Train fares set to rise by 6.2 per cent (From Southend Standard)

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:
Re-nationalise the railways. Privatisation has clearly failed to deliver the promise of a cheaper more efficient service.

Nebs wrote:
All public transport should be free at the point of use, paid for out of general taxation.

AndyBSG wrote:
Most expensive rail fares in Europe yet we have one of the worst rail networks... All privatisation has achieved is to allow a handful of people to get rich while our transport network declines.

That works out at about 250 quid a year increase for me at a time when i'm likely to be facing a pay freeze due to the credit crunch

SUFC1906 wrote:
Only got yourselves to blame as far as South East Essex area is concerned. Voting for a swathe of Tory MP's in safe seats produces this kind of outcome. Remember, the MP's don't need to pay these fares so they won't do anything to force changes. Whilst Labour are no better, until the MP's are made to fear losing their subsidised expenses led lifestyle in a future election nothing is going to change. Reward for the few at the expense of the many is the current & perhaps previous Government's motto. These sort of policies are meant to get unemployed back into work? Hardly worth the effort now.

alimac69 wrote:
At this rate I won't be able to afford to work in London then won't be able to afford to live in Southend as my London salary pays my mortgage.

jolllyboy wrote:
Outrageous. We pay the most in all of Europe.
It is known that it is EU regulations which dictate that rail travel must fully pay for itself by x year. But this is extortion and will put many out of being able to afford to go to work !

asbo uncut wrote:

alimac69 wrote: At this rate I won't be able to afford to work in London then won't be able to afford to live in Southend as my London salary pays my mortgage.

try giving up the venti lattes

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

alimac69 wrote: At this rate I won't be able to afford to work in London then won't be able to afford to live in Southend as my London salary pays my mortgage.

try giving up the venti lattes

Wouldn't make a difference, I claim those back through expenses.

asbo uncut wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

alimac69 wrote: At this rate I won't be able to afford to work in London then won't be able to afford to live in Southend as my London salary pays my mortgage.

try giving up the venti lattes

Wouldn't make a difference, I claim those back through expenses.

and there it is. we, the taxpayer bail you out, pick up your starbucks tab and then we ramp your travel costs. maybe there is a sort of justice in this world

asbo uncut wrote:

AndyBSG wrote:
Most expensive rail fares in Europe yet we have one of the worst rail networks... All privatisation has achieved is to allow a handful of people to get rich while our transport network declines.

That works out at about 250 quid a year increase for me at a time when i'm likely to be facing a pay freeze due to the credit crunch

c2c run an excellent service. £250?...my heart bleeds. what is that all of a quid a day to get to your overpaid job in london.

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

alimac69 wrote: At this rate I won't be able to afford to work in London then won't be able to afford to live in Southend as my London salary pays my mortgage.

try giving up the venti lattes

Wouldn't make a difference, I claim those back through expenses.

and there it is. we, the taxpayer bail you out, pick up your starbucks tab and then we ramp your travel costs. maybe there is a sort of justice in this world

You're wrong, no bail out for my bank - our customers pick up the bill for my coffee.

chrissiem wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

AndyBSG wrote:
Most expensive rail fares in Europe yet we have one of the worst rail networks... All privatisation has achieved is to allow a handful of people to get rich while our transport network declines.

That works out at about 250 quid a year increase for me at a time when i'm likely to be facing a pay freeze due to the credit crunch

c2c run an excellent service. £250?...my heart bleeds. what is that all of a quid a day to get to your overpaid job in london.

Maybe asbo uncut would be happy to have £250 a year cut from his benefits? My husband works in the City (and he isn't a fatcat banker), gets the first train out in the morning (4.30) and doesn't get home until 7.30 pm. Not for a fantastic wage. Paying out an extra £250 a year will hit us.

asbo uncut wrote:

chrissiem wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

AndyBSG wrote:
Most expensive rail fares in Europe yet we have one of the worst rail networks... All privatisation has achieved is to allow a handful of people to get rich while our transport network declines.

That works out at about 250 quid a year increase for me at a time when i'm likely to be facing a pay freeze due to the credit crunch

c2c run an excellent service. £250?...my heart bleeds. what is that all of a quid a day to get to your overpaid job in london.

Maybe asbo uncut would be happy to have £250 a year cut from his benefits? My husband works in the City (and he isn't a fatcat banker), gets the first train out in the morning (4.30) and doesn't get home until 7.30 pm. Not for a fantastic wage. Paying out an extra £250 a year will hit us.

try giving up the sky subscription?

asbo uncut wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

alimac69 wrote: At this rate I won't be able to afford to work in London then won't be able to afford to live in Southend as my London salary pays my mortgage.

try giving up the venti lattes

Wouldn't make a difference, I claim those back through expenses.

and there it is. we, the taxpayer bail you out, pick up your starbucks tab and then we ramp your travel costs. maybe there is a sort of justice in this world

You're wrong, no bail out for my bank - our customers pick up the bill for my coffee.

all banks were bailed out by default unless your bank would have shouldered all that systemic risk arising from the bailed out banks going belly up. presumably your bank has as much access to free money from the central banks as all the "bailed out" banks too (note no question mark as a statement of fact)

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

alimac69 wrote: At this rate I won't be able to afford to work in London then won't be able to afford to live in Southend as my London salary pays my mortgage.

try giving up the venti lattes

Wouldn't make a difference, I claim those back through expenses.

and there it is. we, the taxpayer bail you out, pick up your starbucks tab and then we ramp your travel costs. maybe there is a sort of justice in this world

You're wrong, no bail out for my bank - our customers pick up the bill for my coffee.

all banks were bailed out by default unless your bank would have shouldered all that systemic risk arising from the bailed out banks going belly up. presumably your bank has as much access to free money from the central banks as all the "bailed out" banks too (note no question mark as a statement of fact)

No, we made sufficient provisions and in any case, we would be covered by our head office which isn't in the UK.

asbo uncut wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

alimac69 wrote: At this rate I won't be able to afford to work in London then won't be able to afford to live in Southend as my London salary pays my mortgage.

try giving up the venti lattes

Wouldn't make a difference, I claim those back through expenses.

and there it is. we, the taxpayer bail you out, pick up your starbucks tab and then we ramp your travel costs. maybe there is a sort of justice in this world

You're wrong, no bail out for my bank - our customers pick up the bill for my coffee.

all banks were bailed out by default unless your bank would have shouldered all that systemic risk arising from the bailed out banks going belly up. presumably your bank has as much access to free money from the central banks as all the "bailed out" banks too (note no question mark as a statement of fact)

No, we made sufficient provisions and in any case, we would be covered by our head office which isn't in the UK.

but i thought it was a global banking crisis...? gordon brown and the shoebury clown said so.

asbo uncut wrote:
where's your head office..madrid?

asbo uncut wrote:

Nebs wrote:
All public transport should be free at the point of use, paid for out of general taxation.

yeah...all those highly paid, bailed out bankers should really get a free commute to their megabucks jobs.

asbo uncut wrote:
is there a country on the planet that hasn't bailed out its banks..maybe burundi?

asbo uncut wrote:

Nebs wrote: All public transport should be free at the point of use, paid for out of general taxation.

yeah...all those highly paid, bailed out bankers should really get a free commute to their megabucks jobs.

Nebs wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Nebs wrote:
All public transport should be free at the point of use, paid for out of general taxation.

yeah...all those highly paid, bailed out bankers should really get a free commute to their megabucks jobs.

Yes. Let them. They will be paying more extra tax than the fares they save, while the cleaners and tealadys will be paying less.

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:
is there a country on the planet that hasn't bailed out its banks..maybe burundi?

I don't know the answer to that one - I don't think the Chinese were bailed out. Although even if all governments had bailed out their banks, not all banks have been bailed out by the government.

EssexBoy1968 wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Nebs wrote: All public transport should be free at the point of use, paid for out of general taxation.

yeah...all those highly paid, bailed out bankers should really get a free commute to their megabucks jobs.

I think you'll find that the "highly paid, bailed out bankers" with their "megabucks jobs" don't commute by train on a daily basis. Most stay in London during the week & travel home at weekends, or have their drivers take them to & from work. There are certainly no "fatcats" on the train leaving Westcliff at 4.30am........

asbo uncut wrote:

Nebs wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Nebs wrote:
All public transport should be free at the point of use, paid for out of general taxation.

yeah...all those highly paid, bailed out bankers should really get a free commute to their megabucks jobs.

Yes. Let them. They will be paying more extra tax than the fares they save, while the cleaners and tealadys will be paying less.

ok your taxes are going up by 10p in the pound. swallow it... i won't.

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Nebs wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Nebs wrote:
All public transport should be free at the point of use, paid for out of general taxation.

yeah...all those highly paid, bailed out bankers should really get a free commute to their megabucks jobs.

Yes. Let them. They will be paying more extra tax than the fares they save, while the cleaners and tealadys will be paying less.

ok your taxes are going up by 10p in the pound. swallow it... i won't.

You don't pay tax. You spend all day every day on this website.

chrissiem wrote:
Thanks for the tip about cancelling Sky subscription - trouble is we don't pay a Sky subscription! and no, my husband isn't the teaboy.

A Dermot wrote:
Move nearer to London - I hear Tilbury is a very cheap place to live.

asbo uncut wrote:

Nebs wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Nebs wrote:
All public transport should be free at the point of use, paid for out of general taxation.

yeah...all those highly paid, bailed out bankers should really get a free commute to their megabucks jobs.

Yes. Let them. They will be paying more extra tax than the fares they save, while the cleaners and tealadys will be paying less.

ok your taxes are going up by 10p in the pound. swallow it... i won't.

Nebs wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Nebs wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Nebs wrote:
All public transport should be free at the point of use, paid for out of general taxation.

yeah...all those highly paid, bailed out bankers should really get a free commute to their megabucks jobs.

Yes. Let them. They will be paying more extra tax than the fares they save, while the cleaners and tealadys will be paying less.

ok your taxes are going up by 10p in the pound. swallow it... i won't.

I wasn't aware it would cost everybody 10p in the pound. That does seem a tad high. The savings would come from less congestion, less accidents, less wear and tear on the roads, and higher revenue from advertising. Tourism would get a boost as visitors would not have to pay fares giving them a cheaper holiday. Unemployment would fall as you'd need more drivers and mechanics than you'd save from fare collectors. Those who want to continue using their car will benefit from less traffic. Bus journeys would be quicker as drivers wouldn't have to collect fares. It's not such a bad idea.

asbo uncut wrote:

Nebs wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Nebs wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Nebs wrote:
All public transport should be free at the point of use, paid for out of general taxation.

yeah...all those highly paid, bailed out bankers should really get a free commute to their megabucks jobs.

Yes. Let them. They will be paying more extra tax than the fares they save, while the cleaners and tealadys will be paying less.

ok your taxes are going up by 10p in the pound. swallow it... i won't.

I wasn't aware it would cost everybody 10p in the pound. That does seem a tad high. The savings would come from less congestion, less accidents, less wear and tear on the roads, and higher revenue from advertising. Tourism would get a boost as visitors would not have to pay fares giving them a cheaper holiday. Unemployment would fall as you'd need more drivers and mechanics than you'd save from fare collectors. Those who want to continue using their car will benefit from less traffic. Bus journeys would be quicker as drivers wouldn't have to collect fares. It's not such a bad idea.

so go with me on this one. i'm the teaboy for a bailed out bank in london and i want to commute from glasgow to london to make the builders brew for a few fat-cats. is that a good use of your taxpayer funds? i'm afraid ultimately you have to let the market set the price of travel costs.

asbo uncut wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote: is there a country on the planet that hasn't bailed out its banks..maybe burundi?

I don't know the answer to that one - I don't think the Chinese were bailed out. Although even if all governments had bailed out their banks, not all banks have been bailed out by the government.

yes the chinese banks are insolvent, shoebury clown take note. noted that you didn't divulge the whereabouts of you head office.

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote: is there a country on the planet that hasn't bailed out its banks..maybe burundi?

I don't know the answer to that one - I don't think the Chinese were bailed out. Although even if all governments had bailed out their banks, not all banks have been bailed out by the government.

yes the chinese banks are insolvent, shoebury clown take note. noted that you didn't divulge the whereabouts of you head office.

I won't disclose the whereabouts of my head office as it would greatly narrow down who I work for! I thought the Chinese economy was growing too quickly and they had bought a large percentage of the US debt. Although I did see on television a few months ago that the rich/poor divide was getting greater - some people live in terrible slums there. I have to ask, who is the Shoebury Clown?

The Real Haze wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote: is there a country on the planet that hasn't bailed out its banks..maybe burundi?

I don't know the answer to that one - I don't think the Chinese were bailed out. Although even if all governments had bailed out their banks, not all banks have been bailed out by the government.

yes the chinese banks are insolvent, shoebury clown take note. noted that you didn't divulge the whereabouts of you head office.

I won't disclose the whereabouts of my head office as it would greatly narrow down who I work for! I thought the Chinese economy was growing too quickly and they had bought a large percentage of the US debt. Although I did see on television a few months ago that the rich/poor divide was getting greater - some people live in terrible slums there. I have to ask, who is the Shoebury Clown?

Is it Chad?

Blind Haze wrote:

The Real Haze wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote: is there a country on the planet that hasn't bailed out its banks..maybe burundi?

I don't know the answer to that one - I don't think the Chinese were bailed out. Although even if all governments had bailed out their banks, not all banks have been bailed out by the government.

yes the chinese banks are insolvent, shoebury clown take note. noted that you didn't divulge the whereabouts of you head office.

I won't disclose the whereabouts of my head office as it would greatly narrow down who I work for! I thought the Chinese economy was growing too quickly and they had bought a large percentage of the US debt. Although I did see on television a few months ago that the rich/poor divide was getting greater - some people live in terrible slums there. I have to ask, who is the Shoebury Clown?

Is it Chad?

Odd guess but no. Although even if it were I wouldn't confirm it.

Nebs wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Nebs wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Nebs wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Nebs wrote:
All public transport should be free at the point of use, paid for out of general taxation.

yeah...all those highly paid, bailed out bankers should really get a free commute to their megabucks jobs.

Yes. Let them. They will be paying more extra tax than the fares they save, while the cleaners and tealadys will be paying less.

ok your taxes are going up by 10p in the pound. swallow it... i won't.

I wasn't aware it would cost everybody 10p in the pound. That does seem a tad high. The savings would come from less congestion, less accidents, less wear and tear on the roads, and higher revenue from advertising. Tourism would get a boost as visitors would not have to pay fares giving them a cheaper holiday. Unemployment would fall as you'd need more drivers and mechanics than you'd save from fare collectors. Those who want to continue using their car will benefit from less traffic. Bus journeys would be quicker as drivers wouldn't have to collect fares. It's not such a bad idea.

so go with me on this one. i'm the teaboy for a bailed out bank in london and i want to commute from glasgow to london to make the builders brew for a few fat-cats. is that a good use of your taxpayer funds? i'm afraid ultimately you have to let the market set the price of travel costs.

First you say it will cost 10p on income tax. Then you give an example of a commuter from Glasgow to London. I accept that you don't like the idea, but at least be realistic with your criticism.

The Real Haze wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

The Real Haze wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote: is there a country on the planet that hasn't bailed out its banks..maybe burundi?

I don't know the answer to that one - I don't think the Chinese were bailed out. Although even if all governments had bailed out their banks, not all banks have been bailed out by the government.

yes the chinese banks are insolvent, shoebury clown take note. noted that you didn't divulge the whereabouts of you head office.

I won't disclose the whereabouts of my head office as it would greatly narrow down who I work for! I thought the Chinese economy was growing too quickly and they had bought a large percentage of the US debt. Although I did see on television a few months ago that the rich/poor divide was getting greater - some people live in terrible slums there. I have to ask, who is the Shoebury Clown?

Is it Chad?

Odd guess but no. Although even if it were I wouldn't confirm it.

Must be Standard Chartered then. They'd never misbehave!

The Real Haze wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote: is there a country on the planet that hasn't bailed out its banks..maybe burundi?

I don't know the answer to that one - I don't think the Chinese were bailed out. Although even if all governments had bailed out their banks, not all banks have been bailed out by the government.

yes the chinese banks are insolvent, shoebury clown take note. noted that you didn't divulge the whereabouts of you head office.

I won't disclose the whereabouts of my head office as it would greatly narrow down who I work for! I thought the Chinese economy was growing too quickly and they had bought a large percentage of the US debt. Although I did see on television a few months ago that the rich/poor divide was getting greater - some people live in terrible slums there. I have to ask, who is the Shoebury Clown?

Is it Chad?

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote: is there a country on the planet that hasn't bailed out its banks..maybe burundi?

I don't know the answer to that one - I don't think the Chinese were bailed out. Although even if all governments had bailed out their banks, not all banks have been bailed out by the government.

yes the chinese banks are insolvent, shoebury clown take note. noted that you didn't divulge the whereabouts of you head office.

I won't disclose the whereabouts of my head office as it would greatly narrow down who I work for!

I thought the Chinese economy was growing too quickly and they had bought a large percentage of the US debt. Although I did see on television a few months ago that the rich/poor divide was getting greater - some people live in terrible slums there.

I have to ask, who is the Shoebury Clown?

The Genuine Haze wrote:

The Real Haze wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote: is there a country on the planet that hasn't bailed out its banks..maybe burundi?

I don't know the answer to that one - I don't think the Chinese were bailed out. Although even if all governments had bailed out their banks, not all banks have been bailed out by the government.

yes the chinese banks are insolvent, shoebury clown take note. noted that you didn't divulge the whereabouts of you head office.

I won't disclose the whereabouts of my head office as it would greatly narrow down who I work for! I thought the Chinese economy was growing too quickly and they had bought a large percentage of the US debt. Although I did see on television a few months ago that the rich/poor divide was getting greater - some people live in terrible slums there. I have to ask, who is the Shoebury Clown?

Is it Chad?

LOL more **** from the sewer dweling **** evrytime you open your mouth more **** comes out to make us all laugh at you. why dont you just **** off back to the **** sewer where you and your family live you only post when the libarys open coz you dont own a computer your too **** poor wot a **** **** you are LOL

The Real Haze wrote:

The Genuine Haze wrote:

The Real Haze wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote: is there a country on the planet that hasn't bailed out its banks..maybe burundi?

I don't know the answer to that one - I don't think the Chinese were bailed out. Although even if all governments had bailed out their banks, not all banks have been bailed out by the government.

yes the chinese banks are insolvent, shoebury clown take note. noted that you didn't divulge the whereabouts of you head office.

I won't disclose the whereabouts of my head office as it would greatly narrow down who I work for! I thought the Chinese economy was growing too quickly and they had bought a large percentage of the US debt. Although I did see on television a few months ago that the rich/poor divide was getting greater - some people live in terrible slums there. I have to ask, who is the Shoebury Clown?

Is it Chad?

LOL more **** from the sewer dweling **** evrytime you open your mouth more **** comes out to make us all laugh at you. why dont you just **** off back to the **** sewer where you and your family live you only post when the libarys open coz you dont own a computer your too **** poor wot a **** **** you are LOL

Ah, my illiterate, potty mouthed friend has joined the debate! I am fully aware of cut backs in education budgets over successive governments but am startled at the impact that this has had on society.

The Genuine Haze wrote:

The Real Haze wrote:

The Genuine Haze wrote:

The Real Haze wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote: is there a country on the planet that hasn't bailed out its banks..maybe burundi?

I don't know the answer to that one - I don't think the Chinese were bailed out. Although even if all governments had bailed out their banks, not all banks have been bailed out by the government.

yes the chinese banks are insolvent, shoebury clown take note. noted that you didn't divulge the whereabouts of you head office.

I won't disclose the whereabouts of my head office as it would greatly narrow down who I work for! I thought the Chinese economy was growing too quickly and they had bought a large percentage of the US debt. Although I did see on television a few months ago that the rich/poor divide was getting greater - some people live in terrible slums there. I have to ask, who is the Shoebury Clown?

Is it Chad?

LOL more **** from the sewer dweling **** evrytime you open your mouth more **** comes out to make us all laugh at you. why dont you just **** off back to the **** sewer where you and your family live you only post when the libarys open coz you dont own a computer your too **** poor wot a **** **** you are LOL

Ah, my illiterate, potty mouthed friend has joined the debate! I am fully aware of cut backs in education budgets over successive governments but am startled at the impact that this has had on society.

your soceity is with your family and rat friends in the sewer LOL you dont know what a potty is coz you just **** on the floor where you live. its a shame your parents didnt use one of the used condoms that float past then we wouldnt have too put up with the **** **** that you put on this website LOL your a **** and we all know it

The Real Haze wrote:

The Genuine Haze wrote:

The Real Haze wrote:

The Genuine Haze wrote:

The Real Haze wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:

asbo uncut wrote: is there a country on the planet that hasn't bailed out its banks..maybe burundi?

I don't know the answer to that one - I don't think the Chinese were bailed out. Although even if all governments had bailed out their banks, not all banks have been bailed out by the government.

yes the chinese banks are insolvent, shoebury clown take note. noted that you didn't divulge the whereabouts of you head office.

I won't disclose the whereabouts of my head office as it would greatly narrow down who I work for! I thought the Chinese economy was growing too quickly and they had bought a large percentage of the US debt. Although I did see on television a few months ago that the rich/poor divide was getting greater - some people live in terrible slums there. I have to ask, who is the Shoebury Clown?

Is it Chad?

LOL more **** from the sewer dweling **** evrytime you open your mouth more **** comes out to make us all laugh at you. why dont you just **** off back to the **** sewer where you and your family live you only post when the libarys open coz you dont own a computer your too **** poor wot a **** **** you are LOL

Ah, my illiterate, potty mouthed friend has joined the debate! I am fully aware of cut backs in education budgets over successive governments but am startled at the impact that this has had on society.

your soceity is with your family and rat friends in the sewer LOL you dont know what a potty is coz you just **** on the floor where you live. its a shame your parents didnt use one of the used condoms that float past then we wouldnt have too put up with the **** **** that you put on this website LOL your a **** and we all know it

Dear chap! You keep slapping your face into the keyboard and the law of averages states that you'll surely post a comprehensible and intelligible comment soon. Never give up! That's the Olympic spirit.

asbo uncut wrote:

AndyBSG wrote:
Most expensive rail fares in Europe yet we have one of the worst rail networks... All privatisation has achieved is to allow a handful of people to get rich while our transport network declines.

That works out at about 250 quid a year increase for me at a time when i'm likely to be facing a pay freeze due to the credit crunch

c2c run an excellent service. £250?...my heart bleeds. what is that all of a quid a day to get to your overpaid job in london.

AndyBSG wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

AndyBSG wrote:
Most expensive rail fares in Europe yet we have one of the worst rail networks... All privatisation has achieved is to allow a handful of people to get rich while our transport network declines.

That works out at about 250 quid a year increase for me at a time when i'm likely to be facing a pay freeze due to the credit crunch

c2c run an excellent service. £250?...my heart bleeds. what is that all of a quid a day to get to your overpaid job in london.

Is it just ignorance or jealousy that prompted that comment?

The average London wage is just over 27,000... Which is only 2,000 a year more than the national average, which is less than the cost of an annual season ticket.

All you've successfully proven with your comment is how naive you are and how you unquestioningly swallow the tripe the media feeds you about how anyone working in London is overpaid.

The simple fact is that London is no different to the rest of the country in that 90% of the wages there are invariably paid to just a small percentage of the actual fat cats and everyone ealse is payed much more modest wages where £250 a year is a big amount.

asbo uncut wrote:

AndyBSG wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

AndyBSG wrote:
Most expensive rail fares in Europe yet we have one of the worst rail networks... All privatisation has achieved is to allow a handful of people to get rich while our transport network declines.

That works out at about 250 quid a year increase for me at a time when i'm likely to be facing a pay freeze due to the credit crunch

c2c run an excellent service. £250?...my heart bleeds. what is that all of a quid a day to get to your overpaid job in london.

Is it just ignorance or jealousy that prompted that comment?

The average London wage is just over 27,000... Which is only 2,000 a year more than the national average, which is less than the cost of an annual season ticket.

All you've successfully proven with your comment is how naive you are and how you unquestioningly swallow the tripe the media feeds you about how anyone working in London is overpaid.

The simple fact is that London is no different to the rest of the country in that 90% of the wages there are invariably paid to just a small percentage of the actual fat cats and everyone ealse is payed much more modest wages where £250 a year is a big amount.

so you earn 27k a year? laughably in your calcs you assume that no-one who works outside of london has travel costs. i worked in london for many years and came to my own judgement re overpaid statement i'm afraid.

AndyBSG wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

AndyBSG wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

AndyBSG wrote:
Most expensive rail fares in Europe yet we have one of the worst rail networks... All privatisation has achieved is to allow a handful of people to get rich while our transport network declines.

That works out at about 250 quid a year increase for me at a time when i'm likely to be facing a pay freeze due to the credit crunch

c2c run an excellent service. £250?...my heart bleeds. what is that all of a quid a day to get to your overpaid job in london.

Is it just ignorance or jealousy that prompted that comment?

The average London wage is just over 27,000... Which is only 2,000 a year more than the national average, which is less than the cost of an annual season ticket.

All you've successfully proven with your comment is how naive you are and how you unquestioningly swallow the tripe the media feeds you about how anyone working in London is overpaid.

The simple fact is that London is no different to the rest of the country in that 90% of the wages there are invariably paid to just a small percentage of the actual fat cats and everyone ealse is payed much more modest wages where £250 a year is a big amount.

so you earn 27k a year? laughably in your calcs you assume that no-one who works outside of london has travel costs. i worked in london for many years and came to my own judgement re overpaid statement i'm afraid.

You do understand that when it says 27K is the average wage it doesn't mean everyone earns that and that there will be plenty of people earning much just as there will be a small number of people earning considerably much more...

As for the travel costs, yes, everyone does have them but an annual train ticket from Benfleet to Basildon is considerably cheaper than one from Benfleet to Waterloo... In fact the difference in price is more than the difference in average wage.

When you factor in the fact that everything in London costs more as well(I spend a fortune on lunch here compared to when I was working back in Essex), this whole idea that everyone working in London is considerably richer than those working outside of London is a myth.

When you look at the extra time spent commuting, extra expense of commuting and things like buying lunch the £2,000 difference in average wage is soon swallowed up.

I have worked in the City for 12 of my 20 years and during the 5 jobs i've had in that 20 years the two best paid ones were the two that were not based in London and were actually based in Scotland and Worthing.

The simple fact is that most of the people I have worked with during my 12 years up the City are not paid excessively more than they would earn if they were doing the same job elsewhere and despite your own judgment on the matter, the actual figures for the national average wage in comparison to the average London wage show that to be the case.

AndyBSG wrote:
"sounds like you just want to have something to moan about. fenchurch street to waterloo...what is that a leisurely 30 minute walk"

And yet again you once more show your ignorance and false assumptions.

Fenchurch Street and Waterloo are both zone 1 so to actually get into Fenchurch Street in the first place will cost the same amount as to get to Waterloo.

There's an old saying that says "Better to stay quiet and let people assume you're an idiot than to open your mouth and confirm it"

Yes, the average wage for London does include part time and unskilled workers... Just as the National average wage does...

Your idiocy really is astounding!

jayman wrote:
in summery then... everyone is getting screwed over regardless of what end of the pay scale your on. i just got back from my father-in-laws for a weeks break, he lives in Hampshire. it cost me and my family £60 on the train! i shudder to think what it will cost in a few years time.

its all very well the government saying that their is an element of inflation behind the rise, yet I like many others have not received an inflationary pay rise for at least the last two years.. screwed over once....screwed over twice.

jayman wrote:
in summery then... everyone is getting screwed over regardless of what end of the pay scale your on. i just got back from my father-in-laws for a weeks break, he lives in Hampshire. it cost me and my family £60 on the train! i shudder to think what it will cost in a few years time.

its all very well the government saying that their is an element of inflation behind the rise, yet I like many others have not received an inflationary pay rise for at least the last two years.. screwed over once....screwed over twice.

sav25 wrote:
Just because you work in London, does not mean you are a) paid well or b) overpaid. Sometime, it's just the only place to get a job, or the only place that was offering a job when you needed one...and couldn't wait around for something local. I sense jealousy here. Don't be jealous, it's just another job. If you feel like we're overpaid, why not join us if it's so good...oh yes that's right...you messed up at school, we're too cool/dumb for college and decided to work local. Poor you...

sav25 wrote:
Just because you work in London, does not mean you are a) paid well or b) overpaid. Sometime, it's just the only place to get a job, or the only place that was offering a job when you needed one...and couldn't wait around for something local. I sense jealousy here. Don't be jealous, it's just another job. If you feel like we're overpaid, why not join us if it's so good...oh yes that's right...you messed up at school, we're too cool/dumb for college and decided to work local. Poor you...

asbo uncut wrote:

sav25 wrote:
Just because you work in London, does not mean you are a) paid well or b) overpaid. Sometime, it's just the only place to get a job, or the only place that was offering a job when you needed one...and couldn't wait around for something local. I sense jealousy here. Don't be jealous, it's just another job. If you feel like we're overpaid, why not join us if it's so good...oh yes that's right...you messed up at school, we're too cool/dumb for college and decided to work local. Poor you...

bit self deluded i think. actually make that you have zero clue. i do however find it hilarious that a load of self-important bank slaves are going to be forced to swallow a large fare increase.

AndyBSG wrote:

asbo uncut wrote:

sav25 wrote:
Just because you work in London, does not mean you are a) paid well or b) overpaid. Sometime, it's just the only place to get a job, or the only place that was offering a job when you needed one...and couldn't wait around for something local. I sense jealousy here. Don't be jealous, it's just another job. If you feel like we're overpaid, why not join us if it's so good...oh yes that's right...you messed up at school, we're too cool/dumb for college and decided to work local. Poor you...

bit self deluded i think. actually make that you have zero clue. i do however find it hilarious that a load of self-important bank slaves are going to be forced to swallow a large fare increase.

The sheer bile and bitterness from you is frankly amusing.

So much so that I suspect you are one of those who Sav suggests messed up at school and has a low paid and completely unfulfilling job, hence the bitterness at those of us who have worked hard enough during our lives to achieve well paid jobs.