a period of grace to sell it.

She also says she can't work because her grandson has special needs but she also says the grandson is at boarding school during the week and only comes home at the weekends. So Monday to Friday she could work.

If she now has custody of her Grandson she can claim Child Tax Credits, Child Benefit, possibly carers allowance. The Grandson would also be in receipt of DLA depending on his needs.

And don't write to the Queen.

Appeal to the Council asking for it to go to Tribunal - the Council doesn't have to follow the decision of the DWP.

Appeal to the DWP about your other benefits stopping.
Property that is for sale is disregarded for 6 months and longer if reasonable for benefits purposes. They have disregarded the capital value of the property for an additional 2 years. How long is reasonable to disregard the capital value of another property? This story also contradicts itself. First is says she failed to tell the Council then it says the Council were made aware a number of years ago and have given her a period of grace to sell it. She also says she can't work because her grandson has special needs but she also says the grandson is at boarding school during the week and only comes home at the weekends. So Monday to Friday she could work. If she now has custody of her Grandson she can claim Child Tax Credits, Child Benefit, possibly carers allowance. The Grandson would also be in receipt of DLA depending on his needs. And don't write to the Queen. Appeal to the Council asking for it to go to Tribunal - the Council doesn't have to follow the decision of the DWP. Appeal to the DWP about your other benefits stopping. Ed Woods

12:11pm Sat 7 Dec 13

PhatBloke says...

Seems like a clear-cut case of benefit fraud. Why hasn't she been banged up??
Seems like a clear-cut case of benefit fraud. Why hasn't she been banged up?? PhatBloke

12:06am Sun 8 Dec 13

Ed Woods says...

PhatBloke wrote:
Seems like a clear-cut case of benefit fraud. Why hasn't she been banged up??
Because it isn't benefit fraud. If your other property is for sale then it is disregarded as capital for 26 weeks or longer if reasonable.
[quote][p][bold]PhatBloke[/bold] wrote: Seems like a clear-cut case of benefit fraud. Why hasn't she been banged up??[/p][/quote]Because it isn't benefit fraud. If your other property is for sale then it is disregarded as capital for 26 weeks or longer if reasonable. Ed Woods

10:28am Mon 9 Dec 13

Bernard Fatsack says...

Minceir. wrote:
“I’m going to write to the Queen about it.”

Why?
how laughable. You abide by the system otherwise it is fraud.
This is a non story that will only get the reaction it deserves.
[quote][p][bold]Minceir.[/bold] wrote: “I’m going to write to the Queen about it.” Why?[/p][/quote]how laughable. You abide by the system otherwise it is fraud. This is a non story that will only get the reaction it deserves. Bernard Fatsack

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