Airport compensation claims could take years, bosses warn (From Southend Standard)

So only those who have been living in the area before it became an airport, need apply ?

APR wrote:
So only those who have been living in the area before it became an airport, need apply ?

Makes sense to me

That's nice - if it takes 2 years to get compensation then they will be able to celebrate the centenary of the airport - I am correct in saying it came into being circa 1914 aren't I?

perini wrote:
That's nice - if it takes 2 years to get compensation then they will be able to celebrate the centenary of the airport - I am correct in saying it came into being circa 1914 aren't I?

Yes, but that was, I believe, as an RFC field, it only became an airport in the late 50s/early 60's.

APR, there has to be a definition of "into being" ie, before the current upgrade, before the Stobbart purchase, or before .. when?

I do not doubt that house prices have dropped in the SS2 postcode area, just as in all the SS postcodes and most others in the UK. It is called an economic recession.

Dropped from what though? The 75% increase some properties have experienced within the last 10-15 years......About the same time the outlining permission for the station and terminal was given. ;)
I've seen Airbus's, Boeings flying out of Southend along time before the extension came into being.


Typical quote from someone boy'd up by SAEN to apply for 'Compensation'..... "he can have my number ....if he gets me a few quid lovley jubbly...."

They are probably booking flights now from Southend with the money they think they can grab.

Six posts and nothing from the pretend pilot? Where are you Max? Still looking for those photos of Italy I asked you for last week?

Why no paragraphs in the above story, doesn't make for a nice read.

Considering that the airport is, and will still be, quieter (even at full capacity) than it was in the past sort of rules out 99% of all claims.
I really cannot get my head around why anyone who buys a house on an approach/take off path of a local airport, knowing that the airport used to be busy, thinks that they will NEVER experience aircraft flying overhead or thinking that the airport will NEVER exapand in the future.
I would rather see the airport spend millions defending any claims than spend millions lining the pockets of chancers.

emcee, some of them (councilors and estate agents) didn't realize they were in the flight path!

BASILBRUSH wrote:
Dropped from what though? The 75% increase some properties have experienced within the last 10-15 years......About the same time the outlining permission for the station and terminal was given. ;)
I've seen Airbus's, Boeings flying out of Southend along time before the extension came into being.


Typical quote from someone boy'd up by SAEN to apply for 'Compensation'..... "he can have my number ....if he gets me a few quid lovley jubbly...."

They are probably booking flights now from Southend with the money they think they can grab.

Liar.

I see no mention of SAEN in the story.

aduksquack wrote:

BASILBRUSH wrote: Dropped from what though? The 75% increase some properties have experienced within the last 10-15 years......About the same time the outlining permission for the station and terminal was given. ;) I've seen Airbus's, Boeings flying out of Southend along time before the extension came into being. Typical quote from someone boy'd up by SAEN to apply for 'Compensation'..... "he can have my number ....if he gets me a few quid lovley jubbly...." They are probably booking flights now from Southend with the money they think they can grab.

Liar. I see no mention of SAEN in the story.

I think Basilbrush is commenting on the fact that it was saen that had originally arranged a meeting relating to the subject of claiming compensation, and that it was saen that were offering advice at the meeting and that many of those that took up the option of claiming compensation had attended the afore mentioned meeting.

They have since (or will be) setting up a separate group to handle any group action that they wish to undertake.
However the group action could lead to issues as what will the new groups constitution state, would it call on all members wishing to join to pay the same amount in fee’s no matter how much they get or would it depend on how much each home owner is awarded.

Anyone considering a group action should think first, as it could end up costing you more than going it alone.

exBillericayDicky wrote:

perini wrote: That's nice - if it takes 2 years to get compensation then they will be able to celebrate the centenary of the airport - I am correct in saying it came into being circa 1914 aren't I?

Yes, but that was, I believe, as an RFC field, it only became an airport in the late 50s/early 60's. APR, there has to be a definition of "into being" ie, before the current upgrade, before the Stobbart purchase, or before .. when?

A very brief history:

Monday 31st May 1915: First "live" sortie by RFC

Thursday 4th December 1919: Last RFC flight, civilian flying continued for a short time before much of the site reverted to farming.

Wednesday 18th September 1935: Civilian flying restarted (flying has continued ever since)

Summer 1937: RAF move in

Tuesday 17th December 1946: Civilian Flying start again.

Tuesday 31st December 1946: Airfield derequisitioned & Southend Corporation given licence to operate the airport.

So flying has been continuess since 1935.

j-w wrote:
emcee, some of them (councilors and estate agents) didn't realize they were in the flight path!

Proximity to an airports final approach/ climbout is flagged up in the searches done by the solicitors when a house is purchased, This is important information as it limits what kind of development you are allowed to do to your house.

If reading all those big scary documents provided by the solicitor was too confusing for the poor dears, you would imagine that the overflying maintenance flights and training aircraft that were using Sarfend before the development would have been a big clue

Anyone who tries to use the excuse that they "didn't know" is either a moron or a liar.

Joe Wildman wrote:

aduksquack wrote:

BASILBRUSH wrote: Dropped from what though? The 75% increase some properties have experienced within the last 10-15 years......About the same time the outlining permission for the station and terminal was given. ;) I've seen Airbus's, Boeings flying out of Southend along time before the extension came into being. Typical quote from someone boy'd up by SAEN to apply for 'Compensation'..... "he can have my number ....if he gets me a few quid lovley jubbly...." They are probably booking flights now from Southend with the money they think they can grab.

Liar. I see no mention of SAEN in the story.

I think Basilbrush is commenting on the fact that it was saen that had originally arranged a meeting relating to the subject of claiming compensation, and that it was saen that were offering advice at the meeting and that many of those that took up the option of claiming compensation had attended the afore mentioned meeting.

They have since (or will be) setting up a separate group to handle any group action that they wish to undertake.
However the group action could lead to issues as what will the new groups constitution state, would it call on all members wishing to join to pay the same amount in fee’s no matter how much they get or would it depend on how much each home owner is awarded.

Anyone considering a group action should think first, as it could end up costing you more than going it alone.

Perhaps you should look at a popular Social network and SAEN's page. At no point did I say the quote was from the above article.
Just demonstrating AN example of someone in it for the money. ;)

Ok, as have been abused in past, was neutral and am now on the fence.... Iwhere I life on marine estate, it is bad. But what I can't understand is, if you move one road away, it is not. Trying to be positive, so is it lay out of land? Hills etc? Over past few days has been quite intrusive and have always tried to be positive? Really honestly, without abuse can this happen? Can noise be louder because of land layout?
Genuine question?

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of course he will say "it will take years" his advice on anything that will make the airport more responsible or accountable is as accurate as a conservative manifesto.

its like listening to the words of a second hand car salesman.

take your advice from a legal professional not a slimy corporate dong..

jayman wrote:
of course he will say "it will take years" his advice on anything that will make the airport more responsible or accountable is as accurate as a conservative manifesto.

its like listening to the words of a second hand car salesman.

take your advice from a legal professional not a slimy corporate dong..

Do you think the airport will not fight each case, it is their right to, just like it is anyone's right to fight any legal case that they have placed upon them.

Remember when Laura Millard, was granted Legal Aid to attempt to fight the planning approval how many appeals did she go through before giving up.

We all have rights in court and just like Laura Millard/saen the airport has the right to defend itself against any and all legal action, just like I do and just like you do, or in your world do the airport not have that right?

Joe Wildman wrote:

jayman wrote:
of course he will say "it will take years" his advice on anything that will make the airport more responsible or accountable is as accurate as a conservative manifesto.

its like listening to the words of a second hand car salesman.

take your advice from a legal professional not a slimy corporate dong..

Do you think the airport will not fight each case, it is their right to, just like it is anyone's right to fight any legal case that they have placed upon them.

Remember when Laura Millard, was granted Legal Aid to attempt to fight the planning approval how many appeals did she go through before giving up.

We all have rights in court and just like Laura Millard/saen the airport has the right to defend itself against any and all legal action, just like I do and just like you do, or in your world do the airport not have that right?

yes the airport do have rights

but not the right to use what could be considered intimidating language that could influence a due legal process.

the airport operator should be reminded of there place. they are renting a public asset!

Just got back from a stay in Barcelona from Southend airport. Absolutely fantastic. The "slimy corporate dong" has done an absolutely first class job and in my view it's people like him who should be knighted. Stand up Sir Alistair Welch.
I was also woken up by the 06.30 taking off and then the one shortly afterwards. I rolled over and thought how brilliant this is for the town. But you see I was brought up in a house under the flightpath when the Carvairs were flying. My parents said as the TV was flickering and the windows rattling (a good 5 minutes before we saw the plan BTW) that this was a great thing for the town, put us on the map and created jobs.
Nothing has changed in my eyes except that people are now incredibly self centred and cannot see the bigger picture outside their rather sad little lives.

aduksquack wrote:
Six posts and nothing from the pretend pilot? Where are you Max? Still looking for those photos of Italy I asked you for last week?

I believe he is still waiting in for the delivery of an aircraft engine from Germany for an aircraft he no longer owns.

jayman wrote:

Joe Wildman wrote:

jayman wrote:
of course he will say "it will take years" his advice on anything that will make the airport more responsible or accountable is as accurate as a conservative manifesto.

its like listening to the words of a second hand car salesman.

take your advice from a legal professional not a slimy corporate dong..

Do you think the airport will not fight each case, it is their right to, just like it is anyone's right to fight any legal case that they have placed upon them.

Remember when Laura Millard, was granted Legal Aid to attempt to fight the planning approval how many appeals did she go through before giving up.

We all have rights in court and just like Laura Millard/saen the airport has the right to defend itself against any and all legal action, just like I do and just like you do, or in your world do the airport not have that right?

yes the airport do have rights

but not the right to use what could be considered intimidating language that could influence a due legal process.

the airport operator should be reminded of there place. they are renting a public asset!

I don't see any intimidating language, only a statement of fact, It is quite likely to take years to sort out any compensation.

Now this is intimidating language
http://www.saen.org.
uk/tag/jon-fuller/

jayman wrote:- "the airport operator should be reminded of there place. they are renting a public asset!" Is it not interesting that Jayman considers the airport to be a public asset? For something to be an asset it must have a positive value, be that financial or otherwise. Without flying aircraft an airport could only be classified as a liability.

disenfranchisedpast wrote:

jayman wrote:

Joe Wildman wrote:

jayman wrote: of course he will say "it will take years" his advice on anything that will make the airport more responsible or accountable is as accurate as a conservative manifesto. its like listening to the words of a second hand car salesman. take your advice from a legal professional not a slimy corporate dong..

Do you think the airport will not fight each case, it is their right to, just like it is anyone's right to fight any legal case that they have placed upon them. Remember when Laura Millard, was granted Legal Aid to attempt to fight the planning approval how many appeals did she go through before giving up. We all have rights in court and just like Laura Millard/saen the airport has the right to defend itself against any and all legal action, just like I do and just like you do, or in your world do the airport not have that right?

yes the airport do have rights but not the right to use what could be considered intimidating language that could influence a due legal process. the airport operator should be reminded of there place. they are renting a public asset!

I don't see any intimidating language, only a statement of fact, It is quite likely to take years to sort out any compensation. Now this is intimidating language http://www.saen.org. uk/tag/jon-fuller/

I was about to post the same link.

The airport director has not made any statement that would influence the out come of any court case, he is stating that the people who made claims against Manchester Airport had to wait for years for their claim to be processed.

So Jayman what do you think of the comments made in the link provided by disenfranchisedpast at
11:42am on Thursday 4th October 2012, would you agree that these could be discribed as intimidating?

disenfranchisedpast wrote:

jayman wrote:

Joe Wildman wrote:

jayman wrote:
of course he will say "it will take years" his advice on anything that will make the airport more responsible or accountable is as accurate as a conservative manifesto.

its like listening to the words of a second hand car salesman.

take your advice from a legal professional not a slimy corporate dong..

Do you think the airport will not fight each case, it is their right to, just like it is anyone's right to fight any legal case that they have placed upon them.

Remember when Laura Millard, was granted Legal Aid to attempt to fight the planning approval how many appeals did she go through before giving up.

We all have rights in court and just like Laura Millard/saen the airport has the right to defend itself against any and all legal action, just like I do and just like you do, or in your world do the airport not have that right?

yes the airport do have rights

but not the right to use what could be considered intimidating language that could influence a due legal process.

the airport operator should be reminded of there place. they are renting a public asset!

I don't see any intimidating language, only a statement of fact, It is quite likely to take years to sort out any compensation.

Now this is intimidating language
http://www.saen.org.

uk/tag/jon-fuller/

What a shocking piece that is, very hostile aggressive and intimidating.

To (possibly) accuse somebody of mass murder because they supported expanding the airport beggars belief.

One wonders if the originator of the comment has ever flown, if they drive a car and what other fossil fuels they use as these too would contribute to global warming , if you are going to accuse somebody than perhaps you should look at yourself and your present and past actions first, and only then if you can honestly say that for your past actions that have contributed to the greenhouse effect have been repaid by becoming carbon negative and that everything you now do produces zero carbon then and only then could you start preaching about such an issue.
If you drive, smoke, buy imported products, heat your house use electricity or gas then your producing carbon and your preaching about the greenhouse issue will fall on death ears as it is hypocritical to demand changes without changing your own actions first.

Come on, Jayman, we're waiting... or should we just assume that, as you give the impression of being active in SAEN, you agree with Fuller's rantings?

I think the main problem with all of this lies with the fact that our airport has been effectively dormant for about thirty years with only maintenance and light aircraft flights going in and out. While in the mean time all these new people have moved into town in and around the airport and flight paths.some off them incorrectly assuming that the airport was a spent force, or acting in ignorance they did not realise it was even there.
This is were it all sort of falls apart because these people are now moaning about this noise that they can here , which yes I agree the planes do make a noise which is soon gone as they fly overhead.
But if you come onto any of these forum debates about the airport you will see the references to the good old days and about how much slower and louder the old planes were.Well I lived in Leigh during the sixties and can confirm this is true, the noise was more intense because of the props and lasted so much longer because they were basically so slow.Apart of course from the BA111's which were mind blowingly loud !
With this sort of information at hand I cannot really see how most noise related claims can suceed.
As for house values there is no concrete evedence to suggest the values have dropped in and around the airport , they might reflect general national market trends but no local dip in value.

Hear hear on that last comment!