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    dodgie1 wrote:
    Mildrew 84 You just go to prove what I have said about knowing the facts. 'So why didn't you go to help her' you said , trying to make me out as an unhelpful person. Well the reason is I wasn't there at the time. Some of you seem to accept that every ticket issued is a rightful one with no fault on the side of the car operators. Why don't you join the real world where you will witness many wrongful things carried out by our Government and Councils. Many tickets issued by the cars are WRONG. That is why the appeal numbers in towns where they use these cars, have shot up. THEY ARE INDISCRIMINATE IN THEIR USE!! They were introduced to sort out dangerous parking and most people would not have a problem with that. The majority of tickets however, are not for dangerous parking. There is something else I would like to bring in to this forum. On the pcn, there is the indication that the lower amount to pay by a certain time before it doubles, is not allowed should the recipient appeal. This is totally misleading and not true. You are still allowed to pay the lower amount if you appeal and lose, provided the lower amount is paid within the designated time after the result of the appeal. The pcn fails to inform of this fact resulting in many people not appealing because of fear of losing the lower price.
    I received a parking ticket 2 years ago for parking in a residents bay instead of a public bay, i was unaware that the bay was for residents as it was not clearly marked. The warden was as indiscriminate as a spy car as he/she could have clearly seen the bay was not makred correctly. I contacted westminster council and highlighted my concerns and also sent them a copy of the ticket i had purchased and explained i had parked there as my disabled child had an appointment in the hospital which has no parking of its own and the spot i chose did not have residents markings, they were reasonable and compassionate enough to believe my genuine mistake and quashed the ticket. The point being in my experience if the ticket is genuinely wrongly given the local council will cooperate, the trouble is, everybody who gets a ticket thinks they have received it wrongly.... most of them time, they are given quite rightly, hence the reason not many people bother to appeal because deep down they know they have done wrong, so instead they portray themselves as having been victimised for "stopping for a couple of minutes and causing no-one else a problem".

    On another scale, my mother lives in town, she has private parking at the back of her property, several times members of the public have parked on her private property whilst they go shopping... not dangerous, but very rude if you ask me! I live in a small close by the seafront, airshow day there was members of the public visiting the airshow parked in our visitors bays all day and one or two even parked in numbered bays intended for the residents meaning people could not park in their own close for the day! Again, not dangerous, but out of order none the less. In my book they still deserve a ticket! So it's not always about "dangerous" parking is it."
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Masked bikers warn drivers about spy cars

Watching the CCTV car – Graeme Jones and Si Clark Watching the CCTV car – Graeme Jones and Si Clark

CAMPAIGNERS are donning vigilante-style masks and taking to the streets of Southend warning motorists who are in danger of being nabbed by the council’s spy cars.

The group, known as No To Mob, are following the controversial CCTV cars around the borough on motorbikes, stopping to tell drivers parked illegally to move on – or get a fine.

The six masked men form part of a protest about the way the cars are being used and the rules under which they operate.

Their leader is trader Bob Wells, 52, who has led similar protests in Westminster and Bexley, Kent.

Mr Wells, owner of Printer and Cartridge Solutions in Woodgrange Drive, Southend, started his campaign following fears the spy car was driving vital custom away from his business.

He claims the car travels along the road past the stretch of shops at least once a day looking for illegal parkers. And therefore is not fulfilling its purpose.

Steve Baker, from Enfield, a member of the group, said: “We are not stopping the cars from doing their job. In fact, we are encouraging and helping them.

“If drivers are not parking illegally, then they won’t get caught.

“We are simply helping the spy car fulfil what the Secretary of State said in 2008, which was to get 100 per cent compliance, with no penalty charges.

“We also observed the cars to make sure they were not committing any offences themselves when they were out.”

Mr Wells launched his petition calling for a review on the controversial cars in April.

It has so far attracted more than 2,000 signatures from fed-up traders and residents.

He hopes No To Mob’s presence has caught the attention of council officials.

Mr Wells, of The Drive, Chalkwell, who has set up action group SOSSpyCar, said: “Traffic offences in the town need to be policed responsibly, and at the moment they are not.

“Many of the parking issues we have can be dealt with by traffic wardens.

“I support the car covering schools and clamping down on dangerous parking, but it seems by and large they are not doing this.”

Andrew Lewis, director for enterprise, tourism and the environment, at Southend Council said: “I am extremely concerned.

“The two civil enforcement officers found their presence extremely intimidating.

“Unfortunately, there was nothing we could do to prevent them from taking this action as they weren’t breaking the law.”

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