Dog death prompts calls for dogs to be kept on leads

Southend Standard: Yvonne Seymour Yvonne Seymour

CAMPAIGNERS want dogs kept on leads in all public places following the savage death of tiny bichon frize Sophie. Anne Fotheringham’s ten-year-old pet was killed by a Bulgarian mountain dog a week ago as she was being walked in Plumberow Mount, Hockley, with a friend and her two small children. A woman who witnessed the tiny dog being mauled has called for all pet owners to be made to keep their dogs on leads. Yvonne Seymour, 70, of Appleyard Avenue, Hockley, said: “It was terrible I heard a scream and wondered what was going on. “A big dog was attacking a little one and a boy was trying to get it off. It was awful and sent chills down my spine. “I didn’t know what to do. “I felt so sorry for the lady and her little dog. I beg people to keep their dogs on leads. There is no excuse.” Hockley councillor Keith Hudson also wants tighter controls. He said: “It is never the dog’s fault it is the owner’s fault. It is up to owners to accept responsibility and ensure their dogs are kept in a safe situation. “This sort of thing is happening too often with more and more people and pets being attacked. Dogs should never be off the lead where there are children and families.”

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7:39am Thu 2 May 13

Horace Wimpole says...

Quite right. As a dog owner myself, I'd say this is a no-brainer.
Quite right. As a dog owner myself, I'd say this is a no-brainer. Horace Wimpole

7:49am Thu 2 May 13

Evilgenius75 says...

While I totally sympathise with the owners of both the dogs involved in this terrible incident. I think a little more thought has to be put into a practical solution that will be beneficial to dogs, their owners and the general public. I personally believe that tighter controls should be put on people keeping dogs Which in my opinion should involve registration, a test and home inspection for prospective dog owners, compulsory microchipping and neutering except for licensed breeders. In addition to this the council should set aside areas designated for dogs to run freely without children playing and a code of conduct for owners and their dogs. This could also be a good business opportunity for someone if they wanted to do it on private land (this too would have to be licensed and legislated obviously).
While I totally sympathise with the owners of both the dogs involved in this terrible incident. I think a little more thought has to be put into a practical solution that will be beneficial to dogs, their owners and the general public. I personally believe that tighter controls should be put on people keeping dogs Which in my opinion should involve registration, a test and home inspection for prospective dog owners, compulsory microchipping and neutering except for licensed breeders. In addition to this the council should set aside areas designated for dogs to run freely without children playing and a code of conduct for owners and their dogs. This could also be a good business opportunity for someone if they wanted to do it on private land (this too would have to be licensed and legislated obviously). Evilgenius75

7:54am Thu 2 May 13

norfolkbroad says...

A dog will act according to its nature:it is not the dog's fault if someone is bitten ,it's the owner's fault. Whilst I sympathise immensely with Mrs. Fotheringham, demonising and penalising all dogs because of a few irresponsible owners is wrong. Dogs need to run and should be allowed off the lead - there must be a better way.
A dog will act according to its nature:it is not the dog's fault if someone is bitten ,it's the owner's fault. Whilst I sympathise immensely with Mrs. Fotheringham, demonising and penalising all dogs because of a few irresponsible owners is wrong. Dogs need to run and should be allowed off the lead - there must be a better way. norfolkbroad

7:55am Thu 2 May 13

pembury53 says...

Evilgenius75 wrote:
While I totally sympathise with the owners of both the dogs involved in this terrible incident. I think a little more thought has to be put into a practical solution that will be beneficial to dogs, their owners and the general public. I personally believe that tighter controls should be put on people keeping dogs Which in my opinion should involve registration, a test and home inspection for prospective dog owners, compulsory microchipping and neutering except for licensed breeders. In addition to this the council should set aside areas designated for dogs to run freely without children playing and a code of conduct for owners and their dogs. This could also be a good business opportunity for someone if they wanted to do it on private land (this too would have to be licensed and legislated obviously).
Yep, absolutely correct. It's utterly ridiculous that you don't need to register something that can kill a child.....
[quote][p][bold]Evilgenius75[/bold] wrote: While I totally sympathise with the owners of both the dogs involved in this terrible incident. I think a little more thought has to be put into a practical solution that will be beneficial to dogs, their owners and the general public. I personally believe that tighter controls should be put on people keeping dogs Which in my opinion should involve registration, a test and home inspection for prospective dog owners, compulsory microchipping and neutering except for licensed breeders. In addition to this the council should set aside areas designated for dogs to run freely without children playing and a code of conduct for owners and their dogs. This could also be a good business opportunity for someone if they wanted to do it on private land (this too would have to be licensed and legislated obviously).[/p][/quote]Yep, absolutely correct. It's utterly ridiculous that you don't need to register something that can kill a child..... pembury53

8:04am Thu 2 May 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Dogs need to run free to get proper exercise, so I would suggest leads in any public place that isn't a park or a beach etc. and muzzles in parks etc. so dogs can run.
Dogs need to run free to get proper exercise, so I would suggest leads in any public place that isn't a park or a beach etc. and muzzles in parks etc. so dogs can run. Shoebury_Cyclist

8:13am Thu 2 May 13

Nebs says...

Evilgenius75 wrote:
While I totally sympathise with the owners of both the dogs involved in this terrible incident. I think a little more thought has to be put into a practical solution that will be beneficial to dogs, their owners and the general public. I personally believe that tighter controls should be put on people keeping dogs Which in my opinion should involve registration, a test and home inspection for prospective dog owners, compulsory microchipping and neutering except for licensed breeders. In addition to this the council should set aside areas designated for dogs to run freely without children playing and a code of conduct for owners and their dogs. This could also be a good business opportunity for someone if they wanted to do it on private land (this too would have to be licensed and legislated obviously).
Great idea. What does the cost work out at, per dog in the country?
[quote][p][bold]Evilgenius75[/bold] wrote: While I totally sympathise with the owners of both the dogs involved in this terrible incident. I think a little more thought has to be put into a practical solution that will be beneficial to dogs, their owners and the general public. I personally believe that tighter controls should be put on people keeping dogs Which in my opinion should involve registration, a test and home inspection for prospective dog owners, compulsory microchipping and neutering except for licensed breeders. In addition to this the council should set aside areas designated for dogs to run freely without children playing and a code of conduct for owners and their dogs. This could also be a good business opportunity for someone if they wanted to do it on private land (this too would have to be licensed and legislated obviously).[/p][/quote]Great idea. What does the cost work out at, per dog in the country? Nebs

8:16am Thu 2 May 13

Evilgenius75 says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Dogs need to run free to get proper exercise, so I would suggest leads in any public place that isn't a park or a beach etc. and muzzles in parks etc. so dogs can run.
I truly believe this why we need to find a balance that works rather than just a blanket ban. I try to only let my 2 off the lead in the park once I've checked that there aren't any people around and call them back if I see anyone with children or other dogs. They both love playing fetch which would be impossible with a muzzle and burns off a lot of energy. I personally think that muzzling dogs is cruel and counter-productive mainly for this reason unless they are proved to be dangerous.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: Dogs need to run free to get proper exercise, so I would suggest leads in any public place that isn't a park or a beach etc. and muzzles in parks etc. so dogs can run.[/p][/quote]I truly believe this why we need to find a balance that works rather than just a blanket ban. I try to only let my 2 off the lead in the park once I've checked that there aren't any people around and call them back if I see anyone with children or other dogs. They both love playing fetch which would be impossible with a muzzle and burns off a lot of energy. I personally think that muzzling dogs is cruel and counter-productive mainly for this reason unless they are proved to be dangerous. Evilgenius75

8:23am Thu 2 May 13

Evilgenius75 says...

Nebs wrote:
Evilgenius75 wrote:
While I totally sympathise with the owners of both the dogs involved in this terrible incident. I think a little more thought has to be put into a practical solution that will be beneficial to dogs, their owners and the general public. I personally believe that tighter controls should be put on people keeping dogs Which in my opinion should involve registration, a test and home inspection for prospective dog owners, compulsory microchipping and neutering except for licensed breeders. In addition to this the council should set aside areas designated for dogs to run freely without children playing and a code of conduct for owners and their dogs. This could also be a good business opportunity for someone if they wanted to do it on private land (this too would have to be licensed and legislated obviously).
Great idea. What does the cost work out at, per dog in the country?
That would have to be worked out and then factored into the cost of registering dogs or charge for use for the parks. Council run parks should still be subsidised under current budgets for parks and recreational areas and any additional costs would have to be picked up by the dog owners or renting out space to grooming/ training businesses and advertising on fences. People would then have to consider whether they can afford this before getting a dog.
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Evilgenius75[/bold] wrote: While I totally sympathise with the owners of both the dogs involved in this terrible incident. I think a little more thought has to be put into a practical solution that will be beneficial to dogs, their owners and the general public. I personally believe that tighter controls should be put on people keeping dogs Which in my opinion should involve registration, a test and home inspection for prospective dog owners, compulsory microchipping and neutering except for licensed breeders. In addition to this the council should set aside areas designated for dogs to run freely without children playing and a code of conduct for owners and their dogs. This could also be a good business opportunity for someone if they wanted to do it on private land (this too would have to be licensed and legislated obviously).[/p][/quote]Great idea. What does the cost work out at, per dog in the country?[/p][/quote]That would have to be worked out and then factored into the cost of registering dogs or charge for use for the parks. Council run parks should still be subsidised under current budgets for parks and recreational areas and any additional costs would have to be picked up by the dog owners or renting out space to grooming/ training businesses and advertising on fences. People would then have to consider whether they can afford this before getting a dog. Evilgenius75

8:29am Thu 2 May 13

notinwestcliffanymore says...

Southend council at least do seem to provide a dog only green space, (not a dog owner so not sure). It is at the bottom of southbourne grove along side the 127. I stand corrected if this is private land. Still maybe all dogs over a certain weight or height should be muzzeled in public whilst off the lead, and on the lead when unmuzzeled. Although it wouldn t have stopped this incident
Southend council at least do seem to provide a dog only green space, (not a dog owner so not sure). It is at the bottom of southbourne grove along side the 127. I stand corrected if this is private land. Still maybe all dogs over a certain weight or height should be muzzeled in public whilst off the lead, and on the lead when unmuzzeled. Although it wouldn t have stopped this incident notinwestcliffanymore

8:37am Thu 2 May 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Evilgenius75 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Dogs need to run free to get proper exercise, so I would suggest leads in any public place that isn't a park or a beach etc. and muzzles in parks etc. so dogs can run.
I truly believe this why we need to find a balance that works rather than just a blanket ban. I try to only let my 2 off the lead in the park once I've checked that there aren't any people around and call them back if I see anyone with children or other dogs. They both love playing fetch which would be impossible with a muzzle and burns off a lot of energy. I personally think that muzzling dogs is cruel and counter-productive mainly for this reason unless they are proved to be dangerous.
"unless they are proved to be dangerous"

That only happens AFTER the dog has attacked another dog, or a child, etc. That's why muzzles should be compulsory for all dogs off their leads in a public place.
[quote][p][bold]Evilgenius75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: Dogs need to run free to get proper exercise, so I would suggest leads in any public place that isn't a park or a beach etc. and muzzles in parks etc. so dogs can run.[/p][/quote]I truly believe this why we need to find a balance that works rather than just a blanket ban. I try to only let my 2 off the lead in the park once I've checked that there aren't any people around and call them back if I see anyone with children or other dogs. They both love playing fetch which would be impossible with a muzzle and burns off a lot of energy. I personally think that muzzling dogs is cruel and counter-productive mainly for this reason unless they are proved to be dangerous.[/p][/quote]"unless they are proved to be dangerous" That only happens AFTER the dog has attacked another dog, or a child, etc. That's why muzzles should be compulsory for all dogs off their leads in a public place. Shoebury_Cyclist

8:58am Thu 2 May 13

Evilgenius75 says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Evilgenius75 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Dogs need to run free to get proper exercise, so I would suggest leads in any public place that isn't a park or a beach etc. and muzzles in parks etc. so dogs can run.
I truly believe this why we need to find a balance that works rather than just a blanket ban. I try to only let my 2 off the lead in the park once I've checked that there aren't any people around and call them back if I see anyone with children or other dogs. They both love playing fetch which would be impossible with a muzzle and burns off a lot of energy. I personally think that muzzling dogs is cruel and counter-productive mainly for this reason unless they are proved to be dangerous.
"unless they are proved to be dangerous"

That only happens AFTER the dog has attacked another dog, or a child, etc. That's why muzzles should be compulsory for all dogs off their leads in a public place.
Unfortunately you can't wrap the world in cotton wool. If the other measures I suggested were adopted as well the chances of this happening would be greatly reduced. While I can see you mean well I still believe it's completely wrong to muzzle dogs just because of a few owners who cannot keep them under control. Your solution is the most simple one just not necessarily the most fair. Cars would kill fewer people if they were coated in sponge and the speed limit was 10 miles per hour everywhere, but nobody would think that was a good idea.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Evilgenius75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: Dogs need to run free to get proper exercise, so I would suggest leads in any public place that isn't a park or a beach etc. and muzzles in parks etc. so dogs can run.[/p][/quote]I truly believe this why we need to find a balance that works rather than just a blanket ban. I try to only let my 2 off the lead in the park once I've checked that there aren't any people around and call them back if I see anyone with children or other dogs. They both love playing fetch which would be impossible with a muzzle and burns off a lot of energy. I personally think that muzzling dogs is cruel and counter-productive mainly for this reason unless they are proved to be dangerous.[/p][/quote]"unless they are proved to be dangerous" That only happens AFTER the dog has attacked another dog, or a child, etc. That's why muzzles should be compulsory for all dogs off their leads in a public place.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately you can't wrap the world in cotton wool. If the other measures I suggested were adopted as well the chances of this happening would be greatly reduced. While I can see you mean well I still believe it's completely wrong to muzzle dogs just because of a few owners who cannot keep them under control. Your solution is the most simple one just not necessarily the most fair. Cars would kill fewer people if they were coated in sponge and the speed limit was 10 miles per hour everywhere, but nobody would think that was a good idea. Evilgenius75

9:12am Thu 2 May 13

Matthews11 says...

Not that this would have been a help in this case. If you read the previous stories you will notice that the dog that attacked actually escaped through a broken fence, so was therefore alone and not with beong walked by it's owner.
Not that this would have been a help in this case. If you read the previous stories you will notice that the dog that attacked actually escaped through a broken fence, so was therefore alone and not with beong walked by it's owner. Matthews11

9:29am Thu 2 May 13

Beth the original one says...

excuse me if i am wrong, but wasnt the dog that attacked the bichon frise a dog that had escaped from its garden so there for this frantic calling for all dogs to be on a lead rather futile, especially as the dog in question wouldnt have been on a lead in its garden, unless of course the panic brigade now suggests that dogs are on leads permanently
excuse me if i am wrong, but wasnt the dog that attacked the bichon frise a dog that had escaped from its garden so there for this frantic calling for all dogs to be on a lead rather futile, especially as the dog in question wouldnt have been on a lead in its garden, unless of course the panic brigade now suggests that dogs are on leads permanently Beth the original one

9:44am Thu 2 May 13

notinwestcliffanymore says...

Beth the original one wrote:
excuse me if i am wrong, but wasnt the dog that attacked the bichon frise a dog that had escaped from its garden so there for this frantic calling for all dogs to be on a lead rather futile, especially as the dog in question wouldnt have been on a lead in its garden, unless of course the panic brigade now suggests that dogs are on leads permanently
Maybe the temperament of this dog is why it was chained up in bulgaria in the first place.
[quote][p][bold]Beth the original one[/bold] wrote: excuse me if i am wrong, but wasnt the dog that attacked the bichon frise a dog that had escaped from its garden so there for this frantic calling for all dogs to be on a lead rather futile, especially as the dog in question wouldnt have been on a lead in its garden, unless of course the panic brigade now suggests that dogs are on leads permanently[/p][/quote]Maybe the temperament of this dog is why it was chained up in bulgaria in the first place. notinwestcliffanymore

10:01am Thu 2 May 13

Sean4u says...

Trophy carnivores should be kept on secure premises and transported in secure containers. If people want to own such animals but do not have the space it needs to get sufficient exercise, they should transport it to private property where it can be exercised.

Why should anyone else pay ('set aside' public property, blood, special washes to get the sh1t out, GP visits for sick children) for your vanity?
Trophy carnivores should be kept on secure premises and transported in secure containers. If people want to own such animals but do not have the space it needs to get sufficient exercise, they should transport it to private property where it can be exercised. Why should anyone else pay ('set aside' public property, blood, special washes to get the sh1t out, GP visits for sick children) for your vanity? Sean4u

10:23am Thu 2 May 13

Matthews11 says...

notinwestcliffanymor
e
wrote:
Beth the original one wrote: excuse me if i am wrong, but wasnt the dog that attacked the bichon frise a dog that had escaped from its garden so there for this frantic calling for all dogs to be on a lead rather futile, especially as the dog in question wouldnt have been on a lead in its garden, unless of course the panic brigade now suggests that dogs are on leads permanently
Maybe the temperament of this dog is why it was chained up in bulgaria in the first place.
I'm not trying to defend the dog in this case, as having read the previous stories it would appear that it had previous. But what about other dog owners that will suffer along with their dogs if we were to punish every owner rather than the just owners who are irresponsible and ruin the reputation of all dog owners.
[quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beth the original one[/bold] wrote: excuse me if i am wrong, but wasnt the dog that attacked the bichon frise a dog that had escaped from its garden so there for this frantic calling for all dogs to be on a lead rather futile, especially as the dog in question wouldnt have been on a lead in its garden, unless of course the panic brigade now suggests that dogs are on leads permanently[/p][/quote]Maybe the temperament of this dog is why it was chained up in bulgaria in the first place.[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to defend the dog in this case, as having read the previous stories it would appear that it had previous. But what about other dog owners that will suffer along with their dogs if we were to punish every owner rather than the just owners who are irresponsible and ruin the reputation of all dog owners. Matthews11

11:03am Thu 2 May 13

Tone-Fu says...

Sean4u wrote:
Trophy carnivores should be kept on secure premises and transported in secure containers. If people want to own such animals but do not have the space it needs to get sufficient exercise, they should transport it to private property where it can be exercised.

Why should anyone else pay ('set aside' public property, blood, special washes to get the sh1t out, GP visits for sick children) for your vanity?
Dogs are opportunistic omnivores, not obligate carnivores. At least try and get your facts straight before you embark on a rant.
[quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Trophy carnivores should be kept on secure premises and transported in secure containers. If people want to own such animals but do not have the space it needs to get sufficient exercise, they should transport it to private property where it can be exercised. Why should anyone else pay ('set aside' public property, blood, special washes to get the sh1t out, GP visits for sick children) for your vanity?[/p][/quote]Dogs are opportunistic omnivores, not obligate carnivores. At least try and get your facts straight before you embark on a rant. Tone-Fu

11:51am Thu 2 May 13

notinwestcliffanymore says...

Matthews11 wrote:
notinwestcliffanymor e wrote:
Beth the original one wrote: excuse me if i am wrong, but wasnt the dog that attacked the bichon frise a dog that had escaped from its garden so there for this frantic calling for all dogs to be on a lead rather futile, especially as the dog in question wouldnt have been on a lead in its garden, unless of course the panic brigade now suggests that dogs are on leads permanently
Maybe the temperament of this dog is why it was chained up in bulgaria in the first place.
I'm not trying to defend the dog in this case, as having read the previous stories it would appear that it had previous. But what about other dog owners that will suffer along with their dogs if we were to punish every owner rather than the just owners who are irresponsible and ruin the reputation of all dog owners.
you not punishing all dog owners, in fact you are protecting a great many of them and their dogs from attack and accusations
[quote][p][bold]Matthews11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beth the original one[/bold] wrote: excuse me if i am wrong, but wasnt the dog that attacked the bichon frise a dog that had escaped from its garden so there for this frantic calling for all dogs to be on a lead rather futile, especially as the dog in question wouldnt have been on a lead in its garden, unless of course the panic brigade now suggests that dogs are on leads permanently[/p][/quote]Maybe the temperament of this dog is why it was chained up in bulgaria in the first place.[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to defend the dog in this case, as having read the previous stories it would appear that it had previous. But what about other dog owners that will suffer along with their dogs if we were to punish every owner rather than the just owners who are irresponsible and ruin the reputation of all dog owners.[/p][/quote]you not punishing all dog owners, in fact you are protecting a great many of them and their dogs from attack and accusations notinwestcliffanymore

11:58am Thu 2 May 13

Pinker2012 says...

notinwestcliffanymor
e
wrote:
Beth the original one wrote:
excuse me if i am wrong, but wasnt the dog that attacked the bichon frise a dog that had escaped from its garden so there for this frantic calling for all dogs to be on a lead rather futile, especially as the dog in question wouldnt have been on a lead in its garden, unless of course the panic brigade now suggests that dogs are on leads permanently
Maybe the temperament of this dog is why it was chained up in bulgaria in the first place.
I dont want to argue with anyone, but just want to say that the dog in question was not chained up in Bulgaria because of its temperament. It was chained up with barbed wire and left to starve to death by gypsies who see it as a fun pastime in parts of Eastern Europe. It lived in the UK for 5 years with children and another dog with no problems whatsoever.
[quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beth the original one[/bold] wrote: excuse me if i am wrong, but wasnt the dog that attacked the bichon frise a dog that had escaped from its garden so there for this frantic calling for all dogs to be on a lead rather futile, especially as the dog in question wouldnt have been on a lead in its garden, unless of course the panic brigade now suggests that dogs are on leads permanently[/p][/quote]Maybe the temperament of this dog is why it was chained up in bulgaria in the first place.[/p][/quote]I dont want to argue with anyone, but just want to say that the dog in question was not chained up in Bulgaria because of its temperament. It was chained up with barbed wire and left to starve to death by gypsies who see it as a fun pastime in parts of Eastern Europe. It lived in the UK for 5 years with children and another dog with no problems whatsoever. Pinker2012

12:07pm Thu 2 May 13

Beth the original one says...

a vast majority of dog owners are responsible and have well mannered behaved dogs, however we have the small minority, as in all walks of life, who dont seem to know how to treat and train their dogs, hence all this baying for leads, muzzles etc. I had a dog that had a dodgy temperament with other dogs so was muzzled whenever out in public, but that left her open to attack and totally defenseless. I agree that on roads and pavements all dogs should be on a lead, but in a park or open space, you cannot feasibly ask for all dogs to be on a lead. All this baying for all dogs to be on a lead is unfair on the majority. unfortunately i dont have a solution as all responsible dog owners already obey all the reasonable rules, such as leads, chips & training. And all the baying only affects them anyway as the irresponsible will carry on doing what they want regardless of what law/rule that gets imposed
a vast majority of dog owners are responsible and have well mannered behaved dogs, however we have the small minority, as in all walks of life, who dont seem to know how to treat and train their dogs, hence all this baying for leads, muzzles etc. I had a dog that had a dodgy temperament with other dogs so was muzzled whenever out in public, but that left her open to attack and totally defenseless. I agree that on roads and pavements all dogs should be on a lead, but in a park or open space, you cannot feasibly ask for all dogs to be on a lead. All this baying for all dogs to be on a lead is unfair on the majority. unfortunately i dont have a solution as all responsible dog owners already obey all the reasonable rules, such as leads, chips & training. And all the baying only affects them anyway as the irresponsible will carry on doing what they want regardless of what law/rule that gets imposed Beth the original one

1:44pm Thu 2 May 13

Soouthchurch59 says...

Muzzle and tether the feckless owners.
Muzzle and tether the feckless owners. Soouthchurch59

1:44pm Thu 2 May 13

whataday says...

Matthews11 wrote:
Not that this would have been a help in this case. If you read the previous stories you will notice that the dog that attacked actually escaped through a broken fence, so was therefore alone and not with beong walked by it's owner.
But it is the owners responsibility to make sure their fence is in satisfactory state of repair to keep animals in their own gardens surely.
[quote][p][bold]Matthews11[/bold] wrote: Not that this would have been a help in this case. If you read the previous stories you will notice that the dog that attacked actually escaped through a broken fence, so was therefore alone and not with beong walked by it's owner.[/p][/quote]But it is the owners responsibility to make sure their fence is in satisfactory state of repair to keep animals in their own gardens surely. whataday

1:54pm Thu 2 May 13

Sean4u says...

Tone-Fu wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Trophy carnivores should be kept on secure premises and transported in secure containers. If people want to own such animals but do not have the space it needs to get sufficient exercise, they should transport it to private property where it can be exercised.

Why should anyone else pay ('set aside' public property, blood, special washes to get the sh1t out, GP visits for sick children) for your vanity?
Dogs are opportunistic omnivores, not obligate carnivores. At least try and get your facts straight before you embark on a rant.
Dog: Class Mammalia Order Carnivora. No molars = no adaptation for eating anything but meat. You can feed a dog on a non-carnivore diet, but it won't thrive like a dog on a carnivore diet will. I think you might be employing wishful thinking. Either that or the big shaggy-coated dog with the toenail problem of yours is really a bear.
[quote][p][bold]Tone-Fu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Trophy carnivores should be kept on secure premises and transported in secure containers. If people want to own such animals but do not have the space it needs to get sufficient exercise, they should transport it to private property where it can be exercised. Why should anyone else pay ('set aside' public property, blood, special washes to get the sh1t out, GP visits for sick children) for your vanity?[/p][/quote]Dogs are opportunistic omnivores, not obligate carnivores. At least try and get your facts straight before you embark on a rant.[/p][/quote]Dog: Class Mammalia Order Carnivora. No molars = no adaptation for eating anything but meat. You can feed a dog on a non-carnivore diet, but it won't thrive like a dog on a carnivore diet will. I think you might be employing wishful thinking. Either that or the big shaggy-coated dog with the toenail problem of yours is really a bear. Sean4u

2:15pm Thu 2 May 13

Danman565 says...

I am a Rottweiler owner and fully disagree with this proposal, If I wasnt aloud to let my 2 year old dog off his lead to run and burn energy then he would build up frustration and become distressed, then who would be blamed for him taking his frustration out on something/someone?..
. I walk him off the lead most of the time except when near a busy road (for my own peace of mind), I rose to my responsibility and have meticulously trained him from 6 weeks old so he knows exactly what is right and wrong (probably better than most humans... Genuinely).
Oh, we are also expecting our first son and I have no doubt that he will be safe around my rotty...
NO DOG IS BORN INSTINCTIVELY KNOWING CORRECT BEHAVIOUR, BUT THEY ARE ALL BORN CRAVING THE MENTAL STIMULATION OF BEING TAUGHT HOW TO PLEASE THEIR MASTERS.
I am a Rottweiler owner and fully disagree with this proposal, If I wasnt aloud to let my 2 year old dog off his lead to run and burn energy then he would build up frustration and become distressed, then who would be blamed for him taking his frustration out on something/someone?.. . I walk him off the lead most of the time except when near a busy road (for my own peace of mind), I rose to my responsibility and have meticulously trained him from 6 weeks old so he knows exactly what is right and wrong (probably better than most humans... Genuinely). Oh, we are also expecting our first son and I have no doubt that he will be safe around my rotty... NO DOG IS BORN INSTINCTIVELY KNOWING CORRECT BEHAVIOUR, BUT THEY ARE ALL BORN CRAVING THE MENTAL STIMULATION OF BEING TAUGHT HOW TO PLEASE THEIR MASTERS. Danman565

3:04pm Thu 2 May 13

Matthews11 says...

whataday wrote:
Matthews11 wrote: Not that this would have been a help in this case. If you read the previous stories you will notice that the dog that attacked actually escaped through a broken fence, so was therefore alone and not with beong walked by it's owner.
But it is the owners responsibility to make sure their fence is in satisfactory state of repair to keep animals in their own gardens surely.
I was not disputing that, merely stating that the fact that dogs should be kept on a lead has no relevance to this case as the dog was not in public with an owner, it escaped
[quote][p][bold]whataday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Matthews11[/bold] wrote: Not that this would have been a help in this case. If you read the previous stories you will notice that the dog that attacked actually escaped through a broken fence, so was therefore alone and not with beong walked by it's owner.[/p][/quote]But it is the owners responsibility to make sure their fence is in satisfactory state of repair to keep animals in their own gardens surely.[/p][/quote]I was not disputing that, merely stating that the fact that dogs should be kept on a lead has no relevance to this case as the dog was not in public with an owner, it escaped Matthews11

3:08pm Thu 2 May 13

Matthews11 says...

notinwestcliffanymor
e
wrote:
Matthews11 wrote:
notinwestcliffanymor e wrote:
Beth the original one wrote: excuse me if i am wrong, but wasnt the dog that attacked the bichon frise a dog that had escaped from its garden so there for this frantic calling for all dogs to be on a lead rather futile, especially as the dog in question wouldnt have been on a lead in its garden, unless of course the panic brigade now suggests that dogs are on leads permanently
Maybe the temperament of this dog is why it was chained up in bulgaria in the first place.
I'm not trying to defend the dog in this case, as having read the previous stories it would appear that it had previous. But what about other dog owners that will suffer along with their dogs if we were to punish every owner rather than the just owners who are irresponsible and ruin the reputation of all dog owners.
you not punishing all dog owners, in fact you are protecting a great many of them and their dogs from attack and accusations
So i should have to keep my dog on a lead just because others cannot control their dogs? I have trained him since he was 9 weeks old, he is now 7, i should not have to keep him on a lead just because other people choose to let their dogs run riot.
[quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Matthews11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beth the original one[/bold] wrote: excuse me if i am wrong, but wasnt the dog that attacked the bichon frise a dog that had escaped from its garden so there for this frantic calling for all dogs to be on a lead rather futile, especially as the dog in question wouldnt have been on a lead in its garden, unless of course the panic brigade now suggests that dogs are on leads permanently[/p][/quote]Maybe the temperament of this dog is why it was chained up in bulgaria in the first place.[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to defend the dog in this case, as having read the previous stories it would appear that it had previous. But what about other dog owners that will suffer along with their dogs if we were to punish every owner rather than the just owners who are irresponsible and ruin the reputation of all dog owners.[/p][/quote]you not punishing all dog owners, in fact you are protecting a great many of them and their dogs from attack and accusations[/p][/quote]So i should have to keep my dog on a lead just because others cannot control their dogs? I have trained him since he was 9 weeks old, he is now 7, i should not have to keep him on a lead just because other people choose to let their dogs run riot. Matthews11

5:11pm Thu 2 May 13

sueysue says...

pembury53 wrote:
Evilgenius75 wrote:
While I totally sympathise with the owners of both the dogs involved in this terrible incident. I think a little more thought has to be put into a practical solution that will be beneficial to dogs, their owners and the general public. I personally believe that tighter controls should be put on people keeping dogs Which in my opinion should involve registration, a test and home inspection for prospective dog owners, compulsory microchipping and neutering except for licensed breeders. In addition to this the council should set aside areas designated for dogs to run freely without children playing and a code of conduct for owners and their dogs. This could also be a good business opportunity for someone if they wanted to do it on private land (this too would have to be licensed and legislated obviously).
Yep, absolutely correct. It's utterly ridiculous that you don't need to register something that can kill a child.....
i also agree with this
and i believe there should be an age limit on walking dogs say 20+

compulsory dog training of at least a year if u want a dog licence
microchips and neutering if u are not a registered breeder
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Evilgenius75[/bold] wrote: While I totally sympathise with the owners of both the dogs involved in this terrible incident. I think a little more thought has to be put into a practical solution that will be beneficial to dogs, their owners and the general public. I personally believe that tighter controls should be put on people keeping dogs Which in my opinion should involve registration, a test and home inspection for prospective dog owners, compulsory microchipping and neutering except for licensed breeders. In addition to this the council should set aside areas designated for dogs to run freely without children playing and a code of conduct for owners and their dogs. This could also be a good business opportunity for someone if they wanted to do it on private land (this too would have to be licensed and legislated obviously).[/p][/quote]Yep, absolutely correct. It's utterly ridiculous that you don't need to register something that can kill a child.....[/p][/quote]i also agree with this and i believe there should be an age limit on walking dogs say 20+ compulsory dog training of at least a year if u want a dog licence microchips and neutering if u are not a registered breeder sueysue

5:14pm Thu 2 May 13

Kursaal76 says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Dogs need to run free to get proper exercise, so I would suggest leads in any public place that isn't a park or a beach etc. and muzzles in parks etc. so dogs can run.
or if you want a dog buy a house with a big garden! no need for muzzles
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: Dogs need to run free to get proper exercise, so I would suggest leads in any public place that isn't a park or a beach etc. and muzzles in parks etc. so dogs can run.[/p][/quote]or if you want a dog buy a house with a big garden! no need for muzzles Kursaal76

5:16pm Thu 2 May 13

Kursaal76 says...

This will not work. where i work dogs have to be kept on leads but no one listens when we have a go they just walk. most of the time is because they can not be bothered to pick the dogs mess up.
This will not work. where i work dogs have to be kept on leads but no one listens when we have a go they just walk. most of the time is because they can not be bothered to pick the dogs mess up. Kursaal76

5:25pm Thu 2 May 13

Kursaal76 says...

Matthews11 wrote:
notinwestcliffanymor

e
wrote:
Matthews11 wrote:
notinwestcliffanymor e wrote:
Beth the original one wrote: excuse me if i am wrong, but wasnt the dog that attacked the bichon frise a dog that had escaped from its garden so there for this frantic calling for all dogs to be on a lead rather futile, especially as the dog in question wouldnt have been on a lead in its garden, unless of course the panic brigade now suggests that dogs are on leads permanently
Maybe the temperament of this dog is why it was chained up in bulgaria in the first place.
I'm not trying to defend the dog in this case, as having read the previous stories it would appear that it had previous. But what about other dog owners that will suffer along with their dogs if we were to punish every owner rather than the just owners who are irresponsible and ruin the reputation of all dog owners.
you not punishing all dog owners, in fact you are protecting a great many of them and their dogs from attack and accusations
So i should have to keep my dog on a lead just because others cannot control their dogs? I have trained him since he was 9 weeks old, he is now 7, i should not have to keep him on a lead just because other people choose to let their dogs run riot.
you could always by a retractable lead like i have for my dog. its the bad owners that ruin it for you. i have a staffie and is never of the lead, trouble starts when bad owners want to let there dogs run over to mine.
[quote][p][bold]Matthews11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Matthews11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beth the original one[/bold] wrote: excuse me if i am wrong, but wasnt the dog that attacked the bichon frise a dog that had escaped from its garden so there for this frantic calling for all dogs to be on a lead rather futile, especially as the dog in question wouldnt have been on a lead in its garden, unless of course the panic brigade now suggests that dogs are on leads permanently[/p][/quote]Maybe the temperament of this dog is why it was chained up in bulgaria in the first place.[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to defend the dog in this case, as having read the previous stories it would appear that it had previous. But what about other dog owners that will suffer along with their dogs if we were to punish every owner rather than the just owners who are irresponsible and ruin the reputation of all dog owners.[/p][/quote]you not punishing all dog owners, in fact you are protecting a great many of them and their dogs from attack and accusations[/p][/quote]So i should have to keep my dog on a lead just because others cannot control their dogs? I have trained him since he was 9 weeks old, he is now 7, i should not have to keep him on a lead just because other people choose to let their dogs run riot.[/p][/quote]you could always by a retractable lead like i have for my dog. its the bad owners that ruin it for you. i have a staffie and is never of the lead, trouble starts when bad owners want to let there dogs run over to mine. Kursaal76

8:00pm Thu 2 May 13

John T Pharro says...

If this arguement were applied like insurance and all dogs had to have compulsary liability insurance as in cars and drivers you would soon see by the premiums which dogs and owners had the highest premiums applied to them. Bet Labradors woukd attract a much lower premium than a staffie.
If this arguement were applied like insurance and all dogs had to have compulsary liability insurance as in cars and drivers you would soon see by the premiums which dogs and owners had the highest premiums applied to them. Bet Labradors woukd attract a much lower premium than a staffie. John T Pharro

8:54pm Thu 2 May 13

little n says...

Matthews11 wrote:
notinwestcliffanymor

e
wrote:
Matthews11 wrote:
notinwestcliffanymor e wrote:
Beth the original one wrote: excuse me if i am wrong, but wasnt the dog that attacked the bichon frise a dog that had escaped from its garden so there for this frantic calling for all dogs to be on a lead rather futile, especially as the dog in question wouldnt have been on a lead in its garden, unless of course the panic brigade now suggests that dogs are on leads permanently
Maybe the temperament of this dog is why it was chained up in bulgaria in the first place.
I'm not trying to defend the dog in this case, as having read the previous stories it would appear that it had previous. But what about other dog owners that will suffer along with their dogs if we were to punish every owner rather than the just owners who are irresponsible and ruin the reputation of all dog owners.
you not punishing all dog owners, in fact you are protecting a great many of them and their dogs from attack and accusations
So i should have to keep my dog on a lead just because others cannot control their dogs? I have trained him since he was 9 weeks old, he is now 7, i should not have to keep him on a lead just because other people choose to let their dogs run riot.
all dogs should be on leads,thank god the rottweiler that jumped at my daughter was on a lead ,the owner was very sorry and said that his dog had never done anything like that before ,so there is always a first ,if his dog had been running around without a lead on ,well i dont even want to think what would have happend.
[quote][p][bold]Matthews11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Matthews11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beth the original one[/bold] wrote: excuse me if i am wrong, but wasnt the dog that attacked the bichon frise a dog that had escaped from its garden so there for this frantic calling for all dogs to be on a lead rather futile, especially as the dog in question wouldnt have been on a lead in its garden, unless of course the panic brigade now suggests that dogs are on leads permanently[/p][/quote]Maybe the temperament of this dog is why it was chained up in bulgaria in the first place.[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to defend the dog in this case, as having read the previous stories it would appear that it had previous. But what about other dog owners that will suffer along with their dogs if we were to punish every owner rather than the just owners who are irresponsible and ruin the reputation of all dog owners.[/p][/quote]you not punishing all dog owners, in fact you are protecting a great many of them and their dogs from attack and accusations[/p][/quote]So i should have to keep my dog on a lead just because others cannot control their dogs? I have trained him since he was 9 weeks old, he is now 7, i should not have to keep him on a lead just because other people choose to let their dogs run riot.[/p][/quote]all dogs should be on leads,thank god the rottweiler that jumped at my daughter was on a lead ,the owner was very sorry and said that his dog had never done anything like that before ,so there is always a first ,if his dog had been running around without a lead on ,well i dont even want to think what would have happend. little n

11:18pm Thu 2 May 13

Kursaal76 says...

John T Pharro wrote:
If this arguement were applied like insurance and all dogs had to have compulsary liability insurance as in cars and drivers you would soon see by the premiums which dogs and owners had the highest premiums applied to them. Bet Labradors woukd attract a much lower premium than a staffie.
why should having a staffie be more? i own a well behaved staffie never of lead and is trained. it should be down to the owner not the dog.
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: If this arguement were applied like insurance and all dogs had to have compulsary liability insurance as in cars and drivers you would soon see by the premiums which dogs and owners had the highest premiums applied to them. Bet Labradors woukd attract a much lower premium than a staffie.[/p][/quote]why should having a staffie be more? i own a well behaved staffie never of lead and is trained. it should be down to the owner not the dog. Kursaal76

1:55am Fri 3 May 13

blackheart says...

sueysue wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
Evilgenius75 wrote:
While I totally sympathise with the owners of both the dogs involved in this terrible incident. I think a little more thought has to be put into a practical solution that will be beneficial to dogs, their owners and the general public. I personally believe that tighter controls should be put on people keeping dogs Which in my opinion should involve registration, a test and home inspection for prospective dog owners, compulsory microchipping and neutering except for licensed breeders. In addition to this the council should set aside areas designated for dogs to run freely without children playing and a code of conduct for owners and their dogs. This could also be a good business opportunity for someone if they wanted to do it on private land (this too would have to be licensed and legislated obviously).
Yep, absolutely correct. It's utterly ridiculous that you don't need to register something that can kill a child.....
i also agree with this
and i believe there should be an age limit on walking dogs say 20+

compulsory dog training of at least a year if u want a dog licence
microchips and neutering if u are not a registered breeder
Thats ridiculous, most dogs of 20+ can't even get out of their baskets.
[quote][p][bold]sueysue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Evilgenius75[/bold] wrote: While I totally sympathise with the owners of both the dogs involved in this terrible incident. I think a little more thought has to be put into a practical solution that will be beneficial to dogs, their owners and the general public. I personally believe that tighter controls should be put on people keeping dogs Which in my opinion should involve registration, a test and home inspection for prospective dog owners, compulsory microchipping and neutering except for licensed breeders. In addition to this the council should set aside areas designated for dogs to run freely without children playing and a code of conduct for owners and their dogs. This could also be a good business opportunity for someone if they wanted to do it on private land (this too would have to be licensed and legislated obviously).[/p][/quote]Yep, absolutely correct. It's utterly ridiculous that you don't need to register something that can kill a child.....[/p][/quote]i also agree with this and i believe there should be an age limit on walking dogs say 20+ compulsory dog training of at least a year if u want a dog licence microchips and neutering if u are not a registered breeder[/p][/quote]Thats ridiculous, most dogs of 20+ can't even get out of their baskets. blackheart

9:10am Fri 3 May 13

DogsMessInLeigh says...

All dogs on Leads...yes please., and that includes the open public spaces like Belfairs and Two tree.
All dogs on Leads...yes please., and that includes the open public spaces like Belfairs and Two tree. DogsMessInLeigh

9:11am Fri 3 May 13

Matthews11 says...

Kursaal76 wrote:
Matthews11 wrote:
notinwestcliffanymor e wrote:
Matthews11 wrote:
notinwestcliffanymor e wrote:
Beth the original one wrote: excuse me if i am wrong, but wasnt the dog that attacked the bichon frise a dog that had escaped from its garden so there for this frantic calling for all dogs to be on a lead rather futile, especially as the dog in question wouldnt have been on a lead in its garden, unless of course the panic brigade now suggests that dogs are on leads permanently
Maybe the temperament of this dog is why it was chained up in bulgaria in the first place.
I'm not trying to defend the dog in this case, as having read the previous stories it would appear that it had previous. But what about other dog owners that will suffer along with their dogs if we were to punish every owner rather than the just owners who are irresponsible and ruin the reputation of all dog owners.
you not punishing all dog owners, in fact you are protecting a great many of them and their dogs from attack and accusations
So i should have to keep my dog on a lead just because others cannot control their dogs? I have trained him since he was 9 weeks old, he is now 7, i should not have to keep him on a lead just because other people choose to let their dogs run riot.
you could always by a retractable lead like i have for my dog. its the bad owners that ruin it for you. i have a staffie and is never of the lead, trouble starts when bad owners want to let there dogs run over to mine.
I feel that that is still unfair to him, he is well behaved and comes back when called, he never goes too far and i refuse to have to put him on a lead when he clearly has proved to me that he can be trusted off a lead.
[quote][p][bold]Kursaal76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Matthews11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Matthews11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beth the original one[/bold] wrote: excuse me if i am wrong, but wasnt the dog that attacked the bichon frise a dog that had escaped from its garden so there for this frantic calling for all dogs to be on a lead rather futile, especially as the dog in question wouldnt have been on a lead in its garden, unless of course the panic brigade now suggests that dogs are on leads permanently[/p][/quote]Maybe the temperament of this dog is why it was chained up in bulgaria in the first place.[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to defend the dog in this case, as having read the previous stories it would appear that it had previous. But what about other dog owners that will suffer along with their dogs if we were to punish every owner rather than the just owners who are irresponsible and ruin the reputation of all dog owners.[/p][/quote]you not punishing all dog owners, in fact you are protecting a great many of them and their dogs from attack and accusations[/p][/quote]So i should have to keep my dog on a lead just because others cannot control their dogs? I have trained him since he was 9 weeks old, he is now 7, i should not have to keep him on a lead just because other people choose to let their dogs run riot.[/p][/quote]you could always by a retractable lead like i have for my dog. its the bad owners that ruin it for you. i have a staffie and is never of the lead, trouble starts when bad owners want to let there dogs run over to mine.[/p][/quote]I feel that that is still unfair to him, he is well behaved and comes back when called, he never goes too far and i refuse to have to put him on a lead when he clearly has proved to me that he can be trusted off a lead. Matthews11

9:14am Fri 3 May 13

Matthews11 says...

little n wrote:
Matthews11 wrote:
notinwestcliffanymor e wrote:
Matthews11 wrote:
notinwestcliffanymor e wrote:
Beth the original one wrote: excuse me if i am wrong, but wasnt the dog that attacked the bichon frise a dog that had escaped from its garden so there for this frantic calling for all dogs to be on a lead rather futile, especially as the dog in question wouldnt have been on a lead in its garden, unless of course the panic brigade now suggests that dogs are on leads permanently
Maybe the temperament of this dog is why it was chained up in bulgaria in the first place.
I'm not trying to defend the dog in this case, as having read the previous stories it would appear that it had previous. But what about other dog owners that will suffer along with their dogs if we were to punish every owner rather than the just owners who are irresponsible and ruin the reputation of all dog owners.
you not punishing all dog owners, in fact you are protecting a great many of them and their dogs from attack and accusations
So i should have to keep my dog on a lead just because others cannot control their dogs? I have trained him since he was 9 weeks old, he is now 7, i should not have to keep him on a lead just because other people choose to let their dogs run riot.
all dogs should be on leads,thank god the rottweiler that jumped at my daughter was on a lead ,the owner was very sorry and said that his dog had never done anything like that before ,so there is always a first ,if his dog had been running around without a lead on ,well i dont even want to think what would have happend.
That is a fair point and i see what you are saying, I do keep my dog on a lead on paths etc. but feel that when we are in the park that's his time to have a run around and sniff things out, have fun. I just feel like if I had to keep him on a lead all the time that would be unfair to him. He has never given me any reason to not trust him.
[quote][p][bold]little n[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Matthews11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Matthews11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beth the original one[/bold] wrote: excuse me if i am wrong, but wasnt the dog that attacked the bichon frise a dog that had escaped from its garden so there for this frantic calling for all dogs to be on a lead rather futile, especially as the dog in question wouldnt have been on a lead in its garden, unless of course the panic brigade now suggests that dogs are on leads permanently[/p][/quote]Maybe the temperament of this dog is why it was chained up in bulgaria in the first place.[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to defend the dog in this case, as having read the previous stories it would appear that it had previous. But what about other dog owners that will suffer along with their dogs if we were to punish every owner rather than the just owners who are irresponsible and ruin the reputation of all dog owners.[/p][/quote]you not punishing all dog owners, in fact you are protecting a great many of them and their dogs from attack and accusations[/p][/quote]So i should have to keep my dog on a lead just because others cannot control their dogs? I have trained him since he was 9 weeks old, he is now 7, i should not have to keep him on a lead just because other people choose to let their dogs run riot.[/p][/quote]all dogs should be on leads,thank god the rottweiler that jumped at my daughter was on a lead ,the owner was very sorry and said that his dog had never done anything like that before ,so there is always a first ,if his dog had been running around without a lead on ,well i dont even want to think what would have happend.[/p][/quote]That is a fair point and i see what you are saying, I do keep my dog on a lead on paths etc. but feel that when we are in the park that's his time to have a run around and sniff things out, have fun. I just feel like if I had to keep him on a lead all the time that would be unfair to him. He has never given me any reason to not trust him. Matthews11

6:46pm Fri 3 May 13

Kursaal76 says...

Matthews11 wrote:
Kursaal76 wrote:
Matthews11 wrote:
notinwestcliffanymor e wrote:
Matthews11 wrote:
notinwestcliffanymor e wrote:
Beth the original one wrote: excuse me if i am wrong, but wasnt the dog that attacked the bichon frise a dog that had escaped from its garden so there for this frantic calling for all dogs to be on a lead rather futile, especially as the dog in question wouldnt have been on a lead in its garden, unless of course the panic brigade now suggests that dogs are on leads permanently
Maybe the temperament of this dog is why it was chained up in bulgaria in the first place.
I'm not trying to defend the dog in this case, as having read the previous stories it would appear that it had previous. But what about other dog owners that will suffer along with their dogs if we were to punish every owner rather than the just owners who are irresponsible and ruin the reputation of all dog owners.
you not punishing all dog owners, in fact you are protecting a great many of them and their dogs from attack and accusations
So i should have to keep my dog on a lead just because others cannot control their dogs? I have trained him since he was 9 weeks old, he is now 7, i should not have to keep him on a lead just because other people choose to let their dogs run riot.
you could always by a retractable lead like i have for my dog. its the bad owners that ruin it for you. i have a staffie and is never of the lead, trouble starts when bad owners want to let there dogs run over to mine.
I feel that that is still unfair to him, he is well behaved and comes back when called, he never goes too far and i refuse to have to put him on a lead when he clearly has proved to me that he can be trusted off a lead.
then blame the idiots who can't control there dogs. my dog has a lead but you still get idiots who like to let there dogs run over to mine. then moan because i have a go.
[quote][p][bold]Matthews11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kursaal76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Matthews11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Matthews11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beth the original one[/bold] wrote: excuse me if i am wrong, but wasnt the dog that attacked the bichon frise a dog that had escaped from its garden so there for this frantic calling for all dogs to be on a lead rather futile, especially as the dog in question wouldnt have been on a lead in its garden, unless of course the panic brigade now suggests that dogs are on leads permanently[/p][/quote]Maybe the temperament of this dog is why it was chained up in bulgaria in the first place.[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to defend the dog in this case, as having read the previous stories it would appear that it had previous. But what about other dog owners that will suffer along with their dogs if we were to punish every owner rather than the just owners who are irresponsible and ruin the reputation of all dog owners.[/p][/quote]you not punishing all dog owners, in fact you are protecting a great many of them and their dogs from attack and accusations[/p][/quote]So i should have to keep my dog on a lead just because others cannot control their dogs? I have trained him since he was 9 weeks old, he is now 7, i should not have to keep him on a lead just because other people choose to let their dogs run riot.[/p][/quote]you could always by a retractable lead like i have for my dog. its the bad owners that ruin it for you. i have a staffie and is never of the lead, trouble starts when bad owners want to let there dogs run over to mine.[/p][/quote]I feel that that is still unfair to him, he is well behaved and comes back when called, he never goes too far and i refuse to have to put him on a lead when he clearly has proved to me that he can be trusted off a lead.[/p][/quote]then blame the idiots who can't control there dogs. my dog has a lead but you still get idiots who like to let there dogs run over to mine. then moan because i have a go. Kursaal76

6:48pm Fri 3 May 13

Kursaal76 says...

Matthews11 wrote:
little n wrote:
Matthews11 wrote:
notinwestcliffanymor e wrote:
Matthews11 wrote:
notinwestcliffanymor e wrote:
Beth the original one wrote: excuse me if i am wrong, but wasnt the dog that attacked the bichon frise a dog that had escaped from its garden so there for this frantic calling for all dogs to be on a lead rather futile, especially as the dog in question wouldnt have been on a lead in its garden, unless of course the panic brigade now suggests that dogs are on leads permanently
Maybe the temperament of this dog is why it was chained up in bulgaria in the first place.
I'm not trying to defend the dog in this case, as having read the previous stories it would appear that it had previous. But what about other dog owners that will suffer along with their dogs if we were to punish every owner rather than the just owners who are irresponsible and ruin the reputation of all dog owners.
you not punishing all dog owners, in fact you are protecting a great many of them and their dogs from attack and accusations
So i should have to keep my dog on a lead just because others cannot control their dogs? I have trained him since he was 9 weeks old, he is now 7, i should not have to keep him on a lead just because other people choose to let their dogs run riot.
all dogs should be on leads,thank god the rottweiler that jumped at my daughter was on a lead ,the owner was very sorry and said that his dog had never done anything like that before ,so there is always a first ,if his dog had been running around without a lead on ,well i dont even want to think what would have happend.
That is a fair point and i see what you are saying, I do keep my dog on a lead on paths etc. but feel that when we are in the park that's his time to have a run around and sniff things out, have fun. I just feel like if I had to keep him on a lead all the time that would be unfair to him. He has never given me any reason to not trust him.
why would it be unfair? when you decided to buy a dog didn't you make sure your garden was big enough for your dog? Also if your dog is running of the lead how do you know when he has pooed on grass?
[quote][p][bold]Matthews11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]little n[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Matthews11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Matthews11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beth the original one[/bold] wrote: excuse me if i am wrong, but wasnt the dog that attacked the bichon frise a dog that had escaped from its garden so there for this frantic calling for all dogs to be on a lead rather futile, especially as the dog in question wouldnt have been on a lead in its garden, unless of course the panic brigade now suggests that dogs are on leads permanently[/p][/quote]Maybe the temperament of this dog is why it was chained up in bulgaria in the first place.[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to defend the dog in this case, as having read the previous stories it would appear that it had previous. But what about other dog owners that will suffer along with their dogs if we were to punish every owner rather than the just owners who are irresponsible and ruin the reputation of all dog owners.[/p][/quote]you not punishing all dog owners, in fact you are protecting a great many of them and their dogs from attack and accusations[/p][/quote]So i should have to keep my dog on a lead just because others cannot control their dogs? I have trained him since he was 9 weeks old, he is now 7, i should not have to keep him on a lead just because other people choose to let their dogs run riot.[/p][/quote]all dogs should be on leads,thank god the rottweiler that jumped at my daughter was on a lead ,the owner was very sorry and said that his dog had never done anything like that before ,so there is always a first ,if his dog had been running around without a lead on ,well i dont even want to think what would have happend.[/p][/quote]That is a fair point and i see what you are saying, I do keep my dog on a lead on paths etc. but feel that when we are in the park that's his time to have a run around and sniff things out, have fun. I just feel like if I had to keep him on a lead all the time that would be unfair to him. He has never given me any reason to not trust him.[/p][/quote]why would it be unfair? when you decided to buy a dog didn't you make sure your garden was big enough for your dog? Also if your dog is running of the lead how do you know when he has pooed on grass? Kursaal76

8:24pm Mon 6 May 13

Beth the original one says...

Kursaal76 wrote:
Matthews11 wrote:
little n wrote:
Matthews11 wrote:
notinwestcliffanymor e wrote:
Matthews11 wrote:
notinwestcliffanymor e wrote:
Beth the original one wrote: excuse me if i am wrong, but wasnt the dog that attacked the bichon frise a dog that had escaped from its garden so there for this frantic calling for all dogs to be on a lead rather futile, especially as the dog in question wouldnt have been on a lead in its garden, unless of course the panic brigade now suggests that dogs are on leads permanently
Maybe the temperament of this dog is why it was chained up in bulgaria in the first place.
I'm not trying to defend the dog in this case, as having read the previous stories it would appear that it had previous. But what about other dog owners that will suffer along with their dogs if we were to punish every owner rather than the just owners who are irresponsible and ruin the reputation of all dog owners.
you not punishing all dog owners, in fact you are protecting a great many of them and their dogs from attack and accusations
So i should have to keep my dog on a lead just because others cannot control their dogs? I have trained him since he was 9 weeks old, he is now 7, i should not have to keep him on a lead just because other people choose to let their dogs run riot.
all dogs should be on leads,thank god the rottweiler that jumped at my daughter was on a lead ,the owner was very sorry and said that his dog had never done anything like that before ,so there is always a first ,if his dog had been running around without a lead on ,well i dont even want to think what would have happend.
That is a fair point and i see what you are saying, I do keep my dog on a lead on paths etc. but feel that when we are in the park that's his time to have a run around and sniff things out, have fun. I just feel like if I had to keep him on a lead all the time that would be unfair to him. He has never given me any reason to not trust him.
why would it be unfair? when you decided to buy a dog didn't you make sure your garden was big enough for your dog? Also if your dog is running of the lead how do you know when he has pooed on grass?
why do some people assume parks are only there for people with children. Parks, to the best of my knowledge, are there for all to use, so why should some people dictate to others how a park should be used. People need to understand that. Also the argument one poster used about size of dog and garden, the same could be applied to children, didn't you check that the size of your garden would be appropriate for children to play in. I take my dog to the park, for her to run around, however I do ensure that she does not enter the area where childrens swings and slides are. Though looking at the state of it, I wouldn't want my dog anywhere near it anyway. Syringes, used condoms, used nappies etc, and these people complain about dogs.. makes you wonder sometimes
[quote][p][bold]Kursaal76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Matthews11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]little n[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Matthews11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Matthews11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beth the original one[/bold] wrote: excuse me if i am wrong, but wasnt the dog that attacked the bichon frise a dog that had escaped from its garden so there for this frantic calling for all dogs to be on a lead rather futile, especially as the dog in question wouldnt have been on a lead in its garden, unless of course the panic brigade now suggests that dogs are on leads permanently[/p][/quote]Maybe the temperament of this dog is why it was chained up in bulgaria in the first place.[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to defend the dog in this case, as having read the previous stories it would appear that it had previous. But what about other dog owners that will suffer along with their dogs if we were to punish every owner rather than the just owners who are irresponsible and ruin the reputation of all dog owners.[/p][/quote]you not punishing all dog owners, in fact you are protecting a great many of them and their dogs from attack and accusations[/p][/quote]So i should have to keep my dog on a lead just because others cannot control their dogs? I have trained him since he was 9 weeks old, he is now 7, i should not have to keep him on a lead just because other people choose to let their dogs run riot.[/p][/quote]all dogs should be on leads,thank god the rottweiler that jumped at my daughter was on a lead ,the owner was very sorry and said that his dog had never done anything like that before ,so there is always a first ,if his dog had been running around without a lead on ,well i dont even want to think what would have happend.[/p][/quote]That is a fair point and i see what you are saying, I do keep my dog on a lead on paths etc. but feel that when we are in the park that's his time to have a run around and sniff things out, have fun. I just feel like if I had to keep him on a lead all the time that would be unfair to him. He has never given me any reason to not trust him.[/p][/quote]why would it be unfair? when you decided to buy a dog didn't you make sure your garden was big enough for your dog? Also if your dog is running of the lead how do you know when he has pooed on grass?[/p][/quote]why do some people assume parks are only there for people with children. Parks, to the best of my knowledge, are there for all to use, so why should some people dictate to others how a park should be used. People need to understand that. Also the argument one poster used about size of dog and garden, the same could be applied to children, didn't you check that the size of your garden would be appropriate for children to play in. I take my dog to the park, for her to run around, however I do ensure that she does not enter the area where childrens swings and slides are. Though looking at the state of it, I wouldn't want my dog anywhere near it anyway. Syringes, used condoms, used nappies etc, and these people complain about dogs.. makes you wonder sometimes Beth the original one

9:35pm Tue 7 May 13

JTazdev says...

Kursaal76. You actually do keep a look out when your dog does a poo off the lead,we are all not bad owners that have our dogs off leads and let them poo all over the place and leave it. I think us good owners with trained dogs off leads are going to have to pay for the idiots who think they can let their unfriendly vicious dogs run free. I love to see my dog run about getting exercise and meeting other dogs,she is trained not to run up to strange dogs and waits for me to say its ok to go up to them after I have asked the owner if their dog is ok with other dogs. As its been said don't blame the dog its the owner who can't be bothered to train or socialise their dog properly.
Kursaal76. You actually do keep a look out when your dog does a poo off the lead,we are all not bad owners that have our dogs off leads and let them poo all over the place and leave it. I think us good owners with trained dogs off leads are going to have to pay for the idiots who think they can let their unfriendly vicious dogs run free. I love to see my dog run about getting exercise and meeting other dogs,she is trained not to run up to strange dogs and waits for me to say its ok to go up to them after I have asked the owner if their dog is ok with other dogs. As its been said don't blame the dog its the owner who can't be bothered to train or socialise their dog properly. JTazdev

3:50pm Wed 8 May 13

Tone-Fu says...

Sean4u wrote:
Tone-Fu wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Trophy carnivores should be kept on secure premises and transported in secure containers. If people want to own such animals but do not have the space it needs to get sufficient exercise, they should transport it to private property where it can be exercised.

Why should anyone else pay ('set aside' public property, blood, special washes to get the sh1t out, GP visits for sick children) for your vanity?
Dogs are opportunistic omnivores, not obligate carnivores. At least try and get your facts straight before you embark on a rant.
Dog: Class Mammalia Order Carnivora. No molars = no adaptation for eating anything but meat. You can feed a dog on a non-carnivore diet, but it won't thrive like a dog on a carnivore diet will. I think you might be employing wishful thinking. Either that or the big shaggy-coated dog with the toenail problem of yours is really a bear.
Yes, and your teeth would, if examined, tell a scientist without background knowledge that you were a herbivore...but you aren't.

Dogs can and do survive on plant and vegetable matter when meat isn't available. They may prefer meat, but they are not physically obliged to eat it to survive - therefore they aren't obligate carnivores.

You tried to use the term 'trophy carnivore' for dramatic effect, to make dogs sound dangerous and threatening, but your comments fail to hold water.

Sorry to break it to you.
[quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tone-Fu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Trophy carnivores should be kept on secure premises and transported in secure containers. If people want to own such animals but do not have the space it needs to get sufficient exercise, they should transport it to private property where it can be exercised. Why should anyone else pay ('set aside' public property, blood, special washes to get the sh1t out, GP visits for sick children) for your vanity?[/p][/quote]Dogs are opportunistic omnivores, not obligate carnivores. At least try and get your facts straight before you embark on a rant.[/p][/quote]Dog: Class Mammalia Order Carnivora. No molars = no adaptation for eating anything but meat. You can feed a dog on a non-carnivore diet, but it won't thrive like a dog on a carnivore diet will. I think you might be employing wishful thinking. Either that or the big shaggy-coated dog with the toenail problem of yours is really a bear.[/p][/quote]Yes, and your teeth would, if examined, tell a scientist without background knowledge that you were a herbivore...but you aren't. Dogs can and do survive on plant and vegetable matter when meat isn't available. They may prefer meat, but they are not physically obliged to eat it to survive - therefore they aren't obligate carnivores. You tried to use the term 'trophy carnivore' for dramatic effect, to make dogs sound dangerous and threatening, but your comments fail to hold water. Sorry to break it to you. Tone-Fu

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