Stansted expansion ruled out but door is still open on new hub in Thames Estuary

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EXPANSION at Stansted Airport has been ruled out by a Government-appointed commission but the door is still open on a new hub in the Thames Estuary.

A new, third, runway at Heathrow moved a step closer when the  commission chose the west London airport as one of its expansion options.

In an interim report, the Airports Commission, headed by former Financial Services Authority chief Sir Howard Davies, also put an extra, second, runway at Gatwick airport in West Sussex on to its short list.

In addition, Sir Howard's team did not rule out a Thames Estuary airport scheme, favoured by London mayor Boris Johnson, with the commission saying it will look further at the Isle of Grain airport option in the first half of next year.

But the commission has not shortlisted proposals for expansion at either Stansted airport in Essex or at Birmingham Airport.

The commission said it had concluded "there is a need for one net additional runway to be in operation in the South East by 2030".

It added that its analysis also indicated "that there is likely to be a demand case for a second additional runway to be operational by 2050".

Sir Howard's team said it would be taking forward for further detailed study proposals for new runways at two locations:

  • Gatwick: Gatwick Airport Ltd's proposal for a new runway to the south of the existing runway;
  • Heathrow (two options): Heathrow Airport Ltd's proposal for one new 3,500-metre (11,500ft) runway to the north west and Heathrow Hub's proposal to extend the existing northern runway to at least 6,000 metres (20,000ft), enabling the extended runway to operate as two independent runways.

Today, the commission said it had not shortlisted any of the Thames Estuary options "because there are too many uncertainties and challenges surrounding them at this stage".

It said it would undertake further study of the Isle of Grain option in the first half of 2014 and "will reach a view later next year on whether that option offers a credible proposal for consideration alongside the other shortlisted options".

Sir Howard's team also said that there was likely to be a case for considering Stansted and Birmingham as potential options for any second new runway by 2050.

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10:01am Tue 17 Dec 13

max zorin says...

maybe we don't want an airport in the thames estuary.
maybe we don't want an airport in the thames estuary. max zorin

10:20am Tue 17 Dec 13

Howard Cháse says...

How about still building an I sland in The Thames but instead of using it for an air hub build thirty thousand houses on it thus sparing what little is left of our local precious green belt?
How about still building an I sland in The Thames but instead of using it for an air hub build thirty thousand houses on it thus sparing what little is left of our local precious green belt? Howard Cháse

11:48am Tue 17 Dec 13

eurodoomed says...

Boris Island was always a nonsense, as the economy of West London would have been devastated if Heathrow were to have closed, and there would be no point of building one runway in the estuary, at ludicrous cost
Boris Island would have been an environmental catastrophe.
The report has said that it will look at the island suggestion (and almost certainly reject it) next year, but this is clearly to try to keep Boris quiet.
Stansted was also clearly a red herring, as transport links are so poor, with no proposal in sight to reopen the Witham to Bishops Stortford line, which would have made irt a better option for travellewrs from Essex, East Suffolk and Norfolk.
Time now to move on and get on with developing Heathrow, and possiby Gatwick. Why not a runway at each?
Boris Island was always a nonsense, as the economy of West London would have been devastated if Heathrow were to have closed, and there would be no point of building one runway in the estuary, at ludicrous cost Boris Island would have been an environmental catastrophe. The report has said that it will look at the island suggestion (and almost certainly reject it) next year, but this is clearly to try to keep Boris quiet. Stansted was also clearly a red herring, as transport links are so poor, with no proposal in sight to reopen the Witham to Bishops Stortford line, which would have made irt a better option for travellewrs from Essex, East Suffolk and Norfolk. Time now to move on and get on with developing Heathrow, and possiby Gatwick. Why not a runway at each? eurodoomed

12:10pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Checkout says...

Nothing will ever be done of course, there will be no new runways at any airport anywhere near London. Much hot air will undoubtedly be expended by our cretinous politicians as Heathrow slowly sinks in stature and importance, Already behind Berlin, Paris, Madrid and Amsterdam, it will atrophy and so might our economy as a result. 2030 will come and go and the same old arguments will still be extant.
Santa, please bring us some decent leaders for Christmas.
Nothing will ever be done of course, there will be no new runways at any airport anywhere near London. Much hot air will undoubtedly be expended by our cretinous politicians as Heathrow slowly sinks in stature and importance, Already behind Berlin, Paris, Madrid and Amsterdam, it will atrophy and so might our economy as a result. 2030 will come and go and the same old arguments will still be extant. Santa, please bring us some decent leaders for Christmas. Checkout

1:12pm Tue 17 Dec 13

stevedawson says...

The decision is a poor one for our area.The jobs that would have been created making stanstead a hub airport would have been a god send.Still the selfish nimbys in their insular little world will be jumping for joy.sad.
The decision is a poor one for our area.The jobs that would have been created making stanstead a hub airport would have been a god send.Still the selfish nimbys in their insular little world will be jumping for joy.sad. stevedawson

1:14pm Tue 17 Dec 13

TheCaptain says...

Checkout wrote:
Nothing will ever be done of course, there will be no new runways at any airport anywhere near London. Much hot air will undoubtedly be expended by our cretinous politicians as Heathrow slowly sinks in stature and importance, Already behind Berlin, Paris, Madrid and Amsterdam, it will atrophy and so might our economy as a result. 2030 will come and go and the same old arguments will still be extant.
Santa, please bring us some decent leaders for Christmas.
Not sure how you come to that conclusion. Heathrow is the third busiest airport in the world and Europes busiest. Berlin doesn't even make the worlds top 50
[quote][p][bold]Checkout[/bold] wrote: Nothing will ever be done of course, there will be no new runways at any airport anywhere near London. Much hot air will undoubtedly be expended by our cretinous politicians as Heathrow slowly sinks in stature and importance, Already behind Berlin, Paris, Madrid and Amsterdam, it will atrophy and so might our economy as a result. 2030 will come and go and the same old arguments will still be extant. Santa, please bring us some decent leaders for Christmas.[/p][/quote]Not sure how you come to that conclusion. Heathrow is the third busiest airport in the world and Europes busiest. Berlin doesn't even make the worlds top 50 TheCaptain

1:15pm Tue 17 Dec 13

pembury53 says...

I'm not convinced by all this 'capacity crisis' talk........ how much airport capacity is taken up by cheap flights ? It's cheaper to fly to spain than get a taxi for a few miles, so its little wonder there is so much demand.....if people had to pay a realistic price to fly (i.e. the same taxes applied to aviation) then you would see how much demand there really is.... all that's going to happen here is a new runway somewhere, probably heathrow, and then a couple of years later they'll be talking about the need for yet another one..... how many airports does london actually need ?
I'm not convinced by all this 'capacity crisis' talk........ how much airport capacity is taken up by cheap flights ? It's cheaper to fly to spain than get a taxi for a few miles, so its little wonder there is so much demand.....if people had to pay a realistic price to fly (i.e. the same taxes applied to aviation) then you would see how much demand there really is.... all that's going to happen here is a new runway somewhere, probably heathrow, and then a couple of years later they'll be talking about the need for yet another one..... how many airports does london actually need ? pembury53

1:16pm Tue 17 Dec 13

emcee says...

max zorin wrote:
maybe we don't want an airport in the thames estuary.
It's not about want. You may not want an airport in the Estuary, others will not want an extra runway at Heathrow or Gatwick. However, need is going to supercede want and there are going to be some unhappy people and environmental impact wherever you put the new runway capacity, so people better start getting used to the idea.
[quote][p][bold]max zorin[/bold] wrote: maybe we don't want an airport in the thames estuary.[/p][/quote]It's not about want. You may not want an airport in the Estuary, others will not want an extra runway at Heathrow or Gatwick. However, need is going to supercede want and there are going to be some unhappy people and environmental impact wherever you put the new runway capacity, so people better start getting used to the idea. emcee

5:17pm Tue 17 Dec 13

John T Pharro says...

stevedawson wrote:
The decision is a poor one for our area.The jobs that would have been created making stanstead a hub airport would have been a god send.Still the selfish nimbys in their insular little world will be jumping for joy.sad.
How on earth do you come to the conclusion it is bad for our area? The jobs would be in Kent. Barmy Boris has Heathrow where he is Mayor of. Votes are the real reason why he is so anti building at Heathrow. He couldn't care less about anyone living or affected anywhere else other than where he is Mayor. Just how much tax payers money has been squandered on these preposterous proposals? Barmy Boris is looked on as the Tory leader. If that happens that should ensure another flood of votes to UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]stevedawson[/bold] wrote: The decision is a poor one for our area.The jobs that would have been created making stanstead a hub airport would have been a god send.Still the selfish nimbys in their insular little world will be jumping for joy.sad.[/p][/quote]How on earth do you come to the conclusion it is bad for our area? The jobs would be in Kent. Barmy Boris has Heathrow where he is Mayor of. Votes are the real reason why he is so anti building at Heathrow. He couldn't care less about anyone living or affected anywhere else other than where he is Mayor. Just how much tax payers money has been squandered on these preposterous proposals? Barmy Boris is looked on as the Tory leader. If that happens that should ensure another flood of votes to UKIP. John T Pharro

5:25pm Tue 17 Dec 13

John T Pharro says...

John T Pharro wrote:
stevedawson wrote:
The decision is a poor one for our area.The jobs that would have been created making stanstead a hub airport would have been a god send.Still the selfish nimbys in their insular little world will be jumping for joy.sad.
How on earth do you come to the conclusion it is bad for our area? The jobs would be in Kent. Barmy Boris has Heathrow where he is Mayor of. Votes are the real reason why he is so anti building at Heathrow. He couldn't care less about anyone living or affected anywhere else other than where he is Mayor. Just how much tax payers money has been squandered on these preposterous proposals? Barmy Boris is looked on as the Tory leader. If that happens that should ensure another flood of votes to UKIP.
Ps. Only reason for delay on decision on Thames Airport couldn't possible be because are not the London Mayor elections in May 2014? After all by leaving the Grain Airport for further consideration means Barmy Boris can still include in his election manifesto.
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevedawson[/bold] wrote: The decision is a poor one for our area.The jobs that would have been created making stanstead a hub airport would have been a god send.Still the selfish nimbys in their insular little world will be jumping for joy.sad.[/p][/quote]How on earth do you come to the conclusion it is bad for our area? The jobs would be in Kent. Barmy Boris has Heathrow where he is Mayor of. Votes are the real reason why he is so anti building at Heathrow. He couldn't care less about anyone living or affected anywhere else other than where he is Mayor. Just how much tax payers money has been squandered on these preposterous proposals? Barmy Boris is looked on as the Tory leader. If that happens that should ensure another flood of votes to UKIP.[/p][/quote]Ps. Only reason for delay on decision on Thames Airport couldn't possible be because are not the London Mayor elections in May 2014? After all by leaving the Grain Airport for further consideration means Barmy Boris can still include in his election manifesto. John T Pharro

7:43pm Tue 17 Dec 13

GrumpyofLeigh says...

There is no shortage of capacity - its just in the wrong place. Kick domestic and holiday flights out of Heathrow and the problem is solved: make it a business **** Club Class - hub only.
There is no shortage of capacity - its just in the wrong place. Kick domestic and holiday flights out of Heathrow and the problem is solved: make it a business **** Club Class - hub only. GrumpyofLeigh

7:44pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Joe Clark says...

Both proposals for the Thames Estuary are very much pie in the sky proposals that will cost over £120billion (each) you are looking at 10 years of planning and court cases and another 15 years to build, ignore Boris stating 7 years to build that is pure bonkers, people say all flight will land and take off over the sea, so will these aircraft never turn.

There are over 100,000 sea birds passing through the Thames Estuary each and every year, the sea mists would cause major disruption the environmental impacts would devastate a SSSI, the flood defences on the North side of Kent and Southend would need to be increased as the narrowing of the Estuary would increase the height of the tides as the same volume of water would still pass but it would be through a narrower gap, this would also increase the speed of the tide thus increasing erosion along the foreshore, this could undermine the structural stability of the pier. The light and noise pollution would be greatly increased for Southend.

Only bonkers people would support such a numpty plan.

Best option cut all or 50% of domestic flights at Heathrow and send them to RAF Northolt with a dedicated underground service to Heathrow and the City, if not Northolt farm these flights out to regional airport across the Southeast, giving priority funding to routes that serve these satellite airports.
Both proposals for the Thames Estuary are very much pie in the sky proposals that will cost over £120billion (each) you are looking at 10 years of planning and court cases and another 15 years to build, ignore Boris stating 7 years to build that is pure bonkers, people say all flight will land and take off over the sea, so will these aircraft never turn. There are over 100,000 sea birds passing through the Thames Estuary each and every year, the sea mists would cause major disruption the environmental impacts would devastate a SSSI, the flood defences on the North side of Kent and Southend would need to be increased as the narrowing of the Estuary would increase the height of the tides as the same volume of water would still pass but it would be through a narrower gap, this would also increase the speed of the tide thus increasing erosion along the foreshore, this could undermine the structural stability of the pier. The light and noise pollution would be greatly increased for Southend. Only bonkers people would support such a numpty plan. Best option cut all or 50% of domestic flights at Heathrow and send them to RAF Northolt with a dedicated underground service to Heathrow and the City, if not Northolt farm these flights out to regional airport across the Southeast, giving priority funding to routes that serve these satellite airports. Joe Clark

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