Firefighters forced to abandon fire engines (From Southend Standard)
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Firefighters forced to abandon fire engines
1:30pm Monday 25th February 2013 in Echo News
Firefighters forced to abandon fire engines
WORRIED residents in a street plagued by parking chaos watched as firemen had to leave two engines at the top of the road and walk to a house where there was a suspected fire.
People in Holland Road, Westcliff say they are sick of parking problems in their road and were amazed when the engines were forced to park at the top of the street when it looked like they couldn’t get access.
Crews then had to trudge down the road on foot on Tuesday afternoon, but luckily the call had only been a false alarm.
Julian Lowes, chairman of Milton Community Group, said: “People are worried about emergency services reaching them. This call-out was probably very minor by the look of it but what happend if there was a raging fire? They will have to run hoses all the way down Holland Road or all the way down from the seafront. “
It’s not the best way to fight a fire, especially as there are so many elderly residents in the area.” P
arking pressures in the area have reached boiling point with many residents blaming Southend Council for letting homes be converted into flats.
The extra people they house have been clamouring to park in the street along with commuters who use Westcliff railway station.
Cheryl Hindle-Terry, Southend Council’s Team Leader of the Parking, Traffic Management and Road Safety Team, said: “Holland Road is not subject to parking restrictions and vehicles regularly park on both sides of the road. “
However we do work closely with the Fire Service and if they identify a parking concern, we will of course propose action to avoid any potential delays to emergency situations.”
She said they had surveyed residents in streets around Westcliff railway station in 2011 about parking controls .
Comments(34)
smiffy1980
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1:45pm Mon 25 Feb 13
I hate the police
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2:14pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Shoebury_Cyclist
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2:31pm Mon 25 Feb 13
I hate the police wrote:If the council builds them they won't be free because the cost of construction will come out of our council tax.
Parking is legal. If there are no restrictions then people can park where they like. Perhaps the council should stop wasting money on things like the city beach, water fountains and stupid flashing lights, and build proper FREE car parks in the area. How does that sound? Problem solved in my eyes.
A better solution is to insist all residential planning applications include adequate off-street parking in the design.
Carnabackable
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2:53pm Mon 25 Feb 13
John T Pharro
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4:11pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:What is needed is sensible parking strictly controlled. Just like we need cyclist with helmets, lights, riding sensible on the roads not the pavements and strictly controlled. As well as sensible drivers not speeding or using mobile phones when driving strictly controlled.
This is why we need strict parking control.
DogsMessInLeigh
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4:13pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Shoebury_Cyclist
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4:23pm Mon 25 Feb 13
John T Pharro wrote:Even though the story is about a road overly congested with parked CARS blocking access for the emergency services, you choose to use it to have a go at cyclists?
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:What is needed is sensible parking strictly controlled. Just like we need cyclist with helmets, lights, riding sensible on the roads not the pavements and strictly controlled. As well as sensible drivers not speeding or using mobile phones when driving strictly controlled.
This is why we need strict parking control.
Grow up.
Ps. Cycle helmets are not a legal requirement. And neither are cycle lights during daylight hours.
HadleighBoy
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4:24pm Mon 25 Feb 13
John T Pharro
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4:31pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:Me grow up you grow up I am criticising BAD cyclists. I also criticised bad car driving as well and bad parking. Stop nit picking sensible cyclist should wear helmets and of course lights are only needed at night on cycles. You are just paranoid about cyclist and think your opinion is the only one that counts. That is obvious from your posts on every subject.
John T Pharro wrote:Even though the story is about a road overly congested with parked CARS blocking access for the emergency services, you choose to use it to have a go at cyclists?
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:What is needed is sensible parking strictly controlled. Just like we need cyclist with helmets, lights, riding sensible on the roads not the pavements and strictly controlled. As well as sensible drivers not speeding or using mobile phones when driving strictly controlled.
This is why we need strict parking control.
Grow up.
Ps. Cycle helmets are not a legal requirement. And neither are cycle lights during daylight hours.
Were you not the one who said "when you insult you have lost the argument"? You done it before and just done it again.
whateverhappened
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4:51pm Mon 25 Feb 13
John T Pharro
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5:00pm Mon 25 Feb 13
whateverhappened wrote:Cannot disagree with that, but how do you solve the problem of the fire engines being unable to get through?
All cars down this road were parked legally, this as stated before is a problem of the councils making by allowing the over development of the large edwardian houses.
Shoebury_Cyclist
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5:16pm Mon 25 Feb 13
John T Pharro wrote:I have said nothing about cyclists, you chose to bring cyclists into the conversation in a childish attempt at point scoring.
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:Me grow up you grow up I am criticising BAD cyclists. I also criticised bad car driving as well and bad parking. Stop nit picking sensible cyclist should wear helmets and of course lights are only needed at night on cycles. You are just paranoid about cyclist and think your opinion is the only one that counts. That is obvious from your posts on every subject.
John T Pharro wrote:Even though the story is about a road overly congested with parked CARS blocking access for the emergency services, you choose to use it to have a go at cyclists?
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:What is needed is sensible parking strictly controlled. Just like we need cyclist with helmets, lights, riding sensible on the roads not the pavements and strictly controlled. As well as sensible drivers not speeding or using mobile phones when driving strictly controlled.
This is why we need strict parking control.
Grow up.
Ps. Cycle helmets are not a legal requirement. And neither are cycle lights during daylight hours.
Were you not the one who said "when you insult you have lost the argument"? You done it before and just done it again.
I suggest you read it again, it's a story exclusively about a street so clogged with parked CARS that the emergency services could not get to their call-out.
John T Pharro
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5:25pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:By your own comments. You insulted (as usual) so have lost the argument.
John T Pharro wrote:I have said nothing about cyclists, you chose to bring cyclists into the conversation in a childish attempt at point scoring.
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:Me grow up you grow up I am criticising BAD cyclists. I also criticised bad car driving as well and bad parking. Stop nit picking sensible cyclist should wear helmets and of course lights are only needed at night on cycles. You are just paranoid about cyclist and think your opinion is the only one that counts. That is obvious from your posts on every subject.
John T Pharro wrote:Even though the story is about a road overly congested with parked CARS blocking access for the emergency services, you choose to use it to have a go at cyclists?
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:What is needed is sensible parking strictly controlled. Just like we need cyclist with helmets, lights, riding sensible on the roads not the pavements and strictly controlled. As well as sensible drivers not speeding or using mobile phones when driving strictly controlled.
This is why we need strict parking control.
Grow up.
Ps. Cycle helmets are not a legal requirement. And neither are cycle lights during daylight hours.
Were you not the one who said "when you insult you have lost the argument"? You done it before and just done it again.
I suggest you read it again, it's a story exclusively about a street so clogged with parked CARS that the emergency services could not get to their call-out.
What was it you called someone on the spy cars article? "A moronic dribbler". Clearly list that argument as well.
Shoebury_Cyclist
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5:39pm Mon 25 Feb 13
John T Pharro wrote:No, I said someone was 'in danger of being a…'I didn't say they were a… There's a big difference. I have insulted no-one, not in that topic and not in this one.
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:By your own comments. You insulted (as usual) so have lost the argument.
John T Pharro wrote:I have said nothing about cyclists, you chose to bring cyclists into the conversation in a childish attempt at point scoring.
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:Me grow up you grow up I am criticising BAD cyclists. I also criticised bad car driving as well and bad parking. Stop nit picking sensible cyclist should wear helmets and of course lights are only needed at night on cycles. You are just paranoid about cyclist and think your opinion is the only one that counts. That is obvious from your posts on every subject.
John T Pharro wrote:Even though the story is about a road overly congested with parked CARS blocking access for the emergency services, you choose to use it to have a go at cyclists?
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:What is needed is sensible parking strictly controlled. Just like we need cyclist with helmets, lights, riding sensible on the roads not the pavements and strictly controlled. As well as sensible drivers not speeding or using mobile phones when driving strictly controlled.
This is why we need strict parking control.
Grow up.
Ps. Cycle helmets are not a legal requirement. And neither are cycle lights during daylight hours.
Were you not the one who said "when you insult you have lost the argument"? You done it before and just done it again.
I suggest you read it again, it's a story exclusively about a street so clogged with parked CARS that the emergency services could not get to their call-out.
What was it you called someone on the spy cars article? "A moronic dribbler". Clearly list that argument as well.
If you are objecting to my use of the word 'childish', that is not an insult, it is a description of your behaviour here, when you used a story about a street so congested with parked CARS to have a go at cyclists, based solely on who had contributed to the discussion.
Your behaviour was, and continues to be, childish. That is not an insult, it is an accurate description.
John T Pharro
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5:51pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:I think most people know what you are about so will form their own opinion.
John T Pharro wrote:No, I said someone was 'in danger of being a…'I didn't say they were a… There's a big difference. I have insulted no-one, not in that topic and not in this one.
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:By your own comments. You insulted (as usual) so have lost the argument.
John T Pharro wrote:I have said nothing about cyclists, you chose to bring cyclists into the conversation in a childish attempt at point scoring.
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:Me grow up you grow up I am criticising BAD cyclists. I also criticised bad car driving as well and bad parking. Stop nit picking sensible cyclist should wear helmets and of course lights are only needed at night on cycles. You are just paranoid about cyclist and think your opinion is the only one that counts. That is obvious from your posts on every subject.
John T Pharro wrote:Even though the story is about a road overly congested with parked CARS blocking access for the emergency services, you choose to use it to have a go at cyclists?
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:What is needed is sensible parking strictly controlled. Just like we need cyclist with helmets, lights, riding sensible on the roads not the pavements and strictly controlled. As well as sensible drivers not speeding or using mobile phones when driving strictly controlled.
This is why we need strict parking control.
Grow up.
Ps. Cycle helmets are not a legal requirement. And neither are cycle lights during daylight hours.
Were you not the one who said "when you insult you have lost the argument"? You done it before and just done it again.
I suggest you read it again, it's a story exclusively about a street so clogged with parked CARS that the emergency services could not get to their call-out.
What was it you called someone on the spy cars article? "A moronic dribbler". Clearly list that argument as well.
If you are objecting to my use of the word 'childish', that is not an insult, it is a description of your behaviour here, when you used a story about a street so congested with parked CARS to have a go at cyclists, based solely on who had contributed to the discussion.
Your behaviour was, and continues to be, childish. That is not an insult, it is an accurate description.
Shoebury_Cyclist
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6:04pm Mon 25 Feb 13
John T Pharro wrote:You're right. They'll read these comments, see everyone talking about the problem of too many cars clogging the street, and discussing possible solutions. Then they'll see you appear and start having a go at cyclists for no reason other than someone's username.
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:I think most people know what you are about so will form their own opinion.
John T Pharro wrote:No, I said someone was 'in danger of being a…'I didn't say they were a… There's a big difference. I have insulted no-one, not in that topic and not in this one.
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:By your own comments. You insulted (as usual) so have lost the argument.
John T Pharro wrote:I have said nothing about cyclists, you chose to bring cyclists into the conversation in a childish attempt at point scoring.
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:Me grow up you grow up I am criticising BAD cyclists. I also criticised bad car driving as well and bad parking. Stop nit picking sensible cyclist should wear helmets and of course lights are only needed at night on cycles. You are just paranoid about cyclist and think your opinion is the only one that counts. That is obvious from your posts on every subject.
John T Pharro wrote:Even though the story is about a road overly congested with parked CARS blocking access for the emergency services, you choose to use it to have a go at cyclists?
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:What is needed is sensible parking strictly controlled. Just like we need cyclist with helmets, lights, riding sensible on the roads not the pavements and strictly controlled. As well as sensible drivers not speeding or using mobile phones when driving strictly controlled.
This is why we need strict parking control.
Grow up.
Ps. Cycle helmets are not a legal requirement. And neither are cycle lights during daylight hours.
Were you not the one who said "when you insult you have lost the argument"? You done it before and just done it again.
I suggest you read it again, it's a story exclusively about a street so clogged with parked CARS that the emergency services could not get to their call-out.
What was it you called someone on the spy cars article? "A moronic dribbler". Clearly list that argument as well.
If you are objecting to my use of the word 'childish', that is not an insult, it is a description of your behaviour here, when you used a story about a street so congested with parked CARS to have a go at cyclists, based solely on who had contributed to the discussion.
Your behaviour was, and continues to be, childish. That is not an insult, it is an accurate description.
I do indeed think they'll form their own opinions.
reptile
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6:19pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:Why not go for a bike ride and calm down.
John T Pharro wrote:You're right. They'll read these comments, see everyone talking about the problem of too many cars clogging the street, and discussing possible solutions. Then they'll see you appear and start having a go at cyclists for no reason other than someone's username.
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:I think most people know what you are about so will form their own opinion.
John T Pharro wrote:No, I said someone was 'in danger of being a…'I didn't say they were a… There's a big difference. I have insulted no-one, not in that topic and not in this one.
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:By your own comments. You insulted (as usual) so have lost the argument.
John T Pharro wrote:I have said nothing about cyclists, you chose to bring cyclists into the conversation in a childish attempt at point scoring.
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:Me grow up you grow up I am criticising BAD cyclists. I also criticised bad car driving as well and bad parking. Stop nit picking sensible cyclist should wear helmets and of course lights are only needed at night on cycles. You are just paranoid about cyclist and think your opinion is the only one that counts. That is obvious from your posts on every subject.
John T Pharro wrote:Even though the story is about a road overly congested with parked CARS blocking access for the emergency services, you choose to use it to have a go at cyclists?
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:What is needed is sensible parking strictly controlled. Just like we need cyclist with helmets, lights, riding sensible on the roads not the pavements and strictly controlled. As well as sensible drivers not speeding or using mobile phones when driving strictly controlled.
This is why we need strict parking control.
Grow up.
Ps. Cycle helmets are not a legal requirement. And neither are cycle lights during daylight hours.
Were you not the one who said "when you insult you have lost the argument"? You done it before and just done it again.
I suggest you read it again, it's a story exclusively about a street so clogged with parked CARS that the emergency services could not get to their call-out.
What was it you called someone on the spy cars article? "A moronic dribbler". Clearly list that argument as well.
If you are objecting to my use of the word 'childish', that is not an insult, it is a description of your behaviour here, when you used a story about a street so congested with parked CARS to have a go at cyclists, based solely on who had contributed to the discussion.
Your behaviour was, and continues to be, childish. That is not an insult, it is an accurate description.
I do indeed think they'll form their own opinions.
Carnabackable
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6:44pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Eric the Red
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6:45pm Mon 25 Feb 13
reptile wrote:Why don't you two meet in a car park for a fight? Then WE can discuss the problem in hand.
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:Why not go for a bike ride and calm down.
John T Pharro wrote:You're right. They'll read these comments, see everyone talking about the problem of too many cars clogging the street, and discussing possible solutions. Then they'll see you appear and start having a go at cyclists for no reason other than someone's username.
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:I think most people know what you are about so will form their own opinion.
John T Pharro wrote:No, I said someone was 'in danger of being a…'I didn't say they were a… There's a big difference. I have insulted no-one, not in that topic and not in this one.
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:By your own comments. You insulted (as usual) so have lost the argument.
John T Pharro wrote:I have said nothing about cyclists, you chose to bring cyclists into the conversation in a childish attempt at point scoring.
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:Me grow up you grow up I am criticising BAD cyclists. I also criticised bad car driving as well and bad parking. Stop nit picking sensible cyclist should wear helmets and of course lights are only needed at night on cycles. You are just paranoid about cyclist and think your opinion is the only one that counts. That is obvious from your posts on every subject.
John T Pharro wrote:Even though the story is about a road overly congested with parked CARS blocking access for the emergency services, you choose to use it to have a go at cyclists?
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:What is needed is sensible parking strictly controlled. Just like we need cyclist with helmets, lights, riding sensible on the roads not the pavements and strictly controlled. As well as sensible drivers not speeding or using mobile phones when driving strictly controlled.
This is why we need strict parking control.
Grow up.
Ps. Cycle helmets are not a legal requirement. And neither are cycle lights during daylight hours.
Were you not the one who said "when you insult you have lost the argument"? You done it before and just done it again.
I suggest you read it again, it's a story exclusively about a street so clogged with parked CARS that the emergency services could not get to their call-out.
What was it you called someone on the spy cars article? "A moronic dribbler". Clearly list that argument as well.
If you are objecting to my use of the word 'childish', that is not an insult, it is a description of your behaviour here, when you used a story about a street so congested with parked CARS to have a go at cyclists, based solely on who had contributed to the discussion.
Your behaviour was, and continues to be, childish. That is not an insult, it is an accurate description.
I do indeed think they'll form their own opinions.
Soouthchurch59
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7:03pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Eric the Red wrote:Verbal pugilism is less painful!
reptile wrote:Why don't you two meet in a car park for a fight? Then WE can discuss the problem in hand.
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:Why not go for a bike ride and calm down.
John T Pharro wrote:You're right. They'll read these comments, see everyone talking about the problem of too many cars clogging the street, and discussing possible solutions. Then they'll see you appear and start having a go at cyclists for no reason other than someone's username.
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:I think most people know what you are about so will form their own opinion.
John T Pharro wrote:No, I said someone was 'in danger of being a…'I didn't say they were a… There's a big difference. I have insulted no-one, not in that topic and not in this one.
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:By your own comments. You insulted (as usual) so have lost the argument.
John T Pharro wrote:I have said nothing about cyclists, you chose to bring cyclists into the conversation in a childish attempt at point scoring.
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:Me grow up you grow up I am criticising BAD cyclists. I also criticised bad car driving as well and bad parking. Stop nit picking sensible cyclist should wear helmets and of course lights are only needed at night on cycles. You are just paranoid about cyclist and think your opinion is the only one that counts. That is obvious from your posts on every subject.
John T Pharro wrote:Even though the story is about a road overly congested with parked CARS blocking access for the emergency services, you choose to use it to have a go at cyclists?
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:What is needed is sensible parking strictly controlled. Just like we need cyclist with helmets, lights, riding sensible on the roads not the pavements and strictly controlled. As well as sensible drivers not speeding or using mobile phones when driving strictly controlled.
This is why we need strict parking control.
Grow up.
Ps. Cycle helmets are not a legal requirement. And neither are cycle lights during daylight hours.
Were you not the one who said "when you insult you have lost the argument"? You done it before and just done it again.
I suggest you read it again, it's a story exclusively about a street so clogged with parked CARS that the emergency services could not get to their call-out.
What was it you called someone on the spy cars article? "A moronic dribbler". Clearly list that argument as well.
If you are objecting to my use of the word 'childish', that is not an insult, it is a description of your behaviour here, when you used a story about a street so congested with parked CARS to have a go at cyclists, based solely on who had contributed to the discussion.
Your behaviour was, and continues to be, childish. That is not an insult, it is an accurate description.
I do indeed think they'll form their own opinions.
Sean4u
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7:06pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Any street that's less than an A-road that's built up on both sides should have a 100kg max unladen weight limit on it except for emergency vehicles and by one-off permits for construction equipment and the like.
Nobody needs more than 100kg of vehicle for local commuting / shopping / visiting / light industry and the current argument against such vehicles - "they would be crushed by heavier vehicles" - would be defused by dedicating minor roads to lightweight traffic.
Cockle
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7:06pm Mon 25 Feb 13
whateverhappened wrote:Were they, though?
All cars down this road were parked legally, this as stated before is a problem of the councils making by allowing the over development of the large edwardian houses.
I was always under the impression that it was illegal to park causing an obstruction regardless of any formal parking restrictions being in force. Surely if you have parked in such a way that a fire engine can't pass down the street then you must be causing an obstruction.
Out of interest, if a fire appliance can't get down this street then how does the dustcart collect the rubbish?
Soouthchurch59
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7:19pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Cockle wrote:They are probably a little more circumspect about where they park their cars on bin day. Those lorries leave a dent!
whateverhappened wrote:Were they, though?
All cars down this road were parked legally, this as stated before is a problem of the councils making by allowing the over development of the large edwardian houses.
I was always under the impression that it was illegal to park causing an obstruction regardless of any formal parking restrictions being in force. Surely if you have parked in such a way that a fire engine can't pass down the street then you must be causing an obstruction.
Out of interest, if a fire appliance can't get down this street then how does the dustcart collect the rubbish?
whataday
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7:20pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Cockle wrote:Good point
whateverhappened wrote:Were they, though?
All cars down this road were parked legally, this as stated before is a problem of the councils making by allowing the over development of the large edwardian houses.
I was always under the impression that it was illegal to park causing an obstruction regardless of any formal parking restrictions being in force. Surely if you have parked in such a way that a fire engine can't pass down the street then you must be causing an obstruction.
Out of interest, if a fire appliance can't get down this street then how does the dustcart collect the rubbish?
Alice in Her Own Land :P
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7:30pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Shoebury_Cyclist
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7:45pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Alice in Her Own Land :P wrote:From the article it would appear the plague isn't parking enforcement officers, the plague is too many parked cars clogging the street.
Do traffic wardens - or whatever they are called now - never venture down Holland Road? Surely a few tickets down there would serve as a warning! They plague everywhere else, why not there?
abd123
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8:24pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Devils Advocate
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12:49am Tue 26 Feb 13
David_Cameron
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8:54am Tue 26 Feb 13
allan348
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8:31pm Tue 26 Feb 13
Just kick off your high heels and get on yer Bike!!!
Julian Ware-Lane
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9:10pm Tue 26 Feb 13
Shoebury_Cyclist
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8:20am Wed 27 Feb 13
Julian Ware-Lane wrote:I think being trapped in their burning home and fire trucks not being able to reach them would be more stressful to residents than not being able to obstruct the road with parked cars.
Be careful what you wish for! The tender had some problems because cars were parked on both sides. There is no easy way of telling who owns these cars, many will doubtless belong to residents. I cannot imagine that many in Holland Road would want parking on just one side of the road, which is the one way to ensure that large vehicles such as fire tenders have unhindered access. This would halve the available parking spaces, causing even more stress for those with cars in the road.
Hathi67
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1:57pm Wed 27 Feb 13
Cars can be replaced, lives cannot!
Shoebury_Cyclist says...
1:37pm Mon 25 Feb 13