Huge £1million lagoon unveiled for Southend seafront

Artist impresssion of how the lagoon could look

Artist impresssion of how the lagoon could look

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A £1million lagoon is planned in a huge revamp of Southend seafront, the Echo can reveal.

The Government will todayannounce a huge cash investment to fund an artificial lagoon almost the size of a football pitch at Three Shells Beach for young bathers and water sports enthusiasts to use safely when the tide is out.

The ambitious plans will create eight jobs directly, but a projected increase in Southend’s six million annual visitors is expected to lead to 126 other new roles.

Derek Jarvis, Southend councillor responsible for culture and tourism, said: “I’m certain the funding will allow us to put some real energy and drive behind our ambitious plans for making Southend one of English tourism’s must see places to visit."

For a two-page special report, see today's Southend Echo.

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1:31am Fri 7 Mar 14

emcee says...

Hmmm... a rather half-hearted attempt to make part of Southend seafront look like a tropical paradise, something, for many reasons, it will never ever be. I fear this project could end up looking (as the picture already seems to indicate) a tad tacky.
Still, any old rubbish to spend free money the Government are happy to throw about (even though they seem to coninually bleet that there is no money).
Surely there are wiser ways to spend this "non-existant" money than spending it on a mere seaside gimmick.
I think the priorities are all wrong and the council should be ashamed of accepting this cash to create a handful of new jobs when 49 jobs at the council are going and services are being cut to the hilt.
I am all for investment but, as with household finances, surely you should not be throwing money at non essential projects until you can be sure you can meet you current financial obligations.
Hmmm... a rather half-hearted attempt to make part of Southend seafront look like a tropical paradise, something, for many reasons, it will never ever be. I fear this project could end up looking (as the picture already seems to indicate) a tad tacky. Still, any old rubbish to spend free money the Government are happy to throw about (even though they seem to coninually bleet that there is no money). Surely there are wiser ways to spend this "non-existant" money than spending it on a mere seaside gimmick. I think the priorities are all wrong and the council should be ashamed of accepting this cash to create a handful of new jobs when 49 jobs at the council are going and services are being cut to the hilt. I am all for investment but, as with household finances, surely you should not be throwing money at non essential projects until you can be sure you can meet you current financial obligations. emcee
  • Score: 5

6:39am Fri 7 Mar 14

SARFENDMAN says...

Love the tropical image of thriving palm trees, sun kissed quiet manicured sandy beaches with blue skies and blue water. Love a bit of reality.
Love the tropical image of thriving palm trees, sun kissed quiet manicured sandy beaches with blue skies and blue water. Love a bit of reality. SARFENDMAN
  • Score: 22

6:58am Fri 7 Mar 14

whateverhappened says...

SARFENDMAN wrote:
Love the tropical image of thriving palm trees, sun kissed quiet manicured sandy beaches with blue skies and blue water. Love a bit of reality.
That's right, and apparently that image only shows what it will look like in feburary.Can't wait till august it will be like living in st lucia
[quote][p][bold]SARFENDMAN[/bold] wrote: Love the tropical image of thriving palm trees, sun kissed quiet manicured sandy beaches with blue skies and blue water. Love a bit of reality.[/p][/quote]That's right, and apparently that image only shows what it will look like in feburary.Can't wait till august it will be like living in st lucia whateverhappened
  • Score: 16

7:22am Fri 7 Mar 14

Kursaal76 says...

emcee wrote:
Hmmm... a rather half-hearted attempt to make part of Southend seafront look like a tropical paradise, something, for many reasons, it will never ever be. I fear this project could end up looking (as the picture already seems to indicate) a tad tacky.
Still, any old rubbish to spend free money the Government are happy to throw about (even though they seem to coninually bleet that there is no money).
Surely there are wiser ways to spend this "non-existant" money than spending it on a mere seaside gimmick.
I think the priorities are all wrong and the council should be ashamed of accepting this cash to create a handful of new jobs when 49 jobs at the council are going and services are being cut to the hilt.
I am all for investment but, as with household finances, surely you should not be throwing money at non essential projects until you can be sure you can meet you current financial obligations.
Stop moaning its free to use and it will bring more people here.
[quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: Hmmm... a rather half-hearted attempt to make part of Southend seafront look like a tropical paradise, something, for many reasons, it will never ever be. I fear this project could end up looking (as the picture already seems to indicate) a tad tacky. Still, any old rubbish to spend free money the Government are happy to throw about (even though they seem to coninually bleet that there is no money). Surely there are wiser ways to spend this "non-existant" money than spending it on a mere seaside gimmick. I think the priorities are all wrong and the council should be ashamed of accepting this cash to create a handful of new jobs when 49 jobs at the council are going and services are being cut to the hilt. I am all for investment but, as with household finances, surely you should not be throwing money at non essential projects until you can be sure you can meet you current financial obligations.[/p][/quote]Stop moaning its free to use and it will bring more people here. Kursaal76
  • Score: 23

7:36am Fri 7 Mar 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

so...young bathers...and water sports enthusiasts, together in 1 dirty pool....sounds errr..great, and theres something missing from the idyllic photo..some dog turds, and as much as i like the palms they will never look like that.
so...young bathers...and water sports enthusiasts, together in 1 dirty pool....sounds errr..great, and theres something missing from the idyllic photo..some dog turds, and as much as i like the palms they will never look like that. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 9

7:38am Fri 7 Mar 14

CHRISTMAS CAROL says...

Love it Love it
Love it Love it CHRISTMAS CAROL
  • Score: 9

7:42am Fri 7 Mar 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

It'll be a seething sess pit within one summer month,
It'll be a seething sess pit within one summer month, carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: 0

7:49am Fri 7 Mar 14

Broadwaywatch says...

So what happens to the Alexandra Club jetty. Is this not all a Mr Miller plan as reported some time ago?
So what happens to the Alexandra Club jetty. Is this not all a Mr Miller plan as reported some time ago? Broadwaywatch
  • Score: 7

7:51am Fri 7 Mar 14

southend_Dave says...

So much cynicism as always.

Not sure why we try to make it look like the Caribbean with palm trees but the seafront has been vastly improved over the last 10 years and the more thats done the better.

As time goes on it is changing from the Kiss me Quick tacky dead seaside town into something hopefully visitors will want to come down to.
So much cynicism as always. Not sure why we try to make it look like the Caribbean with palm trees but the seafront has been vastly improved over the last 10 years and the more thats done the better. As time goes on it is changing from the Kiss me Quick tacky dead seaside town into something hopefully visitors will want to come down to. southend_Dave
  • Score: 26

8:01am Fri 7 Mar 14

rodgdodge says...

Good Idea.
Could also do similar lagoons at Ocean Beach Cafe and Shoebury Common Beaches.
It would solve the problem of beach erosion, which is causing many problems!
Good Idea. Could also do similar lagoons at Ocean Beach Cafe and Shoebury Common Beaches. It would solve the problem of beach erosion, which is causing many problems! rodgdodge
  • Score: 19

8:01am Fri 7 Mar 14

pembury53 says...

Kursaal76 wrote:
emcee wrote: Hmmm... a rather half-hearted attempt to make part of Southend seafront look like a tropical paradise, something, for many reasons, it will never ever be. I fear this project could end up looking (as the picture already seems to indicate) a tad tacky. Still, any old rubbish to spend free money the Government are happy to throw about (even though they seem to coninually bleet that there is no money). Surely there are wiser ways to spend this "non-existant" money than spending it on a mere seaside gimmick. I think the priorities are all wrong and the council should be ashamed of accepting this cash to create a handful of new jobs when 49 jobs at the council are going and services are being cut to the hilt. I am all for investment but, as with household finances, surely you should not be throwing money at non essential projects until you can be sure you can meet you current financial obligations.
Stop moaning its free to use and it will bring more people here.
you want more people here ! do you seriously think about what you say, or just trot out the same diatribe of the council and 'local business' ....... it now only takes the briefest glimpse of sunlight, even in the winter and half of essex are queing to get in ..... i would welcome anything that detered people, not encouraged them....
[quote][p][bold]Kursaal76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: Hmmm... a rather half-hearted attempt to make part of Southend seafront look like a tropical paradise, something, for many reasons, it will never ever be. I fear this project could end up looking (as the picture already seems to indicate) a tad tacky. Still, any old rubbish to spend free money the Government are happy to throw about (even though they seem to coninually bleet that there is no money). Surely there are wiser ways to spend this "non-existant" money than spending it on a mere seaside gimmick. I think the priorities are all wrong and the council should be ashamed of accepting this cash to create a handful of new jobs when 49 jobs at the council are going and services are being cut to the hilt. I am all for investment but, as with household finances, surely you should not be throwing money at non essential projects until you can be sure you can meet you current financial obligations.[/p][/quote]Stop moaning its free to use and it will bring more people here.[/p][/quote]you want more people here ! do you seriously think about what you say, or just trot out the same diatribe of the council and 'local business' ....... it now only takes the briefest glimpse of sunlight, even in the winter and half of essex are queing to get in ..... i would welcome anything that detered people, not encouraged them.... pembury53
  • Score: -15

8:28am Fri 7 Mar 14

Keptquiettillnow says...

Sounds and looks like another attempt at Beach Grab. The one thing left in Southend the council has been unable to sell off, now going to be taken bit by bit.
Sounds and looks like another attempt at Beach Grab. The one thing left in Southend the council has been unable to sell off, now going to be taken bit by bit. Keptquiettillnow
  • Score: 8

9:18am Fri 7 Mar 14

Vange Resident says...

Any investment into the seafront should be seen as a positive, if it improves the area then that is a bonus!
Any investment into the seafront should be seen as a positive, if it improves the area then that is a bonus! Vange Resident
  • Score: 14

9:19am Fri 7 Mar 14

openspace says...

It seems that any improvement to the seafront is an open invitation to the moaners and whiners to put in an appearance.
The seafront is better now than it ever has been, take the time to ask people who actually use , not just sit at home and moan about it. People, get a life, get out more and enjoy
It seems that any improvement to the seafront is an open invitation to the moaners and whiners to put in an appearance. The seafront is better now than it ever has been, take the time to ask people who actually use , not just sit at home and moan about it. People, get a life, get out more and enjoy openspace
  • Score: 15

9:30am Fri 7 Mar 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

openspace wrote:
It seems that any improvement to the seafront is an open invitation to the moaners and whiners to put in an appearance.
The seafront is better now than it ever has been, take the time to ask people who actually use , not just sit at home and moan about it. People, get a life, get out more and enjoy
we live here, we use it.

the shared space has received much negative comment.
the pier always gets negative comment
the cycle path gets much negative comment.
The fancy light poles got negative comment, sure theres more...

personally i prefer a traditional seafront, nothing wrong in old style prom, nice railings, clean and tidy, planters, flower displays, palms and traditional seafront lighting and not over flowing bins, way too much dull concrete now and crap lighting.
[quote][p][bold]openspace[/bold] wrote: It seems that any improvement to the seafront is an open invitation to the moaners and whiners to put in an appearance. The seafront is better now than it ever has been, take the time to ask people who actually use , not just sit at home and moan about it. People, get a life, get out more and enjoy[/p][/quote]we live here, we use it. the shared space has received much negative comment. the pier always gets negative comment the cycle path gets much negative comment. The fancy light poles got negative comment, sure theres more... personally i prefer a traditional seafront, nothing wrong in old style prom, nice railings, clean and tidy, planters, flower displays, palms and traditional seafront lighting and not over flowing bins, way too much dull concrete now and crap lighting. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 3

9:57am Fri 7 Mar 14

pembury53 says...

reading these posts says it all really.... some tacky, chavy, fake lagoon being described as an 'improvement' to draw in the dross from far and wide, to get the those 3 shells tills a ringin.....
reading these posts says it all really.... some tacky, chavy, fake lagoon being described as an 'improvement' to draw in the dross from far and wide, to get the those 3 shells tills a ringin..... pembury53
  • Score: 8

10:23am Fri 7 Mar 14

DonaldUnpleasance says...

pembury53 wrote:
reading these posts says it all really.... some tacky, chavy, fake lagoon being described as an 'improvement' to draw in the dross from far and wide, to get the those 3 shells tills a ringin.....
You missed out ".......at public expense".
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: reading these posts says it all really.... some tacky, chavy, fake lagoon being described as an 'improvement' to draw in the dross from far and wide, to get the those 3 shells tills a ringin.....[/p][/quote]You missed out ".......at public expense". DonaldUnpleasance
  • Score: 5

10:37am Fri 7 Mar 14

DonaldUnpleasance says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
It'll be a seething sess pit within one summer month,
Given recent experience we only seem to get a two to three week Summer in this country so it's status as a cesspit should remain unimpeachable.
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: It'll be a seething sess pit within one summer month,[/p][/quote]Given recent experience we only seem to get a two to three week Summer in this country so it's status as a cesspit should remain unimpeachable. DonaldUnpleasance
  • Score: -1

11:51am Fri 7 Mar 14

DannyK86 says...

DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
openspace wrote:
It seems that any improvement to the seafront is an open invitation to the moaners and whiners to put in an appearance.
The seafront is better now than it ever has been, take the time to ask people who actually use , not just sit at home and moan about it. People, get a life, get out more and enjoy
we live here, we use it.

the shared space has received much negative comment.
the pier always gets negative comment
the cycle path gets much negative comment.
The fancy light poles got negative comment, sure theres more...

personally i prefer a traditional seafront, nothing wrong in old style prom, nice railings, clean and tidy, planters, flower displays, palms and traditional seafront lighting and not over flowing bins, way too much dull concrete now and crap lighting.
Great - shall we just go the way of Hastings, Bridlington, Skegness and other crumbling resorts with just traditional promenades and tacky amusements, attracting declining visitor numbers?

Let's be honest - close to London, Brighton does the traditional resort very well, with a bit of a quirky twist, and even flippin' Margate is trying to do something new, with its Turner Gallery. Southend needs to bring in new things too, and for every whinger wanting to bury their head in the sand and pretend it's still the 60s, there will be people that appreciate the fountains and light poles.
[quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]openspace[/bold] wrote: It seems that any improvement to the seafront is an open invitation to the moaners and whiners to put in an appearance. The seafront is better now than it ever has been, take the time to ask people who actually use , not just sit at home and moan about it. People, get a life, get out more and enjoy[/p][/quote]we live here, we use it. the shared space has received much negative comment. the pier always gets negative comment the cycle path gets much negative comment. The fancy light poles got negative comment, sure theres more... personally i prefer a traditional seafront, nothing wrong in old style prom, nice railings, clean and tidy, planters, flower displays, palms and traditional seafront lighting and not over flowing bins, way too much dull concrete now and crap lighting.[/p][/quote]Great - shall we just go the way of Hastings, Bridlington, Skegness and other crumbling resorts with just traditional promenades and tacky amusements, attracting declining visitor numbers? Let's be honest - close to London, Brighton does the traditional resort very well, with a bit of a quirky twist, and even flippin' Margate is trying to do something new, with its Turner Gallery. Southend needs to bring in new things too, and for every whinger wanting to bury their head in the sand and pretend it's still the 60s, there will be people that appreciate the fountains and light poles. DannyK86
  • Score: 6

11:57am Fri 7 Mar 14

w-jback says...

DannyK86 wrote:
DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
openspace wrote:
It seems that any improvement to the seafront is an open invitation to the moaners and whiners to put in an appearance.
The seafront is better now than it ever has been, take the time to ask people who actually use , not just sit at home and moan about it. People, get a life, get out more and enjoy
we live here, we use it.

the shared space has received much negative comment.
the pier always gets negative comment
the cycle path gets much negative comment.
The fancy light poles got negative comment, sure theres more...

personally i prefer a traditional seafront, nothing wrong in old style prom, nice railings, clean and tidy, planters, flower displays, palms and traditional seafront lighting and not over flowing bins, way too much dull concrete now and crap lighting.
Great - shall we just go the way of Hastings, Bridlington, Skegness and other crumbling resorts with just traditional promenades and tacky amusements, attracting declining visitor numbers?

Let's be honest - close to London, Brighton does the traditional resort very well, with a bit of a quirky twist, and even flippin' Margate is trying to do something new, with its Turner Gallery. Southend needs to bring in new things too, and for every whinger wanting to bury their head in the sand and pretend it's still the 60s, there will be people that appreciate the fountains and light poles.
Good post.
[quote][p][bold]DannyK86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]openspace[/bold] wrote: It seems that any improvement to the seafront is an open invitation to the moaners and whiners to put in an appearance. The seafront is better now than it ever has been, take the time to ask people who actually use , not just sit at home and moan about it. People, get a life, get out more and enjoy[/p][/quote]we live here, we use it. the shared space has received much negative comment. the pier always gets negative comment the cycle path gets much negative comment. The fancy light poles got negative comment, sure theres more... personally i prefer a traditional seafront, nothing wrong in old style prom, nice railings, clean and tidy, planters, flower displays, palms and traditional seafront lighting and not over flowing bins, way too much dull concrete now and crap lighting.[/p][/quote]Great - shall we just go the way of Hastings, Bridlington, Skegness and other crumbling resorts with just traditional promenades and tacky amusements, attracting declining visitor numbers? Let's be honest - close to London, Brighton does the traditional resort very well, with a bit of a quirky twist, and even flippin' Margate is trying to do something new, with its Turner Gallery. Southend needs to bring in new things too, and for every whinger wanting to bury their head in the sand and pretend it's still the 60s, there will be people that appreciate the fountains and light poles.[/p][/quote]Good post. w-jback
  • Score: 5

12:13pm Fri 7 Mar 14

tezzason1 says...

emcee wrote:
Hmmm... a rather half-hearted attempt to make part of Southend seafront look like a tropical paradise, something, for many reasons, it will never ever be. I fear this project could end up looking (as the picture already seems to indicate) a tad tacky.
Still, any old rubbish to spend free money the Government are happy to throw about (even though they seem to coninually bleet that there is no money).
Surely there are wiser ways to spend this "non-existant" money than spending it on a mere seaside gimmick.
I think the priorities are all wrong and the council should be ashamed of accepting this cash to create a handful of new jobs when 49 jobs at the council are going and services are being cut to the hilt.
I am all for investment but, as with household finances, surely you should not be throwing money at non essential projects until you can be sure you can meet you current financial obligations.
8 jobs directly with the probability of 126 new roles with the increased traffic this project will generate is hardly a handful of jobs. One million pounds is not a great deal of money relative to the benefits the lagoon will bring. Certainly it should not be directed to council to support a bloated workforce. Council has a business to run. Trimming the fat is a necessary, however painful. As is cutting back council services if the income from rates, fees parking fines etc etc, is not sufficient to cover administration, council works and so on. If ratepayers are not comfortable with getting slugged more money, then cutting back services with a 'user pays' program is the fairest way to go. The last community I lived in, cut back on waste disposal costs dramatically, by charging rate payers a fee based on the WEIGHT of the rubbish collected. weekly with a dramatic increase in efforts by the residents to recycle. User pays. Bins were fitted with micro chips to identify the household and the contents weighed as the truck picked it up.
[quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: Hmmm... a rather half-hearted attempt to make part of Southend seafront look like a tropical paradise, something, for many reasons, it will never ever be. I fear this project could end up looking (as the picture already seems to indicate) a tad tacky. Still, any old rubbish to spend free money the Government are happy to throw about (even though they seem to coninually bleet that there is no money). Surely there are wiser ways to spend this "non-existant" money than spending it on a mere seaside gimmick. I think the priorities are all wrong and the council should be ashamed of accepting this cash to create a handful of new jobs when 49 jobs at the council are going and services are being cut to the hilt. I am all for investment but, as with household finances, surely you should not be throwing money at non essential projects until you can be sure you can meet you current financial obligations.[/p][/quote]8 jobs directly with the probability of 126 new roles with the increased traffic this project will generate is hardly a handful of jobs. One million pounds is not a great deal of money relative to the benefits the lagoon will bring. Certainly it should not be directed to council to support a bloated workforce. Council has a business to run. Trimming the fat is a necessary, however painful. As is cutting back council services if the income from rates, fees parking fines etc etc, is not sufficient to cover administration, council works and so on. If ratepayers are not comfortable with getting slugged more money, then cutting back services with a 'user pays' program is the fairest way to go. The last community I lived in, cut back on waste disposal costs dramatically, by charging rate payers a fee based on the WEIGHT of the rubbish collected. weekly with a dramatic increase in efforts by the residents to recycle. User pays. Bins were fitted with micro chips to identify the household and the contents weighed as the truck picked it up. tezzason1
  • Score: 1

12:28pm Fri 7 Mar 14

The Exorcist says...

It can only be for the better
It can only be for the better The Exorcist
  • Score: 1

12:29pm Fri 7 Mar 14

The Exorcist says...

Then again, it needs to be remembered that it is not a seafront, but rather a riverbank....
Then again, it needs to be remembered that it is not a seafront, but rather a riverbank.... The Exorcist
  • Score: -6

1:22pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Dissappointed says...

**** Paradise
**** Paradise Dissappointed
  • Score: 1

1:40pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Joe Clark says...

DannyK86 wrote:
DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
openspace wrote:
It seems that any improvement to the seafront is an open invitation to the moaners and whiners to put in an appearance.
The seafront is better now than it ever has been, take the time to ask people who actually use , not just sit at home and moan about it. People, get a life, get out more and enjoy
we live here, we use it.

the shared space has received much negative comment.
the pier always gets negative comment
the cycle path gets much negative comment.
The fancy light poles got negative comment, sure theres more...

personally i prefer a traditional seafront, nothing wrong in old style prom, nice railings, clean and tidy, planters, flower displays, palms and traditional seafront lighting and not over flowing bins, way too much dull concrete now and crap lighting.
Great - shall we just go the way of Hastings, Bridlington, Skegness and other crumbling resorts with just traditional promenades and tacky amusements, attracting declining visitor numbers?

Let's be honest - close to London, Brighton does the traditional resort very well, with a bit of a quirky twist, and even flippin' Margate is trying to do something new, with its Turner Gallery. Southend needs to bring in new things too, and for every whinger wanting to bury their head in the sand and pretend it's still the 60s, there will be people that appreciate the fountains and light poles.
These people that want to live in the 60's would they go the whole hog and give up ALL modern day living?

All the advances in health care?

Big screen TV's?

Computers?

The Internet?

The pollution free seafront?

or do they just pick and choose what parts of the 60's they want to live in and keep a tight firm hold on modern day luxuries, actually stupid question as well all know the answer to that, they WILL pick and choose and NOT go the hole hog.

Clearly some people would be happy to see Southend stand still and stagnate and turn into a Margate a town that fell so very very far that it is taking £millions to try and turn the decay around where as Southend nipped it in the bud before the rot truly set in and with a brave leap jumped in to a modernisation programme that has seen people flocking back and long may that continue.
[quote][p][bold]DannyK86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]openspace[/bold] wrote: It seems that any improvement to the seafront is an open invitation to the moaners and whiners to put in an appearance. The seafront is better now than it ever has been, take the time to ask people who actually use , not just sit at home and moan about it. People, get a life, get out more and enjoy[/p][/quote]we live here, we use it. the shared space has received much negative comment. the pier always gets negative comment the cycle path gets much negative comment. The fancy light poles got negative comment, sure theres more... personally i prefer a traditional seafront, nothing wrong in old style prom, nice railings, clean and tidy, planters, flower displays, palms and traditional seafront lighting and not over flowing bins, way too much dull concrete now and crap lighting.[/p][/quote]Great - shall we just go the way of Hastings, Bridlington, Skegness and other crumbling resorts with just traditional promenades and tacky amusements, attracting declining visitor numbers? Let's be honest - close to London, Brighton does the traditional resort very well, with a bit of a quirky twist, and even flippin' Margate is trying to do something new, with its Turner Gallery. Southend needs to bring in new things too, and for every whinger wanting to bury their head in the sand and pretend it's still the 60s, there will be people that appreciate the fountains and light poles.[/p][/quote]These people that want to live in the 60's would they go the whole hog and give up ALL modern day living? All the advances in health care? Big screen TV's? Computers? The Internet? The pollution free seafront? or do they just pick and choose what parts of the 60's they want to live in and keep a tight firm hold on modern day luxuries, actually stupid question as well all know the answer to that, they WILL pick and choose and NOT go the hole hog. Clearly some people would be happy to see Southend stand still and stagnate and turn into a Margate a town that fell so very very far that it is taking £millions to try and turn the decay around where as Southend nipped it in the bud before the rot truly set in and with a brave leap jumped in to a modernisation programme that has seen people flocking back and long may that continue. Joe Clark
  • Score: 5

1:50pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Joe Clark says...

pembury53 wrote:
Kursaal76 wrote:
emcee wrote: Hmmm... a rather half-hearted attempt to make part of Southend seafront look like a tropical paradise, something, for many reasons, it will never ever be. I fear this project could end up looking (as the picture already seems to indicate) a tad tacky. Still, any old rubbish to spend free money the Government are happy to throw about (even though they seem to coninually bleet that there is no money). Surely there are wiser ways to spend this "non-existant" money than spending it on a mere seaside gimmick. I think the priorities are all wrong and the council should be ashamed of accepting this cash to create a handful of new jobs when 49 jobs at the council are going and services are being cut to the hilt. I am all for investment but, as with household finances, surely you should not be throwing money at non essential projects until you can be sure you can meet you current financial obligations.
Stop moaning its free to use and it will bring more people here.
you want more people here ! do you seriously think about what you say, or just trot out the same diatribe of the council and 'local business' ....... it now only takes the briefest glimpse of sunlight, even in the winter and half of essex are queing to get in ..... i would welcome anything that detered people, not encouraged them....
You clearly do not own or work at a place that is dependent on day trippers to carry on trading do you not understand what seaside resorts need to keep going its visitors and here you are wanting to deter people from coming, lets say you got your way and not one person came to town all the arcades closed and were boarded up, Adventure Island closed and become a derelict site, the sealife centre was boarded up and left empty the pier thanks to your vision of no day trippers in Southend is such a millstone it is closed and left to fall into the sea much like West Pier in Brighton is this what you REALLY want to see.

Welcome to pembury53-on Sea we have no jobs, no entertainment, no fun, no attractions, no pier, no nothing if you are planning to visit don't as we don't want you here.

Reality check for pembury53: Standing still is not an option Southend NEEDS day trippers and that's a fact nobody and deny.
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kursaal76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: Hmmm... a rather half-hearted attempt to make part of Southend seafront look like a tropical paradise, something, for many reasons, it will never ever be. I fear this project could end up looking (as the picture already seems to indicate) a tad tacky. Still, any old rubbish to spend free money the Government are happy to throw about (even though they seem to coninually bleet that there is no money). Surely there are wiser ways to spend this "non-existant" money than spending it on a mere seaside gimmick. I think the priorities are all wrong and the council should be ashamed of accepting this cash to create a handful of new jobs when 49 jobs at the council are going and services are being cut to the hilt. I am all for investment but, as with household finances, surely you should not be throwing money at non essential projects until you can be sure you can meet you current financial obligations.[/p][/quote]Stop moaning its free to use and it will bring more people here.[/p][/quote]you want more people here ! do you seriously think about what you say, or just trot out the same diatribe of the council and 'local business' ....... it now only takes the briefest glimpse of sunlight, even in the winter and half of essex are queing to get in ..... i would welcome anything that detered people, not encouraged them....[/p][/quote]You clearly do not own or work at a place that is dependent on day trippers to carry on trading do you not understand what seaside resorts need to keep going its visitors and here you are wanting to deter people from coming, lets say you got your way and not one person came to town all the arcades closed and were boarded up, Adventure Island closed and become a derelict site, the sealife centre was boarded up and left empty the pier thanks to your vision of no day trippers in Southend is such a millstone it is closed and left to fall into the sea much like West Pier in Brighton is this what you REALLY want to see. Welcome to pembury53-on Sea we have no jobs, no entertainment, no fun, no attractions, no pier, no nothing if you are planning to visit don't as we don't want you here. Reality check for pembury53: Standing still is not an option Southend NEEDS day trippers and that's a fact nobody and deny. Joe Clark
  • Score: 10

2:07pm Fri 7 Mar 14

w-jback says...

Looks like Southend got the money .

"Southend-on-Sea Borough Council has been successful in the second round of Coastal Communities Funding, gaining £1.25m to significantly enhance and diversify tourism in the area."
Looks like Southend got the money . "Southend-on-Sea Borough Council has been successful in the second round of Coastal Communities Funding, gaining £1.25m to significantly enhance and diversify tourism in the area." w-jback
  • Score: 3

3:03pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Sweet P says...

Briliant idea but wrong location. Pier entrance and Playground already very busy area. Make the lagoon nearer Shoebury or Westcliff/Charlkwell area.
Briliant idea but wrong location. Pier entrance and Playground already very busy area. Make the lagoon nearer Shoebury or Westcliff/Charlkwell area. Sweet P
  • Score: 6

3:30pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Kursaal76 says...

pembury53 wrote:
Kursaal76 wrote:
emcee wrote: Hmmm... a rather half-hearted attempt to make part of Southend seafront look like a tropical paradise, something, for many reasons, it will never ever be. I fear this project could end up looking (as the picture already seems to indicate) a tad tacky. Still, any old rubbish to spend free money the Government are happy to throw about (even though they seem to coninually bleet that there is no money). Surely there are wiser ways to spend this "non-existant" money than spending it on a mere seaside gimmick. I think the priorities are all wrong and the council should be ashamed of accepting this cash to create a handful of new jobs when 49 jobs at the council are going and services are being cut to the hilt. I am all for investment but, as with household finances, surely you should not be throwing money at non essential projects until you can be sure you can meet you current financial obligations.
Stop moaning its free to use and it will bring more people here.
you want more people here ! do you seriously think about what you say, or just trot out the same diatribe of the council and 'local business' ....... it now only takes the briefest glimpse of sunlight, even in the winter and half of essex are queing to get in ..... i would welcome anything that detered people, not encouraged them....
You don't want people here! why the hell are you living in a seaside town then? most of southend rely on the summer months. also I do not trot on about the same stuff. I hardly comment on here!
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kursaal76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: Hmmm... a rather half-hearted attempt to make part of Southend seafront look like a tropical paradise, something, for many reasons, it will never ever be. I fear this project could end up looking (as the picture already seems to indicate) a tad tacky. Still, any old rubbish to spend free money the Government are happy to throw about (even though they seem to coninually bleet that there is no money). Surely there are wiser ways to spend this "non-existant" money than spending it on a mere seaside gimmick. I think the priorities are all wrong and the council should be ashamed of accepting this cash to create a handful of new jobs when 49 jobs at the council are going and services are being cut to the hilt. I am all for investment but, as with household finances, surely you should not be throwing money at non essential projects until you can be sure you can meet you current financial obligations.[/p][/quote]Stop moaning its free to use and it will bring more people here.[/p][/quote]you want more people here ! do you seriously think about what you say, or just trot out the same diatribe of the council and 'local business' ....... it now only takes the briefest glimpse of sunlight, even in the winter and half of essex are queing to get in ..... i would welcome anything that detered people, not encouraged them....[/p][/quote]You don't want people here! why the hell are you living in a seaside town then? most of southend rely on the summer months. also I do not trot on about the same stuff. I hardly comment on here! Kursaal76
  • Score: 3

3:40pm Fri 7 Mar 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

DannyK86 wrote:
DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
openspace wrote:
It seems that any improvement to the seafront is an open invitation to the moaners and whiners to put in an appearance.
The seafront is better now than it ever has been, take the time to ask people who actually use , not just sit at home and moan about it. People, get a life, get out more and enjoy
we live here, we use it.

the shared space has received much negative comment.
the pier always gets negative comment
the cycle path gets much negative comment.
The fancy light poles got negative comment, sure theres more...

personally i prefer a traditional seafront, nothing wrong in old style prom, nice railings, clean and tidy, planters, flower displays, palms and traditional seafront lighting and not over flowing bins, way too much dull concrete now and crap lighting.
Great - shall we just go the way of Hastings, Bridlington, Skegness and other crumbling resorts with just traditional promenades and tacky amusements, attracting declining visitor numbers?

Let's be honest - close to London, Brighton does the traditional resort very well, with a bit of a quirky twist, and even flippin' Margate is trying to do something new, with its Turner Gallery. Southend needs to bring in new things too, and for every whinger wanting to bury their head in the sand and pretend it's still the 60s, there will be people that appreciate the fountains and light poles.
Heyy...we have the full monty with Tacky amusements...and i should have said Brighton when i was talking about the prom and neat railings, plenty of grass too.
Our cliffs need work and they could be turned into something fantastic, green green grass and lush flowers and palms, our cliffs don't stand out enough, Hastings ain't that bad is it..? maybe southend feels differant because we ain't on open sea.
[quote][p][bold]DannyK86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]openspace[/bold] wrote: It seems that any improvement to the seafront is an open invitation to the moaners and whiners to put in an appearance. The seafront is better now than it ever has been, take the time to ask people who actually use , not just sit at home and moan about it. People, get a life, get out more and enjoy[/p][/quote]we live here, we use it. the shared space has received much negative comment. the pier always gets negative comment the cycle path gets much negative comment. The fancy light poles got negative comment, sure theres more... personally i prefer a traditional seafront, nothing wrong in old style prom, nice railings, clean and tidy, planters, flower displays, palms and traditional seafront lighting and not over flowing bins, way too much dull concrete now and crap lighting.[/p][/quote]Great - shall we just go the way of Hastings, Bridlington, Skegness and other crumbling resorts with just traditional promenades and tacky amusements, attracting declining visitor numbers? Let's be honest - close to London, Brighton does the traditional resort very well, with a bit of a quirky twist, and even flippin' Margate is trying to do something new, with its Turner Gallery. Southend needs to bring in new things too, and for every whinger wanting to bury their head in the sand and pretend it's still the 60s, there will be people that appreciate the fountains and light poles.[/p][/quote]Heyy...we have the full monty with Tacky amusements...and i should have said Brighton when i was talking about the prom and neat railings, plenty of grass too. Our cliffs need work and they could be turned into something fantastic, green green grass and lush flowers and palms, our cliffs don't stand out enough, Hastings ain't that bad is it..? maybe southend feels differant because we ain't on open sea. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: -1

4:08pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Living the La Vida Legra says...

Broadwaywatch wrote:
So what happens to the Alexandra Club jetty. Is this not all a Mr Miller plan as reported some time ago?
Who cares?
[quote][p][bold]Broadwaywatch[/bold] wrote: So what happens to the Alexandra Club jetty. Is this not all a Mr Miller plan as reported some time ago?[/p][/quote]Who cares? Living the La Vida Legra
  • Score: 0

4:12pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Living the La Vida Legra says...

DonaldUnpleasance wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma

kessense
wrote:
It'll be a seething sess pit within one summer month,
Given recent experience we only seem to get a two to three week Summer in this country so it's status as a cesspit should remain unimpeachable.
You odious man!
[quote][p][bold]DonaldUnpleasance[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: It'll be a seething sess pit within one summer month,[/p][/quote]Given recent experience we only seem to get a two to three week Summer in this country so it's status as a cesspit should remain unimpeachable.[/p][/quote]You odious man! Living the La Vida Legra
  • Score: 2

5:29pm Fri 7 Mar 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

Joe Clark wrote:
DannyK86 wrote:
DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
openspace wrote:
It seems that any improvement to the seafront is an open invitation to the moaners and whiners to put in an appearance.
The seafront is better now than it ever has been, take the time to ask people who actually use , not just sit at home and moan about it. People, get a life, get out more and enjoy
we live here, we use it.

the shared space has received much negative comment.
the pier always gets negative comment
the cycle path gets much negative comment.
The fancy light poles got negative comment, sure theres more...

personally i prefer a traditional seafront, nothing wrong in old style prom, nice railings, clean and tidy, planters, flower displays, palms and traditional seafront lighting and not over flowing bins, way too much dull concrete now and crap lighting.
Great - shall we just go the way of Hastings, Bridlington, Skegness and other crumbling resorts with just traditional promenades and tacky amusements, attracting declining visitor numbers?

Let's be honest - close to London, Brighton does the traditional resort very well, with a bit of a quirky twist, and even flippin' Margate is trying to do something new, with its Turner Gallery. Southend needs to bring in new things too, and for every whinger wanting to bury their head in the sand and pretend it's still the 60s, there will be people that appreciate the fountains and light poles.
These people that want to live in the 60's would they go the whole hog and give up ALL modern day living?

All the advances in health care?

Big screen TV's?

Computers?

The Internet?

The pollution free seafront?

or do they just pick and choose what parts of the 60's they want to live in and keep a tight firm hold on modern day luxuries, actually stupid question as well all know the answer to that, they WILL pick and choose and NOT go the hole hog.

Clearly some people would be happy to see Southend stand still and stagnate and turn into a Margate a town that fell so very very far that it is taking £millions to try and turn the decay around where as Southend nipped it in the bud before the rot truly set in and with a brave leap jumped in to a modernisation programme that has seen people flocking back and long may that continue.
its not about the 60's or Margate...its about traditional seafronts, its possible to have that in 2014 and be successful, it don't have to be all city beach concrete slabs and LED pylons that don't all light up.
[quote][p][bold]Joe Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DannyK86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]openspace[/bold] wrote: It seems that any improvement to the seafront is an open invitation to the moaners and whiners to put in an appearance. The seafront is better now than it ever has been, take the time to ask people who actually use , not just sit at home and moan about it. People, get a life, get out more and enjoy[/p][/quote]we live here, we use it. the shared space has received much negative comment. the pier always gets negative comment the cycle path gets much negative comment. The fancy light poles got negative comment, sure theres more... personally i prefer a traditional seafront, nothing wrong in old style prom, nice railings, clean and tidy, planters, flower displays, palms and traditional seafront lighting and not over flowing bins, way too much dull concrete now and crap lighting.[/p][/quote]Great - shall we just go the way of Hastings, Bridlington, Skegness and other crumbling resorts with just traditional promenades and tacky amusements, attracting declining visitor numbers? Let's be honest - close to London, Brighton does the traditional resort very well, with a bit of a quirky twist, and even flippin' Margate is trying to do something new, with its Turner Gallery. Southend needs to bring in new things too, and for every whinger wanting to bury their head in the sand and pretend it's still the 60s, there will be people that appreciate the fountains and light poles.[/p][/quote]These people that want to live in the 60's would they go the whole hog and give up ALL modern day living? All the advances in health care? Big screen TV's? Computers? The Internet? The pollution free seafront? or do they just pick and choose what parts of the 60's they want to live in and keep a tight firm hold on modern day luxuries, actually stupid question as well all know the answer to that, they WILL pick and choose and NOT go the hole hog. Clearly some people would be happy to see Southend stand still and stagnate and turn into a Margate a town that fell so very very far that it is taking £millions to try and turn the decay around where as Southend nipped it in the bud before the rot truly set in and with a brave leap jumped in to a modernisation programme that has seen people flocking back and long may that continue.[/p][/quote]its not about the 60's or Margate...its about traditional seafronts, its possible to have that in 2014 and be successful, it don't have to be all city beach concrete slabs and LED pylons that don't all light up. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 0

6:23pm Fri 7 Mar 14

ThisYear says...

DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
openspace wrote:
It seems that any improvement to the seafront is an open invitation to the moaners and whiners to put in an appearance.
The seafront is better now than it ever has been, take the time to ask people who actually use , not just sit at home and moan about it. People, get a life, get out more and enjoy
we live here, we use it.

the shared space has received much negative comment.
the pier always gets negative comment
the cycle path gets much negative comment.
The fancy light poles got negative comment, sure theres more...

personally i prefer a traditional seafront, nothing wrong in old style prom, nice railings, clean and tidy, planters, flower displays, palms and traditional seafront lighting and not over flowing bins, way too much dull concrete now and crap lighting.
You missed your obsession..dog waste...which you mention every fourth post.
[quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]openspace[/bold] wrote: It seems that any improvement to the seafront is an open invitation to the moaners and whiners to put in an appearance. The seafront is better now than it ever has been, take the time to ask people who actually use , not just sit at home and moan about it. People, get a life, get out more and enjoy[/p][/quote]we live here, we use it. the shared space has received much negative comment. the pier always gets negative comment the cycle path gets much negative comment. The fancy light poles got negative comment, sure theres more... personally i prefer a traditional seafront, nothing wrong in old style prom, nice railings, clean and tidy, planters, flower displays, palms and traditional seafront lighting and not over flowing bins, way too much dull concrete now and crap lighting.[/p][/quote]You missed your obsession..dog waste...which you mention every fourth post. ThisYear
  • Score: 0

6:57pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Joe Clark says...

DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
Joe Clark wrote:
DannyK86 wrote:
DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
openspace wrote:
It seems that any improvement to the seafront is an open invitation to the moaners and whiners to put in an appearance.
The seafront is better now than it ever has been, take the time to ask people who actually use , not just sit at home and moan about it. People, get a life, get out more and enjoy
we live here, we use it.

the shared space has received much negative comment.
the pier always gets negative comment
the cycle path gets much negative comment.
The fancy light poles got negative comment, sure theres more...

personally i prefer a traditional seafront, nothing wrong in old style prom, nice railings, clean and tidy, planters, flower displays, palms and traditional seafront lighting and not over flowing bins, way too much dull concrete now and crap lighting.
Great - shall we just go the way of Hastings, Bridlington, Skegness and other crumbling resorts with just traditional promenades and tacky amusements, attracting declining visitor numbers?

Let's be honest - close to London, Brighton does the traditional resort very well, with a bit of a quirky twist, and even flippin' Margate is trying to do something new, with its Turner Gallery. Southend needs to bring in new things too, and for every whinger wanting to bury their head in the sand and pretend it's still the 60s, there will be people that appreciate the fountains and light poles.
These people that want to live in the 60's would they go the whole hog and give up ALL modern day living?

All the advances in health care?

Big screen TV's?

Computers?

The Internet?

The pollution free seafront?

or do they just pick and choose what parts of the 60's they want to live in and keep a tight firm hold on modern day luxuries, actually stupid question as well all know the answer to that, they WILL pick and choose and NOT go the hole hog.

Clearly some people would be happy to see Southend stand still and stagnate and turn into a Margate a town that fell so very very far that it is taking £millions to try and turn the decay around where as Southend nipped it in the bud before the rot truly set in and with a brave leap jumped in to a modernisation programme that has seen people flocking back and long may that continue.
its not about the 60's or Margate...its about traditional seafronts, its possible to have that in 2014 and be successful, it don't have to be all city beach concrete slabs and LED pylons that don't all light up.
Are you also against the jobs it WILL create?
[quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joe Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DannyK86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]openspace[/bold] wrote: It seems that any improvement to the seafront is an open invitation to the moaners and whiners to put in an appearance. The seafront is better now than it ever has been, take the time to ask people who actually use , not just sit at home and moan about it. People, get a life, get out more and enjoy[/p][/quote]we live here, we use it. the shared space has received much negative comment. the pier always gets negative comment the cycle path gets much negative comment. The fancy light poles got negative comment, sure theres more... personally i prefer a traditional seafront, nothing wrong in old style prom, nice railings, clean and tidy, planters, flower displays, palms and traditional seafront lighting and not over flowing bins, way too much dull concrete now and crap lighting.[/p][/quote]Great - shall we just go the way of Hastings, Bridlington, Skegness and other crumbling resorts with just traditional promenades and tacky amusements, attracting declining visitor numbers? Let's be honest - close to London, Brighton does the traditional resort very well, with a bit of a quirky twist, and even flippin' Margate is trying to do something new, with its Turner Gallery. Southend needs to bring in new things too, and for every whinger wanting to bury their head in the sand and pretend it's still the 60s, there will be people that appreciate the fountains and light poles.[/p][/quote]These people that want to live in the 60's would they go the whole hog and give up ALL modern day living? All the advances in health care? Big screen TV's? Computers? The Internet? The pollution free seafront? or do they just pick and choose what parts of the 60's they want to live in and keep a tight firm hold on modern day luxuries, actually stupid question as well all know the answer to that, they WILL pick and choose and NOT go the hole hog. Clearly some people would be happy to see Southend stand still and stagnate and turn into a Margate a town that fell so very very far that it is taking £millions to try and turn the decay around where as Southend nipped it in the bud before the rot truly set in and with a brave leap jumped in to a modernisation programme that has seen people flocking back and long may that continue.[/p][/quote]its not about the 60's or Margate...its about traditional seafronts, its possible to have that in 2014 and be successful, it don't have to be all city beach concrete slabs and LED pylons that don't all light up.[/p][/quote]Are you also against the jobs it WILL create? Joe Clark
  • Score: 0

9:00pm Fri 7 Mar 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

Joe Clark wrote:
DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
Joe Clark wrote:
DannyK86 wrote:
DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
openspace wrote:
It seems that any improvement to the seafront is an open invitation to the moaners and whiners to put in an appearance.
The seafront is better now than it ever has been, take the time to ask people who actually use , not just sit at home and moan about it. People, get a life, get out more and enjoy
we live here, we use it.

the shared space has received much negative comment.
the pier always gets negative comment
the cycle path gets much negative comment.
The fancy light poles got negative comment, sure theres more...

personally i prefer a traditional seafront, nothing wrong in old style prom, nice railings, clean and tidy, planters, flower displays, palms and traditional seafront lighting and not over flowing bins, way too much dull concrete now and crap lighting.
Great - shall we just go the way of Hastings, Bridlington, Skegness and other crumbling resorts with just traditional promenades and tacky amusements, attracting declining visitor numbers?

Let's be honest - close to London, Brighton does the traditional resort very well, with a bit of a quirky twist, and even flippin' Margate is trying to do something new, with its Turner Gallery. Southend needs to bring in new things too, and for every whinger wanting to bury their head in the sand and pretend it's still the 60s, there will be people that appreciate the fountains and light poles.
These people that want to live in the 60's would they go the whole hog and give up ALL modern day living?

All the advances in health care?

Big screen TV's?

Computers?

The Internet?

The pollution free seafront?

or do they just pick and choose what parts of the 60's they want to live in and keep a tight firm hold on modern day luxuries, actually stupid question as well all know the answer to that, they WILL pick and choose and NOT go the hole hog.

Clearly some people would be happy to see Southend stand still and stagnate and turn into a Margate a town that fell so very very far that it is taking £millions to try and turn the decay around where as Southend nipped it in the bud before the rot truly set in and with a brave leap jumped in to a modernisation programme that has seen people flocking back and long may that continue.
its not about the 60's or Margate...its about traditional seafronts, its possible to have that in 2014 and be successful, it don't have to be all city beach concrete slabs and LED pylons that don't all light up.
Are you also against the jobs it WILL create?
where did i say i was against it..?
and any idea what 8 permanent jobs will be..? i mean its a sea water pool, what will 8 employees be doing.?
[quote][p][bold]Joe Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joe Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DannyK86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]openspace[/bold] wrote: It seems that any improvement to the seafront is an open invitation to the moaners and whiners to put in an appearance. The seafront is better now than it ever has been, take the time to ask people who actually use , not just sit at home and moan about it. People, get a life, get out more and enjoy[/p][/quote]we live here, we use it. the shared space has received much negative comment. the pier always gets negative comment the cycle path gets much negative comment. The fancy light poles got negative comment, sure theres more... personally i prefer a traditional seafront, nothing wrong in old style prom, nice railings, clean and tidy, planters, flower displays, palms and traditional seafront lighting and not over flowing bins, way too much dull concrete now and crap lighting.[/p][/quote]Great - shall we just go the way of Hastings, Bridlington, Skegness and other crumbling resorts with just traditional promenades and tacky amusements, attracting declining visitor numbers? Let's be honest - close to London, Brighton does the traditional resort very well, with a bit of a quirky twist, and even flippin' Margate is trying to do something new, with its Turner Gallery. Southend needs to bring in new things too, and for every whinger wanting to bury their head in the sand and pretend it's still the 60s, there will be people that appreciate the fountains and light poles.[/p][/quote]These people that want to live in the 60's would they go the whole hog and give up ALL modern day living? All the advances in health care? Big screen TV's? Computers? The Internet? The pollution free seafront? or do they just pick and choose what parts of the 60's they want to live in and keep a tight firm hold on modern day luxuries, actually stupid question as well all know the answer to that, they WILL pick and choose and NOT go the hole hog. Clearly some people would be happy to see Southend stand still and stagnate and turn into a Margate a town that fell so very very far that it is taking £millions to try and turn the decay around where as Southend nipped it in the bud before the rot truly set in and with a brave leap jumped in to a modernisation programme that has seen people flocking back and long may that continue.[/p][/quote]its not about the 60's or Margate...its about traditional seafronts, its possible to have that in 2014 and be successful, it don't have to be all city beach concrete slabs and LED pylons that don't all light up.[/p][/quote]Are you also against the jobs it WILL create?[/p][/quote]where did i say i was against it..? and any idea what 8 permanent jobs will be..? i mean its a sea water pool, what will 8 employees be doing.? DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 0

10:59pm Fri 7 Mar 14

emcee says...

DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
Joe Clark wrote:
DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
Joe Clark wrote:
DannyK86 wrote:
DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
openspace wrote:
It seems that any improvement to the seafront is an open invitation to the moaners and whiners to put in an appearance.
The seafront is better now than it ever has been, take the time to ask people who actually use , not just sit at home and moan about it. People, get a life, get out more and enjoy
we live here, we use it.

the shared space has received much negative comment.
the pier always gets negative comment
the cycle path gets much negative comment.
The fancy light poles got negative comment, sure theres more...

personally i prefer a traditional seafront, nothing wrong in old style prom, nice railings, clean and tidy, planters, flower displays, palms and traditional seafront lighting and not over flowing bins, way too much dull concrete now and crap lighting.
Great - shall we just go the way of Hastings, Bridlington, Skegness and other crumbling resorts with just traditional promenades and tacky amusements, attracting declining visitor numbers?

Let's be honest - close to London, Brighton does the traditional resort very well, with a bit of a quirky twist, and even flippin' Margate is trying to do something new, with its Turner Gallery. Southend needs to bring in new things too, and for every whinger wanting to bury their head in the sand and pretend it's still the 60s, there will be people that appreciate the fountains and light poles.
These people that want to live in the 60's would they go the whole hog and give up ALL modern day living?

All the advances in health care?

Big screen TV's?

Computers?

The Internet?

The pollution free seafront?

or do they just pick and choose what parts of the 60's they want to live in and keep a tight firm hold on modern day luxuries, actually stupid question as well all know the answer to that, they WILL pick and choose and NOT go the hole hog.

Clearly some people would be happy to see Southend stand still and stagnate and turn into a Margate a town that fell so very very far that it is taking £millions to try and turn the decay around where as Southend nipped it in the bud before the rot truly set in and with a brave leap jumped in to a modernisation programme that has seen people flocking back and long may that continue.
its not about the 60's or Margate...its about traditional seafronts, its possible to have that in 2014 and be successful, it don't have to be all city beach concrete slabs and LED pylons that don't all light up.
Are you also against the jobs it WILL create?
where did i say i was against it..?
and any idea what 8 permanent jobs will be..? i mean its a sea water pool, what will 8 employees be doing.?
No doubt something to do with a pie Mr Miller will have his finger in.
[quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joe Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joe Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DannyK86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]openspace[/bold] wrote: It seems that any improvement to the seafront is an open invitation to the moaners and whiners to put in an appearance. The seafront is better now than it ever has been, take the time to ask people who actually use , not just sit at home and moan about it. People, get a life, get out more and enjoy[/p][/quote]we live here, we use it. the shared space has received much negative comment. the pier always gets negative comment the cycle path gets much negative comment. The fancy light poles got negative comment, sure theres more... personally i prefer a traditional seafront, nothing wrong in old style prom, nice railings, clean and tidy, planters, flower displays, palms and traditional seafront lighting and not over flowing bins, way too much dull concrete now and crap lighting.[/p][/quote]Great - shall we just go the way of Hastings, Bridlington, Skegness and other crumbling resorts with just traditional promenades and tacky amusements, attracting declining visitor numbers? Let's be honest - close to London, Brighton does the traditional resort very well, with a bit of a quirky twist, and even flippin' Margate is trying to do something new, with its Turner Gallery. Southend needs to bring in new things too, and for every whinger wanting to bury their head in the sand and pretend it's still the 60s, there will be people that appreciate the fountains and light poles.[/p][/quote]These people that want to live in the 60's would they go the whole hog and give up ALL modern day living? All the advances in health care? Big screen TV's? Computers? The Internet? The pollution free seafront? or do they just pick and choose what parts of the 60's they want to live in and keep a tight firm hold on modern day luxuries, actually stupid question as well all know the answer to that, they WILL pick and choose and NOT go the hole hog. Clearly some people would be happy to see Southend stand still and stagnate and turn into a Margate a town that fell so very very far that it is taking £millions to try and turn the decay around where as Southend nipped it in the bud before the rot truly set in and with a brave leap jumped in to a modernisation programme that has seen people flocking back and long may that continue.[/p][/quote]its not about the 60's or Margate...its about traditional seafronts, its possible to have that in 2014 and be successful, it don't have to be all city beach concrete slabs and LED pylons that don't all light up.[/p][/quote]Are you also against the jobs it WILL create?[/p][/quote]where did i say i was against it..? and any idea what 8 permanent jobs will be..? i mean its a sea water pool, what will 8 employees be doing.?[/p][/quote]No doubt something to do with a pie Mr Miller will have his finger in. emcee
  • Score: 3

7:11am Sat 8 Mar 14

jessloulau says...

DonaldUnpleasance wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma

kessense
wrote:
It'll be a seething sess pit within one summer month,
Given recent experience we only seem to get a two to three week Summer in this country so it's status as a cesspit should remain unimpeachable.
Unimpeachable ............ Ooooooo . Look at u .......I remember the first time I learnt a new word. Shame u couldn't use it in its right context
[quote][p][bold]DonaldUnpleasance[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: It'll be a seething sess pit within one summer month,[/p][/quote]Given recent experience we only seem to get a two to three week Summer in this country so it's status as a cesspit should remain unimpeachable.[/p][/quote]Unimpeachable ............ Ooooooo . Look at u .......I remember the first time I learnt a new word. Shame u couldn't use it in its right context jessloulau
  • Score: 2

7:45am Sat 8 Mar 14

Thames Gateway says...

I agree with Sweet P that right in the busy centre is not necessarily the best place, it makes more sense to spread the tourism wider along the 7 miles of front and make better use of the resource elsewhere. Why concentrate everything in the over-developed/ overly busy pier area?

If it is built as planned, I would like to think that proper studies are done by qualified tidal engineers to predict the effect on the surroundings of the change in flows. Particularly thinking about the pier and making sure its supporting pillars/foundations are not scoured out leaving the council (taxpayers) with an unexpected bill to correct this in the future.
I agree with Sweet P that right in the busy centre is not necessarily the best place, it makes more sense to spread the tourism wider along the 7 miles of front and make better use of the resource elsewhere. Why concentrate everything in the over-developed/ overly busy pier area? If it is built as planned, I would like to think that proper studies are done by qualified tidal engineers to predict the effect on the surroundings of the change in flows. Particularly thinking about the pier and making sure its supporting pillars/foundations are not scoured out leaving the council (taxpayers) with an unexpected bill to correct this in the future. Thames Gateway
  • Score: 7

9:41am Sat 8 Mar 14

MHWoods says...

SARFENDMAN wrote:
Love the tropical image of thriving palm trees, sun kissed quiet manicured sandy beaches with blue skies and blue water. Love a bit of reality.
The same as the palm trees along the see front which everyone said would never last and are still throwing out new leaves as I write this? I'm all for things that make the seafront a more vibrant place and don't involve chips, hamburgers and more tarmac. So long as the Alexandra Yacht Club - who, when this was first announced some weeks ago, stand to loose their jetty then I think this is worth doing.
[quote][p][bold]SARFENDMAN[/bold] wrote: Love the tropical image of thriving palm trees, sun kissed quiet manicured sandy beaches with blue skies and blue water. Love a bit of reality.[/p][/quote]The same as the palm trees along the see front which everyone said would never last and are still throwing out new leaves as I write this? I'm all for things that make the seafront a more vibrant place and don't involve chips, hamburgers and more tarmac. So long as the Alexandra Yacht Club - who, when this was first announced some weeks ago, stand to loose their jetty then I think this is worth doing. MHWoods
  • Score: 1

10:13am Sat 8 Mar 14

tezzason1 says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
It'll be a seething sess pit within one summer month,
How so? The construction will not just be a pile of rocks holding water in. The seawater will be refreshed when the tide comes in. That is not my opinion, but fact. It will also be designed to allow water to be emptied periodically for cleaning.
Not rocket science.
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: It'll be a seething sess pit within one summer month,[/p][/quote]How so? The construction will not just be a pile of rocks holding water in. The seawater will be refreshed when the tide comes in. That is not my opinion, but fact. It will also be designed to allow water to be emptied periodically for cleaning. Not rocket science. tezzason1
  • Score: 1

10:18am Sat 8 Mar 14

tezzason1 says...

DonaldUnpleasance wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
reading these posts says it all really.... some tacky, chavy, fake lagoon being described as an 'improvement' to draw in the dross from far and wide, to get the those 3 shells tills a ringin.....
You missed out ".......at public expense".
Perhaps I misread the story. Southend rate payers are not footing the bill?
[quote][p][bold]DonaldUnpleasance[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: reading these posts says it all really.... some tacky, chavy, fake lagoon being described as an 'improvement' to draw in the dross from far and wide, to get the those 3 shells tills a ringin.....[/p][/quote]You missed out ".......at public expense".[/p][/quote]Perhaps I misread the story. Southend rate payers are not footing the bill? tezzason1
  • Score: 0

10:30am Sat 8 Mar 14

tezzason1 says...

whateverhappened wrote:
SARFENDMAN wrote:
Love the tropical image of thriving palm trees, sun kissed quiet manicured sandy beaches with blue skies and blue water. Love a bit of reality.
That's right, and apparently that image only shows what it will look like in feburary.Can't wait till august it will be like living in st lucia
Why not Palm trees? There are fifteen species of Palm trees that can grow in colder climates. As in snow on their fronds and some can handle below freezing. temperatures. Down to minus 10 deg.
[quote][p][bold]whateverhappened[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SARFENDMAN[/bold] wrote: Love the tropical image of thriving palm trees, sun kissed quiet manicured sandy beaches with blue skies and blue water. Love a bit of reality.[/p][/quote]That's right, and apparently that image only shows what it will look like in feburary.Can't wait till august it will be like living in st lucia[/p][/quote]Why not Palm trees? There are fifteen species of Palm trees that can grow in colder climates. As in snow on their fronds and some can handle below freezing. temperatures. Down to minus 10 deg. tezzason1
  • Score: 2

10:46am Sat 8 Mar 14

pembury53 says...

Kursaal76 wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
Kursaal76 wrote:
emcee wrote: Hmmm... a rather half-hearted attempt to make part of Southend seafront look like a tropical paradise, something, for many reasons, it will never ever be. I fear this project could end up looking (as the picture already seems to indicate) a tad tacky. Still, any old rubbish to spend free money the Government are happy to throw about (even though they seem to coninually bleet that there is no money). Surely there are wiser ways to spend this "non-existant" money than spending it on a mere seaside gimmick. I think the priorities are all wrong and the council should be ashamed of accepting this cash to create a handful of new jobs when 49 jobs at the council are going and services are being cut to the hilt. I am all for investment but, as with household finances, surely you should not be throwing money at non essential projects until you can be sure you can meet you current financial obligations.
Stop moaning its free to use and it will bring more people here.
you want more people here ! do you seriously think about what you say, or just trot out the same diatribe of the council and 'local business' ....... it now only takes the briefest glimpse of sunlight, even in the winter and half of essex are queing to get in ..... i would welcome anything that detered people, not encouraged them....
You don't want people here! why the hell are you living in a seaside town then? most of southend rely on the summer months. also I do not trot on about the same stuff. I hardly comment on here!
your clearly not reading, or understanding what i am saying then..... at no point did i say i don't want people here, what i said was there is already more than enough which is not quite the same thing is it ? are you seriously telling me that after a walk along southend seafront in the summer, or even winter these days you feel it's a bit deserted ? my enjoyment of living in this area is not dependent upon car loads of chavs descending upon it week in week out, gridlocking the roads then parking like muppets to avoid paying, moaning about plastic glasses, leaving litter and filth, walking 6 abreast or in the cycle path, etc ect...... so frankly, a few less would still be fine by me
[quote][p][bold]Kursaal76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kursaal76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: Hmmm... a rather half-hearted attempt to make part of Southend seafront look like a tropical paradise, something, for many reasons, it will never ever be. I fear this project could end up looking (as the picture already seems to indicate) a tad tacky. Still, any old rubbish to spend free money the Government are happy to throw about (even though they seem to coninually bleet that there is no money). Surely there are wiser ways to spend this "non-existant" money than spending it on a mere seaside gimmick. I think the priorities are all wrong and the council should be ashamed of accepting this cash to create a handful of new jobs when 49 jobs at the council are going and services are being cut to the hilt. I am all for investment but, as with household finances, surely you should not be throwing money at non essential projects until you can be sure you can meet you current financial obligations.[/p][/quote]Stop moaning its free to use and it will bring more people here.[/p][/quote]you want more people here ! do you seriously think about what you say, or just trot out the same diatribe of the council and 'local business' ....... it now only takes the briefest glimpse of sunlight, even in the winter and half of essex are queing to get in ..... i would welcome anything that detered people, not encouraged them....[/p][/quote]You don't want people here! why the hell are you living in a seaside town then? most of southend rely on the summer months. also I do not trot on about the same stuff. I hardly comment on here![/p][/quote]your clearly not reading, or understanding what i am saying then..... at no point did i say i don't want people here, what i said was there is already more than enough which is not quite the same thing is it ? are you seriously telling me that after a walk along southend seafront in the summer, or even winter these days you feel it's a bit deserted ? my enjoyment of living in this area is not dependent upon car loads of chavs descending upon it week in week out, gridlocking the roads then parking like muppets to avoid paying, moaning about plastic glasses, leaving litter and filth, walking 6 abreast or in the cycle path, etc ect...... so frankly, a few less would still be fine by me pembury53
  • Score: 0

11:15am Sat 8 Mar 14

tezzason1 says...

Joe Clark wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
Kursaal76 wrote:
emcee wrote: Hmmm... a rather half-hearted attempt to make part of Southend seafront look like a tropical paradise, something, for many reasons, it will never ever be. I fear this project could end up looking (as the picture already seems to indicate) a tad tacky. Still, any old rubbish to spend free money the Government are happy to throw about (even though they seem to coninually bleet that there is no money). Surely there are wiser ways to spend this "non-existant" money than spending it on a mere seaside gimmick. I think the priorities are all wrong and the council should be ashamed of accepting this cash to create a handful of new jobs when 49 jobs at the council are going and services are being cut to the hilt. I am all for investment but, as with household finances, surely you should not be throwing money at non essential projects until you can be sure you can meet you current financial obligations.
Stop moaning its free to use and it will bring more people here.
you want more people here ! do you seriously think about what you say, or just trot out the same diatribe of the council and 'local business' ....... it now only takes the briefest glimpse of sunlight, even in the winter and half of essex are queing to get in ..... i would welcome anything that detered people, not encouraged them....
You clearly do not own or work at a place that is dependent on day trippers to carry on trading do you not understand what seaside resorts need to keep going its visitors and here you are wanting to deter people from coming, lets say you got your way and not one person came to town all the arcades closed and were boarded up, Adventure Island closed and become a derelict site, the sealife centre was boarded up and left empty the pier thanks to your vision of no day trippers in Southend is such a millstone it is closed and left to fall into the sea much like West Pier in Brighton is this what you REALLY want to see.

Welcome to pembury53-on Sea we have no jobs, no entertainment, no fun, no attractions, no pier, no nothing if you are planning to visit don't as we don't want you here.

Reality check for pembury53: Standing still is not an option Southend NEEDS day trippers and that's a fact nobody and deny.
Agree. I grew up in Southend and 'Day trippers' coming by rail or bus injected a huge amount of money into the economy in the early 60's. We did have some problems with anti social behaviour with the odd bus load of trippers getting off their face with booze and brawling with locals or the local constabulary. This was nipped in the bud ( and the police will never admit to this) when a young officer was beaten up by a gang of thugs.A riot squad was formed ( what riot squad?). Four burly local thugs were put into uniform. When a fight broke out, they were sent in to shut it down. No special equipment. I watched a police cadet get belted one night on the pier head. About a dozen intoxicated males with their 'birds' . The transit time to the pier head was 7 minutes in those days. it was jam packed and I guesstimate the riot squad arrived in less than 10. Their first action was to break the arm of one of the thugs, quite deliberately and with intent. Right in front of me. The group was escorted off the pier without any further incident. This unofficial squad was around long enough to gain a reputation and mitigate the number of fights on the weekend. This is not a fairy story.
[quote][p][bold]Joe Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kursaal76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: Hmmm... a rather half-hearted attempt to make part of Southend seafront look like a tropical paradise, something, for many reasons, it will never ever be. I fear this project could end up looking (as the picture already seems to indicate) a tad tacky. Still, any old rubbish to spend free money the Government are happy to throw about (even though they seem to coninually bleet that there is no money). Surely there are wiser ways to spend this "non-existant" money than spending it on a mere seaside gimmick. I think the priorities are all wrong and the council should be ashamed of accepting this cash to create a handful of new jobs when 49 jobs at the council are going and services are being cut to the hilt. I am all for investment but, as with household finances, surely you should not be throwing money at non essential projects until you can be sure you can meet you current financial obligations.[/p][/quote]Stop moaning its free to use and it will bring more people here.[/p][/quote]you want more people here ! do you seriously think about what you say, or just trot out the same diatribe of the council and 'local business' ....... it now only takes the briefest glimpse of sunlight, even in the winter and half of essex are queing to get in ..... i would welcome anything that detered people, not encouraged them....[/p][/quote]You clearly do not own or work at a place that is dependent on day trippers to carry on trading do you not understand what seaside resorts need to keep going its visitors and here you are wanting to deter people from coming, lets say you got your way and not one person came to town all the arcades closed and were boarded up, Adventure Island closed and become a derelict site, the sealife centre was boarded up and left empty the pier thanks to your vision of no day trippers in Southend is such a millstone it is closed and left to fall into the sea much like West Pier in Brighton is this what you REALLY want to see. Welcome to pembury53-on Sea we have no jobs, no entertainment, no fun, no attractions, no pier, no nothing if you are planning to visit don't as we don't want you here. Reality check for pembury53: Standing still is not an option Southend NEEDS day trippers and that's a fact nobody and deny.[/p][/quote]Agree. I grew up in Southend and 'Day trippers' coming by rail or bus injected a huge amount of money into the economy in the early 60's. We did have some problems with anti social behaviour with the odd bus load of trippers getting off their face with booze and brawling with locals or the local constabulary. This was nipped in the bud ( and the police will never admit to this) when a young officer was beaten up by a gang of thugs.A riot squad was formed ( what riot squad?). Four burly local thugs were put into uniform. When a fight broke out, they were sent in to shut it down. No special equipment. I watched a police cadet get belted one night on the pier head. About a dozen intoxicated males with their 'birds' . The transit time to the pier head was 7 minutes in those days. it was jam packed and I guesstimate the riot squad arrived in less than 10. Their first action was to break the arm of one of the thugs, quite deliberately and with intent. Right in front of me. The group was escorted off the pier without any further incident. This unofficial squad was around long enough to gain a reputation and mitigate the number of fights on the weekend. This is not a fairy story. tezzason1
  • Score: 1

11:20am Sat 8 Mar 14

tezzason1 says...

The Exorcist wrote:
Then again, it needs to be remembered that it is not a seafront, but rather a riverbank....
Ouch The Exorcist!! I think you might have hurt some peoples feeling here. But then again when I was knee high to a grasshopper, walking out on the mudflats and checking out exotic shells and dead crabs was just as much fun as freezing your nuts off in the water.
[quote][p][bold]The Exorcist[/bold] wrote: Then again, it needs to be remembered that it is not a seafront, but rather a riverbank....[/p][/quote]Ouch The Exorcist!! I think you might have hurt some peoples feeling here. But then again when I was knee high to a grasshopper, walking out on the mudflats and checking out exotic shells and dead crabs was just as much fun as freezing your nuts off in the water. tezzason1
  • Score: 2

3:58pm Sat 8 Mar 14

ThisYear says...

tezzason1 wrote:
Joe Clark wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
Kursaal76 wrote:
emcee wrote: Hmmm... a rather half-hearted attempt to make part of Southend seafront look like a tropical paradise, something, for many reasons, it will never ever be. I fear this project could end up looking (as the picture already seems to indicate) a tad tacky. Still, any old rubbish to spend free money the Government are happy to throw about (even though they seem to coninually bleet that there is no money). Surely there are wiser ways to spend this "non-existant" money than spending it on a mere seaside gimmick. I think the priorities are all wrong and the council should be ashamed of accepting this cash to create a handful of new jobs when 49 jobs at the council are going and services are being cut to the hilt. I am all for investment but, as with household finances, surely you should not be throwing money at non essential projects until you can be sure you can meet you current financial obligations.
Stop moaning its free to use and it will bring more people here.
you want more people here ! do you seriously think about what you say, or just trot out the same diatribe of the council and 'local business' ....... it now only takes the briefest glimpse of sunlight, even in the winter and half of essex are queing to get in ..... i would welcome anything that detered people, not encouraged them....
You clearly do not own or work at a place that is dependent on day trippers to carry on trading do you not understand what seaside resorts need to keep going its visitors and here you are wanting to deter people from coming, lets say you got your way and not one person came to town all the arcades closed and were boarded up, Adventure Island closed and become a derelict site, the sealife centre was boarded up and left empty the pier thanks to your vision of no day trippers in Southend is such a millstone it is closed and left to fall into the sea much like West Pier in Brighton is this what you REALLY want to see.

Welcome to pembury53-on Sea we have no jobs, no entertainment, no fun, no attractions, no pier, no nothing if you are planning to visit don't as we don't want you here.

Reality check for pembury53: Standing still is not an option Southend NEEDS day trippers and that's a fact nobody and deny.
Agree. I grew up in Southend and 'Day trippers' coming by rail or bus injected a huge amount of money into the economy in the early 60's. We did have some problems with anti social behaviour with the odd bus load of trippers getting off their face with booze and brawling with locals or the local constabulary. This was nipped in the bud ( and the police will never admit to this) when a young officer was beaten up by a gang of thugs.A riot squad was formed ( what riot squad?). Four burly local thugs were put into uniform. When a fight broke out, they were sent in to shut it down. No special equipment. I watched a police cadet get belted one night on the pier head. About a dozen intoxicated males with their 'birds' . The transit time to the pier head was 7 minutes in those days. it was jam packed and I guesstimate the riot squad arrived in less than 10. Their first action was to break the arm of one of the thugs, quite deliberately and with intent. Right in front of me. The group was escorted off the pier without any further incident. This unofficial squad was around long enough to gain a reputation and mitigate the number of fights on the weekend. This is not a fairy story.
The police breaking the law to maintain the law?

Star chamber anyone?
[quote][p][bold]tezzason1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joe Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kursaal76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: Hmmm... a rather half-hearted attempt to make part of Southend seafront look like a tropical paradise, something, for many reasons, it will never ever be. I fear this project could end up looking (as the picture already seems to indicate) a tad tacky. Still, any old rubbish to spend free money the Government are happy to throw about (even though they seem to coninually bleet that there is no money). Surely there are wiser ways to spend this "non-existant" money than spending it on a mere seaside gimmick. I think the priorities are all wrong and the council should be ashamed of accepting this cash to create a handful of new jobs when 49 jobs at the council are going and services are being cut to the hilt. I am all for investment but, as with household finances, surely you should not be throwing money at non essential projects until you can be sure you can meet you current financial obligations.[/p][/quote]Stop moaning its free to use and it will bring more people here.[/p][/quote]you want more people here ! do you seriously think about what you say, or just trot out the same diatribe of the council and 'local business' ....... it now only takes the briefest glimpse of sunlight, even in the winter and half of essex are queing to get in ..... i would welcome anything that detered people, not encouraged them....[/p][/quote]You clearly do not own or work at a place that is dependent on day trippers to carry on trading do you not understand what seaside resorts need to keep going its visitors and here you are wanting to deter people from coming, lets say you got your way and not one person came to town all the arcades closed and were boarded up, Adventure Island closed and become a derelict site, the sealife centre was boarded up and left empty the pier thanks to your vision of no day trippers in Southend is such a millstone it is closed and left to fall into the sea much like West Pier in Brighton is this what you REALLY want to see. Welcome to pembury53-on Sea we have no jobs, no entertainment, no fun, no attractions, no pier, no nothing if you are planning to visit don't as we don't want you here. Reality check for pembury53: Standing still is not an option Southend NEEDS day trippers and that's a fact nobody and deny.[/p][/quote]Agree. I grew up in Southend and 'Day trippers' coming by rail or bus injected a huge amount of money into the economy in the early 60's. We did have some problems with anti social behaviour with the odd bus load of trippers getting off their face with booze and brawling with locals or the local constabulary. This was nipped in the bud ( and the police will never admit to this) when a young officer was beaten up by a gang of thugs.A riot squad was formed ( what riot squad?). Four burly local thugs were put into uniform. When a fight broke out, they were sent in to shut it down. No special equipment. I watched a police cadet get belted one night on the pier head. About a dozen intoxicated males with their 'birds' . The transit time to the pier head was 7 minutes in those days. it was jam packed and I guesstimate the riot squad arrived in less than 10. Their first action was to break the arm of one of the thugs, quite deliberately and with intent. Right in front of me. The group was escorted off the pier without any further incident. This unofficial squad was around long enough to gain a reputation and mitigate the number of fights on the weekend. This is not a fairy story.[/p][/quote]The police breaking the law to maintain the law? Star chamber anyone? ThisYear
  • Score: 0

4:01pm Sat 8 Mar 14

ThisYear says...

DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
Joe Clark wrote:
DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
Joe Clark wrote:
DannyK86 wrote:
DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
openspace wrote:
It seems that any improvement to the seafront is an open invitation to the moaners and whiners to put in an appearance.
The seafront is better now than it ever has been, take the time to ask people who actually use , not just sit at home and moan about it. People, get a life, get out more and enjoy
we live here, we use it.

the shared space has received much negative comment.
the pier always gets negative comment
the cycle path gets much negative comment.
The fancy light poles got negative comment, sure theres more...

personally i prefer a traditional seafront, nothing wrong in old style prom, nice railings, clean and tidy, planters, flower displays, palms and traditional seafront lighting and not over flowing bins, way too much dull concrete now and crap lighting.
Great - shall we just go the way of Hastings, Bridlington, Skegness and other crumbling resorts with just traditional promenades and tacky amusements, attracting declining visitor numbers?

Let's be honest - close to London, Brighton does the traditional resort very well, with a bit of a quirky twist, and even flippin' Margate is trying to do something new, with its Turner Gallery. Southend needs to bring in new things too, and for every whinger wanting to bury their head in the sand and pretend it's still the 60s, there will be people that appreciate the fountains and light poles.
These people that want to live in the 60's would they go the whole hog and give up ALL modern day living?

All the advances in health care?

Big screen TV's?

Computers?

The Internet?

The pollution free seafront?

or do they just pick and choose what parts of the 60's they want to live in and keep a tight firm hold on modern day luxuries, actually stupid question as well all know the answer to that, they WILL pick and choose and NOT go the hole hog.

Clearly some people would be happy to see Southend stand still and stagnate and turn into a Margate a town that fell so very very far that it is taking £millions to try and turn the decay around where as Southend nipped it in the bud before the rot truly set in and with a brave leap jumped in to a modernisation programme that has seen people flocking back and long may that continue.
its not about the 60's or Margate...its about traditional seafronts, its possible to have that in 2014 and be successful, it don't have to be all city beach concrete slabs and LED pylons that don't all light up.
Are you also against the jobs it WILL create?
where did i say i was against it..?
and any idea what 8 permanent jobs will be..? i mean its a sea water pool, what will 8 employees be doing.?
Perhaps you could get them clearing up any imagined dog-muck that seems to haunt your mind?
[quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joe Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joe Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DannyK86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]openspace[/bold] wrote: It seems that any improvement to the seafront is an open invitation to the moaners and whiners to put in an appearance. The seafront is better now than it ever has been, take the time to ask people who actually use , not just sit at home and moan about it. People, get a life, get out more and enjoy[/p][/quote]we live here, we use it. the shared space has received much negative comment. the pier always gets negative comment the cycle path gets much negative comment. The fancy light poles got negative comment, sure theres more... personally i prefer a traditional seafront, nothing wrong in old style prom, nice railings, clean and tidy, planters, flower displays, palms and traditional seafront lighting and not over flowing bins, way too much dull concrete now and crap lighting.[/p][/quote]Great - shall we just go the way of Hastings, Bridlington, Skegness and other crumbling resorts with just traditional promenades and tacky amusements, attracting declining visitor numbers? Let's be honest - close to London, Brighton does the traditional resort very well, with a bit of a quirky twist, and even flippin' Margate is trying to do something new, with its Turner Gallery. Southend needs to bring in new things too, and for every whinger wanting to bury their head in the sand and pretend it's still the 60s, there will be people that appreciate the fountains and light poles.[/p][/quote]These people that want to live in the 60's would they go the whole hog and give up ALL modern day living? All the advances in health care? Big screen TV's? Computers? The Internet? The pollution free seafront? or do they just pick and choose what parts of the 60's they want to live in and keep a tight firm hold on modern day luxuries, actually stupid question as well all know the answer to that, they WILL pick and choose and NOT go the hole hog. Clearly some people would be happy to see Southend stand still and stagnate and turn into a Margate a town that fell so very very far that it is taking £millions to try and turn the decay around where as Southend nipped it in the bud before the rot truly set in and with a brave leap jumped in to a modernisation programme that has seen people flocking back and long may that continue.[/p][/quote]its not about the 60's or Margate...its about traditional seafronts, its possible to have that in 2014 and be successful, it don't have to be all city beach concrete slabs and LED pylons that don't all light up.[/p][/quote]Are you also against the jobs it WILL create?[/p][/quote]where did i say i was against it..? and any idea what 8 permanent jobs will be..? i mean its a sea water pool, what will 8 employees be doing.?[/p][/quote]Perhaps you could get them clearing up any imagined dog-muck that seems to haunt your mind? ThisYear
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5:18pm Sat 8 Mar 14

Bolloximian says...

When the tide goes out the semi bouyant flotsam of the Thames estuary (toilet paper, turds and the like) will become trapped within the walls of the lagoon and slowly sink to the bottom before the tide comes back in again. Give it a year or two and Southend will not only have the longest pier but also the biggest on-shore toilet to boast of.
When the tide goes out the semi bouyant flotsam of the Thames estuary (toilet paper, turds and the like) will become trapped within the walls of the lagoon and slowly sink to the bottom before the tide comes back in again. Give it a year or two and Southend will not only have the longest pier but also the biggest on-shore toilet to boast of. Bolloximian
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5:39pm Sat 8 Mar 14

jantone says...

Why does all the negative comments not surprise me!! all you moaners obviously want Southend to remain an old fashioned victorian town with nothing nice about it to attract daytrippers!!
The plans for a lagoon is fantastic, it looks great & it will be a GIGANTIC attraction!! Who said that the fountains would be a "flop"? Count how many kids & adults go there in the summer, hundreds of them all enjoying themselves, & these same people will also use the new lagoon.
Let's hope that Phil Miller will get permission for the extended Sea Life Centre & also for the indoor play area!!
Why does all the negative comments not surprise me!! all you moaners obviously want Southend to remain an old fashioned victorian town with nothing nice about it to attract daytrippers!! The plans for a lagoon is fantastic, it looks great & it will be a GIGANTIC attraction!! Who said that the fountains would be a "flop"? Count how many kids & adults go there in the summer, hundreds of them all enjoying themselves, & these same people will also use the new lagoon. Let's hope that Phil Miller will get permission for the extended Sea Life Centre & also for the indoor play area!! jantone
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6:42pm Sat 8 Mar 14

Sybian Sue says...

Not too far from London Town and the rain
It's really very nice to be home again
Mary Jane met the Coconut Airplane
Now I know she loves me so

Oh, I'm going to Southend Seafront
Oh, back to the palm trees
Oh, I'm going to see my girl friend
Oh, in the sunny Thames Estuary
Not too far from London Town and the rain It's really very nice to be home again Mary Jane met the Coconut Airplane Now I know she loves me so Oh, I'm going to Southend Seafront Oh, back to the palm trees Oh, I'm going to see my girl friend Oh, in the sunny Thames Estuary Sybian Sue
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7:21pm Sun 9 Mar 14

BinDipper says...

This won't look quite as pretty when it is absolutely rammed full of kids all summer just like Three Shells beach.
This won't look quite as pretty when it is absolutely rammed full of kids all summer just like Three Shells beach. BinDipper
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5:44pm Mon 10 Mar 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

Bolloximian wrote:
When the tide goes out the semi bouyant flotsam of the Thames estuary (toilet paper, turds and the like) will become trapped within the walls of the lagoon and slowly sink to the bottom before the tide comes back in again. Give it a year or two and Southend will not only have the longest pier but also the biggest on-shore toilet to boast of.
Thank God it's not off Leigh, Southend can have it.
[quote][p][bold]Bolloximian[/bold] wrote: When the tide goes out the semi bouyant flotsam of the Thames estuary (toilet paper, turds and the like) will become trapped within the walls of the lagoon and slowly sink to the bottom before the tide comes back in again. Give it a year or two and Southend will not only have the longest pier but also the biggest on-shore toilet to boast of.[/p][/quote]Thank God it's not off Leigh, Southend can have it. carnmountyouknowitmakessense
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10:19am Tue 11 Mar 14

cg1blue says...

BinDipper wrote:
This won't look quite as pretty when it is absolutely rammed full of kids all summer just like Three Shells beach.
Rammed full of kids all having fun and making memories for life (the same way I have fond and distant memories of Never Never Land in 1970s Southend). Never forget you were a kid once......
[quote][p][bold]BinDipper[/bold] wrote: This won't look quite as pretty when it is absolutely rammed full of kids all summer just like Three Shells beach.[/p][/quote]Rammed full of kids all having fun and making memories for life (the same way I have fond and distant memories of Never Never Land in 1970s Southend). Never forget you were a kid once...... cg1blue
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1:33pm Thu 13 Mar 14

BarryTanner says...

Bolloximian wrote:
When the tide goes out the semi bouyant flotsam of the Thames estuary (toilet paper, turds and the like) will become trapped within the walls of the lagoon and slowly sink to the bottom before the tide comes back in again. Give it a year or two and Southend will not only have the longest pier but also the biggest on-shore toilet to boast of.
Guinness Book of World records here we come.......
[quote][p][bold]Bolloximian[/bold] wrote: When the tide goes out the semi bouyant flotsam of the Thames estuary (toilet paper, turds and the like) will become trapped within the walls of the lagoon and slowly sink to the bottom before the tide comes back in again. Give it a year or two and Southend will not only have the longest pier but also the biggest on-shore toilet to boast of.[/p][/quote]Guinness Book of World records here we come....... BarryTanner
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