Estuary airport could destroy Southend's foreshore, claim councillors (From Southend Standard)

Looks great, add a bridge or tunnel across the river from Canvey and start building.

'The Environment Agency, Southend Council and Natural England are already investigating whether the digging of a channel down the Thames to the London Gateway super port being built at Stanford-le-Hope is eroding mud, which provides habitat for wildlife and supports the fishing industry.'

Well it's a bit late now, it was always going to happen.

Too right, don't use the excuse of erosion for a planned build, why didn't they take an interest in the already built deep water container port at Coryton, which is now responsible for the current (no pun intended) erosion of not only the mud off Chalkwell, but the silting of other previously, unhindered shorebareas, why? Cos MONEY TALKS

Its always important to remember that the estuary has been silting up for years and years,

The Thames estuary is a highly industrial waterway that has been altered by mankind for generations.

Intervention to prevent tidal flooding will need to be continually will need in to be enforced for many years to come at great expense.

Habitats for wildlife have already been lost or reduced due to heavy industrialisation of the Thames and its estuary.

a key example of the constantly changing environment of the estuary is the Hoo peninsular (right a bit from the isle of grain)

it was an old ammunitions factory that spanned several acres. It is now overgrown ruin that is rich with wildlife. Another example is the site of canvey island occidental oil refinery (never in service) vast swathes of the area where prepared for oil refining operations. It is now an overgrown relic that is teeming with wildlife. Nature has a unique ability to take back what mankind has done. I am in support of the estuary airport proposal as it seems the lesser of many potential evils so to speak.

jayman wrote:
Its always important to remember that the estuary has been silting up for years and years,

The Thames estuary is a highly industrial waterway that has been altered by mankind for generations.

Intervention to prevent tidal flooding will need to be continually will need in to be enforced for many years to come at great expense.

Habitats for wildlife have already been lost or reduced due to heavy industrialisation of the Thames and its estuary.

a key example of the constantly changing environment of the estuary is the Hoo peninsular (right a bit from the isle of grain)

it was an old ammunitions factory that spanned several acres. It is now overgrown ruin that is rich with wildlife. Another example is the site of canvey island occidental oil refinery (never in service) vast swathes of the area where prepared for oil refining operations. It is now an overgrown relic that is teeming with wildlife. Nature has a unique ability to take back what mankind has done. I am in support of the estuary airport proposal as it seems the lesser of many potential evils so to speak.

Of course habitats for the wildlife will always take second place, look at Thorney Bay.....LoL

jayman wrote:
Its always important to remember that the estuary has been silting up for years and years,

The Thames estuary is a highly industrial waterway that has been altered by mankind for generations.

Intervention to prevent tidal flooding will need to be continually will need in to be enforced for many years to come at great expense.

Habitats for wildlife have already been lost or reduced due to heavy industrialisation of the Thames and its estuary.

a key example of the constantly changing environment of the estuary is the Hoo peninsular (right a bit from the isle of grain)

it was an old ammunitions factory that spanned several acres. It is now overgrown ruin that is rich with wildlife. Another example is the site of canvey island occidental oil refinery (never in service) vast swathes of the area where prepared for oil refining operations. It is now an overgrown relic that is teeming with wildlife. Nature has a unique ability to take back what mankind has done. I am in support of the estuary airport proposal as it seems the lesser of many potential evils so to speak.

How can it be a 'lesser evil' than it not being built at all?

Southend Council will moan about and object to anything that does not offer them a back hander. Many years ago a huge internationally acclaimed foreign company offered ( free of charge) to build a new horizontal ski lift along the total length of Southend boroughs River Thames frontage. Some 7 miles in total. The longest horizontal lift in the world at that time. It would of cost Southend BC nothing and would of bought in thousands of tourists to our area. The reason Southend BC refused planning........... wait for it............. the company refused to give the council 40% of their profits. Surely a little bit of a lot, is worth far more than a whole lot of nothing.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

jayman wrote:
Its always important to remember that the estuary has been silting up for years and years,

The Thames estuary is a highly industrial waterway that has been altered by mankind for generations.

Intervention to prevent tidal flooding will need to be continually will need in to be enforced for many years to come at great expense.

Habitats for wildlife have already been lost or reduced due to heavy industrialisation of the Thames and its estuary.

a key example of the constantly changing environment of the estuary is the Hoo peninsular (right a bit from the isle of grain)

it was an old ammunitions factory that spanned several acres. It is now overgrown ruin that is rich with wildlife. Another example is the site of canvey island occidental oil refinery (never in service) vast swathes of the area where prepared for oil refining operations. It is now an overgrown relic that is teeming with wildlife. Nature has a unique ability to take back what mankind has done. I am in support of the estuary airport proposal as it seems the lesser of many potential evils so to speak.

How can it be a 'lesser evil' than it not being built at all?

I agree. The best environmental option would be to not have it built at all. From a pragmatic viewpoint and in light of emerging markets around the world, we need an expansion of long hall capacity. If it is in the UKs best interests to expand capacity in this way with a purpose built hub then in my opinion that should be chosen.

you cant stand in the way of progress, but you can change its course.

lets just make sure that the decisions made are based on clear and unbiased evidence and not the usual back room handshake..

Carnabackable wrote:
Too right, don't use the excuse of erosion for a planned build, why didn't they take an interest in the already built deep water container port at Coryton, which is now responsible for the current (no pun intended) erosion of not only the mud off Chalkwell, but the silting of other previously, unhindered shorebareas, why? Cos MONEY TALKS

I didnt realise that you were a scientist, and expert in coastal erosion.A man of many talents!

I think they should go for it. Any damage cause to the estaury has already been done so a bit of land reclaim would not make it any worse.

Build it! Nuff said.

jayman wrote:
Its always important to remember that the estuary has been silting up for years and years,

The Thames estuary is a highly industrial waterway that has been altered by mankind for generations.

Intervention to prevent tidal flooding will need to be continually will need in to be enforced for many years to come at great expense.

Habitats for wildlife have already been lost or reduced due to heavy industrialisation of the Thames and its estuary.

a key example of the constantly changing environment of the estuary is the Hoo peninsular (right a bit from the isle of grain)

it was an old ammunitions factory that spanned several acres. It is now overgrown ruin that is rich with wildlife. Another example is the site of canvey island occidental oil refinery (never in service) vast swathes of the area where prepared for oil refining operations. It is now an overgrown relic that is teeming with wildlife. Nature has a unique ability to take back what mankind has done. I am in support of the estuary airport proposal as it seems the lesser of many potential evils so to speak.

Oh S. hit i have to agree with jayman on this one
It makes sence and as for silting up DP TILBURY won't let that happen

Great spot for an airport! Right next to the SS Richard Montgomery!

Great spot for an airport! Right next to the SS Richard Montgomery!

TherealIndiana wrote:
Great spot for an airport! Right next to the SS Richard Montgomery!

The americans left it here, they can get rid of it (or pay the costs). If we do anything around their coastline they are very quick to send us the bill.

This is more todo with ships than plans? We should build the Esturary airport NOW!

And bridge it between Essex, Kent and channel tunnel, I think that between the 2 counties are probably wealthy enough to support the airport without London but the fact that high speed trains take under 20 minutes is a bonus!

firedog wrote:

Carnabackable wrote:
Too right, don't use the excuse of erosion for a planned build, why didn't they take an interest in the already built deep water container port at Coryton, which is now responsible for the current (no pun intended) erosion of not only the mud off Chalkwell, but the silting of other previously, unhindered shorebareas, why? Cos MONEY TALKS

I didnt realise that you were a scientist, and expert in coastal erosion.A man of many talents!

I didn't realise firedog was clever enough to be able to read into the obvious, however, if this latest monstrosity, is built make sure the Thorpe Bay moorings are moved to say Frinton...

TherealIndiana wrote:
Great spot for an airport! Right next to the SS Richard Montgomery!

Life could be a dream, Sha'Boom if they build it there, Life could be a dream as the tidal flows right up yer nose,
Life could be a dream, if old boy Borris, gets his dream, life could be a dream, sha'boom bang tidal flows a coming now, as old man Montgomery, says hello

It's somewhat ironic that the Council are saying that an estuary airport will destroy Southends foreshore when the very same Council has been doing just that for years.