Illegal Pitbull faces death sentence (From Southend Standard)

I got told yesterday of a Jack Russell getting ripped apart by two loose Rotwiellers on Saturday, but the local plolice REFUSED to get involved. By all accounts, HAD it been a human they attacked, they would have investigated the matter.

ALL dog attacks should be investigated.

Trainman wrote:
I got told yesterday of a Jack Russell getting ripped apart by two loose Rotwiellers on Saturday, but the local plolice REFUSED to get involved. By all accounts, HAD it been a human they attacked, they would have investigated the matter. ALL dog attacks should be investigated.

Dangerous things rumours and hearsay reported as fact. Something like that happening would surely at least be reported locally in the area it took place..... was it or have you just been spun a yarn?

"Hasn't got a vicious bone in his body". Yeah right, they all say that until they attack a child. All Pitbulls, Staffies, Ridegbacks etc should be banned forever. Why should anyone want to keep an animal reknown for attacking children? Makes no sense at all and says more about the owners than the dogs.

Aint it just the truth wrote:
"Hasn't got a vicious bone in his body". Yeah right, they all say that until they attack a child. All Pitbulls, Staffies, Ridegbacks etc should be banned forever. Why should anyone want to keep an animal reknown for attacking children? Makes no sense at all and says more about the owners than the dogs.

Quite, they are all lovable family pets until they attack something or someone.

She said:”Buster has the misfortune to resemble a PItt Bull type dog and was seized under the Dangerous Dogs Act.”

She said he had then been examined by Sgt Russ Abbott who identified the dog was in fact a Pitt Bull.

HOWEVER, SHE SAID THERE WAS NO SUGGESTION BUSTER HAD EVER BEEN DANGEROUS AT ANY TIME.


This just goes to show the utter stupidity of a breed specific law. The law should be deed, not breed. Perfectly innocent dogs are being cruelly destroyed purely because of their breed or because of what they look like.

the police need to find some cheaper kenneling, destroy the dog once a certain threshold accrues or ensure the owner pays (zero chance with this monkey).

Thats the strangest looking pitball I have ever seen. Its a cross between a boxer an-another but its too tall to be a pitbal and its stance is not a pitball, its head is not a pitball BUT if this dog has been a vicious dog then destroy it. Just cos a dog might have one bit that looks like a pitball dont mean it is one. My 2 bull mastiffs look like a pitbill but their 32inches to shoulder height says there not and also my pedigree from KC.

It's spelt Pitbull. It's written in the story several times.

Is there not a blood test that can be done to determine the breed of a dog rather than relying on someone to say it looks like a particular breed? Pit bulls are status dogs, not generally bought purely as a pet.

These poor dogs always suffer and its all because of the owners . The above dog apparantly has done nothing wrong apart from being a pit bull which in a loving home would probably turn out to be nothing but a loving family dog but thats depending on how its been treated in the past . I hope this dog has a happy ending

Rich+Carol wrote:
Thats the strangest looking pitball I have ever seen. Its a cross between a boxer an-another but its too tall to be a pitbal and its stance is not a pitball, its head is not a pitball BUT if this dog has been a vicious dog then destroy it. Just cos a dog might have one bit that looks like a pitball dont mean it is one. My 2 bull mastiffs look like a pitbill but their 32inches to shoulder height says there not and also my pedigree from KC.

I agree it doesnt look like a pitbull to me either but most the dogs that have been seized & put to sleep never do. It's wrong as we say punish the deed not the breed, and if the owner is irresponsible they should be fined & dealt with in the correct manner.

Quote: "For this reason he was only ordered to pay £150 towards the kennelling and £200 court costs."
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This is why this country is in dire financial trouble. Why are the police throwing away £4000? If the owner of the dog is liable for that money he should pay it, or did the police find hard to justify, to the judge, £4200 kennelling fees.

emcee wrote:
Quote: "For this reason he was only ordered to pay £150 towards the kennelling and £200 court costs."
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This is why this country is in dire financial trouble. Why are the police throwing away £4000? If the owner of the dog is liable for that money he should pay it, or did the police find hard to justify, to the judge, £4200 kennelling fees.

Or the police could stop seizing dogs the 'suspect' are Pitbulls without any evidence they are, and then kennelling them at huge expense while the case is fought.

This dog has done nothing wrong. It hasn't attacked anyone, it hasn't bitten anyone, yet because some jobsworth copper thinks 'it might be a Pitbull' this bill has been run up.

Blame the idiot police and this moronic breed specific law for the costs, not the innocent dog owner.

aduksquack wrote:

emcee wrote:
Quote: "For this reason he was only ordered to pay £150 towards the kennelling and £200 court costs."
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This is why this country is in dire financial trouble. Why are the police throwing away £4000? If the owner of the dog is liable for that money he should pay it, or did the police find hard to justify, to the judge, £4200 kennelling fees.

Or the police could stop seizing dogs the 'suspect' are Pitbulls without any evidence they are, and then kennelling them at huge expense while the case is fought.

This dog has done nothing wrong. It hasn't attacked anyone, it hasn't bitten anyone, yet because some jobsworth copper thinks 'it might be a Pitbull' this bill has been run up.

Blame the idiot police and this moronic breed specific law for the costs, not the innocent dog owner.

the owner was in prison for another offence during the period so clearly no angel. you have to question what the owner's motivation is for acquiring these dogs. 99 times out of a 100 it's 'cos e goes for the jugular. i'm comfortable with the 1 out of 100 being disappointed.

Is today the 1st of April?
A dog that doesn't look anything like a pitbull but is one?
£4,200 kennelling whilst Mr. Trant was "away" - who'd have looked after Buster if the police didn't?
Sgt. Russ Abbott - c u Jimmy
A Mr. T Rant - Shut up, fool!
And no-one investigating the dog's parentage - surely they too must be illegal pitbulls if he is.

There's something fishy about this whole story.

Aint it just the truth wrote:
"Hasn't got a vicious bone in his body". Yeah right, they all say that until they attack a child. All Pitbulls, Staffies, Ridegbacks etc should be banned forever. Why should anyone want to keep an animal reknown for attacking children? Makes no sense at all and says more about the owners than the dogs.

could not agree more

Aint it just the truth wrote:
"Hasn't got a vicious bone in his body". Yeah right, they all say that until they attack a child. All Pitbulls, Staffies, Ridegbacks etc should be banned forever. Why should anyone want to keep an animal reknown for attacking children? Makes no sense at all and says more about the owners than the dogs.

Putting some human beings down would be a better start.

Ive never heard such clap-trap in all my life from the usual uneducated know-it-alls, pitbulls are a historic breed with a history of being great with humans, especially kids, they are known for being good with people, just because some idiots have abused them over the last 20 years does not make a whole breed bad, there's far more stories of pitbulls doing good things than bad, you only have to look up the history of the breed to see the things they have accomplished, what about all the stories of pitbulls saving people? There's far more stories of them saving & rescuing people than attacking them, they are used as therapy dogs for ill people in some parts of america, police dogs, rescue dogs, theres many famous cases, i think half the people who post here should be muzzled or put-down personally

SpiffSpaffington1984 wrote:
Ive never heard such clap-trap in all my life from the usual uneducated know-it-alls, pitbulls are a historic breed with a history of being great with humans, especially kids, they are known for being good with people, just because some idiots have abused them over the last 20 years does not make a whole breed bad, there's far more stories of pitbulls doing good things than bad, you only have to look up the history of the breed to see the things they have accomplished, what about all the stories of pitbulls saving people? There's far more stories of them saving & rescuing people than attacking them, they are used as therapy dogs for ill people in some parts of america, police dogs, rescue dogs, theres many famous cases, i think half the people who post here should be muzzled or put-down personally

Totally agree I couldnt have said it any better myself. Love pitbulls amazing dogs just like staffies sadly its the chavs that give the breed a bad name.

Rich+Carol wrote:
Thats the strangest looking pitball I have ever seen. Its a cross between a boxer an-another but its too tall to be a pitbal and its stance is not a pitball, its head is not a pitball BUT if this dog has been a vicious dog then destroy it. Just cos a dog might have one bit that looks like a pitball dont mean it is one. My 2 bull mastiffs look like a pitbill but their 32inches to shoulder height says there not and also my pedigree from KC.

Just cos a dog might have one bit that looks like a potbill dont mean it is one. My two duckhounds look like a pinball but their 6 inches to shoulder height says there not and also my receipt from KFC.

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Put the owner down instead. The muppet will only get another mutt to boost his hardnut image. And he's bound to end up in clink again at some point so we (taxpayers) will save a few quid.

A win win.

Brunning999 wrote:

smithy741 wrote:

Brunning999 wrote:
Do they need someone to shoot it because nothing would give me greater pleasure.

You're well hard aint ya lol idiot.

No not now mate was though, Ireland,Falklands and a few other war zones in the mob.
Now just soft.

troll

Aint it just the truth wrote:
"Hasn't got a vicious bone in his body". Yeah right, they all say that until they attack a child. All Pitbulls, Staffies, Ridegbacks etc should be banned forever. Why should anyone want to keep an animal reknown for attacking children? Makes no sense at all and says more about the owners than the dogs.

ive owned purebred staffords for 30+ years,i also own 3 pugs ,and the stafford is bottom of the pack,my oldest pug puts her in her place,there is nothoing wrong with any of these breeds when responsible owners have them.pit bulls etc are only a problem when chavs breed and own then as status symbolsand fighting.

Aint it just the truth wrote:
"Hasn't got a vicious bone in his body". Yeah right, they all say that until they attack a child. All Pitbulls, Staffies, Ridegbacks etc should be banned forever. Why should anyone want to keep an animal reknown for attacking children? Makes no sense at all and says more about the owners than the dogs.

Perhaps all cats should be banned as well, how many infants have been suffocated by cats, and Jack Russels come to that, more children injured by Jack Russels than Staffies and the like. The only wa forward is to destry ALL pets, that way nobody can get injured, and while we're at it lets line the streets with cotton wool; just to be safe!

Aint it just the truth wrote:
"Hasn't got a vicious bone in his body". Yeah right, they all say that until they attack a child. All Pitbulls, Staffies, Ridegbacks etc should be banned forever. Why should anyone want to keep an animal reknown for attacking children? Makes no sense at all and says more about the owners than the dogs.

My goodness, your ignorance is jaw dropping.

Many humans are dangerous. A car is dangerous in the wrong hands. So is a bread knife. And a swimming pool. Oh, and electricity. Also gas.

Shall we ban everything in this world except maybe cotton wool or shall we say that dogs are not dangerous if bought up in a correct manner. The same as children.

Pit Bull Terriers were the most revered breed in the USA only a few decades ago. It wasn't until gangsters and criminals got hold of them, cropped their ears and made them aggressive, that they fell out of favour with the American public. You can thank the media for that BTW.

Staffordshire Bull Terriers are, and always have been a fantastic breed to have around children. They are referred to in all canine literature as 'The Nanny Dog'. Again, they've been given a bad name by irresponsible humans and the UK Press.

So, 'Aint it just the truth', please stop writing such ridiculous statements. You are as guilty as the gangsters of giving great dogs a bad name. SHAME ON YOU ! !

Rich Fletcher

alimac69 wrote:
Is there not a blood test that can be done to determine the breed of a dog rather than relying on someone to say it looks like a particular breed? Pit bulls are status dogs, not generally bought purely as a pet.

the Pitbull is not recognised as a breed in this country, it is in fact recognised as a "type" of dog. This is why DNA testing is useless, it is Guilty by tape measure. Any breed of dog can be found guilty purely by how it looks, regardless of its breed or temperament

rich 'guru' fletcher wrote:

Aint it just the truth wrote: "Hasn't got a vicious bone in his body". Yeah right, they all say that until they attack a child. All Pitbulls, Staffies, Ridegbacks etc should be banned forever. Why should anyone want to keep an animal reknown for attacking children? Makes no sense at all and says more about the owners than the dogs.

My goodness, your ignorance is jaw dropping. Many humans are dangerous. A car is dangerous in the wrong hands. So is a bread knife. And a swimming pool. Oh, and electricity. Also gas. Shall we ban everything in this world except maybe cotton wool or shall we say that dogs are not dangerous if bought up in a correct manner. The same as children. Pit Bull Terriers were the most revered breed in the USA only a few decades ago. It wasn't until gangsters and criminals got hold of them, cropped their ears and made them aggressive, that they fell out of favour with the American public. You can thank the media for that BTW. Staffordshire Bull Terriers are, and always have been a fantastic breed to have around children. They are referred to in all canine literature as 'The Nanny Dog'. Again, they've been given a bad name by irresponsible humans and the UK Press. So, 'Aint it just the truth', please stop writing such ridiculous statements. You are as guilty as the gangsters of giving great dogs a bad name. SHAME ON YOU ! ! Rich Fletcher

What absolute tosh. I have seen young staffies kill their own siblings for no reason and adult dogs attack others for no reason. That is the problem with them, they can be gentle and playful for years then they turn for no reason. How many times have we heard Pitbull or Staffie owners claim their dog had always been a gentle pet until they turned and attacked a child for no apparent reason?
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I am the last person to support the 'elf and safety culture - I sail small boats through North Sea gales and climb mountains - but there is a huge difference between taking calculated risks and the risks posed by dangerous animals. We used to be able to keep lions and poisonous reptiles but that has been banned now so why are people still allowed to keep these dangerous dogs? It makes no sense to me why anyone would actually want to keep an animal that has the potential to kill or maim children. Perhaps you can explain the mentality of people who want to do this?

bottom line the dog you own is a class thing these days. the average profile of a bull terrier owner is dope smoking, benefit sucking, unemployed thug/chav with a bit of previous and more than probably some current.

Blimey, I actually agree with old Asbo for once! Are you alright Asbo, not having a seisure are you?

i forgot the obligatory toddlers (casey and kaycee (solely conceived for the purposes of benefit extraction) that will provide a tasty dish for the foaming mutt sooner rather than later

asbo industries inc wrote:
bottom line the dog you own is a class thing these days. the average profile of a bull terrier owner is dope smoking, benefit sucking, unemployed thug/chav with a bit of previous and more than probably some current.

This maybe true but I own two girl staffs I took them puppy classes they are both chipped, have all vacs up to date and I come from a hard working family and have never smoked dope or claimed benefits & shock horror we own a lovely home :) I also know many other decent staff owners but as I said before sadly they have been overbred & chavs use them as a weapon but that is the owners fault not the dog, any dog is capable of attacking but sadly because you can buy staffs for £100 this ables the chavs to buy them from their benfits & keep on breeding them. Thousands get put to sleep a day & until something is done this will never change. We need dog breeding license brought back in & a limit on how many litters you can have & make it harder for irresponsible dog owners to buy these dogs. I don't have all the answers but I know im not a scumbag & I love my dogs to bits I just wish people wouldnt judge every staff owner :)

Sorry bad spelling im on my phone lol..

Aint it just the truth, i dont believe for a second a dog, especially a staff turned on its own sibling that is just ridiculous, dogs are pack animals they will fight to the death to protect their own family, whether that's human or dog, that's just a total myth, staffs or pitbull are only used for fighting because of their physical build as it is perfect for fighting, they were bred as an all-round highly-obidient, strong-physiqued, easy to teach dog, that is capable of any task, whether that be to hunt, carry things, protect people, they aren't genetically & mentally destined to fight from birth. That's total myth that they just have a jekyll & hyde personality, anybody who has ever owned 1 or known 1 in a good home will tell you that. You are quoting horror urban-myth tales that again have only been being said about them recently. There's never been a single dog attack that wasn't a dog that was treated badly and taught to act violently, it would never come across a pitbull's mind to attack a living thing unless it was taught to, not fed properly, locked in cupboards, or sheds and never knew how to socialise ect. If all staffr were gone we'd be having the same argument about dobermans or german shepards

Aint it just the truth wrote:

rich 'guru' fletcher wrote:

Aint it just the truth wrote: "Hasn't got a vicious bone in his body". Yeah right, they all say that until they attack a child. All Pitbulls, Staffies, Ridegbacks etc should be banned forever. Why should anyone want to keep an animal reknown for attacking children? Makes no sense at all and says more about the owners than the dogs.

My goodness, your ignorance is jaw dropping. Many humans are dangerous. A car is dangerous in the wrong hands. So is a bread knife. And a swimming pool. Oh, and electricity. Also gas. Shall we ban everything in this world except maybe cotton wool or shall we say that dogs are not dangerous if bought up in a correct manner. The same as children. Pit Bull Terriers were the most revered breed in the USA only a few decades ago. It wasn't until gangsters and criminals got hold of them, cropped their ears and made them aggressive, that they fell out of favour with the American public. You can thank the media for that BTW. Staffordshire Bull Terriers are, and always have been a fantastic breed to have around children. They are referred to in all canine literature as 'The Nanny Dog'. Again, they've been given a bad name by irresponsible humans and the UK Press. So, 'Aint it just the truth', please stop writing such ridiculous statements. You are as guilty as the gangsters of giving great dogs a bad name. SHAME ON YOU ! ! Rich Fletcher

What absolute tosh. I have seen young staffies kill their own siblings for no reason and adult dogs attack others for no reason. That is the problem with them, they can be gentle and playful for years then they turn for no reason. How many times have we heard Pitbull or Staffie owners claim their dog had always been a gentle pet until they turned and attacked a child for no apparent reason? . I am the last person to support the 'elf and safety culture - I sail small boats through North Sea gales and climb mountains - but there is a huge difference between taking calculated risks and the risks posed by dangerous animals. We used to be able to keep lions and poisonous reptiles but that has been banned now so why are people still allowed to keep these dangerous dogs? It makes no sense to me why anyone would actually want to keep an animal that has the potential to kill or maim children. Perhaps you can explain the mentality of people who want to do this?

Yes, I can. They are usually a bit thick and aggressive - their dogs being an extention of their own personalities. (More often than not)

Spot on Rochford Rob.
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"Aint it just the truth, i dont believe for a second a dog, especially a staff turned on its own sibling that is just ridiculous".
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Sorry Spiffspaff (as we have agreed on so many other issues) but this is absolutely true, saw it for myself. One of my friends used to help run a local animal rescue service and they used to take on any kind of wild animals and unwanted pets until they had a number of similar incidents where Staffies or similar breeds attacked with no provocation, and that's the trouble with Staffies and Pitbulls etc, they can be unpredictable, they can be meek and mild for years and then for some reason we don't understand they 'snap' and go into attack mode. How many more times do you have to hear those immortal words "he was always lovely with the children" ... until he snapped and attacked them? The bottom line is that there is no justification whatsoever to keep an animal that can kill and maim children so why do it? What's the point?

Rochford Rob wrote:

Aint it just the truth wrote:

rich 'guru' fletcher wrote:

Aint it just the truth wrote: "Hasn't got a vicious bone in his body". Yeah right, they all say that until they attack a child. All Pitbulls, Staffies, Ridegbacks etc should be banned forever. Why should anyone want to keep an animal reknown for attacking children? Makes no sense at all and says more about the owners than the dogs.

My goodness, your ignorance is jaw dropping. Many humans are dangerous. A car is dangerous in the wrong hands. So is a bread knife. And a swimming pool. Oh, and electricity. Also gas. Shall we ban everything in this world except maybe cotton wool or shall we say that dogs are not dangerous if bought up in a correct manner. The same as children. Pit Bull Terriers were the most revered breed in the USA only a few decades ago. It wasn't until gangsters and criminals got hold of them, cropped their ears and made them aggressive, that they fell out of favour with the American public. You can thank the media for that BTW. Staffordshire Bull Terriers are, and always have been a fantastic breed to have around children. They are referred to in all canine literature as 'The Nanny Dog'. Again, they've been given a bad name by irresponsible humans and the UK Press. So, 'Aint it just the truth', please stop writing such ridiculous statements. You are as guilty as the gangsters of giving great dogs a bad name. SHAME ON YOU ! ! Rich Fletcher

What absolute tosh. I have seen young staffies kill their own siblings for no reason and adult dogs attack others for no reason. That is the problem with them, they can be gentle and playful for years then they turn for no reason. How many times have we heard Pitbull or Staffie owners claim their dog had always been a gentle pet until they turned and attacked a child for no apparent reason? . I am the last person to support the 'elf and safety culture - I sail small boats through North Sea gales and climb mountains - but there is a huge difference between taking calculated risks and the risks posed by dangerous animals. We used to be able to keep lions and poisonous reptiles but that has been banned now so why are people still allowed to keep these dangerous dogs? It makes no sense to me why anyone would actually want to keep an animal that has the potential to kill or maim children. Perhaps you can explain the mentality of people who want to do this?

Yes, I can. They are usually a bit thick and aggressive - their dogs being an extention of their own personalities. (More often than not)

Staffs are certainly not thick and they are not naturally aggressive. I chose this breed as they are the most loyal, loving breed of dog and despite what you might think they are brilliant with children. The only reason you hear more staff attacks is purely because the amount of them there is in the uk. Years ago we banned pits then we tried Rottweilers & now it's staffs, in another 5 years it will be huskies as they are now being overbred & chavs are somehow managing to buy these, they must save their benefits for a month or two. The problem we have is society get rid of the chavs, make them work for their benefits & give them food vouchers not cash then they can't buy any type of dog and more importantly not smoke weed all day.

food vouchers...now that is an excellent idea so long as they can't be used in a corner shop to purchase alcohol, tobacco or rizzler papers.

asbo industries inc wrote:
food vouchers...now that is an excellent idea so long as they can't be used in a corner shop to purchase alcohol, tobacco or rizzler papers.

I take it you're being sarcastic? As I said I don't have all the answers but I'm pretty sure with today's technology they could do it so you can only spend the vouchers in say asda or tesco and you cannot buy fags & booze. As for the rizla without the weed they won't need the rizla.

Bo(i)ng.

smithy741 wrote:

asbo industries inc wrote:
food vouchers...now that is an excellent idea so long as they can't be used in a corner shop to purchase alcohol, tobacco or rizzler papers.

I take it you're being sarcastic? As I said I don't have all the answers but I'm pretty sure with today's technology they could do it so you can only spend the vouchers in say asda or tesco and you cannot buy fags & booze. As for the rizla without the weed they won't need the rizla.

no hint of sarcasm. asbo industries will pitch for the contract to run it. got to be better than richard branson...

asbo industries inc wrote:

smithy741 wrote:

asbo industries inc wrote:
food vouchers...now that is an excellent idea so long as they can't be used in a corner shop to purchase alcohol, tobacco or rizzler papers.

I take it you're being sarcastic? As I said I don't have all the answers but I'm pretty sure with today's technology they could do it so you can only spend the vouchers in say asda or tesco and you cannot buy fags & booze. As for the rizla without the weed they won't need the rizla.

no hint of sarcasm. asbo industries will pitch for the contract to run it. got to be better than richard branson...

Great lets put you forward then sort this country out once & for all lol.

Aint it just the truth wrote:
Spot on Rochford Rob. . "Aint it just the truth, i dont believe for a second a dog, especially a staff turned on its own sibling that is just ridiculous". . Sorry Spiffspaff (as we have agreed on so many other issues) but this is absolutely true, saw it for myself. One of my friends used to help run a local animal rescue service and they used to take on any kind of wild animals and unwanted pets until they had a number of similar incidents where Staffies or similar breeds attacked with no provocation, and that's the trouble with Staffies and Pitbulls etc, they can be unpredictable, they can be meek and mild for years and then for some reason we don't understand they 'snap' and go into attack mode. How many more times do you have to hear those immortal words "he was always lovely with the children" ... until he snapped and attacked them? The bottom line is that there is no justification whatsoever to keep an animal that can kill and maim children so why do it? What's the point?

And just how did your "FRIEND" introduce them to each other?. Therein is the problem. Sure, let's bung a load of "Staffies or similar breeds" together & see what happens, eh?. You should of reported your friend to the authorities.

smithy741 wrote:

Rochford Rob wrote:

Aint it just the truth wrote:

rich 'guru' fletcher wrote:

Aint it just the truth wrote: "Hasn't got a vicious bone in his body". Yeah right, they all say that until they attack a child. All Pitbulls, Staffies, Ridegbacks etc should be banned forever. Why should anyone want to keep an animal reknown for attacking children? Makes no sense at all and says more about the owners than the dogs.

My goodness, your ignorance is jaw dropping. Many humans are dangerous. A car is dangerous in the wrong hands. So is a bread knife. And a swimming pool. Oh, and electricity. Also gas. Shall we ban everything in this world except maybe cotton wool or shall we say that dogs are not dangerous if bought up in a correct manner. The same as children. Pit Bull Terriers were the most revered breed in the USA only a few decades ago. It wasn't until gangsters and criminals got hold of them, cropped their ears and made them aggressive, that they fell out of favour with the American public. You can thank the media for that BTW. Staffordshire Bull Terriers are, and always have been a fantastic breed to have around children. They are referred to in all canine literature as 'The Nanny Dog'. Again, they've been given a bad name by irresponsible humans and the UK Press. So, 'Aint it just the truth', please stop writing such ridiculous statements. You are as guilty as the gangsters of giving great dogs a bad name. SHAME ON YOU ! ! Rich Fletcher

What absolute tosh. I have seen young staffies kill their own siblings for no reason and adult dogs attack others for no reason. That is the problem with them, they can be gentle and playful for years then they turn for no reason. How many times have we heard Pitbull or Staffie owners claim their dog had always been a gentle pet until they turned and attacked a child for no apparent reason? . I am the last person to support the 'elf and safety culture - I sail small boats through North Sea gales and climb mountains - but there is a huge difference between taking calculated risks and the risks posed by dangerous animals. We used to be able to keep lions and poisonous reptiles but that has been banned now so why are people still allowed to keep these dangerous dogs? It makes no sense to me why anyone would actually want to keep an animal that has the potential to kill or maim children. Perhaps you can explain the mentality of people who want to do this?

Yes, I can. They are usually a bit thick and aggressive - their dogs being an extention of their own personalities. (More often than not)

Staffs are certainly not thick and they are not naturally aggressive. I chose this breed as they are the most loyal, loving breed of dog and despite what you might think they are brilliant with children. The only reason you hear more staff attacks is purely because the amount of them there is in the uk. Years ago we banned pits then we tried Rottweilers & now it's staffs, in another 5 years it will be huskies as they are now being overbred & chavs are somehow managing to buy these, they must save their benefits for a month or two. The problem we have is society get rid of the chavs, make them work for their benefits & give them food vouchers not cash then they can't buy any type of dog and more importantly not smoke weed all day.

Stereotypical Staffie owner does seem to meet this criteria unfortunately, but that isn't the dogs fault.

I cringe everytime i see one of these wasters parading their Staffie around a town centre, probably looking for either the benefits offiice or their next drugs fix. I'll say it again though, that isn't the dogs fault.

I run two successful business', am married with 2 beautiful children. My wife owns her own business. We own three staffie's, 2 male and one female and all are well behaved and affectionate animals. Had they been homed with scum owners, do doubt they wouldn't be such loving creatures. Dogs my friend are like humans, products of their environments.

You are obviously just a Staffie hater and love to make that known. As I remember, I've never seen a middle class owner in the news reporting that " The dog had always been great, then one day he just turned". That's a classic line for pond life to use when the dog has allowed them years of blantent mistakes and then one day it comes back to haunt them.

I can't waste anymore time on this. I'll close my involvement with this thread by saying that the UK Government needs to introduce a license scheme. Owning a dog shouldn't just be a given. Staffies etc are powerful dogs and with ownership comes great responsibility.

Oh, and I don't smoke weed.

rich 'guru' fletcher wrote:

smithy741 wrote:

Rochford Rob wrote:

Aint it just the truth wrote:

rich 'guru' fletcher wrote:

Aint it just the truth wrote: "Hasn't got a vicious bone in his body". Yeah right, they all say that until they attack a child. All Pitbulls, Staffies, Ridegbacks etc should be banned forever. Why should anyone want to keep an animal reknown for attacking children? Makes no sense at all and says more about the owners than the dogs.

My goodness, your ignorance is jaw dropping. Many humans are dangerous. A car is dangerous in the wrong hands. So is a bread knife. And a swimming pool. Oh, and electricity. Also gas. Shall we ban everything in this world except maybe cotton wool or shall we say that dogs are not dangerous if bought up in a correct manner. The same as children. Pit Bull Terriers were the most revered breed in the USA only a few decades ago. It wasn't until gangsters and criminals got hold of them, cropped their ears and made them aggressive, that they fell out of favour with the American public. You can thank the media for that BTW. Staffordshire Bull Terriers are, and always have been a fantastic breed to have around children. They are referred to in all canine literature as 'The Nanny Dog'. Again, they've been given a bad name by irresponsible humans and the UK Press. So, 'Aint it just the truth', please stop writing such ridiculous statements. You are as guilty as the gangsters of giving great dogs a bad name. SHAME ON YOU ! ! Rich Fletcher

What absolute tosh. I have seen young staffies kill their own siblings for no reason and adult dogs attack others for no reason. That is the problem with them, they can be gentle and playful for years then they turn for no reason. How many times have we heard Pitbull or Staffie owners claim their dog had always been a gentle pet until they turned and attacked a child for no apparent reason? . I am the last person to support the 'elf and safety culture - I sail small boats through North Sea gales and climb mountains - but there is a huge difference between taking calculated risks and the risks posed by dangerous animals. We used to be able to keep lions and poisonous reptiles but that has been banned now so why are people still allowed to keep these dangerous dogs? It makes no sense to me why anyone would actually want to keep an animal that has the potential to kill or maim children. Perhaps you can explain the mentality of people who want to do this?

Yes, I can. They are usually a bit thick and aggressive - their dogs being an extention of their own personalities. (More often than not)

Staffs are certainly not thick and they are not naturally aggressive. I chose this breed as they are the most loyal, loving breed of dog and despite what you might think they are brilliant with children. The only reason you hear more staff attacks is purely because the amount of them there is in the uk. Years ago we banned pits then we tried Rottweilers & now it's staffs, in another 5 years it will be huskies as they are now being overbred & chavs are somehow managing to buy these, they must save their benefits for a month or two. The problem we have is society get rid of the chavs, make them work for their benefits & give them food vouchers not cash then they can't buy any type of dog and more importantly not smoke weed all day.

Stereotypical Staffie owner does seem to meet this criteria unfortunately, but that isn't the dogs fault.

I cringe everytime i see one of these wasters parading their Staffie around a town centre, probably looking for either the benefits offiice or their next drugs fix. I'll say it again though, that isn't the dogs fault.

I run two successful business', am married with 2 beautiful children. My wife owns her own business. We own three staffie's, 2 male and one female and all are well behaved and affectionate animals. Had they been homed with scum owners, do doubt they wouldn't be such loving creatures. Dogs my friend are like humans, products of their environments.

You are obviously just a Staffie hater and love to make that known. As I remember, I've never seen a middle class owner in the news reporting that " The dog had always been great, then one day he just turned". That's a classic line for pond life to use when the dog has allowed them years of blantent mistakes and then one day it comes back to haunt them.

I can't waste anymore time on this. I'll close my involvement with this thread by saying that the UK Government needs to introduce a license scheme. Owning a dog shouldn't just be a given. Staffies etc are powerful dogs and with ownership comes great responsibility.

Oh, and I don't smoke weed.

You have just quoted what I said I take it thats a mistake & you meant to quote aint that just the truth.

hilarious. no-one is offended by a remark that the owners should be put down but a remark about koreans and their dog eating tendencies is deemed offensive.

asbo industries inc wrote:
hilarious. no-one is offended by a remark that the owners should be put down but a remark about koreans and their dog eating tendencies is deemed offensive.

That's what you get when you call a spade a spade Asbo. You are usually very quick to criticise others who do just that.

The Soldier in White wrote:

asbo industries inc wrote:
hilarious. no-one is offended by a remark that the owners should be put down but a remark about koreans and their dog eating tendencies is deemed offensive.

That's what you get when you call a spade a spade Asbo. You are usually very quick to criticise others who do just that.

i have never complained about anyone's posts on this website. i do call a spade a spade and abuse goes with the territory (it's water off aduksback to me). if you're referring to the other thread it needed a time out. the line was crossed but i would rather deal with that on the forum than through admin. i'm sure you understand.

Dumbnut wrote:

Aint it just the truth wrote: Spot on Rochford Rob. . "Aint it just the truth, i dont believe for a second a dog, especially a staff turned on its own sibling that is just ridiculous". . Sorry Spiffspaff (as we have agreed on so many other issues) but this is absolutely true, saw it for myself. One of my friends used to help run a local animal rescue service and they used to take on any kind of wild animals and unwanted pets until they had a number of similar incidents where Staffies or similar breeds attacked with no provocation, and that's the trouble with Staffies and Pitbulls etc, they can be unpredictable, they can be meek and mild for years and then for some reason we don't understand they 'snap' and go into attack mode. How many more times do you have to hear those immortal words "he was always lovely with the children" ... until he snapped and attacked them? The bottom line is that there is no justification whatsoever to keep an animal that can kill and maim children so why do it? What's the point?

And just how did your "FRIEND" introduce them to each other?. Therein is the problem. Sure, let's bung a load of "Staffies or similar breeds" together & see what happens, eh?. You should of reported your friend to the authorities.

Dumnut (name suits you sir, including the misspelling) "my friend" worked for a long established registered animal rescue charity so I think they know how to handle animals correctly and what they found is that Staffies and one or two other breeds cannot be trusted. End of.

Whilst I agree something needs to be done to change the Dangerous Dogs Act, I'm on the fence about BSL...yes the owner should be dealt with rather than the dog.
The 4 banned breeds are for the reason that they are potentailly more aggressive than other breeds. Granted some dogs within these breeds may never hurt a human or another animal, but... if you know someone who is of good natured and kind to all, would you let them drive a car if they were banned or didn't have a license, surely this is the same, if they are banned they should be banned, unless they have as the DDA says lisence from the courts to keep the dog.
In turn, maybe something should be done about giving the right breed to the right owner and their capabilities. Like driving motorbikes, at 16 it is only mopeds and as you get older and more experienced you are able to ride more powerful ones. Freedom of choice or making sure the dog is used, cared for correctly and doesn't get dumped etc etc.

Aint it just the truth wrote:

Dumbnut wrote:

Aint it just the truth wrote: Spot on Rochford Rob. . "Aint it just the truth, i dont believe for a second a dog, especially a staff turned on its own sibling that is just ridiculous". . Sorry Spiffspaff (as we have agreed on so many other issues) but this is absolutely true, saw it for myself. One of my friends used to help run a local animal rescue service and they used to take on any kind of wild animals and unwanted pets until they had a number of similar incidents where Staffies or similar breeds attacked with no provocation, and that's the trouble with Staffies and Pitbulls etc, they can be unpredictable, they can be meek and mild for years and then for some reason we don't understand they 'snap' and go into attack mode. How many more times do you have to hear those immortal words "he was always lovely with the children" ... until he snapped and attacked them? The bottom line is that there is no justification whatsoever to keep an animal that can kill and maim children so why do it? What's the point?

And just how did your "FRIEND" introduce them to each other?. Therein is the problem. Sure, let's bung a load of "Staffies or similar breeds" together & see what happens, eh?. You should of reported your friend to the authorities.

Dumnut (name suits you sir, including the misspelling) "my friend" worked for a long established registered animal rescue charity so I think they know how to handle animals correctly and what they found is that Staffies and one or two other breeds cannot be trusted. End of.

I will not lower myself to your misspelling of my log in nor your bigoted views of Staffies. Your friend may have a good record of animal rescues, but he/she does not know about Staffies. I've got 36 years knowledge of owning Staffies. You sir are talking out of your rectum. Have a good day.

Aint it just the truth wrote:

Dumbnut wrote:

Aint it just the truth wrote: Spot on Rochford Rob. . "Aint it just the truth, i dont believe for a second a dog, especially a staff turned on its own sibling that is just ridiculous". . Sorry Spiffspaff (as we have agreed on so many other issues) but this is absolutely true, saw it for myself. One of my friends used to help run a local animal rescue service and they used to take on any kind of wild animals and unwanted pets until they had a number of similar incidents where Staffies or similar breeds attacked with no provocation, and that's the trouble with Staffies and Pitbulls etc, they can be unpredictable, they can be meek and mild for years and then for some reason we don't understand they 'snap' and go into attack mode. How many more times do you have to hear those immortal words "he was always lovely with the children" ... until he snapped and attacked them? The bottom line is that there is no justification whatsoever to keep an animal that can kill and maim children so why do it? What's the point?

And just how did your "FRIEND" introduce them to each other?. Therein is the problem. Sure, let's bung a load of "Staffies or similar breeds" together & see what happens, eh?. You should of reported your friend to the authorities.

Dumnut (name suits you sir, including the misspelling) "my friend" worked for a long established registered animal rescue charity so I think they know how to handle animals correctly and what they found is that Staffies and one or two other breeds cannot be trusted. End of.

I'm sorry this is complete rubbish and you know it, I work with dog rescue's weekly and this is not true. All my rescue friends work with many breeds and I've never once heard them say you cannot trust staffies. I know that many people have their views on staffies & we responsible owners cannot change their opinion, but I know & many others on here know the truth about this breed so that's my last word on it. Has been nice to see so many decent people on here standing up for staffies & pitbulls, I love all bull breeds & will continue to rescue & help out where I can, and will always choose this breed for our family pet.

Aint it just the truth wrote:

rich 'guru' fletcher wrote:

Aint it just the truth wrote: "Hasn't got a vicious bone in his body". Yeah right, they all say that until they attack a child. All Pitbulls, Staffies, Ridegbacks etc should be banned forever. Why should anyone want to keep an animal reknown for attacking children? Makes no sense at all and says more about the owners than the dogs.

My goodness, your ignorance is jaw dropping. Many humans are dangerous. A car is dangerous in the wrong hands. So is a bread knife. And a swimming pool. Oh, and electricity. Also gas. Shall we ban everything in this world except maybe cotton wool or shall we say that dogs are not dangerous if bought up in a correct manner. The same as children. Pit Bull Terriers were the most revered breed in the USA only a few decades ago. It wasn't until gangsters and criminals got hold of them, cropped their ears and made them aggressive, that they fell out of favour with the American public. You can thank the media for that BTW. Staffordshire Bull Terriers are, and always have been a fantastic breed to have around children. They are referred to in all canine literature as 'The Nanny Dog'. Again, they've been given a bad name by irresponsible humans and the UK Press. So, 'Aint it just the truth', please stop writing such ridiculous statements. You are as guilty as the gangsters of giving great dogs a bad name. SHAME ON YOU ! ! Rich Fletcher

What absolute tosh. I have seen young staffies kill their own siblings for no reason and adult dogs attack others for no reason. That is the problem with them, they can be gentle and playful for years then they turn for no reason. How many times have we heard Pitbull or Staffie owners claim their dog had always been a gentle pet until they turned and attacked a child for no apparent reason?
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I am the last person to support the 'elf and safety culture - I sail small boats through North Sea gales and climb mountains - but there is a huge difference between taking calculated risks and the risks posed by dangerous animals. We used to be able to keep lions and poisonous reptiles but that has been banned now so why are people still allowed to keep these dangerous dogs? It makes no sense to me why anyone would actually want to keep an animal that has the potential to kill or maim children. Perhaps you can explain the mentality of people who want to do this?

Fist of, both lions and poisonous reptiles are perfectly legal to own in the uk under the dangerous wild animal act, as long as the person has a dangerous wild animal licence from their local authority. Anyone has the right to apply for one. Species covered by CITES also require an article 10 certificate from cites to prove it was obtained legally.

Second, the centre of disease and control in American have recorded over 30 different breeds involved in fatal attacks on humans, including Dalmatians, st Bernard’s, Labradors and golden retrievers.

People have this total false belief that they are unpredictable and just snap purely because we've heard the same line from chav owners after dog attacks "it was fine then 1 day just turned", they are not going to say "i was winding it up all morning and whacking it with a stick & making it attack a football like i always do before putting it back in the shed for 4 hours and then letting it out in the garden with my 4 year old son". As stated already, when was the last time you heard of an attack by a dog owned by a middle class family? It doesn't happen, and they do own them, they just don't hang around town centres with them. Iv been snapped at by yorkies, jack russels, even got chased by a poodle once, if they were staffs they'd be saying its because they are dangerous. Staffs & pitbulls were popular for a reason, they didn't get the respect they used to have by being unpredictable. And the person that said staffs were thick, that is ridiculous they are easily one of the most intelligent breeds around, anybody with knowledge of dogs will tell you that, that's another total myth

People have this total false belief that they are unpredictable and just snap purely because we've heard the same line from chav owners after dog attacks "it was fine then 1 day just turned", they are not going to say "i was winding it up all morning and whacking it with a stick & making it attack a football like i always do before putting it back in the shed for 4 hours and then letting it out in the garden with my 4 year old son". As stated already, when was the last time you heard of an attack by a dog owned by a middle class family? It doesn't happen, and they do own them, they just don't hang around town centres with them. Iv been snapped at by yorkies, jack russels, even got chased by a poodle once, if they were staffs they'd be saying its because they are dangerous. Staffs & pitbulls were popular for a reason, they didn't get the respect they used to have by being unpredictable. And the person that said staffs were thick, that is ridiculous they are easily one of the most intelligent breeds around, anybody with knowledge of dogs will tell you that, that's another total myth

I think all dogs! and i mean all dogs. should be muzzled, from as soon as you take them out for a walk, or let them off the lead,and then everyone will be safe.
my dog is a lab, and she is so soft, but i would still muzzle her, you never know,what could happen.

SpiffSpaffington1984 wrote:
People have this total false belief that they are unpredictable and just snap purely because we've heard the same line from chav owners after dog attacks "it was fine then 1 day just turned", they are not going to say "i was winding it up all morning and whacking it with a stick & making it attack a football like i always do before putting it back in the shed for 4 hours and then letting it out in the garden with my 4 year old son". As stated already, when was the last time you heard of an attack by a dog owned by a middle class family? It doesn't happen, and they do own them, they just don't hang around town centres with them. Iv been snapped at by yorkies, jack russels, even got chased by a poodle once, if they were staffs they'd be saying its because they are dangerous. Staffs & pitbulls were popular for a reason, they didn't get the respect they used to have by being unpredictable. And the person that said staffs were thick, that is ridiculous they are easily one of the most intelligent breeds around, anybody with knowledge of dogs will tell you that, that's another total myth

Very well put and you have it spot on.

smithy741 wrote:

SpiffSpaffington1984 wrote:
People have this total false belief that they are unpredictable and just snap purely because we've heard the same line from chav owners after dog attacks "it was fine then 1 day just turned", they are not going to say "i was winding it up all morning and whacking it with a stick & making it attack a football like i always do before putting it back in the shed for 4 hours and then letting it out in the garden with my 4 year old son". As stated already, when was the last time you heard of an attack by a dog owned by a middle class family? It doesn't happen, and they do own them, they just don't hang around town centres with them. Iv been snapped at by yorkies, jack russels, even got chased by a poodle once, if they were staffs they'd be saying its because they are dangerous. Staffs & pitbulls were popular for a reason, they didn't get the respect they used to have by being unpredictable. And the person that said staffs were thick, that is ridiculous they are easily one of the most intelligent breeds around, anybody with knowledge of dogs will tell you that, that's another total myth

Very well put and you have it spot on.

And only this morning, before I even got to the gate and saying 'good morning' to a random labrador owner, had a unapproving look up and down, sniff to the air, then..'.those types of dogs should not be out in public'! Says it all to me about some comments on here and I feel for all the 'normal' dog owners, staffs or otherwise. If you are a dog owner, then train and socialise it- whatever size/ breed. My GSD has been in vets twicefor emergency reasons. Once attacked by a Labrador that ripped open his chest, second a large poodle type. He still has a deformed lip from a yorkie who attacked him as a pup. Is he aggressive? No. Any breed can be if not properly trained. If you own any animals, with it comes responsibility.end of.

Aint it just the truth wrote:

rich 'guru' fletcher wrote:

Aint it just the truth wrote: "Hasn't got a vicious bone in his body". Yeah right, they all say that until they attack a child. All Pitbulls, Staffies, Ridegbacks etc should be banned forever. Why should anyone want to keep an animal reknown for attacking children? Makes no sense at all and says more about the owners than the dogs.

My goodness, your ignorance is jaw dropping. Many humans are dangerous. A car is dangerous in the wrong hands. So is a bread knife. And a swimming pool. Oh, and electricity. Also gas. Shall we ban everything in this world except maybe cotton wool or shall we say that dogs are not dangerous if bought up in a correct manner. The same as children. Pit Bull Terriers were the most revered breed in the USA only a few decades ago. It wasn't until gangsters and criminals got hold of them, cropped their ears and made them aggressive, that they fell out of favour with the American public. You can thank the media for that BTW. Staffordshire Bull Terriers are, and always have been a fantastic breed to have around children. They are referred to in all canine literature as 'The Nanny Dog'. Again, they've been given a bad name by irresponsible humans and the UK Press. So, 'Aint it just the truth', please stop writing such ridiculous statements. You are as guilty as the gangsters of giving great dogs a bad name. SHAME ON YOU ! ! Rich Fletcher

What absolute tosh. I have seen young staffies kill their own siblings for no reason and adult dogs attack others for no reason. That is the problem with them, they can be gentle and playful for years then they turn for no reason. How many times have we heard Pitbull or Staffie owners claim their dog had always been a gentle pet until they turned and attacked a child for no apparent reason?
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I am the last person to support the 'elf and safety culture - I sail small boats through North Sea gales and climb mountains - but there is a huge difference between taking calculated risks and the risks posed by dangerous animals. We used to be able to keep lions and poisonous reptiles but that has been banned now so why are people still allowed to keep these dangerous dogs? It makes no sense to me why anyone would actually want to keep an animal that has the potential to kill or maim children. Perhaps you can explain the mentality of people who want to do this?

What a lot of garbage.

Staffords and other bull-breeds were bred for their game nature, for sport, meaning that they were bred, by man, to be aggressive towards other dogs and small prey (though prey drive is innate).

They do not 'turn' for no reason, nor do they routinely maul children or any of the other claptrap you're spouting. They're just dogs, they are what their owner makes of them. Should they be kept on leash? Yes, but so should all bloody dogs!

Now, stop speaking guff about things you clearly know nothing about and get back to your small boat, Popeye.

bongking wrote:
I think all dogs! and i mean all dogs. should be muzzled, from as soon as you take them out for a walk, or let them off the lead,and then everyone will be safe.
my dog is a lab, and she is so soft, but i would still muzzle her, you never know,what could happen.

That is a great idea!!! wow i wonder why its never caught on, maybe because to will create more aggressive dogs. Maybe a new law should be brought in saying dogs should never leave the house or never be owned by humans that way there will be no attacks on other dogs or anyone.
So does that mean that all humans should be handcuffed and muzzled so they can't rob, murder, attack others too? Its only fair...

Illinois10 wrote:

bongking wrote:
I think all dogs! and i mean all dogs. should be muzzled, from as soon as you take them out for a walk, or let them off the lead,and then everyone will be safe.
my dog is a lab, and she is so soft, but i would still muzzle her, you never know,what could happen.

That is a great idea!!! wow i wonder why its never caught on, maybe because to will create more aggressive dogs. Maybe a new law should be brought in saying dogs should never leave the house or never be owned by humans that way there will be no attacks on other dogs or anyone.
So does that mean that all humans should be handcuffed and muzzled so they can't rob, murder, attack others too? Its only fair...

Humans have the ability to understand consequences of their decision making and can make informed choices. This will take presidence over any human instinct.
However, with dogs instinct will prevail and any training is merely manipulation of the dogs instincts.