Single-mum-of-eight tries to get off benefits...but is scuppered by thieves (From Southend Standard)

wish i could save up two grand in three months i only work 6 days a week though

Well done Naomi for trying to start your own business. I hope the van and thieves are found and you can get back on track soon.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Well done Naomi for trying to start your own business. I hope the van and thieves are found and you can get back on track soon.

Hear, Hear, I agree.

"sbuying"

Paper of the year, more like comic of the year.

I have nothing against this Lady but that fact is she saved up £2000 in 8 weeks & that clearly shows benefit payments are to high.

"but I’ve got no choice but to work because of the benefit cuts coming in this April"

I that sums up was so many are moaning. They are being forced to earn their own way.

supermadmax wrote:
"sbuying" Paper of the year, more like comic of the year. I have nothing against this Lady but that fact is she saved up £2000 in 8 weeks & that clearly shows benefit payments are to high. "but I’ve got no choice but to work because of the benefit cuts coming in this April" I that sums up was so many are moaning. They are being forced to earn their own way.

Interesting how we cannot comment on the 'Newspaper of the year' story - wonder what the others must have been like. Either that or the judges are not concerned with spelling and grammar...

Although as Jon Austin won in his categories over others, maybe they are.

Anyway, She saved up £2,000 of her wages. As soon as she went back to work, her benefits would have been cut back to a minimum, depending on what she was earning.

If she's scrimped and saved to start her own business, then I seriously hope the thieves are caught, and the van returned. If only others were this determined.

Cry me a river

The Evening Echo is actually a decent news paper always has been imo(those that always complain why even bother to read it on here) and i used to deliver it as a lad even earning up to £7 a week on a very very good week with tips(yes it was many moons ago), a good learning curve collecting weekly payments, sorting out your own wages and cashing up on a Friday round the local reps house.

anyway...Burgers.

Whilst I admire and support anybody who does something to get off benefits and back to work, this story does not exactly show this lady as a shining example of that. It may well be because it is badly written, but… “She said: “I wanted to work, but I’ve got no choice but to work because of the benefit cuts coming in this April, I wouldn’t survive.”… rather gives the impression she was quite happy taking the benefits and only got a job because she would lose them.
None of this detracts from the point that whatever the circumstances I hope the thieving oiks a caught and the van recovered.

She has the van back now. in yesterdays Echo! Good luck Naomi.

How was this photo taken, if the van had been stolen?

Noteworthy wrote:

supermadmax wrote:
"sbuying" Paper of the year, more like comic of the year. I have nothing against this Lady but that fact is she saved up £2000 in 8 weeks & that clearly shows benefit payments are to high. "but I’ve got no choice but to work because of the benefit cuts coming in this April" I that sums up was so many are moaning. They are being forced to earn their own way.

Interesting how we cannot comment on the 'Newspaper of the year' story - wonder what the others must have been like. Either that or the judges are not concerned with spelling and grammar...

Although as Jon Austin won in his categories over others, maybe they are.

Anyway, She saved up £2,000 of her wages. As soon as she went back to work, her benefits would have been cut back to a minimum, depending on what she was earning.

If she's scrimped and saved to start her own business, then I seriously hope the thieves are caught, and the van returned. If only others were this determined.

'Interesting how we cannot comment on the 'Newspaper of the year' story'

censoring our right to comment; is a comment on the Echo.

DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
The Evening Echo is actually a decent news paper always has been imo(those that always complain why even bother to read it on here) and i used to deliver it as a lad even earning up to £7 a week on a very very good week with tips(yes it was many moons ago), a good learning curve collecting weekly payments, sorting out your own wages and cashing up on a Friday round the local reps house. anyway...Burgers.

I do read it every now and then - but all I read is sensationalist stories about doom and gloom in the area. That and the terrible spelling and grammar.

It was good many moons ago, I remember it, and I used to deliver its free spin off, the Standard Recorder (in the day when it was around 70 odd pages, not 16!). Unfortunately standards seem to have slipped. Work is not being proofed, and silly mistakes creep through. In addition, the sensationalist headlines and 'scoops' should be reserved for a tabloid, not a local paper.

Sausages

Hope she has declared to the benefits dept. her obvious healthy bank account.
I can see an investigation over this, afterall has she been working cash in hand, and claiming? I think so, which is one of the reasons the government, has drawn up these massive changes to the whole benefit issue..

HOW terribly annoying to lose your Burger Business so soon after the Horse meat scandal takes off. Whatever the insurance company would have given as a compo payout would not have covered the heartache and ongoing debt and disaster from a failing business in a much declining market.
Shame she got it back really.

Carnabackable wrote:
Hope she has declared to the benefits dept. her obvious healthy bank account. I can see an investigation over this, afterall has she been working cash in hand, and claiming? I think so, which is one of the reasons the government, has drawn up these massive changes to the whole benefit issue..

I didn't think Asda did 'cash in hand'

Noteworthy wrote:

DogsMessInLeigh wrote: The Evening Echo is actually a decent news paper always has been imo(those that always complain why even bother to read it on here) and i used to deliver it as a lad even earning up to £7 a week on a very very good week with tips(yes it was many moons ago), a good learning curve collecting weekly payments, sorting out your own wages and cashing up on a Friday round the local reps house. anyway...Burgers.

I do read it every now and then - but all I read is sensationalist stories about doom and gloom in the area. That and the terrible spelling and grammar. It was good many moons ago, I remember it, and I used to deliver its free spin off, the Standard Recorder (in the day when it was around 70 odd pages, not 16!). Unfortunately standards seem to have slipped. Work is not being proofed, and silly mistakes creep through. In addition, the sensationalist headlines and 'scoops' should be reserved for a tabloid, not a local paper. Sausages

Just to back this point up - Yesterday I emailed the Echo, suggesting they run a story about the upcoming one month closures of each slip road on the Stanford-le-Hope junction of the A13.

To be honest I'm surprised they haven't covered it already - it was made known by Murphy about a fortnight ago, certainly something I'd expect to see in a local award winning paper - local news that benefits residents by warning them of impending delays, giving enough time to find alternative routes.

The closures start on Sunday, with the London-bound exit slip closed for 4 weeks, 24/7. If they don't run a warning story, what's the bet they'll run one along the lines of 'moaning motorists complain about roadwork delays'...

They've been told!

You dont have 8 children unless you are in a financially viable position to support them.

It's called 'family planning' for a reason Naomi.

It's very irresponsible to both your family and the state.

I also find it very surprising you are able to save £2000 in just three months whilst being a single parent having to support eight offspring either whilst on benefits or in low paid supermarket employment.
(What your secret? I'm earning an above average salary and wouldnt be able to amass such a windfall so rapidly?)

It's funny isnt it, when people are threatened with a benefit cut, they are suddenly able to find employment/income.

Unbelievable. Someone is doing the right thing, making the effort to support themselves and their family, and the right-wing loons are still having a go at them.

Seems the poor, the unemployed, the low-paid are d@mned if they do and d@amned if they don't on this website.

Still, it exposes the negative posters for what they are, small-mined, prejudiced, and bigoted towards anyone with less than they have.

Sir Peter Pantsless the 3rd wrote:
You dont have 8 children unless you are in a financially viable position to support them. It's called 'family planning' for a reason Naomi. It's very irresponsible to both your family and the state. I also find it very surprising you are able to save £2000 in just three months whilst being a single parent having to support eight offspring either whilst on benefits or in low paid supermarket employment. (What your secret? I'm earning an above average salary and wouldnt be able to amass such a windfall so rapidly?) It's funny isnt it, when people are threatened with a benefit cut, they are suddenly able to find employment/income.

She will still have been earning some benefits while working - topping up her wage. Housing benefit (help not the full amount), tax credits, child benefit would be roughly £90 a week etc.

So Naiomi could quite happily have lived on that. Instead, she's saved some money (it doesn't say in the story it was her wages, it was probably her income in general), to get herself her own business.

Sir Peter Pantsless the 3rd wrote:
You dont have 8 children unless you are in a financially viable position to support them.

It's called 'family planning' for a reason Naomi.

It's very irresponsible to both your family and the state.

I also find it very surprising you are able to save £2000 in just three months whilst being a single parent having to support eight offspring either whilst on benefits or in low paid supermarket employment.
(What your secret? I'm earning an above average salary and wouldnt be able to amass such a windfall so rapidly?)

It's funny isnt it, when people are threatened with a benefit cut, they are suddenly able to find employment/income.

Couldn't agree more, and does this lady really think that with a burger van she will earn enough to keep eight kids and pay her way.... I doubt it!

Perhaps she is hoping some kind soul will offer to lend her hand, hard luck story, kind hearts and all that!

Perhaps the best person to help support her family might be the father of her eight children/

presumably square one is sucking the taxpayer dry

She was out of work and on benefits for 15 years. Judging by the ages of the kids, they all appear to have been conceived during that time. I have little sympathy.

Shoebury_Cyclist A rather tired and typical left wing response to anyone that doesn't share your namby pamby views eh??, we're all bigots and small minded.(or mined as you put?). Smear and smear again anyone who doesn't bleat on about how vulnerable people are and how we've got to help everybody?.

Most poor, unemployed and low paid people want only to better themselves (through work or education), rather than be trapped by benefits that keep them in poverty, What we need is more encouragement of the commendable entrepreneurial spirit she has shown rather than a smear campaign. However as a low paid worker myself I wish my taxes had been spent on infrastructure/ education / nhs etc, rather than a 15 year scrounger like her. You cannot get away from the fact that she has had 8 (yes eight!!) children whilst receiving benefit and she has said she is only coming off those benefits due to the looming benefit cap. Champagne Scocialists have destroyed this once great country with their simpering and interfering views and their need to start 2 illegal wars whilst smearing anyone that doesn't share their view. Get over yourself and stop labelling people as bigots or racists. Left wing fascism is STILL fascism.

Ah balls to the negative comments.

Good for her for getting a job, good for her for wanting to better herself.

Hope she succeeds.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Unbelievable. Someone is doing the right thing, making the effort to support themselves and their family, and the right-wing loons are still having a go at them.

Seems the poor, the unemployed, the low-paid are d@mned if they do and d@amned if they don't on this website.

Still, it exposes the negative posters for what they are, small-mined, prejudiced, and bigoted towards anyone with less than they have.

You really do live in cloud cuckoo land.
one day you will wake up and see how
gullible you are,I did.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Unbelievable. Someone is doing the right thing, making the effort to support themselves and their family, and the right-wing loons are still having a go at them.

Seems the poor, the unemployed, the low-paid are d@mned if they do and d@amned if they don't on this website.

Still, it exposes the negative posters for what they are, small-mined, prejudiced, and bigoted towards anyone with less than they have.

It’s not that at all. We would all like to see people come off benefits and make a go of things. It just seems that almost every story we hear is people bleating because things are not going their way. Of course it’s wrong that the van was stolen, nobody is condoning that but why not just go to the paper with the stolen van story. By presumably looking for the sympathy vote, this woman has exposed herself to untold criticism from the hard working tax payer. She has stated quite clearly that she only bought the van as her benefits she had been claiming for 15 years would be cut. And again, without wishing to be judgmental as I don’t know her, why eight children if she can not support them without benefits. (I know everybody is entitled to child benefit before you jump on that one.) Finally, as a number of posters have already stated, how has she managed to save £2000 in three months. My partner, like somebody else has already said earns what we think is an above average wage, we have a modest semi, a ten year old car and get nowhere near that level of saving. So carry on posting your opinion that you are entitled like the rest of us without the name calling

stopmoaning1 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Unbelievable. Someone is doing the right thing, making the effort to support themselves and their family, and the right-wing loons are still having a go at them.

Seems the poor, the unemployed, the low-paid are d@mned if they do and d@amned if they don't on this website.

Still, it exposes the negative posters for what they are, small-mined, prejudiced, and bigoted towards anyone with less than they have.

It’s not that at all. We would all like to see people come off benefits and make a go of things. It just seems that almost every story we hear is people bleating because things are not going their way. Of course it’s wrong that the van was stolen, nobody is condoning that but why not just go to the paper with the stolen van story. By presumably looking for the sympathy vote, this woman has exposed herself to untold criticism from the hard working tax payer. She has stated quite clearly that she only bought the van as her benefits she had been claiming for 15 years would be cut. And again, without wishing to be judgmental as I don’t know her, why eight children if she can not support them without benefits. (I know everybody is entitled to child benefit before you jump on that one.) Finally, as a number of posters have already stated, how has she managed to save £2000 in three months. My partner, like somebody else has already said earns what we think is an above average wage, we have a modest semi, a ten year old car and get nowhere near that level of saving. So carry on posting your opinion that you are entitled like the rest of us without the name calling

well said

If she is entitled to the benefits wheres the problem? We are all entitled to some sort of benefit...ie walking around unmolested etc..should all benefits only be given by popular consensus?

another council tax payer wrote:

stopmoaning1 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote: Unbelievable. Someone is doing the right thing, making the effort to support themselves and their family, and the right-wing loons are still having a go at them. Seems the poor, the unemployed, the low-paid are d@mned if they do and d@amned if they don't on this website. Still, it exposes the negative posters for what they are, small-mined, prejudiced, and bigoted towards anyone with less than they have.

It’s not that at all. We would all like to see people come off benefits and make a go of things. It just seems that almost every story we hear is people bleating because things are not going their way. Of course it’s wrong that the van was stolen, nobody is condoning that but why not just go to the paper with the stolen van story. By presumably looking for the sympathy vote, this woman has exposed herself to untold criticism from the hard working tax payer. She has stated quite clearly that she only bought the van as her benefits she had been claiming for 15 years would be cut. And again, without wishing to be judgmental as I don’t know her, why eight children if she can not support them without benefits. (I know everybody is entitled to child benefit before you jump on that one.) Finally, as a number of posters have already stated, how has she managed to save £2000 in three months. My partner, like somebody else has already said earns what we think is an above average wage, we have a modest semi, a ten year old car and get nowhere near that level of saving. So carry on posting your opinion that you are entitled like the rest of us without the name calling

well said

But you don't know why she went to the paper - if at all. The Echo may have contacted her via the police, and during the interview conducted with her, it may have come up.

Journalists have clever ways of arranging a story to get more readers after all.

I remember a release I worked with once, from the AA, that stated that 42% of drivers who had been sent on speed reduction courses in the last 5 years had reduced their speed when driving. It was written to herald that they were working, that people were taking note, that it was all worthwhile...

I disregarded the rest of the press release, and wrote how the courses were failing as 58% of those who attended were still speeding.

All she might have said was ' I bought the van to start a business as I didn't want to stay on benefits' - reporter smells better story than ' burger van stolen' and goes for the kill.

Well I suppose we are sort of on the same track. My point in this and every other post is that people either speculate or simply impose their own views regardless of any facts. We can only comment on what has been written and not what we think the reporter may have been thinking for a particular slant.
As for the police releasing personal details of victims of crime to the press, I don’t think so, do you?

stopmoaning1 wrote:
Well I suppose we are sort of on the same track. My point in this and every other post is that people either speculate or simply impose their own views regardless of any facts. We can only comment on what has been written and not what we think the reporter may have been thinking for a particular slant.
As for the police releasing personal details of victims of crime to the press, I don’t think so, do you?

" As for the police releasing personal details of victims of crime to the press, I don’t think so, do you?"

They do, on a regular basis. Here's one example:

http://www.guardian.
co.uk/uk/2013/jan/10
/police-guilty-tryin
g-sell-information

It looks from the photo that it wasn't only the burger van that gone stolen - she is missing one child too!

Carnabackable wrote:
Hope she has declared to the benefits dept. her obvious healthy bank account.
I can see an investigation over this, afterall has she been working cash in hand, and claiming? I think so, which is one of the reasons the government, has drawn up these massive changes to the whole benefit issue..

You can have £6,000 in savings before your benefit begins to be affected - £10,000 is you are a pensioner.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

stopmoaning1 wrote:
Well I suppose we are sort of on the same track. My point in this and every other post is that people either speculate or simply impose their own views regardless of any facts. We can only comment on what has been written and not what we think the reporter may have been thinking for a particular slant.
As for the police releasing personal details of victims of crime to the press, I don’t think so, do you?

" As for the police releasing personal details of victims of crime to the press, I don’t think so, do you?"

They do, on a regular basis. Here's one example:

http://www.guardian.

co.uk/uk/2013/jan/10

/police-guilty-tryin

g-sell-information

Completely missed that point. THE police don’t release personal details of victims of crimes to the press. A SINGLE rogue police officer may and will be prosecuted as a result. And of course it is on such a regular basis that when it happens, it's national news.