Call for Southend Council to blow the whistle on blue badge abusers (From Southend Standard)
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Call for Southend Council to blow the whistle on blue badge abusers
4:00pm Wednesday 26th September 2012 in News
By Stephen Hackwell
Caught out – a warden issues a ticket
FRAUDSTERS who use disabled parking passes illegally could be snooped on by their fellow motorists.
Chiefs at Southend Council say they are willing to accept “witness statements” from members of the public as part of a crackdown on blue badge misuse.
The statements, which contain key details about incidents, will be processed by the authority and the details passed on to traffic wardens, so they can look out for potential offenders.
The statements could even be used in court to support a fraud prosecution.
Addressing a meeting of the council’s economic and environmental scrutiny committee, Andrew Lewis, corporate director for enterprise, tourism and the environment, said: “If you are witnessing incidents, then the best way to deal with it is to give us a witness statement.
“We can take it up through the parking team and investigate.”
Council chiefs launched a crackdown on blue badge abuse last year. Over the past 12 months, they have issued five warnings and one formal caution to motorists who flout the rules.
However, the council has the power to launch a court prosecution when it can conclusively prove a badge has been abused, with a maximum fine of £1,000 for anyone who is convicted.
Drivers caught using a faked or stolen badge could even face a prison sentence.
In a landmark case earlier this year, the council successfully prosecuted former midwife Sandra Parren for altering the dates on her dead mother’s badge so it could still be used – and then having the cheek to complain when a traffic warden raised suspicions.
Parren was fined £415 and ordered to pay £237 in legal costs.
Mr Lewis said: “I would stress that no one should put themselves in danger by confronting anyone they believe has acted incorrectly.
“It’s also important to say that some disabilities which warrant a blue badge are not immediately obviously.
“However, if the incidents are reported to us, we can investigate them.”
Comments(55)
CALL ME CLINT
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4:42pm Wed 26 Sep 12
firedog
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4:49pm Wed 26 Sep 12
probably less than you save in parking fees.the only solution is to pay to park.
aduksquack
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4:51pm Wed 26 Sep 12
There have already been over 65,000 hate crimes against disabled people recorded, now Southend council's tories want to add to that?
Typical tories, attacking the weakest in society.
http://blogs.indepen
dent.co.uk/2012/08/2
4/65000-hate-crimes-
against-disabled-peo
ple-and-rising-this-
has-to-stop/
Nebs
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5:07pm Wed 26 Sep 12
That did make me laugh. You can run over a police officer on a stolen motorbike and still not go to prison, what chance a judge sending to someone to prison for using a blue badge.
Laurence Ward
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5:22pm Wed 26 Sep 12
Let's have more prosecutions for:-
speeding
jumping red lights
dangerous overtaking, esp. where prohibited (Sutton Road)
tailgating
phoning/texting while driving
all of which are likely to lead to collisions, injury and death.
Also, less dangerous but very inconsiderate, pavement parking.
jaguarxxv
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5:56pm Wed 26 Sep 12
Hilarious!!
E-Types...
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6:17pm Wed 26 Sep 12
Laurence Ward wrote:And of course driving anywhere.
All very laudable, I'm sure, but pretty low down on the list of motoring offences likely to be observed in Southend, in terms of both frequency and danger.
Let's have more prosecutions for:-
speeding
jumping red lights
dangerous overtaking, esp. where prohibited (Sutton Road)
tailgating
phoning/texting while driving
all of which are likely to lead to collisions, injury and death.
Also, less dangerous but very inconsiderate, pavement parking.
aduksquack
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6:31pm Wed 26 Sep 12
The public are not medically trained and have no idea what constitutes a disability, or what qualifies someone for Blue Badge status. So this is wide open for innocent disabled people to be persecuted and abused by the public at the behest of Southend's Tory council.
Not only is it sickening, it is discriminatory on every level.
Remember this next time the local elections come round, and don't vote tory, because they'll persecute and vilify the helpless and weak every chance they get.
Laurence Ward
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7:05pm Wed 26 Sep 12
E-Types... wrote:Well, if you are incapable of driving without breaking the law then perhaps you shouldn't get into a car.
Laurence Ward wrote:And of course driving anywhere.
All very laudable, I'm sure, but pretty low down on the list of motoring offences likely to be observed in Southend, in terms of both frequency and danger.
Let's have more prosecutions for:-
speeding
jumping red lights
dangerous overtaking, esp. where prohibited (Sutton Road)
tailgating
phoning/texting while driving
all of which are likely to lead to collisions, injury and death.
Also, less dangerous but very inconsiderate, pavement parking.
Most of us manage perfectly adequately.
Nebs
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7:27pm Wed 26 Sep 12
aduksquack wrote:Nobody is being asked to persecute disabled people. But if the sole occupant of a car displaying a blue badge gets out and cartwheels down the road then they are taking up a space that could be used by someone who really needs it. It is the able bodied who are abusing the system that need to be persecuted.
Seems to me Southend council are actively encouraging discrimination against the disabled. Instead of asking the public to report any illegal parking they see, Southend Council have asked that the disabled be singled out for special scrutiny.
The public are not medically trained and have no idea what constitutes a disability, or what qualifies someone for Blue Badge status. So this is wide open for innocent disabled people to be persecuted and abused by the public at the behest of Southend's Tory council.
Not only is it sickening, it is discriminatory on every level.
Remember this next time the local elections come round, and don't vote tory, because they'll persecute and vilify the helpless and weak every chance they get.
aduksquack
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7:42pm Wed 26 Sep 12
Nebs wrote:Not all disabilities are visible disabilities.
aduksquack wrote:Nobody is being asked to persecute disabled people. But if the sole occupant of a car displaying a blue badge gets out and cartwheels down the road then they are taking up a space that could be used by someone who really needs it. It is the able bodied who are abusing the system that need to be persecuted.
Seems to me Southend council are actively encouraging discrimination against the disabled. Instead of asking the public to report any illegal parking they see, Southend Council have asked that the disabled be singled out for special scrutiny.
The public are not medically trained and have no idea what constitutes a disability, or what qualifies someone for Blue Badge status. So this is wide open for innocent disabled people to be persecuted and abused by the public at the behest of Southend's Tory council.
Not only is it sickening, it is discriminatory on every level.
Remember this next time the local elections come round, and don't vote tory, because they'll persecute and vilify the helpless and weak every chance they get.
This despicable council are actively encouraging discrimination.
firedog
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8:01pm Wed 26 Sep 12
aduksquack
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8:06pm Wed 26 Sep 12
firedog wrote:That's because this is a political issue. This is a conservative council encouraging discrimination against the disabled.
Quack Quack.seems to be making a political point as usual,try sensible non political posts for a change.
Try making a sensible non-stupid comment for change.
Max Impact
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8:36pm Wed 26 Sep 12
aduksquack wrote:It is NOT a political issue what so ever, it is not encouraging discrimination against the disabled it is cracking down on a criminal offence, if a disabled person is aiding in that offence then they should also face action.
firedog wrote: Quack Quack.seems to be making a political point as usual,try sensible non political posts for a change.That's because this is a political issue. This is a conservative council encouraging discrimination against the disabled. Try making a sensible non-stupid comment for change.
So in your mind are you saying it is OK for a fully able bodied people to borrow or steal blue badges?
Are you saying that there should not be a crack down on this crime?
Why?
aduksquack
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8:53pm Wed 26 Sep 12
Max Impact wrote:Can you look at someone across a car park or street and tell if they are disabled or if they are eligible for a Blue Badge? Can you see if they have joint pain, osteoarthritis, restricted lung capacity, chronic heart disease? Just by looking at them? Because there isn't a doctor on Earth who can do that, and Southend blo0dy council thinks Joe Public will do it?
aduksquack wrote:It is NOT a political issue what so ever, it is not encouraging discrimination against the disabled it is cracking down on a criminal offence, if a disabled person is aiding in that offence then they should also face action.
firedog wrote: Quack Quack.seems to be making a political point as usual,try sensible non political posts for a change.That's because this is a political issue. This is a conservative council encouraging discrimination against the disabled. Try making a sensible non-stupid comment for change.
So in your mind are you saying it is OK for a fully able bodied people to borrow or steal blue badges?
Are you saying that there should not be a crack down on this crime?
Why?
This IS a political issue because it is just an extension of our damnable government's assault on the sick and disabled. All in the name of 'cuts'.
All this disgusting move by Southend's tory council will achieve will be even more abuse and discrimination directed against the disabled by thicko Sun and Mail readers.
I thought Southend council were low, but this latest has truly sickened me.
aduksquack
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9:02pm Wed 26 Sep 12
Nebs
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9:48pm Wed 26 Sep 12
aduksquack wrote:I agree that not all disabilities are visible disabilities. The council are only looking to discriminate against those who should not be using a blue badge, and they are not asking you to challenge anyone but rather to let them know so as they can investigate further. I don't see the problem, apart from nobody is likely to bother making a report.
Nebs wrote:Not all disabilities are visible disabilities.
aduksquack wrote:Nobody is being asked to persecute disabled people. But if the sole occupant of a car displaying a blue badge gets out and cartwheels down the road then they are taking up a space that could be used by someone who really needs it. It is the able bodied who are abusing the system that need to be persecuted.
Seems to me Southend council are actively encouraging discrimination against the disabled. Instead of asking the public to report any illegal parking they see, Southend Council have asked that the disabled be singled out for special scrutiny.
The public are not medically trained and have no idea what constitutes a disability, or what qualifies someone for Blue Badge status. So this is wide open for innocent disabled people to be persecuted and abused by the public at the behest of Southend's Tory council.
Not only is it sickening, it is discriminatory on every level.
Remember this next time the local elections come round, and don't vote tory, because they'll persecute and vilify the helpless and weak every chance they get.
This despicable council are actively encouraging discrimination.
beyond the valley of the asbos
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9:49pm Wed 26 Sep 12
aduksquack
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10:11pm Wed 26 Sep 12
Nebs wrote:Southend council's tories are asking the public to treat all Blue Badge holders with suspicion. Not only is that presumption of guilt, it's discriminatory behaviour. Any disabled person either being challenged or reported will be well within their rights to sue Southend council for discrimination.
aduksquack wrote:I agree that not all disabilities are visible disabilities. The council are only looking to discriminate against those who should not be using a blue badge, and they are not asking you to challenge anyone but rather to let them know so as they can investigate further. I don't see the problem, apart from nobody is likely to bother making a report.
Nebs wrote:Not all disabilities are visible disabilities.
aduksquack wrote:Nobody is being asked to persecute disabled people. But if the sole occupant of a car displaying a blue badge gets out and cartwheels down the road then they are taking up a space that could be used by someone who really needs it. It is the able bodied who are abusing the system that need to be persecuted.
Seems to me Southend council are actively encouraging discrimination against the disabled. Instead of asking the public to report any illegal parking they see, Southend Council have asked that the disabled be singled out for special scrutiny.
The public are not medically trained and have no idea what constitutes a disability, or what qualifies someone for Blue Badge status. So this is wide open for innocent disabled people to be persecuted and abused by the public at the behest of Southend's Tory council.
Not only is it sickening, it is discriminatory on every level.
Remember this next time the local elections come round, and don't vote tory, because they'll persecute and vilify the helpless and weak every chance they get.
This despicable council are actively encouraging discrimination.
E-Types...
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10:30pm Wed 26 Sep 12
Laurence Ward wrote:Does my post suggest that is the case? I suppose you'd like a traffic warden on every corner just in case!
E-Types... wrote:Well, if you are incapable of driving without breaking the law then perhaps you shouldn't get into a car.
Laurence Ward wrote:And of course driving anywhere.
All very laudable, I'm sure, but pretty low down on the list of motoring offences likely to be observed in Southend, in terms of both frequency and danger.
Let's have more prosecutions for:-
speeding
jumping red lights
dangerous overtaking, esp. where prohibited (Sutton Road)
tailgating
phoning/texting while driving
all of which are likely to lead to collisions, injury and death.
Also, less dangerous but very inconsiderate, pavement parking.
Most of us manage perfectly adequately.
E-Types...
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10:33pm Wed 26 Sep 12
Max Impact wrote:Wow! You havent mentioned anything about what you have just eaten, are eating or about to eat!
aduksquack wrote:It is NOT a political issue what so ever, it is not encouraging discrimination against the disabled it is cracking down on a criminal offence, if a disabled person is aiding in that offence then they should also face action.
firedog wrote: Quack Quack.seems to be making a political point as usual,try sensible non political posts for a change.That's because this is a political issue. This is a conservative council encouraging discrimination against the disabled. Try making a sensible non-stupid comment for change.
So in your mind are you saying it is OK for a fully able bodied people to borrow or steal blue badges?
Are you saying that there should not be a crack down on this crime?
Why?
E-Types...
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10:37pm Wed 26 Sep 12
Nebs wrote:So your take on it is... the council are asking people to report their suspicions...going of their own perceptions of who is disabled and who isnt?
aduksquack wrote:I agree that not all disabilities are visible disabilities. The council are only looking to discriminate against those who should not be using a blue badge, and they are not asking you to challenge anyone but rather to let them know so as they can investigate further. I don't see the problem, apart from nobody is likely to bother making a report.
Nebs wrote:Not all disabilities are visible disabilities.
aduksquack wrote:Nobody is being asked to persecute disabled people. But if the sole occupant of a car displaying a blue badge gets out and cartwheels down the road then they are taking up a space that could be used by someone who really needs it. It is the able bodied who are abusing the system that need to be persecuted.
Seems to me Southend council are actively encouraging discrimination against the disabled. Instead of asking the public to report any illegal parking they see, Southend Council have asked that the disabled be singled out for special scrutiny.
The public are not medically trained and have no idea what constitutes a disability, or what qualifies someone for Blue Badge status. So this is wide open for innocent disabled people to be persecuted and abused by the public at the behest of Southend's Tory council.
Not only is it sickening, it is discriminatory on every level.
Remember this next time the local elections come round, and don't vote tory, because they'll persecute and vilify the helpless and weak every chance they get.
This despicable council are actively encouraging discrimination.
Brunning999
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10:57pm Wed 26 Sep 12
Max Impact
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11:14pm Wed 26 Sep 12
aduksquack wrote:So vecause I agree with an action that could cut down on crime that makes me a bad person,
I should add, it's no surprise to see Southend council's spin doctor Max Impact defending this disgusting call. How much blood money are they paying you to support the persecution of the disabled Max?
So I take it if you saw a Premership footballer slap a blue badge in his window and run in to a shop you would not report him?
Tell me do you report any crime you see?
fireblade96
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6:37am Thu 27 Sep 12
aduksquack
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7:53am Thu 27 Sep 12
fireblade96 wrote:This comment demonstrates perfectly why this call from Southend council is so wrong.
i recently see a man pull up on double yellows get out of hes car walk to the back of the car and he got a complete wheel chair out the boot walked with it to the pavement set it up and of he went he looked fine to me the whole system needs reviewing they take the ####
Max Impact
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2:10pm Thu 27 Sep 12
aduksquack wrote:What is your view won those people that borrow them when there is no need for them to do so?
fireblade96 wrote: i recently see a man pull up on double yellows get out of hes car walk to the back of the car and he got a complete wheel chair out the boot walked with it to the pavement set it up and of he went he looked fine to me the whole system needs reviewing they take the ####This comment demonstrates perfectly why this call from Southend council is so wrong.
Do you borrow one?
Nebs
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2:22pm Thu 27 Sep 12
E-Types... wrote:Not only that, but also actual knowledge, for example where you know the family and the blue badge is being used by another family member when the disabled person is not present.
Nebs wrote:So your take on it is... the council are asking people to report their suspicions...going of their own perceptions of who is disabled and who isnt?
aduksquack wrote:I agree that not all disabilities are visible disabilities. The council are only looking to discriminate against those who should not be using a blue badge, and they are not asking you to challenge anyone but rather to let them know so as they can investigate further. I don't see the problem, apart from nobody is likely to bother making a report.
Nebs wrote:Not all disabilities are visible disabilities.
aduksquack wrote:Nobody is being asked to persecute disabled people. But if the sole occupant of a car displaying a blue badge gets out and cartwheels down the road then they are taking up a space that could be used by someone who really needs it. It is the able bodied who are abusing the system that need to be persecuted.
Seems to me Southend council are actively encouraging discrimination against the disabled. Instead of asking the public to report any illegal parking they see, Southend Council have asked that the disabled be singled out for special scrutiny.
The public are not medically trained and have no idea what constitutes a disability, or what qualifies someone for Blue Badge status. So this is wide open for innocent disabled people to be persecuted and abused by the public at the behest of Southend's Tory council.
Not only is it sickening, it is discriminatory on every level.
Remember this next time the local elections come round, and don't vote tory, because they'll persecute and vilify the helpless and weak every chance they get.
This despicable council are actively encouraging discrimination.
You seem to think the council is discriminating against the disabled. I think the council is trying to help the disabled by stopping abuse of the system by people who are not disabled.
aduksquack
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9:06pm Thu 27 Sep 12
Nebs wrote:How do you know the person using the badge is not picking up the owner of the badge? Or if they're returning to their car after dropping off the badge owner somewhere? Badge owners are not always present when a badge is used.
E-Types... wrote:Not only that, but also actual knowledge, for example where you know the family and the blue badge is being used by another family member when the disabled person is not present.
Nebs wrote:So your take on it is... the council are asking people to report their suspicions...going of their own perceptions of who is disabled and who isnt?
aduksquack wrote:I agree that not all disabilities are visible disabilities. The council are only looking to discriminate against those who should not be using a blue badge, and they are not asking you to challenge anyone but rather to let them know so as they can investigate further. I don't see the problem, apart from nobody is likely to bother making a report.
Nebs wrote:Not all disabilities are visible disabilities.
aduksquack wrote:Nobody is being asked to persecute disabled people. But if the sole occupant of a car displaying a blue badge gets out and cartwheels down the road then they are taking up a space that could be used by someone who really needs it. It is the able bodied who are abusing the system that need to be persecuted.
Seems to me Southend council are actively encouraging discrimination against the disabled. Instead of asking the public to report any illegal parking they see, Southend Council have asked that the disabled be singled out for special scrutiny.
The public are not medically trained and have no idea what constitutes a disability, or what qualifies someone for Blue Badge status. So this is wide open for innocent disabled people to be persecuted and abused by the public at the behest of Southend's Tory council.
Not only is it sickening, it is discriminatory on every level.
Remember this next time the local elections come round, and don't vote tory, because they'll persecute and vilify the helpless and weak every chance they get.
This despicable council are actively encouraging discrimination.
You seem to think the council is discriminating against the disabled. I think the council is trying to help the disabled by stopping abuse of the system by people who are not disabled.
All these replies show exactly why it's such a bad idea for Southend council to ask the public to go on a witch-hunt against blue badge holders.
We've already seen open discrimination against the disabled voiced in these comments. Imagine being a disabled person, having the public viewing you with suspicion, council bureaucrats hassling you every day because some small-minded busybody decided to phone your registration to the council because they saw your carer returning to the car, treating you like a criminal even though you've done nothing wrong.
This is an utterly vile thing for Southend council to do and I hope local disabled groups and charities take them to task for it.
aduksquack
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9:10pm Thu 27 Sep 12
Max Impact wrote:Yes, blue badges are very useful when parking bicycles.
aduksquack wrote:What is your view won those people that borrow them when there is no need for them to do so?
fireblade96 wrote: i recently see a man pull up on double yellows get out of hes car walk to the back of the car and he got a complete wheel chair out the boot walked with it to the pavement set it up and of he went he looked fine to me the whole system needs reviewing they take the ####This comment demonstrates perfectly why this call from Southend council is so wrong.
Do you borrow one?
You really must start thinking for yourself Max, seeing you parroting whatever Holdcroft tells you to say all the time is starting to look ridiculous.
Max Impact
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10:58pm Thu 27 Sep 12
1. Is it alright for a perfectly abled bodied person to use a blue badge when not with the blue badge holder?
2. If you saw the above happening would you report them?
Slightly off topic why do you not use the Lefty Cyclist tag anymore?
aduksquack
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7:23am Fri 28 Sep 12
2. No. Because:
A. they could be parking to collect the badge holder.
B. They could be the badge holder.
and C. I am not qualified to determine a disability just by looking at someone.
fletch12107
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8:12am Fri 28 Sep 12
aduksquack wrote:I agree that not all disabilities are visible but if you have one that isn't physical then you dont need a parking badge and if you have a mental one then you probably shouldn't be in charge of a motor vehicle.
Not all disabilities are visible. Encouraging the public to spy on disabled people and report them could lead to more persecution and vilification of the disabled.
There have already been over 65,000 hate crimes against disabled people recorded, now Southend council's tories want to add to that?
Typical tories, attacking the weakest in society.
http://blogs.indepen
dent.co.uk/2012/08/2
4/65000-hate-crimes-
against-disabled-peo
ple-and-rising-this-
has-to-stop/
aduksquack
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8:17am Fri 28 Sep 12
fletch12107 wrote:Can you determine if a person has limited lung capacity, chronic heart disease, osteoarthritis, cancer, visual impairment just by looking at them? If you can that's a talent that will put every X-ray machine in the world on the scrapheap.
aduksquack wrote:I agree that not all disabilities are visible but if you have one that isn't physical then you dont need a parking badge and if you have a mental one then you probably shouldn't be in charge of a motor vehicle.
Not all disabilities are visible. Encouraging the public to spy on disabled people and report them could lead to more persecution and vilification of the disabled.
There have already been over 65,000 hate crimes against disabled people recorded, now Southend council's tories want to add to that?
Typical tories, attacking the weakest in society.
http://blogs.indepen
dent.co.uk/2012/08/2
4/65000-hate-crimes-
against-disabled-peo
ple-and-rising-this-
has-to-stop/
Not all disabilities are visible, and neither are the qualifications for blue badge status.
Max Impact
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8:23am Fri 28 Sep 12
aduksquack wrote:Alright what about this...
1. Yes. Because they could be parking in readiness to collect the badge holder.
2. No. Because:
A. they could be parking to collect the badge holder.
B. They could be the badge holder.
and C. I am not qualified to determine a disability just by looking at someone.
You see somebody you know is NOT disabled, you know that they have no connection to anybody that is disabled they never have done and never will yet they have got hold of a blue badge and use it would you report them?
r6keith
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8:53am Fri 28 Sep 12
Nearly as bad as murder then !
aduksquack
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9:54am Fri 28 Sep 12
Max Impact wrote:That's a straw man argument and you know it. The article is about the motorists seeing people with blue badges and reporting them if they think the badge is being used fraudulently. It says nothing about informing on neighbours.
aduksquack wrote:Alright what about this...
1. Yes. Because they could be parking in readiness to collect the badge holder.
2. No. Because:
A. they could be parking to collect the badge holder.
B. They could be the badge holder.
and C. I am not qualified to determine a disability just by looking at someone.
You see somebody you know is NOT disabled, you know that they have no connection to anybody that is disabled they never have done and never will yet they have got hold of a blue badge and use it would you report them?
So please, stay on topic Max, you'll end up losing your job as Holdcroft's spin doctor.
GentleGiant
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10:21am Fri 28 Sep 12
Fact!
Go ahead folks, report away - you just need the number of the badge which is displayed and then pass that to the issuing authority.
Firestormgjc
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1:12pm Fri 28 Sep 12
aduksquack wrote:Suspecting someone is just that suspecting, its not a presumption of guilt
Nebs wrote:Southend council's tories are asking the public to treat all Blue Badge holders with suspicion. Not only is that presumption of guilt, it's discriminatory behaviour. Any disabled person either being challenged or reported will be well within their rights to sue Southend council for discrimination.aduksquack wrote:I agree that not all disabilities are visible disabilities. The council are only looking to discriminate against those who should not be using a blue badge, and they are not asking you to challenge anyone but rather to let them know so as they can investigate further. I don't see the problem, apart from nobody is likely to bother making a report.Nebs wrote:Not all disabilities are visible disabilities. This despicable council are actively encouraging discrimination.aduksquack wrote: Seems to me Southend council are actively encouraging discrimination against the disabled. Instead of asking the public to report any illegal parking they see, Southend Council have asked that the disabled be singled out for special scrutiny. The public are not medically trained and have no idea what constitutes a disability, or what qualifies someone for Blue Badge status. So this is wide open for innocent disabled people to be persecuted and abused by the public at the behest of Southend's Tory council. Not only is it sickening, it is discriminatory on every level. Remember this next time the local elections come round, and don't vote tory, because they'll persecute and vilify the helpless and weak every chance they get.Nobody is being asked to persecute disabled people. But if the sole occupant of a car displaying a blue badge gets out and cartwheels down the road then they are taking up a space that could be used by someone who really needs it. It is the able bodied who are abusing the system that need to be persecuted.
As for discrimination , the discrimination would have to be against the disabled person, the suspicion is that the disabled person is NOT using the blue badge...
In the case quoted in the article the blue bage had been altered fraudulently, who were the people who were suspicious of her , so much so that they prosecuted, discriminating against, her dead mother ?
Max Impact
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3:20pm Fri 28 Sep 12
aduksquack wrote:Where did a say a neighbour?
Max Impact wrote:That's a straw man argument and you know it. The article is about the motorists seeing people with blue badges and reporting them if they think the badge is being used fraudulently. It says nothing about informing on neighbours. So please, stay on topic Max, you'll end up losing your job as Holdcroft's spin doctor.aduksquack wrote: 1. Yes. Because they could be parking in readiness to collect the badge holder. 2. No. Because: A. they could be parking to collect the badge holder. B. They could be the badge holder. and C. I am not qualified to determine a disability just by looking at someone.Alright what about this... You see somebody you know is NOT disabled, you know that they have no connection to anybody that is disabled they never have done and never will yet they have got hold of a blue badge and use it would you report them?
Why can you not give a direct yes no?
One last try if you knew a blue badge was being used fraudulently would you report it.
As for the spin doctor charge bit hard whilst sitting in an Italin bar with a bottle of wine and a stack of food.
Do you enjoy brown nosing the left?
So why do you not use the lefty cyclist tag now?
aduksquack
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4:27pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Max Impact wrote:No. Because there is no way for me to be 100% certain that fraudulent use is being committed.
aduksquack wrote:Where did a say a neighbour?
Max Impact wrote:That's a straw man argument and you know it. The article is about the motorists seeing people with blue badges and reporting them if they think the badge is being used fraudulently. It says nothing about informing on neighbours. So please, stay on topic Max, you'll end up losing your job as Holdcroft's spin doctor.aduksquack wrote: 1. Yes. Because they could be parking in readiness to collect the badge holder. 2. No. Because: A. they could be parking to collect the badge holder. B. They could be the badge holder. and C. I am not qualified to determine a disability just by looking at someone.Alright what about this... You see somebody you know is NOT disabled, you know that they have no connection to anybody that is disabled they never have done and never will yet they have got hold of a blue badge and use it would you report them?
Why can you not give a direct yes no?
One last try if you knew a blue badge was being used fraudulently would you report it.
As for the spin doctor charge bit hard whilst sitting in an Italin bar with a bottle of wine and a stack of food.
Do you enjoy brown nosing the left?
So why do you not use the lefty cyclist tag now?
As for your Italian fantasy, prove it. Post a photo of the bar. The exif data in the photo will prove it was taken today after I asked you to do so.
Cue improbable waffle from Max as to why he can't post a photo...
aduksquack
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6:24pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Max?
Gone very quiet all of a sudden...
Max Impact
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6:31pm Fri 28 Sep 12
As for posting a photo how when you cant post photos on here.
As for you not give a deffo reply your just a Peter Richard Ian Charlie Kevin.
Your so far up the left wing ring piece your a member of the miners union!
You will not give an answer for one reason and I think I had better stop right there...
aduksquack
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6:52pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Simple.
Anyone can do it.
Of course, I understand why you won't, because you're not in Italy. It's all part of your Walter Mitty world.
Oh, and anyone who has ever flown would know it's Papa Romeo India Charlie Kilo.
“Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive”.
Max Impact
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7:26pm Fri 28 Sep 12
EssexBoy1968
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7:33pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Some years ago, I took my elderly grandmother (now deceased) shopping in Southend with my mother. Due to her heart condition & terminal cancer, my grandmother had a blue badge which clearly displayed her photograph, & I understand that these badges still do that. So, if you see a (seemingly) fit young person bound of a car displaying a blue badge with a photograph of a much oler person on it, it is not unreasonable to believe the badge is being misused.
Personally, I find the idea of people misusing these badges repugnant, but would be very wary of voicing my suspicions based purely on witnessing someone parking their car & walking off.
aduksquack
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8:57pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Max Impact wrote:Both free.
How much are photobucket/flickr never used them and as for the ipaininthearsephone5 it's gone back to the shop as the screen failed and the Galaxy is now the wifes currently got my Nokia 3210! remember them.
iPhone 5 back to the shop? There's the improbable excuse.
Just admit it Max and stop embarrassing yourself. You're not in Italy, you're not a pilot (any pilot worth their salt would not have failed to correctly use the phonetic alphabet), and you never had an iPhone 5.
Max Impact
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11:04pm Fri 28 Sep 12
aduksquack wrote:Not impossible when you drop the thing just don't tell my provider that!
Max Impact wrote:Both free.
How much are photobucket/flickr never used them and as for the ipaininthearsephone5 it's gone back to the shop as the screen failed and the Galaxy is now the wifes currently got my Nokia 3210! remember them.
iPhone 5 back to the shop? There's the improbable excuse.
Just admit it Max and stop embarrassing yourself. You're not in Italy, you're not a pilot (any pilot worth their salt would not have failed to correctly use the phonetic alphabet), and you never had an iPhone 5.
I did not use the phonetics as I did not know if you knew them clearly you do (which is a shock) I'm back in France now on the way home luckly not in the truck but the crew bus, five hairy bummed blokes in a Zafira...
WL R US
aduksquack
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8:51am Sat 29 Sep 12
So:
You're not in a truck anywhere.
You're not a pilot.
You never had an iPhone.
Why do you persist in this fantasy?
HK9597
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10:31am Sat 29 Sep 12
If you are reported and can prove you have a valid blue badge, and need it, you will not be prosecuted. If you are reported again, then you will not be hassled anymore.
It is for your benefit, as there will be more spaces available for those in need.
We all know some people abuse the system and use the badge to park for free. when the blue badge holder is not with them, hasnt just been dropped off and isn't being collected!
norfolkbroad
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10:40am Sat 29 Sep 12
I am severely disabled and rely completely on my car and badge. My husband often has to park up and then go and collect me in my wheelchair. Under the Council's initiative, this would be just the sort of case we are talking about. And I would presumably have to prove his 'innocence' to some Council snooper every time some 'good citizen' decides to moan...
The fact is the Council IS discriminating with this and Dukquack is absolutely right - this is definitely a Political issue: the Council have no idea what they can do about disabled badge fraud (unfortunately) so they've come up with this nonsense.
If people REALLY care, they can stop parking in disabled bays WITHOUT badges! Wheelchair users need the wide bays for access to the car doors and if healthy people stopped abusing them maybe we wouldn't have to park on double yellows - with the subsequent bad image that portrays to people who appear to be totally ignorant about disability. If the Council enforced this it would make a big difference...
v.randy
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10:57am Sat 29 Sep 12
ng,blue badges etc.
Because we now live in a caring society where we all have loads of human rights.If you give money and goodies away and don't ask for anything in exchange you get abuse.
70 years ago (no benefits) everybody rolled their sleeves up and got on with it.
30 years ago their was work ,cheap houses and cheap parking thus abuse is less rewarding.
Our generousity has gone too far..if an illegal muslim with a hook can get £1million of free legal aid,a home and benefits for his family whilst preaching his hatred of us the british and wanting us all dead then blue badge abuse is put into perspective.
Truth Will Prevail
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2:17pm Sat 29 Sep 12
bigdog007
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12:03pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Eric Whim says...
4:36pm Wed 26 Sep 12
Could have someone's ear out with that!